Sleep after adderall

The rift between them has caused a lot of tension in my family and now my mom wants to be in the life of her newborn grandson but refuses to address or try to mend things with my wife.
Little history: I probably introduced them too quickly. My grandmother was in town in south Florida about to move here from Illinois for a retirement community. My wife, girlfriend at the time, came with cookies or some form of baked goods like she usually does when visiting someone as a sign of affection and respect. Where it went wrong from here I have no idea. I suppose the initial crack was when wife scheduled a skitrip for her and I to have as a 1 year of dating anniversary present. We are not rich, this is a huge gift that made sense to her since I refused to let her pay rent. Our combines salaries are barely over 120k. So wife calls mom 6 months in advance because she is a planner for the sole purpose of asking my mom to watch one of our four dogs. Wife has already paid in full for the trip. Yet Mom decides it is a great idea to instead use the opportunity to hop on and take a family trip because it is the last time the family will have for a family vacation - I am the oldest of two boys and two stepsisters, my mom married the guy she left my father for who has twin girls of his own that were in the womb during the infidelity. Anyway mom completely takes over and decides to make our one year gift a family vacation, so she books tickets for a hotel nearby. Wife is bold but at the time not bold enough to stop my mom in her tracks for overstepping a boundary. At this time she still respected my mother and kind of let herself get steamrolled.
Probably skippable Family history: Now I have always had issues with my mother, resentment for leaving my father for my stepdad behind my own fathers back and constantly trying to keep brother and I from seeing “Disneyland dad who doesn’t do any of the work but gets all the fun.” my mother was very strict growing up, always bringing us to church and making my father feel guilty for not bringing brother and I on his weekend. So mom marries stepdad age 11, divorces him around 13 after asking me advice for her relationship and i encourage her to move out. Then remarries him and moves us back into his house age 15. Here I begin rebellion and normal teeenager stuff but stepdad won’t butt in because he isn’t my “biological father” so would have my mom intervene brother and i from behind the scenes. For example, I am young and messing around on the piano because music is important and I never had any formal training and mom comes in to tell me stepdad “wants to know when the concert is going to end because it is a little annoying.” Anyway, they have me prescribed adderall at 16 and in the parking lot holding my first prescription I am told that they would like me to move out and in with my father, who had chased us every time mom and stepdad moved several miles away (5 moves from age 5-15 all in one county). Anyway, brother and I are recovering alcoholics with (my) slipups triggered from interactions or visiting my mom, which mom claims is genetics from my father alone and has nothing to do with her. Maternal grandfather, mother, and I have some nasty temper problems which certainly are exacerbated by drinking (at least mine and moms).
Skitrip revelations: Wife and I are on the way to brothers graduation in Chicago, and wife has yet to reveal to me that my mother has taken over her massive investment of a couples ski vacation and it will now be a family vacation for mom, stepdad, brother, two stepsisters who are all getting out of gradschool. On the way to the airport I am told the news by future wife of my one year surprise. So I get upset and call my mom to call it off. She obliges my request and now holds resentment against me and now wife for “ruining her last family vacation.” Fine, whatever. Mother never says a word about it for months until we are out for a distant family members birthday dinner and at a table of about 8-10 people that are having a group conversation and gets real close to my wife’s ear and tells her privately along the lines of “you deprived our family of our last family vacation.” During this time my wife is frantically tapping my leg under the table because my mom can get a little aggressive. My mom saw this and later (privately to me) mocked her for doing it to my leg under the table.
Christmas blessings: Closer to Christmas maybe 2/3 weeks later we went to go see my mom and my mom had a couple drinks in her (not an alcoholic like brother and I just very sensitive to a couple glasses of wine and occasionally some hidden sips of wine or something) and invites my wife to Christmas church and out to dinner after because the family needs photos for a Christmas card and future wife “will be the photographer for it.” Now this can easily be a nothing comment but given the way my mom had been making future wife feel, it was taken as an insult. So wife declined church and showed up to family dinner just in time for photography session to be over.
The distance: Then mom moves to a fancy house up the coast and invites us up to visit. At first it is ok to bring the 4 dogs then the day before she says they will not have dogs at the house and we can easily find a sitter. 2 Dogs don’t get along, they need to be separated always as there has been two attacks on one from the other, so we can’t trust someone to come to the house and keep them separate and we won’t board 4 dogs it’s too expensive for us. Anyway we go back and forth being invited with the dogs then they retract the offer and say pick one dog to bring and leave the others and it’s just annoying, so we say forget it and don’t go. But my brother becomes engaged and decides to throw his engagement party at my mom’s new place near the beach. Great. First all the dogs are welcome, then day before they say it is too chaotic and she will pay for a small hotel room for one night for future wife and her dogs and my one (the attack dog) can stay in a crate at the house with me but I may not leave the dog to stay with her. And no reasonable cheap hotel in the area is going to accommodate 4 dogs. Anyway wife is stressed but feels obligated to come because I am the best man and I stay at the house while she checks her dogs into the hotel. Wife had made a cheesecake and brought it up in a separate car from me, 4 hour drive by the way, and night of.. my mom says no desserts for engagement party dinner, the dessert is themed or some crazy stuff. Wife shows up to dinner a little later and very flustered because of the situation plus I had relapsed on a bottle of whiskey a couple days prior to seeing my mom. Related, I don’t know. Anyway. Mom has had a couple drinks and future wife and I are talking about having children and religion comes up. Mom asks what we were thinking of doing about baptism or not and I jokingly said (guiltily to get on my moms nerves a bit) that he would have a bris and would love it if she would come to the bar mitzvah. now my wife’s mom was forced to convert from Catholicism to Judaism for her own mother in laws acceptance for a failed marriage so wife is not religious, but it hurt my wife and reasonably so when my mom replied “oh, son, I raised you better than that.” Still no acknowlegement of fault from that comment and mom thinks wife is “overly sensitive, dramatic, and childish” for wanting an apology for it.
Weddings: Future wife becomes current wife. We had gotten engaged on our next anniversary trip she planned for us. I proposed on our bike and barge through tulip season in holland with our feet in the water of the North Sea after a picnic in the dunes. her family business manufactures photo albums for professional photographers, so aside from our families all being divorced, estranged, difficult, and us trying to save money, we did not have a wedding, we just did the paperwork within a month of the proposal. I had already decided to have a baby with her before the trip so we were trying. 2 weeks before brothers wedding in Tennessee we become pregnant, so we break news immediately as to not steal limelight from brothers expensive wedding. Mom says she will cover cost of rental car so we can save money. Ok great. She books the tiny car and we pack it and head up the Smokey mountains to the cabins we are staying at. Two cabins for grooms family, one for his mother and one for his father, ten paces from each other: they havnt spoken but twice im since divorce in 1995 but through lawyers. Grandmother, mother, stepdad, 2 stepsisters and one boyfriend stayed in mom’s side. Wife and I stay at father’s side cabin with just his wife. His Wife’s 3 daughters and family’s stayed a town away down the mountain among extended family. Anyway, beautiful wedding takes place. My wife is sent into town to collect flowers and run errands for my mom which she happily obliged to since she is a solitary person and did not want wedding day drama. Day after, we are loading our rental sedan with our bags. Mom and grandma need a ride to the airport and our flight is before theirs so they will drop off the car for us 4 hours or so after we go to the airport 5 hours from current time. We’re loading the car. Stepcousin passed out in mother’s cabin night before and needed a ride. Disorganized brunch for 20 people is trying to be made. Father’s wife’s daughter books a reservation for 10 people which include her family, her sisters, me, my wife, dad, and their mom. My stepdad had left for home at this point as he had taken his own suv instead of flying with my mom and 90 year old grandma. So mom is trying to pack grandma in the car with bags and my wife and stepcousin. At this point mother asks stepmother if she and grandma are on reservation for the brunch. Stepmom says no they are not, she wasn’t sure of their plans. Mom says under her breath “fucking assholes, so typical,” and she goes into a bit of a rage to which my stepmom says here “it’s ok I will call and add you two it’s no big deal.” So we continue packing the car and realize we won’t all fit. So my wife tells my stepcousin to go ride with my father to the restaurant 10 minutes away we will meet you there. Mom says to wife, “no you go with the father.” Wife says “no I am going to ride with my husband” mom gets close to her face with her finger and says “this is my car, you can fucking Uber!” Wife is 6 weeks pregnant at this point and it all escalated from here. wife and mother start yelling at each other swearing at each other and we get into the car, mom behind wife who was in shotgun. 2 occasions on the trip I had to stop the car because mom had taken off her seatbelt to stand over the seat and scream in my wife’s face with so much vigor that spit came on to her face multiple times. I’m trying to tell them both to behave and mom sit down shut the f up. Mom is telling wife to get the f out of the car and find a ride, she has no right to speak because she’s “new here” (dating and living together for 3 years at this point). The following brunch she apologized in a crowd with a hushed voice at a table of 20 people trying to have a group conversation again privately to my wife “I’m sorry you get so upset” and my wife told her “that is not an apology.” The following several hours in the car with grandma and stepcousin and wife were some of the most uncomfortable moments of my life. At a gas station I pulled my mom aside and said I need ther to give a huge apology, that it was so nasty and inappropriate, my brother and I are used to abusive language and aggressive behavior but to my pregnant wife and any other human being it is disgusting and unacceptable. Sitting in the car was quiet for many hours until we got to the airport. No speaking about what happened just mom happy go lucky about Tennessee and Dollywood and wife and I in shock, cousin still half in the bag from a fun wedding, grandma 90 years old probably confused about what happened.
The family groupchat: Im waiting on an apology from my mother to my wife who is extremely hurt and expressed to my mom loads of time she needs to reach out and apologize. We’re not talking until she will do so. It is bugging me and keeping me up at night. My appendix flares up and I am admitted to the hospital with emergency appendectomy. Still pregnant Wife suggests I reach out to mom to let her know what’s going on. So I text mom I’m at the hospital and will have surgery. I send a pic or something that on my end says hasn’t gone through. Mom group texts our family group with stepdad, his daughters, brother and his wife, and grandma that I am in the hospital and attaches the pic I sent of me in there. Then she continues to rave about the success of her startup company and how they got FDA approved clinical trials finally completed or some pivotal moment that made the text about her. Wife and I are in a hospital so the picture comes up on moms end as unable to have been sent. Mom assumes that my wife has blocked her phone, so mom removes my wife from the chat. Wife is rushing home to take care of the dogs at this point and is not alerted on her phone, but on everyone else’s phone it clearly reads “(mom) has removed (wife) from the chat.” Immediately I text my mom and basically say how dare you do that to her she is the one who insisted I let you know out of respect and mom responds with blah blah she did this she did that I will not have it. So I go back to the family chat and remove mother. At this point I let everyone in the chat know what my mother has done and how she refuses to take responsibility for how she made my wife feel, address her feelings, apologize or do anything at all to reach out about the wedding incident or even inquire about the wellbeing of the pregnancy for her first grandchild. Stepdad finally steps in and tells me “enough.” Grandma says “shame on you.” I am dumbfounded. This is a hush hush family that hates to have anything out in the open and likes to maintain a picture perfect image. For examples; 1) I and wife were on the family Christmas card of a photo taken at the wedding that the whole world received except for wife and I. 2)brothers alcoholism was to remain hidden from the family as was his rehab treatment and how it affected his career. Now understand that they like to keep things quiet but that is not how I want to handle my problems, these things trigger alcohol use and violent outbursts on my part that I no longer wish to live through. Now appendectomy’s are pretty simple so I recovered quickly (it don’t rupture we just took it out). But during the time I was scheduled to be under anesthesia, stepdad reaches out to wife to have a chat and clear the air. Wife waits until I come to so i can be there and I hear the conversation. He claims to be here as a middleman like a business meeting to fix things once and for all. Wife and I are like wow great. He then proceeds to double down on my moms behalf that they will not be apologizing or meet any of her demands as she had already apologized as confirmed by 90yo grandma who was in the car and my mother herself. The term he used was stalemate to describe the situation. Wife and I are shocked but she has me keep quiet to show me what he will say. He proceeds to yell at her and they were screaming at each other, again steamrolling the conversation assuring us that he was down the middle yet maintains that mom has made a sufficient apology that needs to be accepted and wife needs to grow up and move on, then wishing her luck with the baby and a nice life. Next day I call stepdad to see how it went. He reassures me that he has done all he can and everything is back to normal. At this point I call him out and tell him I was conscious and explain to him what an apology is. But there is no dialogue with this guy like there is no dialogue with my mother. He proceeds to talk loudly over me like she does and basically call me a piece of shit for the amount he and mother have done for me. I speak to him first time like I never have before by calling him a hands off father and a pussy of a man who finally reaches out while he thinks I am under anesthesia to yell at my wife then pretend it’s cool, and I basically tell him he has never done a single thing for me to try and develop me into a man or nurture me as a child into an adult, but he thinks taking me on fishing trips and ski vacations are equivalent to love and nurturing growth and development just like my mom does. I reassure him that he has no right to talk about family being that he ruined his own as well as mine and couldn’t even tell my dad to his face that it was him who was sleeping with my mom behind his back when my dad came to him very upset as a friend when he got an anonymous phone tip at work one day. Then him and my mom laughed about it in court when my dad brought it up during the divorce. We ended with swearing and I felt very happy for finally giving my true feelings to him.
The birth: Months go by and nobody has said a thing. I can’t sleep at night seeing how much love I am getting from my father and his side for the baby, and my wife’s family, then thinking about how my own mother hasn’t reached out a single time. I’m dreaming about beating up my stepdad and it’s driving me mad. So weeks before the due date I reach out to my mom begging her to clear things up and apologize to my wife. Nothing. A week later i tell her how disappointed and abandoned I feel and want her in the family. Nothing. Baby comes a couple days early. Everyone is excited. Mom texts me begging for photos and to let everyone know. I tell her my brother and two stepsisters have received photos. I ask her to please reach out to wife she still needs to make amends for what’s happened between them and all she needs to do is reach out. Mom’s responses have been defensive, derisive, projecting, playing victim and referring to herself as a kicked puppy. Telling me my wife needs to apologize to her and making the conversation about mother son instead. She is beating around the bush. And she is sending me photos of my own baby that I did not send her. Her friends are congratulating me that I did not tell. Again she is pretending that everything is ok and it is not. She asked me to apologize to her husband for what I said on the phone that day. I said ok, watch this. So I sent the guy a message that was very apologetic and not passive aggressive or backhanded comments in any way. Still my mom won’t say anything.
Now: Baby is 6 days old. He is the best thing in my life and I wish my family were involved but it seems like I am living in a fantasy world where everyone can be happy together. I can be a jerk and have a terrible relationship with my mom, but I want more than anything to just feel loved enough where she can swallow her pride and make amends with my wife. Thats it. And she asked the other day to put a family group chat so everyone can be involved… for real? I know she is stressed with a high pressure job, but it seems heartless to me. She asks what big items she can get for the baby. Mom, baby is here we have everything for a couple months already. I said the biggest thing you can do is reach out and have a heart to heart with my wife so this rift can end and we can at least be cordial if you two can’t get along. I don’t think it will happen.

My best friend is in the process of finding a working depression and anxiety medication and has recently moved and started with a new doctor. The doctor initially put her on Escitalopram, getting up to 40mg/day. My friend also has had ADHD since childhood and takes Adderall. She reported to her doctor that during the second half of her menstrual cycle, she experiences worsening mental health symptoms and her stimulant doesn’t feel as effective. She requested to up the stimulant dosage slightly during this part of the month. The doctor declined and instead offered her 10mg of Citalopram to add to the 40mg of daily Escitalopram for ten days leading up to her menstrual period.
She mentioned to me that while taking both, she feels slightly better mentally and emotionally but has an over abundance of energy and creativity along with inability to sleep even if she is physically exhausted. Then when she does sleep, she says she feels like she is never fully asleep. She has not had any changes in behavior other than being more active and productive at those times, but while feeling incredibly fatigued and mentally overstimulated. Then after stopping the Citalopram when her period arrives, she goes back to feeling a more minor insomnia, fatigue, and still not so much improvement on the depression symptoms.
I told her that my understanding is that the Escitalopram dosage is potentially dangerous at that dose on its own in terms of QT prolongation and serotonin syndrome. I also said that I found it odd that her provider would add the Citalopram on top of that high of a dosage. I also couldn’t really find anything supporting combining those two medications.
My questions are: Is this something that is indicated in some cases? Is this as dangerous as Google makes it sound? And is this something worth encouraging her to change providers over? Does she need to be concerned that this may be mild mania?
This doesn’t seem like a competent provider to me as a layman but I also am reticent to encourage her to switch providers after requesting and being denied a higher stimulant dosage, as I don’t know how that would look to a future provider. She has an appointment with the provider next Tuesday and will be discussing these issues, but I wanted to get a general idea of the safety of this as she is currently taking both the remainder of the time till her appointment.
Details: Female, 35, 160lb, 5’2 ADHD, GAD, major depression, PTSD Family history of schizophrenia (parent) Medications: Escitalopram 40mg/day Citalopram 10mg daily for 10 days prior to menstrual period Adderall 15mg ER 1/day

First off don't do drugs. Definitely don't do addictive drugs. Nobody thinks they'll become an addict and be careful with alcohol. Don't smoke pot til college at least. Psychedelics can be useful but are often abused and should wait til college at least
The sober test was done a short time after I started smoking and drinking and to determine whether I needed resource education in HS. In 8th grade I elected to do resource education because I did it in 3rd grade but mostly because a couple girls I liked and a good friend were in the class. It was also fun. Because of the stigma associated with resource in HS I didn't wanna take it.
Sober Test
VIQ: 134
PIQ: 106
WM: 120
FSIQ: 119
The second test was for a court case. My attorney had gotten an expert witness to test me. I had already said to him and my family that I didn't want an IQ test.
24hrs no sleep, 2 beers some Adderall Clonazepam and Weed (legal Rxs)
VIQ: 124
PIQ: 85
WM: 111
FSIQ: 103
Edit: I was always a somewhat serious student. Okay with Bs and Cs if I mostly got As. The first test was in High School and the second in college. I had the same attitude there. I had a B+ average and a B average in college.
Alcohol and drugs have been a consistent problem since HS. Pills (both uppers and downers) Pot and Booze. When I quit drinking I started taking RCs. Mostly downers, some uppers and various use of psychedelics since early High School.
Work History since high-school up to post graduation have been housepanter, grocery, menswear, restaurant, non-profit writing work (part time), journalism (part time). Drugs have hindered my ability to do .more professjonal work but the pandemic also hurt it. I'm currently working with a job counselor to try to get back in nonprofits but I'm hiding my addiction from her
If I can't do it I plan to go back to community college for a paralegal certificate. After college I took the LSAT and got a score of 150 with <50hrs studying. It wasn't good enough for the law school i wanted but not a terrible score. I tried outpatient rehab last year. I'm very resistant to inpatient.
Edit: I have bipolar disorder so the amphetamines is related to mania when I don't sleep.

I have been on/off ADHD meds for almost the last two years with mixed success (I was not diagnosed before that), and I’m coming to a bit of a crossroads and wondering what the best way forward is.
I’ve had the most success with Adderall IR (20mg total) in that it really helps with motivation and getting things done around the house and at work, but I feel like I lose a bit too much of my personality and this can hold back my connection with my wife most importantly. I’ve noticed this because in some short periods of being off it I’m just more enjoyable to be around and connection happens way easier. With my kid, it’s a little harder to be patient and I’m less spontaneous than I’d like to be, but overall it’s fairly manageable and a plus is that I’m better at problem solving kid issues now.
I’ve already tried Vyvanse generic (which was kind of awful for me TBH), Adderall XR (couldn’t sleep) and Wellbutrin (felt very depressed after starting it). So I feel like my options are down to Ritalin or Straterra. I’m talking to my psych about Ritalin this week, but I’m not super hopeful and honestly feeling like meds just might not be worth the downsides for me. I don’t feel like I’m a train wreck without meds, but I have seen enough benefit mostly with career advancement and better personal organization/decision making that I feel it’s worth the trial and error..as long as I don’t have to sacrifice much of my personality for it.
Can anyone relate or share an experience switching from Adderall to a different class of stimulants (or Straterra) that was still effective and actually allowed you to still feel like yourself?

Temazepam is contraindicated if you have seizures or breathing issues and so is Latuda. Temazepam is also contraindicated with antipsychotics, which is what Latuda is used for. Latuda is contraindicated with sleep meds, which would be the Temazepam and also anxiety meds which is the Buspar. So you have someone that supposedly has seizures and COPD and she was just prescribed three meds that are all contraindicated for someone that has seizures or COPD. I don’t think so. Then taking Buspar with Adderall can intensify insomnia, agitation, and other psychological disorders. So they are going to give her two meds that can cause issues that she is already being treated for??? Sorry but I don’t think so. No doctor will prescribe all of these at once without seeing the patient in the office to do a full assessment and at least get medical records. She clearly didn’t tell this doctor that she has had seizures and has COPD then and I doubt the doctor is going to prescribe meds like that without finding out. That’s a malpractice lawsuit waiting to happen. So many lies. So do you have COPD and seizures Big D because you don’t if you were prescribed all those meds contraindicated with those conditions. Did you really have an appointment today for behavioral health or was that your PCP appointment??? Let’s see the MyChart after visit. I’d like to see that anyway to see if it was actually a MyChart Video Visit.

My dad likened it to the opioid crisis when a ton of people got addicted to them. They think I can be cured of adhd if I eat, exercise, and sleep better. They think it’ll destroy me or something. But when I wasn’t medicated I was drinking two monster energies a day just to get by. When I wasn’t medicated I barely brushed my teeth and wanted to stay in bed all day. When I wasn’t medicated my mom nagged at me about all the things that adderall gives me the push to do. I took a week long break from it after graduation and rotted in bed all day. When I wasn’t medicated I was about to fail out of college. I was an absolute mess.
They don’t understand it, and they don’t think I should be taking it. They don’t understand that it’s a chemical imbalance that can’t be “cured.” I have a drug test coming up for a new job, and they’ve made that into an opportunity to bitch about adderall and how I shouldn’t take it cause it’ll show up on the drug test as an amphetimine.
I don’t know what to tell them because they’re listening to people from church who insist that adderall is bad and I should just eat better and exercise. My mom wishes “there was something else to help.” She also said it’s not like blood pressure or heart medication. She keeps asking me if I feel better when I take a break from it now because I’ve been taking it for a couple years. But I feel the exact same way as I did before I started taking it. Because to them if it’s not a physical issue then you just need to work harder. It’s just so frustrating to hear them convince me to stop taking it. I’m not confrontational at all but they want to talk to me about it tonight and I know I’m going to get upset.
I just don’t know what to say to them to get them to stop bothering me about it. I’m going to get upset because I have a lot of shame around being unable to function without it.

Anyone else buy the Trenta Cold Brew from Starbucks, feel absolutely amazing and totally normal and hyped up for the first few hours + with stimulants (Dexedrine/ Zenzedi/ Adderall). Then after the 3rd or 4th hour be so drowsy and tired but you can’t sleep?
Hearts still racing… I get exhausted and can’t move after 4 hours. Then BOOM in the middle of the night I get a second wind and I’m up til 1 or 2 am.
Does this happen to anyone else? I have high blood pressure, narcolepsy, and gastroparesis - I know some of you guys do too.
What do you do to manage these symptoms/ crashes? I have a 7 day cross country long drive to do and I’m relying on this + my stimulants to get me there.

Anyone else buy the Trenta Cold Brew from Starbucks, feel absolutely amazing and totally normal and hyped up for the first few hours + with stimulants (Dexedrine/ Zenzedi/ Adderall). Then after the 3rd or 4th hour be so drowsy and tired but you can’t sleep?
Hearts still racing… I get exhausted and can’t move after 4 hours. Then BOOM in the middle of the night I get a second wind and I’m up til 1 or 2 am.
Does this happen to anyone else? I have high blood pressure and gastroparesis - I know some of you guys do too.

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/05/14/no-easy-answers-lds-parents-wonder
Might be behind a paywall, I have JavaScript turned off on the page so I can read it anyway 😅 I'll put up some quotes and give a tl dr: basically tons of research shows that waking up early as a teen is extremely bad for your mental health, but the church doesn't care.

A mounting body of evidence indicates that teens not only need more sleep than adults but also that hormonal shifts make it harder for them to go to bed before 10 or 11p.m. At the same time, researchers have gained a clearer picture of the risks associated with teenage sleep deprivation, among them serious mental health issues and substance abuse.
Tired teens, recent studies have discovered, are more prone to major depression and risky behavior, including drug experimentation. One study, published in 2023, found that sleep-deprived adolescents were about twice as prone to suicide ideation and consideration, even when adjusting for sexual identity, trauma, bullying and other related factors. Another, published the year before, suggested a possible link between poor adolescent sleep and an increased risk of schizophrenia.

The church won't make any changes, and the parents and kids are brainwashed into thinking it's worth the "sacrifice". They have other options, like online or late night classes, but since they're not the norm kids and parents still feel the pressure to keep the status quo and do regular seminary. It's a classic "cultural" problem where the church refuses to acknowledge the influence it has on the problems it causes.
My two cents: I definitely don't have any lasting sleep disorders exacerbated by seminary /s 🙄 Jazz band at my high school was before school, my freshman year I just went to seminary instead, but then we tried having seminary just for a handful of band kids after school. For whatever reason by my junior year we switched to extra early seminary at 5:45am (I know a ton of people that had it that early as well in other districts and states). I slept through every class that wasn't active (like band or drafting) every single day of that year and the next. I even had to drop out of honors pre-calculus because I just couldn't stay awake.
The kids in most classes referred to me as "that sleeping kid". Though to be fair it was pretty funny when I got the second highest score on the practice AP physics test and the guy who sits next to me was like "what?? He's asleep ALL THE TIME" (I didn't do as well on the actual test though 😅).
And now in my thirties it's almost impossible to even get out of bed without Adderall or a large amount of caffeine, and it's impossible to get to sleep without Ambien or a large amount of weed (and yes, that includes days where I didn't take stimulants, and vice versa). This research on how much sleep teens actually need is almost a decade old, and some high schools have even pushed back their start times because of it (and consequently saw a noticeable bump in their test scores). And the church still won't address this issue that's actually harming kids. They either don't care about the kids outside of Utah or really appreciate how much easier brainwashing is when you're sleep deprived.

I have been dating my partner for about 2.5 years, living together for about 9 months. We've had some ups and downs- nothing breakup worthy- but we've both had some significantly tough times. Given some recent events in our life, I would like some advice as to whether or not I'm being realistic in terms of my expectations of him and our relationship.
My partner's Dad was hospitalized in January for a cardiac episode. He was released after 5 days and during the follow up appointments, it was discovered that he had colon cancer. He had surgery that removed the tumor in late April. During the surgery, they removed 26 lymph nodes and sent them out for testing. 1 of nodes came back positive for stage 3 cancer cells. The oncologist said his best course of action would be chemo to rule out any additional cancer cells that may exist before they become a bigger issue. He'll be starting chemo in early June. My partner is understandably negatively affected by this diagnosis. For context, his Mom survived breast cancer about 12 years ago, during which time my partner was her primary caregiver, but his best friend's father just died from cancer 3 weeks ago. The best friend's father went from totally fine, to diagnosis, to dead in less than a month. It was brutal. Partner's father is not in the best shape health wise, and quite frankly, my partner is anticipating a poor outcome from the chemo/cancer. I'm trying to be positive and supportive for the family, but it's taking its toll on all of them, as is to be anticipated.
As this whole thing has been happening, my partner has been going through it in terms of his mental health. He's struggled with depression and panic attacks for most of his adult life. He's been on an antidepressant for years. After his father was hospitalized in January, he was temporarily laid off from his job because of his poor work performance. The company basically told him they wouldn't let him return to work until he started therapy and got his shit together. He started seeing a therapist in February and started Adderall for his ADHD in March. It's been better in the sense that's he's more communicative with me, seems to be on a bit of a better schedule, etc. He started back to work on May 1st. Going back to work has been pretty good- he likes his new position and his schedule is much more consistent now, so that's good.
This entire time, I've been supporting our household financially as he completely drained his small emergency fund in less than 5 weeks. Financially, we are total opposites, and it stresses me out! I have 150K in savings/retirement, and he has only a couple grand saved and nothing in retirement. We've been talking about getting married, but in December (before this whole ordeal even started) we had a conversation where I ultimately told him marriage was off the table until he's financially in a better position, and he'd agreed to open retirement accounts and asked me to help him budget etc., but this was before the whole cancer- laid off- therapy thing even started. We haven't really discussed it much since.
Some of the other issues that we continue to have is that he's generally unable to remember to do any tasks unless I remind him incessantly (as in, tell him multiple times, text him, call him, etc.) Tasks would include: taking out the trash, putting away his vapes so the dog can't get to them, brushing his teeth, putting laundry in the basket, picking up his wet bath towels, etc.
The biggest one that bothers me is his lack of consistency after I go to bed. He's a night owl and stays up late, which is fine, but he'll (more often than not), pass out on the couch with the lights on, the TV on, the computer playing a video, food and drinks all over the living room, didn't brush his teeth, etc. I wake up naturally a lot throughout the night so then I either go get him from the living room, basically force him to brush his teeth and get in bed, and then have to deal with the mess/electronics myself at whatever ungodly hour it is OR just leave everything as is and go back to sleep. If I do that, I still have to deal with all of those things when I wake up at 5 am with the dog and get ready to go to work- she's a puppy who's excitable and it's so much easier on me if he's in the bedroom in the morning so she'll stay focused on me and I don't have to worry about her getting to his vapes, food, drinks, etc.
As a side note, the fact that his oral health is so poor is disgusting to me. I've already set a strong boundary that I will refuse to kiss or be intimate with him unless he's brushed his teeth at least once per day. He's a very touchy person that likes physical affection, so it's tough for him that I refuse to kiss him unless his teeth are brushed, but it's generally pretty effective in helping him to remember to brush them. At least, it was until January.
I want to be clear that our communication is pretty good, and all of the boundaries I have/expectations I've set are things we've talked about and agreed upon together. These are all areas in which he agreed and often he was the one to suggest that he needs to work on. I also didn't mention the areas I've agreed to work on within myself, but there are a few.
Given the things happening with his Dad, I feel like an asshole pushing him to be better with his finances, health, and chores, but I also don't think I can deal with these things NOT getting worked on for the next 8-12 months (the projected length of his Dad's treatment). So- what's the balance? How can I support him through this which pushing us to work on our relationship? Or, is it totally unrealistic to expect that right now? I know I want to have a conversation with him about our foreseeable future but I want to be realistic as to what I can/should ask of him. So- what do you think?
Edit: For context, my partner would like to be engaged by the end of the year. He'd been saving for a ring/wedding prior to getting laid off. I pushed pause on that plan because I was uncomfortable with his lack of financial stability and generally felt that he did not pull his weight of the household responsibilities. He agreed to work on these things before taking the next step. He still wants to propose this year, despite what's happened.

I was diagnosed with ADHD in my 30s, about 5 years ago. I tried a few medications and couldn’t sleep well (doctor and I realized I clear medicines EXTREMELY slow so moved to instant release and it was much better) but soon after that I was trying to get pregnant at the time so I stopped taking meds.
Fast forward to a few months ago, my kid is 3 and I was having a really hard time with focus. I decided to try medication again.
I began with 5mg IR adderall (I split the dose into 2) and even on the first day it was completely life changing. My brain stopped doing a million things at once. Sleep was hard at first but that side effect passed.
I also have terrible IBS which is better and my mood felt more even and balanced.
However, 5mg stopped working pretty quickly and didn’t last long enough. So I went to 10mg.
Now all the above positive effects and I was sleeping better and it was lasting most of the work day if I divided up my doses right.
But then I felt like 10mg wasn’t quite working the same and I am now on 15mg
I’m just feeling worried I’m developing tolerance but maybe this is normal? I began medication early March of this year.
It’s been so life changing in so many positive ways I really want this to keep working.

Before requesting to try Jornay PM I tried to do a lot of research. Within this community I saw several people posting that they would share their journey for people trying to do the same research I was trying to do, but didn't see any that actually kept up with it.
I would like to do this & I think I can actually keep up on it because I'm heavily into researching things, so much so that I transitioned my career into a research role. I love learning, finding resolutions & sharing what I learn. If I can help others in the process, I'm even more into it.
We all know that medication effects different people in different ways. This will be an account of my experience. I plan to update this for at least 6 months & then I may return at a year if I'm up to it/remember.
Background: I have combined type ADHD, inattentive primary. I have also had delayed sleep phase syndrome for as long as I can remember, definitely longer than I have been diagnosed & before I knew what DSPS was.
With my DSPS I could be exhausted all day, with an extreme low mid-day, but my energy would shoot up at sundown no matter what. It is very difficult for me to wake up. I hate mornings. I tried all the things: No light, red light, white noise, brown noise, nature sounds, mindfulness, no electronics, reading before bed, hot Epsom salt baths, melatonin, Rx sleeping pills, etc. Nothing worked. Lay down at 9-11 pm, no sleep til 1-3 am.
I was on Adderall. I tried XR at first. Although it helped my ADHD symptoms, it exacerbated my sleep issues. I switched to IR thinking it may help. It did not. I lowered my dose thinking less effective treatment may be worth being able to sleep. It did nothing. I have spent a year & a half falling asleep from 4-7 am & having to start work at 8 am.
My hope is that Jornay PM will effectively address my ADHD symptoms as well as help me with my sleep disorder. I was started at the equivalent dose to the dose I was taking of Adderall: 20 mg Adderall; 40 mg Jornay PM. Even though my Adderall was too low my PCP didn't want to increase on the new Rx until we knew how it would effect me.
I have spent 1 week on 40 mg Jornay PM. It has had no effect on my symptoms. Today my PCP increased my dose to 80 mg. I will update.
Ps. The coupon on the Jornay PM website works as long as you choose a pharmacy that accepts it. I use Rite-Aid. The first dispense is free, $25 after with my insurance coverage. $75 without insurance coverage. Otherwise it is like $400-something.

Age: 24 Sex: M Height: 5’9” Weight: 140LBS Race: White Duration of complaint: 2 years Location: Utah Current medications: Venlafaxine, mirtazapine, gabapentin, adderall, quetiapine
Carcinoid or Serotonin Syndrome?
I’m on a tricyclic and an SNRI. When I drink the night before or when I don’t get enough sleep I get carcinoid/serotonin syndrome symptoms. My face turns red and hot except around my eyes and my heart races accompanied by diarrhea. My sclera also turn red a lot of the times. This began after I tried Wellbutrin for a few days then stopped cuz it happened the first time. It’s been over 2 years since the first instance. My doctor says “we can’t do anything if you’re not having symptoms when you get here” which I know is bullshit but they’re all I have coverage for. This never used to happen and I’ve been on my other meds a year or more before this began.

My girlfriend (F38) and I (M37) have been together for 3 years and have a 20 month old son together. Their motheson bond is huge, and it is quite apparent that they love each other. The two of us, as partners and parents however, are struggling.
When we met through a mutual friend in 2021 things were great. We could both say that it was the best relationship of our lives. She moved in with me 3 months after dating and was pregnant 4 months after moving in.
We both have some issues with substance use/abuse. I smoke an obscene amount of weed (legal where we live) and she likes to drink to the point where she has admitted that she struggles with alcohol addiction. (She also helped me realize that I indeed struggle with cannabis addiction myself.)
When she was pregnant in 2022 I was unable/unwilling to quit smoking. The smell bothered her greatly when she was pregnant and said that it was the cause of her unbearable heartburn. I did cut back, but not in any truly meaningful way. We had our first big fight while she was pregnant, and began fighting more and more, and in bigger ways.
She had birth complications in the hospital and the doctors trying to induce her pregnancy caused a lot of vaginal pain and trauma for her. So much so that she had to schedule a C-section. As a result of that trauma, we haven't had sex, aside from two times, since our son was conceived. (One of which was when she was freshly pregnant)
In fall of 2023 she was closing the bar she worked at and was chased to her car by a strange man. She quit working then which ended up placing a financial burden on me and our relationship.
In Spring 2024 she started a social media management company and started doing social media at a bar she used to work at.
In May 2024 we got in another huge fight and she told me that she wanted to break up. (She had said that before but this time she started looking for an apartment) I also found out that she was talking to one of her male friends who works at the bar and had developed an emotional relationship with him and were texting back and forth but assured me that it was never physically (which I do believe). When I found out I told the guy to back off or I would tell his girlfriend, and she tried to act like I didn't have a leg to stand on because we "already broke up." (She told me that she wanted to break up on a Wednesday, and on the following Saturday I found out that they had been texting about the possibility of hooking up. But the two of them had been texting about non work stuff and flirting before she actually broke up with me)
We both have traumas, her more than me. Mine are all relationship traumas from being in emotionally abusive relationships and being cheated on. Hers go deeper: her dad left the family when she was young, her late mother and her had a love/hate relationship, She was physically abused by a fiance, She was cheated on multiple times by an ex-husband, She had a traumatic birth complication, and she was assaulted (chased) by a man at night leaving work.
Because of her trauma and anxiety she talks to me in a negative and aggressive way pretty often. She always used to say "I'm from the Northeast, this is just how we talk." But I think there is unresolved trauma that makes her lash out at me. She also spends a decent amount of time out at the bar "working" but also hanging out. (I also spend my fair share of time blazing in the garage) I also think she may have General Anxiety Disorder coupled with lingering postpartum depression. She used to be prescribed adderall for ADD but stopped taking it when she got pregnant. Shortly after our son was born I found her a therapist to talk about postpartum depression, but she wouldn't follow through with making the appointment.
Since she stopped working in September 2023 (after being chased) I have gone into debt covering all of the household bills and her personal bills. I pay the mortgage, I give her money to pay bills and student loans, I buy all of the groceries, I buy her vapes, I give her a few bucks to grab a drink or a coffee when she is out, She watches our son while I am at work two days a week and my parents watch him the other 3 so she can do her social media job and project management job. I also feel like when we are home together, she is too overwhelmed and I end up being the one to take care of our son. (Oftentimes on the weekend she sleeps in while I get up with our son because she is often a grumpy/angry morning person)
It is also worth noting that I bear the brunt of her attitude. Our son gets the happiest, most engaging mother when they are interacting together. Friends and acquaintances get the cool, funny, laid back version of her (unless she is calling someone out for something social justice related)
She also doesn’t have a valid ID because she let her out of state ID lapse when we first got together, and doesn’t have her old marriage/divorce paperwork together to get a new one. Because of her anxiety, and my enabling, she hasn’t had a license for over 2 years. Furthermore, she drives my second car uninsured (sometimes after drinking)
The bottom line is that I still love her immensely and can't imagine my life with anyone else. She has expressed nothing but confusion and ambiguity for what our future holds. One minute she is talking about getting an apartment, the next she is talking about what kind of flooring we should put in the basement. She said that she doesn't want to see other people or anything, she just wants to get her life in order, and that she can't do that with me.
Has anyone else gone through anything similar? Any advice is welcomed.

I take adderall XR every day, and I've noticed some problems when I excercise on it in the mornings. If I do a workout or even walk too far in the morning, for the rest of the day my chest would feel weird and I would be way more anxious than normal, and I'd have a lot of trouble focusing. After exercise I'd become extremely restless and feel the urge to walk around all day. It feels way different than taking adderall normally. Then at night I'm be unable to sleep. This has even been happening when I exercise later in the day or when I exercise before taking the meds, I'm still feeling restless and more anxious for the rest of the day.
It's really frustrating because I love to exercise but I can't sleep when I do. I told my doctor and he said he'd never heard of something like it before, and I haven't found anything online. I'm only on 10 mg XR now, so not like a huge dose. Has anyone experienced anything like this with adderall and intense exercise? I really am mystified by what's going on and just want to see if anyone has had a similar experience

I'm getting really frustrated.
I've been on four different medications prescribed to treat ADHD.
Vyvanse when I was 17, 32mg which made me jittery like drinking too much coffee, but stopped working after three days.
Strattera, up to 32mg last summer, which did nothing.
Concerta, 18mg, which was amazing for three days, then nothing, so we upped to 26mg, which did nothing.
Adderall XR, 10mg to start, worked for three days, then nothing. No dosage increase because the negative side effects for those three days were too much for me to handle.
Trying Vyvanse again, starting at 10mg. It's doing nothing.
I don't understand how sometimes, the drugs work, then they just stop working after a few days and sometimes, increasing the dose doesn't make the drug work again. I'm not on any other medications. I don't smoke. I rarely drink. I sleep well. I eat fine. I could exercise more, but my job is pretty active.
I just don't get it. I'm so tired of the fatigue, the lack of energy, the lack of mental clarity, the loss of cognitive functioning and executive functioning.
I'm so tired of trying a new medication and it works for three days, then my body just decides, "nope, we don't want you to be a capable, functioning person, go fuck yourself!"
I don't get it. I'm at a loss.

Howdy!!
https://www.addysafe.org was a really good resource for me when I was taking Adderall XR. I’m curious if anyone has ever taken any of the recommended supplements with Vyvanse and what their experiences have been.
I’m definitely going to do more research on this. It mentions Ritalin too so I wonder if the advice works for all stimulants?
Here are some of the supplements listed:
“Memantine (Rx) can work well to reduce tolerance
Selegiline (Rx)
L-Tyrosine (after) (Helps replenish dopamine, which will help even out the highs and lows)
Omega 3 Fatty Acids (before/whenever) (General brain health)
Vitamin D (morning) (Mood)
Inositol (Reduces nail biting, hair pulling and other obsessive symptoms)
B12
B6
Piracetam”
“Before 10-30 minutes before.
Magnesium Glycinate: 1x200mg Pill (2,000mg magnesium glycinate, which is equivalent to 200mg elemental Mg)
(Use the linked brand. Many brands or formulations of magnesium have low absorption rates)
R-ALA: 1x100mg (Reduces neurotoxicity)
ALCAR: 1x500mg (Reduces neurotoxicity)
L-Theanine: 1x200mg (Helps prevent tolerance buildup, however more for reduction of anxiety/paranoia/irritability)
CoQ10: 1x100mg ("Extremely long half life antioxidant, various beneficial effects on mitochondrial function")
1-2x Tums, or 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda mixed in a glass of water (Potentiates Adderall due to reduction in stomach acidity)”
“After To help you: Go to sleep easier and feel better tomorrow.
Magnesium Glycinate: 1x200mg Pill (2,000mg magnesium glycinate, which is equivalent to 200mg elemental Mg)
(Use the linked brand. Many brands or formulations of magnesium have low absorption rates)
R-ALA: 1x100mg (Reduces neurotoxicity)
ALCAR: 1x500mg (Reduces neurotoxicity)
Vitamin C: 1000-2000mg (The acidity of vitamin-c will help reduce the effects of Adderall, making it easier to sleep)
Melatonin: 5-10mg roughly 30 minutes before bed (Keep in mind we are using a higher dose here for it's antioxidant properties. Normal dosages should be .5mg to 1mg.)”
Edit: formatting things to make it more readable (list above is copied directly from addysafe.org) ***Also please consult your doctor before taking anything!!

Hello everyone! I was on Vyvanse for ADHD & BED. I made it up to 40mg. For some reason it worked great for BED but not ADHD. I crashed really bad and got irritable. I also had awful insomnia.
Then I tried Adderall IR 10mg twice a day. I felt great on it. It helped with BED and improved my attention a little bit but not much. I didn’t want to increase it because it raised my heart rate & BP. High BP runs in my family. I didn’t crash but I still had terrible insomnia. I also started getting angry. Then doctor added Guanfacine ER 1mg to Adderall.
I took both and the Guanfacine totally eliminated the insomnia. My sleep is so deep and restful. I feel like I didn’t know what sleep was until I started Guanfacine!! I am calmer and smiling all the time.
I noticed that I actually felt better when the Adderall wore off so after a week I stopped taking the Adderall. I actually feel better and think better with just the Guanfacine. I have energy and I’m calm. I don’t feel angry anymore! My impulse control is so much better. I was afraid it would do nothing for BED but it does! I don’t even think about food until I’m actually hungry. I can see candy and other sweets and have no desire to eat it. I really didn’t think Guanfacine would work. I’ve seen mostly bad reviews and just a few good ones. I’m hoping it will keep working! It’s cheap and I have no problems getting it!

Alright this is gonna be a long one.
I don’t like calling him my twin for reasons I will explain later on, but it’s the best description for our dynamic. It’s been over a year since I last saw him.
I met my twin in 2021 during my first year of culinary school. We both had similar names and looked similar. We quickly became part of the same friend group. Due to our names being alphabetically next to each other we sat next to each other and were paired up as partners. Even after we had the opportunity to change seats and partners we still stayed together. Even though we had just met people thought we were either siblings or dating because of how well we got along. We were both the biggest stoners in class and he sold so I started buying off him.
I wasn’t really interested in him romantically, but I felt a strong urge to be close with him. I wanted to be friends, best friends. I thought he liked me but I wasn’t sure. Us being opposite genders made things awkward at times. A couple months into school I told him we should hang out, and he said he wanted to. Later on when I asked about it again he said he couldn’t because his “girlfriend didn’t like me”. This is the first I’d heard of her. I gave up on the idea of us hanging out, and things stayed the same.
Until about a month later he got super sad out of no where. He was following me around like a puppy and wouldn’t leave my side. This was somewhat normal because I knew how to cook and he didn’t so he’d always follow my lead. But he wasn’t even taking his locker room smoke breaks like normal. I eventually asked about it but he just said he was sad nothing else. I was sad too at that time because my dog just died, so I like having him around. I eventually found out his girlfriend broke up with him, which I kinda thought that’s what happened.
He eventually got happier and became super flirty with me and seemed jealous, almost possessive, when I was around other guys, so I thought he was into me. I worked up the courage and asked him if he liked me, but he said no. Even still he kept being flirty, so I told him I liked him. Because in a weird way I thought I can’t be his friend if I’m a girl, I’d have to be his girlfriend. He told me he had already started dating someone new. He said he still wanted to be friends and partners, and that we could forget the conversation ever happened.
We pretended like everything was fine after that, but it wasnt the same anymore. I began smoking more (the stuff i bought off him) and taking more adderall because I couldn’t sleep and was tired all the time. I started spiraling and lost a lot of weight. Eventually I started missing school. We weren’t as close and he began spending more time in the locker room, leaving me with all the work. I heard him say to a guy friend “A key that opens many locks had a lot of value, a lock opened by many keys has no value at all”. That was the last straw. I decided I didn’t want to be partners with him anymore.
Without warning, I left him started working with some female friends. On valentine’s day no less. I stopped sitting with him. Which made it blatantly obvious to everyone in the class that something had happened between us. Everyone thought we were best friends. This was really hard for me because Ive always had trouble going to school, and I only liked going because of him. He’d still try to come around me and butt into my conversations even though it was obvious I was ignoring him. I remember a time he followed my with the mop bucket the whole time I was mopping even though I made it clear I didn’t want to be around him.
I’m not sure when it started, but I began to enter a spiritual psychosis, I started to lose my mind. I was convinced he was my twin flame. But I was pissed at what he’d said about locks and keys and how he’d acted towards me even though he had a girlfriend. I was convinced I had teach him right from wrong and then we would be in union. I started blowing up his phone and in hindsight I was acting totally crazy. We argued a lot and he blocked me. I’d somehow still convinced him to drive me to school one day which is beyond me.
At that point, I realized something was really wrong with me. I quite literally hadn’t slept for days and became extremely underweight. I felt like I was dying. I had horrible chest pain and constant ringing my ears. I started to believe people were after me because I knew things I wasn’t supposed to. I eventually decided to go to a mental hospital. I was diagnosed with severe psychosis. I was drug tested and found out I was laced it fent and amphetamines. The stuff I was getting from him. I know he didn’t do it on purpose, he was smoking his own stuff. And he took and lot of precautions to make sure his stuff was good. I strongly believe the psychosis as due to the drugs.
After two weeks I was released, but I wasn’t really better. When I got back to school, I told him I needed to talk to him in private so we started walking to his car. I told how I went to a mental hospital and they told me I was laced. He immediately got spooked and turned around saying that I was lying and that his stuff wasn’t laced. He didn’t believe me which I understood, I had been acting crazy. But this was life or death and he wasn’t listening. I kept trying to tell him to listen to me but he was avoiding me. Our mutual friend said he wanted to get a restraining order on me, which I get, I was acting crazy. But i wasn’t lying. I threat be to go to the cops on him if he did that.
I decided to drop from the program to avoid it from going anymore south. I came by on the last day before summer to see my other friends. Our mutual mentioned how my twin wanted to apologize to me but he’d already left for the day. My friend called him on his phone and he said he was sorry for being a shitty partner and stuff and how he’d stopped selling. That was that.
I decided to go back to school second year, thinking he wouldn’t be there. Turns out he was. We awkward smiled at each other. Later during class, I approached him, and he seemed happy to see me and asked how I had been. We chatted and went to go talk in private about what happened. We agreed we were cool.
We weren’t really close after that. We chat here and there but for the most part that was it. He became friends with a new kid at school who seemed to hate me. Probably because he couldn’t tell who I was to him. On the last day before winter break, I was hanging around him and some other guy friends. They were looking at cars and my twin compared a car having a lot of owners to a girl having a lot of boyfriends. I said I didn’t want to hear that. It escalated into an argument fast. His friend kept butting in which only made things worse. I told him to stay out of it because he didn’t know what was going on. I was yelling at my twin for lacing me and all trauma it gave me. My medical bills. How I could never like him. It got bad enough that eventually my twin pulled me to the side to calm me down. He tried to pinky promise me he wouldn’t say misogynistic things anymore but I didn’t accept.
I missed the first few days back to school after winter break. My twin wasn’t at school. Apparently, our chef had tried to put me and my twin in a group together and he said he didn’t want to work with me. I later found out he had dropped from the program because it was “waste of time” and to get a job. I dropped shortly after too for personal reasons. The last time I ever saw him was that argument we had.
I think of him everyday. I regret how I handled things so much. If it wasn’t for the drugs things never would have turned out this way. I’m grateful to have found out because someone could have ended up in the hospital or worse. But I hate how things ended between us. I miss him so much. I’ve never formed such a strong connection to someone and in such a short amount of time. I really want to reach out but I’m scared he wants nothing to do with me.

So historically, any time I’ve taken any sort of B vitamin complex, I get side effects similar to what I’d imagine taking a half bottle of adderall would do - wired up, anxious, jittery, irritable. It’s awful.
For what it’s worth, I have MTHFR, and take a separate methylate folate supplement. I’ve tried the methylated b vitamin supplements and get similar side effects mentioned above. I finally gave up on taking them, figuring that I just couldn’t tolerate them.
I came across this B-Minus complex from seeking health on a Facebook post and saw where others said this was one of the best formulations and figured what the heck, I’ll give it a try. I took it fully expecting to the electrified feeling I usually get, but instead, they WIPED ME OUT. I had to go take a nap after I got off work yesterday and I could have easily slept until this time today.
I haven’t taken another one, as I’ve almost had this hangover thing going on, and I’m just curious if anyone knows why this may have affected me this way. How can one formulary get affect me with that miserable, wired feeling but this one was like taking a sedative??
I have a long history of sleep problems, diagnosed with narcolepsy in 2018, and I’ve seen where some have said curing their b vitamin deficiencies resulted in better sleep, so that’s why I’m so intrigued with this new development.
Thanks in advance…

Age: 24
Height: 5'10
Weight: 158lbs
Race: White
Primary Complaints: Fatigue, Hair Loss, Lack of energy, Excessive sleeping
Existing medical: ADHD, MPB
Medications: Adderall XR 20mg, Dutasteride 0.5mg
Drinking: Socially
Smoke: Less than or a pack a day
Drugs: None
Hello all.
As the title and primary complaints suggest, I am consistently tired. While at my girlfriend's house, I slept for 11 hours. I attempted to wake up at 8 with alarms but couldn't keep my eyes open or really force myself to get up. This is not a uncommon issue for me as this has been going on for almost a year and a half. When I wake up, it is a genuine struggle to get out of bed, as I literally cannot force my eyes to stay open long enough. I will simply roll back over and have been known to sleep almost half of the day away.
Even after I wake up, I am in a constant groggy daze that slowly gets better after a few hours. Im almost like zombie. I don't respond to people when they start talking to me; just grunts or short answers. I noted that it almost feels like speaking when im in this state would take too much energy. As the day goes on, I return to what I can only describe as how I used to feel when I was awake as a teenager. Around 3-4PM, I start to have a sensation in my eyes that almost feels like tingling/very close to how dry eyes feel. I get fatigued and I get very lethargic as this feeling in my eyes goes on and I eventually will either take a nap or power through it.
The issues are persistent, whether I take Adderall or not. I had a month off of work and I slept for 12+ hours a day, so I don't believe it's sleep deprivation.
TL;DR Constantly tired, severe lack of energy, hair has been thinning and started around the same time my fatigue issues started, and I STRUGGLE to wake up in the morning.

I've been taking adderall xr for a couple months now and slowly increasing my dosage. I had absolutely no side effects until I hit 20mg, which hit me with appetite suppression (lost nearly 10lbs, was already near underweight), constant nausea, and sleeping issues despite taking my meds at 6:30-7am most days. Talked to my doctor after 2 weeks of 20mg and she said go back down to 15mg since I had absolutely 0 side effects and the benefits of the meds hadn't really increased from 15-20 anyways. I've only been back on 15mg for a few days but I'm still feeling all of the side effects from 20mg that I wasn't previously. I took my meds later today and felt a noticible difference 20 minutes after I took the meds compared to before. I always eat something like bread or rice before taking my meds.
TLDR: Medication side effects won't go away, is this something that I just have to wait out or is it permanent at this dosage. If so, tips on gaining weight, managing nausea, and sleeping better?