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2024.05.11 20:42 InsecureA50 50F can't get 48F to understand relationship boundaries?

First time post, so please forgive me if the format is horrible.
I (50M) have been dating my girlfriend (48F) for a year and a half. We were introduced on a dating app. Prior to meeting for the first time, the conversation was great. She was fairly new to dating and I had been miserable with all the broken or emotionally unavailable women who I kept meeting on the apps and would do a one and done dinner date most of the time with me wanting the check after 5 minutes. Names are changed for privacy, but lets call her Steph. Messaging with Steph was GREAT. I have had convos like this in the past though, and after meeting, decided that maybe their initial chats weren't genuine or they would say they didn't care about money and then go on for 2 hours of dinner about their upcoming vacay and how much it costs and they are helicoptering into the place and it's next to George Clooney's vacation residence...GET ME OUTTA THIS DATE! Important to note is that I would focus on only one person at a time and not talk to 10 or more people at a time. You won't see the needle if your constantly playing with the hay. So, I was optimistic with Steph, but not overly optimistic. During our initial messages I told her my life story, my likes, my dislikes, my past relationship traumas, and things that I worked on very hard from my last LTR that left me broken. Specifically, my last girlfriend (Susan) whom I lived with for about 18 mos. with about a 3 year relationship in total. We had history from high school but it was brief. I had more intense HS relationships but this one I always wondered how she was and where she ended up. Fast forward to when I was 45 and she was 43 she reached out and we reconnected. It was definitely intense, as I'd fantasized about just spending time with her over my lifetime up until she found me. There were definitely red flags that I chose to ignore (idiot!!). Before we even lived together, I became aware she was trying to make me jealous at times. I called her out and Susan's response was "Well, it would be flattering to me if you were a little bit jealous". That seemed wrong and cringy to me, but I told her I was SUPER secure and never had been jealous in my life and I would never be jealous. Well, she did prove me wrong. I don't believe that she wanted other men. I also don't believe that she wanted the attention or validation. I think she was a shy girl in high school and I was a player who took her virginity, but actually never played around or even wanted to while we were a young couple. Before and after her, I had streaks of being a bad boy. But with her or with other girls I would be in a relationship with, I took the relationship seriously. Just when I was single I was kind of a mix of party animal and ladies man. As our adult relationship developed, she liked to make it look like she was available to other men. She was fairly attractive and would get looks every time we went out. She would tell me how a coworker started messaging her at night when I was out of town on my many business trips and the conversation would last late into the night, but was innocent. Or how a dad of her daughters volleyball team would be sitting so close that other moms would make mention and he would say suggestive things that only Susan could hear at volleyball tournaments even though he had a girlfriend, but knew Susan was recently divorced. However, she would let me know she was nervous these innocent conversations could lead to more than just friendly. It upset me. Looking back, it was definitely her way to break me. It worked! I would ask her to engage and make it like she wasn't available. I did ask her to make her FB picture one of me and her...but the recent divorce made her hesitant as it would upset her kids because of the freshness of her divorce. I know that was the beginning of me becoming insecure. Asking someone to change their FB? Never been that guy, nor thought I ever would be. There were lots of other things going on as well, with lies and gaslighting. I requested we go to counseling to figure things out because it was during covid at this time, my older parents were terrified to have me over for a visit, much less give me a place to stay. I'm self employed and work was shut down, so I was hesitant to look for my own place. I just continued to put up with the abuse and became more and more broken. Our counselor told me I was no good to Susan or anyone the emotionally broken state I was in. I stayed in that relationship for another 9 months getting worse and worse. When I finally called it off in December of 2020 I was completely broken and never suffered after a break up like this. I could barely move for months and my head was just foggy all the time. I had moved back to the city my kids were at. Little by little, I healed and went to therapy for myself and realized that it wasn't the loss that hurt me so bad, it was the trauma that I allowed to be inflicted on my that made my pain during recovery so overwhelming. It took 5 or 6 months and I started slowly dating. But looking very intently for red flags and feeling zero guilt when quickly moving on from someone I didn't feel immediate chemistry with or see red flags at the beginning. So many broken people in their forties and fifties or people who haven't worked through their baggage from last or last several relationships. Everyone has baggage at this age, but you have to constantly work at unpacking it to lessen the load if you expect to have a healthy relationship. And you have to be choosy with the person you choose to pursue as a partner. When I started talking to Steph, I would tell her that we are all broken at this age, but finding someone who's jagged edges match up to your own jagged edges. The first time we met it was EXPLOSIVE for me. She was gorgeous and kind and I couldn't help myself as I put my hand on the small of her back the entire first date. We ended up Ubering first to her place and then me home. We made out in the Uber until she got embarrassed and made me stop. In the two years between Susan and Steph, I never kissed or touched anyone on the first date. I didn't want to send the wrong impression. I was looking for a love connection and didn't want anyone to mistake me as a man looking for a hookup or to play around. I wanted something serious. Steph and I immediately started going out alot. We really enjoyed each other. We introduced our kids (teens and adults) probably too soon, but we both knew this was going to last. We enjoyed anything with live music to include cover bands at a local dive bar or mainstream concerts to include almost every genre. Around six months, she was going to a big concert at an MLB stadium where tickets were purchased long before we even met. Luckily (or maybe not) a single ticket became available as well as a hotel reservation and Steph jumped all over it to have me as her date to this concert. Steph's long time good friends, Mike (50s M) and his wife Emily (50F) were there with Mike and Emily's neighbors, Josh (late 30s M) and his wife Jessica (late 30s F) were there as well. There were others in the group but were not with us at the end of the night. As the headliner was winding down, we were not in the stadium seats, but in a club area with round tables and chairs. Last call was a long time ago. We all had too much to drink. I left to go to the bathroom as as I walked up, I saw Josh pouring beer into Steph's empty cup. The cup had been empty for a while and Josh had a can still full of beer. I stood behind Steph and Josh. The music was loud and Josh's wife was up by the railing away from her husband and Mike and Emily were off to the right. I heard Josh tell Steph "I gave you some beer". Steph was just dancing a little and had a hat on with her head down just enjoying the music. Josh got louder and said "I gave you beer, you need to drink it". Steph still just ignored him. Josh now puts his arm around her, pulls her into him, and yells "I gave you some beer, you need to fucking drink it". I was kind of in shock a little. I didn't know anyone very well but Steph and I'd only met Josh once and he barely acknowledged Steph and didn't act like I existed. Now Josh puts Steph in a very aggressive headlock and in a very shrill and mean tone yells into her ear "I gave you some FUCKING beer and you better FUCKING drink it". At this, Steph pulls her head out, pushes Josh and turns to see me. She walks behind me to completely hide from Josh. I turned to her with my back to Josh and asked if she was OK. She stated she needed to go to the bathroom. We left for the bathroom and while we walked, she mumbled how alot of the time she's oblivious, but right now, she's not. She told me there had been a couple things in the past to include a comment by Josh's wife that made Steph feel something might be off. It sounded to me like Josh might have a crush on Steph and his wife was aware but not upset. I told her to stay by me and I'd keep her safe. When we got back from the bathroom the concert was over and Josh started yapping at Steph about drinking Fireball. Something about an old bet and she was going to drink a whole bottle that night and he had the bet on video and it was time to pay up. He started getting Mike into the mix and both were teasing (harassing) my girl about drinking fireball. Mike was completely unaware of what had transpired as the music was loud and he and his wife were off to the side. Mike was just having fun with his long time and good friend Steph. I didn't think Josh was just having fun. I was definitely seeing red and I knew Steph was wanting to get out of the situation. I told Josh to knock it off and Steph would not be having any fireball that night. He asked what I was going to do about it. I told him I would protect my girl if I needed to. Now he starts in about fighting and tells Mike that I want to fight them both. I'm much larger than both and in fairly good shape for a 50 year old. I wasn't scared of Josh, just pissed. As we headed to toward the stairwells of the stadium, Josh kept yelling how I wanted to fight him and Mike. Mike and his wife were ahead of us a little bit. Josh leaves his wife's side and comes toward us and spanks Steph on her ass. It was chaotic as you can imagine 35,000 drunk people heading out of the stadium all at once. In the stairwell, Steph and I had the lead with our party right behind us and about a million strangers all heading to the exits with us. Josh continued to harass me about wanting to fight him and Mike. Finally Josh's wife spoke up and told him to knock it off. She explained that I didn't say I wanted to fight anyone, but I would protect Steph if needed. We left for our hotel and they wen to a close by bar. Over the next several days, Steph and I discussed and fought how to address things. I knew that Mike and his wife were very close with Steph as well as Josh and his wife. I knew I would have to be around Josh again. Steph insisted that he was a good family man and just drunk and was choosing to just let it go. Steph also explained that Mike and Emily would be mortified if this was brought up. First off, Josh was at fault, not us. Their feelings shouldn't be negative toward me or Steph. Secondly, I'm a good family man and had alot to drink that night, but didn't touch any other women or assault them. Same with Mike. I only saw him holding his wife. I didn't want to confront Josh. I asked if we could sit down with Mike and Emily, explain what happened, so next time I'm forced to be around Josh, if he started acting up, Mike or Emily could be aware, and just tell Josh to leave Steph alone and she wouldn't be having fireball or whatever shit he might be talking on some future night. This way, I'm not in a position where I have to take action. Because I definitely want to get physical with this clown. Steph actually asked me to just ignore it and the next time we were around Josh, to just hope his behavior was better. This was ludicrous to me. I am the type of man that always wants to get ahead of situations. I hate being blind sided with anything. If we have a plan in place ahead of a potential problem, the likelihood of staying calm and having the best possible outcome is much greater. If we duck our heads and just hope, that's how things get messy and small problems get much larger. Steph and I are VERY different here. Although, I have seen Steph strive for peace and avoid conflict so much that she will avoid getting ahead of other issues in her life to try to prolong the time before the problem needs to be addressed. In one particular family instance I have seen a problem, that in my opinion, wasn't address and is currently out of control and probably not salvageable. We have discussed and fought mercilessly about this. Not always. Sometimes it wouldn't be a topic for a month or more and we would be proceeding with the best relationship I've ever had minus the above issues. In the last 2 months a couple of things have come up that are absolutely nothing with other men we have run into...an old high school acquaintance being one and a person whom is famous in our city that her girlfriends met and got pictures with but Steph was trying to tell me how he was an as to them that night. There was NOTHING with her old high school acquaintance. But the whole night I was seeing things that made me question her. My insecurities and triggers from my past are in full fling at this time. I'm taking non issues or small issues and making them into BIG issues. I am sabotaging this relationship. I don't want her going out of town on girls trips as I don't trust her to stop men from hitting on her hard or touching her. I can tell you that through my core I KNOW she would never cheat. I know she only wants me. I know that she would never want to lead another man on and she cares deeply for me. But I don't know where her boundaries or if they even exist with regards to a relationship. At this time, I completely lost my cool when she was trying to tell me the story about the local celebrity. I was way out of line. I know that I'm ruining us. But I need to have some closure with regards to Josh and know that Steph will have a plan that I'm aware of to not let men assault her or touch her inappropriately. We are not "together" as of 5 days ago. She can't be with a raging jealous lunatic. I can't be with someone who doesn't respect our relationship or my feelings enough to get out of her comfort zone and take action. Not every single time, but when it's egregious. That night with Josh was EGREGIOUS. I know we need professional help but I need my own help first. I'm to far off course currently. I reached out to a counselor this morning in hopes of an appointment soon that isn't for couples therapy. I am hopeful that we can get this right. But of all the fights we have had, she has expressed she understands my feelings and to her they are valid, but can't bring herself to take action. Ugh!!!!
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2024.05.07 00:30 _Revelator_ Clarkson's Columns: The Lamborghini Huracán Tecnica review & I don’t need to see your wedding tackle

Clarkson's Columns: The Lamborghini Huracán Tecnica review & I don’t need to see your wedding tackle
The Lamborghini Huracán Tecnica — they’ve created a monster. I love it.
By Jeremy Clarkson (The Sunday Times, May 5)
In recent weeks people with annoying adenoids and tape measures have explained that the average width of the modern car is now 200cm, which means they are too wide to fit into a standard 180cm wide city street parking bay.
Naturally this demand for ever-larger cars is deemed to be stupid and all the fault of Israel and the Tories and bankers who want us in bigger and bigger Chelsea tractors so we can more effectively bully cyclists and hard-working members of the BLT+ community.
Well, that’s nonsense. The only reason cars are getting bigger is so there’s enough room inside to house all the airbags and side-impact protection bars and crumple zones and those funny little cables that pull the pedals away from your feet when you hit a tree. Safe spaces are what people demand these days, whether they are in a public lavatory or at work. And especially in a car. There’s an expectation that you should be able to drive your family saloon off Beachy Head and emerge from the impact with no injury that can’t be mended with a small sticking plaster.
So yes. It’s a nuisance when you park your enormous Renault in a parking space and the only way out is through the sunroof. And it’s annoying when you find your new Range Rover barely fits through most of London’s width restrictions. But the reason for this is your safety. So you have to conclude that, all things considered, it’s a price worth paying.
Or is it? I mean it is for your children, obviously. You want them to be in a motorised bouncy castle on the road. But I wonder. Do I enjoy feeling safe? I’m not sure I do. I think that’s what made me fall in love with cars in the first place. Because they were a little bit dangerous.
I don’t think I’m alone. Today, all new cars come with “driver aids” that beep when you break the speed limit, tug at the wheel when you stray out of your lane or apply the brakes if sensors think you’re about to crash. And a recent survey found that 41 per cent of us turn these features off before setting off on a journey. They’re there to save our lives and we don’t want that.
If you are a proper petrolhead, you don’t want any sort of environmentally minded propulsion system either. You don’t want a turbocharger or an electric motor or a system that harnesses energy every time you press the brake pedal, because all these things are interfering with the purity of the driving experience. It’s condom sex. Sensible and safe for sure, but when it comes to the environment, I’ll have a proper car and do my bit for the planet by eating more meat or turning the central heating down a bit.
And that brings me on to the Lamborghini Huracán Tecnica. A few years ago I sat next to a Lambo boss at a Sunday Times dinner and he told me that if his paymasters at Volkswagen “ever force me to make an electric car, I will shoot myself”.
Well, sorry mate, you’d better oil your service revolver because Lambo will soon go down the electric route. This, then, is the last of the monsters. No turbo. No hybrid drive. No beeping onboard nanny. And a very real sense that if you get a corner wrong you’ll be going through the pearly gates at 200mph with your trousers on fire.
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Let’s begin with the engine. It’s a V10, and I think we are in agreement that this is the best possible configuration, partly because of inherent balance and partly because of reduced reciprocating forces. But mainly because of the soundtrack. Formula One never sounded better than it did when the cars had V10s and the Lexus LFA is the best car I’ve ever driven, principally because of the sound its V10 engine made. And then there’s the BMW M5. There have been many brilliant incarnations of this car over the years but peak M5 arrived, I think, when it had a V10.
The Lambo uses a 5.2-litre version that sends all of its 630 brake horsepowers to the rear wheels. Most Hurácans have four-wheel drive. But this one doesn’t. This one is designed so you can do big, dangerous skids.
So you’re probably thinking that it’s going to be as well-appointed inside as a chest freezer. I did too. But it isn’t. There’s hand-stitched leather and electric seats and a dash-mounted iPad thing that controls all the stuff you’re used to these days. It’s actually quite intuitive too. And best of all you can actually see what’s coming at oblique junctions. That’s pretty much a first for a mid-engined supercar.
So, it’s civilised then? Not really. It starts with the roar of a sci-fi space alien, settles down to a gentle rumble and then starts roaring again every time you go near the throttle. It’s a magnificent sound and when you put it in Sport or Track mode it gets even better.
The only problem is that when you do that you put the suspension in an “uncomfortable” setting. This is because the Hurácan was conceived at a time when it was not possible to make the engine sporty and the suspension not.
I settled, after two yards, for Street mode and fell in love. Because the Hurácan is old and therefore unburdened with all the legislative nonsense that burdens other cars, it feels dainty. And light. And carefree. The back may be singing something volcanic but the front feels as darty as a dragonfly. Couple this exquisite lightness of being to four-wheel steering and you end up with a car that, at first, is quite hard to place on the road. The steering wheel is like the joystick on a Hughes 500 helicopter. You don’t move it to change direction. You just think about moving it.
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Eventually you get the hang of it and the result is bliss. I was coming back from a meeting on a road I used to use when I was on Performance Car magazine. It’s a road still used today by Harry Metcalfe for his YouTube car reviews and I noticed I was being followed quite closely by some kind of hatchback.
I wasn’t really pushing it and I’m 64 so way beyond showing off, but I noticed that in the bends, which felt comfortable for the Huracán, the hatchback looked like that boat George Clooney had in The Perfect Storm. All over the place. Hope he had a lot of airbags in there.
Drawbacks. Well, much is made of the styling and technical differences between this and a normal Huracán. But they aren’t that obvious. Also, it’s expensive, thirsty and if you’re big (fat) it’s a bugger to get out of. But that’s as it should be with cars of this type.
So there we are. A brilliant car. A poster car. And an old-fashioned, dangerous car. And, best of all, a gigantic middle-finger salute to the future.
The Clarksometer: Lamborghini Huracán Tecnica
Engine: 5204cc, V10, petrol
Power: 630bhp @ 8000rpm
Torque: 417 lb ft @ 6500rpm
Acceleration: 0-62mph: 3.2sec
Top speed: 202mph
Fuel: 19.5mpg
CO₂: 328g/km
Weight: 1,379kg
Price: £213,600
Release date: On sale now
Jeremy's rating: ★★★★★
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Sorry, but I don’t need to see your wedding tackle
Jeremy Clarkson (The Sunday Times, May 5)
I’m not sure why anyone would want to get married in the nude. Maybe the cost of living crisis means you’re forced to choose between a dress and a honeymoon.
But whatever the reason, it’s now possible, thanks to an enlightened mayor in Sardinia who’s announced that couples can tie the knot on a beach in his manor while wearing nothing at all. Except the bride must have a veil. He’s adamant about that.
Nudism has become a big thing in Italy, apparently. We are told that 600,000 people over there go about their business naked. I’ve never seen any evidence of this myself. All the policemen that have stopped me for motoring misdemeanours in Italy have been clothed, as have all of the waiters in all of the restaurants I’ve visited.
However, we are told that if you go to a beach in Tuscany these days and wear swimming trunks, people will look at you as if you are mad. Which you are if you go to a Tuscan beach, because they are all terrible. But back to this nakedness. How do we feel about that? Relaxed? Or revolted?
When I was growing up, nudity was everywhere. In every BBC Play for Today there would be a bit of dialogue and then, all of a sudden, someone with a Seventies welcome mat between their legs would breeze through the door and start arranging flowers or making tea.
Today, we have warnings before every show about all of the horrors that lie ahead. We’re told that we are going to see nudity and smoking, and that there may be drug “misuse”. Which I always think will be a scene of someone injecting heroin with the wrong end of a syringe. We had none of that before Bouquet of Barbed Wire. The theme music ended and immediately Susan Penhaligon whipped her jumper off.
I wouldn’t have been even slightly surprised had Kenneth Kendall presented the evening news in the nude. It was normal. And it was especially normal at the cinema. I was taken at the age of 11 to see a film about the early life of Winston Churchill. It was all tally-ho and biffing the Boers and then all of a sudden a young lady got her breasts out.
Then there was Vanishing Point. A huge car chase across western America. A tremendous pounding V8 soundtrack. Epic vistas. And then, for no reason at all, a naked woman on a motorcycle. That’s how things were then. I’m surprised they didn’t get a bit of topless action into Morning Departure.
Today we are told on an hourly basis that our children are subjected to far too much online titillation. But back in the day, if you went into a newsagent’s or a petrol station to buy a Sherbet Fountain and some Spangles, one whole wall would invariably be plastered with a seemingly endless selection of girlie magazines.
One was called H&E, which stood for Health and Efficiency. Aimed at the nudist community, it was full of pictures of healthy and slightly Aryan-looking families playing naked swingball and doing leapfrogs over one another. It was completely unsexual in tone. And to demonstrate just how unsexual, there were an awful lot of naked children in there. Hmmm. But at the time, you could read it without shame while listening to Gilbert O’Sullivan singing about his love for Clair. Who was his manager’s three-year-old daughter.
“But why in spite of our age difference do I cry?/ Each time I leave you, I feel I could die/ Nothing means more to me than hearing you say,/ ‘I’m going to marry you. Will you marry me, Uncle Ray?’/ Oh, Clair.”
In 1972, when that song was released, we all thought it was lovely that a fully grown man would write a touching love song about a small child. But now we are more nuanced, more cynical, more aware. Which is why we all read the lyrics today and think: “Hang on a minute.”
And I think we’ve seen a similar change in attitude towards nudity. When Susan Penhaligon appeared topless, we all thought: “Oh dear, the poor girl is probably a bit warm in all that cheesecloth.” Whereas if it happened now, we’d think the director was obviously a pervert and that the poor girl was being abused.
Nudity is now frowned upon. If you go to Juan-les-Pins this summer, you’ll see very few women in carefully designed topless swimsuits. The days of Brigitte Bardot letting it all hang out are over. Yes, there are still beaches where you can lie on the sand in the nude, but these are mainly for people who are melanoma enthusiasts, German or mad.
Why do you think nudist beaches are so remote and difficult to access? It’s not that we don’t want to see all those bits. It’s that we don’t want to see the people the bits are attached to.
I once accidentally stumbled onto a nude beach in the south of France. And noticed that all the chaps had tied cotton tightly around the base of their penises. I have no idea why they might have done this, but it didn’t strike me as normal behaviour.
Then I went with A.A. Gill to a nudist beach on Mykonos, where we encountered a young man wearing only motorcycle boots. So let’s think about that. He’d decided to go to the beach and thought: “What do I need? Sun cream. Towel. And motorcycle boots.” That’s not the thought process of someone who’s sane.
Public nudity used to be mainstream. Even Jenny Agutter did it. But it isn’t any more. It’s been hijacked by the lunatic fringe. So when you think of a naked couple getting married on a sun-kissed Sardinian beach, do not picture in your mind a bridegroom who has the pecs of Apollo and the eyes of Franco Nero. Picture instead someone who looks like Silvio Berlusconi.
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And here's the Sun column. Clarkson's columns are regularly collected as books. You can buy them from his boss or your local bookshop.
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2024.05.05 19:36 PracticalCows What's your dating hot take? Something you believe from your own dating experiences that this sub would typically disagree with?

I have six:
1) If he doesn't want to commit after 2 months of dating, he'll never want to commit. You gotta have self respect and know when to walk away. Being his side piece will absolutely kill your self esteem and it's not worth it.
2) People have their phones on them all the time. A very slow response time has always meant disinterest in my lived experience. (This is coming from a guy who isn't big into texting at all, but it shouldn't take 11 hours to get back unless you've been performing surgery all day).
3) Dating can easily start feeling disenguious. Same text banter, same places, same photos I show on my phone and so on. It feels like I'm working a part-time job trying to get a girlfriend. I hate that it's this way, but some things lead to progression and some things don't...kind of like working in sales or any other job.
4) He / She knows exactly why they don't want to continue dating you. Chemistry / spark / it's not you it's me is nice vaguieties.
5) You can typically tell within the first minute if she likes what she sees or not. If her eyes are flat and her facial expression looks slightly let down, it's dead. This is the main reason a lot of us guys just want to meet ASAP. No need to spend week(s) texting if it gets all thrown out the window within the first few minutes of the first date anyways.
6) Looks matter a lot. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or oblivious to how much they matter. People put up with a lot of poop for a very pretty face.
I had a very handsome friend sleeping on my couch who was in between jobs. He had a lot of sex on that couch from random women from Hinge /bumble / the local bar. I was almost impressed with how easily he got laid despite his life otherwise being a total train wreck. I don't want to talk badly about a friend, but he wasn't really a good person to people, but he looked like a more handsome version of George Clooney with pitched blue eyes.
What are yours?
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2024.05.03 21:17 yadavvenugopal Ryan Toomey's Favorite Movies About Space Exploration

Ryan Toomey's Favorite Movies About Space Exploration
While space travel might still be a distant reality for most of us, the magic of cinema can transport us to these far-off realms from the comfort of our living rooms. In this article, we dive into my top five movies about space exploration, each offering a unique perspective on the universe and our place within it.
From the tense survival drama of "Apollo 13" to the mind-bending voyages of "Interstellar" and "2001: A Space Odyssey," these films do more than entertain; they expand our sense of wonder and challenge our imagination.
PS: Ryan Toomey from Upbeat Geek has written this amazing article for us!

Movies about Space Exploration

1. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)

Directed by Stanley Kubrick, "2001: A Space Odyssey" is a monumental sci-fi epic that follows the journey of the spaceship Discovery One, bound for Jupiter.

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With a cast that includes Keir Dullea and Gary Lockwood, the film is renowned for its groundbreaking visual effects, deep philosophical questions, and the iconic, yet enigmatic artificial intelligence antagonist, HAL 9000.
Its innovative storytelling and the majestic scope of space exploration make it a seminal work in the genre of space cinema.
You might enjoy The Original Lost in Space Series (1965-68) by Irwin Allen

2. Apollo 13 (1995)

Ron Howard's "Apollo 13" dramatically recounts the real-life crisis that unfolded aboard the Apollo 13 lunar mission in 1970.

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Starring Tom Hanks, Kevin Bacon, and Bill Paxton as astronauts Jim Lovell, Jack Swigert, and Fred Haise, the film captures the crew's tense and precarious situations as they work towards a safe return to Earth following a catastrophic spacecraft malfunction.
The film is a tribute to the ingenuity and determination of NASA and its astronauts, making it an inspiring and memorable space-themed movie.

3. Gravity (2013)

In "Gravity," Sandra Bullock and George Clooney star as astronauts stranded in space after their space shuttle is destroyed. Directed by Alfonso Cuarón, this film is an intense and emotive survival story that captivates viewers with its almost tangible depiction of space's vast emptiness and hostility.

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The movie's use of 3D technology and stunning cinematography not only immerses viewers in the terrifying beauty of space but also highlights the isolation and fragility of human life in the cosmos.

4. Interstellar (2014)

Venturing through wormholes and confronting the relativity of time, "Interstellar" is one of Christopher Nolan’s best movies that explores the limits of human exploration as Earth nears its end.

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Matthew McConaughey, Anne Hathaway, Jessica Chastain, and Michael Caine deliver powerful performances, portraying astronauts and scientists on a quest to find a new habitable planet. The film is celebrated for its scientific accuracy, particularly the depiction of black holes and time dilation, making it a thrilling and thought-provoking space movie.

5. The Martian (2015)

Based on Andy Weir's novel, "The Martian" tells the story of Mark Watney, a botanist and astronaut played by Matt Damon, who is mistakenly presumed dead and left behind on Mars.

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The film details his struggle for survival under harsh conditions while cultivating food and finding ways to communicate with Earth. Directed by Ridley Scott, the movie combines humor, science, and human perseverance, offering a compelling and technically detailed portrayal of life on Mars and the challenges of interplanetary travel.
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Achievements in Space Exploration

We as a species have always had a deep need to explore and have acted on the same through significant milestones in space exploration. Here are some notable achievements in space travel and space exploration:
1. 1969 Apollo 11
Neil Armstrong made history when he became the first person to set foot on the moon as part of the Apollo 11 mission.
Check out My Top 5 Favorite Sci-Fi Movies
2. Voyager 1 and 2
One of the coolest missions to date, The Voyager Mission involved sending out space probes to study the Jovian (Jupiter) systems followed by interstellar exploration.

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Voyager 1 had an intergalactic encyclopedia with even a golden disk that contained all the sounds of Earth and information about our planet.
Going by the Netflix series 3 Body Problem, it is highly probable that it might be an intergalactic dinner bell for stronger aliens to eliminate us. But I guess time will tell!
3. Mars Pathfinder, Sojourner rover
Launched on December 4, 1996, it landed on the surface of Mars on July 4, 1997, leading to the coolest RC car of all time being operated from the Earth on another planet. It collected invaluable data about the red planet laying the foundation for decades of active research.
Read Top 10 Moon Movies With Plots Revolving around the Earth's Moon
4. The European Space Agency's Rosetta
The closest thing to the cool concept of space travel and the terrible movie Armageddon, the ESA’s Rosetta was the first spaceship to launch a probe (Philae) to intercept and land on a comet and transmit data back to Earth.
5. JWST
The James Webb Space Telescope is a sea change in space observation using IR imaging to generate detailed visuals of intergalactic space.

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Delivering images that are exponentially more detailed than the Hubble Telescope, JWST is a significant leap in space exploration technologies.
Read The Irwin Allen Lost in Space Legacy

Wrapping Up

Movies about space exploration do more than dazzle us with stunning visuals and thrilling plot twists. They challenge our perceptions, test the human spirit, and ignite our curiosity about what lies beyond our world.
Whether you're a seasoned astronaut in spirit or a newcomer to the genre, there's endless wonder to be found in the stars. What will be your next interstellar adventure?
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2024.05.02 16:59 TheVampyresBride Trying to watch more Harvey Keitel movies and need some recommendations.

In my quest to watch more De Niro movies (see link in comments) I've really become a big fan of Harvey Keitel. They've worked together quite a few times and their scenes together are always golden. So I started watching more of Harvey's movies and I've been blown away by his performances. He's the type of actor that makes a movie better just by being in it. I checked out his imdb and he's been in A LOT of movies. I want to review the movies I've already seen here but I'd also like recommendations on some others I should check out.
Reservoir Dogs ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
I immediately liked this movie after I first saw it. I've seen it a few times since and it gets better with each viewing. I think, so far, this is the best performance Keitel has ever given. His chemistry with Tim Roth is incredible. The acting and the dialogue really make the movie. And the non linear fashion of the storytelling makes this movie an unforgettable experience. One of Tarantino's best.
The Piano ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
The music is the first thing I noticed about this film. It's hauntingly beautiful and makes this movie unforgettable. Obviously the acting is incredible all around. The eroticism is very well done. I knocked a star off because I wanted more backstory on Sam Neill and Harvey Keitel's characters. Also I thought the end happened kind of quickly.
Pulp Fiction ⭐️⭐️⭐️
I'm probably the only person in the world who isn't in love with Pulp Fiction. I've only seen it once so it may grow on me, but first impression is that I wasn't thrilled by it. Maybe I'm not used to movies that are comprised of many interconnected stories, but it just came off as random to me. I didn't care for Bruce Willis' character's story. I enjoyed the dialogue between Sam Jackson and Travolta and there is a certain charm to the film. I loved Harvey's Wolf character. I love how he can make a character with so little screentime so memorable. The acting is great overall and it's certainly a unique film.
Taxi Driver ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Already reviewed Taxi Driver on my De Niro movie post but wanted to add that Keitel dominates the few scenes he's in and plays one of his most memorable characters to date perfectly. This has become one of my favorite movies of all time.
Falling In Love ⭐️⭐️⭐️
Already reviewed on my De Niro movie post. Standard love story between De Niro and Meryl Streep. Keitel is barely in it, but does well in the scenes he's in. Overall a sweet simple movie.
Holy Smoke ⭐️⭐️
I watched this movie because it was directed by the same woman that directed The Piano. I enjoyed that so I thought I'd enjoy this. Wrong. This movie has very strange comedy that feels out of place. The scenes with Keitel and Kate Winslet start off great then the movie morphs into something else completely. The end makes very little sense. I gave it 2 stars for the performances of the leads. I actually really enjoyed Keitel's performance. I just wish the movie had lived up to it.
The Two Jakes ⭐️⭐️⭐️ and a half
This movie is a long awaited sequel to the classic film Chinatown. I enjoyed Chinatown and was looking forward to seeing the sequel. I've read many negative reviews for this movie and I was curious how I'd feel after seeing it. I actually enjoyed the film. It's no Chinatown, but it's interesting to see an older Jake Gittes. I thought the movie needed editing as there are some unnecessary scenes in it. But I enjoyed Harvey's performance, his chemistry with Jack, and his emotional breakdown scene at the end of the film. I didn't see the twist of the film coming so it made me appreciate the film more. It's hard to make a worthy sequel to a classic like Chinatown but I appreciated this movie for the attempt.
Little Nicky ⭐️⭐️⭐️
This is a very silly Adam Sandler comedy that I grew up watching. Since I've become a fan of Harvey's, I decided to rewatch the film and pay close attention to his performance as Satan. He does great and looks like he's having a good time. You can't expect much from a story like this one, and maybe it's the nostalgia in me, but I always enjoyed this film. I used to watch it with my brothers when I was a kid and I find it just as funny as I did then.
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore ⭐️⭐️⭐️
One of Scorsese's earlier films. Harvey only has a few scenes but boy does he do a great job. He goes from charming to truly menacing in a short amount of time and he does it perfectly. He's probably the most memorable thing about this film. Overall I enjoyed the film but felt it dragged in the second half.
Finding Graceland ⭐️
Weird flick where Harvey plays a guy who thinks he's Elvis as a drifter and helps to emotionally heal the broken people who give him rides. Super forgettable movie. Harvey's performance was OK but maybe needed a little more charisma if he's going to play Elvis. But I don't think anything could've saved this movie.
From Dusk Til Dawn ⭐️
As a huge vampire lover I was surprised that I hadn't seen this movie in my youth. I was even more surprised that I didn't like it. Firstly this feels like 2 different movies. The first half is vastly different than the second half. Secondly while I found the characters played by George Clooney and Quentin Tarantino well acted, they were very unlikable. While I understand Tarantino's character is supposed to be a sick and evil bastard, by having Clooney's character still love and support him the writers make his character not much better. Weird for a main character to be that way. I found Keitel kind of underacting here and his character is pretty forgettable. As was Juliette Lewis. The movie also felt low budget and desperately needed some charm or comedy to offset the dark beginning of the film.
Cop Land ⭐️⭐️⭐️
Already reviewed in my De Niro movie list. Good movie with a great cast (Sylvester Stallone, De Niro, Keitel, Ray Liotta, and Robert Patrick).
Mean Streets ⭐️
Already reviewed in my De Niro movie list. Great performances by Keitel and De Niro but found the movie too low budget and didn't have much of a story. The end was good though.
The Irishman ⭐️⭐️⭐️
Already reviewed in my De Niro movie list. Liked certain parts but felt the movie was too slow and de aging was distracting. Also really wish Keitel was in it more.
Little Fockers ⭐️⭐️⭐️
Already reviewed in my De Niro movie list. Keitel only has like two scenes in this movie but I thought he was funny and the movie was silly but made me laugh quite a few times.
Bad Lieutenant ⭐️⭐️?
I've only seen the R rated version of this film. I hear that you need to see the NC17 version to appreciate it. But as it is I didn't really enjoy this film. The bulk of it is Keitel's character messed up on drugs. The raped nun story takes a backseat. But his performance is very believable and haunting. I'll review this one again when I've seen the full version.
City Of Industry ⭐️⭐️ ⭐️ and a half
Simple action film. Keitel is badass and effective as an almost retired thief looking for revenge on the guy who murdered his brother on what should've been their last heist together. Keitel and Timothy Hutton as brothers have good chemistry together. Wish there was more scenes with them. The movie starts off promising but second half drags as he's looking for Stephen Dorff who plays the villain. Lucy Liu as a stripper and Elliot Gould as a loanshark is like the most random casting ever. But overall it's an OK movie if you want a simple revenge action flick and to see Harvey kick some ass.
Red Dragon ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
As my one of my favorite films of all time is The Silence Of The Lambs, I've seen Red Dragon many times and enjoy it almost as much. I watched it recently and payed close attention to Keitel's performance. He's very believable as Jack Crawford and has great chemistry with Edward Norton's Will Graham. This is a great film that everyone should see, especially with a cast that includes Edward Norton, Keitel, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Ralph Fiennes, and, of course, Anthony Hopkins as the infamous Hannibal Lecter.
The Grand Budapest Hotel ⭐️⭐️
I'm not a big Wes Anderson fan so this movie isn't really for me. But the colors are gorgeous and the story is interesting. It's got an awesome cast and great acting all around. Keitel isn't in it much but makes the most of the few scenes he has.
The Duellists ⭐️⭐️⭐️ and a half
This movie is simply stunning. It completely transports you to a different time. I heard that the dueling is some of the best you'll see in film and took the actors quite a while to practice. Those dueling scenes are some of the best scenes in the film. Even though it's called The Duellists I feel like the film mostly focuses on Keith Carradine's character. Wish Keitel was in it more and had more dialogue. But overall an enjoyable film.
Thelma and Louise ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
A classic film that I hadn't seen til recently. This movie needs no introduction. As old as it is it still holds up today. Keitel isn't in it much but does well in the scenes he's in. Even though I knew how it ended it still struck me as one of the most powerful endings I've ever seen. Great film.
The Last Temptation Of Christ ⭐️⭐️ and a half.
I was very curious about this film due to the controversy it received when it first came out. I'm not a religious person but I've seen quite a few Jesus movies due to my parents' religious nature. This is one of the most unusual Jesus films I've ever seen. While I know it's not based on the gospels, it would be nice if more of the dialogue felt closer to them. The lack of accents are distracting. I understand having Jesus be more human and having doubts and fears but I wish he had more power and inspiration to give to his followers too. He's a little too human in this. The nudity felt unnecessary but that's just my opinion. I actually found the last 40 minutes to be the best part of the movie. To have Jesus see what his life would be like if he didn't need to be crucified and seeing the aftermath of that decision is very powerful. Satan's role in the film is also very well executed. I feel Satan's involvement is missing from most religious movies. Keitel does great as Judas in a very interesting take on the character and his impassioned speech to Jesus at the end of the film is moving. Overall an interesting take on the Jesus story but wish it was more familiar in certain areas.
Smoke ⭐️⭐️
This movie received pretty positive reviews, but I think what people are really seeing is two excellent performances in a movie with a subpar script. The movie is comprised of multiple stories that interconnect. That's not a problem, but I find that most of these stories aren't focused on enough and don't have satisfying resolutions. As a result, I feel like I'm watching a movie that's half finished. I also found some of the dialogue to be hammy and better suited to a stage play. But Harvey Keitel and William Hurt are so natural and brilliant in their performances that they make the movie appear good.
Blue In the Face ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ and a half
A companion film to Smoke that came out in the same year. I actually liked it a lot more. It doesn't really have a major story and is comprised mostly of interviews with random New Yorkers and customers coming into Auggie's cigar shop. This is what I expected Smoke to be, and I'm glad I watched this film. Before I started watching it I was having a pretty bad day and my thoughts went the suicidal ideation route. This movie actually made me feel better. All of a sudden I felt like I was with friends just having random conversations. Even though I know nothing about smoking or living in Brooklyn, I still found the conversations interesting and relatable. Especially about crime rates among youths and smoking becoming less popular. I liked seeing Keitel's Auggie character again even though they could've focused on him a little more. I also like that Victor Argo has a bigger role. Seeing him randomly pull out his guitar and start singing reminded me of my dad and made me a little emotional. I knocked off a star because I felt Auggie's girlfriend was annoying. As a Hispanic, I hate seeing over the top Latin performances where the "comedy" is that the Latino speaks funny. She feels like a caricature of a fiery latina. But other than that I enjoyed the film. It's very charming and reminds me of a different time. If you're expecting an actual film like Smoke, you might be disappointed. This isn't really a movie. It contains a lot of improv and documentary style filming. But if you know what you're getting from a movie like this, then you should enjoy it.
That's it so far. Thanks for reading. Remember to please leave some recommendations for more of Keitel's films and your thoughts on my reviews. I'll be editing this list as I watch more of his films.
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2024.04.30 04:53 True_Entrepreneur826 There’s a Golden Girls actor in every MSW episode

For all you Golden Girl fans, have you ever noticed there’s a GG actor in just about every MSW episode? Rue was on an episode of MSW in season 1 before GG started and Stan Zbornak is in a bunch of MSW episodes as a NYPD detective, but most are actors who just played a small bit role in one GG episode or another. The actors that play George/Jamie Devereaux, Clayton Hollingsworth, Glenn O’Brien (both Alex Rocco and Jerry Orbach), Father Lahey, Schlomo ZiegleJohn Thomas Anderson, Detective Al Mullins,Bobby the cop (George Clooney), Dr. Norgan (the dentist who gropes Rose), Jerry the widower that Blanche dates, Lucas Hollingsworth (Leslie Nielsen), Sonny Bono, Lyle Wagoner, Simon (the guy Blanche dates in the pace maker episode), Bob (Blanche’s virgin New Year’s Eve double date with Rose), Jerry Kennedy the mamas boy anchorman, Bill the pharmacist, Rex Huntington, Gil Kessler, and John Quinn (the blind guy Blanche dates) are all also in one or more MSW episodes! And I love both shows!
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2024.04.18 15:12 IronyAllAround Am I the only who feels like we men are supposed to be grateful or beg for whatever we can get?

I know the title may be a little confusing. Hopefully I can write this a little more coherently. But I feel like I see this in movies, like one I watched yesterday:
The guy is super fit, successful, owns a business and seems moral. The woman is so-so (imo), loose morally/has a cavalier attitude about sleeping with whoever whenever, and overall has a cold bad attitude towards the guy, and is financially struggling.
But he says "I love her. She's different. She's super cool. She's special. " on and on.
I also see it in the regular world, including family.
I have a family member who is like 15 years or so past her prime. She looked like Heather Locklear in the 80s/90s. Now she's put on weight and age and it really strikes me how much she looks like her father. Who pretty much always joked that he was the ugly one of the family.
And she shared a picture of her and her husband with his shirt off, he's a cowboy/rancher, playing guitar and he's totally ripped. And she "jokes" that it's her life mission now that they're married to make his life miserable. And he too seems to laugh/lap it up.
I'll add, and maybe this is a bit too much, that I'm a good looking guy. I am active, fit, and healthy. I've been compared to different celebrities over the years. Clooney, Crowe, etc. Which often gets me treated like shit from other guys, but it seems that in the last 10-20 years whatever guys have turned that way to tearing each other down/not supporting each other.
But I've had women say the rudest things to me. One time a woman said I was seeing things from the perspective "of a good looking guy". I said (I spent most of my life being overly sincere/genuine/nice) "Thanks xxx I didn't know you thought I was good looking". I was pretty young.
She snaps back "Well YOUR'E NOT HOLLYWOOD LOOKING, but you are good looking!"
Which threw me back. Then asked me out. And seemed truly dumbfounded why I wouldn't be interested in dating her.
She's far from the only one who insulted me, then expected me to show interest.
But I also, in general public, catch women looking at me and overall if I look back or god forbid smile at them they more often than not will turn their noses up and walk away. Or if they are with a guy sometimes they walk past me and my gf/date/whatever and give me dirty looks.
I want to ask if it's more my area, I'm in the NE US.
But if I'm seeing this in movies too, then I wonder if it's a wide/common thing or even some sort of programming.
Any thoughts or experience with this?

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2024.04.16 06:08 MacGrath1994 97th Academy Awards and 45th Golden Raspberry Awards - my current predictions

It's been a month since this year's awards season wrapped up. However, in the past month, I have been coming up with predictions in my mind about what will be nominated for next year's Oscars and Razzies. So, I thought it be a cool idea to share them with everyone. Let me know if you think whether or not I will be spot on.

97th Academy Awards

Best Picture
Let's be honest, we all know DUNE: PART TWO is getting a Best Picture nomination. It's better than PART ONE and since that movie received a Best Picture nomination and won 6 out of 10 of it's Academy Award nominations, it more than makes sense for PART TWO to have a similar outcome. I just can't believe that most of the obvious predictions for Best Picture next year are sequels. That's because they're sequels to movies that were nominated and/or won Best Picture among other categories. FURIOSA is a prequel, but still. I know a lot of you find it strange that BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE is one of my predictions for this category, but if you think about it, since it's a sequel 36-and-a-half years in the making, it could be the next TOP GUN: MAVERICK. I shouldn't hold my breath on that, but BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE is competing with DUNE: PART TWO for my favorite movie of 2024. So, why not hope for the best. MEGALOPOLIS is unfortunately one of the year's most polarized films, hence why there's no announcement on who's distributing the film and when the release date will be. Yet it might actually surprise people when things get figured out. It is premiering in Cannes after all and something might get settled then.
The wild cards are a challenge, but at least one of these movies could surprise us. MONKEY MAN is a hugely praised action film with sociopolitical commentary. It doesn't just speak for India's economy, but pretty much the world too as we're living in tough times. A24 has a big track record these days and CIVIL WAR has messages that have been leading to discussion and controversy. CHALLENGERS just started receiving universal acclaim, which I did not expect. Let's see how that turns out. THE FALL GUY is going to kick off the summer blockbuster season with a bang. Like the other current wild cards, this movie is also getting great reviews as it is a love letter to Hollywood and the stunt community, which still doesn't have an Oscar category by the way. WOLFS is a psychological thriller with George Clooney and Brad Pitt producing and starring as two professional fixers hired for the same job. Honestly, if it turns out great, it might be this year's crime film that earns a Best Picture nomination similar to Quentin Tarantino and Michael Mann. WICKED adapts the first half of the beloved musical and so far, it looks good. If it becomes this year's hit musical masterpiece, it could also be nominated for the top prize among others.
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Best Animated Feature
Guessing the nominees was easy. Guessing the winner is tough. The first INSIDE OUT won this category eight years ago. Next year, the sequel could do the same thing depending on how beloved it is. While KUNG FU PANDA 4 didn't receive the amount of love as the first three movies and KFP3 wasn't even nominated back then, THE WILD ROBOT could be the DreamWorks Animation movie that gets a nomination as it already looks beautiful and might tell a great story. Plus, the Fall release doesn't hurt. MOANA was nominated for Best Animated Feature and if the sequel is just as good, it will be nominated. An animated LORD OF THE RINGS movie being nominated for this category seems like a no-brainier. As for a fifth nomination, that's become a tough nut to figure out. It could be an international movie or it could be the new WALLACE & GROMIT movie coming to Netflix. To be fair, the sequel to CHICKEN RUN didn't get nominated, so maybe I shouldn't bet on W&G just yet.
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Best Animated Short Film
I know THE SPIDER WITHIN premiered at Annecy last year, but it was just released to a wider audience on YouTube this year, so it should have a shot. Besides, the two SPIDER-VERSE movies won and were nominated respectively for Best Animated Feature. This short with it's beautiful animation and haunting thought-provoking themes should also receive the same love. Disney and Pixar have a great track record with most of their animated shorts shown before their feature films getting nominated and/or winning Oscar gold. Other nominations, I can't predict.
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Best Visual Effects
This has become a real tough nut to crack. However, with all the sequels and prequels to previous movies that received a nomination for this category, original movies like IF and MEGALOPOLIS could have a chance. WICKED also looks beautiful, but I don't know. It too could have a chance. However, my money as to who will win this category is DUNE: PART TWO as it's not only better than PART ONE, but PART ONE also won Best Visual Effects two years ago. Fight me!
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45th Golden Raspberry Awards

Worst Picture (among other categories)
So far, I can only guess three movies hated so much that they'll be nominated for Razzies including Worst Picture. MADAME WEB is obvious, but I wish it wasn't because I liked it. I just hope there's a movie more hated than MADAME WEB just so that movie can win Worst Picture and other categories. I still can't get over how WINNIE-THE-POOH: BLOOD AND HONEY II is considered a huge improvement over the first movie, which won Worst Picture and four other categories. Still, it's receiving mixed reviews and the first movie still has a bad reputation, so maybe the sequel will still get nominated. THE CROW is a movie I already hate as it's a reboot to the 1994 cult classic that nobody asked for and the trailer already looks like crap. I'm still upset that this movie got made and I'm not alone. Not by a long shot. I hope this reboot fails. What other movies do you think will be so bad that they will be nominated for Razzies?
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2024.04.16 06:08 MacGrath1994 97th Academy Awards and 45th Golden Raspberry Awards - my current predictions

It's been a month since this year's awards season wrapped up. However, in the past month, I have been coming up with predictions in my mind about what will be nominated for next year's Oscars and Razzies. So, I thought it be a cool idea to share them with everyone. Let me know if you think whether or not I will be spot on.

97th Academy Awards

Best Picture
Let's be honest, we all know DUNE: PART TWO is getting a Best Picture nomination. It's better than PART ONE and since that movie received a Best Picture nomination and won 6 out of 10 of it's Academy Award nominations, it more than makes sense for PART TWO to have a similar outcome. I just can't believe that most of the obvious predictions for Best Picture next year are sequels. That's because they're sequels to movies that were nominated and/or won Best Picture among other categories. FURIOSA is a prequel, but still. I know a lot of you find it strange that BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE is one of my predictions for this category, but if you think about it, since it's a sequel 36-and-a-half years in the making, it could be the next TOP GUN: MAVERICK. I shouldn't hold my breath on that, but BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE is competing with DUNE: PART TWO for my favorite movie of 2024. So, why not hope for the best. MEGALOPOLIS is unfortunately one of the year's most polarized films, hence why there's no announcement on who's distributing the film and when the release date will be. Yet it might actually surprise people when things get figured out. It is premiering in Cannes after all and something might get settled then.
The wild cards are a challenge, but at least one of these movies could surprise us. MONKEY MAN is a hugely praised action film with sociopolitical commentary. It doesn't just speak for India's economy, but pretty much the world too as we're living in tough times. A24 has a big track record these days and CIVIL WAR has messages that have been leading to discussion and controversy. CHALLENGERS just started receiving universal acclaim, which I did not expect. Let's see how that turns out. THE FALL GUY is going to kick off the summer blockbuster season with a bang. Like the other current wild cards, this movie is also getting great reviews as it is a love letter to Hollywood and the stunt community, which still doesn't have an Oscar category by the way. WOLFS is a psychological thriller with George Clooney and Brad Pitt producing and starring as two professional fixers hired for the same job. Honestly, if it turns out great, it might be this year's crime film that earns a Best Picture nomination similar to Quentin Tarantino and Michael Mann. WICKED adapts the first half of the beloved musical and so far, it looks good. If it becomes this year's hit musical masterpiece, it could also be nominated for the top prize among others.
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Best Animated Feature
Guessing the nominees was easy. Guessing the winner is tough. The first INSIDE OUT won this category eight years ago. Next year, the sequel could do the same thing depending on how beloved it is. While KUNG FU PANDA 4 didn't receive the amount of love as the first three movies and KFP3 wasn't even nominated back then, THE WILD ROBOT could be the DreamWorks Animation movie that gets a nomination as it already looks beautiful and might tell a great story. Plus, the Fall release doesn't hurt. MOANA was nominated for Best Animated Feature and if the sequel is just as good, it will be nominated. An animated LORD OF THE RINGS movie being nominated for this category seems like a no-brainier. As for a fifth nomination, that's become a tough nut to figure out. It could be an international movie or it could be the new WALLACE & GROMIT movie coming to Netflix. To be fair, the sequel to CHICKEN RUN didn't get nominated, so maybe I shouldn't bet on W&G just yet.
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Best Animated Short Film
I know THE SPIDER WITHIN premiered at Annecy last year, but it was just released to a wider audience on YouTube this year, so it should have a shot. Besides, the two SPIDER-VERSE movies won and were nominated respectively for Best Animated Feature. This short with it's beautiful animation and haunting thought-provoking themes should also receive the same love. Disney and Pixar have a great track record with most of their animated shorts shown before their feature films getting nominated and/or winning Oscar gold. Other nominations, I can't predict.
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Best Visual Effects
This has become a real tough nut to crack. However, with all the sequels and prequels to previous movies that received a nomination for this category, original movies like IF and MEGALOPOLIS could have a chance. WICKED also looks beautiful, but I don't know. It too could have a chance. However, my money as to who will win this category is DUNE: PART TWO as it's not only better than PART ONE, but PART ONE also won Best Visual Effects two years ago. Fight me!
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45th Golden Raspberry Awards

Worst Picture (among other categories)
So far, I can only guess three movies hated so much that they'll be nominated for Razzies including Worst Picture. MADAME WEB is obvious, but I wish it wasn't because I liked it. I just hope there's a movie more hated than MADAME WEB just so that movie can win Worst Picture and other categories. I still can't get over how WINNIE-THE-POOH: BLOOD AND HONEY II is considered a huge improvement over the first movie, which won Worst Picture and four other categories. Still, it's receiving mixed reviews and the first movie still has a bad reputation, so maybe the sequel will still get nominated. THE CROW is a movie I already hate as it's a reboot to the 1994 cult classic that nobody asked for and the trailer already looks like crap. I'm still upset that this movie got made and I'm not alone. Not by a long shot. I hope this reboot fails. What other movies do you think will be so bad that they will be nominated for Razzies?
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2024.04.15 05:06 critical_courtney [A Bargain for Wings] — Chapter Seventeen (sequel to The Fae Queen's Pet)

[A Bargain for Wings] — Chapter Seventeen (sequel to The Fae Queen's Pet)

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Chapter Seventeen:
I’d never been on a ship before. Sure, I’d watched a few at Naval Base Kitsap when I dated a girl serving her country. But it’s not like civilians are invited to come aboard. And those ships were much different than the Jolly Roger I now found myself inside of.
The captain’s quarters were more spacious than I expected. Five glass lanterns hung lit throughout the cabin with most of the light concentrated on a large round desk in the center of the room. Captain Smee sat behind the desk in a plush red chair nailed to the floor. Behind him, large windows covered in red curtains tried to let in even more light. Smells of lumber and parchment filled my nostrils as I gazed around.
To my left sat a large hammock and a chest of the captain’s personal effects. A small painting of a man with long charcoal hair and a hook for a hand hung near the entrance with several knives sticking out from it. The painting looked rather old and worn.
If I expected squeaky floorboards when Smee set my birdcage down on the table, I came away shocked. His floor was quiet as a mouse with each step he took.
The captain wasn’t rough in his carrying the cage, either. He didn’t swing it or jiggle things around so I’d fall into the bars. He carried it securely with a tight grip.
I watched the man reach into his heavy oak chest, fetch a glass and a bottle with a “Captain’s Hooch” label, and stroll back to the table without eyeing me once.
He poured himself a drink, took exactly two sips, and sighed.
“You know, Sylva. Can I let you in on a secret? I hate this place.”
That wasn’t the opener I expected from a captain who had every ability to torture and kill me for a book I didn’t possess.
“Why?” I asked, daring to find my voice.
Smee didn’t look upset at my asking. He just took another drink before answering.
“Too many fucking birds. Everywhere I look, there are crows cawing through the trees, magpies hopping through the grass, and yes, ravens, that perch on every building, like they’re always watching. It leaves me feeling itchy and cramped. This is a big capital city, and I feel like I can’t take three steps without smelling or hearing those goddamn birds. It’s maddening.”
I hadn’t really noticed that until Smee brought it up. But he was right. Whether it was jays, jackdaws, treepies, or nutcrackers, birds seemed to fill every inch of this city, regardless of the elves they flew over.
“The Crocodile Court and Never Court aren’t like this. They’re smaller islands, and most of the birds were hunted to death years ago. You can actually find places of quiet. So you can understand why I’m eager to retrieve my king’s book and be on my way. The weeks I’ve tarried here have been more trying than anything else in my career as a captain, save for killing James and taking the ship, of course.”
Smee turned his head sharply to the right and cracked his neck.
“Yup. That’s the good stuff. Personally, I don’t give a rat’s ass about some old tome, Sylva. When you and Pann broke into the king’s library and smuggled it out, I found it rather amusing. But the Crocodile King, like many fae, is rather possessive of his treasure. So, I was forced to halt my efforts to seize the Never Court, and sent to retrieve the accursed book.”
Gods, this book has inconvenienced more people than I imagined, I thought.
Audibly gulping, I pondered what I would say. Would he believe that I used to be human? Could I tell him the book was in Washington? Would he even know where that was?
“So, let’s have it, then. The Never Prince claims you stole the Book of Tevaedah from him and hid it, a brilliantly executed double-cross, a maneuver of which, I’m a big fan. Now, I could employ all manner of discomfort to make you tell me where it is. Gods know that I broke any number of James’ men, ripping out toenails, pouring liquid fire into their eyes, choking them with their own hair, etc.
“But torture takes time to guarantee results. And I’m nothing, if not, a practical man. Therefore, I propose a simple bargain. Tell me where to retrieve the tome. And when I have it, I’ll dump you onto the docks, sail away, and our paths will likely never cross again. I’ll even pin the entire theft on Pann. How does that sound?”
After how quickly Pann had given me up, that sounded like a pretty good deal. But if I told Smee where to find the book in the human world, would he send men to retrieve it? Sylva probably deserved to deal with that level of bullshit, but Blake certainly didn’t. And I was under no pretenses Smee’s men would make distinctions between ex-fairies and full-time mortals when it came to getting in the way of their job.
Or maybe Smee’s men wouldn’t go to the human world. Could they even return to the mortal world?
I guess that was a risk I’d have to take telling the truth.
“Captain, I’m sorry to tell you this, but I’m not Sylva.”
“Oh?” he asked, neither angry nor amused. He took another drink of his hooch while he waited for me to spin my yarn.
“My name is Anola. I’m a former human that Sylva used the Book of Tevaedah to trade lives with. Two weeks ago, she interrupted my wedding and stole my body, dumping my soul into hers. Shortly after, Sylva tossed me down a hole in a tree, and I fell into Faerie. I assume she’s still living my life back in the mortal world and has the book there. But I can’t be sure as long as I’m here.”
The captain leaned back and stroked his chin.
“That’s an interesting tale, tiny piskie. I hear many stories sailing from port to port under the banner of the Crocodile King. This world is filled with much madness. And for a time, I found it entertaining. But I eventually came to realize madness is only ever really fun for the people on top. It tends to make life more difficult for underlings. That’s why I decided to stop being one.”
“So you believe me?”
Smee shrugged.
“What you say is possible, I suppose. The book is supposed to be an extremely powerful relic made by a witch long since dead. Or, you could be yanking me. Seems the best odds I give it are 50/50, you’re speaking the truth.”
My heart sank. What would he do if he decided I wasn’t telling the truth? Shaking the birdcage and throwing me into the iron bars would be just the start of what this man was capable of.
Perhaps what I found most terrifying about Smee was his brand of evil was quiet and calculating. In the cartoon, his former boss was always portrayed as a loud, irate man who squandered every chance at defeating Pann due to his impetuous nature.
Smee didn’t have that. If he wanted to be cruel, he simply would be. There’d be no need to make a show about it, whether he was hanging a man by his entrails or cutting out tiny pieces of a prisoner’s tongue every day until they broke.
I opened my mouth to speak when my runeeye activated without warning, a loud popping noise filling the birdcage and sending a rattle of glamour that dispersed upon hitting an iron boundary.
Looking at the iron cage around me, I saw natural glamour in the air poisoned by the very presence of this corrosive substance. The bars took on an extra visible layer of cruelty within my runesight, appearing less like wire and more like knotted coal and rust.
Wait a minute, I thought. I’ve seen something like this before.
Smee’s words snapped my attention back to the pirate captain.
“That’s an interesting look. Are those tiny stars in your eye going to help you remember something else about the book’s location?” Smee asked, draining his glass.
Before I could answer, a new vision spread before me, a chalkboard-sized ghostly parchment with scribbles that looked like my handwriting scattered everywhere. Words like “Kilgara” and “Raven Queen” hovered over lines that slowly connected paragraphs and other tiny pieces of information.
I glanced at different pieces and found it hard to process the parchment as a whole. This felt like seeing medieval Jarvis lay out everything I knew about Faerie and my place in it so far.
Tracing lines passed from Kilgara to Raven Queen and then circled the words “boon” and “Queen Bon-Hwa.” Details of bargains and favors I hadn’t considered passed before my eyes.
Other words appeared in my periphery like “war” and “Fist of Kairn.”
Everything intersected closer to the end where “chaos” became the biggest word of all. But it all started with the phrase “iron sickness.”
“That’s a queer look you’re wearing, little elf. Are you looking at something my mortal eyes can’t see?”
He sounded perfectly patient, but under his tone was a hint of malice that promised pain if I didn’t start making more sense soon. Curiosity could easily be replaced with animus.
But amid all the words and information I saw on this. . . let’s call it a specter roadmap, one was noticeably missing. . . Smee.
“You’re not a part of this story,” I said, my mouth feeling like it was on autopilot again, as it had been when I stood before Varella. “At least, not for much longer. You are an insignificant bump on the path to much more grand and troubling issues. Check your place, mortal. For the lakes and seas, you’ve called home, despite being an unwelcome guest, will soon be rid of you. Oh, he who plays at being a pirate captain, you will soon find yourself plucked from Faerie as a splinter from an agitated thumb.”
Coughing and scratching my neck, I looked up to see Smee raising an eyebrow.
“Well, that’s not a language I’ve heard spoken before. Would you care to enlighten me on how a human would speak in a tongue like that?”
Instead of answering, I stared through the polished wood of Smee’s bedroom wall and found a massive concentration of glamour standing on the docks outside. The glamour writhed and twisted about like an impatient serpent.
“Anola? Are you done speaking to me?”
“There’s no need for us to continue talking. Queen Bon-Hwa is here.”
The captain raised his eyebrow.
“And how can you be sure of that?”
Before he could ask a second time, a knock at the door interrupted our conversation. Smee grimaced.
“Come in.”
A shirtless man with skin the color of rice walked in through the door. His brown shorts were tattered, and a large scar ran across his ribs. Curly red hair bounced around him as he walked toward us.
“What is it, Starkey?”
“We found her, sir, exactly where you said. What do you want us to do?”
Smee grinned, and I shivered as that calculating cruelty revealed itself in stronger form. His eyes seemed to grow while the captain pondered his options for whatever it was his crew had found.
“Tied her up below deck. Remember those chains I told you to fetch?”
“Aye, sir. I’ll see it done.”
With that, Starkey turned to leave. Just before he exited the captain’s quarter, he turned back toward us.
“Oh, and sir? The Raven Queen is standing on the docks outside our ship. She hasn’t said anything yet. But I thought you should know.”
Smee glanced back at me before dismissing his crewmember.
He thought for a moment while I dismissed my runeeye. My vision returned to normal, ghostly parchment fading from sight.
“I suppose we should go have a chat with the queen, Anola. Perhaps she’s come to bargain for your life.
Just as carefully as he carried my birdcage in, the captain lifted me from the table and started toward the docks.
***
Outside the air was heavy as a thick layer of fog slowly pedaled into the port. Things grew hazy as I was able to spot the outline of other ships and the buildings of Perth but little else. The lake hid herself and her threats beneath a billowing cloud of ghosts.
Queen Bon-Hwa stood on the dock with her arms crossed, most of her body hidden beneath a soft red cloak. Her crown remained visible despite the fog’s best efforts to hide everything.
Captain Smee walked down a gangplank as the smell of lakewater and damp wood washed over me. He stopped about 15 feet short of the queen.
“Well, your grace, it’s a surprise to see you here outside my humble vessel. Have you come to threaten me or sink my ship?”
Bon-Hwa shook her head.
“I’m not actually here for you, Captain Smee. I merely decided to take a stroll down to the docks to get some fresh air. Sometimes the palace can be a bit stifling. You’re the one who walked out here to greet me, yes? I didn’t summon you.”
Smee grinned at that.
“How’s that stained glass window in your throne room? I was so sad to see such a lovely work of art destroyed.”
Bon-Hwa’s red-painted lips didn’t betray her with a grimace or even a small frown. She remained perfectly still, cloaked with an impartial expression befitting a ruler whose secrets had secrets.
“There’s no need to worry yourself. Our artisans have repaired it and restored the window to its full glory. I sat beneath it just yesterday holding court.”
“So, if you’re not here for me, can I assume this piskie of yours is free to remain in my. . . let’s call it. . . hospitality?”
Bon-Hwa’s eyes glance down toward me. I did not plead for help but instead stood frozen, measuring my breaths so as not to feed the pirates with a display of fear.
“It’s a curious thing. Our royal pet and apprentice arcanist leave the palace without so much as a note. And then one goes missing and the other appears in a birdcage under your very hand.”
Smee shrugged.
“That IS a curious thing,” was all he offered in the way of response.
And before any more vaguely threatening words could be exchanged, a deafening boom rattled the harbor, displacing the stillness of its mist. A second later, a cannonball took out a chunk of the topmast on Smee’s boat. The Jolly Roger appeared to shutter and groan as wood splinters fell over us like rain, and a crew of pirates shouted and dove for cover.
The captain’s previously calm demeanor faded as he turned to examine the damage to his ship. Another cannon fired in the distance, this time taking out a large window in Smee’s quarters.
“What are you doing?!” Smee snapped at the queen, dropping my cage to the dock. I stumbled forward but managed to stop just before iron bars scorched my face.
The queen cocked her head.
“What do you mean? I’m simply out here to get some air.”
“Bullshit. And the cannon fire tearing my ship to pieces?” Smee yelled.
Queen Bon-Hwa merely rubbed her chin.
“That IS a curious thing,” she said.
A third boom in the distance echoed just before a cannonball killed Starkey, taking off most of his upper body and crashing into the railing. That last shot tore a large hole in the ship’s starboard side.
“Captain! It’s the Scoundrel! I see their flag. The Scoundrel is firing upon us,” one of the crewmembers yelled toward Smee.
He hissed and turned to glance into the fog as a smaller vessel came into view only briefly. The captain ran his fingers through his hair and swore. Then he swore again.
But at last, an idea seemed to dawn on him as he turned to Queen Bon-Hwa with a look of fury.
“You have pirates in your port. Why aren’t you attacking them?!”
“I assure you, Captain Smee, if the pirates fire upon any part of my ships, docks, or city, I will unleash my full wrath upon them.”
“We’re registered merchants docked in YOUR port! Your duty as queen compels you to offer us safe harbor and protection to do business so long as we’re anchored here.”
Queen Bon-Hwa seemed to consider this before shrugging.
“You’re right, Captain Smee. I do owe registered merchants docked in my city protection. Of course, vendors docked in Perth are also required to provide detailed cargo manifests, and I couldn’t help but notice you have yet to turn in any paperwork. As such, before you are issued merchant protections, I’ll need to board and inspect your ship to make sure you’re not carrying contraband. Will you surrender to my inspection?”
I couldn’t help but grin and admire the woman who’d defeated a pirate in her port simply with words. And, perhaps, a shady message to some other pirates who owed her a favor. I watched Smee clench his fists and grind his boots into the wood below. Sweat broke out over his face as more cannon fire pelted his ship.
“Captain! What are your orders?!” a panicked crew member called out.
Smee swore again and stomped his foot.
“Fine. It’s not like I’m leaving empty-handed. I will be departing at once, Queen Bon-Hwa. Thanks for your hospitality,” he said, turning to walk up the gangplank and mercifully forgetting all about my birdcage.
“The pleasure is all mine. Safe sailing and smooth seas, captain,” Bon-Hwa said.
The captain barked orders at his men who flew about the deck in a fury of activity.
“Take us out, Damien! We’ll lose Captain Selena Karmen in the fog. Bank hard to the south. With enough distance, even her felinae huntress won’t be able to hit us.”
I watched with Queen Bon-Hwa as the Jolly Roger took on more fire, returned a few shots that all vanished in the mist, and then faded from our site, just like the Scoundrel, which was, theoretically giving chase. Or maybe it was anchored just offshore. I couldn’t tell in all this fog.
Bon-Hwa fished a brass letter opener from under her cloak and unlatched the door to my birdcage with it. I exited the accursed cage and flew up to her shoulder, taking care not to step on her silky black hair or the red ribbons trailing out from her hair.
“Are you hurt, apprentice arcanist?”
I shook my head.
“Not really. I burned my hands. They’re throbbing a little, but Smee was surprisingly delicate with me.”
Bon-Hwa looked me over closely and said, “He was a decent opponent for a mortal. We’ll have a healer take a look at your hands when we return to Featherstone.”
I nodded.
“Thank you, your grace. The, um, pirates who fired upon Smee? Were those the Scoundrels you asked my teacher to summon?”
She nodded as we turned back toward the palace.
“They are pirates who prey upon other pirates. Their captain also owed me a favor.”
I nodded and found myself gazing at Bon-Hwa with renewed respect and maybe a little awe. Whether she said so or not, I wholeheartedly believe she came out here to guarantee my safe return. At least in part.
She happened to glance over at me.
“Something on your mind?”
I shook my head, not wanting to sound like an idiot.
The queen let out a small grin, and we returned to the palace where I was promptly tackled, hugged, kissed, and scolded by Barsilla.
With the queen otherwise occupied, Barsilla and I flew back to her room where she proceeded to pin me against a wall.
“What is it with you?! The dire crocs weren’t enough of a heart attack for me? You gotta get captured by pirates too?” she yelled.
Her eyes blazed something fierce, but I could tell it was to cover her overwhelming joy that I’d returned safely.
“I had Sierra with me,” I offered, fighting a smile.
“A roasted potato would have been more reassuring company!” Barsilla yelled, tightening her grip on me.
“I’m sorry. I just wanted to help find Pann. Obviously, everything went to shit, but I made it back safe and sound.”
Barsilla jabbed a finger in my face.
“If you EVER do anything stupid like that again, I will have you leashed at my side at all hours of the day.”
When she was finished yelling at me, Figaro took a turn growling and stamping her paw into the ground for several seconds, unloading her frustrations with my lack of planning. It was kind of adorable until she used that paw to pin me to the ground and huff for several minutes.
I sighed. But then I remembered something important and turned to Barsilla once I was allowed to stand again.
“I need you to take me to Featherbrooke,” I said.
***
Flying before Varella, I couldn’t help but realize this entire mess in Faerie began with her attempting to kill me, believing I was a spy. And now, here I was, about to ask if she trusted me for something that might very well get me killed.
Staring at the bedridden queen with my runeeye, I found it easily once more. The speck in her neck.
“I see you’ve regained the use of your wings, little piskie. And I’ve been informed you are now an apprentice arcanist. It seems good fortune has found you at last,” Varella said.
I didn’t want to do this. If she didn’t kill me, it was still going to be gross.
“Your grace. I’ve also gained some use and control over my runeeye. And it has revealed to me what’s blocking your queensglamour from returning.”
Varella fell silent. She turned to everyone in the room and said, “Leave us, please.”
Vyzella, Kit, and Barsilla all did as she requested and shut the door.
“You’re speaking much more boldly than the last time you stood before me,” Varella said. “What’s your theory on while I remain so weak? I’m interested to hear your diagnosis.”
The queen spoke like she didn’t believe me at all. And I frowned, wondering if doing this was entirely necessary. Bon-Hwa seemed to be handling the throne better than I imagined Varella ever could. If it were up to me, I’d leave her in charge.
I sighed. Recalling the parchment I saw in my runeeye and how important the words “Kilgara” and “iron sickness” were. In the coming war amid a destabilized Faerie, Varella’s strength would be needed to preserve this court.
“Do you trust me?” I asked, pulling out a dagger Barsilla had hesitantly given me upon request.
Varella’s grin grew sinister and downright horrifying, her eyes enveloping the very tone a dark queen of Faerie should carry. She sat in her bed, not moving an inch.
“This just got interesting. Do I trust you? Not particularly. But it seems you’re set on a particular course of action. So I’ll give you 30 seconds to do whatever you’re thinking. And after that, if I don’t like your choices, I’ll kill you once and for all. How does that sound?”
Trying not to let my heart rattle so loud that Varella would hear, I simply sighed again and nodded.
“Go ahead, little piskie.”
I flew over to her and landed on the bedridden queen’s collarbone. Steadying myself on her neck, I heard a low laugh escape her lips.
Running my fingers over the tiny piece of iron embedded in Varella’s neck, I flinched. This was going to suck.
Best get it over with, I thought, tightening my grip on the borrowed blade.
I did my best to make a narrow cut in Varella’s neck, and she didn’t flinch or hiss in pain. Nor did she swat me. How many seconds did I have left? Too few to waste on counting.
Gingerly reaching my fingers into the wound and trying not to barf as my stomach did exactly 12 flips, I sucked in a quick breath and braced myself for pain. Blood ran down the queen’s skin and onto my sandals and dress. Still, she did not flinch.
I knew exactly when the fingers on my right hand made contact with the speck of iron. Searing pain raced up and down my fingers. It felt like I’d reached into a grill at a cookout and grabbed one of the hot coals. Only now instead of burgers cooking, it was the palm of my hand.
The blood started to sizzle along with me as I braced my feet against the base of Varella’s neck. And for the first time, she gasped and grimaced.
Not wanting to budge, the iron speck seemed to be actively resisting my pull, and the Raven Queen was starting to sweat as she clenched her fists against the comforter.
Gritting my teeth and grabbing the speck even tighter, I screamed as molten magma threatened to melt through my palm and start roasting each bone in my fingers.
“Get out, you fucking rock!” I yelled, grabbing my torched wrist and pulling with all of my might.
With the sickening pop of a cyst bursting, I yanked the iron pebble free. It was a tiny thing, fitting into even my closed fist. But the pain was too much, and as I fell backward, I lost my grip on the spec. It landed on the floor and clattered over against the wall.
By this time, the door burst open, and in walked Vyzella with wide eyes. I only caught a glimpse as I fell headfirst onto the bed, my hand still smoking.
When I finally righted myself, I noticed my right hand was charred gray.
If there’s one thing I miss about being human, I thought, hissing in pain.
Glancing up at Varella with runeeye, I saw her queensglamour roar back all at once. Her eyes turned solid violet, and the queen’s back straightened.
A wicked grin broke out across her face as she took a deep breath and muttered, “Yes. . . yes! That’s it!”
With little warning, she suddenly stood, and I watched a tidal wave of violet glamour surge through her body like a shower that finally has a full hot water tank to draw from.
The Raven Queen’s eyes finally returned to normal as Vyzella said, “It looks like you’re back in business, as the mortals would say.”
She stretched while Vyzella went and fetched a bandage for her neck and tweezers to grab the speck of iron.
Afterward, Varella picked me up and held me near her face.
“Well done, Anola. It seems you’ve surprised me, after all. With my full strength returning, I can finally return to Featherstone.”
“Happy to have been of service,” I said, still wincing as I held my hand.
“I’m inclined to grant you a boon for your service here today. What favor would you ask of a fae queen?”
I wanted to say lots of things. A fucking soaking tub for my hand. An apology for nearly killing me. An enchanted waffle cone that never ran out of strawberry ice cream. But as that ghostly parchment came to mind, and I thought back on the big picture my runeeye had been slowly revealing to me since my conversation with Captain Smee.
Rolling the dice, I stared at the queen’s now-patient eyes and said, “What I want is for you to make Bon-Hwa queen all the time, not just when you’re incapacitated or away.”
Vyzella audibly gasped, as did Barsilla who just flew into the room. Kit started laughing, and the cat’s chuckle filled the bedroom.
But Varella merely narrowed her eyes.
“I offer you a rare queen’s boon, and you want to use it for someone else? You understand this favor could be used to make you big again, right?”
I looked over at Barsilla with a growing smile and said, “No thanks. It’d be really hard to kiss my girlfriend if I was big again. I chose a life here with Barsilla, the life of a piskie.”
For the first time, I watched the librarian fae tear up and drop her clipboard and pencil. She covered her mouth with her hands and stifled a sob.
Varella raised an eyebrow.
“Even still. Why use your boon to benefit the second-most powerful fae in my court?”
Turning to the Raven Queen, I shrugged.
“I wasn’t aware using a boon required an explanation,” I said. “My reasons are my own, your grace.”
Slowly nodding, Varella turned back to her left-hand lady.
“Barsilla, take a note when you’re able. I want you to deliver an official decree to Bon-Hwa. She will no longer be known as queen-in-command. Henceforth, she’ll simply operate with the title of queen. She will continue to oversee the day-to-day queen’s business, and her authority will have no limits inside the Raven Court unless it directly conflicts with a decree from myself.”
She turned to me again.
“Consider your boon spent. I hope it was worth it, apprentice arcanist.”
I slightly bowed my head.
At that point, Varella looked around the room and realized someone important was missing. She frowned.
“Where is my pet?”
I flinched, images of Sierra being shot and falling through a window suddenly coming back to my mind.
“Oh shit,” I gasped.
“Anola?” Varella asked, looking closer at me.
“Last I saw her, your grace, Sierra was shot with a mortal gun and a silver ball. Smee shot her, and then she fell backward through a window. I haven’t seen her since,” I said.
Rage filled the Raven Queen’s face, and I felt the wind start to pick up outside as the cabin shook.
“Barsilla, we’re returning to Featherstone at once. I want feathers and talons dispatched to search all of Perth. Nobody rests until my pet is found and returned to me.”
A new voice at the door caused us all to turn. We found Bon-Hwa leaning against the doorframe with a scowl on her face.
“I’ve just heard back from Ceras, my queen. There’s no sign of Sierra anywhere. We found a puddle of blood in the middle of some broken glass, but the werewolf hasn’t yet turned up.”
The Raven Queen clenched her fists and ground her teeth.
“Where is Lily? I demand to speak with my wing at once.”
I landed on the bed and stood next to Barsilla, hoping to stay out of the queen’s line of sight. She was practically seething, and my heart was hammering watching her returning glamour storm and rage.
“The spymaster was last seen boarding a boat in the harbor and heading toward the Scoundrel anchored out a way. I think we can conclude she’s already on Sierra’s trail and will find her.”
Varella took a step toward the door and said, “I’m going after them.”
But Vyzella caught her hand.
“Var, listen to me. I know you’ve gotten some strength back for the first time in weeks, and you feel like a wrathful storm once more. But consider your subjects. If they see you reappear for the first time since news of Kilgara arrived, and you’re immediately flying off, it’ll send ripples of doubt and fear through your queendom.”
I watched the Raven Queen stifle a snarl.
“What would you have me do while my pet is wounded and away?”
Bon-Hwa spoke directly enough that I flinched.
“Trust that your spymaster will find and retrieve her. Return to the palace, clean up, and sit the throne for court tomorrow. Reinstate the confidence of your nobles who will then reinstate the confidence of your citizens. News from Faerie is grim right now. Courts are failing with many dissolving into civil wars and rebellions, exactly as the Fist of Kairn wanted. You want to make sure that doesn’t happen here? Announce to everyone you’re alive and ready to defend the Raven Court.”
Taking several deep breaths, I watched the Raven Queen wipe her forehead. She gritted her teeth more but eventually released her fists.
The queen had at last regained her strength, only to now lose her heart. And I watched her warring between telling Bon-Hwa to fuck off while she raced after her pet and understanding her responsibilities as queen.
Varella looked to the floor, and I only heard her mutter a single word.
“. . . Sierra.”
Epilogue
(Sierra)
Everything on my left side hurt, my arms as well. Burning like I hadn’t felt since I grabbed Kit’s wine bowl and scorched the shit out of my fingers. Outside wherever I saw, I heard a deep rumble of thunder. And the floor swayed left and then right.
Of course, I couldn’t move much for some reason.
Whimpering and managing to open a single eye, I detected a single dim torch swaying from the ceiling. The smell of moldy bread and squishy potatoes filled the air around me as I fought not to hurl.
“I think she’s waking up. Go get the captain,” a man said.
I must have passed out for another few minutes before waking up again, realizing that the burning sensation on my arms wasn’t going away. I tried to move and found myself secured in place against a large wooden beam of some kind.
A thin smoke made the room extra hazy. The smoke came from my smoldering flesh, courtesy of silver chains wrapped tight around me.
“Fuck,” I coughed, a bit of blood and drool dripping down my chin.
I’d have scars just above my elbows for the rest of my life. My collar, where I’d been shot, remained open and quite tender. How had it not healed?
Right. . . silver ball in the pistol, I thought. Fucking pirates.
A man’s voice spoke and drew my attention toward him.
“There she is. I was worried you weren’t going to wake up. After two days of sailing, I figured you’d ask for water or food. But you’ve just been down here festering exactly where I left you,” Smee said. “You’re my consolation prize from the Raven Court. And I can only imagine what that bitch queen will offer to get you back. I’m sure the Crocodile King will get something nice.”
Rage coursed through me, and I struggled against the chains.
“You will address her as the Raven Queen,” I growled, eyes snapping open. I ignored the burning in my arms as the three or four pirates in the room laughed at me.
“Calm down. You’re not going anywhere. Those chains are solid silver. We know how to deal with werewolves,” one of the pirates said.
Smee grinned.
“Truly not a bad consolation prize,” he mumbled.
I grimaced and took in a shallow breath. Anger brought me back to the waking world, and I was ready to kill. I’d been shot, hogtied, and had to listen to these shitheads insult my queen. Enough was enough.
A thought occurred to me as I pulled against the chains again. And I started to laugh, manically. The pirates laughed with me. And Smee, the only one who appeared to have any sense, asked, “What’s so funny?”
“Well, you’ve bound me with silver chains, right?”
“Correct. That sizzling of your flesh should make that pretty obvious. I guess there’s no intelligence requirement to be a royal pet,” he said, putting his hands on his hips.
“But no iron chains?”
He narrowed his eyes and slowly shook his head.
“And how many men do you have on this ship?”
“Nine,” he answered, scowling. “Why? Are you thinking about trying to attack us?”
I shook my head.
“Good. Because I’ve got enough to deal with right now. Fucking giant storm outside for starters. The waters leaving the lake you call home and entering the faesea can get pretty choppy sometimes.”
I laughed again.
“Relax, captain. I’m not thinking about trying to attack you. I already made up my mind to slaughter you all. I just needed to know how much help to call.”
And as Smee flinched, I pulled deep on the chunk of queensglamour embedded in my wolfheart as I had while defending Featherstone. Primal rage quaked through me as I threw back my head and let forth an ear-piercing howl in the storage room I’d been imprisoned within.
From the shadows of the room created by the swaying lantern, violet-eyed beasts took form. Rustling dark feathers betrayed their location as a dozen wolves growled in unison.
“What in the name of hell are those?!” one of the pirates shrieked.
“I call them my Black Feather Pack. Kill them all!” I barked as the wolves made of nothing but shadow and obsidian feathers rushed from all corners of the room and tore the pirates into pieces. Smee screamed until one crushed his throat, and I gave a feral cackle watching him bleed to death on the floor.
Over the next few minutes, my wolves freed me, and we worked our way through the ship, killing every person in sight.
The ship swayed violently to the left as another large clap of thunder rocked the boat.
“Fuck, that’s loud,” I muttered, finding my way to the deck.
Rain pelted my face, and the wind whipped my tattered clothing that had gone crusty with my blood over the course of two days.
In the distance, I spotted a massive wave rising in front of the ship. It swallowed my vision as my heart sank, and I looked around for any sign of land. Finding none and hearing the deafening roar of the approaching wave, I thought of a George Clooney film, but the title eluded me.
Looking desperately for the helm, I ran toward the tiller, only to find a single bloody hand remaining attached to the chipped, worn wheel.
“In hindsight, I really should have spared at least one of the pirates to steer the ship,” I muttered.
My black feather pack sat around me, waiting for another command.
“I don’t suppose one of you knows how to steer a ship or navigate, do you?” I asked as the wolves cocked their heads to the side and whinged.
I slowly nodded as that giant wave came crashing down upon the ship.
“Well, fuck.”
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Editor's note: This concludes A Bargain for Wings. Please stay tuned for news about book #4 in this series and my next book, a dark dragon romance, in the coming days.
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2024.04.06 23:26 SanderSo47 Directors at the Box Office: Terrence Malick

Directors at the Box Office: Terrence Malick
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Here's a new edition of "Directors at the Box Office", which seeks to explore the directors' trajectory at the box office and analyze their hits and bombs. I already talked about a few, and as I promised, it's Terrence Malick's turn.
Malick's younger years faced tragedy, as his younger brother died as he faced pressure over his musical studies. Malick graduated from Harvard College in 1965 with a Bachelor of Arts, summa cum laude. He then studied philosophy at Oxford. After a disagreement with his advisor, Gilbert Ryle, over Malick's thesis on the concept of world in Kierkegaard, Heidegger, and Wittgenstein, Malick left Oxford without a degree. One of his most notable achievements was translating Heidegger's The Essence of Reasons into English. After returning to the United States, Malick taught philosophy at MIT while freelancing as a journalist. He subsequently earned an MFA from the brand-new AFI Conservatory in 1969, and he got contacts in the industry to start working as an uncredited writer. After one of his screenplays, Deadhead Miles, was made into what Paramount Pictures believed was an unreleasable film, Malick decided to direct his own scripts.
From a box office perspective, how reliable was he to deliver a box office hit?
That's the point of this post. To analyze his career.

It should be noted that as he started his career in the 1970s, some of the domestic grosses here will be adjusted by inflation. The table with his highest grossing films, however, will be left in its unadjusted form, as the worldwide grosses are more difficult to adjust.

Badlands (1973)

"In 1959, a lot of people were killing time. Kit and Holly were killing people."
His directorial debut. It stars Martin Sheen, Sissy Spacek, Ramon Bieri and Warren Oates. Loosely based on the real-life murder spree of Charles Starkweather and his girlfriend Caril Ann Fugate in 1958, the film follows Holly Sargis, a 15-year old who goes on a killing spree with her partner, Kit Carruthers.
In 1970, Malick started writing the script while on a road trip. Malick paid $25,000 of his own funds, while the remainder of his share was raised from professionals such as doctors and dentists. Sissy Spacek was chosen, despite being unknown and only appearing in one film, as Malick found her small-town Texas roots and accent were perfect for the part of the naive impressionable high school girl. In fact, he allowed her to help in the creative progress and accomodated the script based on her experiences. When Martin Sheen was suggested by the casting director, Malick was hesitant, thinking he was too old for the role. Spacek wrote in her autobiography that "the chemistry was immediate. He was Kit. And with him, I was Holly."
The film carried a low $300,000 budget and most of the crew was non-union. The film had a somewhat troubled production history: several members of the crew clashed with Malick, and another was severely injured when an explosion occurred while filming the fire scene. Jack Fisk served as art director for the film in his first of several collaborations with Malick. During production, Spacek and Fisk fell in love and got married one year after the year came out.
There are no available numbers for the film's original release. The only numbers we've got is a $54,396 run it had on the UK and New Zealand 15 years ago. The film received acclaim, particularly for its cinematography, soundtrack and acting, and has been named as one of the greatest films of the 1970s. It successfully launched the careers of Malick, Sheen and Spacek.
  • Budget: N/A.
  • Domestic gross: $0.
  • Worldwide gross: $54,396.

Days of Heaven (1978)

"You've got to go through Hell before you get to Heaven."
His second film. It stars Richard Gere, Brooke Adams, Sam Shepard and Linda Manz. Set in 1916, it tells the story of Bill and Abby, lovers who travel to the Texas Panhandle to harvest crops for a wealthy farmer. Bill persuades Abby to claim the fortune of the dying farmer by tricking him into a false marriage.
While on a trip to Cuba with producer Ben Schneider, Malick started working on the film. Malick had tried and failed to get Dustin Hoffman or Al Pacino to star in the film, and John Travolta auditioned for and won the lead role of Bill, but ABC-TV wouldn't let him out of his contract for his series Welcome Back Kotter. Impressed by The Wild Child, Malick asked Néstor Almendros to become the film's cinematographer, winning him over with his knowledge and willingness to use little studio lighting. They drew inspiration from painters such as Johannes Vermeer, Edward Hopper, and Andrew Wyeth, as well as photo-reporters from the start of the 20th century.
According to Almendros, the production was not "rigidly prepared", allowing for improvisation. Daily call sheets could have been more detailed, and the schedule changed to suit the weather. This upset some Hollywood crew members not used to working this way. Most crew members were used to a "glossy style of photography" and felt frustrated because Almendros did not give them much work. Daily, he asked them to turn off the lights they had prepared for him. Some crew members said that Almendros and Malick did not know what they were doing. The tension led to some of the crew quitting the production. Malick supported what Almendros was doing and pushed the film's look further, removing more lighting aids and leaving the image bare.
While the photography yielded the director satisfactory results, the rest of the production was difficult. The actors and crew reportedly viewed Malick as cold and distant. After two weeks of shooting, Malick was so disappointed with the dailies, he "decided to toss the script, go Leo Tolstoy instead of Fyodor Dostoyevsky, wide instead of deep [and] shoot miles of film with the hope of solving the problems in the editing room." Post-production took 2 years, as Malick had a difficult time shaping the film and getting the pieces to go together. He experimented with voice-overs from Linda Manz's character, scrapped much of the film's dialogue, replacing it with Manz's voice-over, which served as an oblique commentary on the story.
Schneider was disappointed with Malick. He had confronted Malick numerous times about missed deadlines and broken promises. Due to further cost overruns, he had to ask Paramount for more money, which he preferred not to do. When they screened a demo for Paramount and made their pitch, the studio was impressed and reportedly "gave Malick a very sweet deal at the studio, carte blanche, essentially".
Despite a heavy push from Paramount, the film was a box office bomb, earning just $3.4 million in its run. The film also received a polarizing response; while the cinematography was praised, the storyline and structure were points of criticism. But time was kind to the film, eventually being acknowleged as one of the best films of the 1970s. Despite losing money, Charles Bluhdorn (who ran Paramount's parent company Gulf + Western), loved it so much he offered Malick $1 million for his next project, whatever it was.
Malick began developing a project for Paramount named Q, that explored the origins of life on earth. During pre-production, he suddenly moved to Paris and disappeared from public view for years.
  • Budget: $3,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $3,446,749. ($16.4 million adjusted)
  • Worldwide gross: $3,485,264.

The Thin Red Line (1998)

"Every man fights his own war."
His third film. Based on the novel by James Jones, it stars Jim Caviezel, Sean Penn, Adrien Brody, Ben Chaplin, George Clooney, John Cusack, Woody Harrelson, Elias Koteas, Jared Leto, Dash Mihok, Tim Blake Nelson, Nick Nolte, John C. Reilly, Larry Romano, John Savage and John Travolta. It tells a fictionalized version of the Battle of Mount Austen, which was part of the Guadalcanal Campaign in the Pacific Theater of the Second World War, and portrays U.S. soldiers of C Company, 1st Battalion, 27th Infantry Regiment, 25th Infantry Division.
In 1978, Malick was approached by producer Bobby Geisler, and both exchanged different ideas for films that never materialized. Ten years later, Geisler visited him in Paris, and Malick was interested in adapting either Molière's Tartuffe or James Jones' The Thin Red Line. The following year, Malick wrote a 300-page script. As he slowly worked on the film, the producers earned his trust by providing him with reliable sources, paying his travel plans and getting him a mortgage in Paris. By 1995, Sony was involved, but new studio chairman John Calley did not think Malick could make his movie with the proposed $52 million budget. 20th Century Fox picked up the project, with the condition that Malick cast five known stars.
In 1995, once word went out that Malick was making another movie after many years, numerous actors approached him, flooding the casting directors until they had to announce they wouldn't be accepting more requests. Sean Penn told Malick that he would appear for just one dollar. Brad Pitt, Al Pacino, Gary Oldman, and George Clooney offered to work for a fraction and some even offered to work for free. Bruce Willis even went as far as offering to pay for first-class tickets for the casting crew, to get a few lines for the movie. Before the casting was finalized, Nicolas Cage had lunch with Malick in Hollywood in February 1996. Malick went off to scout locations and tried calling Cage that summer only to find out that his phone number had been disconnected. Tom Sizemore, however, was offered a more substantial role in Saving Private Ryan and, when he could not contact Malick for several days, decided to do Spielberg's film instead. Edward Norton flew out to Austin and met Malick, who had been impressed by the actor's screen test for Primal Fear. Matthew McConaughey reportedly took a day off filming A Time to Kill to see Malick. Others followed, including William Baldwin, Edward Burns, Josh Hartnett, Crispin Glover, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Stephen Dorff, and Leonardo DiCaprio.
Malick's unconventional filming techniques included shooting part of a scene during a bright, sunny morning only to finish it weeks later at sunset. He made a habit of pointing the camera away during an action sequence and focus on a parrot, a tree branch or other fauna. Malick's reputation and working methods commanded great respect among the actors, with both Woody Harrelson and John Savage staying on for an extra month after they finished all of their scenes just to watch him at work.
Despite a big cast, some names were left out. Bill Pullman, Lukas Haas and Mickey Rourke performed but their scenes were eventually cut, while Billy Bob Thornton recorded narration that was scrapped. Editor Leslie Jones was on location for 5 months and rarely saw Malick, who left her to her own devices. After principal photography wrapped, she came back with a five-hour first cut and spent 7 months editing, with Thornton contributing 3 hours of narrative voice-over material. It was at this point that editor Billy Weber joined and they spent 13 months in post-production and the last 4 months mixing the film, using four Avid machines with a fifth added at one point. Malick edited the footage one reel at a time with the sound off while listening to a Green Day CD.
The editing resulted in many of the well-known cast members being on screen for only a brief period. John Travolta and George Clooney's appearances are little more than cameos, yet Clooney's name appears prominently in the marketing of the movie. The unfinished film was screened for the New York press in December 1998 and Adrien Brody attended a screening to find that his originally significant role, "to carry the movie", as he put it, had been reduced to two lines and approximately five minutes of screen time, while Malick changed the lead role to Caviezel. Brody actually shared his frustration:
"I was so focused and professional, I gave everything to it, and then to not receive everything... in terms of witnessing my own work. It was extremely unpleasant because I’d already begun the press for a film that I wasn’t really in. Terry obviously changed the entire concept of the film. I had never experienced anything like that. You know the expression ‘Don’t believe the hype’? Well, you shouldn’t."
The film started on limited release before expanding. The film failed to double its budget, although it earned almost $100 million worldwide. The film received critical acclaim, particularly for its philosophical depiction of war, Malick's direction, musical score, cinematography, screenplay, editing, and performances. It received 7 Oscar nominations, including Best Picture, with Malick nominated for Best Director and Best Adapted Screenplay. Malick rested for 20 years and then came back with a banger.
  • Budget: $52,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $36,400,491. ($69.3 million adjusted)
  • Worldwide gross: $98,126,565.

The New World (2005)

"Once discovered, it was changed forever."
His fourth film. It stars Colin Farrell, Q'orianka Kilcher, Christopher Plummer, Christian Bale, August Schellenberg, Wes Studi, David Thewlis, Yorick van Wageningen and John Savage. It depicts the founding of the Jamestown, Virginia, settlement and inspired by the historical figures Captain John Smith, Pocahontas of the Powhatan tribe, and Englishman John Rolfe.
After The Thin Red Line, Malick worked on a film about Che Guevara and his failed revolution in Bolivia. When financing had yet to come through, Malick was offered the chance to direct The New World (a project he worked on since the 1970s) and left the Guevara project in March 2004. Christopher Plummer, while respectful of Malick, found the experience very frustrating. He told Malick "to get a writer" and complained about a scene where "this very emotional scene that I had suddenly was background noise." He said he would never work with Malick ever again, also telling him "you are so boring. You get in these ruts. You’ve got to get yourself a writer."
The film received mixed reviews from critics, who disliked its unfocused narrative and runtime. The audience hated it even more, and the film bombed with just $49 million worldwide. Nevertheless, Emmanuel Lubezki received an Oscar nomination for its cinematography. In the years since, it has been re-appraised.
  • Budget: $30,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $12,712,093. ($20.1 million adjusted)
  • Worldwide gross: $49,334,775.

The Tree of Life (2011)

"Nothing stands still."
His fifth film. The film stars Brad Pitt, Sean Penn, Jessica Chastain and Tye Sheridan. It follows the impressionistic story of a Texas family in the 1950s. The film follows the life journey of the eldest son, Jack, through the innocence of childhood to his disillusioned adult years as he tries to reconcile a complicated relationship with his father. Jack finds himself a lost soul in the modern world, seeking answers to the origins and meaning of life while questioning the existence of faith.
After Days of Heaven, Malick started working on Q, a film about the origin of life. Malick had an idea for a film that would be "a history of the cosmos up through the formation of the Earth and the beginnings of life." It would include elements such as a section set in the Middle East during World War I, and an underwater minotaur dreaming about the evolution of the universe. One day, Malick "just stopped" working on the film and left for Paris.
Decades later, Malick got help from a producer to get the project made. Brad Pitt got involved through his company, Plan B, and was eventually cast as the lead. At one point, Colin Farrell and Mel Gibson were attached. Heath Ledger was set to play the role of Mr. O'Brien, but dropped out (due to recurring sicknesses) a month before his death in early 2008. Sean Penn was proud of the film, although he said, "The screenplay is the most magnificent one that I've ever read but I couldn't find that same emotion on screen... A clearer and more conventional narrative would have helped the film without, in my opinion, lessening its beauty and its impact."
Malick disliked the look of computer-generated imagery. So, after nearly 30 years away from Hollywood, famed special effects supervisor Douglas Trumbull (2001: A Space Odyssey) contributed to the visual effects work on the film. Trumbull asked Malick, "Why not do it the old way? The way we did it in 2001?" Working with visual effects supervisor Dan Glass, Trumbull used a variety of materials for the creation of the universe sequence. "We worked with chemicals, paint, fluorescent dyes, smoke, liquids, CO2, flares, spin dishes, fluid dynamics, lighting and high speed photography to see how effective they might be."
Originally scheduled for 2009, the film was delayed until 2011 due to Malick still working on post-production. The film premiered at the Cannes Film Festival, where it garnered a polarizing response; it was met with both boos and applause. In a surprising move, it won the Palme d'Or. At the box office, the film earned $61 million worldwide, almost doubling its budget. Even with the polarizing response, it was still received with thunderous acclaim, with some proclaiming it as Malick's magnum opus as well as one of the greatest films of the century. Malick once again received an Oscar nomination for Best Director, while the film was also nominated for Best Picture.
  • Budget: $32,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $13,305,665. ($18.3 million adjusted)
  • Worldwide gross: $61,721,826.

To the Wonder (2013)

His sixth film. It stars Ben Affleck, Olga Kurylenko, Rachel McAdams, and Javier Bardem. The film chronicles a couple who, after falling in love in Paris, struggle to keep their relationship from falling apart after moving to the United States.
Malick and his crew adopted an experimental approach. Actors described working without a screenplay or the use of lights. Likewise, cinematographer on the film, Emmanuel Lubezki, was given instructions to be “in the eye of the hurricane” — in the middle of a scene, constantly interacting with the characters. Lubezki called the film "abstract", and described it as being less tied to theatrical conventions and more purely cinematic than any prior film directed by Malick. Jessica Chastain, Rachel Weisz, Amanda Peet, Barry Pepper and Michael Sheen were originally part of the film, but no footage of their performances was kept for the final cut.
The film only received a limited release, earning less than $3 million. It also received mixed reviews, as many found its narrative emotionally unsatisfying. Interestingly, this was the last film reviewed by Roger Ebert. He gave it a 3.5/4 and wrote:
"A more conventional film would have assigned a plot to these characters and made their motivations more clear. Malick, who is surely one of the most romantic and spiritual of filmmakers, appears almost naked here before his audience, a man not able to conceal the depth of his vision."
  • Budget: $0.
  • Domestic gross: $587,615. ($782,771 adjusted)
  • Worldwide gross: $2,801,166.

Knight of Cups (2016)

"A quest."
His seventh film. The film stars Christian Bale, Cate Blanchett, Natalie Portman, Brian Dennehy, Antonio Banderas, Wes Bentley, Isabel Lucas, Teresa Palmer, Imogen Poots, Armin Mueller-Stahl, Freida Pinto, Cherry Jones, Nick Offerman, Clifton Collins Jr., Dane DeHaan, Thomas Lennon, Joel Kinnaman, Jason Clarke, Shea Whigham, Ryan O'Neal, Joe Manganiello, Kevin Corrigan, Fabio, Joe Lo Truglio, Beau Garrett and Nick Kroll. The film follows screenwriter Rick on an odyssey through Los Angeles and Las Vegas as he undertakes a series of adventures with colorful figures, identified by seven tarot cards from the Major Arcana, with Rick as the Knight of Cups.
Although a script was written, Bale received no pages from it, while all other cast members received only pages of internal and verbal monologue for each shooting day. Bale later said that while filming, he was unclear about what the final film would actually be. During production, Malick used a process he calls "torpedoing", where a character is thrown into a scene without the other actors' advance knowledge, forcing them to improvise. In addition to a traditional studio, the cast also recorded their voice-over work in nontraditional places, such as in a van or by the side of the road.
The film received mixed reviews, particularly for its story. The film was another bomb for Malick, barely making it past $1 million.
  • Budget: N/A.
  • Domestic gross: $566,006. ($731,838 adjusted)
  • Worldwide gross: $1,026,288.

Voyage of Time (2016)

"Life's journey."
His eighth film. A documentary narrated by Brad Pitt and Cate Blanchett, the film is an examination of the birth and death of the known universe.
Malick worked on the film since the 1970s, and some ideas from Q are part of the film. It was released in two versions: a forty-minute IMAX version with narration by Brad Pitt, and a 35-millimetre feature-length edition narrated by Cate Blanchett.
Even with the backing of IMAX, the film didn't even make $400,000 at the box office. The IMAX version was met with positive reviews, but the feature-length edition received a more mixed response.
  • Budget: $12,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $55,409. ($71,643 adjusted)
  • Worldwide gross: $337,038.

Song to Song (2017)

"Love. Obsession. Betrayal."
His ninth film. It stars Ryan Gosling, Rooney Mara, Michael Fassbender, Natalie Portman, and Cate Blanchett. Set in Austin, Texas, two entangled couples — struggling songwriters Faye and BV, and music mogul Cook and the waitress whom he ensnares — chase success through a rock ’n’ roll landscape of seduction and betrayal.
It fared similar reviews to his past films; great performances caught in an unsatisfying narrative. Once again, another box office dud.
  • Budget: N/A.
  • Domestic gross: $443,684. ($561,711 adjusted)
  • Worldwide gross: $1,813,453.

A Hidden Life (2019)

"Based on true events."
His 10th film. It stars August Diehl, Valerie Pachner, Matthias Schoenaerts, Michael Nyqvist and Bruno Ganz. The film depicts the life of Franz Jägerstätter, an Austrian farmer and devout Catholic who refused to fight for the Nazis in World War II.
Malick said the film would have a more structured narrative than his previous works, "Lately — I keep insisting, only very lately — have I been working without a script and I've lately repented the idea. The last picture we shot, and we're now cutting, went back to a script that was very well ordered." This makes it his first linear, plot-driven film since The New World. It was filmed in 2016, but it spent three years on post-production.
Surprise surprise, it was another box office bomb for Malick. But it received his best reviews in almost a decade, and was deemed a return to form for Malick after a slate of weak films.
  • Budget: $7,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $1,730,597. ($2.1 million adjusted)
  • Worldwide gross: $4,622,354.

Other Projects

As mentioned, he started as an uncredited writer in the industry. One of those films was Dirty Harry, in which Malick wrote an early draft.
He was originally slated to direct a Che Guevara biopic, but abandoned the film when financing fell through. Steven Soderbergh would later direct from this script, and Malick is credited as a writer on the film.

The Future

Malick's next film is The Way of the Wind, which chronicles many chapters in the life of Jesus of Nazareth. It stars Géza Röhrig, Matthias Schoenaerts, Mark Rylance, Tawfeek Barhom, Aidan Turner, Ben Kingsley, Joseph Fiennes, and Douglas Booth. Filming occurred in 2019, but five years later, there are no updates on the film.

MOVIES (FROM HIGHEST GROSSING TO LEAST GROSSING)

No. Movie Year Studio Domestic Total Overseas Total Worldwide Total Budget
1 The Thin Red Line 1998 20th Century Fox $36,400,491 $61,726,074 $98,126,565 $52M
2 The Tree of Life 2011 Searchlight $13,305,665 $48,416,161 $61,721,826 $32M
3 The New World 2005 New Line Cinema $12,712,093 $36,622,682 $49,334,775 $30M
4 A Hidden Life 2019 Searchlight $1,730,597 $2,891,757 $4,622,354 $7M
5 Days of Heaven 1978 Paramount $3,446,749 $38,515 $3,485,264 $3M
6 To the Wonder 2013 Magnolia $587,615 $2,213,551 $2,801,166 N/A
7 Song to Song 2017 Broad Green $443,684 $1,369,769 $1,813,453 N/A
8 Knight of Cups 2016 Broad Green $566,006 $460,282 $1,026,288 N/A
9 Voyage of Time 2016 Broad Green / IMAX $55,409 $281,629 $337,038 $12M
10 Badlands 1973 Warner Bros. $0 $54,396 $54,396 $300K
Across those 10 films, he has made $223,323,125 worldwide. That's $22,332,312 per film.

The Verdict

Unreliable. Not even close.
Malick has been unable to make a single profitable film in his career. Of course, the one exception might be Badlands, but we have no box office data from 1973 to corroborate. And that shouldn't be a surprise. His films are way too experimental, and have often been criticized for the lack of plot and character development. That's not for everyone. And some actors have expressed frustration with his post-production, especially because their roles are entirely cut from his films.
At the same time, however, there's a lot to admire about Malick. His films often read like meditative poetry, trying to convey emotion through cinematography and philosophy instead of dialogue or plot. The Thin Red Line has received a huge amount of praise in subsequent years, to the point that some might consider it superior to that year's other war film, Saving Private Ryan (like your OP here). And The Tree of Life has been one of the century's most acclaimed and analyzed films, so clearly Malick knows his magic (I'd put it in the top 5 of the century, but that's just me). Studios know they won't make any money with Malick, but they still want to see his works. And that's fine.
As a fun fact, one of Malick's favorite films is none other than... Zoolander. After hearing that Malick was a fan, Ben Stiller made an in-character happy-birthday video for the director. He not only loves the film, but he often quotes it on set. Now you gotta picture a crew member explaining something to Malick, and then Malick replying with "but why male models?"
Hope you liked this edition. You can find this and more in the wiki for this section.
The next director will be Guillermo del Toro. I'll have to post at least some of his projects that never materialized.
I asked you to choose who else should be in the run and the comment with the most upvotes would be chosen. Well, we'll later talk about... Danny Boyle. One of the most iconic British directors.
This is the schedule for the following four:
Week Director Reasoning
April 8-14 Guillermo del Toro So... no At the Mountains of Madness?
April 15-21 Todd Phillips Who's laughing now?
April 22-28 John Carpenter Is that really it? No more films?
April 29-May 5 Danny Boyle It was a long wait, but 28 Years Later is finally happening.
Who should be next after Boyle? That's up to you.
And to finally answer your question, there's finally a date on Christopher Nolan's post. It was a long wait, but I wanted to know how it will do on Japan before calling it. The post will be on... July 20. Some might think this is too long to wait, but I think it's a fitting date. It is what it is.
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2024.04.05 02:17 OrkosFriend All 50 States Mentioned on GG?

All right, I know this is a weird inquiry, but I was watching the episode where Dorothy is talking about her teacher that opened up a bed & breakfast in Whode Island....Rhode Island, and it had me wondering how many states were mentioned during the course of the show (Edited to include responses from Redditors below).
34 States Mentioned in Total (if you count the Indiana reference on Golden Palace) / 16 States Not Mentioned
Alabama - Rose drove there and stopped at a diner where Blanche had an egg dish named after her. Rose also mentions Alabammy when they're trying to write the Miami song.
Alaska - an officer Dorothy was dating was transferred to the Aleutian Islands.
Arizona - "if I was in Phoenix, I'd be going in the sun".
Arkansas - Blanche tried to set Dorothy up with a guy that almost burned down a diner in Arkansas, because his eggs were too runny.
California - Gloria lived there, and they went there for Grab That Dough.
Connecticut - mentioned during an exchange with Dorothy and Rose.
Colorado - with a ski instructor named Fritz!
Florida - Duh!
Georgia - home state of Blanche.
Hawaii - Stan lived there with Chrissy, his second wife.
Illinois - Rose's sister, Lily lived there. Sophia was in Chicago for the St. Valentine's Day Massacre.
Indiana - mentioned on Golden Palace only (the gigolo was moving back to Carlton, IN).
Iowa - when Sophia is renting out rooms, the couple staying at the house is "from a small town in Iowa" according to Sophia.
Kentucky - Dorothy said UFOs are only seen by farmers in Kentucky / Blanche sings “sleep Kentucky Babe…” as she cuts a veggie plate in season 1
Louisiana - Rose's wild story during the Burt Reynold's episode. Blanche tells Dorothy that it's fine for a gay funeral in New Orleans.
Massachusetts (Boston) - Buddy Rourke lived there (supposedly). Sophia also mentioned a fake town called Spillsbury , MA.
Michigan - Rocco said he ran Detroit.
Minnesota - Home state of Rose.
Mississippi - mentioned in the "Gonna Stuff a Chicken" song.
Missouri (Saint Louis) - Dorothy and Lorraine discuss the humidity there.
Nebraska - "Is that closer to Omaha or Lincoln?"
Nevada - Priscilla is going to Las Vegas to elope with her fiance, leaving Miami Mom's Catering in the red.
New Jersey - Phil's family lived there.
New York - Home state of Dorothy and Sophia.
Ohio - Blanche and Dorothy slept with Rose's cousin, who was from there.
Oregon - Bobby's (George Clooney) mom lives there.
Pennsylvania (Philadelphia) - show me the Liberty Bell...the uh, cream cheese!
Tennessee (Chatanooga) - Blanche, are you allowed to go back to Chattanooga?
Texas - David, George's son is from there. And so is Morty Fishbein!
Rhode Island - as mentioned above.
Virginia - Blanche's mother resided in a retirement home there. And Blanche has a sister named Virginia.
South Carolina - Blanche considers relocating to Charleston to live with George’s brother, Jamie.
South Dakota - when Rose explains what Mount Losenbaden is, she says it’s like Mount Rushmore, which is in South Dakota.
Washington (Seattle) - Dirk's mom lives there.
Washington, D.C. - The White House was mentioned by "George Bush". And a Dorothy/Sophia exhange: "where are my dancing shoes, ma?" - "In the Smithsonian right next to Fred Astaire's". Also, numerous Presidents/Vice Presidents were mentioned.
and U.S. Territories: Although not states, Guam and Puerto Rico are also mentioned.
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2024.04.04 00:40 autobuzzfeedbot 31 Bizarre Celebrity Facts That Pop Into My Head From Time To Time

  1. Osama bin Laden was a major Whitney Houston fan, according to Kola Boof, who claims to have lived with Bin Laden for a few months. "He said that he had a paramount desire for Whitney Houston, and although he claimed music was evil, he spoke of someday spending vast amounts of money to go to America and try to arrange a meeting with the superstar," she said. She even claimed Bin Laden planned to kill Bobby Brown, whom she was married to at the time.
  2. Colin Farrell was once an attempted murder suspect. On The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, Farrell revealed in a "true confessions" game that as a teenager, he'd been brought in for questioning about an attempted murder — which, by the way, was never solved — because he looked like the pencil sketch of the perpetrator.
  3. Maybe I'm the last one to know this, but I only just learned that Snoop Dogg was charged with first-degree murder in 1993. Snoop's bodyguard at the time, McKinley Lee, shot and killed Snoop's rival gang member, Phillip Woldermariam, from Snoop's car while Snoop was driving. According to Lee, Woldermariam was reaching for his gun and fired on him before he could draw his weapon. Snoop's lawyer also claimed self-defense and said Woldemariam had threatened Snoop's life numerous times.
  4. As a kid, Terrance Howard witnessed his dad stab a man to death while they were in line to take photos with a department store Santa, in what became known as the "Santa Line Slaying." Terrance said the man, who was also there with his family, made a racist comment to Terrance's father Tyrone after he thought he skipped in line. Tyrone was arrested and pleaded self-defense; he ended up being convicted of manslaughter and spent eleven months in prison.
  5. Leighter Meester made headlines when it was reported that she had been born in jail as her mother was serving a sentence for helping smuggle 1,200 pounds of weed out of Jamaica. Meester later clarified her mother gave birth in a hospital before returning to prison — with Meester spending three months in a halfway house. Meester's aunt, who had been arrested with her mother, actually escaped prison and became the first woman on the US Marshals 15 Most Wanted List in the US "My family has a crazy history. Probably the craziest I've ever heard of," Meester admitted in 2012.
  6. When Angelina Jolie was 22, she hired a hitman to kill her. She was suicidal, but she was worried that the people in her life would blame themselves if she died by suicide. She found a hitman in New York — which she said wasn't difficult — but he ended up talking her out of it. "He was a decent enough person and asked if I could think about it and call him again in two months. Something changed in my life, and I figured I'd stick it out."
  7. Julia Roberts, who would later star in Runaway Bride, really was a runaway bride. In 1991, days before she was going to marry Kiefer Sutherland, Roberts called off her wedding. On the day she was supposed to be married, she instead went on a date with Jason Patric, who was friends with Sutherland (but had recently been uninvited from the wedding), then ran away with him to Ireland.
  8. Nick Cannon has claimed multiple times that Mariah Carey would sometimes play her music when they would have sex — in particular, her song "Hero."
  9. Usher also listens to his own music while having sex. "Some may say this would be rather narcissistic, but yeah," he told Oprah Winfrey. "I think I do a pretty good job at it. I'm a good motivator for the moment." He revealed he puts on a playlist during sex, saying, "I like to set the mood." As for songs he likes to listen to, he named "Lessons for Loves" and "Dive," adding that "Climax" would be a good one towards the end of the session."
  10. Fran Drescher claimed that when she was younger, she was abducted by aliens who put a chip in her head — and that the same thing had happened to her ex-husband, Peter Marc Jacobson. "You know, it's funny because Peter and I both saw [aliens] before we knew each other, doing the same thing, driving on the road with our dads," she recounted. "We were both in junior high. A few years later, we met, and we realized that we had the same experience. I think that somehow we were programmed to meet." She continued that they both have scars in the same spot, where the chips are, though "the aliens programmed [them] to think" the scars were from something else.
  11. In his book, Van Halen member Sammy Hagar wrote that he had an alien abduction experience, too. He told MTV, "Aliens were plugged into me. It was a download situation. This was long before computers or any kind of wireless. There weren't even wireless telephones. Looking back now, it was like, 'F***, they downloaded something into me!' Or they uploaded something from my brain, like an experiment - 'See what this guy knows.'"
  12. Speaking of Van Halen, I can't believe I didn't know about their legendary "Lost Weekend," where they created a contest to have two fans party with them for a weekend. The guy who won brought his best friend — who, like him, was underage (one was 19, and the other was 20) — and had a wild weekend with Van Halen, where they were provided with essentially limitless alcohol, cocaine, and women. Apparently, at one point, a groupie did a striptease for one of the boys, Kurt Jefferis, and then David Lee Roth told the groupie to "take [him] in the shower for a while." They then went into the other room, and MTV network executive Richard Schenkman (who was coordinating a camera crew to film parts of the weekend that ended up being blocked from some of the wilder events) claims, "they rubbed egg salad all over her."
  13. Barbara Streisand cloned her dog Samantha after she died using cells from her mouth and stomach — TWICE. She has to dress the dogs in different colors to tell them apart.
  14. Diane von Furstenberg and her husband Barry Diller also cloned their dog to create twin Jack Russel Terriers — which cost over $100,000.
  15. Taylor Momsen's bandmate Ben Philips once revealed that Momsen had her dog neutered, then brought his testicles into the studio and set them on fire.
  16. We can't 100% confirm this, but it's been reported that Brad Pitt brings his own toilet seat to hotels and "unfamiliar house[s]" as "It grosses him out, not knowing who used the bathroom before him." Oddly, though, there were reports in 2005 that Pitt had bought a jailhouse toilet with a matching sink and wanted to install it in his home with Jennifer Aniston, which Aniston apparently disagreed with.
  17. Billie Eilish was almost named "Pirate," and it ended up being one of her middle names because when Billie's mother was pregnant, Finneas was in a pirate phase. "They called me pirate for months, and they were kind of planning on naming me Pirate," she revealed. "And soon before I was born, my grandfather died, and his name was William, AKA Bill, Billie. And that's where my name came from." Her full name is Billie Eilish Pirate Baird O'Connell.
  18. Kit Harington didn't know his first name until he was 11. He'd always gone by Kit, and he didn't realize his name was Christopher until he filled in an exam form at school. "There was the space for my name and I put down Kit Harington because that's what my parents had called me from day one, and the guy came up to me and said, 'No, your name's Christopher," Kit recalled. "I was like, 'I think I know,' and they all went, 'No, no, no, it's Christopher!'" When asked why his parents wouldn't tell him his real name, Harrington said, "I haven't got a clue! I think they could see that I wanted to be Kit, but Christopher was a bit of a tradition."
  19. George Clooney used to have a 294 lb. pet pig named Max who slept in his bed. He bought him for his girlfriend, Kelly Preston, then kept him after they broke up. Clooney was highly attached to the pig and once joked about marrying him if he would fit in a wedding dress. Once, Max even saved his life before an earthquake: "About three minutes before, Max woke me up and kept nudging me, like he was trying to warn me. That's how smart he is," Clooney recalled.
  20. Kanye taking the mic from Taylor Swift at the 2009 MTV Video Music Awards will go down in pop culture history — but I was shocked to learn that this wasn't even the first time Kanye had done this. In 2006, he'd gone onstage at the MTV European Music Awards after the French group Justice won Best Video and taken the mic from them to rant about how his video for "Touch The Sky" should have won, saying, "If I don't win, the awards show loses credibility."
  21. Let's end on some quick fire facts. First: Anthony Michael Hall's real name is Michael Anthony Hall.
  22. LMFAO is made up of an uncle and a nephew.
  23. Paul McCartney was once arrested and deported from Germany on suspicion of arson after he lit a condom on fire.
  24. McCartney was also arrested and deported from Japan after being caught with half a pound of weed.
  25. Paul Rudd’s parents are actually second cousins.
  26. Pierce Brosnan used to do a fire-breathing act in the circus after learning the trick in 1969.
  27. Christopher Walken worked as a trainee lion tamer at 16.
  28. Danny DeVito used to be a hairdresser, and he would sometimes do dead women's hair for their funerals.
  29. And Whoopi Goldberg used to do corpses' makeup.
  30. Mick Jagger has a son who is younger than his great-grandchild.
  31. And finally, this one's small, but I just think it's hilarious: 5SOS once crashed Justin Bieber's party and claimed "he had his own album on loop for, like, two or three hours.”
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2024.03.13 06:35 Ella77214 Jax's problem with Katie

At the reunion in S3, Andy called jax out for some gross and sexist remarks he had made about the stunning and brilliant Amal Clooney. Andy said something like, "that makes me think that you don't like smart women." Jax replied, "No, I think that smart women don't like me."
I think that about sums up Jax's issue with Katie. Shes smart and he cant stand smart women. She's always seen him for what he is, she fights back and doesn't take his shit. He fucking hates that.
Not implying Stassi is stupid btw. He dated her when she was too young to know better and fucked her over. Katie has never allowed him to be in a position to do that to her.
I also think that is why Jax was starting to go in so hard for Ariana in S8. Beautiful intelligent women who don't tolerate him or give him the time of day set him the f off.
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2024.03.11 13:22 Main-Promotion-397 Krazy Kaiser Konspiracy Threories?

It’s a long story but the Oscars reminded me of this, and I thought it might be a fun thread.
We all know Kaiser is totally onboard with the “BRF killed Diana / tried to kill H&M in NYC” ridiculousness. But have there been any other conspiracy theories she’s had over the years that have been less “I’m worried for this person’s mental health”?
I’m thinking of back before Clooney got with Amal and was dating a steady succession of Vegas cocktail waitresses and D-listers. Kaiser had this absolutely bananapants theory that Clooney was into really crazy rough sex because … every now and then he would show up on a red carpet or in pap photos with an injury, like he was on crutches or something. I specifically remember Kaiser writing about how Stacy Keibler, who was a wrestler, must be doing some crazy wrestling moves on him in bed and injuring him. (I don’t think it was limited to her — IIRC he had various injuries while with other GFs.) So according to Kaiser, Clooney liked it rough … instead of, you know, having a famously injured bad back that might affect his balance or whatever.
This was WAY before Meghan came on the scene so I was still reading the site religiously and not realizing how divorced from reality Kaiser can be, and even then I was like “wtf?” Does anyone else remember any absolutely cuckoo bananas conspiracy theories Kaiser pushed?
ETA: If Clooney *does* like it rough, I am not judging! 🤣
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2024.03.09 08:42 Slight-Government149 My life as an extremely online, shut-in, anti-feminist 'red piller

A while ago now, I contracted an illness that rendered me mostly housebound. Being a young, heterosexual male with poor dating prospects, I was naturally drawn to the 'manosphere' - a loose collection of websites centred around 'pick-up artists' - so I could live vicariously through their exploits. The manosphere has a reputation for being sexist, and for good reason; but what else was I supposed to do?
Before I go further, let me precede this by telling you I'm not stupid; my judgement wasn't that bad. At the start, I thought they were mostly trolling, and when they weren't, I could still see their shortcomings. For example, long before Roosh V was a Christian, he wrote a particularly smug post about religion, even though it had nothing to do with his audience at that time. This 'I'm right, everyone else is an idiot' attitude would be a taste of things to come.
With that out of the way, starting to read manosphere websites marked the beginning of my political evolution. At first, I gravitated towards libertarianism, because it seemed like the best of both worlds. Over time, I gravitated towards conservatism, then the far right, or the 'alt-right'. In my defense, I always knew my 'shut-in' status and lack of outside influences played a huge role, but I had no other avenues with which to engage with politics.
When most people look back on their lives, they have a collection of real-life experiences that shaped them: relationships that failed, nightlife venues they frequented, parties they witnessed. When I look back on my life, I have a collection of online experiences that shaped me: parasocial relationships that failed, websites I frequented, forum threads I witnessed.
One belief the manosphere instilled in me is that the universe is governed by greed. This was because of how full of grifters the manosphere was. In the past, people who wrote about seduction were professional journalists who'd been assigned to it. But pickup artists were regular guys who'd built good sex lives and, in an effort to help other men do it, started blogs. Yet the 'grassroots' nature of this community did little to stop them from scamming men. I became 'red-pilled', alright; but on people rather than women.
An experience that shaped me was watching Margin Call, a movie about Wall Street. One quote stood out: "There are three ways to make it in this business: be first, be smart, or cheat. I don't cheat, and although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first." This made me think of the 'anti-social' nature of a lot of 'successful' people, like pickup artists. They didn't have that pedantic, Jordan Peterson-like habit of getting caught up in moral conundrums; they just acted. This was driven home by an interview I read with George Clooney, where he related an anecdote about how, when he first got rich, he gave $1 million to each of his friends who'd helped him; another rich guy had asked him why he'd do that, and Clooney had thought "Why wouldn't you do that, you schmuck?"
There were upsides to being extremely online, however. One was learning about social 'faux pas' in more depth than real life would've taught me. This is because in real life, you can only really learn about the ones in your immediate culture, but on the internet, since it centralizes information, you can learn about social 'faux pas' from all sorts of cultures. It also takes a certain kind of person to teach you social graces. I have a brother-in-law who'd tell tall tales, show off his sports car, and take me to car shows, relishing being the 'cool older guy'. But he was never a mentor; the internet had to be my mentor.
Then there were the miscellaneous beliefs the internet led me to, such as the belief that excessive research is pedantic. This is because, after consuming manosphere content for years, an integral part of which were pickup artists, few of them ever did it congruently despite it being their job. This led me to conclude that 'writing' and 'doing' are two separate things, and if I wanted to 'do', I needed to engage the 'doing' part of my brain rather than the research and 'writing' part of my brain.
Another belief I developed during my years viewing manosphere and adjacent content is that it's a lot more 'engineered' and astroturfed than we're led to believe. This was for a few reasons. One reason is how many content creators lived in Washington D.C. when they started blogging (Roosh V, Roissy, Virgle Kent, Jack Murphy) or came from military or law enforcement backgrounds (Rian Stone, The Family Alpha/Zac Small/Hunter Drew, Paul from Apex Mindset, Myron Gaines from Fresh & Fit, RealFemSapien/Aly Dee, Paul from the Come On Man podcast); another is how many have been charged with crimes then, shortly after, have become content creators or, if they're not already, have started pushing an agenda (Mike Cernovich, Tanner Guzy, Rian Stone, Andrew Tate, Alex Cortes); another is that, over time, they became increasingly affiliated with the far-right, and I, despite being the quintessential shut-in, never related to it, because most people are apolitical, and if you have any self-awareness at all, you know not to go too far down rabbit holes since you have to stay anchored to reality to have the ability to persuade people of things; another is that too many users seemed too 'on the nose' with their beliefs, so they were likely bots or paid troll farm members; and another is, when Roosh V Forum suddenly changed from a pickup forum to a Christian forum that disavowed premarital sex, how many members suddenly 'realized' they were also Christians that disavowed premarital sex.
Yet another belief I developed was that extremely online people are disproportionately 'trust fund kids'. The first piece of evidence for this is how much free time they have; I've never been able to read and watch all the things some internet users do despite having all the free time in the world. The second piece of evidence is that any time someone asks what an 'average middle class income' is, commenters tend to say six figures or above. The third piece of evidence is the amount of Reddit threads that ask things like "What's the worst gift you've ever gotten?", suggesting a 'rich kid' ungratefulness. The fourth piece of evidence is the general softness and sensitivity of people on the internet.
These things turned me off spending so much time on the internet, since I'd assumed most 'extremely online' people were like me: housebound due to illness. The tendency of able-bodied people to 'front' on the internet was something I found annoying, since they had the ability to actually build the lives they wanted. There were several examples of this.
One was a blog I read years ago called something like 'female misogynist'; supposedly written by a woman, at some point - in part due to the overly-pedantic, stereotypically 'male' tone - I realized it was probably written by a man. Another was Roosh V trying to convince people he's better than gay men, despite the fact that even conservative dads would likely rather have a gay son than a son as cringe-worthy as him. And another was a commenter called Mark Minter, who went on and on about how terrible marriage was, then married someone he knew for three days. What do these people think? "If I bitch enough on the internet, the universe will reward me somehow?"
Internet commenters can be just as bad, writing in this rushed, whispered, confessional, wide-eyed tone. See Jon Anthony Lifestyle's YouTube channel for the vibe I'm talking about. He sits there in a wife beater 'exposing' other manosphere guys; there's even one particularly tasteless video 'exposing' manosphere figures' 'ugly' significant others, thus proving pickup artists and the like are 'frauds'.
They blame their failures on some conspiracy by 'normies'. This is especially hypocritical considering a lot of them are right-wing; they deny systemic bias exists against, for example, African-Americans, but if you ask them why there aren't many conservatives in Hollywood, they say it's because people are 'scheming' against them. One upside of the pickup community is that they called people out for seeking validation rather than overcoming their failures. It gets under their skin when someone from the 'other side' is rational, because it legitimizes the 'other side'. I know this because it used to get under my skin.
Internet commenters also tend to look for the one person to validate their insanity rather than just not be insane in the first place. Jon Fitch told a story about a guy who wanted to learn MMA but didn't want to do conditioning, but Fitch told him he had to. Fitch later found out this guy had contacted a whole bunch of MMA gyms asking the same thing, looking for that one person to say "yes, you can be out of shape and still be a mixed martial artist".
It also doesn't matter to them if the views they're seeking validation for contradict their other views. Matt Forney hated fat women but is fat himself. Roosh always made fun of women being slovenly, promiscuous, validation junkies but was one himself. He also hated 'neurotic' Jews despite being like a parody of a Woody Allen character. Roosh V Forum was full of men who leveraged their developed country citizenship status into easy sex. But Roosh V Forum was also a bastion of radical anti-immigration sentiment. Never mind that Roosh V Forum members were self-described 'love tourists', essentially sex tourists, and immigrants immigrate for jobs. Then there's Rollo Tomassi, who complains about society becoming 'feminized' yet is the most passive-aggressive person I've ever come across, man or woman. (On that note, the manosphere rivals celebrity gossip for cattiness. I'm not even joking; I've read celebrity gossip.) There's also Jack Murphy, a self-styled macho man who's into cuckolding. He's not the only one; a lot of others of his ilk, such as Mike Cernovich and Jon Anthony, have admitted to being with transwomen. And Jon from Modern Life Dating preaches the importance of physical fitness but gets liposuction.
But validation seems addictive, so not all 'pickup artist' and 'manosphere' content creators are immune to it. This taught me a lesson about human nature: as long as people could find a proverbial 'room' where everyone thought like them, all other opinions - for all intents and purposes - didn't exist. This didn't appeal to me; I'd think the universe would always somehow know whether someone's right or wrong.
I knew it was time to spend less time on the internet when I became 'post-political'. What I meant by this is that, even when I agreed with someone, if I felt they were politicking I was nevertheless turned off. One example of this is this 'faux surprise' thing people do where, when they're arguing with someone, they feign surprise at their opponent not jumping through this trivial moral hoop. It's like they all read some lame self-help book about 'projecting confidence'.
The internet becoming increasingly 'engineered' and astroturfed and the men's movement petering out was my political education. I imagine this is how other hopeful, idealistic people feel when a movement fails. It's funny when people say the manosphere radicalizes men, because it had the opposite effect on me, making me see why feminists are so cautious of men.
I know what you're thinking: I drifted away from the manosphere because I never fully swallowed 'the red pill'. But that's not true; I still see how feminism fails to properly deal with 'low-status men'. It's just that I've grown out of binary thinking.
Or you might think I drifted away from it because I'm magnanimous. But that's not true; growing up, I was pretty bratty. But if you spend enough time on the internet, you will find people cringe-worthy. A lot of them are legitimately insane, as in potentially psychotic or schizophrenic. Rollo Tomassi used to get under my skin, but after Roosh V's mental breakdown, I wouldn't be surprised if Rollo has one too. He's halfway there already; his views are so intricate, they're like a schizophrenic person who 'sees' subliminal messages in newspapers.
So if you're still addicted to rage-bait, don't worry too much; you'll probably grow out of it.
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2024.03.08 11:15 Slight-Government149 A detailed summary of my time in the manosphere

A while ago now, I contracted an illness that rendered me mostly housebound. Being a young, heterosexual male with poor dating prospects, I was naturally drawn to the 'manosphere' - a loose collection of websites centred around 'pick-up artists' - so I could live vicariously through their exploits. The manosphere has a reputation for being sexist, and for good reason; but what else was I supposed to do?
Before I go further, let me precede this by telling you I'm not stupid; my judgement wasn't that bad. At the start, I thought they were mostly trolling, and when they weren't, I could still see their shortcomings. For example, long before Roosh V was a Christian, he wrote a particularly smug post about religion, even though it had nothing to do with his audience at that time. This 'I'm right, everyone else is an idiot' attitude would be a taste of things to come.
With that out of the way, starting to read manosphere websites marked the beginning of my political evolution. At first, I gravitated towards libertarianism, because it seemed like the best of both worlds. Over time, I gravitated towards conservatism, then the far right, or the 'alt-right'. In my defense, I always knew my 'shut-in' status and lack of outside influences played a huge role, but I had no other avenues with which to engage with politics.
When most people look back on their lives, they have a collection of real-life experiences that shaped them: relationships that failed, nightlife venues they frequented, parties they witnessed. When I look back on my life, I have a collection of online experiences that shaped me: parasocial relationships that failed, websites I frequented, forum threads I witnessed.
One belief the manosphere instilled in me is that the universe is governed by greed. This was because of how full of grifters the manosphere was. In the past, people who wrote about seduction were professional journalists who'd been assigned to it. But pickup artists were regular guys who'd built good sex lives and, in an effort to help other men do it, started blogs. Yet the 'grassroots' nature of this community did little to stop them from scamming men. I became 'red-pilled', alright; but on people rather than women.
An experience that shaped me was watching Margin Call, a movie about Wall Street. One quote stood out: "There are three ways to make it in this business: be first, be smart, or cheat. I don't cheat, and although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first." This made me think of the 'anti-social' nature of a lot of 'successful' people, like pickup artists. They didn't have that pedantic, Jordan Peterson-like habit of getting caught up in moral conundrums; they just acted. This was driven home by an interview I read with George Clooney, where he related an anecdote about how, when he first got rich, he gave $1 million to each of his friends who'd helped him; another rich guy had asked him why he'd do that, and Clooney had thought "Why wouldn't you do that, you schmuck?"
There were upsides to being extremely online, however. One was learning about social 'faux pas' in more depth than real life would've taught me. This is because in real life, you can only really learn about the ones in your immediate culture, but on the internet, since it centralizes information, you can learn about social 'faux pas' from all sorts of cultures. It also takes a certain kind of person to teach you social graces. I have a brother-in-law who'd tell tall tales, show off his sports car, and take me to car shows, relishing being the 'cool older guy'. But he was never a mentor; the internet had to be my mentor.
Then there were the miscellaneous beliefs the internet led me to, such as the belief that excessive research is pedantic. This is because, after consuming manosphere content for years, an integral part of which were pickup artists, few of them ever did it congruently despite it being their job. This led me to conclude that 'writing' and 'doing' are two separate things, and if I wanted to 'do', I needed to engage the 'doing' part of my brain rather than the research and 'writing' part of my brain.
Another belief I developed during my years viewing manosphere and adjacent content is that it's a lot more 'engineered' and astroturfed than we're led to believe. This was for a few reasons. One reason is how many content creators lived in Washington D.C. when they started blogging (Roosh V, Roissy, Virgle Kent, Jack Murphy) or came from military or law enforcement backgrounds (Rian Stone, The Family Alpha/Zac Small/Hunter Drew, Paul from Apex Mindset, Myron Gaines from Fresh & Fit, RealFemSapien/Aly Dee, Paul from the Come On Man podcast); another is how many have been charged with crimes then, shortly after, have become content creators or, if they're not already, have started pushing an agenda (Mike Cernovich, Tanner Guzy, Rian Stone, Andrew Tate, Alex Cortes); another is that, over time, they became increasingly affiliated with the far-right, and I, despite being the quintessential shut-in, never related to it, because most people are apolitical, and if you have any self-awareness at all, you know not to go too far down rabbit holes since you have to stay anchored to reality to have the ability to persuade people of things; another is that too many users seemed too 'on the nose' with their beliefs, so they were likely bots or paid troll farm members; and another is, when Roosh V Forum suddenly changed from a pickup forum to a Christian forum that disavowed premarital sex, how many members suddenly 'realized' they were also Christians that disavowed premarital sex.
Yet another belief I developed was that extremely online people are disproportionately 'trust fund kids'. The first piece of evidence for this is how much free time they have; I've never been able to read and watch all the things some internet users do despite having all the free time in the world. The second piece of evidence is that any time someone asks what an 'average middle class income' is, commenters tend to say six figures or above. The third piece of evidence is the amount of Reddit threads that ask things like "What's the worst gift you've ever gotten?", suggesting a 'rich kid' ungratefulness. The fourth piece of evidence is the general softness and sensitivity of people on the internet.
These things turned me off spending so much time on the internet, since I'd assumed most 'extremely online' people were like me: housebound due to illness. The tendency of able-bodied people to 'front' on the internet was something I found annoying, since they had the ability to actually build the lives they wanted. There were several examples of this.
One was a blog I read years ago called something like 'female misogynist'; supposedly written by a woman, at some point - in part due to the overly-pedantic, stereotypically 'male' tone - I realized it was probably written by a man. Another was Roosh V trying to convince people he's better than gay men, despite the fact that even conservative dads would likely rather have a gay son than a son as cringe-worthy as him. And another was a commenter called Mark Minter, who went on and on about how terrible marriage was, then married someone he knew for three days. What do these people think? "If I bitch enough on the internet, the universe will reward me somehow?"
Internet commenters can be just as bad, writing in this rushed, whispered, confessional, wide-eyed tone. See Jon Anthony Lifestyle's YouTube channel for the vibe I'm talking about. He sits there in a wife beater 'exposing' other manosphere guys; there's even one particularly tasteless video 'exposing' manosphere figures' 'ugly' significant others, thus proving pickup artists and the like are 'frauds'.
They blame their failures on some conspiracy by 'normies'. This is especially hypocritical considering a lot of them are right-wing; they deny systemic bias exists against, for example, African-Americans, but if you ask them why there aren't many conservatives in Hollywood, they say it's because people are 'scheming' against them. One upside of the pickup community is that they called people out for seeking validation rather than overcoming their failures. It gets under their skin when someone from the 'other side' is rational, because it legitimizes the 'other side'. I know this because it used to get under my skin.
Internet commenters also tend to look for the one person to validate their insanity rather than just not be insane in the first place. Jon Fitch told a story about a guy who wanted to learn MMA but didn't want to do conditioning, but Fitch told him he had to. Fitch later found out this guy had contacted a whole bunch of MMA gyms asking the same thing, looking for that one person to say "yes, you can be out of shape and still be a mixed martial artist".
It also doesn't matter to them if the views they're seeking validation for contradict their other views. Matt Forney hated fat women but is fat himself. Roosh always made fun of women being slovenly, promiscuous, validation junkies but was one himself. He also hated 'neurotic' Jews despite being like a parody of a Woody Allen character. Roosh V Forum was full of men who leveraged their developed country citizenship status into easy sex. But Roosh V Forum was also a bastion of radical anti-immigration sentiment. Never mind that Roosh V Forum members were self-described 'love tourists', essentially sex tourists, and immigrants immigrate for jobs. Then there's Rollo Tomassi, who complains about society becoming 'feminized' yet is the most passive-aggressive person I've ever come across, man or woman. (On that note, the manosphere rivals celebrity gossip for cattiness. I'm not even joking; I've read celebrity gossip.) There's also Jack Murphy, a self-styled macho man who's into cuckolding. He's not the only one; a lot of others of his ilk, such as Mike Cernovich and Jon Anthony, have admitted to being with transwomen. And Jon from Modern Life Dating preaches the importance of physical fitness but gets liposuction.
But validation seems addictive, so not all 'pickup artist' and 'manosphere' content creators are immune to it. This taught me a lesson about human nature: as long as people could find a proverbial 'room' where everyone thought like them, all other opinions - for all intents and purposes - didn't exist. This didn't appeal to me; I'd think the universe would always somehow know whether someone's right or wrong.
I knew it was time to spend less time on the internet when I became 'post-political'. What I meant by this is that, even when I agreed with someone, if I felt they were politicking I was nevertheless turned off. One example of this is this 'faux surprise' thing people do where, when they're arguing with someone, they feign surprise at their opponent not jumping through this trivial moral hoop. It's like they all read some lame self-help book about 'projecting confidence'.
The internet becoming increasingly 'engineered' and astroturfed and the men's movement petering out was my political education. I imagine this is how other hopeful, idealistic people feel when a movement fails. It's funny when people say the manosphere radicalizes men, because it had the opposite effect on me, making me see why feminists are so cautious of men.
I know what you're thinking: I drifted away from the manosphere because I never fully swallowed 'the red pill'. But that's not true; I still see how feminism fails to properly deal with 'low-status men'. It's just that I've grown out of binary thinking.
Or you might think I drifted away from it because I'm magnanimous. But that's not true; growing up, I was pretty bratty. But if you spend enough time on the internet, you will find people cringe-worthy. A lot of them are legitimately insane, as in potentially psychotic or schizophrenic. Rollo Tomassi used to get under my skin, but after Roosh V's mental breakdown, I wouldn't be surprised if Rollo has one too. He's halfway there already; his views are so intricate, they're like a schizophrenic person who 'sees' subliminal messages in newspapers.
So if you're still addicted to rage-bait, don't worry too much; you'll probably grow out of it.
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2024.03.07 12:52 Slight-Government149 My life as an extremely online, shut-in, anti-feminist 'red piller'

A while ago now, I contracted an illness that rendered me mostly housebound. Being a young, heterosexual male with poor dating prospects, I was naturally drawn to the 'manosphere' - a loose collection of websites centred around 'pick-up artists' - so I could live vicariously through their exploits. The manosphere has a reputation for being sexist, and for good reason; but what else was I supposed to do?
Before I go further, let me precede this by telling you I'm not stupid; my judgement wasn't that bad. At the start, I thought they were mostly trolling, and when they weren't, I could still see their shortcomings. For example, long before Roosh V was a Christian, he wrote a particularly smug post about religion, even though it had nothing to do with his audience at that time. This 'I'm right, everyone else is an idiot' attitude would be a taste of things to come.
With that out of the way, starting to read manosphere websites marked the beginning of my political evolution. At first, I gravitated towards libertarianism, because it seemed like the best of both worlds. Over time, I gravitated towards conservatism, then the far right, or the 'alt-right'. In my defense, I always knew my 'shut-in' status and lack of outside influences played a huge role, but I had no other avenues with which to engage with politics.
When most people look back on their lives, they have a collection of real-life experiences that shaped them: relationships that failed, nightlife venues they frequented, parties they witnessed. When I look back on my life, I have a collection of online experiences that shaped me: parasocial relationships that failed, websites I frequented, forum threads I witnessed.
One belief the manosphere instilled in me is that the universe is governed by greed. This was because of how full of grifters the manosphere was. In the past, people who wrote about seduction were professional journalists who'd been assigned to it. But pickup artists were regular guys who'd built good sex lives and, in an effort to help other men do it, started blogs. Yet the 'grassroots' nature of this community did little to stop them from scamming men. I became 'red-pilled', alright; but on people rather than women.
An experience that shaped me was watching Margin Call, a movie about Wall Street. One quote stood out: "There are three ways to make it in this business: be first, be smart, or cheat. I don't cheat, and although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first." This made me think of the 'anti-social' nature of a lot of 'successful' people, like pickup artists. They didn't have that pedantic, Jordan Peterson-like habit of getting caught up in moral conundrums; they just acted. This was driven home by an interview I read with George Clooney, where he related an anecdote about how, when he first got rich, he gave $1 million to each of his friends who'd helped him; another rich guy had asked him why he'd do that, and Clooney had thought "Why wouldn't you do that, you schmuck?"
There were upsides to being extremely online, however. One was learning about social 'faux pas' in more depth than real life would've taught me. This is because in real life, you can only really learn about the ones in your immediate culture, but on the internet, since it centralizes information, you can learn about social 'faux pas' from all sorts of cultures. It also takes a certain kind of person to teach you social graces. I have a brother-in-law who'd tell tall tales, show off his sports car, and take me to car shows, relishing being the 'cool older guy'. But he was never a mentor; the internet had to be my mentor.
Then there were the miscellaneous beliefs the internet led me to, such as the belief that excessive research is pedantic. This is because, after consuming manosphere content for years, an integral part of which were pickup artists, few of them ever did it congruently despite it being their job. This led me to conclude that 'writing' and 'doing' are two separate things, and if I wanted to 'do', I needed to engage the 'doing' part of my brain rather than the research and 'writing' part of my brain.
Another belief I developed during my years viewing manosphere and adjacent content is that it's a lot more 'engineered' and astroturfed than we're led to believe. This was for a few reasons. One reason is how many content creators lived in Washington D.C. when they started blogging (Roosh V, Roissy, Virgle Kent, Jack Murphy) or came from military or law enforcement backgrounds (Rian Stone, The Family Alpha/Zac Small/Hunter Drew, Paul from Apex Mindset, Myron Gaines from Fresh & Fit, RealFemSapien/Aly Dee, Paul from the Come On Man podcast); another is how many have been charged with crimes then, shortly after, have become content creators or, if they're not already, have started pushing an agenda (Mike Cernovich, Tanner Guzy, Rian Stone, Andrew Tate, Alex Cortes); another is that, over time, they became increasingly affiliated with the far-right, and I, despite being the quintessential shut-in, never related to it, because most people are apolitical, and if you have any self-awareness at all, you know not to go too far down rabbit holes since you have to stay anchored to reality to have the ability to persuade people of things; another is that too many users seemed too 'on the nose' with their beliefs, so they were likely bots or paid troll farm members; and another is, when Roosh V Forum suddenly changed from a pickup forum to a Christian forum that disavowed premarital sex, how many members suddenly 'realized' they were also Christians that disavowed premarital sex.
Yet another belief I developed was that extremely online people are disproportionately 'trust fund kids'. The first piece of evidence for this is how much free time they have; I've never been able to read and watch all the things some internet users do despite having all the free time in the world. The second piece of evidence is that any time someone asks what an 'average middle class income' is, commenters tend to say six figures or above. The third piece of evidence is the amount of Reddit threads that ask things like "What's the worst gift you've ever gotten?", suggesting a 'rich kid' ungratefulness. The fourth piece of evidence is the general softness and sensitivity of people on the internet.
These things turned me off spending so much time on the internet, since I'd assumed most 'extremely online' people were like me: housebound due to illness. The tendency of able-bodied people to 'front' on the internet was something I found annoying, since they had the ability to actually build the lives they wanted. There were several examples of this.
One was a blog I read years ago called something like 'female misogynist'; supposedly written by a woman, at some point - in part due to the overly-pedantic, stereotypically 'male' tone - I realized it was probably written by a man. Another was Roosh V trying to convince people he's better than gay men, despite the fact that even conservative dads would likely rather have a gay son than a son as cringe-worthy as him. And another was a commenter called Mark Minter, who went on and on about how terrible marriage was, then married someone he knew for three days. What do these people think? "If I bitch enough on the internet, the universe will reward me somehow?"
Internet commenters can be just as bad, writing in this rushed, whispered, confessional, wide-eyed tone. See Jon Anthony Lifestyle's YouTube channel for the vibe I'm talking about. He sits there in a wife beater 'exposing' other manosphere guys; there's even one particularly tasteless video 'exposing' manosphere figures' 'ugly' significant others, thus proving pickup artists and the like are 'frauds'.
They blame their failures on some conspiracy by 'normies'. This is especially hypocritical considering a lot of them are right-wing; they deny systemic bias exists against, for example, African-Americans, but if you ask them why there aren't many conservatives in Hollywood, they say it's because people are 'scheming' against them. One upside of the pickup community is that they called people out for seeking validation rather than overcoming their failures. It gets under their skin when someone from the 'other side' is rational, because it legitimizes the 'other side'. I know this because it used to get under my skin.
Internet commenters also tend to look for the one person to validate their insanity rather than just not be insane in the first place. Jon Fitch told a story about a guy who wanted to learn MMA but didn't want to do conditioning, but Fitch told him he had to. Fitch later found out this guy had contacted a whole bunch of MMA gyms asking the same thing, looking for that one person to say "yes, you can be out of shape and still be a mixed martial artist".
It also doesn't matter to them if the views they're seeking validation for contradict their other views. Matt Forney hated fat women but is fat himself. Roosh always made fun of women being slovenly, promiscuous, validation junkies but was one himself. He also hated 'neurotic' Jews despite being like a parody of a Woody Allen character. Roosh V Forum was full of men who leveraged their developed country citizenship status into easy sex. But Roosh V Forum was also a bastion of radical anti-immigration sentiment. Never mind that Roosh V Forum members were self-described 'love tourists', essentially sex tourists, and immigrants immigrate for jobs. Then there's Rollo Tomassi, who complains about society becoming 'feminized' yet is the most passive-aggressive person I've ever come across, man or woman. (On that note, the manosphere rivals celebrity gossip for cattiness. I'm not even joking; I've read celebrity gossip.) There's also Jack Murphy, a self-styled macho man who's into cuckolding. He's not the only one; a lot of others of his ilk, such as Mike Cernovich and Jon Anthony, have admitted to being with transwomen. And Jon from Modern Life Dating preaches the importance of physical fitness but gets liposuction.
But validation seems addictive, so not all 'pickup artist' and 'manosphere' content creators are immune to it. This taught me a lesson about human nature: as long as people could find a proverbial 'room' where everyone thought like them, all other opinions - for all intents and purposes - didn't exist. This didn't appeal to me; I'd think the universe would always somehow know whether someone's right or wrong.
I knew it was time to spend less time on the internet when I became 'post-political'. What I meant by this is that, even when I agreed with someone, if I felt they were politicking I was nevertheless turned off. One example of this is this 'faux surprise' thing people do where, when they're arguing with someone, they feign surprise at their opponent not jumping through this trivial moral hoop. It's like they all read some lame self-help book about 'projecting confidence'.
The internet becoming increasingly 'engineered' and astroturfed and the men's movement petering out was my political education. I imagine this is how other hopeful, idealistic people feel when a movement fails. It's funny when people say the manosphere radicalizes men, because it had the opposite effect on me, making me see why feminists are so cautious of men.
I know what you're thinking: I drifted away from the manosphere because I never fully swallowed 'the red pill'. But that's not true; I still see how feminism fails to properly deal with 'low-status men'. It's just that I've grown out of binary thinking.
Or you might think I drifted away from it because I'm magnanimous. But that's not true; growing up, I was pretty bratty. But if you spend enough time on the internet, you will find people cringe-worthy. A lot of them are legitimately insane, as in potentially psychotic or schizophrenic. Rollo Tomassi used to get under my skin, but after Roosh V's mental breakdown, I wouldn't be surprised if Rollo has one too. He's halfway there already; his views are so intricate, they're like a schizophrenic person who 'sees' subliminal messages in newspapers.
So if you're still addicted to rage-bait, don't worry too much; you'll probably grow out of it.
Edit: formatting.
Edit 2: typo.
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2024.02.24 23:22 SanderSo47 Directors at the Box Office: Joel & Ethan Coen

Directors at the Box Office: Joel & Ethan Coen
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Here's a new edition of "Directors at the Box Office", which seeks to explore the directors' trajectory at the box office and analyze their hits and bombs. I already talked about a few, and as I promised, it's Joel and Ethan Coen's turn.
The Coens developed an early interest in cinema through television. They grew up watching Italian films aired on a Minneapolis station, the Tarzan films, and comedies. With a camera, they remade movies they saw on television. Joel started in the industry by becoming an assistant editor, while Ethan was finishing an undergraduate degree in philosophy. Eventually, their attention turned to directing.
From a box office perspective, how reliable were they to deliver a box office hit?
That's the point of this post. To analyze their career.

Blood Simple (1984)

"Passion led to adultery. Adultery led to murder. It all seemed so simple."
Their directorial debut. It stars John Getz, Frances McDormand, Dan Hedaya, and M. Emmet Walsh. Its plot follows a Texas bartender who finds himself in the midst of a murder plot when his boss discovers that he is having a love affair with his wife and he hires a private investigator to kill the couple but the investigator has his own agenda.
The Coens were ready to become directors, but they lacked experience and money. So they shot a preemptive dummy theatrical trailer for the film, which showed "a man dragging a shovel alongside a car stopped in the middle of the road, back towards another man he was going to kill" and "a shot of backlit gun holes in a wall." The trailer featured actor Bruce Campbell, playing the Julian Marty role, and was shot by recent film school graduate Barry Sonnenfeld.
An investor decided to finance the film, helping them in finding contacts in the industry and raising the needed $1.5 million budget. While they directed the film, only Joel was credited as the director, and Ethan is credited as the sole producer. This is due to the DGA rules that disallowed multiple director credits to prevent dilution of the position's significance. The only exception to this rule is if the co-directors are an "established duo", and they were still unknowns back here.
The film didn't perform well at the box office, although a subsequent re-release in 2000 allowed it to finally recoup its budget. Critics raved over the film, indicating a promising career for the Coens.
  • Budget: $1,500,000.
  • Domestic gross: $3,851,855.
  • Worldwide gross: $4,229,114.

Raising Arizona (1987)

"Their lawless years are behind them. Their child-rearing years lay ahead..."
Their second film. It stars Nicolas Cage, Holly Hunter, Trey Wilson, William Forsythe, John Goodman, Frances McDormand, Sam McMurray, and Randall "Tex" Cobb. The film follows Herbert 'Hi' and Edwina 'Ed' McDunnough, an ex-con and ex-cop, a childless marriage who cannot adopt because of Hi's criminal past. Their yearning for a child leads them to kidnap one of the quintuplets of a rich businessman.
The Coens wanted to deviate from their previous film by making something more optimistic and upbeat. They wrote the characters to be very sympathetic, and focusing on Hi's desire to live a regular life within the boundaries of the law. As Circle Films, the distributor of Blood Simple, gave them a $5 million budget, the Coens extensively prepared to not waste any money. Through Circle Films, they got a major distributor, 20th Century Fox, involved.
The relationship between Nicolas Cage and the Coens was respectful, but turbulent. When he arrived on-set, and at various other points during production, Cage offered suggestions to the Coen brothers, which they ignored. Cage said that "Joel and Ethan have a very strong vision and I've learned how difficult it is to accept another artist's vision. They have an autocratic nature."
Helped by Fox's distribution, the film easily recouped its budget, earning $29 million in its initial run. Critical reception was very favorable, and has appeared in many lists as one of the funniest comedies. The film has also become popular through cable reruns.
  • Budget: $5,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $22,847,564.
  • Worldwide gross: $29,180,280.

Miller's Crossing (1990)

"What's the rumpus?"
Their third film. It stars Gabriel Byrne, Marcia Gay Harden, John Turturro, Jon Polito, J. E. Freeman, and Albert Finney. The plot concerns a power struggle between two rival gangs and how the protagonist, Tom Reagan, plays both sides against each other.
As they developed the film, they already had a first image set in stone. It was that of a black hat coming to rest in a forest clearing; then, a gust of wind lifts it into the air, sending it flying down an avenue of trees. This image closes the film's opening credit sequence. As they wrote the script, they developed writer's block due to the film's contrived storylines. After watching Baby Boom one night, they felt inspired in writing another screenplay in just three weeks, and then resumed work in Miller's Crossing.
The film fared very poorly, earning only $5 million, barely half of its budget. But it continued the Coens' critical acclaim run.
  • Budget: $10,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $5,080,409.
  • Worldwide gross: $5,080,409.

Barton Fink (1991)

"There's only one thing stranger than what's going on inside his head. What's going on outside."
Their fourth film. It stars John Turturro, John Goodman, Judy Davis, Michael Lerner, John Mahoney, and Jon Polito. Set in 1941, it follows Barton Fink, a young New York City playwright who is hired to write scripts for a film studio in Hollywood, and his friendship with Charlie Meadows, the insurance salesman who lives next door at the run-down Hotel Earle.
As mentioned, the Coens developed writer's block while writing Miller's Crossing, although Joel states that it was more their interest in deviating from the film. They left for New York, where they wrote a different film in just 3 weeks, wanting John Turturro and John Goodman to star. They also felt satisfied with the overall shape of the story, which helped them move quickly through the composition. The Coens began looking for a new cinematographer, since their associate Barry Sonnenfeld was making his directorial debut with The Addams Family, and this marked their first collaboration with Roger Deakins.
The film premiered at the Cannes Film Festival, where it won three awards: Best Actor, Best Director and the Palme d'Or. It received acclaim for its script and characters, and was hailed as one of the Coens' best films. But that didn't translate to a good box office run; it made just $6 million, failing to recoup its budget.
  • Budget: $9,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $6,153,939.
  • Worldwide gross: $6,153,939.

The Hudsucker Proxy (1994)

"They took him for a fall guy. But he threw them for a hoop."
Their fifth film. It stars Tim Robbins, Jennifer Jason Leigh, and Paul Newman, and follows a naïve but ambitious business school graduate who is installed as president of a manufacturing company, unaware that the director hires him as part of a stock scam.
The Coens were friends with Sam Raimi, having collaborated in some of his films. They decided to make a script, inspired by the films of Preston Sturges, Frank Capra and Howard Hawks. The first image the Coens and Raimi conceived was of Norville Barnes about to jump from the window of a skyscraper and then they had to figure out how he got there and how to save him. The script was finished by 1985, but it sat on the shelves as the Coens were still unknowns in the industry. After Barton Fink, they decided to make a more mainstream film and did a brief rewrite with Raimi. Joel Silver got Warner Bros. involved and gave the Coens complete creative control.
WB held test screenings, which received mixed reactions. They suggested re-shoots, but the Coens, who held final cut privilege, refused because they were very nervous working with their biggest budget to date and were eager for mainstream success. The producers eventually added footage that had been cut and also shot minor pick-ups for the ending.
While the Coens received acclaim for their previous works, that wasn't the case here. It received mixed reviews, with critics feeling the film did not live up to its ambitions and that the film's jarring tone made it difficult to fully connect with the story and characters. And despite their attempt in making a more mainstream project, it bombed with just $14 million worldwide. In subsequent years, the film has earned a cult following.
  • Budget: $25,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $2,816,518.
  • Worldwide gross: $14,938,149.

Fargo (1996)

"A homespun murder story."
Their sixth film. It stars Frances McDormand, William H. Macy, Steve Buscemi, Harve Presnell, and Peter Stormare. It follows Marge Gunderson, a pregnant Minnesota police chief investigating a triple homicide that takes place after a desperate car salesman hires two criminals to kidnap his wife in order to extort a hefty ransom from her wealthy father.
The film opens with the following text:
"This is a true story. The events depicted in this film took place in Minnesota in 1987. At the request of the survivors, the names have been changed. Out of respect for the dead, the rest has been told exactly as it occurred."
But obviously, everything on the film is ficticious. Regarding this apparent discrepancy, the Coen brothers said that they based their script on an actual criminal event, but wrote a fictional story around it. Joel said "If an audience believes that something's based on a real event, it gives you permission to do things they might otherwise not accept."
While their past three films were box office duds, the Coens finally had some luck here. It had a slow start, but the film eventually found an audience. It earned $60 million worldwide, becoming their highest grossing film. It received acclaim from critics and audiences, and is widely considered as one of the best films, not just from the Coens but of the 90s as well. The film received 7 Oscar nominations, including Best Picture and Best Director. The Coens won their first Oscar for Best Original Screenplay, while Frances McDormand won Best Actress.
In 1997, a pilot based on the film was filmed with Edie Falco playing Gunderson. It didn't involve the Coens in any way, and it never moved forward. In 2014, FX aired another series based on the film, now helmed by Noah Hawley and connected to the film. The anthology series has received acclaim, won multiple awards and has just finished its fifth season. While the Coens are credited as executive producers, they have pretty much no involvement in the series. Back in 2016, Joel had this to say:
“We’re just not very interested. I mean, we’re perfectly happy with it. We have no problem with it. It just feels divorced from our film somehow. We work short. Our longest movie [No Country For Old Men] is 2 hours, 2 minutes. It’s just not how we think about stories. I mean, after two hours with a character we feel we’re pretty much done with them.”
  • Budget: $7,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $24,611,975.
  • Worldwide gross: $60,611,975.

The Big Lebowski (1998)

"Times like these call for a Big Lebowski."
Their seventh film. It stars Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Sam Elliott, Julianne Moore, Steve Buscemi, John Turturro, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Tara Reid, David Thewlis, Peter Stormare, Jon Polito, and Ben Gazzara. It follows Jeffrey "The Dude" Lebowski, a Los Angeles slacker and avid bowler. He is assaulted as a result of mistaken identity, then learns that a millionaire, also named Jeffrey Lebowski, was the intended victim. The millionaire Lebowski's trophy wife is supposedly kidnapped, and millionaire Lebowski commissions The Dude to deliver the ransom to secure her release. The plan goes awry when the Dude's friend, Walter Sobchak, schemes to keep the ransom money for the Dude and himself.
The film was inspired by Jeff Dowd, an American film producer and political activist the Coen brothers met while they were trying to find distribution for Blood Simple. The Dude was modeled after him and another friend of the Coens, Peter Exline, a Vietnam War veteran who reportedly lived in a dump of an apartment and was proud of a little rug that "tied the room together". The Coens wanted to make something similar to the works of Raymond Chandler, particularly his adaptation of The Long Goodbye.
Contrary to popular belief, it wasn't a flop. In fact, it even tripled its budget, and that's before we even get to its big performance on DVD and cable reruns. Initial reactions were mixed, but the film quickly earned a cult following, and it's now one of their most iconic films. Many of its characters and quotes have become part of pop culture.
  • Budget: $15,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $19,301,403.
  • Worldwide gross: $48,057,425.

O Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000)

"They have a plan, but not a clue."
Their eighth film. Loosely based on Homer's The Odyssey, it stars George Clooney, John Turturro, Tim Blake Nelson, Chris Thomas King, John Goodman, Holly Hunter, and Charles Durning. The film is set in rural Mississippi in 1937, and it follows three escaped convicts searching for hidden treasure while a sheriff relentlessly pursues them.
The Coens decided to make a different version of the Odyssey, as they considered it "one of their favorite storyline schemes". But despite that, the Coens actually never read the epic, and they were only familiar with its content through adaptations and numerous references in popular culture. According to the brothers, Tim Blake Nelson (who has a degree in classics from Brown University) was the only person on the set who had read the Odyssey.
The Coens used digital color correction to give the film a sepia-tinted look. Initially the crew tried to perform the color correction using a physical process, but after several tries with various chemical processes proved unsatisfactory the process was performed digitally. Roger Deakins spent 11 weeks fine-tuning the look, mainly targeting the greens, making them a burnt yellow and desaturating the overall image in the digital files. This made it the first feature film to be entirely color corrected by digital means.
The film enjoyed some pretty good reviews, and it managed to find an audience in theaters, earning $71 million and becoming their new highest grossing film. But the crazy thing is that the soundtrack overshadowed the film in success. By early 2001, it had sold 5 million copies, spawned a documentary film, three follow-up albums, two concert tours, and won Country Music Awards for Album of the Year and Single of the Year (for "Man of Constant Sorrow"). It also won five Grammys, including Album of the Year, and hit #1 on the Billboard album charts the week of March 15, 2002, 63 weeks after its release and over a year after the release of the film.
  • Budget: $26,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $45,512,588.
  • Worldwide gross: $71,870,729.

The Man Who Wasn't There (2001)

"The last thing on his mind is murder."
Their ninth film. It stars Billy Bob Thornton, Frances McDormand, Michael Badalucco, Richard Jenkins, Scarlett Johansson, Jon Polito, Tony Shalhoub, and James Gandolfini. The film is set in 1949 and tells the story of Ed Crane, a withdrawn barber who leads an ordinary life in a small California town with his wife, who he suspects is having an affair with her boss. Crane's situation changes when a stranger comes to the barbershop and offers him the opportunity to join him as a partner in a promising new business, in exchange for an investment of ten thousand dollars. Drawn to the idea, Crane plans to blackmail his wife's lover for the money.
While filming a barbershop scene in The Hudsucker Proxy, the Coens were attracted to a poster on the wall showing all the different 1940s-style haircuts. They were inspired by the work of writer James M. Cain, in particular, the novels Double Indemnity, The Postman Always Rings Twice, and Mildred Pierce. Despite being a neo-noir story, The Coens replaced the underworld setting with a typical American town with ordinary people.
The film was well received by critics, but failed to recoup its $20 million budget.
  • Budget: $20,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $7,504,257.
  • Worldwide gross: $18,916,623.

Intolerable Cruelty (2003)

"Engage the enemy."
Their tenth film. The film stars George Clooney, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Geoffrey Rush, Cedric the Entertainer, Edward Herrmann, Paul Adelstein, Richard Jenkins and Billy Bob Thornton, and follows Miles Massey, a high-profile divorce lawyer, who wins a case for his rich but adulterous client Rex Rexroth. But Rex's ex-wife, Marylin, who is no saint and is a gold-digger, plots to take revenge on Miles.
This project actually wasn't started by the Coens. It originated from writers John Romano, Robert Ramsey and Matthew Stone. This was constantly scripted through the 90s, with Carrie Fisher even serving as script doctor. Ron Howard backed out and Jonathan Demme signed, and the plan was for Julia Roberts and Hugh Grant to star. After they exited, the Coens were hired for a rewrite and they subsequently directed the project. They were given a $60 million budget, their most expensive film back then.
The film failed to impress domestically, although it was much stronger overseas, managing to double its budget and becoming their first film to hit $100 million. Reviews were positive, although many noted that the film was solely a job-for-hire for the Coens.
  • Budget: $60,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $35,327,628.
  • Worldwide gross: $120,801,243.

The Ladykillers (2004)

"The greatest criminal minds of all time have finally met their match."
Their 11th film. A remake of the 1955 British comedy film, it stars Tom Hanks, Irma P. Hall, Marlon Wayans, J. K. Simmons, Tzi Ma and Ryan Hurst. It follows an eccentric, if not charming Southern professor and his crew as they pose as a classical ensemble in order to rob a casino, all under the nose of his unsuspecting but sharp old landlady.
Originally, Barry Sonnenfeld was scheduled to direct and the Coens were hired as writers. When he left the project, the Coens decided to direct it themselves while Sonnenfeld remained as a producer. Notably, after 20 years of fighting with the DGA, this was the first film where Ethan was co-credited as director and where Joel was co-credited as producer.
The film was not well received by critics, who compared it unfavorably to the original film. Nevertheless, with a reliable star as Hanks, the film earned more than twice its budget. To date, it's deemed as one of the Coens' weakest films.
  • Budget: $35,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $39,799,191.
  • Worldwide gross: $76,665,191.

No Country for Old Men (2007)

"There are no clean getaways."
Their 12th film. Based on Cormac McCarthy's novel, it stars Tommy Lee Jones, Javier Bardem, Josh Brolin, Kelly Macdonald and Woody Harrelson. The film is set in the desert landscape of 1980 West Texas, and follows three main characters: Llewelyn Moss, a Vietnam War veteran and welder who stumbles upon a large sum of money in the desert; Anton Chigurh, a hitman who is sent to recover the money; and Ed Tom Bell, a sheriff investigating the crime.
After failing to get an adaptation of To the White Sea, the Coens agreed to write and direct the film when Scott Rudin approached them, having identified with how it provided a sense of place and also how it played with genre conventions. The script was mostly faithful to the source material. On their writing process, Ethan said, "One of us types into the computer while the other holds the spine of the book open flat." The Coens minimized the score used in the film, leaving large sections devoid of music. The concept was Ethan's, who persuaded a skeptical Joel to go with the idea.
Coincidentally, Paul Thomas Anderson’s film There Will Be Blood was being shot in Marfa simultaneously. The Coen brothers were actually forced to scrap an entire day of filming for their film when preparations for the oil derrick scene in There Will Be Blood nearby produced enough smoke to ruin all potential scenes.
The film had a strong debut in limited release, earning $1,226,333 from just 28 theaters. It slowly expanded and had strong holds. Domestically, it finished with $74 million, and it was even bigger overseas, hitting $171 million worldwide, becoming their highest grossing film. Reception was unanimously acclaimed, and some have pointed that the film might be their best film, as well as one of the best films ever made. At the 80th Academy Awards, the film received 8 nominations and won four: Best Supporting Actor for Javier Bardem, and Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Director and Best Picture for the Coens.
  • Budget: $25,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $74,283,625.
  • Worldwide gross: $171,627,740.

Burn After Reading (2008)

"Intelligence is relative."
Their 13th film. It stars George Clooney, Frances McDormand, John Malkovich, Tilda Swinton, Richard Jenkins, and Brad Pitt. It follows a recently jobless CIA analyst, Osbourne Cox, whose misplaced memoirs are found by a pair of dimwitted gym employees. When they mistake the memoirs for classified government documents, they undergo a series of misadventures in an attempt to profit from their find.
The Coens compared the film to the Allen Drury political novel Advise and Consent and called it "our version of a Tony Scott/Jason Bourne kind of movie, without the explosions." Joel said that they intended to create a spy film because "we hadn't done one before", but feels that the final result was more of a character-driven film than a spy story.
The film received a positive response for its humor. The big surprise was at the box office, however; it debuted with $19 million, becoming their highest grossing opening weekend and their first film to open at #1. It closed with $60 million domestically and $163 million worldwide, a damn great result.
  • Budget: $37,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $60,355,347.
  • Worldwide gross: $163,728,902.

A Serious Man (2009)

"...Seriously!"
Their 14th film. Set in 1967, the film stars Michael Stuhlbarg as a Minnesotan Jewish man whose life crumbles both professionally and personally, leading him to questions about his faith.
The Coens themselves stated that the "germ" of the story was a rabbi from their adolescence: a "mysterious figure" who had a private conversation with each student at the conclusion of their religious education. Ethan said that it seemed appropriate to open the film with a Yiddish folk tale, but as the brothers did not know any suitable ones, they wrote their own.
The film received critical acclaim, and some commented on the link between the film and the Biblical Book of Job. It also recouped its budget at the box office. It received two Oscar nominations for Best Original Screenplay and Best Picture.
  • Budget: $7,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $9,228,768.
  • Worldwide gross: $31,430,334.

True Grit (2010)

"Punishment comes one way or another."
Their 15th film. Based on Charles Portis' novel, it stars Jeff Bridges, Hailee Steinfeld, Matt Damon, Josh Brolin, and Barry Pepper. The film follows 14-year-old farm girl Mattie Ross, who hires Deputy U.S. Marshal Reuben J. "Rooster" Cogburn, a boozy, trigger-happy lawman to go after an outlaw named Tom Chaney who has murdered her father. The bickering duo are accompanied on their quest by a Texas Ranger named LaBoeuf who has been tracking Chaney for killing a Texas state senator. As the three embark on a dangerous adventure, they each have their "grit" tested in various ways.
The book was previously adapted into a 1969 film starring John Wayne (who won his first and only Oscar for it). The Coens said they wanted to make a more faithful adaptation, as the original film heavily deviated from the book. In particular, they wanted to explore more of Mattie, making it a priority at the moment of writing. Steinfeld, then age 13, was selected for the role from a pool of 15,000 applicants. Ethan said, "It was, as you can probably imagine, the source of a lot of anxiety. We were aware if the kid doesn't work, there's no movie".
The film received critical acclaim, widely considered superior to the original film. At the box office, it benefitted from the holidays and earned $252 million worldwide, becoming their highest grossing film ever. It received 10 Oscar nominations, including Best Picture, but it failed to win a single award.
  • Budget: $35,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $171,243,005.
  • Worldwide gross: $252,276,927.

Inside Llewyn Davis (2013)

Their 16th film. It stars Oscar Isaac, Carey Mulligan, John Goodman, Garrett Hedlund, F. Murray Abraham, Justin Timberlake and Adam Driver. Set in 1961, the film follows one week in the life of Llewyn Davis, a folk singer struggling to achieve musical success while keeping his life in order.
Well before writing the script, the Coens began with a single idea, of Dave Van Ronk being beaten up outside of Gerde's Folk City in the Village. The filmmakers employed the image in the opening scenes, then periodically returned to the project over the next couple of years to expand the story using a fictional character. Joel felt there wasn't much of a plot, so they decided to add the cat for help.
Like their previous films, it received universal acclaim and has been ranked among their greatest works. It also earned $33 million, becoming another box office success for the Coens.
  • Budget: $11,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $13,235,319.
  • Worldwide gross: $32,960,249.

Hail, Caesar! (2016)

"Lights. Camera. Abduction."
Their 17th film. It stars Josh Brolin, George Clooney, Alden Ehrenreich, Ralph Fiennes, Jonah Hill, Scarlett Johansson, Frances McDormand, Tilda Swinton, Channing Tatum, and Michael Gambon. It is a fictional story that follows the real-life studio fixer Eddie Mannix, working in the Hollywood film industry in the 1950s, trying to discover what happened to a star actor during the filming of a biblical epic.
In 1999, the Coens approached Clooney over a new project. The film was originally going to follow "a troupe of actors in the 1920s putting on a play about ancient Rome", with the focus on a matinée idol. Clooney was to play the main character, "a hammy actor with a pencil mustache". But the project was just an idea, and the script didn't start until the 2010s.
The film received a positive response from critics, but a more negative response from audiences. Nevertheless, the film earned $63 million, recouping its budget.
  • Budget: $22,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $30,498,085.
  • Worldwide gross: $63,945,241.

The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (2018)

"Stories live forever. People don't."
Their 18th film. It stars Tim Blake Nelson, Tyne Daly, James Franco, Brendan Gleeson, Bill Heck, Grainger Hines, Zoe Kazan, Harry Melling, Liam Neeson, Jonjo O'Neill, Chelcie Ross, Saul Rubinek, and Tom Waits, and features six vignettes set on the American frontier.
Originally starting as a TV show, it was based on Western-themed short stories, some of which were written by the Coens over a period of 20 to 25 years that vary in mood and subject. As they developed it, they decided to turn it into an anthology film.
As the film was released on Netflix, there are no box office numbers available. It received positive reviews, and the song "When a Cowboy Trades His Spurs for Wings" was nominated for Best Original Song at the Oscars.

The Tragedy of Macbeth (2021)

Joel's 19th film. Based on the play by William Shakespeare, it stars Denzel Washington, Frances McDormand, Bertie Carvel, Alex Hassell, Corey Hawkins, Harry Melling, Kathryn Hunter, and Brendan Gleeson.
It's notable for being the first project directed solely by one brother. You'll point out their earliest films, but remember that Ethan was simply uncredited due to DGA rules. Carter Burwell said that it was because Ethan was not interested in films, but Joel explained that it was solely because Ethan was more focused on theater.
As it had a very limited release by A24, it went to stream on Apple TV+ after a few weeks, so there are no box office numbers. It received critical acclaim, and Washington was nominated for Best Actor at the Oscars.

The Future

Ethan had just recently released his first film without his brother, Drive-Away Dolls. As it's only two days old, we won't discuss this here for now. He's also currently working on a new film, Honey Don't!, which will star Margaret Qualley, Aubrey Plaza and Chris Evans.
But despite making separate films, the Coens are reuniting with a new film, only described as a horror film.

Other Projects

While known as a director-writer duo, they've also made scripts for films they never directed. Some include Crimewave, Bad Santa, A Simple Noodle Story, Gambit, Unbroken, Bridge of Spies and Suburbicon. It should be noted, however, that most of these were rewritten after the Coens left the projects.

MOVIES (FROM HIGHEST GROSSING TO LEAST GROSSING)

No. Movie Year Studio Domestic Total Overseas Total Worldwide Total Budget
1 True Grit 2010 Paramount $171,243,005 $81,033,922 $252,276,927 $35M
2 No Country for Old Men 2007 Miramax / Paramount $74,283,625 $97,344,115 $171,627,740 $25M
3 Burn After Reading 2008 Focus Features $60,355,347 $103,373,555 $163,728,902 $37M
4 Intolerable Cruelty 2003 Universal $35,327,628 $85,473,615 $120,801,243 $60M
5 The Ladykillers 2004 Disney $39,799,191 $36,866,000 $76,665,191 $35M
6 O Brother, Where Art Thou? 2000 Disney / Universal $45,512,588 $26,358,141 $71,870,729 $26M
7 Hail, Caesar! 2016 Universal $30,498,085 $33,447,156 $63,945,241 $22M
8 Fargo 1996 Gramercy $24,611,975 $36,000,000 $60,611,975 $7M
9 The Big Lebowski 1998 Gramercy $19,301,403 $28,756,022 $48,057,425 $15M
10 Inside Llewyn Davis 2013 CBS Films $13,235,319 $19,724,930 $32,960,249 $11M
11 A Serious Man 2009 Focus Features $9,228,768 $22,201,566 $31,430,334 $7M
12 Raising Arizona 1987 Fox $22,847,564 $6,332,716 $29,180,280 $5M
13 The Man Who Wasn't There 2001 USA Films $7,504,257 $11,412,366 $18,916,623 $20M
14 The Hudsucker Proxy 1994 Warner Bros. / Universal $2,816,518 $12,121,631 $14,938,149 $25M
15 Barton Fink 1991 Fox $6,153,939 $0 $6,153,939 $9M
16 Miller's Crossing 1990 Fox $5,080,409 $0 $5,080,409 $10M
17 Blood Simple 1984 Circle Films $3,851,855 $377,259 $4,229,114 $1.5M
They made 19 films, but only 17 went to theaters. Across those 17 films, they have made $1,172,474,470 worldwide. That's $68,969,086 per movie.

The Verdict

Surprisingly reliable.
Very few of their films lost money, and the ones that didn't weren't completely catastrophic. Hell, their films even grow in subsequent years (like The Big Lebowski for example). Particularly impressive considering they don't sacrifice their vision (people will point out Intolerable Cruelty but that film still has its charms). They managed to create masterpieces and some of cinema's most iconic characters and catchphrases. And for those who say otherwise... yeah, well, you know, that's just like uh... your opinion, man.
Hope you liked this edition. You can find this and more in the wiki for this section.
The next director will be Bryan Singer. This is gonna be tough to write; how can I write about his achievements when there's the elephant in the room?
I asked you to choose who else should be in the run and the comment with the most upvotes would be chosen. Well, we'll later talk about... Spike Lee. Hell yeah.
This is the schedule for the following four:
Week Director Reasoning
February 26-March 3 Bryan Singer A tough one to write.
March 4-10 Kathryn Bigelow Any Strange Days fan here? Hello?
March 11-17 M. Night Shyamalan There's no adaptation in Ba Sing Se.
March 18-24 Spike Lee Is he really to blame for the lame Oldboy remake?
Who should be next after Lee? That's up to you.
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2024.02.17 23:19 SanderSo47 Directors at the Box Office: Joel Schumacher

Directors at the Box Office: Joel Schumacher

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Here's a new edition of "Directors at the Box Office", which seeks to explore the directors' trajectory at the box office and analyze their hits and bombs. I already talked about a few, and as I promised, it's Joel Schumacher's turn.
Schumacher had a difficult life as he was growing up. By the time he was 9 years old, he was already drinking alcohol and later used LSD and methamphetamine. At the time of his mother's death in 1965, Schumacher stated that his "life seemed like a joke" as he was $50,000 in debt, lost multiple teeth, and only weighed 130 pounds. However, in 1970, he stopped using drugs and became employed at Henri Bendel, where he said got his self-respect back. He started working in the industry as a costume designer, before moving as a director.
From a box office perspective, how reliable was he to deliver a box office hit?
That's the point of this post. To analyze his career.

The Incredible Shrinking Woman (1981)

"Give or take an inch."
His directorial debut. It stars Lily Tomlin, Charles Grodin, Ned Beatty, John Glover, and Elizabeth Wilson, and follows a housewife who grows smaller and smaller in reaction to chemicals found in cosmetics and household products.
Originally, the film started filming with John Landis as director. In his version, the movie would have ended with the heroine giving a speech in Washington, D.C. when she was less than a foot tall. After a few days, he left as Universal chose to make budget cuts, and they hired Schumacher with a smaller scale.
The film received negative reviews, who unfavorably compared it to The Incredible Shrinking Man, the film it was lampooning. Even with the budget cuts, the film had a mediocre run at the box office, barely doubling its budget. But it's tough in blaming him for this, given that he only had a few days to prepare.
  • Budget: $10,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $20,259,961.
  • Worldwide gross: $20,259,961.

D.C. Cab (1983)

"When these guys hit the streets, guess what hits the fan."
His second film. It stars Max Gail, Adam Baldwin, Mr. T, Charlie Barnett, Gary Busey, Marsha Warfield, Whitman Mayo, John Diehl, Bob Zmuda, Timothy Carey, Bill Maher, and Irene Cara, and follows the misadventures of a group of unfortunate but streetwise cabbies working for a Washington, D.C., decrepit taxicab company.
Like the previous film, it received negative reviews for its writing and tone. It also barely doubled its budget, but Schumacher really needed to start making hits if he wanted to have a career.
  • Budget: $8,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $16,134,627.
  • Worldwide gross: $16,134,627.

St. Elmo's Fire (1985)

"The heat this summer is at Saint Elmo's Fire."
His third film. It stars Emilio Estevez, Rob Lowe, Andrew McCarthy, Demi Moore, Judd Nelson, Ally Sheedy, Andie MacDowell and Mare Winningham, and centers on a clique of recent graduates of Washington, D.C.'s Georgetown University, and their adjustment to post-university life and the responsibilities of adulthood.
Schumacher said that the film struggled in finding a studio interested, with the head of a major studio calling the cast "the most loathsome humans he had ever read on the page." John Hughes recommended Estevez, Nelson and Sheedy after working with them on The Breakfast Club, and Schumacher had to push hard against the studio executives in casting them.
Like his previous films, it attained poor reviews. The good news, however, is that it would gross $37 million domestically, becoming his first hit. It's seen as an example of the Brat Pack movies.
  • Budget: $10,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $37,803,872.
  • Worldwide gross: $37,803,872.

The Lost Boys (1987)

"Sleep all day. Party all night. Never grow old. Never die. It's fun to be a vampire."
His fourth film. It stars Corey Feldman, Jami Gertz, Corey Haim, Edward Herrmann, Barnard Hughes, Jason Patric, Kiefer Sutherland and Dianne Wiest, and follows two teenage brothers who move with their divorced mother to the town of Santa Carla, California, only to discover that the town is a haven for vampires.
The co-writer, James Jeremias, said he was inspired by Peter Pan in the making of the script, "I had read Anne Rice’s Interview with the Vampire, and in that there was a 200-year-old vampire trapped in the body of a 12-year-old girl. Since Peter Pan had been one of my all-time favourite stories, I thought, 'What if the reason Peter Pan came out at night and never grew up and could fly was because he was a vampire?"
Originally, Richard Donner would direct the film, which would carry a tone similar to The Goonies. In this way the film was envisioned as more of a juvenile vampire adventure with 13 or 14 year old vampires, while the Frog brothers were "chubby 8 year-old Cub Scouts" and the character of Star was a young boy. But Donner had to leave due to other commitments, so Schumacher replaced him. He came up with the idea of making the film sexier and more adult, bringing on screenwriter Jeffrey Boam to retool the script and raise the ages of the characters.
After directing poorly reviewed films, this was Schumacher's first film to receive a very good response. It was also a box office success, earning $32 million domestically.
  • Budget: $8,500,000.
  • Domestic gross: $32,222,567.
  • Worldwide gross: $32,222,567.

Cousins (1989)

"Love at first sight. Consequences to follow."
His fifth film. A remake of the French film Cousin Cousine, it stars Ted Danson, Isabella Rossellini, Sean Young, William Petersen, Keith Coogan, Lloyd Bridges and Norma Aleandro. It follows two couples who go to a mutual friend's wedding and end up swapping partners.
The film drew mixed reviews, as many considered that it was an unnecessary remake. It made $22 million domestically.
  • Budget: N/A.
  • Domestic gross: $22,026,369.
  • Worldwide gross: $22,026,369.

Flatliners (1990)

"Some lines shouldn't be crossed."
His sixth film. It stars Kiefer Sutherland, Julia Roberts, William Baldwin, Oliver Platt, and Kevin Bacon, and follows five medical students who attempt to find out what lies beyond death by conducting clandestine experiments that produce near-death experiences.
The film drew mixed reactions, as critics felt it did not live up to its potential. But it was a box office success, earning $61 million domestically.
  • Budget: $26,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $61,489,265.
  • Worldwide gross: $61,489,265.

Dying Young (1991)

"She's giving him something nobody else could. A reason to live."
His seventh film. stars Julia Roberts, Campbell Scott, Vincent D'Onofrio, Colleen Dewhurst, David Selby, and Ellen Burstyn, and follows a caregiver who falls in love with a terminally ill man.
The film received negative reviews, with critics panning its melodramatic tone. But as the film starred Julia Roberts after the huge hit that was Pretty Woman, this was a box office success, earning $82 million worldwide.
  • Budget: $18,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $33,669,178.
  • Worldwide gross: $82,264,675.

Falling Down (1993)

"The adventures of an ordinary man at war with the everyday world."
His eighth film. It stars Michael Douglas, Robert Duvall, Barbara Hershey, Rachel Ticotin, Frederic Forrest, and Tuesday Weld. It follows William Foster, a divorced and unemployed former defense engineer. It centers on Foster's trek across the city of Los Angeles as he attempts to reach the house of his estranged ex-wife in time for his daughter's birthday. Along the way, a series of encounters, both trivial and provocative, cause him to react with increasing violence and to make sardonic observations on life, poverty, the economy, and commercialism.
Screenwriter Ebbe Roe Smith said that he wanted to make something that would represent the old times in modern times, "To me, even though the movie deals with complicated urban issues, it really is just about one basic thing: The main character represents the old power structure of the U.S. that has now become archaic, and hopelessly lost. For both of them, it's adjust-or-die time." While filming, the 1992 Los Angeles riots began, causing delays in the production.
The film polarized critics on its initial release, particularly for its violence and protagonist. But given that it had a reliable box office star like Michael Douglas, it was a huge success, earning almost $100 million. That makes it six box office successes in a row for Schumacher, so he was clearly doing something right. In subsequent years, the film's reputation would grow, thanks to its themes.
  • Budget: $25,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $40,903,593.
  • Worldwide gross: $96,903,593.

The Client (1994)

"A district attorney out for a conviction. A new lawyer out of her league. A young boy who knew too much."
His ninth film. Based on John Grisham's novel, it stars Susan Sarandon, Tommy Lee Jones, Brad Renfro (his acting film debut), Mary-Louise Parker, Anthony LaPaglia, Anthony Edwards, and Ossie Davis. It follows a young boy who witnesses the suicide of a mafia lawyer, and hires an attorney to protect him when the District Attorney tries to use him to take down a mob family.
The film drew positive reviews from critics. As John Grisham's adaptations were very popular, this film enjoyed success at the box office, earning $117 million worldwide. That's seven box office hits in a row for Schumacher.
  • Budget: $45,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $92,115,211.
  • Worldwide gross: $117,615,211.

Batman Forever (1995)

"Courage now. Truth always..."
His tenth film. The stand-alone sequel to Batman and Batman Returns, it stars Val Kilmer, Jim Carrey, Tommy Lee Jones, Nicole Kidman, Chris O'Donnell, Michael Gough, and Pat Hingle. The film's story focuses on Batman trying to stop Two-Face and the Riddler in their scheme to extract information from all the minds in Gotham City while adopting an orphaned acrobat named Dick Grayson — who becomes his sidekick, Robin — and developing feelings for psychologist Dr. Chase Meridian.
We discussed this in Tim Burton's post, but here we go again. Batman Returns was a box office success, but it was still considered disappointing given the huge $150 million drop from the original. It also drew backlash from parents, who deemed the film too dark for their children. Even McDonalds said this as they recalled their Happy Meal tie-in, so Warner Bros. concluded that this was the biggest setback. As such, they fired Tim Burton from directing the follow-up film, although Burton agreed to stay as a producer.
Schumacher was chosen as the new director, and Burton gave him his approval. He was interested in adaptating Batman: Year One, and Michael Keaton was also enthusiastic about the proposal. But WB shot down that aspect, and the film's intended focus on a psychotic Riddler was altered for a lighter version. Producer Peter MacGregor-Scott represented the studio's aim in making a film for the MTV Generation, with full merchandising appeal. Schumacher mostly eschewed the dark, dystopian atmosphere of Burton's films by drawing inspiration from the Batman comic books of the Dick Sprang era, as well as the 1960s television series.
But the film faced a big challenge, as Keaton chose not to return as the title character after meeting with Schumacher. He opened up about it:
“I remember one of the things that I walked away going, ‘Oh boy, I can’t do this,’ [Schumacher] asked me, ‘I don’t understand why everything has to be so dark and everything so sad,’ and I went, ‘Wait a minute, do you know how this guy got to be Batman? Have you read… I mean, it’s pretty simple.’ One of the reasons I couldn’t do [‘Batman Forever’] was he, at one point, after more than a couple of meetings where I kept trying to rationalize doing it and hopefully talking him into saying ‘I think we don’t want to go in this direction, I think we should go in this direction.’ And he wasn’t going to budge.”
The search for a new Batman began, with Ethan Hawke, Keanu Reeves, Alec and William Baldwin, Dean Cain, Tom Hanks, Kurt Russell, Ralph Fiennes, Daniel Day-Lewis and Johnny Depp considered. The latter was heavily pushed by Burton, but Schumacher was not enticed with the idea. Val Kilmer, who as a child visited the studios where the 1960s series was recorded, and shortly before had visited a bat cave in Africa, was contacted by his agent for the role. Kilmer signed on without reading the script or knowing who the director was.
For Two-Face, despite Billy Dee Williams playing him in the original Batman, Tommy Lee Jones was chosen to play him here (at his son's insistence). Robin Williams and John Malkovich competed for the role of Riddler, which eventually went to Jim Carrey. Leonardo DiCaprio was offered the role of Robin but turned it down after meeting with Schumacher. Schumacher attempted to create a cameo role for Bono as his MacPhisto character, but both came to agree it was not suitable for the film.
During filming, Schumacher and Kilmer clashed over their creative differences. Schumacher described Kilmer as "childish and impossible," reporting that he fought with various crewmen, and refused to speak to Schumacher for two weeks after the director told him to stop being rude. He also said he was annoyed by Jones' behavior on set, which also upset Carrey. Carrey acknowledged that Jones was not friendly to him, and recounted an incident wherein Jones found him off-set during the production, and told him: "I hate you. I really don't like you... I cannot sanction your buffoonery."
The film opened with $52 million in its opening weekend, which was a record at the time. It eventually closed with $184 million domestically and $336 million worldwide, both numbers up from Batman Returns but still below the original Batman. But the film received mixed-to-negative reviews, and was unfavorably compared to Burton's films.
  • Budget: $100,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $184,069,126.
  • Worldwide gross: $336,567,158.

A Time to Kill (1996)

"A lawyer and his assistant fighting to save a father on trial for murder. A time to question what they believe. A time to doubt what they trust. And no time for mistakes."
His 11th film. Based on John Grisham's novel, it stars Sandra Bullock, Samuel L. Jackson, Matthew McConaughey, Kevin Spacey, Donald Sutherland and Kiefer Sutherland. In Canton, Mississippi, a fearless young lawyer and his assistant defend a black man accused of murdering two white men who raped his ten-year-old daughter, inciting violent retribution and revenge from the Ku Klux Klan.
It received a favorable response, although critics disliked the 149-minute runtime. Decades later, Samuel L. Jackson was highly critical of the film's editorial decisions, claiming big, emotional scenes for his character were removed, which "kept me from getting an Oscar." But as Grisham was popular, the film was a box office success, earning $152 million worldwide. That's nine box office successes in a row for Schumacher. And the next one is the guaranteed hitmaker Batman, so that should be ten, right?
  • Budget: $40,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $108,766,007.
  • Worldwide gross: $152,266,007.

Batman & Robin (1997)

"Strength. Courage. Honor. And loyalty."
His 12th film. The sequel to Batman Forever, it stars George Clooney, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Chris O'Donnell, Uma Thurman and Alicia Silverstone. The film follows the eponymous characters as they attempt to prevent Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy from taking over the world, while at the same time struggling to keep their partnership together.
After the success of Batman Forever, Warner Bros. quickly commissioned a sequel with Schumacher back. Schumacher wanted to pay homage to the work of the classic Batman comic books of his childhood. The story was conceived by Schumacher and Akiva Goldsman during pre-production on A Time to Kill. Portions of Mr. Freeze's backstory were based on the Batman: The Animated Series episode "Heart of Ice", but Goldsman expressed concerns about the script during pre-production discussions with Schumacher. Schumacher stated that he was given the mandate by the studio to make the film more toyetic, even when compared to Batman Forever. The studio reportedly included toy companies in pre-production meetings; Mr. Freeze's blaster was specifically designed by toy manufacturers.
O'Donnell reprised his role, yet Kilmer didn't. Whether if it was because he quit or got fired, that's anyone's guess. WB executive Bob Daly suggested George Clooney, then a main cast member of the megahit show ER, as the title character. Schumacher chose Clooney after seeing his performance in From Dusk till Dawn. Schumacher felt that Clooney "brought a real humanity and humor to the piece, an accessibility that I don't think anybody else has been able to offer" and that he strongly resembled the character from the comic books. Schumacher also believed that Clooney could provide a lighter interpretation of the character than Kilmer and Michael Keaton. Filming was accommodated so that Clooney could simultaneously work on ER without any scheduling conflicts.
Mr. Freeze was written specifically to accommodate Arnold Schwarzenegger's casting. To prepare for the role, Schwarzenegger wore a bald cap after declining to shave his head, wore a blue LED in his mouth, and had acrylic paint applied. The blue LEDs had to be wrapped in balloons after battery acid started leaking into Schwarzenegger's mouth. His prosthetic makeup and wardrobe took six hours to apply each day. The extensive time spent on Schwarzenegger's costume significantly restricted his shooting time as his contract was limited to 12 work hours a day. For all of this, Schwarzenegger was paid a colossal $25 million salary for the role.
The film opened with $42 million, which was considered disappointing given the record-breaking openings of the franchise. While those films legged out, this one didn't, and it closed with just $107 million domestically and $238 million worldwide. That made it a box office flop, given the $125 million budget (with some even saying it actually cost $160 million) and another $125 million spent on marketing. How could this happen? Wasn't Batman a flop-proof character? Now it bombs? What does that mean for the future of the franchise or comic books in general? Schumacher criticized "prejudicial prerelease buzz" online and false news reports as a cause for the film's poor commercial performance.
He blamed, but perhaps he should have looked at his own work. The film was panned by critics and audiences, who disliked the acting, story, effects, dialogue, tone, etc. The nipples seen on the character's costumes remain among the most defining and mocked aspects of the film. It would be named as one of the worst comic books ever, as well as one of the worst films ever made. Kevin Feige said that the film may be the most important comic book film ever made in that it was "so bad that it demanded a new way of doing things" and created the opportunity to make X-Men and Spider-Man in a way that respected the source material to a higher degree.
Schumacher, Goldman and Clooney have all apologized for the film and have come to regret their participation. Tim Burton recently said about WB's decisions, "You complain about me, I'm too weird, I'm too dark, and then you put nipples on the costume? Go fuck yourself." In contrast, Schwarzenegger and Thurman have said they loved the experience and don't regret being part of the film.
During filming, WB was impressed with the dailies, prompting them to immediately hire Joel Schumacher to return as director for a fifth film, scheduled to be released in 1999. It was going to be titled Batman Unchained and would feature the Scarecrow as the main villain, who, through the use of his fear toxin, resurrects the Joker as a hallucination in Batman's mind. Harley Quinn would appear as a supporting character, written as the Joker's daughter. Schumacher approached Nicolas Cage to portray the Scarecrow while Courtney Love was considered for Harley Quinn. After the failure of the film, WB canceled the project and put the franchise on thin ice. It took someone else to bring back the character to his glory days, but we'll get to that later on.
  • Budget: $125,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $107,353,792.
  • Worldwide gross: $238,253,988.

8mm (1999)

"You can't prepare for where the truth will take you."
His 13th film. It stars Nicolas Cage,Joaquin Phoenix, James Gandolfini, Peter Stormare, and Anthony Heald, and follows a private investigator who delves into the world of snuff films.
The film was panned for its lack of suspense, but as it had Cage at the prime of his career, it still earned almost $100 million worldwide.
  • Budget: $40,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $36,663,315.
  • Worldwide gross: $96,618,699.

Flawless (1999)

"Nobody's perfect. Everybody's..."
His 14th film. It stars Robert De Niro, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Barry Miller, Chris Bauer, Wilson Jermaine Heredia, and Daphne Rubin-Vega, and follows an ultraconservative security guard who suffers a debilitating stroke and is assigned to a rehabilitative program that includes singing lessons with the drag queen next door.
The film was panned, and it didn't come anywhere close to recouping its budget, becoming his lowest grossing film so far.
  • Budget: $20,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $4,488,529.
  • Worldwide gross: $4,488,529.

Tigerland (2000)

"The system wanted them to become soldiers. One soldier just wanted to be human."
His 15th film. It stars Colin Farrell, Matthew Davis, Shea Whigham, Clifton Collins Jr., Thomas Guiry, and Cole Hauser. A group of recruits go through Advanced Infantry Training at Fort Polk, Louisiana's infamous Tigerland, last stop before Vietnam for tens of thousands of young men in 1971.
While it was well received, Fox dumped the project on very few theaters, making it a flop.
  • Budget: N/A.
  • Domestic gross: $139,692.
  • Worldwide gross: $148,701.

Bad Company (2002)

"Two mismatched partners. One messed up case."
His 16th film. It stars Anthony Hopkins and Chris Rock, and follows the assassination of an Ivy League-educated C.I.A. Agent during an operation, prompting the secret agency recruits his twin brother.
The film was originally slated to be released on December 25, 2001, but because of the 9/11 attacks, the film's release was postponed given the fact the film was about a terrorist attack on New York City. But it became a critical and commercial dud either way. This was his third flop in a row. Ouch.
  • Budget: $70,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $30,160,161.
  • Worldwide gross: $66,200,782.

Phone Booth (2003)

"Your life is on the line."
His 17th film. It stars Colin Farrell, Forest Whitaker, Katie Holmes, Radha Mitchell, and Kiefer Sutherland, and follows a malevolent hidden sniper who calls a phone booth, and when a young publicist inside answers the phone, he quickly finds his life is at risk.
The project actually started development back in the 1960s, when Larry Cohen wrote a script for Alfred Hitchcock. He wanted to make something like Rope, but now set in a phone booth. Hitchcock liked the idea, but the project did not move forward, because the two men were unable to devise a plot which explained why the action had to be restricted to the one location. Cohen didn't come up with an answer until the 90s, when Hitchcock already died. Schumacher signed up, and the film's real-time aspect and split screens mirrored the show 24, which starred Sutherland.
The film was a much needed win for Schumacher. It was well received, and earned almost $100 million worldwide.
  • Budget: $13,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $46,566,212.
  • Worldwide gross: $97,837,138.

Veronica Guerin (2003)

"Why would anyone want to kill Veronica Guerin?"
His 18th film. The film stars Cate Blanchett, and focuses on Irish journalist Veronica Guerin, whose investigation into the drug trade in Dublin led to her murder in 1996, at the age of 37.
The film received mixed reviews, feeling the film didn't make any justice to the character. And it only earned half of its budget. sigh
  • Budget: $17,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $1,571,504.
  • Worldwide gross: $9,439,660.

The Phantom of the Opera (2004)

"Her voice became his passion. Her love became his obsession. Her refusal became his rage."
His 19th film. Based on Andrew Lloyd Webber's musical, which in turn is based on the French novel by Gaston Leroux, it stars Gerard Butler, Emmy Rossum, Patrick Wilson, Miranda Richardson, Minnie Driver, Simon Callow, Ciarán Hinds, Victor McGuire, and Jennifer Ellison. A young soprano becomes the obsession of a disfigured and murderous musical genius who lives beneath the Paris Opéra House.
The film received mixed reviews, although the film still hit $154 million worldwide, becoming one of his highest grossing films.
  • Budget: $70,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $51,293,931.
  • Worldwide gross: $154,674,241.

The Number 23 (2007)

"The truth will kill you."
His 20th film. It stars Jim Carrey, Virginia Madsen, Logan Lerman, and Danny Huston, and follows a man who becomes obsessed with the 23 enigma once he reads about it in a strange book that seemingly mirrors his own life.
The film received awful reviews, although Carrey has praised the film as helping him expand into thriller territory. But it was a box office success, thanks to Carrey's star power.
  • Budget: $30,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $35,193,167.
  • Worldwide gross: $77,677,553.

Blood Creek (2009)

"In the early '40s, Adolf Hitler believed the occult held the secret to immortality. Almost a century later, the nightmare has awakened."
His 21st film. It stars Dominic Purcell and Henry Cavill, and follows two brothers on a mission of revenge who become trapped in a harrowing occult experiment dating back to the Third Reich.
The film was poorly received and was dumped by Lionsgate, so it was just another bomb.
  • Budget: N/A.
  • Domestic gross: $0.
  • Worldwide gross: $211,398.

Twelve (2010)

"No one needs anything here. It's all about want."
His 22nd film. Based on Nick McDonell's novel, it stars Chace Crawford, Rory Culkin, Curtis Jackson, Emily Meade, and Emma Roberts. The film follows a young drug dealer whose luxurious lifestyle falls apart after his cousin is murdered and his best friend is arrested for the crime.
Surprise surprise. Another critical and commercial dud.
  • Budget: $5,000,000.
  • Domestic gross: $183,920.
  • Worldwide gross: $2,648,195.

Trespass (2011)

"When terror is at your door, you can run, or you can fight."
His 23rd and final film. It stars Nicolas Cage, Nicola Kidman, Ben Mendelsohn, Cam Gigandet, Liana Liberato, Jordana Spiro, Dash Mihok, Emily Meade and Nico Tortorella., and follows a married couple taken hostage by extortionists.
It was named among the worst films of the year, and was also a box office bomb. It was Schumacher's final film before his death in 2020.
  • Budget: $38,700,000.
  • Domestic gross: $24,094.
  • Worldwide gross: $10,117,966.

Other Projects

He has also directed many music videos and TV shows. In the latter aspect, he directed two episodes of House of Cards in 2013, which were his final credits before his death.

MOVIES (FROM HIGHEST GROSSING TO LEAST GROSSING)

No. Movie Year Studio Domestic Total Overseas Total Worldwide Total Budget
1 Batman Forever 1995 Warner Bros. $184,069,126 $152,498,032 $336,567,158 $100M
2 Batman & Robin 1997 Warner Bros. $107,353,792 $130,900,196 $238,253,988 $125M
3 The Phantom of the Opera 2004 Warner Bros. $51,293,931 $103,380,310 $154,674,241 $70M
4 A Time to Kill 1996 Warner Bros. $108,766,007 $43,500,000 $152,266,007 $45M
5 The Client 1994 Warner Bros. $92,115,211 $25,500,000 $117,615,211 $45M
6 Phone Booth 2003 Fox $46,566,212 $51,270,926 $97,837,138 $13M
7 Falling Down 1993 Warner Bros. $40,903,593 $56,000,000 $96,903,593 $25M
8 8mm 1999 Sony $36,663,315 $59,955,384 $96,618,699 $40M
9 Dying Young 1991 Fox $33,669,178 $48,595,497 $82,264,675 $18M
10 The Number 23 2007 New Line Cinema $35,193,167 $42,484,386 $77,677,553 $30M
11 Bad Company 2002 Disney $30,160,161 $36,040,621 $66,200,782 $70M
12 Flatliners 1990 Columbia $61,489,265 $0 $61,489,265 $26M
13 St. Elmo's Fire 1985 Columbia $37,803,872 $0 $37,803,872 $10M
14 The Lost Boys 1987 Warner Bros. $32,222,567 $0 $32,222,567 $8.5M
15 Cousins 1989 Paramount $22,026,369 $0 $22,026,369 N/A
16 The Incredible Shrinking Woman 1981 Universal $20,259,961 $0 $20,259,961 $10M
17 D.C. Cab 1983 Universal $16,134,627 $0 $16,134,627 $8M
18 Trespass 2011 Millennium $24,094 $10,093,872 $10,117,966 $38M
19 Veronica Guerin 2003 Disney $1,571,504 $7,868,156 $9,439,660 $17M
20 Flawless 1999 MGM $4,488,529 $0 $4,488,529 $20M
21 Twelve 2010 Hannover $183,920 $2,464,275 $2,648,195 $5M
22 Blood Creek 2009 Lionsgate $0 $211,398 $211,398 N/A
23 Tigerland 2000 Fox $139,692 $9,009 $148,701 N/A
Across those 23 films, he has made $1,733,870,155 worldwide. That's $75,385,658 per movie.

The Verdict

It was surprising to see the results of his early films. He had nine box office hits in a row. Hell, even his first two films that bombed weren't really disasters. So while he wasn't always a critics darling, he really knew what the audience wanted to see. Batman & Robin, however, marked the beginning of the end for him. He was no longer synonymous with box office success, and more films started bombing. And like mentioned, he was never a critics darling, so some of his films have been panned and considered some of their year's worst films. It's not a bad filmography all round, it's just so inconsistent.
And when people claim "Batman is flop-proof", well there you have it. All it takes is one awful movie, and the character is no longer reliable. Nothing is guaranteed.
Hope you liked this edition. You can find this and more in the wiki for this section.
The next director will be Joel & Ethan Coen. Just as Drive-Away Dolls is coming up.
I asked you, and you chose to delay Christopher Nolan's post by 1-2 months. Fine with me. I'm in no hurry. I asked you to choose who else should be in the run and the comment with the most upvotes would be chosen. Well, we'll later talk about... M. Night Shyamalan. The rise and fall and rise and fall and rise and fall...
This is the schedule for the following four:
Week Director Reasoning
February 19-25 Joel & Ethan Coen You see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!
February 26-March 3 Bryan Singer A tough one to write.
March 4-10 Kathryn Bigelow Any Strange Days fan here? Hello?
March 11-17 M. Night Shyamalan There's no adaptation in Ba Sing Se.
Who should be next after Shyamalan? That's up to you.
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2024.02.14 00:18 Dr_Bad_Vibes_MD I always found it interesting how really attractive men use dating Apps

Thing is, if you're in the same level of appearance as George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Bradley Cooper or Adam Driver then why are these good looking men on dating Apps? These types can get ANYONE ANYWHERE @ ANYTIME. Dating Apps is more for ppl who have a very hard time finding someone in a more organic way or their confidence is just a bit lower than average. At least in my opinion. My female friend found this swimmer on a dating App & they went on a few dates. I'm not gay @ all but man, he was a hot SOB like holy hell. Funny thing is, he ghosted her in the end. They didn't bang or anything so maybe that's why. I didn't bother pushing because it may piss her off who knows. My point is, hot guys really should not use dating Apps & leave space for the average & below average lookers. I see it as the same league as a millionaire asking for a stimulus check. Dude, you do not need a stimulus check. You're a freakin' millionaire. Leave that money alone & let someone who's scraping by have it.
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2024.01.20 20:46 Alexis_J_M Why is porn a hard deal breaker?

(I posted this as a comment on another thread, someone suggested I post it as a new thread.)
I've never dated a guy who didn't have a porn stash. I truly don't understand why it's such a deal breaker to so many people here.
Spending $2K a month for personalized attention on OnlyFans? Hell yes I'd run far away.
Can't get off without watching women get abused and degraded? Ewww, ick, delete that crap off their computers before breaking up.
Expect me to act like a porn star for them? Hard no. You're not George Clooney, I'm not a porn star, the difference between film and reality shouldn't be so hard to understand.
But having some wank material they look at occasionally? Why is that so unacceptable? Having an Instagram feed full of boobs? How does that hurt you?
I mean, everyone is entitled to whatever standards they choose in a partner, but I just don't understand why THIS one is so important.
I know that the porn industry treats people horribly, but so do lots of other industries that nobody judges people for consuming the products of. And I had one friend who worked a phone sex line in the 1990s because that was the only job she could get that let her be there when her kids got home from school.
Can someone tell me why it's such an issue, hopefully without insulting and shaming me for asking?
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