What is incisive papilla

It started last night, mild at first but has gotten worse throughout the day, I have never had this before, not where it is located anyway. It is right in the centre of the roof of my mouth, somewhere near the front, right behind something called the incisive papilla according to some diagrams I looked at.
I don't have a dentist I can just go to, or a doctor, I live in ass end nowhere and unless I am dying I don't tend to go to the doctors.
Best way to describe the pain is like someone is blowing up a small balloon inside both sides of the roof plate.
It started last night after eating some like chocolate caramel bar thing that someone gave me, it was mild at first but it has been growing and now it is the worst it has been since then. I have also had a lot of blocked noses since then too, It isn't a common thing with me so it might be something sinus related.
If I press into the point where it hurts it relieves the pressure but then comes back a few seconds later, kinda like a most sinus issues I get from time to time. If I suck and produce pressure in my mouth it also relieves it to a lesser extent.
Ya'll got any advice or ideas? If it continues into tomorrow and Monday I will be going to the doctors, naturally. But until then I am boned.
Also It is very much not a burn I have burnt my mouth on pizza enough times to know what that is like.
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EDIT: Also I have check it with a mirror on a stick or whatever it is called and there is no swelling or redness, looks like it always does.

There are five things that I still don’t understand about mewing even after a year of doing it:

1. Tip of the tongue - Many say that the tip should be on the incisive papilla without your tip touching the front teeth, and some say slightly behind it. However, moving the tip even a few mm affects the back of the tongue.
   
2. Back third - People say to make the “ng” sound and that’s where the tongue should rest all the time. However, when I say a word such as sing, the back of my tongue touches my molars, and for a while I’ve been pressing the middle part of my tongue against my palate, and the sides against my molars. This makes it hard to do the suction hold Do I do it this way or should I try and squeeze as much of my tongue to fit between the molars? I’ve seen mewing videos where it seems like the tongue is squeezed between the molars.
   
3. Swallowing - Many on this sub say the easiest way to mew is to swallow and hold that position. However, when I try to hold the swallow I can’t breathe. Along with this, people say that when you swallow there shouldn’t be any movement from the cheeks or under the chin. But there is a bulge under my chin during the beginning part of the swallow, and my cheeks get sucked inward.
   
4. Muscles under the chin - I can move the muscles under my chin and have that sharp jawline look without actually moving my tongue. I can also have that look while moving the back third of my tongue, but then I end up touching my molars. Do I do both at the same time or just one?
   
5. Suction hold - This ties in with the back third, but a lot of times it seems like I can only suction “half way”, and the suction doesn’t feel strong. I also notice that my part under the tongue, compared to many pictures, is much thicker and bigger, which could be making things more difficult.
   

What is to be done? Thanks

There are five things that I still don’t understand about mewing even after a year of doing it:

1. Tip of the tongue - Many say that the tip should be on the incisive papilla without your tip touching the front teeth, and some say slightly behind it. However, moving the tip even a few mm affects the back of the tongue.
   
2. Back third - People say to make the “ng” sound and that’s where the tongue should rest all the time. However, when I say a word such as sing, the back of my tongue touches my molars, and for a while I’ve been pressing the middle part of my tongue against my palate, and the sides against my molars. This makes it hard to do the suction hold Do I do it this way or should I try and squeeze as much of my tongue to fit between the molars? I’ve seen mewing videos where it seems like the tongue is squeezed between the molars.
   
3. Swallowing - Many on this sub say the easiest way to mew is to swallow and hold that position. However, when I try to hold the swallow I can’t breathe. Along with this, people say that when you swallow there shouldn’t be any movement from the cheeks or under the chin. But there is a bulge under my chin during the beginning part of the swallow, and my cheeks get sucked inward.
   
4. Muscles under the chin - I can move the muscles under my chin and have that sharp jawline look without actually moving my tongue. I can also have that look while moving the back third of my tongue, but then I end up touching my molars. Do I do both at the same time or just one?
   
5. Suction hold - This ties in with the back third, but a lot of times it seems like I can only suction “half way”, and the suction doesn’t feel strong. I also notice that my part under the tongue, compared to many pictures, is much thicker and bigger, which could be making things more difficult.
   

What is to be done? Thanks

If anyone reads this and see this, please upvote so that many see this and get the answer!
Hello there! I'm turning 19 this January 2024! I mew by keeping the tip of my tongue on the ridge and a bit forward on the Incisive papilla! Then say "ng" which gets my tongues mid part to the end of hard palate! Then I swallow to create a vacuum and suction hold the posterior third/back third of my tongue to the soft palate which keeps all together! Perfect! And I only use force on the back third of my tongue and bit on the mid which I try not to apply on mid, but happens because of suction which is okay I think!
Now comes the problem!
When I tongue sweep by getting the saliva from the place where the saliva was(on bottom and below tongue tip)with mostly the tip of the tongue, that place gets filled with my lower lip!(gets sucked into it!) Which, if it was a little, I would've ignored! But I think its a lot! So to solve this I break my lip seal and get that space filled with air! And then again when saliva comes back that area gets filled with both air and saliva! Which again I do tongue sweep, which repeats the whole error! I mean the only error in this perfect cycle is the part where I break my lip seal to fill AIR!!
So, what to do? Or is this okay?
Not sure if it's due to my very tiny chin recession!
Also, to solve this, is it okay if I annoyingly wait enough to get the space that gets filled with my lower lip to get filled with only saliva like without air after every sweep? So that the lip that got sucked into that space gets freed?
All this while my whole tongue(including back third or posterior third) and upper palate is vacuumed/glued together perfect! and back third engaged!
If anyone reads this and see this, please upvote so that many see this and get the answer!

If anyone reads this and see this, please upvote so that many see this and get the answer!
Hello there! I'm turning 19 this January 2024! I mew by keeping the tip of my tongue on the ridge and a bit forward on the Incisive papilla! Then say "ng" which gets my tongues mid part to the end of hard palate! Then I swallow to create a vacuum and suction hold the posterior third/back third of my tongue to the soft palate which keeps all together! Perfect! And I only use force on the back third of my tongue and bit on the mid which I try not to apply on mid, but happens because of suction which is okay I think!
Now comes the problem!
When I tongue sweep by getting the saliva from the place where the saliva was(on bottom and below tongue tip)with mostly the tip of the tongue, that place gets filled with my lower lip!(gets sucked into it!) Which, if it was a little, I would've ignored! But I think its a lot! So to solve this I break my lip seal and get that space filled with air! And then again when saliva comes back that area gets filled with both air and saliva! Which again I do tongue sweep, which repeats the whole error! I mean the only error in this perfect cycle is the part where I break my lip seal to fill AIR!!
So, what to do? Or is this okay?
Not sure if it's due to my very tiny chin recession!
Also, to solve this, is it okay if I annoyingly wait enough to get the space that gets filled with my lower lip to get filled with only saliva like without air after every sweep? So that the lip that got sucked into that space gets freed?
All this while my whole tongue(including back third or posterior third) and upper palate is vacuumed/glued together perfect! and back third engaged!
If anyone reads this and see this, please upvote so that many see this and get the answer!

The palate is the roof of our mouth that separates our oral and nasal chambers. Because the palate is made up of bone and muscles, it is prone to injuries, infections, and other problems. You may have pain and soreness on the roof of your mouth on occasion. It occurs as a result of illnesses such as allergies, infections, and others.
You may detect pimples on your mouth palate and feel them with your tongue or fingers. Right?
Hard cysts form the bumps on the roof of the mouth that resemble little blisters. It is a mild ailment that resolves on its own. Injuries primarily cause oral bumps, canker sores, cold sores, infections that can lead to cysts on the lips, and intra-oral regions such as the tongue, palate, and so on.
Aside from this, a variety of disorders have been associated to the development of bumps on the palate. This blog post has highlighted them.
What could create pimples on the roof of the mouth?
1) Papilloma Squamoma
Squamous Papilloma is characterized by excessive development of soft tissues within the oral cavity. It is a harmless disorder caused mostly by the human papillomavirus (HPV). It gradually develops pimples anyplace inside the mouth with no pain. A difficult palate is hardly an exception.
When it develops larger, it will resemble a cauliflower-shaped white or pinkish lesion and will cause discomfort when eating. Even though it is a benign condition, it has the potential to become cancerous in rare circumstances. In such cases, dentists recommend surgical excision of the cyst.
2) Palatinus Torus
Torus palatinus is a benign disorder that causes bone development in the center of the hard palate. This disorder causes spherical and smooth oral pimples. Some people are born with this ailment, while others develop it as a result of difficulties such as crowded teeth, jaw bone abnormalities, and so on.
Palatal tori lumps, like those caused by Squamous Papilloma, become bothersome when they grow larger. It will make chewing, swallowing, and wearing dentures difficult..
3) Nasopharyngeal Duct Cyst
The incisive papilla, which is the area behind the two front teeth, is where the nasopalatine duct cyst forms. As a result, it is also known as an incisive canal cyst, and it appears as swelling in the palatal regions.
Its precise cause is unknown. However, researchers believe that this abnormality is caused by embryogenic remains in the region where the maxillary sinus connects with the nasal cavity.
In most circumstances, it is also harmless, but there is a slight risk of discomfort.
4) Pearls by Epstein
Epstein Pearls are small, innocuous whitish-yellow cysts that form in the mouths of newborns. It shows as a 1 to 3 mm colored hump on the roof of the infant's mouth.
It is not unusual and usually fades away before the infant reaches the age of three months.
5) Mucoceles
Mucoceles are innocuous mucus-filled cysts caused by irritations in the salivary gland. It appears as transparent, round-shaped pimples that range in size from 2 to 10 millimeters. It is likely that it can move around inside the mouth but does not cause pain.
Oral mucous cysts can last anywhere from a few days to months and break on their own.
6) Orthodontia
Hyperdontia is a disorder characterized by the development of an abnormally large number of teeth anywhere in the mouth. These extra teeth are known as Supernumerary Teeth. Extra teeth on the palate behind the front teeth can occur in persons with Hyperdontia. It resembles pimples on the roofs of their mouths.
It is critical to get these additional teeth extracted by a dentist. Otherwise, they might contribute to tooth crowding and cause jaw pain.
7) Teeth that are not normal
Teeth are typically erupted in the dental arch.
Teeth rarely grow in locations other than the dental arch. Ectopic eruptions are the medical term for this illness. Dentists believe it is caused to iatrogenic activity, developmental disruptions, and tumor growth.
If it grows on the roof of your mouth, it will give your palate a bumpy appearance.
8) Throat Strep
Group A strep bacteria are frequently found in the nose and throat. They are gram-positive aerobic organisms that cause difficulties in the throat, skin, and other areas. When the bacterium infects your throat, you will experience pain and scratching.
Similarly, it causes lymphatic tissues at the back of your throat to grow. The roof of your mouth may have some lumps in such circumstances.
It is common and can be treated with antibiotics.
conclusion
In most circumstances, bumps on the roof of the mouth are innocuous. It is caused by a variety of reasons. It is almost never linked to significant, life-threatening disorders.
If the lumps persist for several weeks or are accompanied by discomforts such as extreme burning, changes in size, strong pain, foul breath, or others, see a dentist right away. It could be an indication of the advancement of any infectious illnesses within your oral cavity or body.
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Basics: I am a 36yo Asian woman, 5'2", 150lbs. I vape. I have (mostly dormant) asthma, seasonal allergies, bipolar II, anxiety, and borderline personality disorder, though I suspect the last may be misdiagnosed autism (awaiting assessment). I deal with joint aches and hypermobility, and neck and back pain, which may be related to EDS-HT, though I lack family medical history necessary for diagnosis. I currently take Effexor XR (150mg), Lamictal (50mg), Klonopin (1.5mg), Metformin (500mg not for diabetes), Linzess (145mcg), Neurontin (900mg for the issue described below), Flexeril (5mg PRN), and Celebrex (100mg PRN).
I am dealing with the feeling of hypermobility/lack of support to the left side of my mouth and face. I have had brain, face, and neck MRI come back clean, and two doctors have told me the muscles in my face are functioning normally, with no signs of palsy. I have an upcoming appointment with a neurologist.
This is a strange issue from what I’ve gathered after multiple visits to different dentists, ENTs, periodontists, oral medicine specialists, and general physicians. I have been told a research centeuniversity is my best option, but I still worry they will not be able to help me, as I have already visited one university. I am constantly told there is nothing that can be done by an oral surgeon, as there is nothing visibly wrong with the tissue on my palate; I have also been told radiograph does have the capabilities of seeing the sort of detail I describe and can feel with my tongue, which is frustrating.
I cannot definitively say whether this is one or multiple issues, but the timing of the onset of symptoms and what feels like reciprocity between sensations in the face and mouth makes me think they all originated from the same injury. The areas affected also make it difficult to discern what sort of physician is ideal to see—I have been told ENT, oral surgeon, and plastic surgeon.
In 2017, I had a tiny but sharp protrusion on my anterior hard palate (near the left lateral incisor and cuspid) that continually bothered my tongue. In frustration, I pulled at it with tweezers. (Yes, I know this is stupid.) I have no recollection what the protrusion ended up looking like, but there was moderate pain and mild bleeding.
Shortly after—and potentially unrelated—I detected tissue poking out by the gumline near my maxillary left premolars. I used my tongue to pull at it constantly until I had a noticeable length of what felt like a smooth, flat ribbon of tissue that ran near the gumline toward the central incisors. At certain points, it felt like it was connected to thinner, more rigid pieces that lightly snapped as they were pulled out of place.
In late 2022, the tissue that formed a relatively cushy papilla felt like it unwound vertically towards the foramen, leaving a flat and narrow covering over the incisive canal. I have been informed the tissue covering the palate is a continuous sheet and cannot “unwind,” but I can only explain what it felt like. I also realize this likely means what feel like ribbons or fibers to me are likely either torn tissue or areas where the tissue has fused back together more thickly.
Shortly after, I noticed a heaviness and fullness to my left jaw and cheek, followed by pulling sensations in the left half of my face and intermittent asymmetry—mostly of the base of the nose, philtrum, and mouth, which all seemed to noticeably skew to the right.
I experienced occasional “episodes” of dystonia—tense neck, raised shoulders, chin toward shoulders—accompanied by sensations of light tingling that traveled forward over the head (a horizontal line of tingling that covered the face) and face or inward from the sides of the face (a vertical line). It made my eyelids flutter as it passed. I also experienced tension on the ears, a sensation of twisting in the throat with trouble swallowing, the feeling of indigestion, and was left with a temporary grinding sound when moving my neck. Sometimes with these episodes, I had the sensation of some layer below the skin of the face moving, as if being peeled, once with the sensation of membrane/tissue peeling upward in my left nostril. I also experienced the feeling of something taut slipping inward over the right sternocleidomastoid, followed by intense pressure at the suprasternal notch. I developed a vertical neck band on that side.
While I discounted this in the past as my imagination, I will add I experienced (more than once) the feeling of a line of pressure or tissue move from behind my left ear, over the edges, and down the ear into the face; I could pause the movement with my finger, and it was sensitive when passing the tragus. I experienced a similar sensation of a band pulling off my left nostril.
I was often left with the feeling my face was “twisted." Manipulating my face with my hands helped lessen the sensations in my face. The left and right sides of my mouth felt pulled in opposing vertical directions when smiling, e.g. right side up and out, left side down and out. When smiling, I am still able to run my finger from just above the upper left lip to below the lower left lip and my smile will turn more into a grimace on that side and hold position, while it remains a smile with similar motion on the right side.
I also experienced pain in the cuspids, coldness around the front six maxillary teeth, numbness in the lower half of the face and in the nose/to the sides of the nose, and increased twitching throughout my face.
Because I pick at my mouth with my tongue without thinking, I continued to pull on the annoyingly out-of-place tissue in my mouth. The aforementioned “ribbon” felt like it would pull across my palate, causing pain on the left side. Eventually, the layers of one of my left anterior rugae/ridges began to peel (I suspect the lateral end is where I tweezed), followed by the opposing ridge on the right. There are what feel like wiry pieces left around the little remaining tissue of the left ridge, which can feel painful. While anxious, I also pulled some of the tissue from central ridges further back on the palate, which was immediately followed by the feeling of a million pinpoint-like pressure points in the apples of my cheeks.
Here is a link with photos [LINK]. I felt pulling by my eye in the third face photo. The diagram of the palate is what the tissue in my mouth sometimes feels like—very uncomfortable.
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Reposting this for the 4th time now because some people are saying mewing is bullshit despite doing it incorrectly and others being confused. I'll try to make this as detailed as possible.
>>> Where should I put my tongue?
The tip of your tongue should be on the incisive papilla (Near your front teeth but NOT touching them). Go to a mirror and raise your head and focus on that area right between your head and neck, and then close your mouth fully and just suck your tongue to the roof of your mouth in a way that makes you feel like your mouth has been completely shut. You may notice that the area you were just focusing on had gotten flattened or had moved slightly. If you do notice that change then it means you're mewing correctly.
Also, putting your tip on the incisive papilla will feel weird and unnatural at first and you will feel that there's a gap above your tongue. But don't worry, you're going to feel the opposite later.
"What about the ridge?"
I also used to put my tongue on that ridge for some time because it gave me the illusion that my entire tongue was engaged while in reality, it was only the tip. Don't do that.
🔑 Key tips:

• Maintain a straight-back posture.
• Keep your mouth fully clothed with your lips closed.
• Only breathe with your nose.
• Do NOT let the tip of your tongue touch your teeth, it should be right behind it but not touch it.
• Lower your body fat percentage to see the best results.
• You may notice that you salivate more when mewing. That's normal.

Feel free to ask any questions you might have. I'll answer as much as I can. ⭐

I’m going to myofunctional Therapy and the dude told me to place the tip of the tongue where the hard palate start so further back than y’all saying, What is the right place incisive papilla or where the hard and soft palate meet?

I’m going to myofunctional Therapy and the dude told me to place the tip of the tongue where the hard palate start so further back than y’all saying? What is the right place incisive papilla or where the hard and soft palate meet?

We can’t feel incisive papilla but how do we know we are tip of them?

Around two years ago I went in for a dentists appointment and was informed I was showing receding gums and early signs of gum disease. I was very distraught for multiple reasons, one of which being how cruel I felt the dentists were being towards me. Looking back on it I was probably being overly defensive and not wanting to hear the bad news, but I just couldn’t take how the dentists were talking to me. I really wanted compassion and practical advice, instead I had a revolving door of professionals coming in to shame me, to make me feel small. So I didn’t take their advice seriously, which was such a mistake. For whatever reason this suppressed memory came back to me recently and I’ve been becoming more and more aware of my mouth and the issues I’ve been facing as of late. The gums seem to be easily inflamed and seem to have only receded further. I have a molar near the back of my mouth that makes a sound anytime I poke it with my tongue, I worry that it’s starting to wiggle. The little oval shaped ball behind my two front teeth that I believe is called a incisive papilla is very inflamed. I also realized the way I’ve been brushing is totally incorrect, I’ve been brushing fast and hard which is the opposite of what you should do. So the last week I’ve started to improve my oral hygiene, something I’ve struggled with as these problems demonstrate. I’ve gotten an electric tooth brush and use it 3 times a dayusing the correct brushing methods. I floss and use mouthwash twice a day, and plan to continue doing this for the rest of my life. I’ve totally quit drinking soda and eating any type of candy. I’ve got a dentist appointment scheduled for when I get back home from college and am so scared by what they might find. I can’t believe I waited this long to try to improve this. If you have any addiontal advice please let me know. Reading about gum disease is a scary thing, so ashamed I didn’t take it seriously sooner. Worried it’s too late. I don’t want my mouth to rot.
Edit: I do not smoke. I drink maybe once or twice a month.

Some people say while mewing you need to put your tip on the incisive papilla but when im enganging my tongue on the roof my tip is above the alveolar ridges (pretty much impossible to mew while having the tip of your tongue on the incisive papilla on my point of view). What do you guys think?

What does "normal" feel like when palpating the hard-palate anteriorly (near the incisive papilla)?
Incidentally noted a broad area of fluctuance at the hard-palate- maybe not fluctuant per se, but rather "spongy" and distincly different (not as hard) to the remainder of the palatal rugae. Not sure if this is normal/normal variant in canines or a cause for concern.
She is geriatric, brachy breed, and hasn't had a dental in 5 years (not a candidate for GA due to cardiac and hepatic issues). She was reluctant to let me look, on quick glance didn't see any ulceration, plaque or mass, just noted the fluctuance.
Thank you!