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2024.05.21 15:03 mern_ I don’t know what to caption this I hopes that someone might take the time to read about my problems other than breastfeeding is fricken hard man
When I was pregnant my plan was to exclusively breastfeed my baby girl. After she was born, we really struggled with feeding the first day because she was chomping on my nipples. They were really bloody, painful, chapped. Towards the end of the day I eventually asked my doula to grab some formula and bottles because baby girl needed to eat and I couldn’t supply what she needed in that condition.
The lactation consultant at the hospital was no help either, she was in the room for five minutes and just gave me some pamphlets and left. The nurses were super helpful in getting her to latch but unfortunately they weren’t coming home with us to help me every time.
I began pumping as soon as we got home and more so once my milk supply came in. Baby girl still wouldn’t latch so she was having formula and bottled breastmilk. I was constantly beating myself up over this thinking something was wrong with me that I couldn’t feed my baby. I really wanted her to be breastfed. My doula referred us to a lactation consultant in our area who helped us with a lot. She was able to have baby latch with a nipple shield and she told me there isn’t anything anatomically wrong with me, which was a weight taken off my shoulders, but that baby girl was lacking the reflexes that babies are born with in order to produce a wide latch. She also found a tongue tie that our pediatrician missed. So we had to do different mouth exercises and tongue exercises and ultimately were referred to a pediatric dentist for a laser frenectomy.
Fast forward to now baby girl is 4 months old. Still won’t latch, even with the shield she just screams and gets so upset. I want to give up. I’ve accepted and come to terms with being a lost cause for this and that it probably won’t happen. I feel like I don’t have time to keep trying. I don’t produce enough, I don’t drink enough water, I’m not eating enough to feed my milk supply I feel like I don’t have time to eat these days, my nipples are chapped and discolored from pumping, my baby doesn’t see me and think “mom boobies milk” instead she recognizes the bottle and reaches for it and smiles at it and while it’s cute a part of me breaks. I never got to experience the bonding that comes with breastfeeding, the comfort for baby, the exchange of enzymes in her saliva that tells my body what she needs if she’s sick.
You know, my entire life I’ve always felt I was born into the wrong generation but let me tell you, I have never been more grateful to be born into this generation. I’ve been lucky enough to use several different kinds of pumps over the last four months to feed my baby. I never wanted her to be a formula baby (yes I was that mom) but I am beyond thankful to have a formula that’s right for my baby (plus, you can’t tell by looking at someone if they had formula or breastmilk and my girl is perfectly healthy and growing. A story for another time. Fed is best) Way back when, if you couldn’t feed your baby it would die or someone else would have to feed them. This is what I think about when I’m pumping every single time. How I can’t feed my baby because she couldn’t latch to me. It’s agonizing and consuming.
It is such a biological and primal urge to want to feed your baby, and I simply can’t. It’s wearing me down so much emotionally, I want to stop pumping all together but I don’t know how. I need someone, some mom out there who gets it, to tell me it’s ok to be done :(
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The lactation consultant at the hospital was no help either, she was in the room for five minutes and just gave me some pamphlets and left. The nurses were super helpful in getting her to latch but unfortunately they weren’t coming home with us to help me every time.
I began pumping as soon as we got home and more so once my milk supply came in. Baby girl still wouldn’t latch so she was having formula and bottled breastmilk. I was constantly beating myself up over this thinking something was wrong with me that I couldn’t feed my baby. I really wanted her to be breastfed. My doula referred us to a lactation consultant in our area who helped us with a lot. She was able to have baby latch with a nipple shield and she told me there isn’t anything anatomically wrong with me, which was a weight taken off my shoulders, but that baby girl was lacking the reflexes that babies are born with in order to produce a wide latch. She also found a tongue tie that our pediatrician missed. So we had to do different mouth exercises and tongue exercises and ultimately were referred to a pediatric dentist for a laser frenectomy.
Fast forward to now baby girl is 4 months old. Still won’t latch, even with the shield she just screams and gets so upset. I want to give up. I’ve accepted and come to terms with being a lost cause for this and that it probably won’t happen. I feel like I don’t have time to keep trying. I don’t produce enough, I don’t drink enough water, I’m not eating enough to feed my milk supply I feel like I don’t have time to eat these days, my nipples are chapped and discolored from pumping, my baby doesn’t see me and think “mom boobies milk” instead she recognizes the bottle and reaches for it and smiles at it and while it’s cute a part of me breaks. I never got to experience the bonding that comes with breastfeeding, the comfort for baby, the exchange of enzymes in her saliva that tells my body what she needs if she’s sick.
You know, my entire life I’ve always felt I was born into the wrong generation but let me tell you, I have never been more grateful to be born into this generation. I’ve been lucky enough to use several different kinds of pumps over the last four months to feed my baby. I never wanted her to be a formula baby (yes I was that mom) but I am beyond thankful to have a formula that’s right for my baby (plus, you can’t tell by looking at someone if they had formula or breastmilk and my girl is perfectly healthy and growing. A story for another time. Fed is best) Way back when, if you couldn’t feed your baby it would die or someone else would have to feed them. This is what I think about when I’m pumping every single time. How I can’t feed my baby because she couldn’t latch to me. It’s agonizing and consuming.
It is such a biological and primal urge to want to feed your baby, and I simply can’t. It’s wearing me down so much emotionally, I want to stop pumping all together but I don’t know how. I need someone, some mom out there who gets it, to tell me it’s ok to be done :(
2024.05.13 21:07 Then_Meringue_4975 Health Deteriorating from Stress
I’m only 23 years old but I feel like my body is attacking itself. I was fired about 3 months ago, broke things off with a guy I really liked because he wouldn’t commit, and lost a friend due to him not respecting my boundaries. I eventually found a new job over a month ago and since starting I’ve become more and more unwell.
It first started with getting eye styes back to back. Then I noticed a gum injury and had to go in for a frenectomy and gum graft procedure. The styes increased in frequency and size, and nothing seemed to help. I ended up accidentally hitting my fresh gum graft on the edge of a table while bending over in the dark and recoiled so fast that I gave myself whiplash and severely injured my back. I thought, okay- my mouth is swollen, bloody, full of sutures, my eyes are red, puffy and painful, and my back is stiff and painful- how much worse can it get? Then red bumps started appearing around my eye sockets, clusters of them- every day getting worse and worse. I look like a zombie.
I’ve been going to dentists, opthomologist and now a dermatologist to “cure” all my problems-but I feel like nothing helps and more problems pop up. I don’t know if it’s linked to stress, or maybe I’ve developed a serious allergy to something in my environment (I’ve taken allergy pills and nothing seems to work, and I did a skin allergy patch test a couple of months ago). But I can’t take it anymore. I don’t want to see people, I don’t want to go to work. I feel helpless because no matter what I do to better my health and try to do thinks to relax myself, nothing works and seems to only make things worse. I’m at the end of my rope. I’m only 23 years old and yet I feel like I have the body of an 80 year old.
It’s getting to a point where I just want to quit my new job and move back home with my mom and give up. But I don’t want to do that. But I don’t know what else to do.
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It first started with getting eye styes back to back. Then I noticed a gum injury and had to go in for a frenectomy and gum graft procedure. The styes increased in frequency and size, and nothing seemed to help. I ended up accidentally hitting my fresh gum graft on the edge of a table while bending over in the dark and recoiled so fast that I gave myself whiplash and severely injured my back. I thought, okay- my mouth is swollen, bloody, full of sutures, my eyes are red, puffy and painful, and my back is stiff and painful- how much worse can it get? Then red bumps started appearing around my eye sockets, clusters of them- every day getting worse and worse. I look like a zombie.
I’ve been going to dentists, opthomologist and now a dermatologist to “cure” all my problems-but I feel like nothing helps and more problems pop up. I don’t know if it’s linked to stress, or maybe I’ve developed a serious allergy to something in my environment (I’ve taken allergy pills and nothing seems to work, and I did a skin allergy patch test a couple of months ago). But I can’t take it anymore. I don’t want to see people, I don’t want to go to work. I feel helpless because no matter what I do to better my health and try to do thinks to relax myself, nothing works and seems to only make things worse. I’m at the end of my rope. I’m only 23 years old and yet I feel like I have the body of an 80 year old.
It’s getting to a point where I just want to quit my new job and move back home with my mom and give up. But I don’t want to do that. But I don’t know what else to do.
2024.04.19 13:43 JohnnyGrey Any suggestions? Any hope?
Our baby boy was born 2 months ago. Everything went well, and both him and my wife recovered very fast after birth. Unfortunately we had to bottle feed him in the first few weeks, due to him not being able to latch correctly to the breast. Then he slowly started to learn to latch onto the breast, but he bites a lot and very hard. This is causing my wife physical and emotional pain. She is pushing through it all, and continues to breastfeed, but I'm not sure how much longer she can handle it.
We tried everything... a frenectomy (which was necessary), going to an osteopath and doing exercises with our little one... even going to a pediatric surgeon for a check up on his jaw.. no issues there. We don' t know what else to do. I am doing everything I can, from cooking, shopping, driving, cleaning, changing the baby, making him sleep etc., all while working a full time job.. but it pains me to see my wife like this and knowing I'm fucking powerless to help. We both want our boy to be exclusively breastfed, but at this rate we are thinking on going back to formula/mother's milk in baby bottles.
Is there any hope after our baby is 3 month old? I unserstand a lot changes then.
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We tried everything... a frenectomy (which was necessary), going to an osteopath and doing exercises with our little one... even going to a pediatric surgeon for a check up on his jaw.. no issues there. We don' t know what else to do. I am doing everything I can, from cooking, shopping, driving, cleaning, changing the baby, making him sleep etc., all while working a full time job.. but it pains me to see my wife like this and knowing I'm fucking powerless to help. We both want our boy to be exclusively breastfed, but at this rate we are thinking on going back to formula/mother's milk in baby bottles.
Is there any hope after our baby is 3 month old? I unserstand a lot changes then.
2024.04.06 02:14 Tortitude0306 Adult experience with lingual frenectomy
I’ve been a long time lurker of this sub, so I figured it was only right for me to share my experience with a tongue tie release. I 27F have had TMJ issues; neck, shoulder, and upper back pain; and an unstable jaw. I wore braces twice, about 10 years apart. I also had a grade 3 tongue tie.
I had a lingual frenectomy (done with a CO2laser) about 12 hours ago, and I feel like a brand new person. My neck and my shoulders are soft, my traps used to feel like boulders and now I can easily press my fingers into them. My shoulders have also dropped; they’re no longer crunched up towards my ears. I can look over and slightly behind both shoulders without neck pain / effort.
My tongue is definitely sore, and my throat feels tired because I’m finally using the muscles at the back of my tongue that had been restricted by the tongue tie. Other than the mild discomfort in my tongue and throat, I feel so much better than I did before the procedure.
If you have the means, I highly recommend this procedure. I’m excited to see how much better I feel as my muscles continue to relax and my tongue continues to heal.
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I had a lingual frenectomy (done with a CO2laser) about 12 hours ago, and I feel like a brand new person. My neck and my shoulders are soft, my traps used to feel like boulders and now I can easily press my fingers into them. My shoulders have also dropped; they’re no longer crunched up towards my ears. I can look over and slightly behind both shoulders without neck pain / effort.
My tongue is definitely sore, and my throat feels tired because I’m finally using the muscles at the back of my tongue that had been restricted by the tongue tie. Other than the mild discomfort in my tongue and throat, I feel so much better than I did before the procedure.
If you have the means, I highly recommend this procedure. I’m excited to see how much better I feel as my muscles continue to relax and my tongue continues to heal.
2024.04.05 10:05 New-mama-1117 Simple tongue tie procedure led to hospitalization of our newborn. Can I sue for malpractice on behalf of my child?
We took our two month old to get a simple procedure to have their tongue tie released, a frenectomy. When we arrived to the doctor’s office, they explained that our baby would not require any anesthesia as they assured us that the procedure caused little to no pain and that we would be out of there in no time. The doctor explained the procedure, went over the tools that they were going to use and showed us the scissors (don’t know the official name of the tool) she would use to cut the tongue tie. She pointed out that the tip was round on the scissors so that they wouldn’t accidentally poke anything else and hurt our baby. The doctor then proceeded with the procedure and as soon as the doctor snipped the tie, our baby let out the scariest scream and cried uncontrollably. Our baby was clearly in pain and so much blood was gushing out. So much so, that the blood was going up my baby’s nose and into their eyes. The doctor told me to breastfeed our baby because that would stop the bleeding. The bleeding slowed down a lot, but our baby was still oozing a little bit of blood by the time we left the doctor’s office. Before we left, we checked with the doctor about the small amount of blood that our baby was still spitting out, and they said that that was normal (I later realized that the doctor stated that the bleeding had completely stopped when we left on their notes which wasn’t true). The bleeding was still happening and later that night, I woke up to the sound of my baby choking on an inch wide blood clot and their whole chest and neck was covered in their own blood. We rushed our baby to the hospital after speaking to a nurse over the phone. There at the emergency room, it took the doctors several hours to stop the bleeding and our baby was on the verge of needing a blood transfusion from how much blood they lost. At the emergency room, a head and neck doctor had explained that the doctor who performed the frenectomy had cut too deep and that they had cut into her muscle which was the reason for the amount of bleeding. They said they had never seen anything like that before related to a frenectomy. The doctor who performed the frenectomy called me later that day while we were still at the hospital being monitored, and because I wanted to know why this happened, I asked them if they could clearly identify the tongue tie from the muscle, and she said “yes.” She knew that she had cut into our baby’s muscle and failed to mention anything to us. She could’ve sent us to the hospital then to get the wound properly closed, but instead sent us home telling us that the bleeding was normal and my baby was slowly losing so much blood. She apologized for what she did and said she’d call back to check on our baby and never got a call from her again. We are so livid that a simple procedure nearly cost our baby their life. Our baby is now anemic and has a heart murmur from the blood loss that the doctors are hopeful that will go away with time. Everyone keeps telling us to sue Kaiser for negligence and malpractice. Can we sue? Is this something that we should even pursue? I want the doctor that did this to be held responsible.
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2024.03.27 01:42 Rude_Parsley4763 Had a lingual frenectomy six days ago
Hey y’all. I had a frenectomy done 6 days ago and I came here to vent and share my experience so far, and to answer any questions!
I had the frenectomy done because that thingy that attaches you tongue with the base of your mouth was strong enough to keep me from rolling my Rs properly and made me sound like a mess. Once I was told that the procedure could help I didn’t think it twice. Went to a private doc bc mouth procedures are so cheap here hehe. It wasn’t that pricey. I’m from Colombia (Medellin), so anything related to mouth and teeth is way cheaper than anywhere else. I wanted to do it, we speak Spanish in colombia so rolling your Rs is a must if you want to sound good, and I just didn’t. I know that some of you will ask why didn’t I go to speech therapy and to be honest, I didn’t want to or had the initiative. Maybe I should have, but I hate waiting, and this insecurity of mine was stronger than any good advice someone could’ve given me.
Day 1. Thursday last week:
I went, I got the numbing injections which honestly didn’t hurt as much as everyone said they would, and stopped feeling my tongue. It was so NOT just a snip snip. He got a scalpel and a few other medical thingy tools that looked like scisssors and started doing his thing. I just felt how he was cutting layer after layer of something and as he did, some tension was released in my mouth but not too much. Then he got to the stitches, and I was good to go. It was about an hour?
Two hours after, the numb wore off and I wanted to kill myself (this in male pain tolerance so maybe it wasn’t that bad). Funnily enough, the pain was not on my tongue. It was in my head. I had a terrible tension migraine as soon as the numbing stopped. I had to take some Advil and lay down because that was awful.
That night is top three worst night of my life. My tongue started swelling and it got really big to the point I could not keep my mouth shut because my tongue was just very big. It was also impossible to breathe properly while sleeping so the pain woke me up a lot of times. Tongue swollen. And so fucking dry it would stick to my palate and moving it was so incredibly painful. Somehow I got through the night.
Next day I woke up and the swelling was gone, but my tongue was so fucked up looking, dark red, some purple parts as if I got a beat up but it was on my tongue. I was so scared of like necrosis or something but it was not swollen anymore, it didn’t hurt much, and well. Necrosis in less than 12 hours? Lmfao. Nothing much happened that day. Impossible to eat so I had to stick to shakes and juices and drinks and it SUCKED, I love eating.
Saturday and Sunday had no changes. Random swellings, went away quickly, still juices and drinks. Tried eating stuff because doc told me to but it was quite painful although I did have some. Less than 50 grams in food total per day tho. It is SO PAINFUL because apparently the tongue can’t keep quiet and loves to move by itself.
Yesterday was bad, tried to eat some more and I felt like a stitch popped. I don’t see if it popped or not, and apparently it’s normal that stitches start to dissolve and loose when the days go by. I had more of that white tissue forming in the wound.
Today hasn’t been a good day at all. I decided to go back to the gym, but didn’t do too much. Having no real food for days really does a number on you. I did eat “ solid” foods today. Three eggs, half a piece of bread, and soup for lunch. Delicious, but the pain doesn’t subside quickly. right now what’s fucking me UP is that I feel a sharp pain in my wound when I move the tongue. The stitches? Idk. I would think so. It feels like a sharp pain that stabs me as soon as I move my tongue to say something or to eat. It’s not too bad but it SUCKS.
Another thing. Can’t speak for the life of me yet. I can try and form words and have a conversation, but honestly I sound terrible. I have a lisp when pronouncing the S right now and I feel it’s because it hurts in the stitches when I try so I haven’t. I try to do some stretches every now and then because it’s very painful. Very. Very. Painful. And I feel very weak too because I didn’t eat anything for 4 days other than water and a few juices and some bites of food that I could try. HOWEVER… I do feel more… elasticity? When trying to speak and feel more freedom, so I can’t wait to heal to start talking and practicing more, as I feel rolling the R doesn’t feel too tight anymore.
So quick notes
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I had the frenectomy done because that thingy that attaches you tongue with the base of your mouth was strong enough to keep me from rolling my Rs properly and made me sound like a mess. Once I was told that the procedure could help I didn’t think it twice. Went to a private doc bc mouth procedures are so cheap here hehe. It wasn’t that pricey. I’m from Colombia (Medellin), so anything related to mouth and teeth is way cheaper than anywhere else. I wanted to do it, we speak Spanish in colombia so rolling your Rs is a must if you want to sound good, and I just didn’t. I know that some of you will ask why didn’t I go to speech therapy and to be honest, I didn’t want to or had the initiative. Maybe I should have, but I hate waiting, and this insecurity of mine was stronger than any good advice someone could’ve given me.
Day 1. Thursday last week:
I went, I got the numbing injections which honestly didn’t hurt as much as everyone said they would, and stopped feeling my tongue. It was so NOT just a snip snip. He got a scalpel and a few other medical thingy tools that looked like scisssors and started doing his thing. I just felt how he was cutting layer after layer of something and as he did, some tension was released in my mouth but not too much. Then he got to the stitches, and I was good to go. It was about an hour?
Two hours after, the numb wore off and I wanted to kill myself (this in male pain tolerance so maybe it wasn’t that bad). Funnily enough, the pain was not on my tongue. It was in my head. I had a terrible tension migraine as soon as the numbing stopped. I had to take some Advil and lay down because that was awful.
That night is top three worst night of my life. My tongue started swelling and it got really big to the point I could not keep my mouth shut because my tongue was just very big. It was also impossible to breathe properly while sleeping so the pain woke me up a lot of times. Tongue swollen. And so fucking dry it would stick to my palate and moving it was so incredibly painful. Somehow I got through the night.
Next day I woke up and the swelling was gone, but my tongue was so fucked up looking, dark red, some purple parts as if I got a beat up but it was on my tongue. I was so scared of like necrosis or something but it was not swollen anymore, it didn’t hurt much, and well. Necrosis in less than 12 hours? Lmfao. Nothing much happened that day. Impossible to eat so I had to stick to shakes and juices and drinks and it SUCKED, I love eating.
Saturday and Sunday had no changes. Random swellings, went away quickly, still juices and drinks. Tried eating stuff because doc told me to but it was quite painful although I did have some. Less than 50 grams in food total per day tho. It is SO PAINFUL because apparently the tongue can’t keep quiet and loves to move by itself.
Yesterday was bad, tried to eat some more and I felt like a stitch popped. I don’t see if it popped or not, and apparently it’s normal that stitches start to dissolve and loose when the days go by. I had more of that white tissue forming in the wound.
Today hasn’t been a good day at all. I decided to go back to the gym, but didn’t do too much. Having no real food for days really does a number on you. I did eat “ solid” foods today. Three eggs, half a piece of bread, and soup for lunch. Delicious, but the pain doesn’t subside quickly. right now what’s fucking me UP is that I feel a sharp pain in my wound when I move the tongue. The stitches? Idk. I would think so. It feels like a sharp pain that stabs me as soon as I move my tongue to say something or to eat. It’s not too bad but it SUCKS.
Another thing. Can’t speak for the life of me yet. I can try and form words and have a conversation, but honestly I sound terrible. I have a lisp when pronouncing the S right now and I feel it’s because it hurts in the stitches when I try so I haven’t. I try to do some stretches every now and then because it’s very painful. Very. Very. Painful. And I feel very weak too because I didn’t eat anything for 4 days other than water and a few juices and some bites of food that I could try. HOWEVER… I do feel more… elasticity? When trying to speak and feel more freedom, so I can’t wait to heal to start talking and practicing more, as I feel rolling the R doesn’t feel too tight anymore.
So quick notes
- NOT an easy recovery process.
- You could eat but it fucking sucks so suddenly food is not so important and my stomach stops growling because it really is THAT painful lol.
- Talking is difficult.
- Yea I’m thinking life choices again. Terrible moods. Probably because of no food.
- Lost 5 pounds, not fun. I needed to lose weight, but not like this.
- As I’m not healed yet I can’t say wether I would do it again now that I know how this is, but sometimes I wish I didn’t. I don’t like pain and even worse if it comes with eating restrictions.
- Bad breath. I have never stunk like this in my life. It gets better when I brush my teeth and tongue but it’s so painful. It does smell like a crazy bad breath and not like rotting meat so that’s good?
- Haven’t noticed any different in neck tension? Never had it on the first place so idk.
- I feel pain in my jaw and my teeth hurt too because sometimes I tighten my mouth too hard without realizing. My tongue is in an entirely new position and now I keep it shut naturally. Good thing I guess. I used to breathe through the mouth without noticing. (Bad)
- I can’t tell but I haven’t noticed snoring? As someone who snore a lot you CAN tell you were snoring bc you wake up sometimes by the vibration of that lion on your throat, but that hasn’t happened. I wake up and my mouth is shut, or slightly open but not too much.
- Libido is crazy but I can’t do nothing (of the fun stuff) at all so :(
2024.03.22 08:07 These_Anteater_3838 Please help. 6mo old tongue/lip tie revision. Please read to the end.
Hi! My son is 6 months old (exclusively breastfed) and had a tongue & lip tie revision via laser on Tuesday.
The procedure itself was extremely traumatic for our baby. He was inconsolable for hours post-frenectomy. Refused to eat for 6 hours, but finally latched later on and then slept for a while. We gave Tylenol so I think that eased him some. I will say that those screams and the look of pure terror in his eyes will stick with me for life.
He is fine now….. until we have to do the stretches. We were told to do them 6x daily for 4 weeks. They also told me to wake him from his sleep to do one stretch in the middle of the night. My baby is screaming so much when I do these exercises that he shakes and turns purple. As of today, he flinches when I come towards him as if I’ve abused him and he’s afraid of me. It’s the most horrific thing I’ve ever experienced. As the time approaches for the next round of stretches, I begin to pace and get nauseated and my hands shake. I can’t eat or sleep. It’s effecting me mentally and my husband as well. He can’t even watch, much less help me out.
The pediatric dentist, speech therapist and lactation consultant assure me that he will not remember this. While I agree that I don’t remember anything from when I was 6 months old, I do believe that trauma/pain is remembered by our brains, bodies and nervous systems. Children who are abused may never remember the events, but they often have life long mental and physical health issues which proves that traumatic event DO stick with us. Does this type of situation (frenectomy) stick with a baby? I’m not sure, but I can tell you that I am constantly wondering if I’m harming my baby’s brain chemistry. Wondering what I could be doing to him psychologically.
My son and I have such a close, extraordinary bond. I stay home with him and have breastfed him skin to skin every 2 hours for 6 months. He has never even taken a bottle. I am his comfort, his happiness, his safe place, him warmth and his peace. HOW is this healthy? How does holding my baby down and creating fear and causing pain SIX TIMES A DAY help him? This feels like torture. Will this tarnish our bond? He looks at me with fear in his eyes right now and I can’t see past this. He wants his mommy but mommy is turning into the bad guy so instead he just cries and the sparkle in his eyes has diminished.
After lots of research, it appears that many pediatric dentists don’t even recommend doing these stretches. Many don’t even believe it works because there have been no long term studies to prove it. It seems to be a big US trend, but other countries don’t suggest it.
How many of you have done stretches vs not and what was your outcome? Do you think they work? Is it worth the hell I am going through? Please, I’m begging, someone give me some advice and guidance because the professions I’m dealing with simply say to keep going and that it isn’t harming him mentally which at this point isn’t helpful at all. I need real advice based off experience. My biggest fear is that it will reattach and we will be back to square one and this was all for nothing.
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The procedure itself was extremely traumatic for our baby. He was inconsolable for hours post-frenectomy. Refused to eat for 6 hours, but finally latched later on and then slept for a while. We gave Tylenol so I think that eased him some. I will say that those screams and the look of pure terror in his eyes will stick with me for life.
He is fine now….. until we have to do the stretches. We were told to do them 6x daily for 4 weeks. They also told me to wake him from his sleep to do one stretch in the middle of the night. My baby is screaming so much when I do these exercises that he shakes and turns purple. As of today, he flinches when I come towards him as if I’ve abused him and he’s afraid of me. It’s the most horrific thing I’ve ever experienced. As the time approaches for the next round of stretches, I begin to pace and get nauseated and my hands shake. I can’t eat or sleep. It’s effecting me mentally and my husband as well. He can’t even watch, much less help me out.
The pediatric dentist, speech therapist and lactation consultant assure me that he will not remember this. While I agree that I don’t remember anything from when I was 6 months old, I do believe that trauma/pain is remembered by our brains, bodies and nervous systems. Children who are abused may never remember the events, but they often have life long mental and physical health issues which proves that traumatic event DO stick with us. Does this type of situation (frenectomy) stick with a baby? I’m not sure, but I can tell you that I am constantly wondering if I’m harming my baby’s brain chemistry. Wondering what I could be doing to him psychologically.
My son and I have such a close, extraordinary bond. I stay home with him and have breastfed him skin to skin every 2 hours for 6 months. He has never even taken a bottle. I am his comfort, his happiness, his safe place, him warmth and his peace. HOW is this healthy? How does holding my baby down and creating fear and causing pain SIX TIMES A DAY help him? This feels like torture. Will this tarnish our bond? He looks at me with fear in his eyes right now and I can’t see past this. He wants his mommy but mommy is turning into the bad guy so instead he just cries and the sparkle in his eyes has diminished.
After lots of research, it appears that many pediatric dentists don’t even recommend doing these stretches. Many don’t even believe it works because there have been no long term studies to prove it. It seems to be a big US trend, but other countries don’t suggest it.
How many of you have done stretches vs not and what was your outcome? Do you think they work? Is it worth the hell I am going through? Please, I’m begging, someone give me some advice and guidance because the professions I’m dealing with simply say to keep going and that it isn’t harming him mentally which at this point isn’t helpful at all. I need real advice based off experience. My biggest fear is that it will reattach and we will be back to square one and this was all for nothing.
2024.03.15 23:33 UchuuPup Tongue lengthening routine
This subreddit had a discussion 3 years ago regarding how to lengthen your tongue, but the paper linked (the title is "The effects of tongue stretching exercise on tongue length in healthy adults: a preliminary study") unfortunately doesn't provide a whole lot of detail on how to actually do it. In my conversation with the assistant to the body mod artist who will soon be splitting my tongue, that artist sent me more detailed instructions, as a better alternative to getting lingual frenectomy (which he told me wouldn't help me much unless I'm actually tongue tied, and my dentist told me I'm not).
This tongue stretching routine was sent to them by one of their clients. He sent it to me verbatim, so I'm going to post it here verbatim too:
Here’s that research paper I mentioned. It gave really basic methodology in the paper for tongue lengthening for improved swallowing but I refined some parts for for my specific goal. I didn’t measure with a ruler but by estimating I would say I gained anywhere from 3/4in to 1in in tongue length following this method for the month and a half leading up to the appointment. The tip also became thinner and pointer and began to develop a curl when extended down to my chin.
Supplies-
2x2 gauze
gloves
Method-
For four or five consecutive days, stretch tongue manually at least 10 times daily by applying dry gauze to tongue and pulling it straight out with a slight upwards tilt with two hands. In the first week, pull tongue in 30 second increments but gradually increase the time of the stretch as the tongue becomes accustomed to the stretching.
The pull should be very firm and may be mildly uncomfortable in the first week as the tongue adapts to the exercise but the stretch should never be painful. The frenulum may experience slight bruising and swelling in the first weeks. Taking two to three consecutive days a week of no stretching is crucial in allowing the tongue muscles to repair the strained tissue, enabling the tongue to retain it’s new length.
After the tongue is easily stretched with two hands and has length retention, incorporate one handed pulls into the stretching regime where you pull only on the tip of the tongue. This practice will create extra length and sharpness at the tip of the tongue, allowing for pointer, thinner tips once the tongue is split.
Unfortunately, the assistant is no longer in touch with that client and was not able to either confirm or deny whether the paper the client mentioned is that same paper. The number of stretches per day in the paper is 30 rather than 10, but it probably is the same paper. Neither was he able to clarify what specifically the "30 second increments" part means. My interpretation is, you start with 30 seconds on the first day, then one minute on the second day, up to 2.5 minutes on day 5, then 2 days of rest, and then continue 2.5 minute stretches in perpetuity (with more breaks), but that's just my personal best guess of what the client meant.
Did anyone else here ever try this kind of stretching routine? In any case, I'm at the end of my 2nd week and will share how it goes. I'm erring on the side of caution, making sure that mild discomfort never turns into actual pain, since I read about people in this subreddit ripping their tongues too much some 12 years ago.
I also plan to experiment with the yoga practice of kechari mudra - exercising your tongue to get into the nasal cavity. Would be cool to combine that trick with the split tongue if I manage to master it, let's see where I'll be in a couple months.
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This tongue stretching routine was sent to them by one of their clients. He sent it to me verbatim, so I'm going to post it here verbatim too:
Here’s that research paper I mentioned. It gave really basic methodology in the paper for tongue lengthening for improved swallowing but I refined some parts for for my specific goal. I didn’t measure with a ruler but by estimating I would say I gained anywhere from 3/4in to 1in in tongue length following this method for the month and a half leading up to the appointment. The tip also became thinner and pointer and began to develop a curl when extended down to my chin.
Supplies-
2x2 gauze
gloves
Method-
For four or five consecutive days, stretch tongue manually at least 10 times daily by applying dry gauze to tongue and pulling it straight out with a slight upwards tilt with two hands. In the first week, pull tongue in 30 second increments but gradually increase the time of the stretch as the tongue becomes accustomed to the stretching.
The pull should be very firm and may be mildly uncomfortable in the first week as the tongue adapts to the exercise but the stretch should never be painful. The frenulum may experience slight bruising and swelling in the first weeks. Taking two to three consecutive days a week of no stretching is crucial in allowing the tongue muscles to repair the strained tissue, enabling the tongue to retain it’s new length.
After the tongue is easily stretched with two hands and has length retention, incorporate one handed pulls into the stretching regime where you pull only on the tip of the tongue. This practice will create extra length and sharpness at the tip of the tongue, allowing for pointer, thinner tips once the tongue is split.
Unfortunately, the assistant is no longer in touch with that client and was not able to either confirm or deny whether the paper the client mentioned is that same paper. The number of stretches per day in the paper is 30 rather than 10, but it probably is the same paper. Neither was he able to clarify what specifically the "30 second increments" part means. My interpretation is, you start with 30 seconds on the first day, then one minute on the second day, up to 2.5 minutes on day 5, then 2 days of rest, and then continue 2.5 minute stretches in perpetuity (with more breaks), but that's just my personal best guess of what the client meant.
Did anyone else here ever try this kind of stretching routine? In any case, I'm at the end of my 2nd week and will share how it goes. I'm erring on the side of caution, making sure that mild discomfort never turns into actual pain, since I read about people in this subreddit ripping their tongues too much some 12 years ago.
I also plan to experiment with the yoga practice of kechari mudra - exercising your tongue to get into the nasal cavity. Would be cool to combine that trick with the split tongue if I manage to master it, let's see where I'll be in a couple months.
2024.02.20 23:26 Kozypepper I went to the dentist and had a scary procedure today.
I’ve (27f) battled with mental health for years, and my dental health was impacted. I had a lot of guilt and shame about my lack of dental care and ended up not going to the dentist for 5 years. About a year ago, I found a dentist with good reviews about being kind and nonjudgmental. I had a lot of anxiety but went and found out I had tons of cavities (expected) gums had pockets (5-7mm across most teeth) and I felt a lot of shame. But the team was so kind and has been helping me improve my oral health and get over my anxiety of the dentist. Got my gums treated, deep cleanings and cavities filled.
Today, I had a cleaning and the hygienist mentioned how much progress my gums have made. My 5-6mm pockets are all now 1-3mm (except one 4mm). Which apparently is really good. Today I also had to get a frenectomy which I found really scary and had a lot of anxiety about it this week. I wanted to bail SO BAD but I’ve made so much progress so I went through with the procedure and it wasn’t scary at all.
TLDR: after years of neglect and shame I’m working on improving my dental health ☺️
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Today, I had a cleaning and the hygienist mentioned how much progress my gums have made. My 5-6mm pockets are all now 1-3mm (except one 4mm). Which apparently is really good. Today I also had to get a frenectomy which I found really scary and had a lot of anxiety about it this week. I wanted to bail SO BAD but I’ve made so much progress so I went through with the procedure and it wasn’t scary at all.
TLDR: after years of neglect and shame I’m working on improving my dental health ☺️
2024.02.03 16:18 BeginningofNeverEnd To clip or not to clip
Sorry for the long post…there’s just so much to say.
My sweet baby girl is 12 weeks old and the light of mine & my wife’s life. She is thriving in all aspects of development (social smile, laughs, strong neck control, reaches for objects, babbles, etc) but one thing has plagued us continually since she was born - slow growth.
She has always, no matter what, gained somewhere between 1/2 to 3/4 ounces per day. No issue with jaundice, always had more than enough wet and poopy diapers, just was persistently gaining less than they wanted. After a nightmare of stressful appointments and an awful experience with our first provider, our wonderful new pediatrician wasn’t truly worried at our 2 month appointment - she said she looked great! But she did have some torticollis to stretch out in OT and a nutrition consult wouldn’t hurt, but she was fine with not seeing us for another 2 months if nutrition was ok with things.
Up until that point we had, per the advice of the previous pediatrician, been giving 1-2 ounces of pumped milk in a bottle after every breastfeeding session. Her weighted feeds showed totally appropriate milk transfer for age every time, but they wanted the extra milk on board anyhow since her weight gain with even the right amount of milk transfer wasn’t an ounce a day. Well…that 2 month appointment was basically the last time our baby took a bottle with every meal. She started flat out refusing the bottle just a few days later, and when we pushed her (big mistake) she started to refuse to nurse too. After almost 36 hours of refusing to eat more than a few sips here or there, we put away the bottles and just focused on the breast being pleasant for her again by using Rowena Bennett’s method but adapted for breastfeeding. Luckily she took back to it and started gaining again, but that was scary!
Virtual nutrition consult the following week yielded a request to fortify the extra milk we were trying to give her - they said technically her weight gain qualified for slight malnutrition but that all her other vitals & behaviors refuted that assessment so they just wanted more calories in smaller quantities to help with catch up weight - and we had to tell them she was refusing bottles completely now. We even tried the SNS we used when she was a few weeks old and she rejected nursing when trying to use it, so we backed off out of fear. She would tolerate some cup feeding but spills it all over herself and will push the milk back out if she doesn’t want it. Just thinking about how frustratingly scary that time was is enough to make me want to cry. She is officially a kiddo who not only won’t take a bottle anymore, but has never liked a pacifier either. So unless it is a breast, don’t hold your breath. We continue to try without pressure out of fear she’ll nurse strike again, and she settles on taking 1-2 ounces extra a day.
At 10 weeks old, we see the lactation consultant we have been working with to get advice from - unexpectedly, she diagnoses a progressive tongue tie, one she said is elastic enough she can’t say for sure should be clipped but might benefit from it if it keeps progressing. We ask our pediatrician for a speech pathology referral for assessment - sure enough, despite being told numerous times that she didn’t have a tie when first evaluated, the SLP gives her an 8 on the scale of tongue restriction; 7 or below is auto referral to ENT for frenectomy, 8-11 is a grey area where the tongue tie should be considered for frenectomy but it isn’t as obvious a choice.
She’s now 12 weeks and is in the “only needs to gain 0.6 ounces a day” age range, and suddenly…there is no weight gain issue anymore?? Her last weight check showed 18 grams a day, so right on target per her dr and the hospital IBCLC was very pleased. We are getting occasional cup feeds in but still no more than 1-2 ounces extra a day, all the rest is breastfeeding. But now we have this tantalizing opportunity to push for a tongue tip clip with the thought that maybe it fixes everything…but is there even enough of a problem now to justify it? What if her getting the procedure makes her reject things in her mouth again, like with the bottle refusal & temp nursing strike? I’m so afraid to pursue it bc of how old she is and how aware she is - I’m worried she’ll hate eating again! But my wife is worried if we delay, we might need it eventually if her weight slows again and she’d be even older….
What would you do? Anyone else in a similar boat? It’s so controversial now I feel to just get it done out of caution - is this enough reason to pursue it?
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My sweet baby girl is 12 weeks old and the light of mine & my wife’s life. She is thriving in all aspects of development (social smile, laughs, strong neck control, reaches for objects, babbles, etc) but one thing has plagued us continually since she was born - slow growth.
She has always, no matter what, gained somewhere between 1/2 to 3/4 ounces per day. No issue with jaundice, always had more than enough wet and poopy diapers, just was persistently gaining less than they wanted. After a nightmare of stressful appointments and an awful experience with our first provider, our wonderful new pediatrician wasn’t truly worried at our 2 month appointment - she said she looked great! But she did have some torticollis to stretch out in OT and a nutrition consult wouldn’t hurt, but she was fine with not seeing us for another 2 months if nutrition was ok with things.
Up until that point we had, per the advice of the previous pediatrician, been giving 1-2 ounces of pumped milk in a bottle after every breastfeeding session. Her weighted feeds showed totally appropriate milk transfer for age every time, but they wanted the extra milk on board anyhow since her weight gain with even the right amount of milk transfer wasn’t an ounce a day. Well…that 2 month appointment was basically the last time our baby took a bottle with every meal. She started flat out refusing the bottle just a few days later, and when we pushed her (big mistake) she started to refuse to nurse too. After almost 36 hours of refusing to eat more than a few sips here or there, we put away the bottles and just focused on the breast being pleasant for her again by using Rowena Bennett’s method but adapted for breastfeeding. Luckily she took back to it and started gaining again, but that was scary!
Virtual nutrition consult the following week yielded a request to fortify the extra milk we were trying to give her - they said technically her weight gain qualified for slight malnutrition but that all her other vitals & behaviors refuted that assessment so they just wanted more calories in smaller quantities to help with catch up weight - and we had to tell them she was refusing bottles completely now. We even tried the SNS we used when she was a few weeks old and she rejected nursing when trying to use it, so we backed off out of fear. She would tolerate some cup feeding but spills it all over herself and will push the milk back out if she doesn’t want it. Just thinking about how frustratingly scary that time was is enough to make me want to cry. She is officially a kiddo who not only won’t take a bottle anymore, but has never liked a pacifier either. So unless it is a breast, don’t hold your breath. We continue to try without pressure out of fear she’ll nurse strike again, and she settles on taking 1-2 ounces extra a day.
At 10 weeks old, we see the lactation consultant we have been working with to get advice from - unexpectedly, she diagnoses a progressive tongue tie, one she said is elastic enough she can’t say for sure should be clipped but might benefit from it if it keeps progressing. We ask our pediatrician for a speech pathology referral for assessment - sure enough, despite being told numerous times that she didn’t have a tie when first evaluated, the SLP gives her an 8 on the scale of tongue restriction; 7 or below is auto referral to ENT for frenectomy, 8-11 is a grey area where the tongue tie should be considered for frenectomy but it isn’t as obvious a choice.
She’s now 12 weeks and is in the “only needs to gain 0.6 ounces a day” age range, and suddenly…there is no weight gain issue anymore?? Her last weight check showed 18 grams a day, so right on target per her dr and the hospital IBCLC was very pleased. We are getting occasional cup feeds in but still no more than 1-2 ounces extra a day, all the rest is breastfeeding. But now we have this tantalizing opportunity to push for a tongue tip clip with the thought that maybe it fixes everything…but is there even enough of a problem now to justify it? What if her getting the procedure makes her reject things in her mouth again, like with the bottle refusal & temp nursing strike? I’m so afraid to pursue it bc of how old she is and how aware she is - I’m worried she’ll hate eating again! But my wife is worried if we delay, we might need it eventually if her weight slows again and she’d be even older….
What would you do? Anyone else in a similar boat? It’s so controversial now I feel to just get it done out of caution - is this enough reason to pursue it?
2024.02.03 04:47 lilliesandlilacs Question for folks who have closed or are close to closing their front teeth gap
I'm on tray 28/34, I think maybe two more trays until the packaging starts saying “overcorrection”, so pretty close to being done (not counting refinements if I need them obv). For the past several trays, now that my gap between my front teeth is being completely closed, my gums have been SOO sore, inflamed, and painful (I posted about it here then talked to my ortho, they offered to shave down my trays which doesn’t really solve my problem with the tissue between the front teeth). The backs of my aligners cut into the gums because they’re so swollen, and whenever I take them out the gum tissue squished between my front teeth hurt and bleed. The pain is worse than the very first week, and lasts up until like the last day or two of the tray, then it starts all over again when I switch. My ortho said prior to treatment that a frenectomy might be necessary, which is fine, whatever. But they also said that that procedure won’t happen until after I’m finished with all of my trays, refinements, all of it.
My question is, am I going to be in this much pain for the remainder of my treatment? Did you go through something similar, what helped relieve the gum pain? Frenectomy? Gingivectomy? I gotta admit, after the smooth sailing trays 2-20 something were, I was surprised with how much these past few weeks have sucked lol. 😓
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My question is, am I going to be in this much pain for the remainder of my treatment? Did you go through something similar, what helped relieve the gum pain? Frenectomy? Gingivectomy? I gotta admit, after the smooth sailing trays 2-20 something were, I was surprised with how much these past few weeks have sucked lol. 😓
2024.01.28 22:35 TheyCallMeGaddy Lip Tie (almost 3)
Has anyone else had to deal with a ip tie in an older child?
Mom and I were able to notice a tongue tie on his younger sister before she was a year old because she was colicky and really fussy... but with my son who is 15 months older and nearly 3 now I fear we may have missed a lip tie that may need corrected. He didn't seem to struggle with much eating or babbling early on so until his speech started to develop and at a seeming slow rate.... i couldn't see any signs. He struggles with prounouncing b,m,p sounds and basically refuses to attempt them. His picky eating is enough to drive chef dad through a wall and has been for some time now ( a symptom til now i didn't even know was associated with a lip tie).
In short, has anyone here dealt with a similar problem with their 2-4 year old?
What did you do? How did they respond to it? If bad, how bad and for how long?
Is there an alternative to frenectomy? Did it work? Did fixing the lip tie help with the picky eating this late in the game? Did it improve their speech?
Asking for any and all helpful advice or experiences with lip ties, but especially if it was fixed/noticed in an older child.
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Mom and I were able to notice a tongue tie on his younger sister before she was a year old because she was colicky and really fussy... but with my son who is 15 months older and nearly 3 now I fear we may have missed a lip tie that may need corrected. He didn't seem to struggle with much eating or babbling early on so until his speech started to develop and at a seeming slow rate.... i couldn't see any signs. He struggles with prounouncing b,m,p sounds and basically refuses to attempt them. His picky eating is enough to drive chef dad through a wall and has been for some time now ( a symptom til now i didn't even know was associated with a lip tie).
In short, has anyone here dealt with a similar problem with their 2-4 year old?
What did you do? How did they respond to it? If bad, how bad and for how long?
Is there an alternative to frenectomy? Did it work? Did fixing the lip tie help with the picky eating this late in the game? Did it improve their speech?
Asking for any and all helpful advice or experiences with lip ties, but especially if it was fixed/noticed in an older child.
2024.01.27 00:39 yellowpoof10 Allograft Gum Grafting Surgery (Canada)
 | Image order: submitted by yellowpoof10 to PeriodontalDisease [link] [comments] Invisalign Before and After. Sets: Before Surgery, After Surgery, Day 3 Post-Op Hi everyone, I wanted to share my experience. When I found out I needed this surgery, I did lots of research but found very little information or experiences, particularly with alloderm/ donor tissue. Feel free to correct me if any of the facts I hold true are incorrect. I was afraid of using my own tissue from the roof of my mouth. Primarily because when I burn the roof of my mouth I know I am miserable for days! I couldn’t imagine having an entire strip of skin removed. Knowing it takes longer than the actual surgery to heal was also a huge negative to me. I’ve heard it takes about 2-3 months for the roof. You can only do 3-4 teeth at once, but with alloderm, you can do as many as you need or can stand in one session. Lastly, it would be another site to heal. About me: I’ve had gum recession since I was in my early 20s. I’m 32. Two years ago I had an appointment with a gum specialist (after my dentist pushed for it). Turns out I had a lot of factors working against me that would cause the recession again in the future. At that time, I would’ve required 5-6 teeth. I decided to do everything I could on my end prior to the gum grafting surgery to have a successful surgery. I have recently started on a health improvement journey. My naturopath recommended I take 2000mg of Vitamin C to help the healing. My Dental Plan (1-3) Step 1: I started with removing my wisdom teeth (all 4 at once). I was awake for it. I had been too scared to do it in my early teens and wish I had back then. Step 2: A few months later I started on Invisalign. I was on it for a year and 4 months. Really happy with the results. But as I was warned, the gum recession would be worse after Invisalign. I now require 12 teeth. And the ones that already had recession are so much worse. I have posted images. Step 3: Gum Grafting. Although I was told that using my own tissue would be the gold standard with the best results, I decided to use alloderm or donor tissue. My surgeon said she uses something called Zimmerderm because you don’t have to worry about allergies. (Alloderm is a term used freely to refer to donor tissue but it is actually a brand name). For those that don’t know, it is harvested from bodies donated to science. They have been screened and sanitized. In my mind, I have convinced myself that it has been so processed it is basically plastic! The reason for my choice is from what I listed above and because of the number of teeth I’d need now. I can’t imagine how many sessions I’d need. I want to get this all over and done with as soon as possible. I also don’t trust that the regenerated tissue from my palate would be as good as the first time around. The third option was tissue from a pig. Surgery Day I had my surgery earlier this week (Jan 23, 2024). Due to the number of teeth I needed, I have to do the right side first and the left side another time. There was so much anticipation. I cried, I stressed, it would keep me up at night. I was petrified and had been dreading it for 2-3 years. Once I got there, the surgeon was so kind. I asked if it would be a good idea to take anything before and she said to take 3 Advils (total of 600mg), so I did. I also brought my travel blanket with me to keep warm and to avoid shock. I was a bit cold even with the blanket so I am really happy I brought it with me. She told me she would take some X-rays and that she would not start until I was frozen and she had my permission. She let me know that I was the boss. If I needed anything all I had to do was raise my arm and she’d stop everything immediately. She went over what the procedure would be again and I had to sign a waiver. She told me everything she was doing every step of the way. First, she asked me to close my eyes and wiggle my hands and toes while she froze me. This really helped reduce the pain from the needle. She then did a freezing check to make sure I couldn’t feel anything. Then she told me she would give my teeth a cleaning. Then she would ask for my consent to start on the procedure. I would feel a lot of pressure when she would lift my gums. Followed by scrapping. Then the tissue would go in and she’d be sewing for a long time! I’m not sure what it was because after that she would say she would start with the stitches. I thought they were done already! I also needed a frenectomy. This is the little piece of skin that connects your lip to your gums. It is found under your tongue as well. They just pulled at my lower lip and snipped it. Then she moved on to the other areas and would ask for my consent each time. I really appreciated her because she kept my mind off everything by chatting with the dental assistant. She would also give positive affirmations like “perfect, this looks great”, “you’re doing great!”, “I have nothing exciting to tell you, everything is going as planned.” I did 8 teeth in one sitting. This took 2.5 hours. This time also included the X-rays she took prior. The bottom two middle teeth took the longest to do, this is because my recession was very, very low and the gums were really thin. I asked her to freeze me again before I left to buy myself a little more time. She gave me an instruction sheet to follow. But her biggest advice, which she iterated twice, was to not check on it. Pulling your lip away will pull the graft from your tooth and away from the blood supply. She said things heal best when they are left alone. The cost on average per tooth is $1,300 CAD. Once I left, we went over to Shoppers Drug Mart to dispense the antibiotics, a mouthwash, and extra strength Motrin (600mg). The wait was 45 minutes so we decided to go to I.D.A pharmacy instead. They did it in 5 minutes. Once I got home there was quite a bit of blood. My biggest issue is that I can’t swallow pills on a good day. With surgery it was even harder. I actually choked on the water! I took the Motrin and the antibiotics. I went straight to bed and watched TV. I also took a nap. I iced it all day. I found using a face mask would hold the ice in place. I did not talk all day, although at night when I was half asleep and had to take my pills, I did talk to my fiancé by accident. I had a protein powder drink for breakfast. I prepared by buying some Freshouse juices, most of nut milks that I find to be tasty and filling. I had one for lunch and a sweeter one as a late snack. I bought some soups from Nature’s Emporium which I had for dinner. I also bought some jello and pudding which I have not had yet. You can’t drink from a straw or spit or chew. I found using a spoon was hard too. I have been alternating every 2-3 hours with Motrin (600 mg) and then Tylenol (500mg) on the first day. The antibiotics are needed 3 times a day and the mouthwash I was told to use it that first night and then morning and night (but can’t eat an hour after using it). Of course, always follow the instructions given by your specialist. This is to give you an idea of what you might be prescribed. (She also prescribed Tylenol 3 but I decided not to get it). The pain has been manageable. The ice really helps too. I find if you keep on a regular pain relief schedule, you can beat the pain before it starts up again. I slept with my head raised, using a neck pillow helped keep my head in place. I was a bit nervous to put in my Invisalign night tray retainers. I figured I could skip one night since I haven’t talked or chewed, hopefully they haven’t shifted. Day 2 I woke up this morning with no pain. I only feel pain if I move my jaw or lips or mouth. I also have a bit of swelling which is normal. I only taste blood today when it comes from the front 2 teeth. I was too scared to pop in my Invisalign night time retainers so I didn’t do it. I was able to sleep more. Day 3 The swelling is about the same. I held my chin down but slightly moved my lip to see how everything was looking. They look purple and no foul odor which is a good sign I believe. Had a small white patch that the surgeon said was okay (either gunk or a bit of the tissue popping through). I cut down my Invisalign night retainers so they wouldn’t go anywhere near my gums. They went in a bit tight but it was okay. Day 4 Slightly less swelling in my face. Can open my mouth a bit more to talk a little bit and eat with a spoon. The areas feel sore and my face is a bit numb but I think it’s normal. I am feeling positive and quite happy with the post-op images. I hope they heal well. I hope the risk I took in using donor tissue pays off. I have added my post-op images as well. I hope this post gives everyone else more information to make a confident decision with their tissue choice. My stitches should be removed next Wednesday (Jan 31, 2024). I will update with images. |
2024.01.10 23:42 Sudden-Treat9047 Stage 4 tongue tie at 12 months
Hi! My 12 month old son had his first little dentist appointment today (he has 3 teeth and 5 coming in🫣). The appointment was going better than expected, for a 1 year old to tolerate at least. As soon as the dentist opened his mouth and asked me, “when he’s nursing, you’re not in terrible pain?” I sort of chuckled back because I thought he was asking because of all the teeth he already had and replied, “nope not at all! He might have made me numb there by this point.” Then he says, “well I ask because he has class 4 tongue ties.” I was shocked. I don’t know too much about tongue ties, except for babies that have them can be harder to breastfeed. Which wasn’t our case, he’s exclusively breast fed for 12 months now and he’s a healthy 28 pounds- exceeding milestones. The dentist shows me where his gums seem to be basically forming at the top of his front teeth and where the tie is on the bottom of his tongue. I felt terrible for not knowing this sooner. His pediatrician has checked his mouth at every single checkup and never mentioned anything. Now that I know, some things are making sense. He’s never stuck his tongue out super far while eating or playing (I never even thought to view this as a red flag), he had terrible reflux as a baby and he does eat his foods really slowly (I thought this was just his personality or due to his teething) and he’s a very light/ stubborn sleeper (waking up 3-4 times a night to nurse). He’s a very happy, healthy boy. But I don’t want this to affect his speech or anything further down the line. The dentist said they can perform a laser frenectomy that will completely fix the ties and will be a painless 5-10 minute procedure with minimal healing time. I guess the whole point of this rant is 1) has anyone else’s little ones had this done? How was the procedure/ did you see a difference in behavio sleeping after? 2) shouldn’t his pediatrician seen this?! The dentist saw it in 4 seconds and if this is something I would’ve known when he was an infant, he might have not have had such terrible reflux/ sleeping patterns.
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2024.01.09 03:35 Creative-Care1971 For Tongue-tie/Frenectomy/Myofunctional Therapy: Cannot Recommend These Enough! Silicone Finger Cots
 | One word: FORKLIFT (iykyk!) submitted by Creative-Care1971 to PediatricDentistry [link] [comments] For stretching pre- and post-frenectomy (frenulotomy, frenuloplasty, ankyloglossia, tongue-tie release or revision)—goes by many names… THESE made stretching and exercises SO much less painful, so more effective, so much more sanitary, SO much better! LINK IN COMMENTS I’m a 41yo woman, 3 weeks post-frenectomy, and let—me—tell—you—— doing those stretches on myself, after release of a severe tongue tie, was so painful (and difficult to sustain position) with bare fingers, no matter how far is shaved down my nails, or manipulated my angle. With these on, they become slippery and completely reduce friction while giving you a nice, deep, thicker stretch because of the squishy silicone. If you or someone you love is having a frenectomy procedure, I can’t recommend these enough. It’s really the difference between me doing my stretches or not. My fingers just feels so invasive and not effective. Note: My babies had the procedure done because we were having breastfeeding issues, and perhaps these silicone covers would’ve been too thick for their little mouth’s, but then I would have purchased the very thin (condom-like:) fingercots on Amazon…had I known about them. Just had to put my recommendation out there for patients, parents, therapists, lactation, dental, and healthcare peeps. |
2024.01.09 03:32 Creative-Care1971 For Tongue-tie/Frenectomy/Myofunctional Therapy: Cannot Recommend These Enough! Silicone Finger Cots
 | One word: FORKLIFT (iykyk!) submitted by Creative-Care1971 to orthotropics [link] [comments] For stretching pre- and post-frenectomy (frenulotomy, frenuloplasty, ankyloglossia, tongue-tie release or revision)—goes by many names… THESE made stretching and exercises SO much less painful, so more effective, so much more sanitary, SO much better! LINK IN COMMENTS I’m a 41yo woman, 3 weeks post-frenectomy, and let—me—tell—you—— doing those stretches on myself, after release of a severe tongue tie, was so painful (and difficult to sustain position) with bare fingers, no matter how far is shaved down my nails, or manipulated my angle. With these on, they become slippery and completely reduce friction while giving you a nice, deep, thicker stretch because of the squishy silicone. If you or someone you love is having a frenectomy procedure, I can’t recommend these enough. It’s really the difference between me doing my stretches or not. My fingers just feels so invasive and not effective. Note: My babies had the procedure done because we were having breastfeeding issues, and perhaps these silicone covers would’ve been too thick for their little mouth’s, but then I would have purchased the very thin (condom-like:) fingercots on Amazon…had I known about them. Just had to put my recommendation out there for patients, parents, therapists, lactation, dental, and healthcare peeps. |
2024.01.09 03:31 Creative-Care1971 For Tongue-tie/Frenectomy/Myofunctional Therapy: Cannot Recommend These Enough!
 | One word: FORKLIFT (iykyk!) submitted by Creative-Care1971 to breastfeedingsupport [link] [comments] For stretching pre- and post-frenectomy (frenulotomy, frenuloplasty, ankyloglossia, tongue-tie release or revision)—goes by many names… THESE made stretching and exercises SO much less painful, so more effective, so much more sanitary, SO much better! LINK IN COMMENTS I’m a 41yo woman, 3 weeks post-frenectomy, and let—me—tell—you—— doing those stretches on myself, after release of a severe tongue tie, was so painful (and difficult to sustain position) with bare fingers, no matter how far is shaved down my nails, or manipulated my angle. With these on, they become slippery and completely reduce friction while giving you a nice, deep, thicker stretch because of the squishy silicone. If you or someone you love is having a frenectomy procedure, I can’t recommend these enough. It’s really the difference between me doing my stretches or not. My fingers just feels so invasive and not effective. Note: My babies had the procedure done because we were having breastfeeding issues, and perhaps these silicone covers would’ve been too thick for their little mouth’s, but then I would have purchased the very thin (condom-like:) fingercots on Amazon…had I known about them. Just had to put my recommendation out there for patients, parents, therapists, lactation, dental, and healthcare peeps. |
2023.12.21 00:05 LoveJillyKitty Retainer
I got my braces off at the end of November and received the Essex retainer. Since then I have had one issue after another with it. I keep reaching out to my orthodontist about these issues, but does not seem anything is being fixed. I’ve been diligent wearing them, but I’m at a point where I can’t wear the top ones. Due to how my bite is settling, my bottom tooth was hitting the top tooth. The ortho fixed that by adjusting the plastic retainer. With that being said, the retainer is super tight around the molars now to where it’s cutting off the blood supply. I have sensitive teeth and have been told to get a fixed retainer. Of course everyone has their own opinions on fixed retainers, but I hope to get fixed top and bottom so I don’t have anymore pain with the plastic. I have an appointment next Thursday, but I can’t wear the top retainer. Will my teeth shift that much? This ortho also doesn’t promote fixed because the side teeth can shift, but been told they don’t shift with fixed. ’m also thinking about switching orthos because I feel like we’re not seeing eye to eye on things. And due to how my bottom front teeth shifted, I’ve been told I need a frenectomy because the frenum is pulling down the gum. If the bottom teeth move a little back more, would I need a frenectomy?
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2023.11.18 06:23 Sweet_Shine_6691 Wondering if anyone can relate to these feelings
First time mom here~ I tend to go down a negative thought pattern that something is wrong with me when things don’t follow the expected plan.
My LO is 10 weeks. My dream natural birth turned into an emergency C section. My milk didn’t come in for days, and in my ignorance I pumped a few times per day while trying to figure out nursing with no success for several weeks. I gave mostly formula.
My LO had a severe lip tie, and posterior tongue tie. We got a frenectomy with a laser which was so scary but my baby healed and still we couldn’t get a consistent latch or transfer a decent amount of milk.
I eventually got a lactation consultant who I have seen for 5 weeks. I do tongue exercises. My LC determined exclusive pumping would be the best way to keep my supply up as much as possible and feed my baby breast milk.
I can’t help the intrusive thoughts- Something is wrong with my body. Everyone else can do this with no problem. I can’t even get my baby to latch well after all this work and inflicting pain.
I have only made it 2 months so far. I’m pumping 8-9 times/ day. How the hell is this sustainable for 6 months… a year?!?
If I give formula (which I rarely do) it gives him gas and I feel so guilty.
Has anyone made it 1 year with making just barely enough? No backup. No freezer storage?
Will I be able to make it?!?
Will I ever not feel like a failure with a malfunctioning body?? 😞
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My LO is 10 weeks. My dream natural birth turned into an emergency C section. My milk didn’t come in for days, and in my ignorance I pumped a few times per day while trying to figure out nursing with no success for several weeks. I gave mostly formula.
My LO had a severe lip tie, and posterior tongue tie. We got a frenectomy with a laser which was so scary but my baby healed and still we couldn’t get a consistent latch or transfer a decent amount of milk.
I eventually got a lactation consultant who I have seen for 5 weeks. I do tongue exercises. My LC determined exclusive pumping would be the best way to keep my supply up as much as possible and feed my baby breast milk.
I can’t help the intrusive thoughts- Something is wrong with my body. Everyone else can do this with no problem. I can’t even get my baby to latch well after all this work and inflicting pain.
I have only made it 2 months so far. I’m pumping 8-9 times/ day. How the hell is this sustainable for 6 months… a year?!?
If I give formula (which I rarely do) it gives him gas and I feel so guilty.
Has anyone made it 1 year with making just barely enough? No backup. No freezer storage?
Will I be able to make it?!?
Will I ever not feel like a failure with a malfunctioning body?? 😞
2023.11.15 01:07 No_Document_1468 Tongue tie release
When my baby was born he had a tongue tie preventing him from nursing properly. We got it snipped when he was around 5 days old. I had a rough birth to say the least which ended with an emergency c section which got infected and I was totally not in a good headspace when it happened. The doctor gave us a bunch of stretches to do for it, but due to everything going on and how overwhelming everything was I didn’t do them. He is now 5 weeks old and having trouble latching again. I can’t help but feel awful that I didn’t do the stretches. I feel so awful like a bad mom, I didn’t have time to properly research the procedure at the time because my head was in a million places and I was in so much pain. Had I realized how important the stretches were I would have done them. I don’t want to have to have him get it redone, I read online that it could be bad to redo the frenectomy since it could cause too much scar tissue to build, not sure if anyone knows about this. I am wondering if anyone has any experience with this, and if the stretches could potentially help now even though it’s healed up now.
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2023.08.31 02:36 Routine-Register-575 Crown prep caused atypical TN
This is long and I am sorry.
So let's preface all of this by saying the following: I have severe dental phobia from decades of unpleasant dental, orthodontic and periodontic procedures and genetic gum recession and crappy teeth in general. (Braces from 10 years old to 14 years old - extremely painful palate bar, gums cut to attach braces to teeth that hadn't come down yet, etc- over a dozen fillings, 2 crowns, 4 wisdom teeth reoved, frenectomy) I also suffer from depression and anxiety.
I had a filling break on tooth 14 so I went in to see a dentist. He said I need a crown because that tooth had too big of a filling to replace. Due to the above issues, I asked to just have the tooth pulled. He refused. I balked at the crown because all I had was minimal weird feeling in that tooth. A dear friend of mine who is a dental assistant convinced me that a tooth removal wasn't in my best interests so after researching sedation dentistry and coming up empty handed locally (rural Michigan) and feeling sticker shock from the cost in Appleton, wi, Milwaukee WI and Chicago, il offices that do perform them ($6000+ for one tooth), I gave up and went local.
I self medicated with anti anxiety meds according to one protocol of a sedation dentistry office in Wisconsin and braced myself. When I was in the chair, the dentist said I actually needed a crown on the tooth next to the one with the broken filling too. I burst into tears and asked him to do both right then and there because I was NOT coming back to do another. He agreed. $3000 later the prep on both teeth was done.
A couple days later, the pain started. It was... Ghastly. The left side of my face was pulsing in pain from my upper left teeth, left sinus, left eye, left ear and down along my left mandible along the tooth line. I was crying in agony in bed. I started heavily medicating with ibuprofen and it seemed to help. But days passed and I had no improvement.
Finally I called the dentist and said I thought I had an infection. He got me right in, took X-rays, did an exam and found nothing wrong. He recommended I swish with salt water and take ibuprofen. I said I was already taking 800mg of ibuprofen every 5-6 hours. He wouldn't prescribe anything else. I called my PCP and she prescribed ketorolac, a stronger NSAID than ibuprofen. The days went on and the pain did not stop. I started alternating in the leftover tramadol from my frenectomy.
Fast forward to almost two weeks post crown prep. Crowns have come in but first available appt wasn't til a week later. I begged for a root canal on both teeth they prepped. Dentist said no. Meanwhile I'm medicating and medicating and crying and crying. I'm barely functional at this point. I almost passed out while driving my car twice. My husband is calling dentists like crazy trying to find a sedation dentist for me.
Finally I get in a day earlier than my scheduled perm crown appt due to my husband being so mad at the ignoring of my pain that he called our dentist again for me. The dentist says maybe I'm reacting to the material the temp crowns are made of. He put my real crowns in with temp cement so he can recheck in a week. However, it's worth noting that I requested numbing before I'd let him even touch my teeth. As soon as the pre-injection numbing gel went on my gums, the cold of it made my pain blow up. I was crying and trembling in the chair, gripping my husband's hand until it hurt there too and I was writhing. Finally once he put the injection in it stopped. When the injection wore off the pain was just as bad as when the gel went on and I was in the fetal position in the car weeping and shaking until my last tramadol pill took effect. Thank God for that pill.
The dentist agreed to refill the ketorolac but he couldn't refill the tramadol. My PCP said she couldn't refill my tramadol unless I'm seen in person because it's an opiate.
Though it's not as extreme as the day my perm crown went in, the pain HAS NOT DECREASED from how it was before and tomorrow will be 3 weeks. I'm having suicidal intrusive thoughts at this point and crying every day. I'm having rebound pain from the NSAIDS and Tylenol despite trying to alternate and not take too much. My stomach has been hurting too. I don't drink, I don't have caffeine, I avoid acidic foods but the pain in my stomach is steady. I have my Dr appt tomorrow to get opiate pain meds and I've written down everything I can possibly think of- timeline of events, descriptions of pain, etc.
A huge concern of mine is that I'm on Wellbutrin for my depression, a known seizure threshold reducer. It's also the first antidepressant ive been on that doesn't make me gain weight and doesnt make me feel like a zombie. Traditional TN treatments involve tricyclic antidepressants which also can cause seizures. So will I have a seizure on this med if it mixes with my wellbutrin? I'm terrified of that. I'm also terrified that my quality of life has been ruined by a dental procedure I never wanted.
Is there anyone who has had this kind of situation and found relief? Please tell me there's relief somehow. This isn't type 1 that has a physical cause like blood vessels pressing on the nerve. I think whatever the dentist did has caused some irreversible stimulation of my trigeminal nerve system and it's just freaking out 24/7. I'm exhausted.
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So let's preface all of this by saying the following: I have severe dental phobia from decades of unpleasant dental, orthodontic and periodontic procedures and genetic gum recession and crappy teeth in general. (Braces from 10 years old to 14 years old - extremely painful palate bar, gums cut to attach braces to teeth that hadn't come down yet, etc- over a dozen fillings, 2 crowns, 4 wisdom teeth reoved, frenectomy) I also suffer from depression and anxiety.
I had a filling break on tooth 14 so I went in to see a dentist. He said I need a crown because that tooth had too big of a filling to replace. Due to the above issues, I asked to just have the tooth pulled. He refused. I balked at the crown because all I had was minimal weird feeling in that tooth. A dear friend of mine who is a dental assistant convinced me that a tooth removal wasn't in my best interests so after researching sedation dentistry and coming up empty handed locally (rural Michigan) and feeling sticker shock from the cost in Appleton, wi, Milwaukee WI and Chicago, il offices that do perform them ($6000+ for one tooth), I gave up and went local.
I self medicated with anti anxiety meds according to one protocol of a sedation dentistry office in Wisconsin and braced myself. When I was in the chair, the dentist said I actually needed a crown on the tooth next to the one with the broken filling too. I burst into tears and asked him to do both right then and there because I was NOT coming back to do another. He agreed. $3000 later the prep on both teeth was done.
A couple days later, the pain started. It was... Ghastly. The left side of my face was pulsing in pain from my upper left teeth, left sinus, left eye, left ear and down along my left mandible along the tooth line. I was crying in agony in bed. I started heavily medicating with ibuprofen and it seemed to help. But days passed and I had no improvement.
Finally I called the dentist and said I thought I had an infection. He got me right in, took X-rays, did an exam and found nothing wrong. He recommended I swish with salt water and take ibuprofen. I said I was already taking 800mg of ibuprofen every 5-6 hours. He wouldn't prescribe anything else. I called my PCP and she prescribed ketorolac, a stronger NSAID than ibuprofen. The days went on and the pain did not stop. I started alternating in the leftover tramadol from my frenectomy.
Fast forward to almost two weeks post crown prep. Crowns have come in but first available appt wasn't til a week later. I begged for a root canal on both teeth they prepped. Dentist said no. Meanwhile I'm medicating and medicating and crying and crying. I'm barely functional at this point. I almost passed out while driving my car twice. My husband is calling dentists like crazy trying to find a sedation dentist for me.
Finally I get in a day earlier than my scheduled perm crown appt due to my husband being so mad at the ignoring of my pain that he called our dentist again for me. The dentist says maybe I'm reacting to the material the temp crowns are made of. He put my real crowns in with temp cement so he can recheck in a week. However, it's worth noting that I requested numbing before I'd let him even touch my teeth. As soon as the pre-injection numbing gel went on my gums, the cold of it made my pain blow up. I was crying and trembling in the chair, gripping my husband's hand until it hurt there too and I was writhing. Finally once he put the injection in it stopped. When the injection wore off the pain was just as bad as when the gel went on and I was in the fetal position in the car weeping and shaking until my last tramadol pill took effect. Thank God for that pill.
The dentist agreed to refill the ketorolac but he couldn't refill the tramadol. My PCP said she couldn't refill my tramadol unless I'm seen in person because it's an opiate.
Though it's not as extreme as the day my perm crown went in, the pain HAS NOT DECREASED from how it was before and tomorrow will be 3 weeks. I'm having suicidal intrusive thoughts at this point and crying every day. I'm having rebound pain from the NSAIDS and Tylenol despite trying to alternate and not take too much. My stomach has been hurting too. I don't drink, I don't have caffeine, I avoid acidic foods but the pain in my stomach is steady. I have my Dr appt tomorrow to get opiate pain meds and I've written down everything I can possibly think of- timeline of events, descriptions of pain, etc.
A huge concern of mine is that I'm on Wellbutrin for my depression, a known seizure threshold reducer. It's also the first antidepressant ive been on that doesn't make me gain weight and doesnt make me feel like a zombie. Traditional TN treatments involve tricyclic antidepressants which also can cause seizures. So will I have a seizure on this med if it mixes with my wellbutrin? I'm terrified of that. I'm also terrified that my quality of life has been ruined by a dental procedure I never wanted.
Is there anyone who has had this kind of situation and found relief? Please tell me there's relief somehow. This isn't type 1 that has a physical cause like blood vessels pressing on the nerve. I think whatever the dentist did has caused some irreversible stimulation of my trigeminal nerve system and it's just freaking out 24/7. I'm exhausted.
2023.08.19 17:20 DaisyMamaa 3 days post tongue & lip tie release
We're 3 days out from my 5 week old's frenectomy and I need some reassurance that this is going to get better.
We went to a pediatric dentist who confirmed what our lactation consultant and pediatrician suspected: our little girl had a posterior tongue tie, a thick lip tie and upper cheek ties. She recommended release with a laser and we went ahead and did it (Wednesday afternoon).
Since then, my daughter has been so uncomfortable. She screams during the exercises, even though we do them 30 minutes after giving her pain meds; she wants to feed constantly, but won't take a bottle, so my breasts are sore and drained; and she will not sleep--the last 24 hours were the worst--she's only taken little naps in my arms, but hasn't had a decent stretch of sleep. I know she's so sleep deprived and so am I.
I know it's temporary. Her mouth will heal and the pain will go away, as well as these struggles, but right now it feels like we're so far away from the finish line. The dentist said full recovery takes 3 weeks! But will she be in this much pain for that long?
If your LO had a frenectomy/release, when did they start doing better? Where is the light at the end of the tunnel?
PS: she was diagnosed with an anterior tongue tie first, which we went and had clipped by an ENT. That procedure was so simple and she wasn't in much pain at all, which created some false expectations for how these releases would go. I was not prepared for how much pain she would be in/how hard recovery would be :(
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We went to a pediatric dentist who confirmed what our lactation consultant and pediatrician suspected: our little girl had a posterior tongue tie, a thick lip tie and upper cheek ties. She recommended release with a laser and we went ahead and did it (Wednesday afternoon).
Since then, my daughter has been so uncomfortable. She screams during the exercises, even though we do them 30 minutes after giving her pain meds; she wants to feed constantly, but won't take a bottle, so my breasts are sore and drained; and she will not sleep--the last 24 hours were the worst--she's only taken little naps in my arms, but hasn't had a decent stretch of sleep. I know she's so sleep deprived and so am I.
I know it's temporary. Her mouth will heal and the pain will go away, as well as these struggles, but right now it feels like we're so far away from the finish line. The dentist said full recovery takes 3 weeks! But will she be in this much pain for that long?
If your LO had a frenectomy/release, when did they start doing better? Where is the light at the end of the tunnel?
PS: she was diagnosed with an anterior tongue tie first, which we went and had clipped by an ENT. That procedure was so simple and she wasn't in much pain at all, which created some false expectations for how these releases would go. I was not prepared for how much pain she would be in/how hard recovery would be :(