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Discussion and research of the ancient Indus Valley Civilisation

2016.11.21 12:46 Panzersaurus Discussion and research of the ancient Indus Valley Civilisation

Discussion and research of the ancient Indus Valley Civilisation.
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2022.06.29 17:40 MohenjoDaro

Mohenjo-Daro: The largest city of the Indus Valley Civilisation
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2016.09.20 20:17 Krovahn Courtney Miller

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2024.05.17 19:13 raaqkel The Shaiva Sampradayas

A brief description of the Six Schools of Shaivism.
Note: this is a highly condensed list that does not fully delve into the nuances. Only the most popular schools have been mentioned, but really the ways to follow Maha Shiva are infinite. The list is also arranged arbitrarily and not chronologically.

1) Pashupata -

Probably the oldest sect. Traces of worship found in the archealogical remains of the Indus Valley Civilization. Originally pluralistic, later given a qualified monistic direction by Lakulisa. Divided eventually into the Kapalika and Kalamukha subsects. No active proponents.
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2) Pratyabhigya -

Famous as Kashmir Shaivism or the Trika. Based on the Shiva Sutras of Vasugupta, Tantraloka of Abhinavagupta and the Spandakarikas. Last famous guru was Sri Lakshman Joo. Sri Ravishankar (Art of Living) and Prof. Timalsina (Vimarsha Foundation) have famous online lecture series on this school. It is Pure Monism.
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3) Shivadvaita -

Founded by Shrikanta who wrote a Bhashya on the Brahmasutras parallely around the time of Ramanuja. It had a qualified non-dualistic position. This was pushed closer towards monism by Appayyar Dikshitar who wrote a subcommentary on Shrikanta's commentary and is also responsible for the popularity of the subsect.
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4) Veerashaiva -

A) Panchapeeta Tradition
Founded by Five Acharyas who established Mutts in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Kedar, Kashi and Ujjain. The foundational work is Siddhanta Shikamani. Bears allegiance to the Upanishads and is theistically monistic. Recognises itself with Hinduism strongly and has a deep temple culture.
B) Lingayata Tradition
Founded by Basavanna who was inspired by Veerashaiva Siddhanta ideas. Rejects allegiance to the Vedas and opposed Casteism. Based on poetic compositions of Basavanna and Allama Prabhu. Deeksha linga worship is considered superior to temple worship. A new political movement wants to seperate itself from Hinduism. Considered Special Monism (Vishesha Advaita).
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5) Natha -

A) Nandinatha Sampradaya -
It is the theistically monistic "Tirumular Shaiva Siddhanta" which is based on Thirumanthiram composed by the founder. Famous proponent is the Kauai's Hindu Monastery.
They trace their roots to Nandikeshvara who is believed to be the grand preceptor of Rishi Patanjali. Sivayasubramaniyaswami is credited for its formalization.
B) Matsyendranatha Sampradaya -
Siddha Tradition: founded by Yogi Gorakhnath and is based on the Hatha Yoga Pradipika and Gheranda Samhita. Lays emphasis on practice through physical methods. Popular in UP and Karnataka. Philosophically places itself as theistic non-dualism.
Kaula Tradition: is a hybrid of Shaiva and Shakta practices. Centred around Kamakya Temple. Includes some Kapalika practises and often embraces the crossing of social taboos surrounding blood and eroticism. Philosophically approximate to Trika System.
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6) Siddhanta -

The earliest known exponent of this school is Sri Sadyojyoti of Kashmir. In the early centuries of the second millenium CE it flourished throughout India. It is a dualistic school that reveres both the Agamas and the Nigamas. They emphasise on charya and kriya (conduct and rituals). Tamil Meykandar Sampradaya is a later development of the teaching of this school and of the Nayanars.
Om Namah Shivaya 🙏
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2024.05.10 09:34 Prashant-12345 Was homosexuality permitted in India before the British came

There is no relation between British rule and shunning of homosexuality by the societies in the countries ruled by them.
Homosexuality was never accepted as a normal human behaviour anywhere on earth till late 20th century and was always considered as a mental disease and a perversion by all the communities in the world. Medical science labelled homosexuality as a normal counterpart of heterosexuality only in 1970's. Thereafter, northern Europe was the first to accept it as normal. Denmark was the first country in the world to grant legal recognition to same-sex unions in the form of registered partnerships in 1989. Thereafter Norway, Sweden, Iceland made such partnership laws. The Netherlands was the first country to not only make this law but also call it as marriage law instead of partnership law in 2001.
We blame British for IPC-377 and claim that homosexuality was accepted in India before they made this law ("Same-Sex Love in India" by Ruth Vanita and Saleem Kidwai). But this is completely wrong. IPC was introduced in India in 1860. Before that during the British rule (which started in 1785) and during the Mughal era (1526 onwards), we cannot cite even a single incidence in which two men or two women married together and lived openly in India with the permission of the society. Any such incidence cannot be cited even before that under the Maurya Empire, Gupta Empire, Delhi Sultanate, Vijayanagara Empire, Maratha Empire etc. Actually, no such incidence is present since Indus Valley Civilization.
So, what the British did? They simply wrote in legal terms what was already the practice in India (and throughout the world). Homosexuality was always completely unacceptable in India and considered as a shameful practice. The British only wrote it in black and white. If today I make a law that no meat shops will be allowed in city areas mainly inhabited by Jains or if I make a law that selling cigarettes to Sikhs will be a punishable offence, will such laws have any meaning?
There is nothing against female homosexuality (lesbianism) in IPC-377. Why? Because in the time of Lord Macaulay (who drafted IPC), the existence of lesbians was not even known. Otherwise, it would also have been prohibited in IPC-377. Do we want to say that the British only wanted to forbid male homosexuality and not female homosexuality? How can there be acceptability of female homosexuality in India when it was not even known?
If gay marriages or even same-sex live-in-relationships were allowed in India before the British came, wouldn't Indians have protested against IPC-377? Indians had violently protested against the British when they banned Sati Pratha in 1829. On the contrary, there was no reaction by Indians against IPC-377 since it was just a written rule on what already prevailed in India.
From 1860 to 2018 when India repealed IPC-377, i.e., in 158 years, it was rarely used in India to punish anybody. And whenever it has been used, it was in a case of rape in which a man had tried to force himself on another man/boy. A few other occasions when it came into force were the cases of intimate activity between two men in a public place. It was never used in any case of consensual physical activity between two men in a private place. Had homosexuality been socially accepted in India, there would have been many cases of violation of IPC-377 and many men would have been punished under it.
Eastern world historically has been having many more social evils than the western. India had, and probably still has, many more social evils than Britain. The British had been trying to abolish Sati, child marriage, female infanticide etc. from India. Under such a scenario, imagining that India did not have a social evil which Britain had, does not make any sense. If that would have been true, why today Britain has full acceptability of homosexuality and has already made Same-sex Civil Partnership Act in 2005 (and SSML in 2013) whereas homosexuality is completely shunned in India and any such law is a far cry for it even after about 20 years of Britain doing so. Do we want to say that they changed our minds by this law in such a way that we became even more rigid against homosexuality than them while they themselves started accepting it? Ridiculous.
Basic human nature and customs cannot be changed just by making a law. Delhi High Court repealed IPC-377 in 2009. Has anything changed since then in last 15 years? Nothing. Today if India makes SSML, how many gay people will come out of their closet and marry? Almost none. Can you form an opinion against heterosexuality by making a law against it?
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2024.05.09 13:47 goodtools Indian History Homework Help: Essay For All

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2024.05.06 03:35 JohannGoethe Hebrew Sarai was dry or barren 🏜️ until age 90; Hindu Sarasvati river dried up; Nile river was dry until the letter Q, value: 90?

Hebrew Sarai was dry or barren 🏜️ until age 90; Hindu Sarasvati river dried up; Nile river was dry until the letter Q, value: 90?
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Hindu mythology
From video short post here:
“The existence of Saraswati river debunks Arian invasion theory.”
Wikipedia entry:
Later Vedic texts such as the Tandya Brahmana and the Jaiminiya Brahmana, as well as the Mahabharata, mention that the Sarasvati dried up in a desert 🏜️.
Map of Sarasvati (Sarah) and GHaggar (Hagar) river in India:
https://preview.redd.it/5w2w67sxjpyc1.jpg?width=1554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c960a2fd87e941a5b09f54ce24c9e4495438e3c7
In the Egyptian version, Ra [letter R], value: 100, rides through Hathor (Hagar): 𓁥, 𓃖, the Milky Way 🐄 star cow, each night and has to fight the 7th gate solar snake 🐍 [letter S], wherein the Milky Way was believed to be a mirror of the Nile river in space. This gives the alphabetic -RS- letter sequence.
Hebrew mythology
This matches with Hebrew mythology (Genesis 11:30):
Now Abram's wife Sarai had [was barren 🏜️] borne him no children, until age 90, but she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar.
Egyptian mythology
Both of these match with the original Egyptian model, which shows that the annual 150-day Nile flood starts at letter N, when Sirius rises, and was believed to re-kindle the power of the sun, such that the summer ☀️ sun heat 🥵 peaks in temperature when the flood levels reach their peak, where letter Q, value: 90, symbol: baboon 𓃻, who greets the newly rising sun each morning, at sun-birth, holding the solar eye:
https://preview.redd.it/zlxivgqqqpyc1.jpg?width=1435&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=115c7102b76336ef754e56123b6ec678e6dcf413
This gives the alphabetic -PQRS- letter sequence, with the snake or letter s: 🐍 = 𓆙 = Σ = S being implicit in the sun disk, or something along these lines.
The letter Q being located at the 90-value letter spot, the same age as when Sarah becomes fertile at age: 90, therein allowing Ra or the letter R sun 🌞, value: 100, who nightly has to battle the letter S snake 🐍, to conceive the new 1000-value Horus sun child
https://preview.redd.it/vvu1ze6skpyc1.jpg?width=2098&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40edb414492fcf5012e758cf7cb3aa896aa91557
Another version here:
https://preview.redd.it/d5ajb0grnpyc1.jpg?width=1790&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f32c25dd3979d441e4a26445a3a137ad2596da0a
Another version here, showing how Horus is birthed from Ra or letter R:
https://preview.redd.it/wu0a4u9tnpyc1.jpg?width=1283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96f8ca5465a12be67f279f289dd9591b37e6dcff
From which we get the myth of Brahma-Saraswati, Brahma dying at age 100, and Abraham-Sarah wife parings, Abraham fathering at age 100.
This matches with the premise that Sesostris, aka the Egyptians, in their world domination, between the time shortly before or after Khufu pyramid (4500A/-2545) to about 3000A (-1045), conquered both Phoenician, therein planting the 22-type LunarScript based Hebrew mythology to the Phoenicians who became Jews, and grew Judaism as there new religion, and the Indians, who were forcefully taught the 14-type lunar script to the Indians, who developed Hinduism, as their new religion.
Accordingly, there was no PIEland Aryan invasion, but the Indians were conquered and ruled, like the Phoenicians-turned-Jews were, by the Egyptians, for many centuries, wherein the Old Indus valley script was replaced with Egypto lunar script, which coded the new Egypto-themed religion for the society.
References
  • Valdiya, K.S. (A47/2002). Saraswati: The River that Disappeared. University Press.
  • Valdiya, K.S. (A47/2018). Prehistoric River Saraswati, Western India: Geological Appraisal and Social Aspects. Springer.
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2024.05.04 16:46 Zealousideal_Dot_243 Is it too late?(The post is a long read, you have been warned!)

Hello folks, hope your prep is going well. Though the same can't be said bout me. The CUET is as teachers would have put it "literally knocking on the door" and here I am, as unprepared as I could ever be. Now I wouldn't have been all that worried if I had studied allat in 12th but thats not the case cuz my school followed a different board. I had a lot of time but choose to waste it I suppose. So now here we are. I come looking for suggestion. Like which chapters do I need to pay more attention in, and is 14 days enough for me to get somewhat prepared (subjects exam is on 18th).
The subjects I have selected are: 1. English 2. History 3. Polity 4. Sociology
I'm less worried about English, Polity and Sociology compared to History cuz the History syllabus has the chapters revolving round The Indus valley civilisation, foreigners' accounts. This are topics I have touched back in 10th when I was a cbse student still. Thats about it. Awaiting you guy's response.
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2024.05.04 12:13 Prashant-12345 Was homosexuality permitted in India before the British came

There is no relation between British rule and shunning of homosexuality by the societies in the countries ruled by them.
Homosexuality was never accepted as a normal human behaviour anywhere on earth till late 20th century and was always considered as a mental disease and a perversion by all the communities in the world. Medical science labelled homosexuality as a normal counterpart of heterosexuality only in 1970's. Thereafter, northern Europe was the first to accept it as normal. Denmark was the first country in the world to grant legal recognition to same-sex unions in the form of registered partnerships in 1989. Thereafter Norway, Sweden, Iceland made such partnership laws. The Netherlands was the first country to not only make this law but also call it as marriage law instead of partnership law in 2001.
We blame British for IPC-377 and claim that homosexuality was accepted in India before they made this law ("Same-Sex Love in India" by Ruth Vanita and Saleem Kidwai). But this is completely wrong. IPC was introduced in India in 1860. Before that during the British rule (which started in 1785) and during the Mughal era (1526 onwards), we cannot cite even a single incidence in which two men or two women married together and lived openly in India with the permission of the society. Any such incidence cannot be cited even before that under the Maurya Empire, Gupta Empire, Delhi Sultanate, Vijayanagara Empire, Maratha Empire etc. Actually, no such incidence is present since Indus Valley Civilization.
So, what the British did? They simply wrote in legal terms what was already the practice in India (and throughout the world). Homosexuality was always completely unacceptable in India and considered as a shameful practice. The British only wrote it in black and white. If today I make a law that no meat shops will be allowed in city areas mainly inhabited by Jains or if I make a law that selling cigarettes to Sikhs will be a punishable offence, will such laws have any meaning?
There is nothing against female homosexuality (lesbianism) in IPC-377. Why? Because in the time of Lord Macaulay (who drafted IPC), the existence of lesbians was not even known. Otherwise, it would also have been prohibited in IPC-377. Do we want to say that the British only wanted to forbid male homosexuality and not female homosexuality?
If gay marriages or even same-sex live-in-relationships were allowed in India before the British came, wouldn't Indians have protested against IPC-377? Indians had violently protested against the British when they banned Sati Pratha in 1829. There was no reaction by the Indians against IPC-377 since it was just a written rule on what already prevailed in India.
Eastern world historically has been having many more social evils than the western. India had, and probably still has, many more social evils than Britain. The British had been trying to abolish Sati, child marriage, female infanticide etc. from India. Under such a scenario, imagining that India did not have a social evil which Britain had, does not make any sense.
Basic human nature and customs cannot be changed just by making a law. Delhi High Court repealed IPC-377 in 2009. Has anything changed since then in last 15 years? Nothing. Today if India makes SSML, how many gay people will come out of their closet and marry? Almost none. Can you ban heterosexuality by making a law against it?
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2024.04.27 16:54 ElderberryFlimsy4453 Most factually correct paki

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2024.04.20 20:38 raaqkel The Shaiva Schools

A brief description of the five schools of Shaivism.

1) Pashupata -

Probably the oldest sect. Traces of worship found in the archealogical remains of the Indus Valley Civilization. Originally pluralistic, later given a qualified monistic direction by Lakulisa. Divided eventually into the Kapalika and Kalamukha subsects. No active proponents.

2) Pratyabhigya -

Famous as Kashmir Shaivism or the Trika. Based on the Shiva Sutras of Vasugupta, Tantraloka of Abhinavagupta and the Spandakarikas. Last famous guru was Sri Lakshman Joo. Sri Ravishankar (Art of Living) and Prof. Timalsina (Vimarsha Foundation) have famous online lecture series on this school. It is Pure Monism.

3) Shivadvaita -

Founded by Shrikanta who wrote a Bhashya on the Brahmasutras parallely around the time of Ramanuja. It had a qualified non-dualistic position. This was pushed closer towards monism by Appayyar Dikshitar who wrote a subcommentary on Shrikanta's commentary and is also responsible for the popularity of the subsect.

4) Veerashaiva -

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A) Siddhanta Tradition
Founded by Five Acharyas who established Mutts in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Kedar, Kashi and Ujjain. The foundational work is Siddhanta Shikamani. Bears allegiance to the Upanishads and is theistically monistic. Recognises itself with Hinduism strongly and has a deep temple culture.
B) Lingayata Tradition
Founded by Basavanna who was inspired by Veerashaiva Siddhanta ideas. Rejects allegiance to the Vedas and opposed Casteism. Based on poetic compositions of Basavanna and Allama Prabhu. Deeksha linga worship is considered superior to temple worship. A new political movement wants to seperate itself from Hinduism. Considered Special Monism (Vishesha Advaita).

5) Natha -

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A) Nandinatha Sampradaya -
Has two subschools.
One is the theistically monistic "Tirumular Shaiva Siddhanta" which is based on Thirumanthiram composed by the founder. Famous proponent is the Kauai's Hindu Monastery.
The other is the pluralistic "Meykandar Shaiva Siddhanta" which runs several temples in Tamil Nadu. It is founded on the work Shiva Jnana Bodham.
B) Matsyendranatha Sampradaya -
Siddha Tradition: founded by Yogi Gorakhnath and is based on the Hatha Yoga Pradipika and Gheranda Samhita. Lays emphasis on practice through physical methods. Popular in UP and Karnataka. Philosophical places itself as theistic non-dualism.
Kaula Tradition: is a hybrid of Shaiva and Shakta practices. Centred around Kamakya Temple. Includes some Kapalika practises and often embraces the crossing of social taboos surrounding blood and eroticism. Philosophically approximate to Trika System.
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2024.04.20 19:04 RightBranch Some questions from a Pakistani.

Do not get angry, but i've noticed some things on social media, that are so weird, and really want answers, and i know not all people do this, and i shouldn't generalise, so here are the questions.
Why are Indians always in videos related to Pakistan to bash on it?
Why don't Indians let us claim our history of before we became Muslim?
Why do Indians keep on saying that we are converted, converted, and that we betrayed our religion, so we don't even have the permission to choose our religion?
I saw a video showing the countries where they showed us the all the countries that claimed they are the oldest civilisation, and there was pakistan in there, there was so much hate from indians, that i cannot believe it.
Why do Indians think that India is older than Pakistan, and it existed way before it?
The Indus Valley Civlisation majority is literally is in Pakistan, so isn't our right to claim that we are one of the oldest civilisations?
here are just some of the questions, pls do not get angry, these are just some of the things i've noticed, and im really curious to know there answers.
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2024.04.19 18:26 floofyvulture We are better Persians than Iranians. Bharat is Persia nadu, not hindu rashtra..

I don't care about history but think about it like this.
The connection between Dravidians and Harppan civilization. The oldest Indian civilization having Neo-lithic Iranian genetics.
The origins of the Dravidians are a "very complex subject of research and debate".[10] They are regarded as indigenous to the Indian subcontinent,[11][12][13] but may have deeper pre-Neolithic roots from Western Asia, specifically from the Iranian plateau.[14][15][16][17][18] Their origins are often viewed as being connected with the Indus Valley civilisation,[10][18][19] hence people and language spread east and southwards after the demise of the Indus Valley Civilisation in the early second millennium BCE,[20][21] some propose not long before the arrival of Indo-Aryan speakers,[22] with whom they intensively interacted.
Cultures of pashupati, shiva were already in Bharat in these times.
So Before Aryan migration, we were already Aryan (Iranian).
Aryan means Persian, and the Aryans brought with them earliest known cases of Vedic Hinduism. So Vedic hinduism is Persian.
Turbans, girls wearing only skirt and blouse, snakes, krishna (the true Sinbad) etc... all bharat
In Bharat, the most populous language is Hindi, which is a combination of Persian and Sanskrit. So Aryan with Aryan. In fact Hindi resembles very much like urdu, which is Persian inspired.
Bharat's best food is objectively biriyani which is a mughalai cuisine.
Zoroastrianism only survives in Bharat.
Djinn, prince of Persia, gods and asuras, sexy brown navelly linked women, associated with middle East are literally all destroyed by orthrodox Islam. Which means, we're now the closest inheritors to such things.
Persia is hot? No Persia is actually very green near regions next to Tehran. With temperate green broadleaf forests. Yknoww what climate is burning hot? The Bharatiyan one.
Persia, modern day Iran is currently under a dictatorship. Meaning their civilization is heavily islamized. Therefore we can steal their thunder and become the TRUE PERSIA.
And you might be thinking. Oh but what about the original original people of this land.. well where do you think we all came from buster? Africa right? Meaning they must have passed Iran to get to Bharat.
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2024.04.17 16:25 Akashagangadhar Why does Aryans being from Punjab instead of Central Asia even make a difference?

Indigenous Aryan theory suggests they’re native to India but what part of India?
Punjab (region) would be the most logical as that’s where the Vedas were authored, where Mahabharat happened and where most of the Indus Valley Civilisation was.
If Central Asians are foreigners for Punjabis then wouldn’t Punjabis be foreigners to ancient South India and East Indians?
Especially to the Dravidian, Tribal and Tibetan populations.
Amritsar to Dushanbe, Tajikistan, is about 900km.
Amritsar to Ayodhya is also 900km
Amritsar to Assam, the easternmost Indo-Aryan state is about 1600km.
Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and even Kazakhstan are all less than 1600km away.
To Goa, southernmost mainland Indo Aryan state is about 1750km.
To Oman and UAE is about 1800km.
Russia is about 2300km.
Sri Lanka, the furthest Indo-Aryan region, (excluding modern migrations) is 2600km.
About the same as Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iraq or Thailand are from Amritsar.
So what difference does it make?
How did Northwest Indians spread their language and religion throughout India?
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2024.04.17 12:20 geopolicraticus Leonard Woolley on Digging Up the Past

Leonard Woolley

17 April 1880 – 20 February 1960
Leonard Woolley on Digging Up the Past
Part of a Series on the Philosophy of History
Wednesday 17 April 2024 is the 144th anniversary of the birth of Sir Charles Leonard Woolley, better known to posterity as C. Leonard Woolley (17 April 1880 – 20 February 1960), who was born on the outskirts of London on this day in 1880.
Last year I traveled to Philadelphia for a conference, but I had an ulterior motive for going to Philadelphia, which was to visit the Penn Museum. The Penn Museum has an incredible collection covering early civilizations, with exhibits from all over the world. I especially enjoyed the Egyptian, Etruscan, and Mesoamerican collections, but I went there for the Sumerian collection. I had learned that the University of Pennsylvania Museum and the British Museum had together been the sponsors for the excavations at Ur. I wanted to see the “Ram in a Thicket,” two of which were found at Ur, with one now in the British Museum and one in the Penn Museum.
One hundred years ago it was an exciting time in archaeology. The roaring twenties saw Howard Carter opening the tomb of Tutankhamen in 1923, Arthur Evans excavating Knossos from 1922 to 1930, the first excavations of the Indus Valley civilization sites at Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro, and Leonard Woolley starting the excavation at Ur in 1922, with the Royal Tombs of Ur being excavated in 1926-1927.
Woolley had experience at several digs prior to Ur, including working at Carchemish with T. E. Lawrence, later Lawrence of Arabia, who was eight years his junior. Though experienced in contemporary archaeological techniques, Woolley was frequently making it up as he went. There was little established in the way of best practices for archaeology, and the technology was rudimentary. Nevertheless, Woolley clearly understood the fundamental archaeological imperative:
“In its essence Field Archaeology is the application of scientific method to the excavation of ancient objects, and it is based on the theory that the historical value of an object depends not so much on the nature of the object itself as on its associations, which only scientific excavation can detect.”
I suspect any archaeologist today would endorse this succinct formulation. Further, Woolley had good instincts for getting artifacts out of the ground in as intact a condition as was possible. The recovery of the artifacts from the Royal Tombs of Ur was a sensation, and if you visit the Penn museum or the British Museum you can see for yourself why that was. Woolley’s good judgment is largely responsible for the artifacts we can see today in these museums. All of this archaeological work in the 1920s led to the earliest period of human history being re-written.
Because of archaeology, our knowledge of the past is increasing, and the historical knowledge derived from archaeology is the raw material for both historians and philosophers of history. And it wasn’t only our conception of the material culture of the distant past that was changed. The finds at Ur put ancient religion and mythology in a new light. The apparent ritual burial at the Royal Tombs of Ur is the kind of thing that makes you stop and think; it is a rare glimpse of the pageantry of ancient life. The ritual in which the bodies were interred would have been spectacular, not only for all the treasure that was buried with the bodies, but also for the sacrifices involved.
We don’t know if the many bodies found in what came to be called the “death pit” at Ur were killed away from the site, and then brought there and arranged in the tomb, or if they were killed on the site where they lay. And we don’t know how exactly those in the death pit were killed. The current view is that they probably were given some kind of drug and then dispatched with a blow to the back of the head. However, the remains are in such a condition that we cannot know for certain, as Woolley noted during the excavation. For all we know, the interment ritual might have been a bloody and horrific scene of sacrifice and screaming. In what kind of society will almost a hundred servants be put to death to join their lord in the afterlife? Did they join in the funerary ritual voluntarily, or were they coerced? Woolley’s excavations forced these questions on us, and so changed our conception of prehistory in many ways. For example, mythology scholar Joseph Campbell often referenced the Royal Tombs of Ur in his lectures, almost quoting Woolley’s reports verbatim.
Archaeology has probably done more to expand knowledge of the human past than any other discipline in recent times, though archaeology has been called one of the auxiliary sciences of history. Wikipedia lists twenty-three auxiliary sciences of history, also known as the ancillary sciences of history. That’s a lot, but it’s not an exhaustive list. Here’s a list of auxiliary sciences of history, based on Wikipedia’s list with some additions:
Anthropology – The study of human beings
Archaeology – The study of human activity through the recovery and analysis of material culture
Archaeography – The study of ancient (historical) documents (antique writings)
Archival science – The study and theory of creating and maintaining archives
Campanology – The study of bells
Chorography – The study of regions and places
Chronology – The study of the sequence of past events
Cliometrics – The systematic application of economic theory, econometric techniques, and other formal or mathematical methods to the study of history
Codicology – The study of books as physical objects
Diplomatics – The study and textual analysis of historical documents
Encyclopaedistics – The study of encyclopaedias as sources of encyclopaedic knowledge
Epigraphy – The study of ancient inscriptions
Folkloristics – The study of folklore
Genealogy – The study of family relationships
Geography (or historical geography) – The use of the principles and methods of geology to reconstruct geological history
Heraldry – The study of armorial devices
Mythography – The study of myths
Numismatics – The study of coins
Onomastics – The study of proper names
Paleobotany – The recovery and identification of plant remains in their archaeological context
Palaeography – The study of old handwriting
Paleoanthropology – The study of human evolution and ecology through the fossil record
Palynology – The study of pollen grains and spores
Papyrology – The study of ancient manuscripts preserved on portable media
Phaleristics – The study of military orders, fraternities, and award items
Philately – The study of postage stamps
Philology – The study of the language of historical sources
Prosopography – The investigation of a historical group of individuals through a collective study of their lives
Radiometric dating – The use of nuclear science to date historical objects
Sigillography (or sphragistics) – The study of seals
Sociology (or historical sociology) – The study of society
Toponymy – The study of place names
Vexillology – The study of flags
The more sciences we add to the list of the auxiliary sciences of history, the more we see that there is no clear line between the history and the remainder of the sciences. Woolley himself wrote:
“Between archaeology and history there is no fenced frontier, and the digger who will best observe and record his discoveries is precisely he who sees them as historical material and rightly appraises them: if he has not the power of synthesis and interpretation he has mistaken his calling.”
The elaboration of the detailed technique of archaeology has itself created many auxiliary sciences, including palynology, paleobotony, and radiometric dating techniques, which are at the intersection of natural science and archaeology. Archaeology has become much more than an auxiliary science of history, being itself generative of further sciences and being the source of creative thought about history. Most contemporary theories of the origins civilization are the work of archaeologists.
Given that archaeologists are professionally dedicated to the excavation of the material culture of the past, it should be no surprise than many of them endorsed historical materialism in one form or another. V. Gordon Childe was a noted archaeologist—he’s even mentioned in one of the Indiana Jones films—working from a Marxist perspective, though it remains pretty subtle in his books. Woolley explicitly addressed the Marxism of many of his colleagues. At the end of Chapter III in his The Beginnings of Civilization, Woolley appends a note in which he contrasts what he calls a kaleidoscopic view of change, in which, “…human history is no more than a kaleidoscopic change of whimsical patterns with no inner consistency and no principle in their development.” He contrasts this to the Marxist view of an orderly succession of stages of development. Woolley wrote:
“Since the whole purpose of this book is to trace man's progress it obviously does not regard history as a ‘kaleidoscopic change of whimsical patterns’; but none the less do I find it impossible to fit the stages of progress in general to the Procrustean bed of what my Marxist friends term ‘the law of social development’. In my view ‘the different local varieties following from the specific conditions of times and place’ rule out any such conformity. Were the historical facts grouped according to a theory of the successive development of primitive communal and slave-holding structures of society those facts might be more easily grasped, but the history would be misrepresented.”
This was a time in British intellectual life in which the British scientific Marxists were highly influential, so when Woolley mentions his “Marxist friends” we need to take him at this word. I’ve previously discussed this in my episode on Christopher Hill. Woolley, then, wasn’t interested in a doctrinaire Marxism; I doubt he would have endorsed any particular philosophy of history, though Woolley’s work also coincided with Collingwood’s attempt to formulate what we might call the first indigenous English philosophy of history. In Creating Prehistory: Druids, Ley Hunters and Archaeologists in Pre-War Britain, Adam Stout writes of Collingwood’s role in the development of archaeology:
“…awareness of the questioner’s ‘positionality’ put Collingwood decades ahead of his contemporaries, and freed him up to ask some uncomfortable questions about the nature of the past itself. The ‘first principle’ of the philosophy of history was the idea that ‘the past which an historian studies is not a dead past, but a past which in some sense is still living in the present’. It is called into being by ‘disentangling it out of the present in which it actually exists’; and elsewhere, ‘the past simply as past is wholly unknowable . . . it is the past as residually preserved in the present that is alone knowable’.” (p. 237)
Collingwood himself was an archaeologist, a “Romanist” as Stout puts it, while Woolley was unearthing a much deeper past, which, arguably, could also be said to lead to uncomfortable questions about the relationship of the present to the past, as with the meaning of the death it at Ur. Woolley, like Collingwood, was acutely aware of the role of the archaeologist in constructing history; we might even say he was aware of the positionality of the archaeologist and how this positionality contributes to a unique view of the reconstruction of history. In Digging Up the Past Woolley wrote:
“As his work in the field goes on, the excavator is constantly subject to impressions too subjective and too intangible to be communicated, and out of these, by no exact logical process, there arise theories which he can state, can perhaps support, but cannot prove: their truth will depend ultimately on his own calibre, but, in any case, they have their value as summing up experiences which no student of his objects and his notes can ever share. Granted that the excavator is adequate to his task, the conclusions which he draws from his own work ought to carry weight, and he is bound to put them forward…”
Since Woolley’s time, many archaeologists have put forward their conclusions, and these conclusions increasingly shape our knowledge and understanding of the past.

Video Presentation

https://youtu.be/kulAHTnt_8E
https://www.instagram.com/p/C52uM0ANSbz/
https://odysee.com/@Geopolicraticus:7/leonard-woolley-on-digging-up-the-past:d

Podcast Edition

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/nick-nielsen94/episodes/Leonard-Woolley-on-Digging-Up-the-Past-e2igon7
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2024.04.16 17:08 Snoo_2304 Maybe they should go to India, or Iraq next time as the actual origin of some symbols.

Everyone is familiar with the over representation of the cross and four dots, however... just because one culture used it does not rule out others.
Let's begin.
** The cross of Taxila
The cross of Taxila is often accompanied with four dots. This cross was the official symbol of the famous main Buddhist capital of learning: Taxila. Taxila had a kind of university center as long back as 700 BC, but from around 250 BC Asoka made it the spiritual capital of his Buddhist mission.
https://www.ancientbead.com/IndusBuddhistCulture.html
This symbol is one of the most commen patterns on etched beads from the classical period.
However, this cross was initially not a Buddhist symbol. Not even the cross with the four dots originated from Buddhism. It was an Indus Valley symbol. Displayed below is an Indus seal with excatcly the same cross with four dots:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilisation
Or.. maybe it's actually the Serbian cross?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_cross
** The Assyrian tree of life
Which is actually represented by a series of nodes and crisscrossing lines originally came from Mesopotamia, now Iraq.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life
** The Egyptian Ankh
Or in later years the Latin cross, or Nordic Scandinavian Cross, or as the show wants to call it, Nolans Cross..
Just so much wrong from this show.. and too many regarding it as gospel fact. An undertone of humor to anyone whos studied the history of man made religions, as virtually every story from the Bible came from the Mesopotamian, or better known as the Assyro-Babylonian religion.
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2024.04.14 17:33 eyeball91 Eracraft [SMP] [Semi-Vanilla] {Whitelist}

Eracraft is a themed SMP! We wanted to create a brand new community and a brand new concept! One where players are able to write their stories through time! We’ve got some quality of life changes so we’re semi-vanilla. Come and join us! We try and get server events happening every week.. We launched on March 1st and we are currently in our medieval era!
Discord Link: https://discord.gg/gnSSFaZYEz
Concept:
Seasons will be 8 months minimum! The season will be split into 7 eras. With some sub-eras! These eras are a general theme for builds and player interactions. Eras will progress and change over IRL time! Every Era has a certain length of time IRL. Depending on the Era, some last longer than others. Write your story through history!!
Due to the nature of the server being a themed SMP, the server will be completely survival for all players. Instead of there being separate worlds for resources and such, everything will be in one world.
The map will expand with every "Era" the server passed through. The dynmap will only expand to cover a place when a player has explored it. In the first Era, the pre-historic Era, the map will be limited to 1,500x1,500. The dynmap will automatically cover the initial pre-historic Era. But for areas to appear on the map after.. they must be explored by players! The initial starting region is essentially the main island on the map.
Timeline:
  1. Prehistoric Era (5 days):This era spans from the emergence of Homo sapiens around 300,000 years ago to the development of writing systems around 5,000 years ago. It includes the Stone Age, Bronze Age, and Iron Age, characterized by early human development, toolmaking, and the transition to settled societies.
  2. Ancient Era(14 days):Beginning with the development of writing systems around 5,000 years ago, this period encompasses the rise and fall of ancient civilizations such as Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, Rome, and the Indus Valley civilizations. It extends until the fall of the Western Roman Empire in 476 CE.
  3. Medieval Era(4 weeks): Following the fall of the Western Roman Empire, this era includes the Middle Ages, characterized by feudalism, the rise of Christianity, the Byzantine Empire, the Islamic Golden Age, and the Crusades. It spans roughly from 476 CE to 1453 CE, marking the fall of Constantinople.
  4. Early Modern Era(5 weeks month)This era begins with the Renaissance in Europe, marking a period of cultural, intellectual, and artistic rebirth. It encompasses the Age of Discovery, the Protestant Reformation, the Scientific Revolution, and the beginnings of globalization. This period lasts from roughly 1453 CE to the late 18th century.
    Sub Era: Steampunk (Last 3 weeks of the Era)
  5. Modern Era(7 weeks):The modern era includes the Industrial Revolution, the French and American Revolutions, the rise of imperialism, nationalism, and the spread of democracy. It extends from the late 18th century to the end of World War I in 1918.
  6. 20th Century(8 weeks)This period covers the tumultuous events of the 20th century, including World War II, the Cold War, decolonization, technological advancements, and significant social and cultural changes. It spans from 1918 to the late stages of the 20th century in the 1960s.
  7. Contemporary Era(5 weeks):This era begins in 1970. Space exploration and the 21st and continues to the present day, marked by globalization, rapid technological advancements, environmental challenges, political shifts, and ongoing social changes.
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2024.04.14 12:41 Good-Attention-7129 Ur Kasdim is in the Western Himalayas not Mesopotamia Part II

In my previous post about this topic (link below) I explained how the 4.2ky event scientifically documented as historical could correlate with the Genesis description of a migration of Abraham's forefathers towards the Indus Valley between 2200BC and 1900BC, starting with Peleg "when the Earth was divided".
I then determined that, if the location of Ur Kasdim was indeed in this location, then Ur Kasdim could be a combination of Sumerian, Sanskrit, and Hebrew, a hypothesis that the word itself portrays the movement from Mesopotamia to the Indus Valley by a Semetic people, and describe what would then translate as "The Land of the Khas people". I will add that, while I say Sanskrit, the word itself could be of a different origin, however the point to make is that it is foreign to Hebrew.
The main argument of this post is to discuss why the current consensus that Ur Kasdim is or describes Chaldean Babylon is not supported in the scriptures, with thanks to u/arachnophilia for engaging with me in discussion and providing sources.

Ur Kasdim or Kasdim Ur? - Whilst kasdim occurs 80 times in the the Hebrew texts, the words "Ur Kasdim" occur only 4 times, 3 in Genesis and once in Nehemiah. In all 4 occurrences the word Kasdim follows Ur as מֵא֣וּר כַּשְׂדִּ֗ים.
It is my belief that a more correct translation to English could read Kasdim-ur, by using "ur" as a loan word meaning "land or place of", rather than the place name Ur. I would appreciate any comments from experts in Hebrew to support whether such a reading could be the case.
When looking at a map of the Indian subcontinent, the suffix "ur" is extremely common, with place names stretching from present day Pakistan down along the western coast of India and into northern Sri Lanka. It is known that the Sumerians and Indus Valley Civilisation had trade and potentially linguistic connections, given how the Indus Valley script cuneiform bear some resemblence and relationship with Sumerian cuneiform (reference below).

The Chaldeans/Kasdim - Taking Ur out of consideration, the remaining 76 occurrences of kasdim within the scripture refer to the Chaldeans as a people or Chaldea as a place. The argument put forward for the current understanding is that, since the verses containing kasdim describe a location or connection to Babylon or Babylonians, Ur Kasdim is therefore also Babylon/Ur.
I believe this is the best/worst example of a confirmation bias mixed with anachronism, by neglecting first that the Chaldeans were foreigners in Mesopotamia, and second ignoring the question of where they came from before they we "famous".
I am not disputing kasdim are the Chaldeans, or that the land of the Chaldeans, or Kasdimah, could then be considered "neo-Babylon", as described in the scriptures of Isaiah and Jeremiah, but that it remains separate from Ur Kasdim/Kasdim-ur, the land of Abram's nativity (Genesis 11:28) and the same place that God brings Abram out of (Neremiah 9:7).

Ur, Urfa, or Western Himalayas? - Given that the city of Ur is west of the Euphrates, to say this is the birthplace of Abram would be in contradiction to Joshua 24:2 - Y’hoshua said to all the people, This is what Adonai the God of Isra’el says: ‘In antiquity your ancestors lived on the other side of the [Euphrates] River — Terach the father of Avraham and Nachor — and they served other gods'.
I believe it is also important to note that the scriptures assume Euphrates, when in fact it could have been Tigris, which would take a location of Ur or Babylon out of the equation completely, when asking which side of “The River” the ancestors of Abram (Shem onwards) were considered to have lived.
Victor Hamilton, author of The Book of Genesis, Chapters 1-17 provides 7 reasons to support Urfa, to be the "correct" reference to Ur Kasdim, a town that is both east of the Euphrates and 30km from Harran, which I then critique to support my conclusion also (reference below).
  1. The journey would have been incredibly long for a family to take at that time [and traveling through Haran was unnecessary to get to Canaan and added many miles].
  2. There are hundreds of references to the famous Ur in the cuneiform texts, and not once is it called “Ur of the Chaldees.”
  3. The famous “Ur” could not have been called “Ur of the Chaldees” because the Chaldees were an ethnic group that actually lived around where Urfa (Edessa) was, and did not migrate southeast until long after Abraham.
  4. Abraham wanted to get a wife for Isaac, and told him to go to his “country” and the land of his birth and get a wife (Gen. 24:4, 7). Yet the servant did not go to the famous Ur, but went to upper Mesopotamia where Haran and Urfa are (Gen. 24). The woman that became Isaac’s wife was Rebekah, and when she sent her son Jacob to get a wife, she sent him to her family in Haran (Gen. 27:43), not way down southeast to the famous Ur.
  5. A tablet from Ebla refers to “Ur in Haran.”
  6. The expression “Ur of the Chaldees” occurs four times in the Old Testament (Gen. 11:28, 31; 15:7; Neh. 9:7). Each time the Septuagint translates the word “Ur” with a word for land or region, so the translators of the Septuagint connected the Chaldeans with a region, an area.
  7. Some of Abraham’s relatives had names that may be connected with sites in northern Mesopotamia.
Points 2, 3, and 6 all support the idea that Sumerian Ur is not the location of Ur Kasdim or has been mistranslated, and I agree with these as I have also discussed above. Point 5 adds weight that a place called Urfa could have existed, in addition to point 7, which I also do not contest as this supports a location that is not Babylon/Ur.
However, his first point, which is correct in saying travelling to Harran from Sumerian Ur before Canaan would have been illogical, falls apart when he describes an "incredibly long" journey, given he neglects to acknowledge that Terah was 75 years old when he has his sons and dies in Harran when is 205.
To say that Terah could leave Urfa and make a 30km trek to Harran but then die because he could not travel any further neglects the 130 year time period (and distance travelled) that the scriptures provide to state when Abram was born and when Terah dies. This is to then also say that the scriptures, and ironically Hamilton, support a far longer journey from a potential Western Himalayan location for Ur Kasdim/Kasdim-ur.
In his fourth point, Hamilton interprets the scriptures incorrectly when saying Abraham sent his servent to "the land of his birth" to get a wife for Isaac. Genesis 24:4 reads "but that you will go to my homeland, to my kinsmen, to choose a wife for my son Yitz’chak.”
Abraham is referring to his homeland in Harran, which is understandable if we consider he could have spent most of his life at that point at his "father's home" after having left Ur Kasdim. This is to show an error in Hamilton's claim that Urfa is therefore the correct location of Ur Kasdim, whilst still not refuting a potential Western Himalayan location.

What about the camels? - To finally bring a point of reference back to the Western Himalayas. In Genesis 24:10 Then the servant took ten of his master’s camels and all kinds of gifts from his master, got up and went to Aram-Naharayim, to Nachor’s city."
To specify, these were Bactrian camels, a species of camel that originate, as the name suggests, in Bactria, an area adjacent to the Western Himalayas. To support this further I provide an extract from the Biblearcheology website (reference below) that states the following -
"The Hebrew gamal is closely associated with another Semitic form, the Akkadian gammalu. Many Akkadian words have their origins in the Sumerian language, and gammalu is one of the words which contains a Sumerian ancestor in its logograms. Regular usage of Sumerian pre-dates the late views for the domestication of the camel, and it is interesting to note that Sumerian actually has two words for camel, (ANSE.A.AB.BA; ANSE.GAM.MAL), meaning donkey or a$$ of the sea, and donkey or a$$ of the mountains, respectively."
In my next post I will focus on who the Khas people are, how they are connected to Abram and his kinsman, and conclude why God chooses Abram to call out to.

*Edit - Punctuation, wording, and scripture references corrected. Comment about Euphrates added. Terah/Abram age correlation corrected.

https://www.reddit.com/DebateReligion/comments/1btw9w1/ur_kasdim_is_in_the_western_himalayas_not/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_script
https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/Genesis/11/31
https://www.biblearchaeology.org/research/contemporary-issues/3832-the-date-of-camel-domestication-in-the-ancient-near-east
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2024.04.08 17:44 pur__0_0__ Jainism is the perfect example of how everyone will like your religion even if it's full of bullshit, as long as you don't be an asshole.

To understand this, there are some things you should know about Jainism so that we're all on the same page.
Jainism was founded by Vardhaman Mahavira at some point in the 5th century BC, around the same time as Buddhism. I'm sure you're aware of that. But what you probably don't know is that according to Jainism, Mahavira was not the founder of Jainism. He was the 24th and the final tirthankar of Jainism. There are 23 tirthankars of Jainism before Mahavira, as each one gradually became shorter, lived less and appeared more quickly than the previous one. The first tirthankar was Rishabhnath, who was born "put 224 zeroes after 1" years ago and lived for about 592704000000000000000000 years.
When the Indus Valley Civilisation was discovered, many Jain scholars had an "Aha!" moment when they saw the sacred bull seals and nude figures, saying that even Indus Valley people worshipped Rishabhnath, and not some other religion's gods. So this is proof that their religion's founder is as old as they claim. And just in case you thought that's where the bullshit is over, according to Jain literature, Rishabhnath was 1.5km tall.
Remember the thing I said about each Jain tirthankar becoming shorter than the previous one? The first 4 tirthankars were taller than 1km, and until the 17th one they were taller than 100m. Mahavira was the only one with a reasonable height at 6 feet, and at most the 23rd one, Parshvanath at 13 feet (and I'm being very lenient when I say at most, as in he made the world record back then). The last two tirthankars are the only ones who lived for reasonable years too, with Mahavira and Parshvanath living for 72 and 100 years respectively. All others lived for thousands of years.
Other than Mahavira, Parshvanath is the only tirthankar who has any historical evidence. Just like any other religion, Mahavira used the classic trope of, "The main guy of our religion does keep reappearing. Remember that one famous person from a couple hundred years ago? Yeah, that was from our religion. And this person (him in this case) is the last person." (other examples of this include Dashavtar mentioning Buddha as Vishnu's incarnation, or Mohammad telling Jesus was the previous prophet of Allah).
And here's the funny part: Such a long standing religion got torn in half a couple of centuries after Mahavira died. During the Mauryan Empire, there was once a famine in Magadh. At this time, there were two Jain acharyas, Stulbhadra and Bhadrabahu. Bhadrabahu and his disciples migrated to south India while Stulbhadra stayed with his disciples in Magadh. When Bhadrabahu came back, their philosophies had completely changed. They both had several differences, because of which they both decided to split ways. Bhadrabahu's followers became Shwetambar Jains (those who wear white clothes) and Stulbhadra's followers became Digambar Jains (those who are naked).
Now you must be wondering, that if Mahavira is not the founder of Jainism according to the Jains, then why is he considered important. Other than being the last tirthankar, he also added the fifth ethic of Jainism, that of Brahmacharya (you will practice chastity). Before that, there were four:
  1. Ahimsa (you don't hurt anyone by words or actions)
  2. Satya (you will always tell the truth and be honest)
  3. Aparigraha (you will not own anything)
  4. Asteya (you will not steal)
So according to Jainism, if you lie, fight, have sex or even own anything, then you are not a Jain. That means anyone who has kids is not a Jain, since they didn't practice Brahmacharya. Or if anyone owns even an Aadhar card, they are not a Jain, since they didn't practice Aparigraha.
The most obvious reason behind this was that back then, religion was treated like what it's supposed to be: A choice. People weren't born into religions. This bullshit started only after the Islamic invasions, and the thousand years of brainwashing that followed afterwards which basically told us that your name is supposed to tell your religion and since your name is decided when you're born, so you're born with a religion. But that's a topic for another day. The main point is, that being Jain is supposed to be a choice. However, it's hard to explain this to a religion where half the people have Jain as their surname.
Jainism saw its rise during the beginning of the Mauryan Empire, since Chandragupta Maurya was a patron of Jainism and even converted to Jainism at the end of his life. He used his money, power and popularity to market Jainism, because of which many people converted to it. This practice was continued by other great kings, although not as much as Chandragupta Maurya did. This is why Jainism's influence reduced drastically when Chandragupta Maurya died. It was reduced even more after
  1. Brahmans started getting more influence when the Mauryan Empire collapsed. Since Jainism was made in opposition to the Vedas and Brahmans are supporters of Vedas, you can see where this was going. Although here they were still being somewhat funded because kings chose to be politically correct and secular, but the real downfall in Jainism's popularity was when
  2. The Islamic invasions began. There was no way kings could justify patronising a religion of ahimsa when there are enemies looting and killing the people. This was when both Buddhism and Jainism completely dropped in popularity. Not only were Jain organisations no longer getting funded to make anything else, their already existing temples were also broken by the Muslims.
Ever since then, Jainism has been funded by Jains individuals and trusts, who obviously can't give as much money or popularity as it had received from emperors.
So in conclusion:
  1. Rishabhnath founded Jainism 1000000000000000000000000000...(continue till 224 zeroes) years ago, and lived for 592704000000000000000000 years and was 1.5km tall. All other tirthankars who followed him were also Dragon Ball Z-level exaggerated except the last two, only because there was historical evidence about them.
  2. The religion that survived for that long couldn't even handle staying on its legs for even a couple centuries just because two of its followers lived in different places for a couple of years
  3. People are getting born into a religion they were supposed to choose, and are being forced to follow it just because.
  4. The people of that religion aren't even following the religious teachings.
  5. The whole concept of Jainism is only surviving on patronism. Stop funding it and it will collapse.
But in spite of all this, no one in the world hates Jains, just because they never forced their religion on anyone, nor did they make it a political tool. So what lesson do we learn here? It's that we as atheists don't hate religion because of the lies it teaches, or even the hypocrisy its followers practice. It's because religious people use their religion as a tool to be assholes. If they stop doing that, no one will hate them.
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2024.04.06 22:43 AncalagonTheBlack42 Alternate History/Timeline; a Clockwise Spinning Earth

Alternate History/Timeline; a Clockwise Spinning Earth
Context;
This is the premise of an alternate history or evolution project, centering around the idea of a world where the Earth spins clockwise, or “backward”, something that is known as retrograde rotation, similar to Venus. This doesn’t focus on what caused this to happen, but it instead focuses on geographical changes related to climate and weather changes between the two timelines, some similar and some dramatically different to our timeline. How the plants and animals of this world would adapt to all the changes.
Me and Molotovsnowman have gone through yet more scrutiny with regards to our previous data, especially by using the videos from the 2018 study data to measure using better software such as paint.net and climate simulation software so that we can more accurately measure the climate of this world. If a more up to date and powerful study looks at this premise with higher resolution, this will likely become obsolete, as the squares the studies use are quite big and make averages.
Using this more precise measuring, we’ve modified some of the temperate and humidity values of certain places, particularly with regard to precipitation patterns and seasonal variations, showing exactly how these places vary between seasons. As a result this helps us come to think about what would be living in these places. In future we will do an updated biome map that covers exactly what kind of ecosystems would be prevalent on such a world.
Molotov did some dats analysison the rainfall pattern of this timeline, determining not only the overall rainfall of certain places, but also what times of the year in which they fall significantly in, as can be seen the rainfall gif near the end of the slideshow, showing areas of intense rainfall in each month of the year.
Before this is a graph showing some of the wettest places in this timeline. Some of these are very wet year round, such as Ascension Island and coastal southwest Africa as a whole, or the Indus Valley, now a subtropical rainforest akin to a wetter southern China. Others are more monsoonal with pronounced dry seasons, which as the dry forests of the former Sahel and Arabia, now akin to our India or Southeast Asia. The flora and fauna of these lands would undoubtedly be a mix of subsaharan, Indian and even European migrants.
Just because a place doesn’t register on the humidity gif doesn’t mean there is no rain in this seasons, it means that it is not a significant or ‘monsoonal’ quantity, with the picture before it showing places that received a lot of rain.
Hawaii is an interesting example; at first it appears only slightly warmer and wetter on average than in our timeline, but in practise, it has gone from a rare dry summer savannah variant (As in the Koppen-Geiger system) to a more typical dry winter variant (Aw), with resulting changes in flora happening as a result. Similarly, the Iberian peninsula maintains rainfall from the Mediterranean monsoon, while also getting an Atlantic rain during winter, keeping it notably more humid than in our timeline. However, the harsh winters of Europe (keep in mind the temperature gif is skewed somewhat by elevation averages) mean that continental climates are far more prevalent. Other changed islands are a much drier and somewhat cooler Madagascar, Taiwan and Mauritius, a far wetter Galapagos and Socotra, a wetter and monsoonal Cyprus, and a strangely oceanic Mediterranean Japan, including southern Sakhalin. Other tropical islands like Indonesia haven’t changed too much, a result of low latitude.
My own gif creation involves a demonstration of how temperatures have altered in their distribution in this timeline. As can be seen by my monthly averages graph, winter temperatures in Europe and British Columbia are much harsher than in our timeline, but the reverse is true for the eastern coasts of America and Asia. An interesting fluke is the Mediterranean Sea, which helps moderate the hardness of Europe and North Africa, allowing much of that region to have relatively mild winters. Similarly, surrounded by oceans, the now monsoonal Arabia doesn’t vary as much as our India in temperatures, with only some of the southern regions averaging above 27C and only for a short time, while even Syria, Cycilia and Kurdistan remain above 2C in January.
Western Europe is a far cry from ours, with parts of northern Britain remaining below 2C until June, while the Italian peninsula is mostly very seasonal, akin to our Korea or New England roughly. Eastern Europe is even colder and harsher, with all of Europe north of the Seine being taiga forest. Tundras stretch down into Norway, while temperate forests cling on in southern Europe and Crimea. The cool and dry Caucasus remains a steppe, as does a cooler Central Asia, akin to pre-Reversal Mongolia.
Australia has certainly changed too; a cooler and much wetter west and warmer east is present; the desert is still present, but is now focussed in the east and has shrunk considerably to the benefit of the savannahs of the north and subtropical woodlands of the west. The continent now resembles how it did during the early Pliocene, and like it sees a resurgence in declining groups. This region would definitely be more capable of higher population in this timeline.
South America has dramatically changed in some places. The Amazon still exists, but is smaller and less dense than before, more like our Congo, while the savannahs have shifted northward. North Brazil is now dominated by the world’s largest desert, akin to the Outback, though the La Plata river offers a lifeline through this, ideal ground for urban societies to develop. The same is true for the Orinoco in Venezuela, now akin to our Indus. The western coast on the other hand is much wetter, the Galapagos and Atacama now being rainforest and coastal Peru’s deserts are now savannah. Valvidia is colder and drier, while Patagonia has become temperate forest.
As before, the Sahara is mild and wet, but it wasn’t clear until now how mild it is, with even the Maghreb (part from the highlands) being around 7C or above in winter and only slightly above 22C in summer, and year round humidity making akin to the southeastern USA of our timeline. The drier Egypt region is nearer 14C in January, allowing easy plant growth if one is ok with the winter dry season. Further south, the former Sahel has mostly changed into an intensely monsoonal region, akin to India or Indochina but in an even larger scale, with lake Chad not being too dissimilar to our Thailand climatically. Only the western Sahel is relatively similar. A vast savannah larger than all those south of the Sahara combined exists in these regions, allowing easy flow of African animals northward and beyond. The Great Lakes region is slightly wetter than before, but the Horn is an outright rainforest, while the southeast and Madagascar are much drier and more hostile now. Rainforests stretch down the coast all the way down to Angola and even Namibia. The Congo has now supplanted the Amazon as the world’s largest rainforest, and deserves a new name to boot; the Azanian. This has now taken the savannah’s place as the main division between Africa.
Don’t take these temperatures too perfectly, however, as they do seem to(based on the prograde simulations in the same study) to exaggerate the extreme summers of hot desert climates in a way not seen elsewhere in the study data, as well as possibly continentality. It underestimates winter temperatures in prograde British Columbia while overestimating those of northern Japan for example. This is why Molotov simulated only coastal Iberia to be temperate rather than continental. Nonetheless, a considerable amount of southern Europe is still fairly mild despite the vast changes. Also keep in mind these assume preindustrial co2 levels and climate, with this world on average being 1.24C cooler globally than ours currently is.
Some of the most extreme temperature swings are present in Central Asia, home to summers almost as harsh as in our timeline, but considerably stronger winters, akin to the Midwest, creating ideal environments for tornados. Even more extreme is Northern European Russia, with summers only being above 2C on average for a meagre 3-4 months of the year, followed by bitter winters, akin to our Yakutia. Even the Caucasus and Anatolia are cold and continental, with only coastal Anatolia being still warm and mild, allowing a pathway for fleeing European flora and fauna to migrate to the Middle East.
Meanwhile, the Asian far east has become much milder than before, at least in the north; not to the extent of our Europe but still a vast improvement. Southern Manchuria and North Korea reach or surpass 22C for 3 months (compared to 2 in otl) and all 12 months average above 2C (compared to 3 averaging below 0C in otl). This along with flat land and a decent Mediterranean rainfall pattern of sunny dry summers and mild rainy winters makes this good land for early civilisation to form, as is the Yellow River basin to the south. Manchuria both inner and outer quickly becomes more continental as you go further inland, just as with our timeline (something the squares of the study videos do tend to skew a bit), but even parts of outer Manchuria are now temperate, while the bits that are still continental are now relatively mild and easy to handle for creatures, similar to Eastern Europe. Deciduous woodlands now grow as far as and even beyond (at least near the coasts) the Stanavoys. Even Mongolia is relatively milder than our own; slightly wetter and with weaker winters than before, its mountains providing refuge from the blistering heat of the south. The Yellow Sea is like a much smaller Mediterranean here, and like it has a great desert to the south, though not nearly as big or harsh as our Sahara, harbouring a Sahelian Indochina to the south. Indonesia is relatively drier than before, especially Sumatra but remains very humid and forested despite minor changes. Japan’s islands are very oceanic, with only the southwest having hot summers, while all of the islands, including not only Hokkaido, but the Kurils and the southern half of Sakhalin having mild winters that allow easy plant and crop growth. Even southern kamchatka now has an oceanic climate, akin to British Columbia or Ireland.
The Indian subcontinent apart from the aforementioned rainforests of the northwest, hasn’t changed too much at all in the north, but the south and Sri Lanka are substantially wetter as seen in the study data, now being one of the wettest places on earth, a large rainforest. In addition, sea nitration occurs on a level unheard of in our timeline here, leading to unprecedented Cyanobacteria blooms off the coast.
The west coast of North America now has one of the world’s largest monsoons affecting it, though not quite as large and intense as the East Asian monsoon of our timeline. Only California still recieves decent rain during the winters now, a very stark contrast. Southern Cascadia, with a strong continental shift, resembles a milder Manchuria now, and Columbia is akin to the Russian far east, harsh and hostile to outsiders, though a warmer and milder Aleutians catches the brunt of the Mid-Pacific current, being relatively nice to dwell in. California and the southwest resemble an even more mountainous southern China in miniature form, and Baja takes Florida’s place. Animals of southern and western Mexico now roam around California without issues, as well as refugees from the desertified southeast. The Midwest and Great Lakes is a wild place of hot and dry summers and freezing winters, similar to our Central Asia, while the midatlantic and New England are Mediterranean. Even Nova Scotia and Newfoundland are now temperate, and coastal Labrador and the Hudson Bay coastline are little bit milder than in our timeline, the opposite of their west coast counterparts.
Antarctica hasn’t changed much to be honest, though even here, minor differences exist here and there.
Hopefully, the new updates have addressed a number of critiques earlier versions were given, as well as the videos offering more precision information about temperature and rainfall patterns. In future there may also be ice age and hothouse versions of this. Enjoy!
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2024.04.05 20:23 AncalagonTheBlack42 V5 Retrograde/Clockwise Earth map and accompanying climate gifs.

V5 Retrograde/Clockwise Earth map and accompanying climate gifs.
Yeah, it’s about that time! A tweaking of the Clockwise rotation earth data, the 5th version in fact! Me and Molotov have gone through yet more scrutiny with regards to our previous data, especially by using the videos from the 2018 study data to measure using better software such as paint.net and climate simulation software.
Using this more precise measuring, we’ve modified some of the values of certain places, particularly with regard to precipitation patterns and seasonal variations.
Molotov did some data on the rainfall pattern of this timeline, determining not only the overall rainfall of certain places, but also what times of the year in which they fall significantly in, as can be seen the rainfall gif near the end of the slideshow. Before this is a graph showing some of the wettest places in this timeline. Some of these are very wet year round, such as Ascension Island in southwest Africa, or the Indus Valley, now a subtropical rainforests. Others are more monsoonal with pronounced dry seasons, which as the dry forests of the former Sahel and Arabia, now akin to our India.
Just because a place doesn’t register on the humidity gif doesn’t mean there is no rain in this seasons, it means that it is not a significant or ‘monsoonal’ quantity, with the picture before it showing places that received a lot of rain.
Hawaii is an interesting example; at first it appears only slightly warmer and wetter on average than in our timeline, but in practise, it has gone from a rare dry summer savannah variant (As in the Koppen-Geiger system) to a more typical dry winter variant (Aw), with resulting changes in flora happening as a result. Similarly, the Iberian peninsula maintains rainfall from the Mediterranean monsoon, while also getting an Atlantic rain during winter, keeping it notably more humid than in our timeline. However, the harsh winters of Europe (keep in mind the temperature gif is skewed somewhat by elevation averages) mean that continental climates are far more prevalent.
My own gif creation involves a demonstration of how temperatures have altered in their distribution in this timeline. As can be seen by my monthly averages graph, summer temperatures in Europe and British Columbia are much harsher than in our timeline, but the reverse is true for the eastern coasts of America and Asia. An interesting fluke is the Mediterranean Sea, which helps moderate the hardness of Europe and North Africa, allowing much of that region to have relatively mild winters. Similarly, surrounded by oceans, the now monsoonal Arabia doesn’t vary as much as our India in temperatures, with only some of the southern regions averaging above 27C and only for a short time, while even Syria, Cycilia and Kurdistan remain above 2C in January.
Western Europe is a far cry from ours, with parts of northern Britain remaining below 2C until June, while the Italian peninsula is mostly very seasonal, akin to our Korea or New England roughly.
Australia has certainly changed too; a cooler and much wetter west and warmer east is present; the desert is still present, but is now focussed in the east and has shrunk considerably to the benefit of the savannahs of the north and subtropical woodlands of the west. This region would definitely be more capable of higher population in this timeline.
As before, the Sahara is mild, but it wasn’t clear until now how mild it is, with even the Maghreb (part from the highlands) being around 7C or above in winter and only slightly above 22C in summer, and the drier Egypt region is nearer 14C in January, allowing easy plant growth if one is ok with the winter dry season. Further south, the former Sahel has mostly changed into an intensely monsoonal region, akin to India or Indochina but in an even larger scale, with lake Chad not being too dissimilar to our Thailand climatically.
Don’t take these temperatures too perfectly, however, as they do seem to(based on the prograde simulations in the same study) to exaggerate the extreme summers of hot desert climates in a way not seen elsewhere in the study data, as well as possibly continentality. It underestimates winter temperatures in prograde British Columbia while overestimating those of northern Japan for example. This is why Molotov simulated only coastal Iberia to be temperate rather than continental. Nonetheless, a considerable amount of southern Europe is still fairly mild despite the vast changes. Also keep in mind these assume preindustrial co2 levels and climate, with this world on average being 1.24C cooler globally than ours currently is.
Some of the most extreme temperature swings are present in Central Asia, home to summers almost as harsh as in our timeline, but considerably stronger winters, akin to the Midwest, creating ideal environments for tornados. Even more extreme is Northern European Russia, with summers only being above 2C on average for a meagre 3-4 months of the year, followed by bitter winters, akin to our Yakutia.
Meanwhile, the Asian far east has become much milder than before, at least in the north; not to the extent of our Europe but still a vast improvement. Southern Manchuria and North Korea reach or surpass 22C for 3 months (compared to 2 in otl) and all 12 months average above 2C (compared to 3 averaging below 0C in otl). This along with flat land and a decent Mediterranean rainfall pattern of sunny dry summers and mild rainy winters makes this good land for early civilisation to form, as is the Yellow River basin. Manchuria both inner and outer quickly becomes more continental as you go further inland, just as with our timeline (something the squares of the study videos do tend to skew a bit), but even parts of outer Manchuria are now temperate, while the bits that are continental are now mild and easy to handle for creatures, similar to Eastern Europe. The Yellow Sea is like a much smaller Mediterranean here, and like it has a great desert to the south, though not nearly as big or harsh as our Sahara, harbouring a Sahelian Indochina to the south. Indonesia is relatively drier than before, especially Sumatra but remains very humid and forested despite minor changes.
The west coast of North America now has one of the world’s largest monsoons affecting it, though not quite as large and intense as the East Asian monsoon of our timeline. Only California still recieves decent rain during the winters now, a very stark contrast. Southern Cascadia, with a strong continental shift, resembles a milder Manchuria now, and Columbia is akin to the Russian far east, harsh and hostile to outsiders, though a warmer and milder Aleutians catches the brunt of the Mid-Pacific current, being relatively nice to dwell in. California and the southwest resemble an even more mountainous southern China in miniature form, and Baja takes Florida’s place. Animals of southern and western Mexico now roam around California without issues, as well as refugees from the desertified southeast.
Hopefully, the new updates have addressed a number of critiques earlier versions were given, as well as the videos offering more precision information about temperature and rainfall patterns. Enjoy!
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2024.04.05 00:27 e9967780 Novel 4,400-year-old ancestral component in a tribe speaking a Dravidian language (Preprint)

However, with more sequences of ancient and modern genomes and fine structure analyses, we can expect a more complex picture of ancestry to emerge. In this study, we focus on Dravidian linguistic groups to propose a fourth putative source which may have branched out from the basal Middle Eastern component that gave rise to the Iranian plateau farmer related ancestry. The Elamo-Dravidian theory and the linguistic phylogeny of the Dravidian family tree provide chronological fits for the genetic findings presented here. Our findings show a correlation between the linguistic and genetic lineages in language communities speaking Dravidian languages when they are modelled together. We suggest that this source, which we shall call 'Proto- Dravidian' ancestry, emerged around the dawn of the Indus Valley civilisation. This ancestry is distinct from all other sources described so far, and its plausible origin not later than 4,400 years ago on the region between the Iranian plateau and the Indus valley supports a Dravidian heartland before the arrival of Indo-European languages on the Indian subcontinent. Admixture analysis shows that this Proto-Dravidian ancestry is still carried by most modern inhabitants of the Indian subcontinent other than the tribal populations. This momentous finding underscores the importance of population-specific fine structure studies. We also recommend informed sampling strategies for biobanks and to avoid oversimplification of ancestral reconstruction. Achieving this requires interdisciplinary collaboration.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.31.587466v2
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2024.04.04 09:10 Goodguy2675 Are the new updates accurate?

Are the new updates accurate?
Hi everyone.
Came across this update to the NCERT textbooks stating the Harappan civilization is indigenous to India.
Is there any scientific/archaeological proof to support this?
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2024.04.04 05:49 Miserable_Ad6175 New paper: Proto-Dravidian Iran_N is different from Sarazm_En Iran_N and both existed alongside each other. India is way more confusing than I expected.

A recent study suggests that archaic DNA (Sarazm_EN) dating from the 4th millennium BC from what today is Tajikistan as the best proxy for Iranian plateau farmer-related ancestry (Kerdoncuff et al. 2024). We do not find any direct ancestry sharing between our hypothetical Proto-Dravidian and Sarazm_EN or with the Indus Periphery cline. However, the f3-statistics for our hypothetical Proto-Dravidian are similar to those of Sarazm_EN, the Indus Periphery cline as well as the ancient DNA dating from 9th–8th millennium BC in the Zagros mountains, i.e. Iran_N and Ganj Dareh_N, suggesting a pre-Neolithic common ancestor related to the ancient Caucasus hunter-gatherer component that diverged from the Andamanese hunter-gatherer lineage in the Late Pleistocene (Jones et al. 2015). Our putative Proto-Dravidian ancestry therefore evidently constituted a separate entity that existed alongside the Iranian plateau farmer related ancestry since the Neolithic period through the Chalcolithic in the vicinity of Indus Valley civilisation. The Elamo-Dravidian theory and the linguistic phylogeny of the Dravidian family tree provide ideal chronological fits for the genetic findings presented here. The time depth of the shared ancestry between the Koraga and Early Neolithic Ganj Dareh 10,000 years ago coincides with the time ascribed by linguists to the hypothetical Elamo-Dravidian linguistic phylum in the Early Holocene and matches geographically with the Elamo-Dravidian homeland in the Zagros mountains, as proposed by McAlpin (1981).
April 2, 2024 paper link: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.31.587466v2.full.pdf
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2024.04.02 13:24 Good-Attention-7129 Ur Kasdim is in the Western Himalayas not Mesopotamia Part I

Many people, even those committed to faith in the scriptures, will say that the stories in Genesis are mythological without any evidence that the people or places described existed, or present arguments that do not correlate well with the scriptures or scientific evidence. I will attempt to bring my understanding of historical events described by science and anthropology, and how they correlate to the scriptures concluding on my interpretation of where Ur Kasdim is.
4.2ky event - This was a severe climatic event that affected the entire world, thought to be a result of weakening ocean currents changing rainfall and temperatures starting in 2200BC. It is believed to have lasted 100 years, although the affect on human populations lasted up to 300 years. It caused some areas of the world to became dry, arid, and drought affected (Mesopotamia, Indus Valley), whilst others experienced significant flooding and famine (Egypt, China). It resulted in the movement of peoples living in the Middle East who were effectively climate refugees, from a west to east direction seeking better conditions, ultimately resulting in peoples both leaving from and coming into the Indus Valley area by the year 1900BC (reference link below).
Scripture correlation - Reading Genesis 10:25 as follows "To ‘Ever were born two sons. One was given the name Peleg [division], because during his lifetime the earth was divided. His brother’s name was Yoktan." The date of the 4.2ky event in history coincides very closely to the birth of Peleg, as does its potential duration given Peleg is described as having lived 239 years, in addition to the description of the earth being divided into wet and dry areas. It is this last point which I believe is the most important, answering what is meant by the text in Genesis.
I also want to make the point that, as described above, the potential movement of Abraham's forefathers starting with Peleg towards the eventual destination Ur Kasdim was not out of intent, but necessity, given the drastic changes in the environment, and social upheaval they were experiencing.
Ur Kasdim - We know that time period from Peleg to Nahor I occurs close to 200 years, suggesting the forefathers of Abraham could have travelled a significant distance if starting in the Levant, through Mesopotamia, and ending at the Western Himalayas/Indus Valley Civilisation. The name Ur Kasdim could therefore signify this journey by being a collective of Sumerian, Sanskrit, and Hebrew together.
Ur, the Sumerian word for "land" or "place of", Khas, Sanskrit referring to the Khas or Khasas tribe, and suffix -im in Hebrew completing the plural to peoples. Ur Kasdim would therefore translate as "Land of the Khas people", located in north west India near the Western Himalayas, and not Mesopotamia as has been generally accepted.
I will explore who the Khas people were in Part II, including how Kasdim/Khas could refer more accurately to Kastriya, specifically a group of outcast royalty during the time of the 4.2ky event, with Terah choosing to live as amongst them thereby becoming the birthplace of Abram.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4.2-kiloyear_event


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