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2024.05.14 17:21 ludhianavi (Follow up: Update) Should I confess my love for her ? I am 25M and she is 26F
Hi everyone,
This is a follow up on my post made yesterday morning which got so many responses. A lot of people were asking me for the update and here I am after making a decision. Before that, I honestly am very grateful that you all shared your valuable life perspective with me.
I decided to not confess my feelings for her and from the pointers you people all mentioned here is what I have concluded:
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This is a follow up on my post made yesterday morning which got so many responses. A lot of people were asking me for the update and here I am after making a decision. Before that, I honestly am very grateful that you all shared your valuable life perspective with me.
I decided to not confess my feelings for her and from the pointers you people all mentioned here is what I have concluded:
- I fell in love with her. It is not the fault of the girl. And definitely the guy she is dating is definitely not the one who should suffer because of any of my decisions because that poor guy does not even knows me. I can make delusions that they are in LDR, he might not love her as much as me but yes they might all be just delusions and that guy can be in deep love with her and I don't want to do the sin of being an asshole doing this shit.
- The major reason I planned to not confess was also because I realized that through our conversations I definitely gave her a lot of hints. I was being very expressive (and probably now i think at some points creepy too), complementing her smile, her words, her accent and her nature and if she had been interested she should have reciprocated but she did not. I believe ki no matter how much i love her mujhe uske galle nahi padna hai
- I saw this post today in the sub where one of the girls doubts about her marriage with his BF because of his best friend and I felt bad for his BF and imagined myself at place of his best friend and definitely understood the prospective that I might have been wrong.
- Well, I definitely love the girl a lot and probably will keep loving her the whole life. She has a pretty face, kind nature, everything beautiful but I died on her because she had a beautiful burn on her arm which she got while cooking food. I was just obsessed with that mark that although i will joke about it , I just actually love it.
- I had been a porn addict since like 10 years now . Since i have met this girl i have not seen porn (35 days now and its biggest streak since these last 10 years). She definitely healed a part of me and this porn rehab was not forced or intentional. It just happened as all day i was thinking of her and well thats an habit i had been able to quit because of her
- I am not sure, how and when I will move on because as I said yesterday due to nature of my job, my family (we are typical conservative families, so never had to been a club or used stuff like tinder) but I definitely will limit my conversation with her. I am gonna absolutely kill the conversations from my side though I am not gonna block her or anything.
- One part of me, still has an "umeed" that one day she will come back but I have packed it in a bag and kept that umeed in one part of my brain and will let it be there.
- Lastly, I definitely ended up putting blame of all of this on god. My life had been a fucking roller coaster in last 3-4 years because of some financial reasons. Only recently my side hustle started paying off results and I comfortably left my job and in the last 10-15 days of my job this scene happened. I am definitely gonna keep grudges with god for this... :( I have been lying like a dead body since last two days because when I am depressed i sleep a lot haha ... but i hope in 2-3 weeks I will be doing better.
- Some people commented bad about the girl in my last post. Well, she never gave me any direct signals, never flirted back. If she had been dishonest she probably have never told me about his ongoing relationship and had let me continue flirting with her but she made clear to me she is committed.
2024.05.13 19:55 M_hadi0 [REQUEST] [STEAM] Upgrade to DARK SOULS™ II: Scholar of the First Sin (14.99$) {-50%} (3rd attempt)
Game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/335300/DARK_SOULS_II_Scholar_of_the_First_Sin/ My steam : https://steamcommunity.com/id/Gladiator_HADi/
Dear gaming community, I'm here once again asking for a great game made by Fromsoftware. DARK SOULS II: SotFS, an enhanced version of original DARK SOULS II, First let me tell you about my experience with DARK SOULS II, I bought the original one last year and it was such an amazing experience, slaying bosses all across Drangleic, visit a fallen king, slaying dragons, I mean it was perfect, everything about it despite the hate it got, but after playing I realized I bought the old version of the game and that was the reason why I rarely encounter players online, and suddenly all of my friends are playing the Scholar version, and I can't join due to separated servers. I know as a man I should buy things by myself and I was about to, but my friends credit card (which I was using to get steam currency and then give it to him in cash) stopped working, and I searched all the local stores but there are no Steam Cards, I know it's like living in an empty island, so that's why I'm here, kindly asking you to let me re-experience this underrated masterpiece.
it would be cool if you could help and make me able to play with my other friends, also, please don't mind my poor choice of words, I'm not that good at writing.
Thanks, everyone, for reading my post, and have a nice day .
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Dear gaming community, I'm here once again asking for a great game made by Fromsoftware. DARK SOULS II: SotFS, an enhanced version of original DARK SOULS II, First let me tell you about my experience with DARK SOULS II, I bought the original one last year and it was such an amazing experience, slaying bosses all across Drangleic, visit a fallen king, slaying dragons, I mean it was perfect, everything about it despite the hate it got, but after playing I realized I bought the old version of the game and that was the reason why I rarely encounter players online, and suddenly all of my friends are playing the Scholar version, and I can't join due to separated servers. I know as a man I should buy things by myself and I was about to, but my friends credit card (which I was using to get steam currency and then give it to him in cash) stopped working, and I searched all the local stores but there are no Steam Cards, I know it's like living in an empty island, so that's why I'm here, kindly asking you to let me re-experience this underrated masterpiece.
it would be cool if you could help and make me able to play with my other friends, also, please don't mind my poor choice of words, I'm not that good at writing.
Thanks, everyone, for reading my post, and have a nice day .
2024.05.13 14:56 richoka How The Gentile Church Is A Tool In God’s Hands To Save Israel
The last time we met I talked about how the following prophecy was fulfilled:
“Therefore Adonai the God of Israel says, ‘I did indeed say that your family and your father’s family would walk in my presence forever.’ But now Adonai says, ‘ Forget it! I respect those who respect me, but those who despise me will meet with contempt. The day is coming when I will break your strength and the strength of your father’s family so that no one in your family will live to old age. At a time when Israel is prospering, you will see a rival in my Dwelling; and never will anyone in your family live to old age. Still, I won’t cut off every one of your men from my altar; because that would make your eyes grow dim, and you would waste away. Nevertheless, all your descendants will die young.” -1 Samuel 2:30-33
God is speaking to Eli and letting him know that not one member of his family will live to see old age.
That prophecy was fulfilled when Saul ordered the slaughter of Achimelech and his entire household of priests.
However, there was another major prophecy fulfilled when this event occurred.
It’s contained in verse 32:
“At a time when Israel is prospering, you will see a rival in my Dwelling; and never will anyone in your family live to old age.”
So we’re told Eli’s family had a rival.
Who was this rival?
It was none other than the family of Zadok.
Eli and his offspring were from the line of Ithamar.
Ithamar was one of Aaron’s sons but it was NOT the legitimate High Priestly line.
It was only the descendants of Eleazar who were supposed to be the High Priests.
So which line did Zadok come from?
He came from the legitimate line of Eleazar…
Which means if God was gonna set things straight…
He’d have to dispose of Eli and his family in due time.
Well, we saw that He did just that when Saul ordered the slaughter of the priesthood.
However, recall one member of Eli’s family named Avyatar escaped.
He became the High Priest despite being from the illegitimate line of Ithamar.
So for a while, there were two rival High Priests in existence as follows:
Avyatar from the illegitimate line of Ithamar and…
Zadok from the legitimate line Eleazar.
David allowed these two competing High Priests to serve at the same time…
But when David’s son Solomon assumed the throne, the situation changed.
When Solomon came to power, he booted out Avyatar.
Once that happened, the way things should have been per the Torah were restored.
Now, I dunno about you but my mind is blown away here.
God allowed a terrible massacre to be carried out by a partnership between an Israelite and a gentile that resulted in the elimination of Israel’s priesthood.
This was a terrible evil that Saul committed using his gentile dog the Edomite Do’eg (pun intended).
But here’s the thing.
It was an illegitimate priesthood because it came from the illegitimate line of Ithamar.
Ya feeling me here homies?
There are a couple of amazing takeaways to be extracted from today’s article.
First, there is such a thing as righteous racism.
Bloodlines freakin’ matter man…
Especially when it comes to the Levites and God’s holy priesthood.
That’s the first takeaway.
The second takeaway…
Well heck, in terms of the second takeaway, I can do no better than to quote the Messiah Himself…
“Don’t think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened.”
See, here’s the thing…
Just because God allows some religious institutions that claim to be doing His Will to exist does NOT mean they’re legit or will stand forever.
If they’re not in alignment with the Torah, eventually they gotta go.
They could just be a tool in God’s hands to achieve His agenda before He discards it.
I’d say the gentile Christian church fits this description to a tee.
Come to think of it, ain’t that exactly what the Apostle Paul said in Romans Chapter 11?
Didn’t he say he’s using the gentile church to provoke Israel to jealousy?
And then after the full amount of Gentiles has entered in, it’s goodbye to the gentile church, and time for all Israel to be saved.
Honestly, I can’t see how God is going to allow a lawless institution like the gentile church to stand forever.
Think about it.
He allowed the very priesthood of Israel to represent Him for a time but then He eliminated it.
Do you think God is going to allow an institution that has a history of anti-Semitism and preaches that God’s Holy Torah has been done away with to stand forever?
OH HELL NO!
CONNECTING THIS TEACHING TO THE NEW TESTAMENT
“For, brothers, I want you to understand this truth which God formerly concealed but has now revealed, so that you won’t imagine you know more than you actually do. It is that stoniness, to a degree, has come upon Isra’el, until the Gentile world enters in its fullness; and that it is in this way that all Israel will be saved. As the Tanakh says, Out of Tziyon will come the Redeemer; he will turn away ungodliness from Ya‘akov and this will be my covenant with them, . . . when I take away their sins.” -Romans 11:25-27
P.S. If you wanna check out another scorching post on this topic, click HERE to read an article titled “Three Reasons Why The God Of Israel May End Christianity”.
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“Therefore Adonai the God of Israel says, ‘I did indeed say that your family and your father’s family would walk in my presence forever.’ But now Adonai says, ‘ Forget it! I respect those who respect me, but those who despise me will meet with contempt. The day is coming when I will break your strength and the strength of your father’s family so that no one in your family will live to old age. At a time when Israel is prospering, you will see a rival in my Dwelling; and never will anyone in your family live to old age. Still, I won’t cut off every one of your men from my altar; because that would make your eyes grow dim, and you would waste away. Nevertheless, all your descendants will die young.” -1 Samuel 2:30-33
God is speaking to Eli and letting him know that not one member of his family will live to see old age.
That prophecy was fulfilled when Saul ordered the slaughter of Achimelech and his entire household of priests.
However, there was another major prophecy fulfilled when this event occurred.
It’s contained in verse 32:
“At a time when Israel is prospering, you will see a rival in my Dwelling; and never will anyone in your family live to old age.”
So we’re told Eli’s family had a rival.
Who was this rival?
It was none other than the family of Zadok.
Eli and his offspring were from the line of Ithamar.
Ithamar was one of Aaron’s sons but it was NOT the legitimate High Priestly line.
It was only the descendants of Eleazar who were supposed to be the High Priests.
So which line did Zadok come from?
He came from the legitimate line of Eleazar…
Which means if God was gonna set things straight…
He’d have to dispose of Eli and his family in due time.
Well, we saw that He did just that when Saul ordered the slaughter of the priesthood.
However, recall one member of Eli’s family named Avyatar escaped.
He became the High Priest despite being from the illegitimate line of Ithamar.
So for a while, there were two rival High Priests in existence as follows:
Avyatar from the illegitimate line of Ithamar and…
Zadok from the legitimate line Eleazar.
David allowed these two competing High Priests to serve at the same time…
But when David’s son Solomon assumed the throne, the situation changed.
When Solomon came to power, he booted out Avyatar.
Once that happened, the way things should have been per the Torah were restored.
Now, I dunno about you but my mind is blown away here.
God allowed a terrible massacre to be carried out by a partnership between an Israelite and a gentile that resulted in the elimination of Israel’s priesthood.
This was a terrible evil that Saul committed using his gentile dog the Edomite Do’eg (pun intended).
But here’s the thing.
It was an illegitimate priesthood because it came from the illegitimate line of Ithamar.
Ya feeling me here homies?
There are a couple of amazing takeaways to be extracted from today’s article.
First, there is such a thing as righteous racism.
Bloodlines freakin’ matter man…
Especially when it comes to the Levites and God’s holy priesthood.
That’s the first takeaway.
The second takeaway…
Well heck, in terms of the second takeaway, I can do no better than to quote the Messiah Himself…
“Don’t think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened.”
See, here’s the thing…
Just because God allows some religious institutions that claim to be doing His Will to exist does NOT mean they’re legit or will stand forever.
If they’re not in alignment with the Torah, eventually they gotta go.
They could just be a tool in God’s hands to achieve His agenda before He discards it.
I’d say the gentile Christian church fits this description to a tee.
Come to think of it, ain’t that exactly what the Apostle Paul said in Romans Chapter 11?
Didn’t he say he’s using the gentile church to provoke Israel to jealousy?
And then after the full amount of Gentiles has entered in, it’s goodbye to the gentile church, and time for all Israel to be saved.
Honestly, I can’t see how God is going to allow a lawless institution like the gentile church to stand forever.
Think about it.
He allowed the very priesthood of Israel to represent Him for a time but then He eliminated it.
Do you think God is going to allow an institution that has a history of anti-Semitism and preaches that God’s Holy Torah has been done away with to stand forever?
OH HELL NO!
CONNECTING THIS TEACHING TO THE NEW TESTAMENT
“For, brothers, I want you to understand this truth which God formerly concealed but has now revealed, so that you won’t imagine you know more than you actually do. It is that stoniness, to a degree, has come upon Isra’el, until the Gentile world enters in its fullness; and that it is in this way that all Israel will be saved. As the Tanakh says, Out of Tziyon will come the Redeemer; he will turn away ungodliness from Ya‘akov and this will be my covenant with them, . . . when I take away their sins.” -Romans 11:25-27
P.S. If you wanna check out another scorching post on this topic, click HERE to read an article titled “Three Reasons Why The God Of Israel May End Christianity”.
2024.05.13 07:34 Odd-Hand-2026 As i was customer service to buy my ice cream a women asked can I give you a track. The cashier couldn’t do my digital coupons so i gad to go to Customer service for those. My mom wanted me to use my Dads cell number but the house number connects too.
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2024.05.13 01:11 RainbowReserve Arizona finally recognizes the Rainbow Reserve's location after confirming our coordinates with our new retracement survey!
 | After a rather comical interaction akin to Curb your Enthusiasm, we had our contractors confirm and describe each corner coordinate. We ended up with an 'L' shaped property in 10 acre squares. submitted by RainbowReserve to u/RainbowReserve [link] [comments] We've also found an ally to assist with creating the Reserve's charity fund. Excited for the next successful milestone! https://preview.redd.it/3bov2k4av20d1.jpg?width=5400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=223bc26028e9262bd20abbf5659038d10dfb6fc7 |
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2024.05.12 17:38 Internal-Win-333 Puerto Rico Report & Parking Hack
The wife and I visited Puerto Rico last week and I managed to sneak in three short sessions at the crap tables. The short version is that I managed to come out with a net $1,325 gain, hopefully ending my long 6 month losing streak, but that’s another story.
Our tour book informed us that by law, all casinos are closely associated with hotels. I’ll explain how that is significant.
Tuesday was a washout with torrential rain in the afternoon, so we decided to explore a few of the San Jose casinos using our rented car. First up was Foxwoods which is right next to the airport. When we drove up to the property, there was a sign directing us to a casino players parking lot. Didn’t expect this and a nice surprise. It’s a tiny lot, but plenty of room on a Tuesday. The casino had one very long crap table that probably has room for 10 or even 12 players per side for a total of 20 or more. Unfortunately, the table wasn’t open. When I asked the pit boss about it, he said they’d recently moved the table from one end of the pit to the other and were still installing the cameras. Craps info: $10 min, ATS 175x All, 34x Small, 30x Tall.
On the way out, we asked the security guy by the door how to pay our parking ticket. His reply, “Take it to the Player Reward Desk over there and they’ll validate it for free parking.” Really? Sure enough, we got it validated, no questions asked, even though we hadn’t bet a dollar. Fed the ticket into the machine at the gate and we were off again.
After a short drive, the next stop was the Marriot Resort and Stellaris Casino. We pulled up the hotel lobby main entrance and told the attendant we were there for the casino. He told us they had both valet and self parking available. Valet parking came with a fee, but self parking was free with validation. I’m already feeling like a winner by discovering free parking at the hotel/casinos. We parked, found our way to the casino and the lone crap table only to find it empty and unmanned. The pit boss apologized for not having a crew. A blackjack dealer standing next to us recommended to hit La Concha just a short walk away because they always have a crap game going. Because the rain had now become monsoon force, we chose to get back in the car and drive.
With a little google magic we soon discovered that La Concha hotel and Casino del Mar were the same property. This was another little piece of good luck as Casino del Mar was one place I planned to visit after reading about it on this sub such as this thread: https://www.reddit.com/Craps/comments/17jfh93/craps_in_puerto_rico/ . They’re still at $5 min.
I play 3 point molly with occasional 6/8 place, bought in for $400 and decided to start with 10+20 odds (they allow 3/4/5x odds). The first two shooters sucked with point, come, come, 7. The dice came to me, and I held them for about 30 minutes. I pressed my initial $10 bets up to $30 odds, and from there pressed my pass and come bets in $5 increments all with triple odds. My last bet was an 8 come for 25+75 before finishing my roll with about $900 profit. I stuck around for a couple more shooters and colored in +$750. I was able to get back to Casino del Mar on Friday and ended up -$25.
We were staying at Margaritaville which is about a 40 minute drive east of San Juan. That evening after dinner at the hotel, I hit their tiny casino with the smallest crap table I’d ever seen. It could fit 4 people on each side, depending on the size of the players. The table had a 2 person crew, one dealing both sides and a stick plus a third on break, no box man but one or two pit bossed hoovered nearby. $10 min and $200 max. That max will limit higher stakes players or when a very hot shooter shows up. No ATS or hop bets. I managed to finish the session +$600 after a $28 dealer tip. I almost always tip, win, lose or draw. The Margaritaville crap table is only open Friday and Saturday and the table opened about 6 pm on Friday.
Recap: Street parking in San Juan is a nightmare. There are a few public parking garages depending on your destination. For gamblers, most of the casinos don’t have parking, but their associated hotels do and it’s free with validation at the player rewards desks. Valet parking is available for a fee.
I finished the week +$1,325 at the tables.
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Our tour book informed us that by law, all casinos are closely associated with hotels. I’ll explain how that is significant.
Tuesday was a washout with torrential rain in the afternoon, so we decided to explore a few of the San Jose casinos using our rented car. First up was Foxwoods which is right next to the airport. When we drove up to the property, there was a sign directing us to a casino players parking lot. Didn’t expect this and a nice surprise. It’s a tiny lot, but plenty of room on a Tuesday. The casino had one very long crap table that probably has room for 10 or even 12 players per side for a total of 20 or more. Unfortunately, the table wasn’t open. When I asked the pit boss about it, he said they’d recently moved the table from one end of the pit to the other and were still installing the cameras. Craps info: $10 min, ATS 175x All, 34x Small, 30x Tall.
On the way out, we asked the security guy by the door how to pay our parking ticket. His reply, “Take it to the Player Reward Desk over there and they’ll validate it for free parking.” Really? Sure enough, we got it validated, no questions asked, even though we hadn’t bet a dollar. Fed the ticket into the machine at the gate and we were off again.
After a short drive, the next stop was the Marriot Resort and Stellaris Casino. We pulled up the hotel lobby main entrance and told the attendant we were there for the casino. He told us they had both valet and self parking available. Valet parking came with a fee, but self parking was free with validation. I’m already feeling like a winner by discovering free parking at the hotel/casinos. We parked, found our way to the casino and the lone crap table only to find it empty and unmanned. The pit boss apologized for not having a crew. A blackjack dealer standing next to us recommended to hit La Concha just a short walk away because they always have a crap game going. Because the rain had now become monsoon force, we chose to get back in the car and drive.
With a little google magic we soon discovered that La Concha hotel and Casino del Mar were the same property. This was another little piece of good luck as Casino del Mar was one place I planned to visit after reading about it on this sub such as this thread: https://www.reddit.com/Craps/comments/17jfh93/craps_in_puerto_rico/ . They’re still at $5 min.
I play 3 point molly with occasional 6/8 place, bought in for $400 and decided to start with 10+20 odds (they allow 3/4/5x odds). The first two shooters sucked with point, come, come, 7. The dice came to me, and I held them for about 30 minutes. I pressed my initial $10 bets up to $30 odds, and from there pressed my pass and come bets in $5 increments all with triple odds. My last bet was an 8 come for 25+75 before finishing my roll with about $900 profit. I stuck around for a couple more shooters and colored in +$750. I was able to get back to Casino del Mar on Friday and ended up -$25.
We were staying at Margaritaville which is about a 40 minute drive east of San Juan. That evening after dinner at the hotel, I hit their tiny casino with the smallest crap table I’d ever seen. It could fit 4 people on each side, depending on the size of the players. The table had a 2 person crew, one dealing both sides and a stick plus a third on break, no box man but one or two pit bossed hoovered nearby. $10 min and $200 max. That max will limit higher stakes players or when a very hot shooter shows up. No ATS or hop bets. I managed to finish the session +$600 after a $28 dealer tip. I almost always tip, win, lose or draw. The Margaritaville crap table is only open Friday and Saturday and the table opened about 6 pm on Friday.
Recap: Street parking in San Juan is a nightmare. There are a few public parking garages depending on your destination. For gamblers, most of the casinos don’t have parking, but their associated hotels do and it’s free with validation at the player rewards desks. Valet parking is available for a fee.
I finished the week +$1,325 at the tables.
2024.05.12 15:00 av-law Brigham Young and John D. Lee, The Executor of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, Were Joined At the Hip: They Were "Birds of a Feather" - Part IIIB
BRIGHAM YOUNG AND JOHN D. LEE, THE EXECUTOR OF THE MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE, WERE JOINED AT THE HIP
THEY WERE “BIRDS OF A FEATHER”
Part III - B
Disposal of Property:
Brigham Young gave cattle stolen from the emigrants during the Massacre to John D. Lee. What to do with cattle in the possession of Brigham Young’s militia (for whatever reason) was a decision Brigham Young was asked to make and made. The Indians were supposed to have ambushed the emigrants all by themselves, yet Brigham’s soldiers ended up in charge of the spoils. Those rewards included seventeen children of tender age later recovered from southern Utah Mormon homes, where they were placed after their parents were murdered. Initially, John D. Lee had charge of Charley Fancher. “I told the Indian to let the boy alone. I took the child up in my arms, and put him back in the wagon, and saved his life. This little boy said his name was Charley Fancher, and that his father was Captain of the train. He was a bright boy. I afterwards adopted him, and gave him to Caroline. She kept him until Dr. Forney took all the children East.” (John D. Lee, “Last Confession and Statement of John D. Lee,” p. 16-17). The possessions of the Arkansas Company were a literal treasure trove of the kinds of things urgently needed on any frontier. Much of what had belonged to those unfortunate emigrants, who were beautifully equipped, was placed in the hands of Phillip Klingensmith, a Mormon Bishop in Cedar City, Utah. Bishop Klingensmith had been a prominent participant in the multi-day attacks against the Fancher party at Mountain Meadows. He would later ignore his dreadful oath and put his life at risk to publicly reveal the disgraceful details of that great American crime.
The cattle assigned by Brigham Young to John D. Lee, after the massacre, were clearly those taken from the murdered emigrants at Mountain Meadows. “At Lee’s first trial [he was saved by a hung jury], Klingensmith testified, and reaffirmed his story under cross-examination, that he and Charles Hopkins had accompanied Lee to the home of Brigham Young while they were in Salt Lake City to attend the October Conference [in 1857], and that President Young told him [Bishop Klingensmith] to give the cattle to Lee to use for the benefit of the Indians and the mission. Klingensmith added that Young also cautioned them, ‘What you know about this, say nothing about it.’” (Cleland and Brooks, Diaries of John D. Lee, Vol. 1, 319 n 18). “Charles Hopkins, a former member of the Mormon Battalion,” settled in southern Utah. “Present at the Mountain Meadows Massacre [and one of the speakers at the council held at the scene of the crime], he was also with Lee and Klingensmith when they discussed the disposal of the emigrants’ cattle with Brigham Young.” (Cleland and Brooks, Diaries of John D. Lee, Vol. 1, 320 n 22).
“If there isn’t a hell, there ought to be.” (Baskin, Reminiscences of Early Utah, 149). Young was a recipient of a carriage stolen from the Mountain Meadows emigrants. It was used by the Mormon leader in Salt Lake City as late as ten years after the crime. R.N. Baskin: “One day in 1867, when I was walking up Main street in Salt Lake city with John Chislet, one of the persons who crossed the plains with one of the celebrated hand-cart trains, but who afterwards apostatized from the church, he pointed to a carriage which was approaching at a few yards distance, and said: ‘That man in the carriage with Brigham Young is John D. Lee, the leader of the Mountain Meadows massacre, and the carriage in which they are riding is one which the emigrants had owned.’ That was the first time I had seen Lee. The carriage was accompanied by Brigham’s mounted, sacred guard. The next time I saw Lee was at his first trial, and I recognized him as the man whom I had before seen in the carriage with Brigham Young.” (R.N. Baskin, Reminiscences of Early Utah, 138-39).
Young lied again, under oath in an affidavit, when he “denied any knowledge of the disposition of the emigrants’ property.” (Baskin, Reminiscences, 116). Brigham Young Affidavit, under oath, July 30, 1875: “Eleventh: Did you ever give any directions concerning the property taken from the emigrants at the Mountain Meadows massacre, or know anything as to its disposition? Answer: No; I never gave any directions concerning the property taken from the company of emigrants at the Mountain Meadows massacre, nor did I know anything of that property or its disposal, and I do not to this day, except from public rumor.”
It was claimed that “Young as Utah’s Governor failed to have Lee arrested . . . oversaw the church appropriation of the spoils, and allowed Lee and Haight to act in the legislature despite his knowledge of their guilt.” (Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 393). “Lee claimed Brigham Young told a Cedar City congregation that members of the Fancher party had persecuted the Saints and ‘killed our prophets in Carthage Jail.’” (Bagley, Blood of the Prophets, 249). With hundreds of head of cattle and stolen spoils, the Church’s acquisition, all by itself, puts lie to the claim that the Indians, and not John D. Lee and his minions, did the dirty work. “ . . . ‘Young had the benefit of the property of the murdered Emigrants and defrauded the United States’ by claiming it as his gift to the Indians.” (Prosecutor Sumner Howard informed the U.S. Attorney General “of his belief,” cited at Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 396).
The First Trial – Joined at the Hip:
George Hicks, a brave dissenter in a sea of Saints, was excommunicated for “sending a letter to the Salt Lake Tribune noting that Lee rode his horse ‘by the side of Brigham’s carriage.’” Hicks implied that Young shared in Lee’s well-known guilt. (Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 391). An 1874 meeting, after Lee’s excommunication, was the last time the old warriors met. For all of his life – John D. Lee’s life, at least into the 1870s – Brigham Young protected him from apprehension. Lee knew secrets which, if once exposed, threatened the life of Brigham Young, and the future of the Church he ruled from about 1844 to 1877, the date of his death.
Marshall William Stokes captured Lee, found hiding in an animal pen near his house in Panguitch. “Young was clearly worried about his own legal jeopardy.” He “asked Daniel Wells to find the copybook containing his September 10, 1857, letter to Isaac Haight ‘and put it into a safe where it will be secure and at hand if called for.’” (Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 391). It is not noted that he requested the same disposition for Haight’s September 7, 1857, Letter to him. He would later deny, under oath, that he could produce his letter to Haight, even after a diligent search, probably because it tacitly encouraged the Indians to do as they liked. The letter to Haight, which was never produced during Young’s lifetime – though he clearly knew exactly where it was – was produced in 1884, after his death. Isaac Haight’s September 7, 1857, Express to Brigham Young, the Mountain Meadows equivalent of the eighteen-and-a-half-minute gap on the Watergate tapes, has never been produced. That letter, perhaps the most important letter the prophet ever received, has been destroyed, concealed or suppressed (like the 1832 first and only Holographic Account of Joseph Smith’s First Vision of the Son without the Father “brought to light” from Joseph Fielding Smith’s office safe in 1965). The loss of Haight’s Letter bespeaks the absurdity of the claim, made by the authors of Vengeance Is Mine, the long-awaited apologetic Church-aided publication of the history of the cover-up, who say that they have received, unlike anyone else ever on earth, one hundred percent of the documents, many held from public view for more than a century by the less-than-transparent Church. Documents seen to pertain to the cover-up of that great American crime. When the Government tried to ascertain in the nineteenth century where the bear hid the honey, pages were removed from dozens of histories and documents, including some from the diaries of John D. Lee. And most particularly Haight’s Express to Young prepared and sent before the final solution at Mountain Meadows ever occurred.
The Second Trial – Brigham Young Betrays His Most Obedient Servant:
“Brigham Young gives unsuccessful order to prevent massacre but becomes accessory after the fact. He later tells participants that he approves of the massacre and lets them know he expects them to exonerate each other in [a] court of law. He publicly intimidates anyone who is inclined to give evidence against Mormon participants. He refuses to give federal authorities information that would implicate nearly all [of the] adults of [a] small Mormon community in [the] massacre and division of victims’ property. Then, when total denial becomes impossible, Young scapegoats three men through excommunication and arranges for participants to testify against (and jurymen to convict) only John D. Lee, Brigham Young’s adopted son and Council of Fifty member.” (Quinn, Extensions of Power, 755-56). Lee challenged the excommunication and asked for a hearing. Young promised him relief. In a letter from Apostle Erastus Snow delivered by one of Snow’s sons, that Lee “knew” had been “written by orders of Brigham Young,” Lee learned that Brigham Young didn’t mean what he had said about the excommunication. He had told his colleague, “I am your friend and not your enemy. You shall have a rehearing.” (Lee, Confessions, 265). The letter, however, told Lee, “You will not press an investigation at this time . . . . Our advice is to make yourself scarce, and keep out of the way.” (Ibid., 266). “When I read the letter, I knew I had nothing to hope for from the Church, and my grief was as great as I could bear. To add to my troubles, Brigham Young sent word to my wives that they were all divorced from me and could leave me if they wished to do so. This was the greatest trouble that I had ever had in my life, for I loved all my wives.” In consequence of Brigham’s advice, “eleven of my wives deserted me . . . .”
A verdict in a second trial, following a hung jury in a first trial, convinced Lee that Church leaders had selected him to be the “scapegoat.” “In Lee’s mind, Young had decided to offer his blood [Lee’s blood] as an atonement for the sins of all those complicit in the massacre.” “The verdict dissolved the fidelity Lee had long maintained toward his surrogate father.” (Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 394). Daniel H. Wells, a weasel, close to the prophet and the militia, traveled south to superintend the cynical process, reporting the facts back to his boss. The deceitful plan was intended to direct criticism (and punishment) elsewhere.
Lee insinuated Brigham Young’s guilt for the Mountain Meadows Massacre in a brief but fiery speech delivered to the crowd assembled to view his execution in 1877. Two weeks later, at the dedication of the St. George temple, Brigham Young worried that he too might be arrested “after Lee’s insinuation of his guilt.” (Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 404). Lee’s intransigence surfaced at the execution, and in his end-of-life account, Mormonism Unveiled. Brigham Young noticed, and was shaken by, his adopted son’s criticism. Approximately six months after the execution of his previously trusted servant, Brigham also passed the torch. Perhaps, in the halls of a Mormon heaven, a disentangled John D. Lee, who dismissed his previously precious Master on the day of his death with an embittered reprisal, may have something further to say.
As evidence of the final break between the two old warriors, as reflected in Lee’s end-of-life concerns, Young and Daniel H. Wells gave an interview to a New York Herald correspondent. Lee is dead, and Young and Wells can say whatever they like without fear of rebuttal. “Lee,” they said, “and a few other sinners took advantage of the emigrants’ boorish behavior and the unsettled state of the territory to gratify their desire for plunder.” (Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 397). It was an ultimate insult, the unkindest cut of all. A cruel and thoughtless postmortem. Young’s biographer, John G. Turner, noted, by way of response that, “No amount of friendly journalism or further statements by church leaders would have removed the dark stain the Mountain Meadows Massacre had left on Young’s reputation.” (Ibid., 397). There had been no punishment for two decades, and when the reckoning came, one fanatic paid with his life for the deaths of one hundred and twenty emigrants, men, women and children. Every other offender skated, avoiding responsibility for that great American crime. There was no impartial investigation. There was no ecclesiastical punishment for more than a hundred people implicated one way or another in the atrocity at Mountain Meadows. And until, and even until some time after 1870, Brigham Young protected his subordinate from efforts to bring even him, one man, to justice.
A Final Analysis:
John D. Lee, because of his privileged access to Brigham Young, was not just a local leader. He was Young’s southern Utah alter ego. As the southern Utah emissary of the supreme leader, his jurisdiction, like that of Porter Rockwell (another notorious enforcer with notches on his belt), may be seen as that of a deputy at large, as an agent without boundaries. No southern Utah leader – not Haight, Higbee, Dame, Klingensmith, or any of very many others – had John D. Lee’s “cojones,” or equal access to the prophet’s ear. The bonds between the violent leader, and his most obedient servant, were eternal. The thought that these two men were ambivalent about their shared objectives, at odds with each other and dishonest in their personal communications, one with another, is farcical. As is the notion that the sly fox was deaf and dumb and blind for more than a decade. Lee was Brigham Young’s strong southern Utah competence, the man among men who knew what his master required. Young’s harsh rhetoric, violent to extreme, George Albert Smith’s harsh rhetoric, equally ugly, Young’s incitement of the southern leaders and chiefs, his invitations to Indian allies on the northern and southern routes to steal the emigrants’ cattle, martial law, the Prophet’s restrictions on overland travel, and his indifference to his militia’s murders and beheadings of Indians and dissidents hardly bespoke tender feelings capable of ever being “harrowed” up.
After it became apparent to everyone that the old story (the Indians did it, the Mormons did not) had no legs, that longstanding “official lie,” told to everyone everywhere many thousands of times until 1869 was abruptly abandoned. “The Salt Lake Tribune later noted the policy change. For twelve years [1857 to 1869] their voice [the voice of the Church] was one of indignant denial that any Mormons were engaged in the affair.” By 1869, any person who believed that tall tale was deaf, dumb, blind or devious. “[After a few hesitating admissions in 1871], ‘the whole Mormon people [turning on a dime] changed front as suddenly as a well-drilled regimine,’ the paper noted caustically. LDS newspapers had furiously denounced the Tribune for accusing Mormons, but the denunciations were now aimed at Haight, Higbee and Lee. ‘The defense they then had for all the Mormons they now reserve for Brigham Young and the heads of the Church,’ the Tribune noted.” (Bagley, Blood of the Prophets, 270-71). To understand that ignominious policy change is to understand the central theme of the new book on the cover-up, Vengeance Is Mine. Blame anyone else for whatever you will, but protect the tyrant Brigham Young. The book, by faithful Mormon authors, with the assistance of the Church, is just the latest effort to put that burr on someone else’s saddle. The Tribune spoke the truth to the Saints in 1873. “If they were so badly mistaken in the former case, is it not just possible that they are mistaken as to Brigham’s innocence?” (Salt Lake Tribune, cited at Bagley, Blood of the Prophets, 271).
“Called to be the presiding elder of the branch at Harmony on December 22, 1861 [four years after the massacre], he [Lee] was sustained with the typical unanimous vote and invited everyone in the settlement to a great Christmas feast. Before the celebration ended, it began to rain. It would not stop for forty days . . . . The upper story of Sarah Caroline’s house collapsed and crushed two of Lee’s sleeping children, killing them.” “Lee, who saw the hand of God in everything, blamed himself for the catastrophe.” (Bagley, Blood of the Prophets, 299). “Great torrents ripped through the fields of Mountain Meadows and cut the trace of Magotsu Creek into a deep arroyo. The resulting disruption of the water table changed the valley from a luxuriant oasis into a sagebrush plain, a transformation that helped to inspire the local belief that God had cursed the place.” (Ibid., 250). “[Juanita] Brooks reported that 857 families had lived in Cedar City in 1857, but two years later only 386 were left. Official church records indicate the depopulation was even more dramatic, that only about twenty families remained in Cedar City in April 1859.” (Ibid., 242).
In the final analysis, this buck stopped with Brigham Young, and with the right-hand man attached to his hip in a Mormon temple. And to the shared history and experiences of two fanatical rascals. To those a disappointed George Hicks, a man who had weathered many storms, was heard to call, for the best of all good reasons, “Birds of a feather.”
Website: MormonismUnderTheMicroscope.com
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THEY WERE “BIRDS OF A FEATHER”
Part III - B
Disposal of Property:
Brigham Young gave cattle stolen from the emigrants during the Massacre to John D. Lee. What to do with cattle in the possession of Brigham Young’s militia (for whatever reason) was a decision Brigham Young was asked to make and made. The Indians were supposed to have ambushed the emigrants all by themselves, yet Brigham’s soldiers ended up in charge of the spoils. Those rewards included seventeen children of tender age later recovered from southern Utah Mormon homes, where they were placed after their parents were murdered. Initially, John D. Lee had charge of Charley Fancher. “I told the Indian to let the boy alone. I took the child up in my arms, and put him back in the wagon, and saved his life. This little boy said his name was Charley Fancher, and that his father was Captain of the train. He was a bright boy. I afterwards adopted him, and gave him to Caroline. She kept him until Dr. Forney took all the children East.” (John D. Lee, “Last Confession and Statement of John D. Lee,” p. 16-17). The possessions of the Arkansas Company were a literal treasure trove of the kinds of things urgently needed on any frontier. Much of what had belonged to those unfortunate emigrants, who were beautifully equipped, was placed in the hands of Phillip Klingensmith, a Mormon Bishop in Cedar City, Utah. Bishop Klingensmith had been a prominent participant in the multi-day attacks against the Fancher party at Mountain Meadows. He would later ignore his dreadful oath and put his life at risk to publicly reveal the disgraceful details of that great American crime.
The cattle assigned by Brigham Young to John D. Lee, after the massacre, were clearly those taken from the murdered emigrants at Mountain Meadows. “At Lee’s first trial [he was saved by a hung jury], Klingensmith testified, and reaffirmed his story under cross-examination, that he and Charles Hopkins had accompanied Lee to the home of Brigham Young while they were in Salt Lake City to attend the October Conference [in 1857], and that President Young told him [Bishop Klingensmith] to give the cattle to Lee to use for the benefit of the Indians and the mission. Klingensmith added that Young also cautioned them, ‘What you know about this, say nothing about it.’” (Cleland and Brooks, Diaries of John D. Lee, Vol. 1, 319 n 18). “Charles Hopkins, a former member of the Mormon Battalion,” settled in southern Utah. “Present at the Mountain Meadows Massacre [and one of the speakers at the council held at the scene of the crime], he was also with Lee and Klingensmith when they discussed the disposal of the emigrants’ cattle with Brigham Young.” (Cleland and Brooks, Diaries of John D. Lee, Vol. 1, 320 n 22).
“If there isn’t a hell, there ought to be.” (Baskin, Reminiscences of Early Utah, 149). Young was a recipient of a carriage stolen from the Mountain Meadows emigrants. It was used by the Mormon leader in Salt Lake City as late as ten years after the crime. R.N. Baskin: “One day in 1867, when I was walking up Main street in Salt Lake city with John Chislet, one of the persons who crossed the plains with one of the celebrated hand-cart trains, but who afterwards apostatized from the church, he pointed to a carriage which was approaching at a few yards distance, and said: ‘That man in the carriage with Brigham Young is John D. Lee, the leader of the Mountain Meadows massacre, and the carriage in which they are riding is one which the emigrants had owned.’ That was the first time I had seen Lee. The carriage was accompanied by Brigham’s mounted, sacred guard. The next time I saw Lee was at his first trial, and I recognized him as the man whom I had before seen in the carriage with Brigham Young.” (R.N. Baskin, Reminiscences of Early Utah, 138-39).
Young lied again, under oath in an affidavit, when he “denied any knowledge of the disposition of the emigrants’ property.” (Baskin, Reminiscences, 116). Brigham Young Affidavit, under oath, July 30, 1875: “Eleventh: Did you ever give any directions concerning the property taken from the emigrants at the Mountain Meadows massacre, or know anything as to its disposition? Answer: No; I never gave any directions concerning the property taken from the company of emigrants at the Mountain Meadows massacre, nor did I know anything of that property or its disposal, and I do not to this day, except from public rumor.”
It was claimed that “Young as Utah’s Governor failed to have Lee arrested . . . oversaw the church appropriation of the spoils, and allowed Lee and Haight to act in the legislature despite his knowledge of their guilt.” (Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 393). “Lee claimed Brigham Young told a Cedar City congregation that members of the Fancher party had persecuted the Saints and ‘killed our prophets in Carthage Jail.’” (Bagley, Blood of the Prophets, 249). With hundreds of head of cattle and stolen spoils, the Church’s acquisition, all by itself, puts lie to the claim that the Indians, and not John D. Lee and his minions, did the dirty work. “ . . . ‘Young had the benefit of the property of the murdered Emigrants and defrauded the United States’ by claiming it as his gift to the Indians.” (Prosecutor Sumner Howard informed the U.S. Attorney General “of his belief,” cited at Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 396).
The First Trial – Joined at the Hip:
George Hicks, a brave dissenter in a sea of Saints, was excommunicated for “sending a letter to the Salt Lake Tribune noting that Lee rode his horse ‘by the side of Brigham’s carriage.’” Hicks implied that Young shared in Lee’s well-known guilt. (Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 391). An 1874 meeting, after Lee’s excommunication, was the last time the old warriors met. For all of his life – John D. Lee’s life, at least into the 1870s – Brigham Young protected him from apprehension. Lee knew secrets which, if once exposed, threatened the life of Brigham Young, and the future of the Church he ruled from about 1844 to 1877, the date of his death.
Marshall William Stokes captured Lee, found hiding in an animal pen near his house in Panguitch. “Young was clearly worried about his own legal jeopardy.” He “asked Daniel Wells to find the copybook containing his September 10, 1857, letter to Isaac Haight ‘and put it into a safe where it will be secure and at hand if called for.’” (Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 391). It is not noted that he requested the same disposition for Haight’s September 7, 1857, Letter to him. He would later deny, under oath, that he could produce his letter to Haight, even after a diligent search, probably because it tacitly encouraged the Indians to do as they liked. The letter to Haight, which was never produced during Young’s lifetime – though he clearly knew exactly where it was – was produced in 1884, after his death. Isaac Haight’s September 7, 1857, Express to Brigham Young, the Mountain Meadows equivalent of the eighteen-and-a-half-minute gap on the Watergate tapes, has never been produced. That letter, perhaps the most important letter the prophet ever received, has been destroyed, concealed or suppressed (like the 1832 first and only Holographic Account of Joseph Smith’s First Vision of the Son without the Father “brought to light” from Joseph Fielding Smith’s office safe in 1965). The loss of Haight’s Letter bespeaks the absurdity of the claim, made by the authors of Vengeance Is Mine, the long-awaited apologetic Church-aided publication of the history of the cover-up, who say that they have received, unlike anyone else ever on earth, one hundred percent of the documents, many held from public view for more than a century by the less-than-transparent Church. Documents seen to pertain to the cover-up of that great American crime. When the Government tried to ascertain in the nineteenth century where the bear hid the honey, pages were removed from dozens of histories and documents, including some from the diaries of John D. Lee. And most particularly Haight’s Express to Young prepared and sent before the final solution at Mountain Meadows ever occurred.
The Second Trial – Brigham Young Betrays His Most Obedient Servant:
“Brigham Young gives unsuccessful order to prevent massacre but becomes accessory after the fact. He later tells participants that he approves of the massacre and lets them know he expects them to exonerate each other in [a] court of law. He publicly intimidates anyone who is inclined to give evidence against Mormon participants. He refuses to give federal authorities information that would implicate nearly all [of the] adults of [a] small Mormon community in [the] massacre and division of victims’ property. Then, when total denial becomes impossible, Young scapegoats three men through excommunication and arranges for participants to testify against (and jurymen to convict) only John D. Lee, Brigham Young’s adopted son and Council of Fifty member.” (Quinn, Extensions of Power, 755-56). Lee challenged the excommunication and asked for a hearing. Young promised him relief. In a letter from Apostle Erastus Snow delivered by one of Snow’s sons, that Lee “knew” had been “written by orders of Brigham Young,” Lee learned that Brigham Young didn’t mean what he had said about the excommunication. He had told his colleague, “I am your friend and not your enemy. You shall have a rehearing.” (Lee, Confessions, 265). The letter, however, told Lee, “You will not press an investigation at this time . . . . Our advice is to make yourself scarce, and keep out of the way.” (Ibid., 266). “When I read the letter, I knew I had nothing to hope for from the Church, and my grief was as great as I could bear. To add to my troubles, Brigham Young sent word to my wives that they were all divorced from me and could leave me if they wished to do so. This was the greatest trouble that I had ever had in my life, for I loved all my wives.” In consequence of Brigham’s advice, “eleven of my wives deserted me . . . .”
A verdict in a second trial, following a hung jury in a first trial, convinced Lee that Church leaders had selected him to be the “scapegoat.” “In Lee’s mind, Young had decided to offer his blood [Lee’s blood] as an atonement for the sins of all those complicit in the massacre.” “The verdict dissolved the fidelity Lee had long maintained toward his surrogate father.” (Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 394). Daniel H. Wells, a weasel, close to the prophet and the militia, traveled south to superintend the cynical process, reporting the facts back to his boss. The deceitful plan was intended to direct criticism (and punishment) elsewhere.
Lee insinuated Brigham Young’s guilt for the Mountain Meadows Massacre in a brief but fiery speech delivered to the crowd assembled to view his execution in 1877. Two weeks later, at the dedication of the St. George temple, Brigham Young worried that he too might be arrested “after Lee’s insinuation of his guilt.” (Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 404). Lee’s intransigence surfaced at the execution, and in his end-of-life account, Mormonism Unveiled. Brigham Young noticed, and was shaken by, his adopted son’s criticism. Approximately six months after the execution of his previously trusted servant, Brigham also passed the torch. Perhaps, in the halls of a Mormon heaven, a disentangled John D. Lee, who dismissed his previously precious Master on the day of his death with an embittered reprisal, may have something further to say.
As evidence of the final break between the two old warriors, as reflected in Lee’s end-of-life concerns, Young and Daniel H. Wells gave an interview to a New York Herald correspondent. Lee is dead, and Young and Wells can say whatever they like without fear of rebuttal. “Lee,” they said, “and a few other sinners took advantage of the emigrants’ boorish behavior and the unsettled state of the territory to gratify their desire for plunder.” (Turner, Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet, 397). It was an ultimate insult, the unkindest cut of all. A cruel and thoughtless postmortem. Young’s biographer, John G. Turner, noted, by way of response that, “No amount of friendly journalism or further statements by church leaders would have removed the dark stain the Mountain Meadows Massacre had left on Young’s reputation.” (Ibid., 397). There had been no punishment for two decades, and when the reckoning came, one fanatic paid with his life for the deaths of one hundred and twenty emigrants, men, women and children. Every other offender skated, avoiding responsibility for that great American crime. There was no impartial investigation. There was no ecclesiastical punishment for more than a hundred people implicated one way or another in the atrocity at Mountain Meadows. And until, and even until some time after 1870, Brigham Young protected his subordinate from efforts to bring even him, one man, to justice.
A Final Analysis:
John D. Lee, because of his privileged access to Brigham Young, was not just a local leader. He was Young’s southern Utah alter ego. As the southern Utah emissary of the supreme leader, his jurisdiction, like that of Porter Rockwell (another notorious enforcer with notches on his belt), may be seen as that of a deputy at large, as an agent without boundaries. No southern Utah leader – not Haight, Higbee, Dame, Klingensmith, or any of very many others – had John D. Lee’s “cojones,” or equal access to the prophet’s ear. The bonds between the violent leader, and his most obedient servant, were eternal. The thought that these two men were ambivalent about their shared objectives, at odds with each other and dishonest in their personal communications, one with another, is farcical. As is the notion that the sly fox was deaf and dumb and blind for more than a decade. Lee was Brigham Young’s strong southern Utah competence, the man among men who knew what his master required. Young’s harsh rhetoric, violent to extreme, George Albert Smith’s harsh rhetoric, equally ugly, Young’s incitement of the southern leaders and chiefs, his invitations to Indian allies on the northern and southern routes to steal the emigrants’ cattle, martial law, the Prophet’s restrictions on overland travel, and his indifference to his militia’s murders and beheadings of Indians and dissidents hardly bespoke tender feelings capable of ever being “harrowed” up.
After it became apparent to everyone that the old story (the Indians did it, the Mormons did not) had no legs, that longstanding “official lie,” told to everyone everywhere many thousands of times until 1869 was abruptly abandoned. “The Salt Lake Tribune later noted the policy change. For twelve years [1857 to 1869] their voice [the voice of the Church] was one of indignant denial that any Mormons were engaged in the affair.” By 1869, any person who believed that tall tale was deaf, dumb, blind or devious. “[After a few hesitating admissions in 1871], ‘the whole Mormon people [turning on a dime] changed front as suddenly as a well-drilled regimine,’ the paper noted caustically. LDS newspapers had furiously denounced the Tribune for accusing Mormons, but the denunciations were now aimed at Haight, Higbee and Lee. ‘The defense they then had for all the Mormons they now reserve for Brigham Young and the heads of the Church,’ the Tribune noted.” (Bagley, Blood of the Prophets, 270-71). To understand that ignominious policy change is to understand the central theme of the new book on the cover-up, Vengeance Is Mine. Blame anyone else for whatever you will, but protect the tyrant Brigham Young. The book, by faithful Mormon authors, with the assistance of the Church, is just the latest effort to put that burr on someone else’s saddle. The Tribune spoke the truth to the Saints in 1873. “If they were so badly mistaken in the former case, is it not just possible that they are mistaken as to Brigham’s innocence?” (Salt Lake Tribune, cited at Bagley, Blood of the Prophets, 271).
“Called to be the presiding elder of the branch at Harmony on December 22, 1861 [four years after the massacre], he [Lee] was sustained with the typical unanimous vote and invited everyone in the settlement to a great Christmas feast. Before the celebration ended, it began to rain. It would not stop for forty days . . . . The upper story of Sarah Caroline’s house collapsed and crushed two of Lee’s sleeping children, killing them.” “Lee, who saw the hand of God in everything, blamed himself for the catastrophe.” (Bagley, Blood of the Prophets, 299). “Great torrents ripped through the fields of Mountain Meadows and cut the trace of Magotsu Creek into a deep arroyo. The resulting disruption of the water table changed the valley from a luxuriant oasis into a sagebrush plain, a transformation that helped to inspire the local belief that God had cursed the place.” (Ibid., 250). “[Juanita] Brooks reported that 857 families had lived in Cedar City in 1857, but two years later only 386 were left. Official church records indicate the depopulation was even more dramatic, that only about twenty families remained in Cedar City in April 1859.” (Ibid., 242).
In the final analysis, this buck stopped with Brigham Young, and with the right-hand man attached to his hip in a Mormon temple. And to the shared history and experiences of two fanatical rascals. To those a disappointed George Hicks, a man who had weathered many storms, was heard to call, for the best of all good reasons, “Birds of a feather.”
Website: MormonismUnderTheMicroscope.com
2024.05.12 11:27 EveryoneIsAComedian [General Fiction] No, Lilith Is Not Sympathetic OR A Feminist Icon. She Isn't Even That Important
Disclaimer:
Despite how the title and intro may look, I am not here to dunk on feminism. If you came looking for a post that said, "Feminist Soy! Am i rite?" Sorry, got to disappoint. Conversely, this isn't a sermon about why you should convert. Believe whatever you want to believe bro. Also, Not a Christian, but I do like Wendigoon talking about it. Finally, Mods plz don't nuke my post this isn't about religion but about the mythology around the figure.Why Post This Here:
Lilith has been involved in literary discourse for a while as well as being seen as a Feminist Icon in literature. This post is meant to debunk these claims and misreading of the Abrahamic Myths.Intro:
This really isn't a specific work of fiction, but rather, a general fictional trope I guess., Ever since the release of Hazbin Hotel, discussion has increased on Lilith being a sympathetic/feminist icon, and this is the most laughable idea to me as a guy who is currently studying Christian Mythology for a project. Today, I am going to debunk this claim of Lilith being sympathetic or any sort of feminist girlboss or even being anyway relevant to the Abrahamic Mythos. I'll try source all my arguments, so it doesn't look like I am talk out of my ass.In The Bible:
Ah, the Bible. It is amazing how such a small book can cause so much violence, but we are not here for a religious debate (well not really). We are here to discuss Lilith. For context, I am going to be used the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) & English Standard Version (ESV). This is because NSRV and ESV and considered the most popular when it comes to the Bible Versions.Let's start with NRSV, and Lilith shows up...once? Hell, she doesn't even show up. She's just mentioned.
Isaiah 34:14: "Wildcats shall meet with hyenas, goat-demons shall call to each other; there too Lilith shall repose,"You can read the full chapter here, but the full chapter really doesn't change much. From what I could gleam (admittedly I ain't a theologian so I could be missing stuff), the dude in this chapter is talking about God's Judgment and is more focused on the natural disasters that would happen. Lilith isn't even really that important. She seems to be at best a higher demon with some power, but this same chapter says an undead apocalypse will happen. She is a footnote at best.
Okay what about ESV? It is even worse there. She doesn't even show up.
Isaiah 34:14: "And wild animals shall meet with hyenas; the wild goat shall cry to his fellow; indeed, there the night bird settles and finds for herself a resting place" (Source)Okay, but I am clearly cherry-picking though right? What about the other versions? Well, it get even more nebulous. In certain version, it isn't even Lilith but an unnamed night-demon (Source). In others, it isn't even a demon but just a creature of the night/ animals of the night (Source). Hell one of them there are no demons instead an unnamed ogress (Source).
You'd think that Lilith, being the first woman and rebelling against Big G himself, should get more than one very sketchy mention. I mean Eve the mother of humanity is mentioned between 2,000 -2,500 times (Source), Mary the mother of Jesus Motherfucking Christ himself gets around 40 times (Source), hell Queen Sheba, whose existence I only know because a sword in KCD is name after her, is mentioned nearly 70 times (Source)(obviously this varies on which version you take as some books are just removed but the point stands). You mean to tell me a fucking side character is mentioned more than literally Female Satan. Funnily enough, Satan is only mention like 30 times in the Bible (Source).
Okay, so already the foundations of Lilith are shaky, but what do the other Abrahamic Religions say?
In The Quran/The Tanakh (IMPORTANT):
The Quran. She never shows up. Weird since both Eve and Mary get mentioned.Okay, but what about The Tanakh? (For those who don't know the Tanakh is the "Hebrew Bible". A lot of people say that's the Torah, but the Torah is just the compilation of the first five books of the Tanakh.) Well, yes.
Otzar Midrashim, The Aleph Bet of ben Sira, The Alphabet of ben Sira, (alternative version) 34 - He said to him, "The angels appointed for healing: Sanoy, Sansanoy, Semangalof. When the Holy Blessed One created the first Adam alone, They said, (Genesis 2:18) 'It is not good for this Adam to be alone.' They created for him a wife out of the Earth like he had been, and called her Lilith. Immediately they began to challenge each other. She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one…So case closed - STOP. I ain't done cooking yet. See, I got to apologize a bit to you reader. I kind of lied, but to understand how I lied. You got to understand the Jewish Faith first, specifically their holy texts.
Okay, all Holy Jewish Texts fall under Sifrei Kodesh (aka Holy Books). . Within the Siferi Kodesh, there are two main categories texts fall into Tankah and Rabbinic. The Tankah is The Hebrew Bible. It is the considered the canonical collection of Hebrew scriptures and is comprisied of the Torah, the Nevi'im, and the Ketuvim. (Source and Source). Meanwhile, the Rabbinic is Jewish Rabbis studying and interpreting the Tankah (Source, Source, Source). The Alphabet of Ben Sira is squarely in the Rabbinic.
Most of you have already seen a problem, but for those of who didn't, let me spell it out. When you are quoting this passage, you are not quoting from the Tankah. You are quoting a Rabbi's interpretation of the Tankah. This would be equivalent to me using My Immortal to critique Harry Potter (No offense to any Jewish Rabbis. This comparison is meant to be extreme).
Ah, but ain't done yet reader, I have saved the biggest bombshell for last.
The Alphabet of Ben Sira is a shitpost. It a satire. It isn't real.
The reasoning is several. This reddit comment sums it up. And This. Also This
From The Jewish Virtual Library:
There is no reason to doubt the unity of the work as a whole, despite the fragmentary character of the different versions. All the versions share a special, satirical, and even heretical, character, and this indicates that they all were written by a single hand. They seem to reflect varying degrees of censorship on the part of editors and copyists. The complete work contains four parts. The first part is the biography of Ben Sira from his conception until the age of one year. This story, omitted in many editions, explains how Jeremiah, the prophet, was simultaneously Ben Sira's father (the numerical value of Ben Sira's name equals that of Jeremiah), and grandfather. Ben Sira's mother was Jeremiah's daughter. The old prophet was forced to an act of onanism by wicked men, and his daughter conceived from his emissions when she came to bathe. The form of this story is based on a biblical verse that tells the glories and wonders of God's deeds; thus the story satirizes not only Jeremiah, but God's deeds as well.Buh buh But thats just a reddit comment and some random websites. Whu Whu What are you gonna do OP? Analyze the entire text to prove its a shitpost.
The second part is more sophisticated in form. It tells how Ben Sira, now one year old, meets with his teacher, who tries to teach him the alphabet. Instead of repeating each letter of the alphabet after his teacher, Ben Sira responds with an epigram beginning with that letter. The epigrams lead the teacher to tell the story of his life. It may be assumed that the original structure of this part was 22 + 12 paragraphs, each containing a letter, an epigram, and a part of the story.
The third part is the longest and contains most of the narrative material in this work. It recounts the story of Ben Sira's life and adventures in the court of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylonia. It also includes stories told by Ben Sira himself as answers to the king's questions. These stories often include pornographic elements, as well as derogatory descriptions of biblical figures, like King Solomon or Joshua. Some of the stories in this section contain motifs from international folklore and may be based on folktales, but they were adapted to the special framework of the work and satirical elements were added to them. Examination of the various versions indicates that here, too, there were 22 stories, arranged according to the letters of the alphabet, to which 12 other stories were added.
The fourth part, which is found in most versions and gave the work its name, contains 22 alphabetically arranged epigrams attributed to Ben Sira that serve as material for discussion and interpretation by Ben Sira's son, Uzziel, and his grandson, Joseph b. Uzziel. The contents are satirical and even heretical. It may be assumed that this part was constructed in the same manner as the two previous ones – 22 + 12 sections. The work, therefore, displays elements of unity both in structure and in its ideological aims. It is all but impossible, however, to discover the background upon which such a work could have been written. Some scholars (L. Ginzberg and others) believe that it aimed at ridiculing the story of Jesus' birth; but the basis for such a conclusion may be found only in the first part, and even this is not very clear, for the irony seems to be directed more against God than against Jesus. It is hardly possible that the author was a Karaite, as some of the abusive stories are directed against biblical figures, and not only against the Talmud and Midrash. It seems likely that the author did not belong to any organized group or definable ideological movement, but was merely a writer with an anarchistic tendency who used satire to ridicule all the institutions of established religion in his day.
Another difficult problem is the relationship between this pseudepigraphal work and the original proverbs of Ben Sira. Some of the proverbs and epigrams included in the work are originally in the work of Ben Sira, but many such proverbs are found in talmudic literature, and the author probably took them from there. The author of the pseudepigraphal work did not even know Ben Sira's first name. There is only one slight connection that might be accidental: the Wisdom of *Ben Sira has a preface written by the author's grandson, who edited the work, and in the pseudepigraphal work the figure of a grandson is also present.
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Analysis Of Alphabet of Sirach/The Alphabet Of Ben Sira:
The text we will be using.We are going to skip most of it and just jump straight into the section with Lilith, but if you do chose to read it, have a good time. Shit is funny as hell. Let's start of with Lillith's Birth. Many like to potray Adam and Lilith's first interaction like this.
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It is often either stated or implied Adam either tried to force Lilith into a s*x position she didn't want or that he he stated that she was inferior to him and she spit back. While this nicely fits into the "yas Queen SLAYYY" interpretation, its not the truth...mostly.
Here is the actual text:
When the Holy Blessed One created the first Adam alone, They said, (Genesis 2:18) 'It is not good for this Adam to be alone.' They created for him a wife out of the Earth like he had been, and called her Lilith. Immediately they began to challenge each other. She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one.' Lilith responded, 'We are equal to each other inasmuch as we were both created from the Earth.' But they would not listen to one another. When Lilith saw this, she pronounced the Ineffable Name and flew away into the world's air.So first, no she wasn't going to be sexually assaulted. Secondly, it was just a couple arguing with each other. Yes, Adam shouldn't have said that about Lilith, but we shouldn't take a statement said by an angry man as gospel for the religion. Plus, how on earth is blaspheming your Father and then running away from an argument an appropriate reaction to the situation? God didn't do anything wrong. Why you picking a fight with him? We will discuss this more, but lets continue.
The Holy Blessed One said to Adam, 'If she agrees to come back, good. If not, she must permit one hundred of her children to die every day.' They departed and pursued her, and overtook her in the midst of the sea, in the mighty waters wherein the Egyptians would ultimately drown. They told her God's word, but she did not wish to return. The angels said, 'We shall drown you in the sea.' She said to them, 'Let me be. I was created only to cause illness to infants. I have dominion over them for eight days after birth if they are male, and if female, after birth for twenty days.' When the angels heard Lilith's words, they insisted on taking her. But she swore to them by the name of the living and eternal God, 'Whenever I see you or your names or your forms in an amulet, I will have no power over that infant.' She also agreed to have one hundred of her children die every day.There is much to go over here. First, WHERE ARE THE HUNDRED CHILDREN COMING FROM! These are the first man and woman. THERE ARE NO CHILDREN. Who is he talking about? And don't give me that bullshit that he mad a mistake. HE IS GOD. IN THE TORAH, HE IS OMNISCIENT. This makes no sense.
"I was created only to cause illness to infants. I have dominion over them for eight days after birth if they are male, and if female, after birth for twenty days." I am sorry fucking what? Who said that? God? No. Adam? No. The Angels? Definitely not. No one told Lilith she had to cause illness. She is just being a toxic bitch and offloading her problems. What the fuck?
Finally, "She also agreed to have one hundred of her children die every day." At this point, who has sympathy for Lilith? Lets objectively look at Adam's sin. Yes, he was sexist. Yes, that was wrong. Can't Lilith convince him to change? We know it is possible for a woman to convince Adam because EVE CONVINCED HIM TO EAT THE APPLE. So, clearly the man can develop his thoughts. Instead, Lilith just runs away from her problem, knowing that a hundred innocent children (HER CHILDREN BY THE WAY- hang on does that mean she fucked Adam and Eve's Sons. Isn't she like their aunt? I am pretty sure that's still incest) will die. Yes, God is partly to blame as well, but if I had to choose between a Misandrist Wife or dead innocents, I will go with the Misandrist Wife. Nothing shows Adam as violent just a dick, and she clearly has access to powers he doesn't cuz he can't fly.
Accordingly, every day one hundred demons perish, and for the same reason, we write their names on the amulets of young children, and she sees them, she remembers her oath, and the child is healedI guess that's nice? But does she even really heal them? She just takes away an illness she caused. This is like saying I put out the fire, but I am the arsonist who started it. There wouldn't be a problem if I didn't create one. And that's how the story ends. Seriously.
There is more, but it doesn't really matter. Ben Sira cures a girl of farting everywhere, talks about hair follicles, slanders David, explains why Donkey Urine is important, and ends with a raven cucking an eagle. Its pretty funny.
In Conclusion:
So, TL;DR: Lilith's entire existence is based on a shitpost. In said shitpost, she isn't even that great of a person and isn't even a feminist.So yeah, that's all I got. There is more to this Rabbit Hole if you are willing to go down, but that is the gist of it. I don't see how a woman who runs away from responsibilities, blames others for her failures, and would rather kill babies than do something hard is a feminist icon, but here we are. I don't really know how to end this. Uh, were you entertained?
Addendum: If you are of the Christian, Muslim, or Jewish Faith please comment below and clear up any misconceptions I wrote in this post. I will try to edit it to make it better. Feminists please try to be respectful in the comments. Sup Mods. Uh yeah, cool.
Addendum #2 - Mesopotamian Lilith:
Some people have been saying that I should analyze Lilith from Mesopotamian Origins as this would give her a more sympathetic view. Very well. There are three main sources: Tablet XII of the Epic of Gilgamesh, a Burney Relief, Arslan Tash amuletsTablet XII of the Epic of Gilgamesh (Text we'll use): Lilith, a snake, and a bird steal a tree from a goddess and squat in it. Gilgamesh comes around kills the snake. The Bird flees. Lilith chimps out, destroys her home, and runs. Tbf, this is Gilgamesh, so I guess Lillith W?
The dyer (?) had not dyed his leather with it (?)Burney Relief (Source): Yeah no
At its root the serpent, 'that knew not silence (?)' had made its nest
At its top the storm-bird (Zû) had put his young
In its midst Lilith had built a house
The shrieking maid the joyful
The bright Queen of Heaven tears for them (?) wept
His lady said a word to him
'Warrior Gilgamesh, its .... will thee'
The ibbaru garment that was of 50 minas from his loins he removed
What was 50 minas 30 ... . he made
His (?) brazen axe a road (?) his ....
1 talent 50 minas his in his hand he seized
At its root the serpent ' that knew not silence (?) ' he slew
At its top the storm-bird (Zû)
took his young (and) went away to the mountain
In its midst Lilith destroys (her) house
Even so, the possibility that the Queen of the Night plaque, with its high degree of skill in craftsmanship and attention to detail would be a representation of a lilitu is highly unlikely. According to the Hebrew tradition, Lilith was the first woman made by God who refused to submit to Adam's sexual demands and flew away, thus rebelling against God and his plans for human beings. She was thought to have then occupied the wastelands and, like the lilitu, to have preyed on unsuspecting men ever since. In either tradition, the lilitu was not a popular enough figure to have been portrayed on a plaque such as the Queen of the Night. Dr. Black notes, “Evil gods and demons are only very rarely depicted in art, perhaps because it was thought that their images might endanger people” (62). The mountain range depicted at the bottom of the relief is also thought to suggest lilitu identification in representing the wilderness the spirit inhabits but the headdress, the necklace, the rod-and-ring symbols and the significance of the plaque all go to argue against Lilith as a possibility.Arslan Tash amulet (Source):
Whispering-incantation against the Flying-one, the oath of Sasam, son of Pidrišiša, god, and against the Strangler of the lamb: “The house I enter, you shall not enter And the court I tread, you shall not tread!He has made an eternal contract with us. Assur made a pact with us, all the sons of El,, and the great council of all the holy ones,With the oath of heaven and earth With the oath of Baal, lord of the earth With the oath of Horon, whose utterance is true,His seven concubines and the eight wives of Baal Qudš”[Written around and between the images] Oh Flying one, from the dark room pass away!Now! Now, night demons! [Written on the Sphinx figure] From my house, O crushers, go away! [Written on the wolf-like figure] Oh Sasam, let it not be opened for him And let him not come down to the door-posts The sun is rising for Sasam. Disappear, and fly away home.[Written on the axe-wielding figure](modified from Cross and Saley 1970 and Berlejung 2010).So where the fuck is Lilith? Well the text in its original language features lly- which if you add a "t" could be llyt [Lilith], but it also can be ll wyn which means "night and day." So, yeah not exactly a Lilith W. And that's it. I don't know how this makes her sympathetic, but to each their own.
Addendum #3 - Lilith R*ped Adam?
u/howhow326 said that there was a tale about Lilith raping Adam and being thrown out of Eden. This intrigued me to search for it, but unfortunately, I can't find a source for this anywhere. The closest I get is this Blogpost, but this seems to be more of a hypothetical than anything. Frankly, I don't think this should be part of the debate.Edit 1: Originally, there was a line that said : "Hell fucking Jesus gets mentioned the prophet of the ENEMY, but not Lilith." I have since been informed that this is a gross misrepresentation of the Muslim Faith, and it has been removed.
Edit 2: Spelling and Formatting Errors Corrected
Edit 3: Mesopotamian Lilith added. Lilith's Rape Accusations.
2024.05.12 06:30 PitifulAd2391 It's official, Jose Marrero Wins Puerto Rico SPE with Gholdengo ex
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2024.05.11 01:51 Miklovy31 Quiero escucharte Apoyo Emocional
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Hola. Amigos/@ tu que esta hay que tiene esa sensación de llegar a tu casa 🏠😃 y no tener quien te escuche con quien hablar 🗣️ somos la solución la soledad es buena pero no en exceso déjanos ayudarte escribiendo un mensaje 📩 y agendamos una hora o dos horas para hablar contigo o si quieres tener esas llamadas al días de como llegaste como te sientes como está como te fue nuestros grupos de profeccionales no comprometemos a ayudarte escuchando y siendo parte de tu vida si quieres que seamos esa persona en tu vida déjanos entrar sin compromiso con nuestra seguridad y confiabilidad que puede hablar cualquier tema . Sentimental, sexual, fetiche, paternal, depresión, ansiedad, malas experiencias, exct. Te esperamos. https://chat.whatsapp.com/DHsp2U0j5HHJh4IbfBQbUD
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2024.05.10 22:59 Reina333 What is God's opinion on nonbelievers repenting at old age ?
They lived a life full of sin but decided at an old age to repent
As for me , I know my repentance will never be true repentance. So God knows that I don't love God .
I am not planning to repent I can relate to this atheist tik toker https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRwgoe8F/
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As for me , I know my repentance will never be true repentance. So God knows that I don't love God .
I am not planning to repent I can relate to this atheist tik toker https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRwgoe8F/
2024.05.10 21:51 MatchThreadder Match Thread: GD Chaves vs FC Famalicao Portuguese Primeira Liga
90'+1': GD Chaves 0-1 FC Famalicao
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GD Chaves
Rodrigo Moura, Vasco Fernandes, Ygor Noguiera, Sandro Cruz (Paulo Victor), João Correia, Dário Essugo (Hélder Morim), Kelechi Nwakali (Guima ), Raphael Guzzo, Hector Hernández (Jô Batista), Sanca, Rúben Ribeiro (Bernardo Sousa).
Subs: Bruno Rodrigues, Steven Vitória, Hugo Souza , Habib Sylla.
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FC Famalicao
Luiz Júnior, Enea Mihaj, Riccieli , Moura , Martín Aguirregabiria, Gustavo Sá (Gustavo Assunção), Mirko Topic, Zaydou Youssef, Henrique Araújo (Florian Danho), Chiquinho , José Luis Rodríguez (Sorriso ).
Subs: Filipe Soares, Otso Liimatta, Tom Lacoux, Oscar Aranda Subiela, Ivan Zlobin, Nathan .
45'+2' Goal! Chaves 0, FC Famalicão 1. Gustavo Sá (FC Famalicão) right footed shot from the centre of the box to the bottom right corner. Assisted by José Rodríguez.
45' Substitution, Chaves. Benny replaces Rubén Ribeiro.
45' Substitution, Chaves. Guima replaces Kelechi Nwakali.
45' Substitution, Chaves. Jô replaces Héctor Hernández.
51' Ygor Nogueira (Chaves) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
66' Substitution, Chaves. Hélder Morim replaces Dário Essugo.
67' João Correia (Chaves) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
76' Substitution, Chaves. Paulo Victor replaces Sandro Cruz.
77' Substitution, FC Famalicão. Sorriso replaces José Rodríguez.
79' Jô (Chaves) is shown the yellow card.
81' Chiquinho (FC Famalicão) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
82' Substitution, FC Famalicão. Florian Danho replaces Henrique Araújo.
82' Substitution, FC Famalicão. Gustavo Assunção replaces Gustavo Sá.
2024.05.10 21:28 kaworo0 Anotações - Livro: Nosso Lar - Cap 42, 43 e 44
Dando continuidade ao estudo do livro Nosso Lar.
Capítulo 42 - A Palavra do Governador
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Capítulo 42 - A Palavra do Governador
- Narcisa esclarece que o treinamento como medo é dos mais importantes para os espíritos auxiliadores em Nosso Lar, sendo priorizado acima, até mesmo, das intruções sobre enfermagem.
- Nas preparações para o discurso do Governador, andré pode observar o “Grande Coro do Templo da Governadoria” que se apresentava junto dos “meninos cantores das escolas do esclarecimento”
- André comenta: “ tive à frente dos olhos alguns cooperadores dos Ministérios da Elevação e União Divina, que me pareceram vestidos em brilhantes claridades.”
- O governador é descrito se apresentando como “ ancião de cabelos de neve, que parecia estampar na fisionomia, ao mesmo tempo, a sabedoria do velho e a energia do moço; a ternura do santo e a serenidade do administrador consciencioso e justo. Alto, magro, envergando uma túnica muito alva, olhos penetrantes e maravilhosamente lúcidos, apoiava-se num bordão, embora caminhasse com aprumo juvenil.”
- “‘Nosso Lar’ precisa de trinta mil servidores adestrados no serviço defensivo [...] porque não podemos esperar o adversário em nossa morada espiritual.”
- “Nas organizações coletivas, é forçoso considerar a medicina preventiva como medida primordial na preservação da paz interna. Somos, em "Nosso Lar", mais de um milhão de criaturas devotadas aos desígnios superiores e ao melhoramento moral de nós mesmos. Seria caridade permitir a invasão de vários milhões de espíritos desordeiros?.”
- “... Sim, Jesus entregou-se à turba de amotinados e criminosos, por amor à redenção de todos nós, mas não entregou o mundo à desordem e ao aniquilamento. Todos devemos estar prontos para o sacrifício individual, mas não podemos entregar nossa morada aos malfeitores.”
- “ Lógico que a nossa tarefa essencial é de confraternização e paz, de amor e alívio aos que sofrem; claro que interpretaremos todo mal como desperdício de energia, e todo crime como enfermidade d’alma; entretanto, "Nosso Lar', é um patrimônio divino, que precisamos defender com todas as energias do coração.”
- “Quem não sabe preservar, não é digno de usufruir.”
- É apresentado o MInistro Benevenuto da regeneração, que, voltando da polônia, repassa suas impressões da guerra:
- Eram notáveis a eficiência e resiliência das falanges de auxiliadores europeus, que mantinham a assistência funcionando perfeitamente apesar do ambiente dificílimo dos campos de batalha:
- “Tudo obscuro, tudo difícil. Não se podem, ali, esperar claridades de fé nos agressores, tampouco na maioria das vítimas, que se entregam totalmente a pavorosas impressões. Os encarnados não nos ajudam, apenas consomem nossas forças.”
- “ O que mais nos contristou, porém, foi a triste condição dos militares agressores, quando algum deles abandonava as vestes carnais, compelido pelas circunstâncias. Dominados, na maioria, por forças tenebrosas, fugiam dos Espíritos missionários, chamando-lhes a todos "fantasmas da cruz"... “É razoável, portanto, que as missões de auxílio recolham apenas os predispostos a receber o socorro elevado.”.
- A falta de fé e preparação religiosa era um enorme problema. “As igrejas são sempre santas em seus fundamentos e o sacerdócio será sempre divino, quando cuide essencialmente da Verdade de Deus; mas o sacerdócio político jamais atenderá a sede espiritual da civilização.”
- “Nunca, como na guerra, evidencia o espírito humano a condição de alma decaída, apresentando características essencialmente diabólicas”
- Benvenuto menciona sobre o Espiritismo: “ O Espiritismo é a nossa grande esperança e, por todos os títulos, é o Consolador da humanidade encarnada; mas a nossa marcha é ainda muito lenta. Trata-se de uma dádiva sublime, para a qual a maioria dos homens ainda não possuí "olhos de ver".
- E ainda: “Esmagadora porcentagem dos aprendizes novos aproxima-se dessa fonte divina a copiar antigos vícios religiosos. Querem receber proveitos, mas não se dispõem a dar coisa alguma de si mesmos. Invocam a verdade, mas não caminham ao encontro dela.”
- Sobre os encarnados e o movimento espírita à época “Enfim, procuram-se, por lá, os espíritos materializados para o fenomenismo passageiro, ao passo que nós outros vivemos à procura de homens espiritualizados para o trabalho sério.”
- Lísiadas esclarece: “...Quando numerosas almas se congregam no círculo de tal ou qual atividade, seus pensamentos se entrelaçam, formando núcleos de força viva, através dos quais cada um recebe seu quinhão de alegria ou sofrimento, da vibração geral. [...] Cada criatura viverá daquilo que cultiva. Quem se oferece diariamente à tristeza, nela se movimentará; quem enaltece a enfermidade, sofrer-lhe-á o dano. “
- Lísiadas explica a diferença entre o Umbral e a região que eles denominavam “Trevas”: “Chamamos Trevas às regiões mais inferiores que conhecemos. Considere as criaturas como itinerantes da vida. Alguns poucos seguem resolutos, visando ao objetivo essencial da jornada. [..] . A maioria, no entanto, estaciona. Temos então a multidão de almas que demoram séculos e séculos, recapitulando experiências [...] Classificam-se, aí, os milhões de seres que perambulam no Umbral. Outros, preferindo caminhar às escuras, pela preocupação egoística que os absorve, costumam cair em precipícios, estacionando no fundo do abismo por tempo indeterminado.”
- Lísiadas esclarece que não só no corpo físico o espírito estava susceptível a quedas no umbral e nas trevas. Por mais que as colônias e planos superiores aparentemente fornecessem ambientes mais tranquilos, estes ambientes também existiam na crosta, na beleza da natureza e, ainda sim, espíritos achavam motivos para cometer erros como latrocínio e homicídio.
- “ Há esferas de vida em toda parte [...], o vácuo sempre há de ser mera imagem literária. Em tudo há energias viventes e cada espécie de seres funciona em determinada zona da vida.”
- Lísiadas explica que, assim como o umbral, colônias e planos superiores extendem-se na atmosfera acima da crosta, Existem locais espirituais que se localizam no fundo dos mares e dentro da terra.
- “há princípios de gravitação para o espírito, como se dá com os corpos materiais. A Terra não é somente o campo que podemos ferir ou menosprezar, a nosso bel-prazer. É organização viva, possuidora de certas leis que nos escravizarão ou libertarão, segundo nossas obras. “
- “Qual acontece a nós outros, que trazemos em nosso íntimo o superior e o inferior, também o planeta traz em si expressões altas e baixas, com que corrige o culpado e dá passagem ao triunfador para a vida eterna. Você sabe, como médico humano, que há elementos no cérebro do homem que lhe presidem o senso diretivo. Hoje, porém, reconhece que esses elementos não são propriamente físicos e sim espirituais, na essência. Quem estime viver exclusivamente nas sombras, embotará o sentido divino da direção. Não será demais, portanto, que se precipite nas Trevas, porque o abismo atrai o abismo e cada um de nós chegará ao local para onde esteja dirigindo os próprios passos.”