Amphetamine synthesis ritalin

Hi all, I’m in a bit of a frustrating situation.
My psychologist referred me to a psychiatrist for an ADHD assessment, and after waiting 6 months I was finally assessed and diagnosed in February.
At the end of the assessment, my psychiatrist said “I think I should prescribe you with Vyvannse, but first I’ll need to speak to one of your parents”. This sent me into a bit of a panic because I had no idea he’d want to do this, and my relationship with my parents is complicated. My mother doesn’t believe in ‘mental health’ and has even tried to convince me to stop taking my antidepressants in the past when I was feeling suicidal. My step father goes along with whatever she thinks and we have almost no relationship. My dad was abusive when I was a toddler and my parents divorced when I was 4, so I only saw him every 2nd weekend if that. We have a better relationship now he’s sorted his anger issues, but he was on holiday at the time of my assessment.
I explained to my psych that I thought speaking to my mum or step dad would be a bad idea, but that he could call my dad if he wanted. He kept pushing that he wanted to talk to my mum or step dad not my real dad considering he wasn’t around much, but eventually settled and said he’d call my real dad. Unfortunately as my real dad was on holiday, he didn’t answer and so he prescribed me Ritalin LA instead.
I found that it has barely worked for me. Some days sort of, others it was imperceptible. Before my period it did nothing at all except make me anxious.
I had my reassessment a few days ago. I’m the mean time I had spoken to my dad and my older sister (by 7 years) and they said they would be available to speak to the psych so I could try to get my medication swapped as I explained how they weren’t working but that he needed to verify my accounts of childhood with a family member.
Long story short, he refused to call either of them. I explained how the medication wasn’t working, and he literally said “well I am conservative, so I want to stay in this path of Ritalin now we’ve started. I’ll up your dose and we can keep upping the dose until you are at maximum, and if that doesn’t work we can talk about maybe swapping”. Which I’m so frustrated about, because he was the one who wanted to prescribe Vyvannse first and now he’s changed his mind and refused to stray because he’s “conservative”? I can’t afford to keep feeling like my life is a disaster.
I’m really lost. My next assessment isn’t until August, and even then he might just want to up my dose again. I’ve tried the higher dose for a few days and whilst I’ll keep trying, so far no positive side effects. I’ve also tried dexamphetamine in the past and it worked so much better, so I really think a swap would be more helpful.
What can I do? I’ve been thinking about swapping to a new clinic to be reassessed (despite the fact it will cost me 1k with no rebate since I’ve already had a 291 rebated this year). But I’m worried they will think I’m drug seeking as I’m already seeing a psych.
Which is frustrating. I have had partners in the part who abused Amphetamines and I never touched them. I don’t drink, and I’ve gone from smoking weed daily to only on weekends here and there. I’m really not here to abuse drugs, I just want to stop feeling like my life is out of control.
What can I do? Will going somewhere else look suspicious if I explain the whole situation?

Is it possible to synthesize amphetamine from phenylethylamine? I’ve read a couple of procedures but they are quite lengthy even though we only need to attach a methyl group…
I’m still quite new so I’m wondering if anyone could explain why the process o converting PEA to amphetamine isn’t as simple/straight-forward as the theory.
Is there any way to achieve this synthesis in a more direct method?
Any help is appreciated :)

See title.
What are your experiences with combining the two substances? If positive/negative, please elaborate why or rather what effect lead you to feel this way on this combination.
Your tolerance and dosages of both, as well as a "timeline" of which one you took first/time between dosing as well as redoses (if you did redose, which is probable lol) are important informations to share.
Also, what ROA did you use for each dose? Always the same or changing ROA after every redose?
Ill start with my experience, which started yesterday evening in a comment under this thread.
Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge, every input is appreciated.

European student here who's wanting to do an exchange in latin america (central or south america) next year, not sure if there is any latin american country that technically allows amphetamine-based medications to be brought into the country. For me, it doesn't matter whether it's practically available there, legally allowed to bring Attentin / Adderall / Dexedrine there (i.e. approved by the health authority of the country) would be enough for me.
I'm also not looking at a *nobody will check trust me bro* answer, don't wanna risk jail time in a latin american prison. Also, I don't tolerate vyvanse, ritalin, concerta, etc. Has to be generic or brand-name Adderall or Dexedrine that's allowed there.

I have my adhd appointment tomorrow to go back on meds as I stopped them to see if I can work without them as I’ve e been on them for a year. Strangely, stopping them triggered mania and a hospital stay. I am now very stable in regards to bipolar but I lost my job recently due to being forgetful and not getting things done in time as I was so disorganized and would start one thing not finish it and the. Start another and so on…
I’ve come to the conclusion that I should go back on meds. Lithium has been proven to blunt the euphoria and other side effects of stimulants. My main concern is serotonin syndrome and yet I hear people prescribed both amphetamines and lithium all the time.
I don’t know which medicine I want to take and my doctor lets me choose.(maybe not best practices idk)
In any event, for those of you that have e taken lithium or seraquel or both and amphetamines or Ritalin based drugs, what was your experience?
I am aware that we all are affected differently based on our biochemistry but just curious.
Thanks!

I have been trying box breathing to calm my systems down for the days when the stimulants are overwhelming. It’s between four and seven seconds for each of the following: inhale through the nose, hold, exhale, hold- repeat till you feel better. Sometimes I will only do 7 seconds for the exhale and everything else stays at 3-4 seconds.
I can’t believe the difference between different generics of Amphetamine salts XR. I tried most other drugs and came back to this one as the others didn’t work. There is a new version of Ritalin that is time release that you take the night before, and it works in the morning. My insurance refused to fill it. I have tried concerta, stratera, provigil, nuvigil, vyvanse etc.
Is anyone else feeling these up and down, can’t have a steady week because of the medication kind of feels?

I recently found out that I have Fast COMT and a mild MTHFR mutation.
Apparently Wellbutrin and Modafinil have been shown to work well with this comt GG allele.
I also deal with clinical depression and ADHD. I don't tolerate amphetamines very well which is why I'm looking towards alternatives. I've also heard good things about Ritalin and fast COMT.
Do any of you have experience with these compounds?
Thanks!

Hallo zusammen,
Ich (M28 seit der Grundschule diagnostiziert aber nach einer kurzen Phase damals nicht mehr medikamentös eingestellt) bin jetzt ziemlich genau ein Jahr Cannabis abstinent und ca 4 1/2 Monate von den Zigaretten weg. Bin auch ziemlich stolz auf mich, da ich nicht einen einzigen Rückfall hatte vor allem bei den Zigaretten. Habe meine Impulse mittlerweile ziemlich gut unter Kontrolle. Mit Cannabis habe ich jahrelange Erfahrung, allerdings bis auf Führerschein (Hauptgrund für die Abstinenz) und den Kostenfaktor keine Probleme. Im Gegenteil, mir hat das größtenteils bei der Bewältigung meines Alltags geholfen da ich immer sehr befriedigt und ausgeglichen war nachdem ich geraucht habe. Natürlich war mein Konsum nach der langen Zeit relativ hoch, 1-2g sind ab nachmittags wenn alles erledigt war meist verbrannt worden, aber wenn der Kostenfaktor nicht gewesen wäre, hätte ich persönlich kaum Probleme damit gehabt.
Mein Problem ist, dass ich seit ich nicht mehr kiffe, diese Befriedigung bzw. den Konsum nun in anderen Dingen suche. Alkohol mochte ich nie sehr, daher ist das kein Problem, andere Drogen habe ich probiert aber habe ich auch nie regelmäßig oder exzessiv konsumiert. Meine „Sucht“ hat sich nun größtenteils auf Essen, Screen Time und dergleichen verlagert. Sobald ich geraucht habe war ich meistens entspannt und konnte das Handy auch mal zur Seite legen, mich kreativ ausleben oder auch einfach mal meditieren oder mich dehnen/Yoga Sessions machen. Seit ich aufgehört habe zu kiffen kriege ich das nicht mehr hin, ich klebe förmlich am Bildschirm. Wenn ich mit meiner Partnerin oder Familie/Freunden unterwegs bin habe ich das Problem nicht, da ich beschäftigt und ausgeglichen bin. Sobald ich aber alleine bin habe ich einen unfassbaren Drang nach Stimulation. Ich esse aus Langeweile, teilweise bis ich Bauchschmerzen habe, ich klebe am Handy auf Social Media etc oder ich suche nach anderen Beschäftigungen. Sport hat mir bisher gut geholfen allerdings kann ich damit nicht meine gesamte freie Zeit füllen daher ist das eher eine akute Ablenkung bzw ein Ersatz fürs Essen und fürs Handy. Ich dachte immer ich hätte eine Abhängigkeit von Cannabis, allerdings ist mir das aufhören nach vielen Jahren doch überraschend leicht gefallen und ich habe gemerkt dass es einfach ein generelles unterschwelliges Bedürfnis nach Stimulation zu sein scheint. Alles in allem war ich gefühlt zufriedener und hab mich wohler gefühlt als ich noch mehr konsumiert habe. (Vor allem als ich Sport mit in mein Leben integriert hatte und mein soziales Leben aufgeräumt hatte).
Ich bin ziemlich genervt von der ganzen Sache und vermisse die Zeiten mit Cannabis, da ich seitdem das Gefühl habe quasi keine innere Ruhe mehr zu haben und sehr abhängig von meiner Außenwelt zu sein.
Ich lese oft dass sich diese ganzen Dinge beim Beginn einer Medikation mit Elvanse, Ritalin, etc. in einer ähnlichen Form regulieren, allerdings habe ich es bisher noch nicht geschafft einen Termin für einen Psychiater zu bekommen und ich hatte mit Cannabis auch nie wirklich das Gefühl ein (anderes) Medikament einnehmen zu müssen, da es meiner Meinung nach nicht so einen großen unterschied macht ob ich Amphetamine oder cannabinoide einnehme um mein Ziel zu erreichen. Außerdem hatte Cannabis für mich auch eine soziale Komponente und auch nach Bedarf eine Rauschkomponente, die andere mit Alkohol befriedigen. Zudem würde ich es am liebsten natürlich ohne Medikamente schaffen diese Dinge zu bewältigen.
Also, was sind eure Erfahrungen, Tips, Ratschläge, wie geht ihr mit diesem Bedürfnis nach Stimulation um?
Tl;dr: 1 Jahr abstinent von Cannabis, und nun ständig am Handy oder binge-eating. Dachte Cannabis sei mein Problem und ich hätte eine Abhängigkeit, die Abhängigkeit scheint aber ein generelles Bedürfnis nach Stimulation gewesen zu sein, welches mit Cannabis kein Problem mehr war. Was sind eure Erfahrungen Tips und Strategien?

I could write all day here about every adhd med I have taken. Bottom line, amphetamines do not work at all for me. They make me EXHAUSTED and I get no positives. Just feel a little zombified. I tried adderall IR, XR, Dexedrine, vyvanse, concerta, mydayis, Ritalin LA, Ritalin IR, I have tried a lot. I own my own business as a baker and have three kiddos. I am so sluggish and need to get back on something that will works Ritalin has been the only thing that’s worked for me thus far. I want to try focalin IR because it’s dex methylphenidate.
It’s depressing reading reviews on here because there is so much negative. Has anybody had good experiences with focalin IR?

I recently got prescribed Elvanse 30mg. I have a very big history of amphetamine abuse/addiction, which my doctor knows about. I am now doing a lot better regarding that and actually, one of the reasons my doctor prescribed me the elvanse is because I told her that current I pretty much only use amphetamines in very small doses when I need to study for my exams or get something done. I feel like I have a decent tolerance to the drug due to how much I have abused it, and I really believe the 30mg aren't doing it for me, but I don't want my doctor to think that I am trying to abuse the medication and stop giving me the meds (This is the first time I have been diagnosed with add, yes it happened very late, and this medication has truly changed my life for the better) or to switch me to something like Ritalin, which I've heard makes you feel really numb and robotic and doesn't sound really appealing.

So I have ADHD. I can’t take stimulants. I tried them all Adderall, Vyvanse, Ritalin etc. Everytime I take them even after a few days of use I have massive hair loss even after a few days. When I take them my hair feels thin because I guess when you take a stimulant it constricts blood flow to the hair causing it to feel limp. I get massive hair loss. So I stopped Ritalin today. I rather keep my hair than take this crap. I know not everyone gets this side effect but some do.
Even Wiki states this.
Stimulants can cause hair loss by stimulating hair follicles, which causes them to go into a resting phase and stop growing new hair. This can lead to thinning hair or patchy hair loss. Some psychiatric medications, such as amphetamine, lisdexamfetamine, and methylphenidate, have been reported to be associated with hair loss since the 1960s

I am m/19. When I was 15 I went to my pediatrician because I was constantly tired and after school I just slept until the next day. I was diagnosed with thalassemia minor, but I was told that there was no treatment. Now at the age of 19, the same thing with my Doc. . But she said that I could read through the clinical picture, as I'm studying nursing and want to study medicine later. Despite sleeping 8 hours a night and sometimes even somr hours during the day, I am still tired. I just manage to finish my shift or my lessons and then I can't manage anything else that day. Three times a week I go swimming for two hours and then I'm totally exhausted and fall asleep straight away. I did a lot of reading and came across amphetamines (Ritalin, Aderall). They are supposed to be able to keep you awake and focus your concentration. However, as I find this too strong (I would try it if I had the chance), I looked for milder alternatives and came across the active ingredient modafinil. This is marketed in the USA under Provigil and here in Germany under Vigil. It is actually intended for narcolepsy, but there have been (a few) cases where thalassemia patients have been prescribed it and it has worked.
What do you think? How do you deal with the fatigue ?

Hey my fellow spicy brain family,
Just sharing a bit of my journey (32M) and I’ll continue to update my post as I travel through this, as for me having resources like reddit to read and be open minded about medication and possibly being able to see what’s a ‘side effect’ or a benefit from meds has been helpful.
02/23 : Diagnosis
Initial dose Ritalin 10mg twice a day AM/PM (I think initially was 5mg for a few days then 10mg)

• I kept asking my GP and others I knew about what I was to notice, however I think I had some kind of ‘expectation’ that made me angry cause I ‘wasn’t getting it’ (or possibly underdosed) I remember the nurse saying when doing my ECG “you’ll know when it’s right” which only further fueled my frustration.

03/2023 : Increased to 20mg twice daily

• was getting tension headaches and jitters in afternoon (informed my psych at my next appt) however after doing some studying of my circumstances and situation of late, I have concluded that I was getting these ‘side effects’ as a rebound effect as my doses were too far apart (rollercoaster peak/drop/peak/drop)

04/2023 : switched to Vyvanse 30mg

• immediately it was ‘go time’ (possibly euphoria) I was so motivated to do literally everything right that moment (after all I am on an amphetamine) I was focused on my business and growing it, back end work, processes etc and quit gaming/porn (as these had a pretty tight hold on me), addressed issues with my parents, and workplace at the time which ended out better for me. (NC with parents, and moved workplace)

05/2023 : upped Vyvanse to 40mg

• I had no issues with the 30mg as it seemed to be great, but psych upped anyway (I didn’t question because maybe he knew something I didn’t)

Fast forward 6-9months, I’d sold my property in Brisbane, moved rural with family for better QOL for the kids, kept questioning my decisions on whether they were good or not, and huge amounts of anxiety/dread/worry/fear in there, not to mention a couple episodes of mania/psychosis I completely missed. (Mental health in the toilet)
04/2024 : increase Vyvanse to 50mg

• Within a week I knew something wasn’t right, heart rate issues/palptations (151bpm, to my error I had a coffee at the same time as my Vyvanse and it didn’t interact well together) I started self titrating and breaking my 50mg and ingesting 30mg after a 4 day medication holiday as I felt so bad when I was on 50mg, but after a week of 30mg I still felt the same, a lot of self doubt, don’t back myself, anxious/worry etc.

05/2024 : ditched Vyvanse, started Ritalin trial.

• As I’d previously taken 20mg twice a day with issues around my PM dose, I’d concluded my doses were too far apart with what I had learnt,

Day 1: I took 10mg x1 every 4hrs, didn’t feel much or anything. (Hr didn’t really do anything with the meds ingested)
Day 2: I took 10mg x1 every 1-2hrs until I felt something, and voila at dose 4, I felt unbothered by a lot of things that would usually piss me off (bad drivers, my kids doing kid things) so I took a further 2 until 60mg was taken for that day.
Day 3-11: I took 10mg x2 every 3-4hrs, I feel emotive, calm, happy, no anxious feelings at all, executive function is slightly better however the biggest win is I can RELAX which has been a lot of my issues in the past, constantly feeling shit needs to be done, when in actual fact nothing is pressing right now (business stuff) I’m able to parent better and be very patient and calm when my kids (also adhd) have moments, mostly the post school restraint collapse, and be well grounded to help my daughter decompress.
(I cried in the car to work listening to old songs I listened to when I was in high school and not knowing the depth of the lyrics, mostly mourning my childhood being late aged diagnosed)
After all my whole journey to being diagnosed was to give the support to my daughter that I’d been refused to as a child by my parents (even my primary school principal suggested I be evaluated, and I’d say mostly from a caring place).
My conclusions ; it may take a while to get your medication selection / dosage correct, just don’t give up, be careful of ‘chasing the dragon’ but also be as open as possible with your GP/Psych, sometimes we’re taught to please and not be a hindrance by downplaying potential side effects which can slow things down.
Thanks for reading my TEDtalk.

Hello. I’m 41 and recently got diagnosed with ADHD. It felt like a huge relief, like maybe I’ll be able to finally function like an actual human.
My psychiatrist prescribed me 36 mg of Concerta. On day 2 of it, I literally couldn’t stop sobbing for hours and felt like I had done speed without any euphoria. My blood pressure and heart rate were also high. He now has me on 5 mg of Ritalin, taken twice a day. I am so tired I can barely function- I stayed in bed all day and my ADHD symptoms feel even worse.
I know everyone reacts differently to medication. I remember a friend giving me Adderall a long time ago and I felt amazing (this was obviously way before I was diagnosed). I feel weird telling my doctor that since it was a friend’s prescription and I don’t want to seem like I’m fishing for amphetamines. Also that was a long time ago and I don’t know if I’d have the same reaction. I’m really hoping that after a couple more weeks of Ritalin-style meds making me feel worse that he’ll try another route. Would love to know other’s experiences with inattentive ADHD and medications.
Thanks!

People with ADHD are especially prone to claim this. Yet a stimulant is a stimulant. It's not like it becomes a sedative magically because someone has ADHD. Plus, one has to think many cases of ADHD are misdiagnosed due to so many other disorders potentially presenting very similar symptoms, but ADHD being a more salient disorder often results in that diagnosis. But it still helps those people. A stimulant is going to help anyone focus better, and at high doses will cause a feeling of increased energy and mood elevation. I haven't seen any evidence that the brains are so utterly different between ADHD vs. not that somehow a big increase in dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin isn't going to cause similar effects in both groups.
I say this as someone who was diagnosed with ADHD at age 9. But I feel like many of my fellow ADHDers simply want to feel more justified in being the ones that "deserve" stimulants more. In reality, stimulants help most people to an extent and make them feel good. Hence why the most common use in the past was for depression. I think they should be more widely prescribed for a wider range of reasons.
The DEA is very puzzling in that it has some drugs that aren't harmful at all as schedule I, and benzos are schedule iv vs. schedule ii for stimulants, but I think benzos are FAR more harmful. Methylphenidate being scheduled the same as amphetamines is also a joke. It's so much weaker than amphetamine, far less prone to cause addiction, and works in different ways. I could understand keeping adderall schedule ii, but Methylphenidate should be schedule iv. I've taken most stimulants in my life, and I've also taken modafinil/armodafinil. Modafinil is schedule iv but seems far more potentially addictive than XR formulations of Ritalin.

Adderall contains two mixtures: amphetamine and dextroamphetamine. Adderall is the commonly used brand name to treat ADHD, OCD, and narcolepsy. Adderall is a controlled substance, and although it is on the verge of being mistakenly thought of as an opioid, it is a stimulant and not an opioid. Opioids are depressants1, so narcotics are used as painkillers and to practically numb a person from any pain or discomfort. Understandably, Adderall is not a narcotic. HOW CAN people be so ignorant. That old wench “I used to be a pharmacy technician..” ohhh. K.
Schedule II
Schedule II drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a high potential for abuse, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependence. These drugs are also considered dangerous. Some examples of Schedule II drugs are: combination products with less than 15 milligrams of hydrocodone per dosage unit (Vicodin), cocaine, methamphetamine, methadone, hydromorphone (Dilaudid), meperidine (Demerol), oxycodone (OxyContin), fentanyl, Dexedrine, Adderall, and Ritalin