Oxnard dining

I’m finishing up my Coast Starlight trip from LA to Seattle and back. Currently we’re almost to Oxnard. This was my first long distance train trip ever. I’ve ridden the train before down to San Diego, but that’s it. I rode in coach the whole way, and the seats are great. I brought many snacks, but grabbed a few things in the cafe car. Prices weren’t that bad. A couple gripes- I barely could sleep (but that might just be my problem), dining car prices seemed a little high for coach passengers, and we’ve had no WiFi on either train. Other than that, I’ve had a great time and the sights are absolutely incredible! I would totally do this again, but maybe opt for a sleeper next time. Just wanted to share my experience.
Thanks!

Places to eat? Planning a trip at the end of October for our anniversary and last trip till our baby gets here. Looking for places to eat in LA, Oxnard/Ventura and solvang. I was born and raised in Oxnard till I was 13 and moved to the rural south. My wife really has never experienced foods from different cultures so brownie points for best places to eat that aren’t your run of the mill steak, bbq or anything available in the south. I’m not looking for fine dining or some where known for wine/liquor since the wife can’t drink.
LA for 2-3 days (will be staying in W Hollywood) Oxnard for 1 day (there are places I remember eating as a kid but looking for advise) Solvang for 1 day ( one meal will be at pea soup andersens) Anaheim for 1 day
Fast food recommendations are welcome also. The wife wants to eat at in n out so that will fit in some where along our travels. We will be visiting the Santa Monica pier, Venice beach and possibly Malibu if we don’t go to Anaheim.

Hey guys! So I’m from The Bay but I’ve been keeping some furniture at a family member’s house in Oxnard that I wanted to get rid of. Just a crappy bed frame, dining table, and mattress that’s still in good condition. Do you guys know of any (preferably free) recycling or donation centers in the area? I’ve been trying to find some but I might just have to leave my stuff in a random dumpster 😂

I realized the old top ten list was not going to serve the purpose of a ranked sort as I continually add more reviews. For the same reason as before, since my scoring system doesn't separate the truly amazing rolls from the average ones, I decided to make a ranked list. My ranking is based on which I would rather buy, rather than which I would rather have for free. This is different from special occasions, where the costly but photogenic Cinnaholic roll would be more suitable than the high value Costco roll. Additionally, I remove distance as an issue, and pretend they are all available at an imaginary store next door.
Ranked List Format : Store Name, Item Name (City, State/Country) style, notes, distinction
style can be Bread (dinner roll, brioche), Pastry (croissant), Donut (fried), Cake (crumbly)

1. Kickback Jack's, Caramel Cinnamon Pecan Roll [2] (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Bread, very buttery, BEST OVERALL
2. Sugarbloom Bakery, Brioche Cinnamon Roll (Los Angeles, CA), Bread, legendary frosting, BEST TOPPING, BEST BREAD
3. Euro Cafe, Cinnamon Roll (Claremont, CA) Pastry, aromatic cinnamon taste, BEST CINNAMON
4. WinCo Foods, Cinnamon Roll 6pk (Fontana, CA) Bread, check packing date, BEST VALUE
5. Vons, Cinnamon Roll w/ Cream Cheese Icing, 6pk [2] (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Bread, check packing date
6. Polly's Pies, Giant Cinnamon Roll (Norco, CA) Bread, big but not really giant
7. Richie's Diner, Jumbo Cinnamon Roll (Rancho Cucamonga, CA), Bread, very buttery
8. Nano Cafe, Cinnamon Roll (Sierra Madre, CA) Bread, if only the side of butter had any taste
9. Great Harvest Bread Company, Cinnamon Roll (Temecula, CA) Bread, very dense
10. Costco, Cinnamon Pull-a-part (Fontana, CA) Bread, check packing date
11. Cake Among Us, Cinnamon Roll w/ Cream Cheese (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Bread, super creamy frosting
12. Creme Bakery, Cinnamon Roll (Claremont, CA) Pastry, great flakiness
13. Poppy Cake Baking Company, Cinnamon Roll (Sierra Madre, CA) Bread, among the best bread
14. Eclair and Cafe, Cinnamon Roll (Torrance, CA) Pastry, creamy filling and crispy exterior
15. Crumbles Cookies, Cinnamon Roll (Norco, CA) Bread, buttery bread and frosting
16. Iron Skillet, Cinnamon Roll (Ontario, CA) Bread, one of the bigger rolls
17. Merengue Bakery & Cafe, Cinnamon Roll (Monrovia, CA) Bread, dense layering
18. Butter Cafe and Bakery, Cinnamon Roll (Upland, CA) Bread, outstanding bread
19. EastBrew Cafe, Cinnamon Roll (Eastvale, CA) Bread, soft, moist, and spongy bread
20. Cinnabon, Cinnamon Roll [2] (Montclair, CA) Bread, prolonged heat lamp exposure can make it unenjoyable, BEST SMELL
21. Sweet Dough Cinna-Rolls, Pecan Praline Cinnamon Roll (Ontario, CA) Bread, topping choices
22. Cinnaholic, Classic Old Skool Roll (Los Angeles, CA) Bread, instagram fodder, BEST VISUAL
23. Coco's Bakery Restaurant, Cinnamon Roll (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Bread, lemon frosting
24. FrenchiFornia, Cinnamon Roll (Pasadena, CA) Pastry, unique creamy filling
25. Primo's Donuts, Baked Cinnamon Roll (Los Angeles, CA) Pastry, strong cinnamon taste
26. Crust & Crumble, Cinnamon Roll (Glendora, CA) Bread, one of the better sweet rolls
27. Papa Tony's Diner, Cinnamon Roll (San Bernardino, CA) Bread, viscous icing similar to a gravy in consistency
28. 24th Street Cafe, Cinnamon Roll w/Whipped Butter (Bakersfield, CA) Bread, drenched in butter
29. Philippe the Original, Cinnamon Roll (Los Angeles, CA) Bread, enjoyable chewiness
30. The Local Baker and Cafe, Cinnamon Roll (Upland, CA) Bread, very high oil/butter
31. Hodel's Country Dining, Cinnamon Roll w/Raisins (Bakersfield, CA) Cake, buffet
32. River Rock Roasting Company, cinnamon roll (La Verkin, UT) Bread, good size
33. Renaud's Patisserie and Cafe, Pecan Sticky Bun (Long Beac, CA) Pastry, lots of pecan
34. Some Crust Bakery, Cinnamon Roll (Claremont, CA) Bread, raisin version probably better
35. Melissa's Munchies, Cinnamon Roll (San Dimas, CA) Bread, too much hassle for small orders
36. Simone's Coffee and Tea, Cinnamon Roll (Ventura, CA) [sup. Siblings Bakery] Bread, icing too sweet
37. Panera Bread, Cinnamon Roll (Upland, CA) Bread, competent but unremarkable
38. Sticky Fingers Baking Company, Caramel Sticky Bun (Ventura, CA) Bread, incredible fluffiness
39. Original Pancake House, Cinnamon Roll (Norco, CA) Pastry, buttery with pleasant smell
40. Du-Pars Restaurant and Bakery, Cinnamon Roll (Los Angeles, CA) Bread, a bit dry overall
41. Cafe Amri, Walnut Cinnamon Roll (Oxnard, CA) Bread, outer ring a bit dry
42. Molly's Souper, Cinnamon Roll (Upland, CA) Bread, very crowded
43. Sweet Jill's, Apple Cinnamon Roll (Seal Beach, CA) Cake, deceiving size and unfriendly
44. Knott's Berry Farm Bakery, Cinnamon Roll (Buena Park, CA) Bread, outer ring a bit dry
45. K D Village Donuts, Cinnamon Roll (Ventura, CA) Donut, surprisingly good for donut
46. Donut Man, Cinnamon Roll (Glendora, CA) Donut, long wait time
47. Parowan Gas Station, Cinnamon Roll (Parowan, UT) Bread, sweet tour is marketing
48. Lupe's Bakery, Cinnamon Raisin Roll (San Bernardino, CA) Bread, take it and eat elsewhere
49. Mountain Top Cafe, Cinnamon Roll (Phelan, CA) Pastry, dry and too sweet
50. Riverside Airport Cafe, Cinnamon Roll (Riverside, CA) Bread, mushy bread
51. Wolfe's Kitchen and Deli, Large Cinnamon Roll (Claremont, CA) Pastry, not actually large
52. Sammy's Cafe #2, Cinnamon Roll (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Bread, questionable butter
53. Yellow Vase, Raisin Roll (Palos Verdes Estates, CA) Pastry, could use more cinnamon taste
54. Stater Bros., Cinnamon Roll w/Cream Cheese 8ct (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Bread, cheap cupcake frosting
55. Panaderia Y Jugueria Reyes, Cinnamon Roll (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Pastry, low cost
56. Clark Street Echo Park, Swedish Cinnamon Bun (Los Angeles, CA) Bread, floral taste
57. Winchell's Donuts, Cinnamon Roll (Pasadena, CA) Donut, average and forgettable
58. Nancy May's 50's Cafe, Cinnamon Roll (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) [sup. US Foods] Bread, soft shortcake
59. Trader Joe's, Trader Joe's Jumbo Cinnamon Roll (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Pastry, skip the icing
60. Vending Machine at San Antonio Regional Hospital Cafe, Cloverhill Big Texas Cinnamon Roll (Upland, CA) Bread, inoffensive
61. Class One Donuts, Cinnamon Roll Crumble (Glendora, CA) Donut, Donut Man is 1 mile away and better
62. Flo's Farmhouse Cafe, Cinnamon Roll (Riverside, CA) Cake, far too sweet
63. ARCO Gasoline, Cinnamon Roll (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Pastry, check for mold
64. Stater Bros., Pillsbury Orange Rolls (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Bread, creamsicle taste
65. Miss Donuts, Cinnamon Roll (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Donut, empty taste
66. Sage Vegan Bistro, Cinnamon Roll (Los Angeles, CA) Cake, similar to a carrot cake
67. Angelino's Donuts, Cinnamon Roll (Los Angeles, CA) Pastry, lots of airgaps
68. Golden Corral, Cinnamon Roll (Ontario, CA), Bread, ruined by unnecessary sugar syrup
69. Black Bear Diner, Cinnamon Roll (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Bread, vanilla air freshener
70. WinCo Foods, Rhodes AnyTime Cinnamon Roll (Fontana, CA) Bread, too much sweetness
71. Haven Mobil, Bon Appetit Cinnamon Roll (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Bread, gingerbread taste
72. Golden Egg Cafe, Cinnamon Roll (Ventura, CA) Cake, cornbread texture
73. Vintage Grocers, Apple Cobbler Cinnamon Roll (Malibu, CA) Cake, super dry
74. Brandon's Diner, Cinnamon Roll (Upland, CA) [sup. Old Town Bakery] Bread, probably for french toast
75. McDonald's Restaurant, Cinnamon Roll (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Bread, overnuked
76. ALDI, Bake Shop Cinnamon Sweet Roll (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Bread, gummy

Some general trends I've noticed:

• Diners have a major advantage in comfortable eating and heating the rolls well. They have a disadvantage in overhead for expected service gratuity. If the roll was already good to begin with, it is very hard to beat the diner experience.
• Most restaurants do not carry cinnamon rolls, or only on a seasonal basis. Some restaurants have cinnamon rolls, but do not list them on the menu.
• Supermarkets have a major advantage in high value. If made well and bought on the same day of baking, they can rather tough to beat.
• Many small bakeries, especially higher end ones, will not make cinnamon rolls. Bakeries seem to prefer focusing on custom order cakes and more elegant pastries. Probably because they face tough competition from supermarkets on price, and from Cinnabon on recognition. Occasionally, minimum order becomes an issue at small bakeries or home bakeries.
• Asian bakeries almost never have cinnamon rolls.
• Donut shops and panaderias (mexican bakeries) usually have the less desirable donut style, but sometimes they do the bake style as well. Most of the time, they have better prices than bakeries.
• Prepackaged rolls are disappointing. We all knew this anyways.

Ventura City Council met on Monday, February 8. The minutes have not been approved but there is a video of the meeting if you want the complete record, and I’d be happy to answer any questions to the best of my ability about the meeting or the process or my new kitten or whatever.
Consent Items Not much to say about the consent calendar. These are things that generally don’t require much discussion, such as replacing some air conditioning equipment at the Police/Fire HQ.
12A, Cannabis Council voted 4-2 to allow up to five retail dispensaries, with a 600’ buffer around K-12 schools, and up to ten industrial businesses.
Voting for: Deputy Mayor Joe Schroeder (District 7), Lorrie Brown (D6), Jim Friedman (D5), Doug Halter (D2).
Voting against: Mayor Sofia Rubalcava (D1), me (D3).
Background Council was reluctantly wrestling with cannabis for years, even before Prop 64. In October, staff suggested five retail shops allowed 600' from K-12 schools, daycare and youth centers. Council said two dispensaries max, 1000' buffers. Then in November, Ventura voters overwhelmingly passed an 8% tax on cannabis if Council decides to allow dispensaries. A few weeks later, some of the Councilmembers advocated for two dispensaries max, adding 1000' buffers around parks, playgrounds, libraries, and the College as well. But they couldn't agree, so it was held over for the new Council, which went with 600' around K-12 schools only.
My Vote I voted against this not because I’m opposed to retail cannabis or because of buffer zones, but because we are doing it for the revenue. There are other, better reasons to do it, but if you start with one of those (personal liberty, economic development, law enforcement/black market) you end up with a different policy, because you’re aiming for a different outcome. And, I don’t think the revenue will be close to what our consultant forecasts ($200k per year per dispensary). Now, his forecast was for two dispensaries, and we’ll have up to five, so the total revenues will surely be greater than the $400k predicted for two. But with Port Hueneme’s existing dispensaries, and Oxnard permitting something like 16, nobody is going to see the sort of revenue that Port Hueneme has enjoyed by having the only dispensaries in the area. I doubt we’ll see anything close to a million dollars in tax revenue but I’ve been wrong many, many times. I'd like to see us use cannabis money to fund not just enforcement/compliance but also drug/alcohol/nicotine education and cessation programs for youth.
Also, we’ll also have to pay an outside firm to manage it all, and I’ve not heard any hint how much they will take off the top. The big picture is, I’m concerned that during a budget crunch, it’s too easy to pass a questionable policy that promises revenue.
What’s Next This will come back to Council for a second reading, as part of the consent calendar on Mon 2/22. Theoretically it could be amended, but that rarely happens. It will take several months to set up the licensing process, but maybe by the end of the year we’ll have some applicants. I would guess we’ll see our first dispensary next year. Revenues won't start rolling in for a couple years.
13A, Council Goals Put off to a later date
13B, Interview process for District 4 applicants If you haven’t heard, Councilmember Erik Nasarenko (District 4, mostly east of Victoria & north of the 126) resigned last month after being appointed Interim DA. Our city charter gives the Council two options: appoint somebody within 30 days, or hold a special election. Unfortunately, the soonest we could have a special election would be November, and we can’t appoint somebody in the interim. (I was quoted in the VC Star as saying we have two “terrible” options but the actual word I used instead of Terrible was more colorful in the sense that brown is a color.)
So we are going to try to appoint somebody. I have no idea whether we will; with six on the council there may be no candidate who can get four votes. With two "terrible" options I think we have to explore both.
What's Next The East Ventura Community Council will be hosting a candidate forum Thursday, Feb 18, at 7pm. https://www.eastventura.org
About 14 District 4 residents are vying for it. This Saturday, we'll have a Special Meeting, starting at 9am. We’ll ask every candidate the same questions, then take public comments, then deliberate, then vote, then probably more deliberating and voting. If we do appoint somebody, they'll be sworn in immediately.
If we don't appoint somebody on Saturday, we could just give up, or we could hold a second Special Meeting on Wednesday, Feb 24, with more deliberating and voting. If we don't appoint somebody before 2/25, the seat will be empty until final results are certified from the November election and a replacement is sworn in. (So, Decemberish. I didn't have my first real meeting until Jan 11 of this year.)
Continuation of Main Street Moves Permit The original permit expires this month; staff recommendation was to extend it to August 31. Councilmember Schroeder moved to extend it to Dec 31, which Downtown Ventura Partners was asking for; I made a friendly amendment to extend it to Jan 7 so they could have use of the street for New Years Eve. Passed unanimously.
As I said on another post, making the closure permanent would take a lot of work, and not everybody wants it made permanent. I can’t say whether or not I’d support making it permanent until we see how it works post-pandemic and after studying the issue, collecting data, and talking to the residents and business owners who are directly impacted by it. If we were to try to make it permanent, we would be legally required to do a traffic study and whole bunch of other stuff. Parking is a huge concern. Personally, though, I will say that I look forward to trying it out when it’s safer to dine out. My wife uses a wheelchair, and Main Street has not been the easiest place to get around.
Next Council Meeting Special Meeting, Saturday Feb 20, 9am. Potentially appointing somebody to serve as the District 4 Councilmember. The agenda at https://www.cityofventura.ca.gov/AgendaCenter also includes instructions on how to watch, participate, or submit written comments for the record.
Next Regular Council Meeting Monday, Feb 22, 6pm. The agenda should be posted in a couple days at the link above. It will likely include the second reading of the Cannabis ordinance, perhaps Council Goals, and maybe an agenda item about approving a Tourism Marketing District.

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Any thought, opinions, or insights would be appreciated.
We've never ridden Amtrak, but fell in love with train travel going down Copper Canyon when we were living in Mexico. We are planning a mammoth trip to visit the beauty of America on Amtrak and in the national parks. Our current path is City of New Orleans from Memphis to the New Orleans, Sunset Limited to LA, Coast Starlight to Seattle, the Empire Builder to Chicago, and then the City of New Orleans south to Memphis. 45 days, 13 Segments, 22 national parks. Stops in New Orleans, Alpine Tx, El Paso Tx, Tucson AZ, LA, San Jose, Klamath Falls OR, Seattle, Essex MT, Williston ND, St Paul MN, Chicago, and Memphis. We are working on an early retirement plan for sometime next year so this is either late summer 2021 or more probably in 2022. Since some of our stops don't have baggage service, we'll be all carry-on.
I understand, even with a 45 day rail pass, you have to book each segment separately. Is there any way / advantage to upgrading the entire trip to rooomette?
I have been disappointed that the dining has been downgraded to delta-on-the-rails (big thank-you to u/LumpyMclarson for an excellent review of the current culinary offerings - - it made me feel better). Has there been any discussion of bringing back chef-cooked cuisine?
We will likely rent a car at each stop. We were considering not re-boarding the train in Tucson and turn the rental car into a on-way rental from Tucson to Oxnard CA. Instead of hiking Saguaro NP then re-boarding, going to LA and backtracking to hike Joshua Tree NP then to Channel Islands NP to re-board the train in LA; we would leave the Sunset Limited in Tucson, hike those three parks and board the Coast Starlight in Oxnard, CA. If you miss the Tucson to LA section of the Sunset Limited or the LA to Oxnard section of the Coast Starlight, have you missed some fabulous section of the trip that you would regret? We are also considering not re-boarding the City of New Orleans on the return home from Chicago and do a one way rental home with a stop at Gateway Arch NP. We have to do a one-way rental home either way (from Memphis or Chicago) and considering that section of the City of New Orleans is at night I don't think we'll miss much. In addition because of the timing of the Empire builder into, and The City of New Orleans out of, Chicago, it leaves us with some time to kill (in on Thursday, out late Saturday; and we were only allowing one day of hiking at Indiana Dunes NP).
I have no idea of which side of the train or position (front, back, top, or bottom) would be best for any of the trip. Any thoughts about which roomettes (position within the car) are best to book?
Is it relatively easy to get seats in the observation car or do you have to scheme and strategize (we don't want to monopolize but we would like to enjoy)?
We plan to book early and at least one of us get the BoA Amtrak credit card for the discounts and travel points. Do you have any money saving strategies you would share? The trip is the main thing but money is, well, money.
I'll probably post a re-write of this to r /nationalpark for ideas of where to stay, which hikes not to miss, and local restaurants to try; but I'd take any advice on these things from here as well. Thanks for reading.
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Thanks for everyone's input. I'm sure I'll have more questions and I hope after our trip will be able to contribute, not just take, from this community. Thanks again.

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Below is a pretty detailed itinerary of my road trip from Tucson to San Fran and back. Any suggestions, comments, or tips are totally welcome! We are 4 people about to graduate college so we are trying to do stuff 21 year olds would find fun while still taking everything in! I also tried to cut out unnecessary travel details to keep this short so I didn't explain the duration of our at places and just moved on to when we would arrive at the next place. Hopefully this little trip entertains you enough to send help, or inspires you to plan one!! :)
Day 1 - May 1st (Friday)
Arrive at Venice beach around 3pm. Arrive at LACMA around 6:30pm (we aren't huge into art so we only planned for 1.5 hours here). Arrive in Hollywood around 8:15pm and drive around seeing sights. Eat dinner around 9pm at city walk.
Day 2 - May 2nd (Saturday)
This is our day of driving, so if you have tips of where to stop from LA to San Fran they would be helpful! We essentially planned out our driving route so that we could get some awesome views off PCH without spending the whole time on it and see some other things along the way.
Have breakfast in Malibu and get on the road to San Fran by 10am. Coastal route through Malibu via PCH for 1.5 hours. Merge at Oxnard to get on 101 for 50 mins (should we stop for strawberries or for a stretch at rincon beach?). Get on inland route via CA HWY 154 for 45mins (good places to stop and eat in Los Ovilos?). Continue to St Louis Obispo for 1 hour (anyone hear of the santa maria tri tip for eating? should we stop at pismo beach here as opposed to rincon beach earlier?) Continue to San Jose for 2 hours and 45 mins (should we take an hour detour for Valley of Oaks? anyone been there/have opinions on it?). Drive though Silicon Valley (anything to see here?) for 55 minutes and arrive in San Fran! Check into hotel, grab dinner (suggestions?), nightlife (suggestions?).
Day 3, May 3rd (Sunday)
Find breakfast (suggestions?). Head to aquarium and exploritorium with plans to leave by 2pm (any suggestions on how much time we need at each, which to goto first or spend a longer time at?). Walk around pier 39 for 15 mins, take cable card to fishermans wharf for lunch (dining suggestions?), cable car to ghiradelli square, cable car to lombard street. Then we plan to head to the Flibert steps and need to decide if we should pick the car up from the aquarium area before or after the steps, does anyone know much about parking in the area? Finally we are definitely heading to China town and considering North beach as well, anyone have suggestions on which one has a really good restaurant for dinner?
Day 4, May 4th (Monday) Go check out the golden gate bridge. Do a tour of Alcatraz. Then we will be heading to the baseball game at 7:15pm and probably leaving it by 9pm to hit the road and take the fast 6 hour route back to LA. I know its not the best to drive through the night and tire ourselves out, but we figure if we are sleeping by 4am in LA and be ready to roll around noon it is better than leaving San Fran in the morning and not getting to LA till 4pm. In between Alcatraz and the baseball game we have a lot of down time and freedom for exploring. Does anyone have any suggestions? Maybe something we wouldn't have found in the countless "top 20 things to see" articles we've been reading.
Day 5 - May 5th (Tuesday) Our morning is pretty free. On my list of things we might so I've got Wayferers chapel, the great wall of LA, and Jurrassic Technology, does anyone have any suggestions of things to do? We can't do anything too far away like a hike because we're planning to get 3pm (and you have to be there an hour early) tickets to Conan or Jimmy Kimmel (which also raises the questions of: which is more fun to see live??). At night we plan in heading to the Santa Monica pier to have dinner (dining suggestions?).
Day 6, May 6th (Wednesday) We are thinking of either hiking the hollywood hills or heading to the San Diego zoo. We'd like to get back on the road to Tucson by at least 6pm, if not earlier. Any suggestions on which would be better? Or if we can handle both in one day? And any notes on what the hollywood hills hike is like and how long it is?
Some last notes:

• We'd love to get Murphy's Ranch in here somewhere
  
• Please suggest any and all breakfast/lunch/dinner places you think out of towners NEED to eat when they're visiting!
  
• I know this trip is action packed, but aside from one of us we've all had an extensive stay in SD and some time in LA so from experience we think we can do it!