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2024.05.14 15:21 BravoFoxtrotZulu Advice for a UK citizen who is the target of a repeat offender (15 yo, male) chronically egging our house? What are the legal options available in the UK? The police have identified the boy's name and address, officially warned him, but he won't stop. It's escalating to more eggs and larger gangs.

More detail:
My house is has been egged 9 times to date by the same boy (15,M) since September 2023, approximately once per month.
All of these incidents have been captured on my CCTV and I have the footage documented. The footage is HD, and it's clear to see it is the same boy.
The boy has apparently had no previous criminal record.
Why he's targeting me: During first event in September 2023, the boy egged many houses in my street, but because I stepped outside and told him off and warned him, I've now become a target. (I know in hindsight I shouldn't have done this)
The first three or four times I sent the CCTV footage in to the police each time, but I was told that the facial recognition software wouldn't work on a zoomed in CCTV image because it was too blurry. As such, I asked if it was legal to film in a public place if I happened to see the boy in the local area so that he could be identified, I was told this is perfectly legal to do, so I considered potentially doing this.
On the fifth occasion a couple of months ago, I managed to go for a walk around my street and walked past him (I recognised him by his clothes). I took a video of his face and spoke to him about it and a few weeks later, from enquiring around the local schools with the image of his face the police identified him from the footage. On the video he admitted guilt, and also said the reason he was doing it was because he was "bored". He also said on the video that if he knew I was such a nice guy, he wouldn't have carried on.
Since then, his mother has been visited (who lives in another town) by the police to explain the situation and her response was "that's not how he was raised" and offered to bring him over to apologise, I said there was no need for that. This was around April 2024.
The boy came back roughly 24 hours after being identified and egged us again. From this, the police issued an official warning. I've been told that two warnings are needed before moving onto the next stage.
Since he was warned the first time, we had no further incidents for around a month. However two days ago, the boy returned and threw an egg attempting to get it through our open bedroom window but missed and hit the glass instead. He threw this particular egg from further away to try to get out of view of the camera (he doesn't realise my cameras are 180 degree lens so it still captured him). He is now trying to avoid being identified.
Yesterday, he returned again, this time with a group of 7-8 boys with hoods up wearing balaclavas, and they threw 9 eggs in total, completely covering our property. The original boy who started it all was identifiable, we recognise him by his frame and clothes.
It is clear that warnings aren't deterring the boy and I'm not sure what I can do about this because the police say the road to an ASBO is very long winded and drawn out and different officers are telling me different things about how likely it is that this could ever get to court, with a few saying it's unlikely due to his age (approx 15)
We found out that the boy visits his father in the same town as us but his mother has main custody of him (split up parents), and it makes sense that this is when he is doing the egging - when he visits his father. Until now, the father hasn't been brought into it, but the police have told me they are now looking to ask the mother where the father lives in the town and now bring him into the discussions.
These events definitely constitute harassment and it is severely impacting our enjoyment of our home and feeling of safety and security. Due to the very weak response to date, the boy and his friends are becoming emboldened and it is escalating from only that boy doing the egging to a large group of boys being encouraged to join in.
The general response by the police to date has been in a nutshell "it's tricky, due to his age it will take a while and the courts might not want to do anything, I know it's frustrating but just keep reporting it and hopefully we will be able to build a strong enough case". This is despite reporting 9 times so far.
Reddit, does anyone have any legal advice they can provide? Would be greatly appreciated.
If anything above isn't clear or more info is needed, let me know in the comments.
Thanks guys.
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2024.05.14 15:21 chug2k Race Report: Danang Vietnam 70.3 IM

My second 70.3, and my first Oly was two years ago. I swam JV for one year in high school, owned a road bike in college, and never understood how people could enjoy running. Now that I'm older (38M) ... I think I kind of "get" why people run now. It's nice. Maybe I can get into golf next, never understood that one either.
tl;dr - rookie mistake, had a great bike, terrible run. This is exactly what happened on my first 70.3 six months ago and I can't believe I did the exact same thing again. Already planning my next 70.3.
Total time: 6:10 (massive asterisk, swim course was truncated to 750m because of conditions). My target time was 6:30 (with the swim), I would've missed it. Bike split and run split were both 2:53.
Training: I didn't follow a plan, and I think that was a mistake, but I did keep it up pretty consistently. I was averaging about 10 hours a week between running / biking / swimming. 98% of my bike was done indoors, because road conditions in Vietnam (I moved here a few years ago from the US) are a little scary for me. I try to ride with the A/C off when it comes near the race to get more heat-acclimated.
Diet: My weird thing is that for my first 70.3, I was on keto. I didn't believe everyone when they said it was dumb, and it took bonking on that race to realize that you were all right. So since then have adapted to the exact opposite diet (also probably dumb) where I'm all vegan, except for whey protein powder.
Race
Swim: The surf was at about 2m overhead, and kind of big and challenging. I was excited for it, as really it's not that bad once you duck dive out past the waves. Unfortunately, the day before the race, a group who was just warming up got swept out and had a hard time coming back in. No one died but one guy had to be CPR'ed back to life on the beach. So instead, they had us run 300m, swim 750m parallel to the beach, and run another 300m. This was super lame because it was hardly a swim at all - I walked for 740 of those meters, as I realized that I was walking way faster than the people trying to swim. I'm a little bit tall so I think that helped (188cm, 6'2"), and I know how to surf a little bit so when big waves would come in, I knew how to duck dive easily under them. As a result everyone's swim times were 10-14min. I did mine in 13.
Bike: Based on heavy Reddit opinion I got a bike fit, by this super specialist who happened to be hanging out in Vietnam (www.instagram.com/fit\_by\_antoniopavlovich/). It made my bike ride about 50% more comfortable. My back was getting really sore 50km in, but before it would happen at around 20-30km. I do long Zwift rides on that bike but at home I can't help but cheat and sit up/back in the seat and stretch things out, I don't have the discipline to stay on the hood/drops once things start hurting. Anyway the bike was my best performance yet and I was really pacing myself (or so I thought). The course only has one slight climb up a bridge, and normally I'm more of a puncheur type, or at least that's what intervals.icu tells me. I kept it pretty conservative on the bike but when people would zoom by me I would try to keep up with them - not to draft (I am too scared to ride close enough for that) but just because I just wanted to feel like somebody. Anyway I thought I kept all my matches and so at the end pushed a little harder.
Towards the end of the bike ride, I was actively regretting not pushing harder earlier, and wondering if I was ready for a full ironman. There's one in October in Gurye South Korea, and I was doing some math in my head about whether or not 5 months would be enough to train.
Run: My normal easy long run pace is around 6:30min/km, and I ran slow and found myself running 5:40. So I tried to cut it back but I was so amped and I had read people on reddit setting HM PB's during their races. So I decided to play it safe at around 6:15, and then I'd kick back to 5:40 after km 10.
3km later, I started cramping in ways I'd never cramped before. I thought I had taken in enough salt, and I think I did. I think I just pushed it too hard - after being keto for so long, I was really on top of my nutrition and carbs (over 60g/hr) and I think I had tons of energy, but my muscles just couldn't take it.
But I kept running gingerly, I could feel the muscles on the verge of cramping but they were kind of holding it together. I ran the first 5km in 32 min, so about my 6:15 pace. Then my left knee just kinda gave out. I think I was running weird to avoid stressing my about-to-cramp muscles and that just messed up my knee. I was hoping I could just keep running and the pain would go away but no, it wouldn't. I was wondering if I could just goggins my way through it... but it kinda hurt a lot and I was wondering if I could do permanent damage if I kept running through it. So I decided to walk for just a bit, stretch it out. Then try to see if I could run on it again.
Eventually it was just all walking all the time, any impact on the left leg was too painful. So I tried my best to racewalk, although I'd never done that before. It was awful and I hated it but it was the only way to keep my knee from screaming. My heart rate couldn't get up (I finished the last 2 hours in basically Z1, low Z2) because if I racewalked too fast my knee would still complain. So my Garmin was just taunting me saying "Easy" when I was on the HR screen.
But I finished, and it was cool. My wife ran her first HM in a relay with her coworkers, and did it in 2:35, which I was so proud of but also kind of embarrassed about, because I was always cagey about training together because I wanted to run at a faster pace than her.
Two days later my knee feels fine, just took it on a quick bike ride and it hurt a little but I don't think I did any real damage. Going up and down stairs the day after the race was painful though.
I love triathlon stuff. I want to get a real sub 6 soon, will work on the run. And yeah, about that full ironman - definitely not ready in 5 months. But in 17? I think so. If anyone is doing Gurye South Korea 2025, give me a shout. :)
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2024.05.14 15:14 Lou_Sputthole New neighbor is looking for problems.

My wife and I purchased our first house last summer. At the time of purchasing, we didn’t know that our entire backyard wasn’t ours. I know that’s on us for not doing our due diligence, but it hasn’t been an issue. The house was advertised as having a fenced in backyard and a shed, and our property line apparently ends about halfway through the shed, and the fence is another ~5 feet into the neighbors property. The property the shed and fence are on is part of a small lot that separates our property from our “backyard neighbors.” A neighbor across the street owns this lot.
Now, this isn’t the issue. This neighbor isn’t interested in selling the part of the property that makes up our backyard, but has no qualms with us using it as is, and doesn’t care if we replace the fence like we planned to. The issue stems from our new neighbors who purchased the foreclosed house next door a few months ago.
There’s a dead end alley that extends to “our” fence, ending a car length away from it. My wife uses that space to park, and we used our other neighbor’s landscaping(lot owners brother in law) company to turn the space into a gravel driveway. The house next door(new neighbors) have a detached 2 car garage with a driveway just before ours.
They’ve been renovating the house since buying it, and don’t live there yet. But we had issues with them blocking my wife in already, parking on the alley instead of in their driveway or garage. We kindly spoke with them about it and they put on a civil facade and said it wouldn’t be an issue anymore. Though it still is some days. We have a 3 year old and newborn, and my wife stays home with them. She doesn’t want to have to confront the neighbors every time she’s trying to leave the house with the babies while I’m at work.
We overheard the new neighbor talking to the lot owner while he was mowing, and said “we got a survey and did you know that’s your property? You should charge them rent for having their shed on it.” Shouting so my wife could hear from inside, I was at work. The lot owner pretty much waved him off.
What I’m concerned about is the new neighbor getting the city involved about our parking situation. His dismay is clearly stemming from the fact that he can’t use the whole alley as his personal driveway. And I don’t know if we have anything to back us up, especially since the alley abuts property that technically isn’t even ours. There’s also a small evergreen tree over growing from his property to our gravel driveway, and it’s getting difficult to enteexit the vehicle, but I don’t know if I can legally trim it.
The neighborhood is otherwise very friendly and everyone gets along. I’m not looking forward to them moving in.
Also, this is in PA.
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2024.05.14 15:01 FelicitySmoak_ Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - Jackson v. AEG Live Day 11

Trial Day 11
Katherine Jackson, Rebbie and Trent are at court.
Choreographer Travis Payne & Katherine Jackson spoke briefly in the courtroom before the jury came in. They seemed cordial
Travis Payne Testimony
AEG direct
Payne is wearing a black jacket with a gold emblem on the shoulders with the word "MJ" & a pair of wings
Payne said he was concerned about MJ missing rehearsals. He didn't know why he wasn't showing up, but MJ was also working on an album and a book
Payne said he did not think that Jackson had a problem abusing prescription medications. He acknowledged that Jackson missed rehearsals and he saw the singer shivering or appearing cold in some of his final rehearsals
He worked with Jackson beginning in the 1990's and testified that he never saw Jackson drink alcohol or take any medications. Michael also never discussed his medical treatments, Payne said
Payne told the jury he advised MJ he was looking thin.
"Michael said he was 'getting down to my fighting weight', which I took to mean that he was preparing for the performances", Payne testified. "I had no reason to doubt him"
Payne says he was satisfied with the response.
Payne said there was one day (6/19) when MJ was cold. He thought the frustration had him on edge. When Jackson needed to be layered in blankets and required a heater to be comfortable, Payne said, he believed Michael was merely fighting a cold.
"No one else was cold. He had flu-like symptoms"
"Sometimes he was tired and lethargic and had to be, not convinced, but supported throughout rehearsals," Payne recalled
Payne said that in April, May & June, MJ missed 5 rehearsals with the whole group. He said one time Ortega sent Michael home
Bina shows an email from Ortega to Gongaware on Jun 14:
"Were you aware that Michael's doctor didn't permit him to attend rehearsal yesterday? Without invading his privacy, it might be a good idea to talk to his doctor to make sure everything he requires is in place. Who is responsible for Michael getting proper nourishment/vitamins/therapy every day? Personally, I feel he should have a top Nutritionist and Physical Therapist working with him on a regular basis. The demand on this guy is mentally and physically extraordinary! The show requirements exhaust our 20 year olds. Please don't underestimate the need to stay on top of this"
Another part of the same email chain, from Gongaware:
"Frank and I have discussed it already and have requested a face-to-face meeting w/ the doctor... We want to remind him that it's AEG not Michael Jackson who's paying his salary We want him to understand what is expected of him. He has been dodging Frank so far
Payne said his understanding was that AEG was paying Dr. Murray's salary not Michael. The doctor was there to oversee many things, Payne said. Payne explained he didn't have much reason to question Dr. Murray since he thought that a doctor selected to work with Michael was top notch.
Bina asked Payne whether he ever met Conrad Murray. The choreographer says he met Murray twice. Payne says the first time he met Dr. Murray was at the Carolwood house.
"I was going up the steps, Dr. Murray going downstairs, Michael introduced us."
Payne was coming up from the basement to the middle floor. Studio was at the basement. Payne said he never went to the top floor of the house. He says the second time was at the Staples Center, after a rehearsal and Jackson was leaving for the day. Both meetings were brief.
When asked how Michael performed on June 23 & 24:
"He was having his process, I didn't expect him to be like he would in front of a crowd," Payne explained. "He was not at show standards ... I didn't expect him to be as he would be in front of a crowd."
Payne: "It ebbed and flowed. Some days were good, some days were not as good."
The last two days were good.
"I thought he was in his way to the goals he set himself," Payne told the jury.
He didn't have any question that MJ would be able to perform , adding that he and others were impressed while watching Jackson rehearse at Staples Center on June 23/24, 2009.
Payne described the day MJ died: He was headed to rehearsal at Michael's home, got a call from his mother who said she saw reports on the news. Payne heard news on the radio, called Staples Center spoke to Stacy Walker, she said they were rehearsing. He was told to go to Staples.
"We were optimistic of his arrival," Payne said explaining they were expecting Michael to rehearse at the Staples Center.
Payne said Ortega got a series of calls. He remembers Kenny saying:
'tell me something that will make me know it's you and that this is true'

" I remember him (Kenny Ortega) collapsing in his seat and crying," Payne testified
Payne said he never saw Michael drink alcohol or take medication but
"Sometimes, in rehearsal, Michael would appear just a little loopy, under the influence of something, but mostly when he would come to the rehearsals from the dermatologist," Payne testified.
That happened two to four times in the weeks before his death, he said. Payne told that he didn't think Jackson had a problem with prescription drugs
"Michael was undergoing personal cosmetic procedures, so he could feel great and do a good job," Payne said.
Payne also said he appeared groggy in the morning sometimes, which he attributed to lack of sleep
"Mr. Jackson just explained to me that he had trouble sleeping, that he was tired, and that satisfied me," Payne testified.
He stated that he's not sure how much weight MJ had lost
Payne mentioned one day in particular at a meeting with Andre Crouch and singers, MJ seemed a little out of it
Payne said at one point, he & others tried to bring in a top physical therapist who works with Olympic athletes to help Michael. Jackson didn't work w/physical therapist flown in for him.
"At the last minute we realized that Michael was not going to go through with it. He was just not comfortable with the invasion of personal space."
Bina played a clip of This Is It from Jun 4 showing the green screen and making of "Drill" and Michael talking about the cool moves, dancing. Payne said the idea was to show the rehearsals and how things came together. The footage itself wasn't altered, but there was editing. Payne said they picked the best of the rehearsal to include in the documentary. He wanted to reshoot some scenes but was not allowed. Payne, who was an associate producer on the This Is It documentary, said the footage of Jackson had not been retouched or altered.
Jackson cross
Attorney Brian Panish cross examined Payne. He asked if Michael ever performed the entire show from beginning to end. Payne said "No"
"Was he ready to perform for an audience?", Panish asked.
"I thought he was on his way to the goals he had set for himself," Payne answered. "All I saw was improvement and getting closer to the goals"
Payne's impression was that MJ loved being a father. He said he saw the beauty of their relationships, loyalty to one another.
"When we rehearsed, we had meals together," Payne recalled, talking about Michael and all three children.
Payne thought the relationship between MJ and Prince was awesome, Michael was a proud father, great to see how they interacted. Prince wanted to be a director, Michael would point out things to him during rehearsal should that be his career, Payne remembered.
As to Paris Jackson, Payne said he saw a very protective young lady, smart, astute, with knowledge of the production, very hands on. Paris, who was 11 at the time, was
"a very retentive young lady who was very, very smart, very astute," Payne testified. "She had full knowledge of the day-to-day operations, from the time of lunch and what it was going to be, she was hands on -- far beyond her age," he said. "She had a lot of responsibility, which I think she welcomed"
Payne said she was "the female of the house," and also "a daddy's girl."
"She really loved her father," he said. "At that time, she was coming to find out his global successes and presence, so she would wear her Michael Jackson t-shirt, headband and bag," he said.
It was Paris who would bless the food when they were have lunch with their father at home, he said.
"She was always the most vocal of the three children and was very concerned about many of the details of the house, was the temperature correct, what do you want to eat," Payne testified. "She just handled a lot for her young age"
Blanket, who was 7 when his father died, was the most quiet of the three. He liked to watch his father rehearsing his dances with Payne in the basement studio of their home, Payne said.
"He was quiet, but always right there with his dad," he said.
Michael guided and mentored him. Payne said he would be proud if MJ was his father and agreed the children suffered a tremendous loss. When rehearsing with Jackson at his Holmby Hills residence, Payne said the singer clearly delighted in being a father and shared meals with all three
"I saw the beauty of their relationships. I saw their loyalty to their father, I saw his loyalty to them. Their father enlightened them and taught them", he testified. "I was very proud to see Michael as such a loving father."
Panish: "Was Paris a Daddy's girl?"
Payne: "Yes, I believe so"
His description of the close relationship Paris (15) and Prince (16) had with their father four years ago could foreshadow the significance of the children's testimony later in the trial.
Payne always carries a video camera with him and shot videos of rehearsal. AEG took the footage that Payne shot and never returned to him. Email from Randy to Paul:
"Make sure you take out the shots of Michael in that red jacket... He looks way too thin and skeletal."
Payne said he was not aware of the email. He said Michael looked thin, but not skeletal. He doesn't know if Paul/Randy took any the footage out. The email was not displayed for the jury
As for Michael's relationship with Katherine, Payne said
"there's no secret that he loved his mother very much. It is kind of common knowledge"

"Karen Faye is a make up artist. She designed the make up, was always there when Michael was there", Payne testified.
Payne said Faye and MJ had a long term working relationship. They spent a lot of personal time together. Faye was concerned and frustrated with how Michael looked. She went to Payne kind of in an aggressive way. Payne told her to report to Ortega.
Payne said he wanted MJ to have a physical therapist, nutritionist, massage therapist, and have his family around. He said this was a different scenario.
"This was the first time MJ was working with AEG," Payne testified, saying he had always been hired by MJJ production before.
Payne said this was the first time Michael was not the sole producer of the show. Payne started working without a signed contract. He was being paid by AEG. Panish showed Payne's written contract. It is between Payne and AEG, beginning April 1, 2009. The contract said only AEG could cancel it. He testified that there was a delay in his contract with AEG because the salary was not in line with his standard charges, but that things worked out after he had a conversation with Jackson. Payne also said he believed AEG was paying Murray's salary, not Jackson
Payne was hired and paid by AEG. His contract was with AEG.
Panish: "Who could fire you. AEG?"
Payne: "I'm sure"
Things became heated when Panish inquired about a text message Karen Faye sent to Payne that accused him of lying to the media after Michael's death. He said earlier Faye had approached him in an "aggressive" way about her concern for Jackson's health but he told her to take her concerns to Ortega.
"I do not remember receiving a text message from Karen Faye asking why I was lying to the media," Payne explained.
Panish: "Were you upset when MJ died?"
Payne: "Yes"
During cross-examination, Payne was shown several photos of premieres for the This Is It documentary .Panish shows a picture of Payne at the red carpet premiere. He agreed he was happy about the premiere. In one, Ortega & AEG executive Randy Phillips flank Jackson's manager, Frank DiLeo, who has a cigar hanging out of his mouth. All three are grinning. Brian Panish, the attorney for Jackson's family, remarked that everyone looked pretty happy
Payne said he wasn't privy to details of what was expected of Dr. Murray. AEG was producepromoter, but MJ was the star, had to be happy
Panish reminded Payne that he had testified in his deposition that AEG was
"trying to protect its investment"

"I don't have a dog in this race so I'm not on either side", an aggravated Payne countered adding that he felt Panish was being aggressive. "I'm just saying I don't want to be painted as somebody who's trying to mask anything".
After several hours of testy exchanges with Panish, his voice quivered and he dabbed his eyes with a tissue.
"I'm just trying to have a conversation with you and tell the truth."
Panish asked Payne if defendants' attorney approached him during lunch to show him some documents. He said yes, he saw parts of his deposition
Under cross examination, Payne acknowledged that some of Jackson's behavior, including grogginess, lethargy, insomnia and occasional paranoia, were possible symptoms of prescription drug abuse. He also said that despite testifying earlier that he worked with Jackson one-on-one five days a week, he couldn't recall how many rehearsals the singer actually attended
Panish after lunch break got Travis Payne to concede Jackson wasn't present for a May 19, 2009 rehearsal. Payne also conceded that Jackson was a no-show for a June 22, 2009 rehearsal. Panish confronted Payne saying that yesterday he said he was with MJ at a dance studio on May 19, that they were up on their feet & danced.
Panish: "Sir, Michael was not with you May 19, 2009, was he?"
Payne: "No"
Panish: "He was at the doctor"
Payne: "If you're saying, I'm not disputing"
Panish said that on May 19, Michael was having a cyst removed at Dr. Klein's office, so he could not have been rehearsing with Payne.
Panish then said on Jun 22 MJ wasn't there either, "was he?"
Payne said he didn't know.
Panish said MJ was at another doctor's office
Payne said he may have made a mistake about Jackson's whereabouts & he didn't know his personal schedule. Travis Payne had testified yesterday that he and Jackson ran through certain songs on May 19th. He said today he was testifying based on the schedule and notes he compiled and that his recollection might be wrong
"We're human, sometimes we make mistakes," Payne explained, saying he's not disputing that Michael was or wasn't there on those dates.
Payne said there was always something for Michael to do.
"He needed to come to rehearsal, it was part of the job"
Payne said Michael had a hard time picking up some of the material. He was having trouble learning dances, Payne says. Email from Ortega to Gongaware:
"He has been slow at grabbing hold of the work"
Jackson was having trouble learning dances, choreographer Travis Payne says
"Prior to June, I noticed Mr. Jackson was thinner than I recognized him," Payne said, noting he never saw sudden weight change in MJ.
Second time Payne saw Dr. Murray was the night before Michael died at Staples Center.
"I wanted Michael to go home and go to sleep" Payne recalls. Payne said something about Murray felt off, Payne said. "He didn't feel like an official doctor"
Payne knew MJ had sleeping problems and that Dr. Murray was treating him for that. Ortega also knew; Payne thought Gongaware was aware too. Payne also said he and Ortega knew that Jackson was having sleep problems. Attorney Brian Panish asks if AEG executives knew. There were several objections, and Payne was only allowed to answer "No" as to whether Paul Gongaware knew about Michael's sleep problems
Panish asked Payne about choosing Jackson's dancers for This Is It. Payne says they were whittled down from 5,000 applicants. Applicants submitted video clips and their submissions were used to cull down potential dancers from there. Payne said they received 5,000 applications for dancers, about 2,500 showed up for the audition.He taught them some dance moves, and the pool was further narrowed down. Michael chose the dancers
Panish then asked Payne whether he knew how many doctors AEG interviewed to work with Jackson on This Is It. "No", Payne says. Payne also says he isn't aware how much interviewing or investigation into Murray that AEG did.(Panish's point appears to be that there was more scrutiny of backup dancers than Conrad Murray)
During preparations for This Is It, Michael at times seemed "under the influence of something" and once couldn't take the stage because he appeared incoherent, Payne testified.
Payne said he was aware that Jackson had problems sleeping and chalked up the singer's sometimes erratic behavior to sleep aids or sedatives from his dermatologist visits.
"You have to understand that one always says hindsight is 20/20. In the moment I had no inkling of what, ultimately, what was revealed until Mr. Jackson's passing", he said
Payne saw Michael tired and fatigued. He agreed that those symptoms could be signs of drug addiction. Payne was aware that MJ was losing weight during rehearsals and he had not seeing him lose weight like that before.
"He was not in great physical shape and was sore,working up his stamina. Lack of sleep and proper nourishment were starting to show", Payne said.
Payne says at one point, he told Kenny Ortega that Jackson appeared "assisted" (meaning that he thought he was on drugs\meds)
Payne said some people were concerned about the goals not being met, including Randy Phillips and Paul Gongaware. Payne learned what Demerol was after MJ died. He also remembers a mention of Demerol in the song "Morphine".
Panish asked if MJ knew the lyrics of his songs.
"I think he did, he knew most of them, but he wanted to have a Teleprompter for safety.He didn't want to make any mistakes, to refresh his memory. Also to use for sequence of songs",Payne said.
Payne agreed that it was very unusual for Michael to have a Teleprompter with the lyrics of his own songs. He never used it before. Payne didn't specify which songs Jackson wanted the teleprompter for
Payne said a body double was requested for Michael. Misha Gabriel was his body double, but shorter than him. Some of the scenes in the documentary are with the body double, Payne testified. Payne remembers at the Culver Studios in Smooth Criminal there was a stunt and Misha was asked to jump through a glass plate
Payne said most the time, MJ was present at rehearsals. "It wasn't a big deal," he expressed
Panish showed an email from the band leader Michael Bearden:
"Michael is not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time. He can use the ballads to sing live and get his stamina back up, Once he's healthy enough and has more strength I Have full confidence he can sing the majority of the show live. His voice sounds amazing right now, he needs to build it back up. I still need all big dance numbers to be in the system so we can concentrate on choreography."
Payne was aware that AEG was considering in mid June pulling the plug on the show. He said Michael looked exhausted & paranoid on Jun 19. Jackson's condition and missed rehearsals led to talk within the last 10 days of Jackson's life that AEG Live LLC, which was promoting "This Is It," might cancel the concert series.
"It was 'We've got to get this together or the plug may be pulled,'" Payne says
Payne was working for AEG and said he relayed his concerns about Jackson's possible prescription drug use and that he was exhibiting troubling signs of insomnia, weight loss and paranoia in his final days to tour director Kenny Ortega. Jackson was struggling to get into shape for the shows, and Payne said his voice coach suggested using a voice track for fast-paced songs until the singer's stamina improved.
Payne went to Michael's house on June 20. He was cold and had to light the fireplace and rub his hand and feet to warm himself up
Panish showed a picture of Michael on June 24 rehearsing "Thriller"; Payne said MJ improved but was not at his best yet.
Panish: "Around June 20, was Ortega in the mindset that Michael Jackson was not ready for this?" Payne: "Yes"
Payne said Michael was not ready, it was not the Michael he knew. He died four days later. But he didn't see anything that alarmed him on June 23/24
Panish:" Did you see that Michael was getting pressured to get everything done in the last days?" Payne: "Yes"
Payne said he could sense something was wrong, but didn't know what it was. He said Jackson's performances in the final days of his life were impressive, and it felt
"like we were definitely on an upswing"

"I never doubted Michael because he was the architect of this and he wanted to do it, so part of my responsibility was to help him get there", Payne said, his voice racked with emotion.
Panish ended his direct examination of choreographer Travis Payne with three questions.
Panish: "Did you see that Michael Jackson appeared to be pressured to get everything done at the Staples last rehearsals?"
"Yes," Payne said
Panish: "The pressure about the shows started to manifest itself physically in Michael Jackson?"
"Yes," Payne replied.
Panish:" You could sense that something was wrong, you just didn't know what it was?"
Payne responded "Yes."
AEG re-direct
Payne's demeanor changed after Panish finished questioning him. He was holding back tears when the AEG attorney started re-direct examination. For the next several moments, Payne blinked and dabbed both eyes with a tissue. It was the first time he'd gotten emotional on the stand.
Bina in re-direct asked: "Do you think you could get him there?"
Payne: "Absolutely!"
Bina asked Payne again about how many rehearsals Jackson attended. Payne said MJ was present a significant amount of the days he was scheduled to work but he couldn't recall dates, precisely how many that Jackson attended.
As to Gongaware's email regarding what was expected of Dr. Murray, Payne said the inconsistencies with Michael missing rehearsals warrant a talk. Payne said he thought Dr. Murray was there to care for his patient, making sure right nutritionist was there, to get him ready for the show. Payne never discussed with MJ about his doctors or personal affairs. Payne and Faye were professionals with each other, but not friends.
"Production felt he wasn't coming to rehearsals enough, and that was frustrating to some of the staff," Payne testified. "I had a concern we needed to create a show Michael would enjoy doing it," Payne explained
She also showed Payne photos from the This Is It premiere. First photo is of Payne shaking Jermaine Jackson's hand at the movie premiere. Bina also showed another image of smiling Jermaine, Tito, Jackie and Marlon with Payne at the premiere. Payne cried saying he had been through so much and the rough part was behind them. He was pleased to show the fans what the show was to be.
Jackson re-cross
In re-cross, Panish notes that none of Michael's brothers are part of this lawsuit.
Panish then asked Payne whether Katherine Jackson and Michael's kids went to the premiere. Panish says Katherine Jackson & her grandchildren didn't go to the premiere because they weren't over Jackson's death. Payne said he didn't think anyone was over Jackson's death when the film premiered in late 2009.
Court Transcript
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