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2023.12.07 23:36 Lunch_Confident William Afton was never meant to be a GOOD father in ANY continuity(spoiler fnaf movie)
After seeing the fnaf movie especially, some scenes and the response to people of it,
I wanted to make this post to out some of my througgts about William character and how the fandom under look and most importantly REPLACE Canon information with their own Head Canon.
Now the one in Fnaf movie is the fourth interaction of William Afton if we count thr Fazbear Fright one as a different kind.
The thing is that the William Afton of the games is never shown to have an interaction with his kids Never (If we Don't count an alleged one but i elaborate on that later) But with little glimpse through, we can see a Behavior.
By the start, he is a child murderer so he isnt stranger to violents against kids and being cruel,
In fnaf 4 we're we see Williams kids, they are left abandoned for mostly by themselves in their house and in the neighborhood, with one being a victim of the older brother bullyng, the only time we see William he is working at the place, closing the doors to the child, That he has any possible theory to keep an eye(freadbear plush theory) he has a pretty bad environment to his youngest son.That end in him being killed.
Now with Sister Location William Afton made a robot that is designed to attract and kill children and at the inauguration of a place like That he to ok his own daughter with him
Sure, he said to her to stay away from it, but just the situation he created is negligent from a parent, a parent who knew the consequence.
So his daughter die, and in theory at least with the idea in mind that it can happen that a the ghost could stay the animatronic under certain circumstance (he had the confirmation at some point since he send Mike there)
And talking about Mike, we find out in the golden Freddy cutcene that our protagonist who went through all of that, is his son, that we also know that HE sent there, to "find her" So he knew what that place was about abd the danger of it, and he decides to SEND his own son there, that in fact die.(and then returns)
Then in the next games William tries to kill Mike, (fnaf 6 for sure)
So we see for now the profile of a father that is nearly Negligent at best that actually send his son in a risk "mission" Witch he doesnt return alive and then tries to kill him when he tries to stop him.
the Fourth Closet is the first book were we see a relationship with one of his kids, only Elizabeth, and He abuses her as a pre school child because interrupts his work on his new toy. Just for leave again a murder robot clown at his house, which is controlled only by a camera, that again kills his daughter, that reincarnes as baby, after that he proceds to abuse her again more emotionially for doing his dirty work
In the Frights,we never see any moment of that, we see William for breef tine, but in this book thst for many are to use as parallels for games characters , we see many despictiin of distant or straight up bad fathers, In a story that seems to be a parallel of Fnaf 3 and Michael the character has a father Step Father who abused him, leaving trauma and physical scars, until he burn down the house to kill him.and then he sees him in springtrap
The nature of midnight motorist is still on Debate but for many is another William story, the minigame despise an House owner pretty insensitive and if look at a father figure a pretty disfunctional family household, if not straight up abusive in not respecting privacy and anger.
Now the movie, During the fnaf movie we find out in this continuity that Vanessa is Williams daughter, in the picture it shows that William gifted Vanessa of a toy that he took from Garret one of his victim,pretty twisted thing to do And since adult Vanessa knows that he is the murderer of Freddys she also finds out about the plane and his meaning, when she says to Mike the truth she look viscibily distressed in talking about him. And at the end Mike says to her "he mess you up" Which she looks at him sadly.
Later when she confronts him he tries to manipulate her to put down the gun, talking her more kindly but even looking imposing until he said she is un'abile to shoot him, which she does, then he phisically attacks her and blames her for the situation showing her the knife, until she makes the comment about his ability of counting and then he chokes her. He doesnt want to kill her but he also want to make her suffer,and he actually seem to enjoy doing it. For him is a form of Punishment, form of punishment that he probably always did to her to make her Obey. And wheh she tries to stop him from going to Abby he stabs her in the stomach,he looks like he kinda regretted that, but he still did that
In every canon interaction, William is show to be an emotionially distant father from his kids, which he neglects even putting them in dangerous situation for his work, even if he WANT them to stay alive for that level of caring, or is show to straight up abusive them to make them obey , and when this doesnt work and they still rebel to him ESPECIALLY when is to his evil acts against innocents, even regretting it, he tries to murder them
Given his god complex is probably that William is a narcisist that doesnt know is one probably And acts like that to his own children
That fantasy of William being a good father to his kids who gone crazy for losing them is a complete head Canon by the fandom, which is fine, if he wasnt so force fully insert into the Canon when it clearly doesnt belong,
Im not sayng that William is completly unfazed by his kids death, and problably the death of Elizabeth and Evan deteriorate his state of mind making him worse. But even at his best moments he was a terrible Father a
and Scott always wrote him that way
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I wanted to make this post to out some of my througgts about William character and how the fandom under look and most importantly REPLACE Canon information with their own Head Canon.
Now the one in Fnaf movie is the fourth interaction of William Afton if we count thr Fazbear Fright one as a different kind.
The thing is that the William Afton of the games is never shown to have an interaction with his kids Never (If we Don't count an alleged one but i elaborate on that later) But with little glimpse through, we can see a Behavior.
By the start, he is a child murderer so he isnt stranger to violents against kids and being cruel,
In fnaf 4 we're we see Williams kids, they are left abandoned for mostly by themselves in their house and in the neighborhood, with one being a victim of the older brother bullyng, the only time we see William he is working at the place, closing the doors to the child, That he has any possible theory to keep an eye(freadbear plush theory) he has a pretty bad environment to his youngest son.That end in him being killed.
Now with Sister Location William Afton made a robot that is designed to attract and kill children and at the inauguration of a place like That he to ok his own daughter with him
Sure, he said to her to stay away from it, but just the situation he created is negligent from a parent, a parent who knew the consequence.
So his daughter die, and in theory at least with the idea in mind that it can happen that a the ghost could stay the animatronic under certain circumstance (he had the confirmation at some point since he send Mike there)
And talking about Mike, we find out in the golden Freddy cutcene that our protagonist who went through all of that, is his son, that we also know that HE sent there, to "find her" So he knew what that place was about abd the danger of it, and he decides to SEND his own son there, that in fact die.(and then returns)
Then in the next games William tries to kill Mike, (fnaf 6 for sure)
So we see for now the profile of a father that is nearly Negligent at best that actually send his son in a risk "mission" Witch he doesnt return alive and then tries to kill him when he tries to stop him.
the Fourth Closet is the first book were we see a relationship with one of his kids, only Elizabeth, and He abuses her as a pre school child because interrupts his work on his new toy. Just for leave again a murder robot clown at his house, which is controlled only by a camera, that again kills his daughter, that reincarnes as baby, after that he proceds to abuse her again more emotionially for doing his dirty work
In the Frights,we never see any moment of that, we see William for breef tine, but in this book thst for many are to use as parallels for games characters , we see many despictiin of distant or straight up bad fathers, In a story that seems to be a parallel of Fnaf 3 and Michael the character has a father Step Father who abused him, leaving trauma and physical scars, until he burn down the house to kill him.and then he sees him in springtrap
The nature of midnight motorist is still on Debate but for many is another William story, the minigame despise an House owner pretty insensitive and if look at a father figure a pretty disfunctional family household, if not straight up abusive in not respecting privacy and anger.
Now the movie, During the fnaf movie we find out in this continuity that Vanessa is Williams daughter, in the picture it shows that William gifted Vanessa of a toy that he took from Garret one of his victim,pretty twisted thing to do And since adult Vanessa knows that he is the murderer of Freddys she also finds out about the plane and his meaning, when she says to Mike the truth she look viscibily distressed in talking about him. And at the end Mike says to her "he mess you up" Which she looks at him sadly.
Later when she confronts him he tries to manipulate her to put down the gun, talking her more kindly but even looking imposing until he said she is un'abile to shoot him, which she does, then he phisically attacks her and blames her for the situation showing her the knife, until she makes the comment about his ability of counting and then he chokes her. He doesnt want to kill her but he also want to make her suffer,and he actually seem to enjoy doing it. For him is a form of Punishment, form of punishment that he probably always did to her to make her Obey. And wheh she tries to stop him from going to Abby he stabs her in the stomach,he looks like he kinda regretted that, but he still did that
In every canon interaction, William is show to be an emotionially distant father from his kids, which he neglects even putting them in dangerous situation for his work, even if he WANT them to stay alive for that level of caring, or is show to straight up abusive them to make them obey , and when this doesnt work and they still rebel to him ESPECIALLY when is to his evil acts against innocents, even regretting it, he tries to murder them
Given his god complex is probably that William is a narcisist that doesnt know is one probably And acts like that to his own children
That fantasy of William being a good father to his kids who gone crazy for losing them is a complete head Canon by the fandom, which is fine, if he wasnt so force fully insert into the Canon when it clearly doesnt belong,
Im not sayng that William is completly unfazed by his kids death, and problably the death of Elizabeth and Evan deteriorate his state of mind making him worse. But even at his best moments he was a terrible Father a
and Scott always wrote him that way
2023.10.27 03:48 WordSlugger The Didachē or Teaching of the Twelve - Birth of the Gospels and Smoking Gun.
 | If you read the Prologue, you probably realized that we can date the Didachē to 50A.D. because of the letter in Acts Luke recorded appearing in a variant form in the Didachē and the reference in Galatians to the meeting. submitted by WordSlugger to UnbannableChristian [link] [comments] Didachē: ACTS 15:23-29I didn't forget this is about the Didachē, but let's just look at what Paul wrote in Galations 2:1-10 Then after fourteen years I again went up to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along also. I went up in accord with a revelation, and I presented to them the gospel that I preach to the GentilesQUESTION: Paul "presented to them" what he preached to the Gentiles? He gave them his standard sermon? Or did he hand them a document? (For those thinking this is a big change from the Prologue, remember, that was a just-so story. Now we compare facts and ask questions.) —but privately to those of repute—so that I might not be running, or have run, in vain. Moreover, not even Titus, who was with me, although he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised, but because of the false brothers secretly brought in, who slipped in to spy on our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, that they might enslave us — to them we did not submit even a little, so that the truth of the gospel might remain intact for you.CUTTING TO THE CHASE There was only this one, off hand reference to circumcision. The entire point of the trip was to get clairification approval from the Jerusalem church of Paul's mission so that he and his message had official approval over what the Judaizers were sayng. But from those who were reputed to be important (what they once were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality)—those of repute made me add nothing.QUESTION: Made Paul add nothing to what? A speech? IMO, this is further evidence that Paul had a document. One part of the just-so story that fits both Acts and Galations is "Paul used to be a Pharisee; he knew what they needed: their own scripture." He always had a written version of his teaching. In accordance with the practice of the Jews, he and Barnabus would have read from a scroll, but not handed out copies, except to the head of an established house church. So when the Judaizers showed up, he went to Jerusalem: On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter to the circumcised, for the one who worked in Peter for an apostolate to the circumcised worked also in me for the Gentiles, and when they recognized the grace bestowed upon me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas their right hands in partnership, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. Only, we were to be mindful of the poor, which is the very thing I was eager to do. ABOUT THE DIDACHENOTE: Barnabus, btw, was one of the 70 Apostles appointed by Jesus and would have been in the house at Pentecost. He was not Paul's assistant, but his companion in evangelization. Barnabus wrote his own epistle included in many early canons of scripture incluing the Codex Sinaiticus.Obviously, it's my hypothesis that a basic version of the Didachē was written by Paul and Barnabus, approved by James, Peter and John as the true 1st Canon of Scripture, "canon" meaning simply that it was approved to be read in synagogue, or in this case, as part of Christian liturgy. THE HISTORICITY OF THE APOSTOLIC DECREEHow much comprised this specific version of a document built in layers over 100 years, is a harder thing to discern than simply: Barnabus and Paul wrote this. And we don't need to be Scripture scholars to see it. But we do have to look at it. There is repetition of the teachings and admonitions in some places. Compare chapters 1 and 2 with 3. Notice that #3 begins with the address "my child," not used before. The two sections give similar admonishements against lying, stealing and so forth. But "My Child" is a form of address Paul uses Timothy, Philomon and 1 Corinthians. Note also that from chapters 1-6, Jesus' name is not used, nor are His miracles mentioned or anything else about Him. If the document were to fall into the hands of Romans or other Gentiles or radically fundamentalist Jews, "God" and "Lord" can be seen as interchangeable terms. Certainly no one is mentioning circumcision, a practice unique to followers of Moses. But we can also see this inlight of the topic of this post Discipline of the Secret https://www.reddit.com/UnbannableChristian/comments/17dhbkh/the_discipline_of_the_secret_1_explained_by_the/ A theological term used to express the custom which prevailed in the earliest ages of the Church, by which the knowledge of the more intimate mysteries of the Christian religion was carefully kept from the heathen and even from those who were undergoing instructioBecause the Didache changes abruptly with the very specific instructions for the Sacraments in Chapter 7-11, it is very likely an the addition was made by the church at Jerusalem that had received a copy of Paul's teaching. ("Didache" means teaching.) Used locally before 70A.D., it would have been widely distributed, along with the new diaspora during and after the seige. LAYERS IN TIMEA few edited quotes from various scholars re: the life of the Didachē:Stephen J. Patterson (The Gospel of Thomas and Jesus, p. 173): "Of course today, when the similarities between the Didache and Barnabas ... [is] no longer taken as proof that the Didache is literarily dependent upon these documents, the trend is to date the Didache much earlier, at least by the end of the first century or the beginning of the second, and in the case of Jean-P. Audet, as early as 50-70 C.E." Jonathan Draper writes (Gospel Perspectives, v. 5, p. 269): ...the Didache or Teaching of the Twelve Apostles has continued to be one of the most disputed of early Christian texts. It has been depicted by [some] scholars as ... the original of the Apostolic Decree (c. 50 AD) ... Crossan observes the following on the text of the Didache (The Birth of Christianity, p. 364): The scribe who copied those seven texts ... dated that completion to June 11, 1056. Now known as Codex Hierosolymitanus 54 was removed to the Patriarchate at Jerusalem in 1887, where it remains.Earlier Coptic and Ethiopic versions also exist for a few chapters of this text. Especially important are two Greek fragments, Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 1782, dated to the "late fourth century" ... These tiny scraps contain verses 1:3c-4a and 2:7-3:2. Despite small differences, the wording on those scraps is ... very important confirmation for the basic accuracy of Codex Hierosolymitanus 54, given the gulf of centuries between it and the earlier fragments. The Didache was long-lived, widely distributed through time and across geography. During it's lifetime, Chapters 13-16 were added, completely contradicting the earlier text and establishing Christianity as a version of Temple Judaism: "But every true prophet who is willing to dwell among you is worthy of his meat, likewise a true teacher is himself worthy of his meat, even as is a labourer. Thou shalt, therefore, take the firstfruits of every produce of the wine-press and threshing-floor, of oxen and sheep, and shalt give it to the prophets, for they are your chief priests; but if ye have not a prophet, give it unto the poor.AND WE HAVE ARRIVED AT THE FIRST SCHISM: HUMILITY & CHARITY VS POWER & GREED. Srsly, what "commandment"? The one they just wrote down? I'm just getting started.https://preview.redd.it/4uxzh41qhnwb1.jpg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad5eaa8732c4d39b87ba25c1b09c4275813009ce |
2023.10.17 04:13 sac_112 First part of the Five Night's at Freddy's Lore, as it was originally (USING FRIGHT'S GAMES)
 | ACLARATION!!!! THIS POST ISN'T MISS INFORMATION, THIS IS HOW WAS WHEN IT WAS REALISED, IM NOT TRYNG TO MISSINFORM ANYBODY. THIS IS A THEORY OF WHAT WAS WHEN IT GOT REALISED, you know, the original timeline as it was, this is a continuation of my past timeline of FNaF, go and read it here!!! before you read this postThis is gonna be polemic... So, before starting, this is gonna be a long text, so i'll add this small section to remind you all that this is a continuation to my series of text "As it was" this is the last part before Security Breach so, i'll try my best to make this clear. Retconhttps://preview.redd.it/w7p36mgu8oub1.png?width=899&format=png&auto=webp&s=806fddf4ba020501f0788ef9f6cc6f52b00d3a75A man with named William Afton and a man named Henry Emily was close friends, they decided to open Fredbears Family Dinner, a local that used animatronics with a model that revolucionated the world, the Springlocks, those had the capasity of beeng suits and animatroncs, but those suits were really dangerus, a bad move and you got killed, William was a father of 3 kids, Evan Afton, Elizabeth Afton and Michael Afton, while Henry Emily had a daughter named Charlie Emily, the animatronics are these:
Freddy's was so popular that they opend a Freddy Fazbear Pizza on every state of USA, and they gained a lot of money!!! Some time later William gived to Evan a Plush of Fredbear and he made that teddy his best (imaginary) friend, but Evan was horrified of the animatronics because one day he saw someone dressing with a springlock suit, making him belive that they eat people, and William was really bussy on his work so he left Evan to be with Michael, he wasn't happy with him needing to be the babysitter of his brother, so he started making fun of him for that and because it was funny that a child was really scared of robots, the bullyng that Evan got from Michael was that bad, that he started agonysing everywhere, making that his plush got possesed by his agony, William noticed that and started researching about that and find out about an investigation of 2 guys, Talbert and Phineas, they talk about Remnant and Agony, those things can make you even inmortal, but they didn't know how to create it, William decided to experiment with Evan, so he created a laboratory below Frebears and his house where he started making Evan have alucinations with horrifing monsters and later on make him belive that it was just a nightmare and to look if something else happend he modified his plush to stalk Evan while he wasn't on the Experiments, but the fact that William started beeng all the day on the laboratory made that Michael wanted to enter there and he keep doing that making an entrance on the forest, but it didn't get to far. But on Evan's birday, Michael placed Evan on the mouth of Fredbear and he got bited by him, causing him to be on coma, and later on he died. That same week someone tried to use a Spring Bonnie suit, but accidently failed and ended up dyng because of a multiple springlock failure, causing that all the springlock suits stopped beeng used, Fredbears got closed on 1983 and the bite got known as the bite of 83', the suits got locked on a Freddy Fazbear's Pizza local. Michael was really sad about the bite, felling responsable and William wanted to put Evan back togather to keep with his experiments, but William knew that he needed remnant to do that, but he didn't knew how to make it, and after the funeral of Evan, William put Michael on to the experiments because of what i mentioned earlier and because Michael keep tryng to enter the lab. even when he placed a Fredbear suit on front of his bedroom, Evan after he died, he started following Mike, sayng "It's Me" everywhere, making him alucinate with Fredbear there, withered, staring at him, everywhere he goes, but the experiments made him realise that his father was the one behind his nightmares William was mad, he had lost his son, he wanted revenge, he blamed Henry for the death of his son, he made the animatronics, he got all the creddit of the work and William, he was just another dude, so in a act of revenge he killied Charlie on Freddy Fazbear Pizza, she possesed an animatronic on the local, Puppet, all on the same night when William decided to put Michael on the experiments. In 1985 William killed 2 kids, their souls took form of 2 shaddowy creatures, Shaddow Freddy and RWQFSFASXC on June 26th, then he decided to kill 5 more kids, they possesed the animatronics and Fredbear, the children were named: Gabriel, Jeremy, Susie, Fritz and Cassidy, they possesed:
One day, a little kid named Andrew was on his birday after the MCI, the kid got kidnapped by William, luring him to Freddy's Safe room and there he found the body's of the other kids but William didn't let him scape and killed him, the last and secret victim of William, but his soul just didn't wanted that, he wanted him to suffer, now Andrew's soul was in William, waiting to a moment of weakness, Andrew's body got hidden in Golden Freddy suit with Cassidy by Charlie... William did this for experiment with some things, because the death of charlie made him realise that if he wanted to bring back Evan he needed to kill more kids because their agony made them posess the animatronics and thanks to the experiments of Talbert and Phineas he knew now how to make remnant, with enought agony the soul possess an object and if is melted there you got remnant, so he tried killing more kids to get that result... Freddy's got closed, and William decided to make his own show, Circus Baby Pizza World, where he could have more kids to experiments, he created a new bunch of animatronics, the "Funtime" animatronics.
Freddy Fazbear Pizza got a brand new reopening with a plastic vertion of the animatronics, more children friendly, those animatronics had a nightmode and more cheerful colors, they were apoded Toy's because those got based on the old toy's of Fazbear, those animatronics are:
On the first week, William was a security guard who worked on the NightShift, after that he got passed to the DayShift and he killed 6 more kids because he thought that the originals had no remnant because of the destruction of them, so he decided to do what he did for the same reasons as the MCI, the kids possesed all the animatronics... One of the kids possesed Jay Jay, she hiding from William under a table but sadly she got trapped, her sooul keep doing that untill Henry decided to desmantelate her and place her on parts and services, then William scaped. Five Night's At Freddy's 2-- https://preview.redd.it/9thexk6w8oub1.png?width=460&format=png&auto=webp&s=855421085d43cd67e5c9a7cad77e01bbb009ec7f Jeremy Fitzjerald entered working Freddy Fazbears Pizza the next week after William, he bring with him a Flashlight filled with batterys because he is going to work at the nightshift. The first day the animatronics were kinda slow, but they were moving, and for some reason he needed to charge a music box, but Jeremy didn't care about it and passed it till 6 am, but in Night 2 he realised that Foxy (Withered) started moving and used his flashlight to scare him, because a worker told him how the old animatronics worked by a phone call, so he did, and he survived again untill 6 am, at the third night all the animatronics were moving, but Jemremy survived once again till 6 am, and he did for the rest of the week. But the police started investigating the local because of the desapearence of 6 children (again) and they closed (temporarily) the local, but there was one more party, and Jeremy was the one in charge of being the security guard.The last party, Jeremy was bitten in the frontal lobe by one of the Toy animatronics and all the FFP got closed... That incident got known as the bite of 87. While all of that happend Michael was still suffering, he had loosed his 2 brothers, but William made him a promise, he will put back togather his family, but he needed Michael to destroy the Toy animatronics, so. he got to work at Freddy's, but at the same exact night after the bite and the local was on investigations and closed, so they trapped Michael, who used a fake name to do all of that, "Fritz Smith". A few months later, Fazbear Entretaimnent paid Jeremy, they paid him later because of him beeng on coma, when he waked up and when the investigations of the Police on the restaurant stopped, they finnaly get to pay him. Some Years later on 1993 Fazbear Entretainment reopend Freddy Fazbear Pizza using the Withereds and desmanteling the Toys, but William used that to steal the endoeskeletons and inject himself the remnant, all the remnant of the kids, to make him inmortal, Henry was depressed, i mean really depressed, so he decided to let someone else run the company... William still had the rights to make merch to sell on Fazbear Entretainment, and in between 1987 and 1993 he has created new experiments, like the FazGoo, the Birday Gummy, Sea Bunnys or some toys with the capacity of controling you're body selled by the name of "Kids at play!!!", those experiments to research and try to bring back Evan, all of them got sealed by fazbear, but one day he managed to make the best replica of a human, he finnaly tested it on Evan and it worked!! Evan is back!!!! but William was really happy with it, he didn't put him on the test because now there is no need to use the experiments and they leaved, but William still wanted to be inmortal. Five Night's At Freddy's 1-- https://preview.redd.it/zkjt6b7y8oub1.png?width=460&format=png&auto=webp&s=55a91cc23c6c3fa5594f0bf79abfb07610c5fee9 William this time don't send Michael to the local of Freddy's, he didn't knew that the souls were still there, but Michael needed work and he wanted free pizza LMAO, while he was working on the world's most dangerus work of the world he realised that an old worker from 87' got killed and his last wish was: "Uh, hey, do me a favor, mabye sometime, uh, you could check inside those suits in the backroom? Im gonna ty to hold out untill someone checks. It won't be so bad. Uh, I-i-i-i always wondered what was in all those empty heads back there. You know... Oh no... "\dies\**After a whole week he realised that the animatronics were possesed but when he opend the safe room and inspected the animatronics got fired, again, by the same reasons, but Michael told his father about what he lived there... Freddy Fazbear Pizza got closed by the constant desapearience and desinterest of the people and some time later William returned to destroy the animatronics and steal their remnant after the local closed, he stealed the endoeskeletons of the animatronics and entered his laboratory and used their endoeskeleton to potience the funtimes to test, but what William didn't knew is that the remnant can transport souls too, and the Funtimes started acting erradicly, so he leaved and send Michael lo free his sister to the problem that William placed her accidently... Five Night's At Freddy's Sister Location-- https://preview.redd.it/j4q5f58y8oub1.png?width=460&format=png&auto=webp&s=c83db3ff7022f948e7d07c769a472dc1068d20e5 Michael listens to his father to go "put her back together" to his sister and Michael is going to do it, he starts working as a technician at CBEAR and on his first day everything was normal. On the second day Baby, the animatronic that possesses her sister forces Hand Unit to turn off the electricity and make the bidybabs go for Michael, but Baby manages to make Michael hide and save himself from the bidybabs to gain their trust and Michael is forced to go through the Ballora Gallery to get to the Braker Room where he would fix the glitches caused by Baby distracting Funtime Freddy. But due to a problem with Funtime Freddy, they were forced to turn it off and put it to repair On the third day Michael is forced to go through Funtime Auditorium to get to Parts and Service, upon arrival he fixes Funtime Freddy without many problems except that Bon Bon did not stop moving, upon returning Funtime Foxy attacks him but Baby prevents Michael from I died there using one of Circus Baby's abilities, which is to freeze an animatronic, but Michael ended up passing out. On the fourth day Michael woke up in a beta SpringLock suit, he was in the Scooping Room, there he saw how Ballora was dismantled (with the scooper giving him remnants) but Ballora had gotten inside. the Minireena, they would try to enter the suit and kill Michael but he survived and managed to escape. On the fifth day all the animatronics were dismantled with the scooper just like Ballora, and thanks to Michael, Baby was also Scooped then, Enard the mix of Baby, Ballora, Funtime Freddy and Funtime Foxy lure him to the Scooping Room, there Michael is Scooped and Enard divides to get into Michael's body, but leaving him alive and able to move, but a few days later Michael was rotting and the remnant he had could not regenerate because Enard prevented him from regenerating by staying in his body, As Michael turned purple from rot and Enard could no longer appear human, Enard vomited out of Michael's body, and the remnant allowed Michael to stay alive and slowly regenerate. At this point, Michael had his suspicions about his father from everything he saw but he didn't care until with the Scooper infecting him with the remnant of all the kids that died on the experiments of William and after he realised about the remnant he started doing tests with it, Michael realized what a monster William was, as he was able to see the memories of the victims William killed. with his experiments, causing Michael to decide to finish him off. Having rotted caused Michael to not be able to eat causing him an obsession with chewing gum, excessively. Some time later... Baby would separate from Enard and Funtime Freddy would take control creating Molten Freddy, Baby would get his old suit, rip off the clip he used to kill Elizabeth and put it on his arm, he would use an old design of her suit that was an springlock suit and would be known as Scrap Baby. While Michael was on the local William returned to inspect what happend to the other 2 kids that he killed, and if they possesed any animatronics but he got surrounded by a part of the souls of the MCI (only the 5 childrens not the other 2) and he decides to try to scare them with the suit of Spring Bonnie, but he accidently dies on the Spring Bonnie suit... Michael returned to the local because William didn't returned to his home, but this time he found Springtrap (William dead), so he decided to seal the door and leave... But, before he leaved, Evan tried to make the souls of the children rest on peace, and Michael send him to rest on peace too, Evan got a conection with a magical place named the flipside and started a new adventure: Five Night's At Freddy's World-- https://preview.redd.it/qpiaybn19oub1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=5846ef79f2d05b4482746054e66716810a2f050e Evan decided that he wanted to help them, so with help of Cassidy and Charlie, he collected clocks on the flipside, sending the souls to get their happiest day.
But something got wrong, remember that the funtimes had the remnant of the MCI?Well that caused that even if that part of the MCI is finnaly dead and rip, they are still here, William has taken all of what they had, even after they are dead, Charlie and Cassidy realised this and Cassidy attached to William's body to try to make him pay and finnaly die, because yes, he is alive, and Charlie leaved to try to find a way to brigh the children they happiest day... After the Happiest Day, RWQFSFASXC and Shaddow Freddy lost their soul, they are only entitys made of Agony, the agony of Shaddow Freddy ended up going to a ball pit where all the agony rested, that ball pit was on the first Freddy Fazbear Pizza, there is the agony of everyone, including RWQFSFASXC. After RWQ... Became pure agony it started happening a lot of the events that we see on Fazbear Frights.Phone Dude reasised about all the storys that happend on freddy fazbear pizza, so he made a horror atraction, some weeks before the attraction opens a worker died on a oven that were there thanks to Springtrap, his agony was that that he created entitys that shored the workers to do what he did, that apeared on the news catching Michael's attention and Charlie's Five Night's At Freddy's 3-- https://preview.redd.it/tis2ouz29oub1.png?width=460&format=png&auto=webp&s=956386c121c1e808462868b684440b31a8aa86bf Michael decides to go to work there because they found Springtrap, But when Michael find Springtrap, he didn't want to make the place burn down or destroy Springtrap, they were very excited, so Michael left the location because He was going to open but without first doing his best to control Springtrap, cutting off his arm and stabbing him in the eye and like that, Michael left. But since the installation was sooo badly done, the same day it caught fire, the owners were sad, but they decided to auction it all off, except Springtrap, he escaped after the fire and since he was already very damaged, his suit was completely destroyed, so he would use the old Scrap Bonnie suit, and the bone in his arm would begin to regenerate along with his skin, he would be known as ScrapTrap or William Afton. While Michael was working on Fazbear Frights he started answearing a book that was there for decoration in his office, that was the Security LogBook, wich got renamed by him to call it Survival Logbook, and Cassidy finnaly had a chance to talk with Evan there in the book... Five Night's At Freddy's 4-- https://preview.redd.it/xyeq20o39oub1.png?width=460&format=png&auto=webp&s=d4241a93e66d7ae747b85d37610977da028f220a While that Michael started remembering all of the things that William did, not only to him, but to all of the kids, having nightmares, halucinating with things, remembering the phone calls, all of that, having nightmares . Fazbear Entretainment just pruchased all of the objects that where at the acution of Fazbear Frights and saved them in the Fazbear Entertainment General Store. Henry would start his investigations because how was there a springlock suit on Fazbear Fright?, go investigate the CBEAR location and other things. At that time he would create Lefty, which means Lure Encapsulate Transport & Extract to (as he designed the name) attract, encapsulate, transport and extract Charly as this was a part of his plan. Since he already had the place, he only needed to remodel it, and Michael find out about the new local and he entered to remodel the original Fredbears Family Dinner place, the one before Fazbear Entertainment Inc., the first place and the one that started it all. And Michael did it while Henry created a maze under the floor and a room where he would start not only to burn everything, but also his own room. Also, Henry revealed to the people that William was the killer all this time along. Five Night's At Freddy's 6: Pizzeria Simulator-- https://preview.redd.it/gjah82259oub1.png?width=460&format=png&auto=webp&s=0c509aeb34b6538c27363534be180ecdb7324b42 Henry would make Michael take care of the entire place, while he attracted the other Salvage, at the start a worker died thanks to Scrap Baby but it didn't matter, when a Salvage arrived Michael would see if they were still possessed and released them into the maze, Charly would be angry with Michael because she thought they had betrayed her so she would attack him, Molten Freddy, Scrap Trap (William Afton), Scrap Baby and Lefty are the Salvage and they all fell into Henry's trap...So on a Friday 29 of October in 2023, Henry would burn down the entire place. And with that, everything, everyone burned until there was no trace of them and everyone got their happiest day... https://preview.redd.it/3qw3hy1a9oub1.png?width=1192&format=png&auto=webp&s=cbb94a63956286e2d0fd9f8f6b32a002b709297d Five Night's At Freddy's Ultimate Custom Night-- https://preview.redd.it/xj3zw0p69oub1.png?width=460&format=png&auto=webp&s=9bfb268707494cd49c54e23ebe32c09d6f42e6c3 Andrew, do you remember him? He kept William alive, he wanted to see him suffer, even if they were burned, over and over again. Cassidy tried to kill him but Andrew stopped her and when that fire happened, Andrew was there, that's why William survived, because Andrew kept him alive, and even regenerated his arm after the fire, Scrap Bonnie's suit melted together with her endoskeleton causing that William could regenerate, Cassidy kept trying to kill him and Andrew devised a plan... William woke up in a strangely familiar place, everyone was there, unharmed, even he was there, and everyone was trying to kill him, and every time he died, Andrew revived him, UCN, it was all in William's mind, they were like that for 2 years or less, but, Andrew took pity of Cassidy and let her go, leave the demon, with his demons, William beeng now tormented by Andrew and only andrew, then, Cassidy died (or i belive so), and Andrew started tormenting William.. https://preview.redd.it/o4z8fq989oub1.png?width=799&format=png&auto=webp&s=7805d453c991ccc7fc784009c811dbc0bb3afccb While that happend, in a unknown year, Fazbear Entretainment returned and tried to make games aparently, but those games fastly got infected by something and some workers started dying... Andrew got bored and he started forgetting what he was doing, so he decided to leave the body of William making it explote to go to some toys that were close to that place, While that was happening, a priest was seeing how to free that "lost soul" because he had already been in the hospital for years and in a coma, he took him to Fazbear Entertainment Distribution Center, where William exploded. Andrew's agony mixed with William's was left everywhere causing him to infect several objects, Andrew would stay in a dog called Fetch, where he would do whatever he wanted but because of that and because of jerk, a boy ended up destroying him, leaving him in a terrible place. state... some time around, a boy named Jake would die from an illness and remember that William managed to bring Evan back? Well, Jake's father turned out to be Evan, who died in a battle. Evan dressed up as a fictional character called Simon and when Jake died, he was so fond of Simon that he ended up possessing him thanks to the "One Spark", the opposite of agony, his nanny ended up keeping the house. Remember Dr. Phineas? The one that inspired William, well he was obsessed with the Agony, he didn't never get to know how to get sutch Agony but he experimented with what he had, he even created an animatronic with agony and metal pieces, he named it the "Stitchwraith" wich got life and accidently killed him, actually, on the Stitchwrait there was 2 souls, Andrew and Jake, them scaped to a trash compactor and then Jake started tyng to know what happend and tried to talk with Andrew wich told him about the Agony that he left, so, Jake started with his mission of recollecting the agony of Andrew and letting him Rest in Peace, have his happiest day, but accidently killed some people. While that was happening, Larson, a detective decided to start researching for the "Stitchwraith" case, so he searched on Jake's house, find out about Fetch and looked on Phineas office, he slowly got the peaces to find the Stitchwraith, originally, Larson was inspecting a case of "mass hysteria" where a girl named Sarah started to become a pile of trash in front of students, but his boss convinced him to leave that case and start the Stitchwraith case, because his causins failed... Larson ended up in the Stitchwraith base and find the stitchwraith, who decided to trow himself to the trash compactor and activate it, and also trow all of the Agony items that he got, but after Andrew and Jake were finnaly leaving, William returned and Eleanor (the new name of RWQFSFASXC) mixed with him making an amalgamation, but larson previusly got the actual Puppet mask with Charlie soul, wich attatched to the Afton Amalgamation and After Eleanor got enought, she leaved letting Charlie consume all of William and them two to die, finnally all the characters of the clasic saga died, but Eleanor atacked Larson before escaping, but the Stitchwaith, woked up wile all of that happend and healed Larson... The only soul that rested in peace was Andrew's soul, Jake still had work to do. Larson started investgating Eleanor finding out about all the things she had done so, he decided to look at Talbert's house, but before that... Eleanor decided to dress like Renelle and cheat Jake to lead her to Talbert's house, and then Larson and the Stitchwraith reunion again and Larson tries to kill Eleanor shooting her but he starts to halucinate with a pit and seeng what Eleanor has done, and the Stitchwraith realised about Renelle real identity, so he tried to kill her but Talbet shoot him and accidently one bullet got on to the battery of the Stitchwraith, causing him to be unable to move, and to make it worse, Talbert inject Eleanor with Remnant causing that she got mutch more powerfull and started attacking everyone on the room, but Jake managed to attack her with his Agony causing that she got enought agony to literally desapear and die, after that, Larson got free and leaved the plase because he had no more stuff to do, and returned to be with his family, Jake, go to the ball pit wich had collected all of the agony that people left and decided to give them all their happiest day... THE ENDwith that this is ended, hope you liked it!!!!!!I know i didn't place all of the Stitchwraith storys but those would make this text reallly big, even for Reddit. hope you liked this text and se ya on the next time :D Before ending, let me explain something, BVFirst isn't debunked, MM is after CC died because Fredbears is Jr's, the map of MM is almost the same as the map of FNaF 4 minigames and the room of the runaway isn't on the place of Evan (that's how i refer to CC) is more on the place of Elizabeth of Michael, i already explained this. This is an update of my old theory of the shaddows, that's why i think that 2 more kids died at freddy's In this post i take Fazbear Fright's as canon, if you don't belive in FRIGHT'S GAMES this isn't you're problem, is a post for FrightsGames, is on the title and replied multiple times, this is my opinion, and interpretation of the games lore, and some scott posts. EDIT: I added an explication of why William is now called Killier on Fazbear Frights Epilogues. EDIT: I changed the order of the MCI killings EDIT: DELETED UPDATE TIME!!!: i placed the Fazbear Frights on 2025 and added a reply to u/Stunning-Ad-5349, because he couldn't read that this is a FRIGHTSGAMES POST, a post made for people who belive on FRIGHTS GAMES, just aclarating |
2023.10.09 01:30 meowzerbowser3 should i stay with my boyfriend?
i’m a 17 y/o female n my boyfriend (17 M) n i have been together since sophomore year. we’re both seniors now but we have been on n off since we met. we dated about a month after meeting but broke up due to rumors a girl was telling him because she also liked him. there was a time where we had argued inside a grocery store by our school & he had ditched me where my ex (17 M) had seen & used my emotional distress to take advantage of me. after getting assaulted by my ex, my boyfriend had broken up with me because he said i had cheated & turned the whole school against me but we would still continue to get back together. i moved & started dating someone else but was still stuck on my ex (the one i was on n off with) when i moved back him n i got back together but i’ve been noticing things. weve been arguing a lot more but have been working on communication. he had lied to me saying that he was going somewhere with his dad & brother & a month later, i was going through his female friends posts n saw him on the day he told me he was with his family. when i confronted him he said i was crazy n that it was a different day. he never told me what day but i had believed him. he was following some of his failed talking stages & a few girls who he knew made me uncomfortable. i found out he also cheated on me when we were first getting back together but told me the girl had assaulted him. i love him but he has been lying to me so much. i told him yesterday that i found out one of my guy friends who he knows n im not super close with (i only know this guy from a class we have together that i sit a few seats away from him in) was my moms friends son so i told him n he got mad sayng he didn’t care. he ignored me for the rest of the day & this morning i apologized to him but he didn’t accept it which is fine but he told me he would be hanging out with more girls today. i think abt how i wanted him to tell me the truth & how i trusted him on who he was with, but is it better not knowing? i’ve been cheated on in the past & lied to in similar ways but i’ve been with my boyfriend for 2 ish years. i feel like i should just stay quiet & let my mind race but at the same time i feel like i need to let this out. i don’t know what to do. i love him a lot & more than life itself. i know i’m too young to settle down but what do i do?
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2023.10.06 20:22 sac_112 First 5 Five Nights at Freddy's Lore, as it was
| | ACLARATION!!!! THIS POST ISN'T MISS INFORMATION, THIS IS HOW FNAF WORLD WAS WHEN IT WAS REALISED, IM NOT TRYNG TO MISSINFORM ANYBODY. THIS IS A THEORY OF WHAT WAS FNAF WORLD WHEN IT GOT REALISED, you know, the original timeline as it was, this is a continuation of my past timeline of FNaF, go and read it here!!! before you read this postFive Nights at Freddy's World didn't change anything if you think it the way i do. FNaF World is a representation of how did the Happiest Day happend, like the minigames of FNaF 3, but this time showing us how those minigames got maked, we know that thanks to the Clocks Endigs, and we are playng with CC helpinc the fifth child of the MCI to get his happiest day, and thanks to Glichbear we know that anything else don't care. I frogott to say on my last post talking about FNaF 4 and what it added to the lore (this one) , Mike was the one that sealed the safe room because he thought that PG was dead, but here i'll add it lmao (NOW ADDED ON THE ORIGINAL TEXT SO IGNORE THIS PART), and adding that CC was following Mike we can know how he ended up on The Happiest Day lmao.. So here is what it added:
Before the RetconA man with named William Afton and a man named Henry Emily was close friends, they decided to open Fredbears Family Dinner, a local that used animatronics with a model that revolucionated the world, the Springlocks, those had the capasity of beeng suits and animatroncs, but those suits were really dangerus, a bad move and you got killed, William was a father of 3 kids, Cyng Child and Mike, he also had a daughter but she isn't important, while Henry Emily had a daughter named Charlie Emily, the animatronics are these:
William and Henry made Fazbear Entertainment to expand the company after the big sucsess of Fredbears, they made Freddy Fazbear Pizza and a lot of mercancy, even a tv Show on 1983, Fredbear and Friends, but Henry got all the creddits, William was angry at that but that didn't matter, for now... Some time later William gived to CC a Plush of Fredbear and CC made that teddy his best (imaginary) friend, but CC was horrified of the animatronics because one day he saw someone dressing with a springlock suit, making CC belive that they eat people, and William was really bussy on his work so he left CC to be with Mike, he wasn't happy with him needing to be the babysitter of his brother, so he started making fun of him for that and because it was funny that a child was really scared of robots, but that got out of control the day of CC's birday, Mike placed CC on the mouth of Fredbear and CC got bited by him, causing him to be on coma, and later on he died, Mike was really sad and William wanted to put him back togather, but that was a void promise that he made to his son before he died, and that same week someone tried to use a Spring Bonnie suit, but accidently failed and ended up dyng because of a multiple springlock failure, causing that all the springlock suits stopped beeng used, Fredbears got closed on 1983 and the bite got known as the bite of 83', the suits got locked on a Freddy Fazbear's Pizza local. CC after he died, he started following Mike, sayng "It's Me" everywhere, making him alucinate with Fredbear there, withered, staring at him, everywhere he goes... William was mad, he had lost his son, he wanted revenge, he blamed Henry for the death of his son, he made the animatronics, he got all the creddit of the work and William, he was just another dude, so in a act of revenge he killied Charlie on Freddy Fazbear Pizza, she possesed an animatronic on the local, Puppet, and some days or years, idk later, he killed 2 more kids, their souls took form of 2 shaddowy creatures, Shaddow Freddy and RWQFSFASXC on June 26th and on an unknown date he killed 5 kids, they possesed the animatronics and one of an old location that got closed (Fredbears) for a springlock failure wich not only caused the closing of Fredbears, it also caused that the Springlocks got never used again, the five children possesed:
Freddy's got closed but on 1987 it got reopend with a plastic vertion of the animatronics, more children friendly;
--Five Night's At Freddy's 2-- https://preview.redd.it/ul0jzla0kmsb1.png?width=460&format=png&auto=webp&s=06dd30b30d9faa667a2dcd83e7fd5fbb23ce1773 Jeremy Fitzjerald entered working Freddy Fazbears Pizza the next week after William, he bring with him a Flashlight filled with batterys because he is going to work at the nightshift. The first day the animatronics were kinda slow, but they were moving, and for some reason he needed to charge a music box, but Jeremy didn't care about it and passed it till 6 am, but in Night 2 he realised that Foxy (Withered) started moving and used his flashlight to scare him, because a worker told him how the old animatronics worked by a phone call, so he did, and he survived again untill 6 am, at the third night all the animatronics were moving, but Jemremy survived once again till 6 am, and he did for the rest of the week. But the police started investigating the local because of the desapearence of 6 children (again) and they closed (temporarily) the local, but there was one more party, and Jeremy was the one in charge of being the security guard.The last party, Jeremy was bitten in the frontal lobe by one of the Toy animatronics and all the FFP got closed... That incident got known as the bite of 87, but another worker that im gonna call Mike got to the local on the night of the last party and tried to manipulate the animatronics IA to free the kids that were inside them but got cought and got fired, but all of this with a fake name "Fritz Smith" A few months later, Fazbear Entretaimnent paid Jeremy, they paid him later because of him beeng on coma, when he waked up and when the investigations of the Police on the restaurant stopped, they finnaly get to pay him. Some Years later on 1993 Fazbear Entretainment reopend Freddy Fazbear Pizza using the Withereds and desmanteling the Toys, Henry was depressed, i mean really depressed, so he decided to let someone else run the company... --Five Night's At Freddy's 1-- https://preview.redd.it/7y0et0mzjmsb1.png?width=460&format=png&auto=webp&s=2dda00c5c1a5691920fde5a0538b91628104d5ad Mike returned to try to realise the souls again, but this time he needed the trust of Fazbear Entretainment, so he waited one week, but then he realised that an old worker from 87' got killed and his last wish was: "Uh, hey, do me a favor, mabye sometime, uh, you could check inside those suits in the backroom? Im gonna ty to hold out untill someone checks. It won't be so bad. Uh, I-i-i-i always wondered what was in all those empty heads back there. You know... Oh no... "\dies\**Mike, after getting fired he go to the backroom and find nothing, so he leaved... some time later William returned to destroy the animatronics but he accidently dies on the Spring Bonnie suit, after that, Mike returned to the local, but this time he found Springtrap (William dead), so he decided to seal the door and leave... But, before he leaved, CC tried to make the souls of the children rest on peace, and Mike send him to rest on peace too, CC got a conection with a magical place named the flipside and started a new adventure: --Five Night's At Freddy's World-- https://preview.redd.it/76vi48nyjmsb1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=6340c94a0e27c2021b5e0b66657f6b5fb6e2bda2 CC decided that he wanted to help them, so with help of the kid that possesed Fredbear and Charlie, he collected clocks on the flipside, sending the souls to get their happiest day.Ballon BoyToy ChicaMangleRWQFSFASXCand at the end Charlie gived all their happiest day... --Five Night's At Freddy's 4-- https://preview.redd.it/ng5unf4yjmsb1.png?width=460&format=png&auto=webp&s=6433124b98d8060e81af12d493e3e1da42404a98 After Mike leaved the local of Freddy Fazbears Pizza (FNaF 1) he started getting nightmares of what he has seen, every night he saw a more scarier vertion of the animatronics, hearing the phone calls and remembering what he did to his brother... on 2023 a man that we are gonna call Phone Dude reasised about all the storys that happend on freddy fazbear pizza, so he made a horror atraction, then Mike go to work there a few weeks before his opening... --Five Night's At Freddy's 3-- https://preview.redd.it/w0qbbpdxjmsb1.png?width=460&format=png&auto=webp&s=f8499a4ab78ec2ff46e195530ecbd0b914eb0450 a week before the opening of the local Springtrap apeard on the local thanks to Phone dude, mike waited to the last day to burn the local to the ground and Springtrap dies with all the memorys of Fazbear Entretainment.. https://preview.redd.it/ak4q9x30ymvb1.png?width=4807&format=png&auto=webp&s=bbb3acffe0ac7687618309812f41cc401266d19e THE ENDWith this i end up the original story of FNaF before the retcon. (The motivations of Mike are still unclear sience they got solved on the Ultimate Guide lmao)The box is opend because there are the pieces to us, the whole game of FNaF World was then the box, all the animatronics, all the characters, all those memories, and at the end, a happy day... What was the retcon? we will find out when i'll write the FNaF Sister Location, Pizzeria Simulatior and Fazbear Frights addition to the lore... See ya on the next time >:DDDDD EDIT: Major text and link isues, the links leaved to the first post.And i also added more context at the end of the text with the motivations of Mike. EDIT: DELETED |
2023.09.06 15:26 Bodhisatva1908 (spoilers Extended) Complete analyse of the horrible rule of Robert B. and the disastrous damage he inflicted on Westeros
I was provoked to write this post because of the many post I saw recently that are saying such stuff like "Robert was actualy good king or at least average" and even when the opponents of this deny this they usually are missing too many details. This is not about Robert as a person. Is he likeable or not because this is very subjective. This is only about his ruling. However, I can not mis to mention the most important trait of Robert's character and that is his terrible irresponsibility which affects deeply his reign. This irresponsibility is a result of the fact that Robert has never grown up. He remained a child with childish behaviour even as a king. May be likable child but child nontheless. People like Robert could be very entertaining but I assure that you will curse every second of interaction with him if you have some serious buisness with him.
After that introduction let's see what he did.
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After that introduction let's see what he did.
- The treatment of Ellia Martel and her children. Many people defend Robert sayng that his rule was peacefull and the wars started after his death because of the scheamers in Westeros. But the most responsible for this scheaming is actually Robert. He did absolutely nothing to punish the disgusting murder of Elia and her children so I wonder why Doran Martel and the whole of Dorne hated Robert and his regime. The very least what Robert had to do was to execute Gregor Clegane and Amory Lorge and not rewarding Tywin as marrying his daughter for example. Instead he could marry Ariane Martel and give Dorne place in the small counsel while isolating Tywin as a kind of punishment fot his crime without going to war with him. I think too many people can not understand really why Ned was so dissapointed By Robert because of the dornish case. By the way, too many people (almost 100 %) think that Robert hated the Targaryens and they cite his response to Ned "I don't see children but dragonspawns". But I think they entyrely miss the point. Robert didn't really hate the Targaryens but only his king's responsibilities. And he hated Rhaegar. His reaction to Myca's dead body was in practice the same to Elia's case. He did nothing. In the Myca's case he just didn't say that he only see dragonspawn. So his reply about Aegon and Rhaenys actually means "Ned, please, let's not talk about ruling. Give me a break. I just want to drink, to hunt and to fuck some whore". An entire kingdom started to plot against the Baratheons regime because of Robert's lazyness and also this sends really bed message to the lords of Westeros. After all the king must be a model of behaviour.
- The idiotic treatment of the ironborne's problem. There is something very important about the people in the Iron islands after 300 years of Targaryen rule. They are not anymore one and the same. There are various factions and not all of them have a longing for the "old ways". But the Greyjoys which are ruling these lands wanted it. And they still rule. Why? Because of Robert's stupidity. He is the main responsible for the fact that second kingdom is just waiting for the opportunity to wreaks havoc. Robert you idiot! The idiotic rebelion of Balon gives you the perfect opportunity to intervene in the ironborne's life. Just replace Balon with someone else. Someone who genuinely doesn't want to rob and plunder. Like Rodrick the reader. Is that too hard? Just fucking support the ironborne with a brain instead of doing nothing! Also, Theon as a hostage is not a bad idea. We see throuh his head that he is really affected by these many years in the north. Balon corectly sees that his son has forgoten what means to be ironborne. But one child is not enough for enything. Do that to 100 families that were closely supporting Balon. Do not treat these children as garbage. Treat them like Ned treated Theon. Give them to good lords to raise them and who knows. May be the next generation of ironborne leaders will not see Westeros just as a land for plunder. Be imaginative, do something. May be someone here could give better ideas. But Robert did nothing. Because his entire phylosophy was "What's the problem if Balon rebels again. Just more entertainment for me". Fucking pathetic.
- The lazy and idiotic approach to Vizerys and Daenerys. The books reveal that he didn't do anything to the Targaryens in Essos and just that creates opportunity to someone like Varys to create more problems of the crown. It would have been so much better if Robert had captured Daenerys and then openly said thet he will treat her as his own daughter and he will marry her for his first born son and heir. That way making peace with the Targaryen loyalists and getting even more legitimacy. For Vizerys probably the wall or becoming a maester is enough. Instead as usual Robert did nothing.
- Neglecting the troubling news from the Vale. Way too many people kind of missed someting very important. Catelyn in her chapters about her travel to the Vale was surprised by the moon clans and how dangerous her travel actualy was. But why she was surprised? Because she diesn't remember such thing from her childhood. When she was still Catelyn Tully the mountain clans didn't behave like that. So that is something relatively new. So under the rule of Aerys "the mad king" II there was no problem but now in Robert's we have a problem. And he again didn't do a thing. Granted, this problem seems complicated and we do not know the details so it is hard to advise what to do. But just hunting, drinking and whoring will definitely not solve the problem.
- Allowing the lannister infulence to grow in his court way too much. Ned found that Robert's court was full with Lannisters and lanisters proteges. For example how many of the kingsguards were appointed by Cersei? How it is possible Robert to be so negligible? Because of that he actualy gives a reason for the Lanisters to increase their scheaming and as another consequense Robert's brothers (mainly Renly) had to start their own scheaming because otherwise they risk to be killed by the Lannisters. A perfect receipt for war after Robert's death. Many people doesn't make difference between cause and effect and falsely accused Catelyn that she started the war of the five kings but that is not exactly that. By that point the war was inevitable so all the factions tryed to prepared for the upcoming war. In that context Catelyn took very valuable hostage and may be a proof (well...) that the Lannister commited crimes. She failed only because after 15 years in the north she didn't have any idea what Lysa had become. A coomon probem for the north - its isolation. But the war was inevitable anyway. And Robert is the main to blame because his behaviour stimulated the rise of the Lannister faction and Renly's and Stannis's factions. Allong with the dornish faction, Ironborne faction and Targaryen (Varys) faction.
- He allowed lord Baelish to bancrupt the realm and couldn't get that Lord Baelish is robbing the crown. All in all, the small counsil was full with sceamers who had to be beheaded. But that would mean Robert to take seriosly his responsibilities. Many people falsely claim that Robert was bad king (true) but was able to delegate the power to competent people. Wrong. First of all the good hand doesn't replace the king. Otherwise why we need a king if the hand is doing everything? Septon Barth doesn't replace king Jahaerys. Second, Varys and Little finger are competent but they work against the Realm and Robert was unable to even understand that. So we are left with Jon Arryn and Ned. Third, I don't know if there is more about Jon as a hand in the supplementary books but in the main books it isn't shown anything about jon's rule as a hand. So was he really a good hand or that is just an illusion? But more important, Jon and Ned was named hand of the king because of nepotism! That is completely different than Robert naming Jon as hand because Robert is responsible ruler and want the best possible hand for the Realm and this is Jon. Septon Barth was not the foster father or the best friend to the king. If jon was a good hand that would be just a fluke. Because Jon would have been named a hand of the king even if he is the worst possible candidate. So no, Robert didn't try to surround himslf with competent people but with friends. That's why he didn't announced Stannis as his hand for example. And that is lame and pathetic.
- His behaviour was demaging to prestige of the king's institution and the Baratheon as a dynasty. I could understand Robert fucking another women but he openly does it with whores in brothels. This way he publicly humiliates Cersei and the institution of the king.
- He understand that his heir Goefrey is bad and ... yes you got it. He again did nothing about it. Was it so dificult to send Joeffrey to be fostered by Ned in the North for example. He absolutely had to take him off of Cersei but probably was too afraid of her. This warrior king ...
- Finally, about "The whore is pregnant". First, the fact that from the show you can get the conclusion that "Robert was wright" is only another proof how pathetic the ending and season 8 was. Second, obviosly too many people doesn't understand what "taking the hard decision" actually means. Taking the hard decison is not equal to taking the violent decision but doing something very unpeasant for you personally because as a ruler it is not about you and your personal feelings but about the people behind you. And that is something very individual. For example, taking the hard decison for Tywin was accepting that his dwarf son Tyrion is his true heir. But that is a hard decision for Tywin. I don't think that for Ned in similar position that would have been such of a problem. The hard decison for Ned was something completely different. (And both Tywin and Ned failed). For Robert, killing Daenerys wasn't the hard decision but the usual lazy approach. The dothraki cannot do anything if Westeros is truly unified under Robert's rule. But that would require Robert actually to rule and to solve the many issues in the 7 kingdoms. Like solving the Dornish and the ironborne problems. By killing Daenerys you will not solve any of the many problems of Westeros. So sooner or later just another Targaryen will rise anyway (fake or real). Third, The plot itself shows how that was not the right decision. Drogo didn't want to invade Westeros until Robert the idiot sent asassins to kill his wife and his unborn son. So Robert actually created another enemy instead to solve the problem. He was just lucky that Drogo died too soon. Which shows another aspect of Robert's incompetence. Even if we conclude that we need to kill someone with assasin it is Drogo who had to be killed and not Daenerys.
- The fact that in some places in AFFC Goerge made clear paralels between Cersei and Robert is everything you need to know about Robert's rule.
2023.09.01 22:19 Pietrek2810 there was recently A HUGE SCAM DISCOVERED in polish part of brawl stars comunity
as a polish brawl stars player I recently saw probaly biggest scam in supercell games history
basically 2 scamers were mas reporting on the polish leaderboard
around 10 people got banned
basically polish youtuber (Damian) had a discord chat with a scammer that exposed a second scammer that he was working with (I will not reaveal scammers nicknames) and that second scammer was actually in this youtuber video. scamers then realise that they are done and started mass reporting polish leaderboard.
a lot of people accused the youtuber for doing that and started making death threads to him and his younger brother and overall it got wild
then after contancting manager from supercell he made a video about that and basically the scammers needed to give the money back for people that got scammed
but what was that scam? well it was (I think becouse I can always mess up something) with a boosters and other stuffs (basically boosting trophies)
and well they were just taking money and not boosting trophies that was a scam
basically they stolen a lot of money THAT MUCH THAT THEY COULD GET LAWSUIT.
and basically a lot of dumb kids and teen ages started saying that ,,DAMIAN DID IT" and then Damian made a video and now thats why I know about all this stuff that happened
this scam was just huge and becouse of the threats that youtuber received (Damian received) they were a ton of actions and just so much stuff that I will not even talk about
how scams are working in bs? well basically they are selling acounts (thats not even legal supercell is really banned selling acounts) and not giving them for person that give money or they are just sayng that they will boost trophies and they do not do that
also there people that are imporsonating themselfs as a youtuber by making like a fake discord account or something
scams are everywhere on a internet in this times so stay save out there
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basically 2 scamers were mas reporting on the polish leaderboard
around 10 people got banned
basically polish youtuber (Damian) had a discord chat with a scammer that exposed a second scammer that he was working with (I will not reaveal scammers nicknames) and that second scammer was actually in this youtuber video. scamers then realise that they are done and started mass reporting polish leaderboard.
a lot of people accused the youtuber for doing that and started making death threads to him and his younger brother and overall it got wild
then after contancting manager from supercell he made a video about that and basically the scammers needed to give the money back for people that got scammed
but what was that scam? well it was (I think becouse I can always mess up something) with a boosters and other stuffs (basically boosting trophies)
and well they were just taking money and not boosting trophies that was a scam
basically they stolen a lot of money THAT MUCH THAT THEY COULD GET LAWSUIT.
and basically a lot of dumb kids and teen ages started saying that ,,DAMIAN DID IT" and then Damian made a video and now thats why I know about all this stuff that happened
this scam was just huge and becouse of the threats that youtuber received (Damian received) they were a ton of actions and just so much stuff that I will not even talk about
how scams are working in bs? well basically they are selling acounts (thats not even legal supercell is really banned selling acounts) and not giving them for person that give money or they are just sayng that they will boost trophies and they do not do that
also there people that are imporsonating themselfs as a youtuber by making like a fake discord account or something
scams are everywhere on a internet in this times so stay save out there
2023.07.20 22:45 Lunch_Confident My theory on the New movie plot reveal
So.. New information about the plot of the fnaf movie came out and im gonna speculation on it.
Marrie Stewart Masterson character: she is revealed to be mikes aunt (from mother side maybe) and she probably is a villain because she wants to take Abby away from him Or.. Since she is described as icy, maybe she take them after parents dead, but now she stops pay for them
Steve Raglan: is a career counselior who will turn out to be William Afton
The brother thing, so.. We now have a confirm that Garret is mikes brother and that the tragic event is "his disappearence" So if you take It like this, confirm that they arent Aftons And that we wont see the bite of 83
But.... Im my opinion, and some tweet information gave here, dont have all the twist that will Be of of the movie, like for sayng the William Afton one
Especially, since the movie seem to be set in 1995 (The cars) the MCI happened in 1985 but the description of his brother said "More than a decade ago" Or Garret is Afton first victim, or since more than decade could 1983 Mike oung actor is 13,mike in the movie is supposed to be 25 Years.
I think Mike will believe that his brother is the first victim outside of the MCI ones, but he has so few memories
The twist is that he remembering that he disapeared is just his way of coping and repressing memories of biting and killing him ahat will Be find by Vanessa.
Fnaf was always centered around lost memories, the games, the trilogy, the fazbear frights In some way security breach. A twist like That will fit
In the dream sequence with the MCI kids Garret is separate from the others, and goes away with a car with a woman, in my opinion his mom (played by Jessica Blackmore, a Brunette) That in my opinion is also the woman on the floor we saw on the trailer, and that is a flashback on how she died.
My theory is that the events of the movie are this
Freadbear family dinner, Mike bullies his brother and causes the bite of 83, The place clause down His mom is still alive at this point since Abby is yert to be born, since the actress is 10 Years, she born around 1985, The missing children incident Mikes mom dies,or She killed herself Or she was murdered 10 Years later Mike applies to a by freddys
What do You think?
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Marrie Stewart Masterson character: she is revealed to be mikes aunt (from mother side maybe) and she probably is a villain because she wants to take Abby away from him Or.. Since she is described as icy, maybe she take them after parents dead, but now she stops pay for them
Steve Raglan: is a career counselior who will turn out to be William Afton
The brother thing, so.. We now have a confirm that Garret is mikes brother and that the tragic event is "his disappearence" So if you take It like this, confirm that they arent Aftons And that we wont see the bite of 83
But.... Im my opinion, and some tweet information gave here, dont have all the twist that will Be of of the movie, like for sayng the William Afton one
Especially, since the movie seem to be set in 1995 (The cars) the MCI happened in 1985 but the description of his brother said "More than a decade ago" Or Garret is Afton first victim, or since more than decade could 1983 Mike oung actor is 13,mike in the movie is supposed to be 25 Years.
I think Mike will believe that his brother is the first victim outside of the MCI ones, but he has so few memories
The twist is that he remembering that he disapeared is just his way of coping and repressing memories of biting and killing him ahat will Be find by Vanessa.
Fnaf was always centered around lost memories, the games, the trilogy, the fazbear frights In some way security breach. A twist like That will fit
In the dream sequence with the MCI kids Garret is separate from the others, and goes away with a car with a woman, in my opinion his mom (played by Jessica Blackmore, a Brunette) That in my opinion is also the woman on the floor we saw on the trailer, and that is a flashback on how she died.
My theory is that the events of the movie are this
Freadbear family dinner, Mike bullies his brother and causes the bite of 83, The place clause down His mom is still alive at this point since Abby is yert to be born, since the actress is 10 Years, she born around 1985, The missing children incident Mikes mom dies,or She killed herself Or she was murdered 10 Years later Mike applies to a by freddys
What do You think?
2023.02.09 06:35 PracticalCause2399 I think im found my reason to live
(M13) here, and i think I found my reason to live. You see growing up i was taken away from my mother after she tried to choke my brother, drugs and a bad living environment. I didnt realize it at first because i thought i was just staying at my Grandmothers for the week, but then another week went by then another. I found out my Mother lost custody of my brother my sister and me. She would come visit once every month or two months for a day, I would always cry cause she always left without saying goodbye or even telling me. But after a few months went bye i started getting in trouble a lot more from my grandma, she would always beat me with her cane, and if she couldnt find that she would use a hanger belt her hand her wood cane and it sucked cause it would happen alteast once a week. Then one day I was coming into the house from playing outside and my brother told me to come and talk to my mom on the phone, i was excited because i hadn’t talked to her in about a month what she told me was that my father was in the hospital and not doing good. The next week my mother called to tell me my dog died then after that i heard my grandmother say that my dad was gonna die i think i was nine at that time and that was the first emotional breakdown ive ever had the week after that my dad died. I couldnt cry at the funeral i could only cry by myself and then after that i still was at my grandmas, i still got in trouble, i still got beat. my sister that i lived with had autism, and she had tantrums and then that started taking a toll on me mentally too. But then, my mom got custody back! But it wasn’t happy i now had to deal with my sisters tantrums again but this time by myself while she was at work. I did that for about two years, and it broke me, i wasnt strong enough to do that by myself i cut mysefl over and over and over then my moms alcohol problem started to worsen she would tell me i was gonna go to juvie for being a bad kid and i would be raped and i might like it, she tried to let my dog outside so he would run away, I started gaining weight, after i got mad at her boyfriend he called me just some obese little kid, and that ruined my self of steem. My mom and her boyfriend got into a fight one night and she said she yelled for me to call the cops. once the cops came and left she barged into my room and beat me with my tablet, after that she mocked me sayng that the only reason i wanted to kill myself was because she took my electronics. after that my other dog died and i screamed, i couldnt handle all these things happening at once my anxiety got so bad at school i threw up anytime i got slighly uncomfortable anytime i even thought of going to a public place i would feel like i had to throw up. I tried to cut myself at school and they sent me to the hospital and tried to put me into a mental hospital my mom guilt tripped me to say im fine so we could leave i had no energy by that point to even try to cry, i felt empty. Me and my mom would get into frequent argumwnts after that some to the point where i would tremble if she yelled i started to hate myself i started thinking i was the problem then my cousin came and things got better but i still had everything that went on in my life playing on loop i was trapped in my mind and i still am but i never killed myself because i found out my reason to live was for everyone else. Because killing myself would just take away my pain and give it to others so anyways thats really the only reason im here. i do break sometimes but its fine for now im going to therapy and its not really helping but im fine. thank you to anyone who took time out of their day to read im truly grateful for all who did. Yes my mom is getting better.
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2022.08.23 19:32 Queenie2211 Osiris and Witness Theories
I was asked last week or so to do a write-up on my theories on Osiris and The Witness. I have predicted a few things regarding Osiris, especially that Savathun never possessed him but bound herself to him in a sense. That theory now seems to be more accepted even by lore tubers now that the new lore from this season also points to it.
This will be a long post as I will try to put backing evidence and present it as a whole for all, so sorry ahead of time, and thank you for reading.
First, let's start with Osiris. We know that he is modeled at the very least from the Egyptian god Osiris, but I suspect he is, in fact, either Osiris or Horus. This is a hill I have long died on and will continue, especially as Destiny released more lore and items to once again connect him to Ancient Egypt and its gods, Horus Shell, Trials Armor, Falcons Chase, etc.
Now, let's start with The Nine and The Ennead. I'm sure many of you have that emblem from turning in all the cute kitties, But what does it represent? Below is a quote on what The Ennead is in Ancient Egypt.
The Ennead or Great Ennead was a group of nine deities in Egyptian mythology worshipped at Heliopolis): the sun god Atum; his children Shu) and Tefnut; their children Geb and Nut); and their children Osiris, Isis, Set), and Nephthys. [1] The Ennead sometimes includes the son of Osiris and Isis, Horus.
The Nine are still a huge mystery with so many theories on how they came to be, but we know that they also represent the nine planets based on the photo released for Dares of Eternity and other stuff. This doesn't include the Sun, as evidenced but Pluto.
Let's get into a few things in regards to Ancient Egypt. The gods that we will speak on are Set, Horus, Osiris, Ra, and Apep. I won't go into too much detail, just a few basics on each.
Osiris was one of the most popular and well-known gods and was originally the heir of Ra, the Sun god. So he would take that role. He is usually represented with Ostrich feathers, Phoenix, and of course, the crook and flails that all the pharaohs would come to use with the Atef. Osiris later become the god of rebirth and the Underworld, but we will get to that. RA WAS the Sun and or creator god of sorts and eventually Osiris was said to be his heir. Osiris is said to be either the son of Ra or Geb the Sky and creator god was his father. Texts support either. Some sort of correlate Ra and Osiris like Christianity does Jesus with God.
Set is represented by the Set Animal, described by many as a sort of Jackal, Oryx, or some combo of it. He's the god of chaos, storms, darkness, and sometimes war. He's Osiris's brother and is responsible for trying to take Osiris's throne and scattering him into pieces.
Next are just a few texts on their associations with various planets and Osiris to the Phoenix and Falcon. But, again, they mostly come from the Book of The Dead.
“As I have entered as a falcon, I have come forth as a phoenix. God of the morning, make way for me!”
BD Chapter 100/129. Normally, this has the first line, “I have ferried the phoenix to the east.”
A phrase involving the Phoenix in Papyrus Anastasi I 4,5, a “satirical letter” used extensively in the Ramesside Period scribal training (Fischer-Elfert, 1986), may be understood as a reference to the planet Venus (Krauss, 1993). “may you make your transformation as you wish, like the Phoenix. All your forms are in accordance with your [desire (?)].”
In the context of an Osirian glorification attested on a wooden tablet of the later 1st millennium BCE, there is a phrase “your name is flourishing like Mercury,” and here, the very specific name sbg of this planet leaves hardly any leeway for different interpretations (Kucharek, 2017, p. 202, 204).
Ok, so our Osiris is also very connected to Mercury and Venus and is called The Phoenix. Let's move on from this now. Let's go over how Set murdered Osiris. There are some variations, but the gist is that he wanted Osiris's throne, so he cut him into pieces and scattered him around. Isis, Osiris's wife, searched for all his pieces, putting him back together again. From here, it's said Horus was born their son. I should note in some stories, Horus is Isis and Osiris's son; in some, they believe Osiris was reborn in a sense. I should note in many of the versions one key piece is missing. At any rate, this season, we get Falcons Chase Lore, where we learn Osiris is sort of shattered into many pieces, and my guess is Saint, with our help, will be helping him with this much like the Ancient Osiris.
Savathun, the god of cunning, chose quite well with Osiris. I'm not sure I believe that the Witness wasn't involved or at least knew of what she had done.
Let's go back to when Savathun got the light. I initially, like many others, thought the Traveler gave it to her, but I have changed my mind a bit. First, we must understand a few things. In Unveiling, we learn that the Gardner plants the silver tree, but Osiris was tasked with going into the void for the seed and planting it.
The Witness we can all agree is either the Winnower, or he has killed the Winnower, I believe. Let me explain. In Unveiling, which the Witness tells as he interrupts to speak directly at times and narrate at others, tells of a Winnower and r who play this game together but seem to respect one another too. They both have jobs to do such as it is.
Many will interpret this next part in many ways, but here is who the Witness says he is, and it's not the Winnower, according to him.
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/the-cambrian-explosion
But did you know that I created you?
Your mind and your body and every thought you've ever had. Your senses. Your consciousness. I made you. Not the Gardener, but I.
Did I reach out and place my special mark upon you? No. Nothing so crude.
In the beginning, your world was a garden too. The whole floor of the world-sea was a mat of bacteria, and the very first animals, adorable blobs of ooze, grazed upon that mat in endless idyll. They had no concept of the existence of other beings.
Some poor mutant discovered that it could collect carbon compounds much faster if it stopped grazing on the bacterial mat and started dissecting and eating the lumps of predigested carbon all around it: its neighbor oozeballs.
It couldn't help but do it. It couldn't help but thrive. We don't get a choice about the rules. We just play the game.
It was the first defector—the first predator. It changed everything. Now the oozeballs needed sensors to watch for danger, and brains to integrate those senses and generate plans of survival, and swift neurons and muscles to enact that plan. This was the Cambrian Explosion, the great birth of complex life on your world. I caused it. I, the defector, the destroyer, the one who takes.
As you see from above, he said a defector ooze ball in a garden long ago ate its neighbor, which led to the creation of life forms and humanity. He then called himself that defector and said he was the one who did that. He said they didn't get a choice in the game's rules. The game is the one between the Winnower and the Gardener. He makes clear here, to Gardener is indeed the Traveler.
Now I'm sure some will say he's still the Winnower despite he himself saying he was once an ooze ball in a garden and that's fine; it doesn't change this.
So Savathun claimed her sister is after her and after billions of years of the two of them killing each other to get stronger, she wants us to believe that this time her sister means it.
let's talk about when we see her get the light. Now we all know while she was pretending to be Osiris she managed to learn quite a bit of information and we know many ghost's were feeling sympathy after reading Shadowkeep by Oryx. When we see Imarru show up he's already got a hive shell on.
Now one thing is clear we have been shown by way of lore on that little ghost and Rhulk that the Traveler can and will step in to stop those from getting light not fit for it. I say Savathun whom clearly already planted the seed that we would be the one to help find her memories wanted us to believe The Traveler gave her the light but Savathun knew something very important.
Savathun bound herself to Osiris. The Traveler wasn't gonna intervene to stop her because it's important Osiris doesn't die. I believe Osiris who had Disciples of his own is to light and the Traveler what The Witness or maybe the hive gods even are to The Winnower or The Witness.
In Star Jasmine Umair, a guardian finds Osiris unconscious in Savathuns throne world. She basically tells Umair to show some respect for him he is the first to see her world. So how was it she managed to bind herself to Osiris and is all of Immolant part 2 true?
Osiris back when he made the Sundial made a deal. We don't know who that deal was with but perhaps it was Savathun, or the Witness himself.
Osiris has many prophecies lets take a look at some of these to understand how to interpret them. Most have already passed but what some get wrong in translating is Osiris is in these prophecies. So let me show a few then the important ones that matter to whats happening now.
Verse Four(A charnel but effulgent orb—beacon in a loathsome dark— Fêted, fetid corpses rise—a too-long-absent gibbous spark.) This one is literally about the Traveler giving us the light but pay attention to the last part. That is the part that is Osiris.
Verse Seven
A spark of knowledge with each fall, the purpose of the endless youth. No longer shunned, dark's nameless call now brings about tenebrous truth.) Again this one is easy. Osiris is a Thananautics expert and he refers to that knowledge gained here. The second part is how Guardians are now using darkness and that isn't shunned anymore and what that could mean.
Verse Eight
They sowed the First, now reap the Last; forever narrows to a line Where Light will fade into the past—when all's converted, nothing shines.
This one is quite clearly about the Vex here and their plans to convert all.
Now to the 2 that may matter here.
Verse Nine
A sacred eye that speaks in lies—upending futures in its path. The way before us to the skies shall see itself in ancient wrath.
For the above lets remember the Eye of Osiris. This is actually a Sacred eye in Ancient Egypt that has been connected to Ra, Horus and Osiris.
Now notice he says it speaks in lies. I believe this could be his prediction of Savathun as him. He even adds the upending futures in its path for good measure to seal that even. Ancient wrath? Well we now have The Witness here.
The final one
Verse Ten
See who's robed as if a god, who stands with pride above the rest! Destroy this ancient nameless fraud! Destroy the one whose death was blessed!"
Now this one could be Savathun too adding on to the one before this one but i suspect the Ancient fraud is The Witness. Alternatively it could be about Savathun and her making us believe the Traveler blessed her with the light.
As we go to try to save the Traveler whom Savathun has taken to her throne world our ghost is in disbelief not understanding why wouldn't the Traveler stop this especially now knowing she is still bad. Thats because Osiris is bound to her.
Savathun was banking on this too. She threw herself at the Traveler's feet bound to Osiris willing the Traveler to either let her recieve the light or let Osiris die with her.
She made sure to get rid of Sagira and to be clear Osiris can see as Savathun is using his reflections even. He speaks on seeing the many reflections and even some green sickly ones that is Savathun. We watched her use his reflections on us even. Now this next part people disagree on but what a coincidence that in a huge mass of light Imaru poofs away right as the Traveler does. Many wonder including in Vanguard why it would seem Immaru was saved. But I present that its because Osiris.
He hasn't lost his light. Let's be real here. Shin Malphur lost his ghost as a baby and years later, because he didn't die is able to tap into his light just like we can. Not only that Kabr and many others after their ghost died have used extreme amounts of light for periods even. No way I believe Osiris a Risen who can double wield DB cast all supers back to back, cast millions of reflections at once, use all light classes simultaneously via his grenades and walked around blindingly radiant, just had nothing after she sacrificed all her light to him. New lore shows him seeing his reflections and trying to wake up.
The key is who is it who has come to save Osiris? In the end of Falcons Chase Osiris speaks of hearing a sonorous voice and flapping of wings and mentions the sundial. This hints at the corriders of time. We know the Traveler has presented as the golden hawk and I suspect that same Hawk is gonna come wake Osiris leading into us helping seperate his mind from Savathuns.
Star Jasmine
U: Is that… Osiris! Osiris, can you hear me?
S: Reverence, please, child. He is the first to see this realm.
U: What did you do to him?
S: He merely sleeps to dream a better world… one that I awaken to make reality
One thing is clear in the lore anytime Osiris seems to get a grip or recognize Saint he is immediately held down with thoughts that hes just a weak human, lightless and can't do anything.
The first line in Falcon's Chase is very telling as Osiris speaks of despite what has happened he has at least managed to gain some control of sorts at times but not anymore. So whats the difference? Befofe Savathun had her own body and now that shes "dead" the bind between them is seemingly overpowered by Savathun more .
Darkness floods me like breath, expanding with each thought. For a time, it flowed out as often as in, giving me space to surface above the pressing sea and glimpse the cruel storm above, the distant hope of shore. But now there is only the sea, and nothing true remains…
I shut all three of my eyes; I curl in on myself, offering the world my exoskeleton as a shield. I—
No. I am Human. Soft and vulnerable, shell-less. And… Lightless. Waves crash over me: heavy, choking, inexorable. No choice but to drown, no point in swimming. Even the armored succumb to the depths; what chance have I?
Osiris is making clear here he no longer has those moments of being able to be himself and of course not we "killed" Savathun so shes lives 24/7 in his head now. She is the one that makes him feel helpless, without light to hold him down.
Osiris is to the light what the Witness is to darkness no I'm not saying hes the traveler per se but it's right hand in a sense. The Witness embodies his brother Set and how ironic gave Aurash the name Oryx much as Pharoahs took names after their chosen god.
Gardener and Winnower were like any Creationa nd Destruction god in our own myths and there are many gods that play below that. In Destiny that happens to be Hive gods, Nine, Osiris and possibly the Witness himself.
I think the Witness has destroyed Winnower if he indeed as he says not the Winnower and he wishes now to do the same to the Traveler aka the Gardener. The heads above him I believe, are related to his sayng he created humanity in a sense. Remember he became a collective by eating them, the oozeballs.
In the end as I have said for many months around here Osiris isn't dead, has light, and will be very important to the final Shape and come lightfall. To the ones who asked for this write up a few weeks back sorry, it took a bit. I had a vacation with family and wanted to be sure to cite all the Egyptian stuff for anyone unfamiliar. Edited to add will try to tag those who asked for this below and also added spoiler tag in case anyone wants to discuss spoilery things on the post
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This will be a long post as I will try to put backing evidence and present it as a whole for all, so sorry ahead of time, and thank you for reading.
First, let's start with Osiris. We know that he is modeled at the very least from the Egyptian god Osiris, but I suspect he is, in fact, either Osiris or Horus. This is a hill I have long died on and will continue, especially as Destiny released more lore and items to once again connect him to Ancient Egypt and its gods, Horus Shell, Trials Armor, Falcons Chase, etc.
Now, let's start with The Nine and The Ennead. I'm sure many of you have that emblem from turning in all the cute kitties, But what does it represent? Below is a quote on what The Ennead is in Ancient Egypt.
The Ennead or Great Ennead was a group of nine deities in Egyptian mythology worshipped at Heliopolis): the sun god Atum; his children Shu) and Tefnut; their children Geb and Nut); and their children Osiris, Isis, Set), and Nephthys. [1] The Ennead sometimes includes the son of Osiris and Isis, Horus.
The Nine are still a huge mystery with so many theories on how they came to be, but we know that they also represent the nine planets based on the photo released for Dares of Eternity and other stuff. This doesn't include the Sun, as evidenced but Pluto.
Let's get into a few things in regards to Ancient Egypt. The gods that we will speak on are Set, Horus, Osiris, Ra, and Apep. I won't go into too much detail, just a few basics on each.
Osiris was one of the most popular and well-known gods and was originally the heir of Ra, the Sun god. So he would take that role. He is usually represented with Ostrich feathers, Phoenix, and of course, the crook and flails that all the pharaohs would come to use with the Atef. Osiris later become the god of rebirth and the Underworld, but we will get to that. RA WAS the Sun and or creator god of sorts and eventually Osiris was said to be his heir. Osiris is said to be either the son of Ra or Geb the Sky and creator god was his father. Texts support either. Some sort of correlate Ra and Osiris like Christianity does Jesus with God.
Set is represented by the Set Animal, described by many as a sort of Jackal, Oryx, or some combo of it. He's the god of chaos, storms, darkness, and sometimes war. He's Osiris's brother and is responsible for trying to take Osiris's throne and scattering him into pieces.
Next are just a few texts on their associations with various planets and Osiris to the Phoenix and Falcon. But, again, they mostly come from the Book of The Dead.
“As I have entered as a falcon, I have come forth as a phoenix. God of the morning, make way for me!”
BD Chapter 100/129. Normally, this has the first line, “I have ferried the phoenix to the east.”
A phrase involving the Phoenix in Papyrus Anastasi I 4,5, a “satirical letter” used extensively in the Ramesside Period scribal training (Fischer-Elfert, 1986), may be understood as a reference to the planet Venus (Krauss, 1993). “may you make your transformation as you wish, like the Phoenix. All your forms are in accordance with your [desire (?)].”
In the context of an Osirian glorification attested on a wooden tablet of the later 1st millennium BCE, there is a phrase “your name is flourishing like Mercury,” and here, the very specific name sbg of this planet leaves hardly any leeway for different interpretations (Kucharek, 2017, p. 202, 204).
Ok, so our Osiris is also very connected to Mercury and Venus and is called The Phoenix. Let's move on from this now. Let's go over how Set murdered Osiris. There are some variations, but the gist is that he wanted Osiris's throne, so he cut him into pieces and scattered him around. Isis, Osiris's wife, searched for all his pieces, putting him back together again. From here, it's said Horus was born their son. I should note in some stories, Horus is Isis and Osiris's son; in some, they believe Osiris was reborn in a sense. I should note in many of the versions one key piece is missing. At any rate, this season, we get Falcons Chase Lore, where we learn Osiris is sort of shattered into many pieces, and my guess is Saint, with our help, will be helping him with this much like the Ancient Osiris.
Savathun, the god of cunning, chose quite well with Osiris. I'm not sure I believe that the Witness wasn't involved or at least knew of what she had done.
Let's go back to when Savathun got the light. I initially, like many others, thought the Traveler gave it to her, but I have changed my mind a bit. First, we must understand a few things. In Unveiling, we learn that the Gardner plants the silver tree, but Osiris was tasked with going into the void for the seed and planting it.
The Witness we can all agree is either the Winnower, or he has killed the Winnower, I believe. Let me explain. In Unveiling, which the Witness tells as he interrupts to speak directly at times and narrate at others, tells of a Winnower and r who play this game together but seem to respect one another too. They both have jobs to do such as it is.
Many will interpret this next part in many ways, but here is who the Witness says he is, and it's not the Winnower, according to him.
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/the-cambrian-explosion
But did you know that I created you?
Your mind and your body and every thought you've ever had. Your senses. Your consciousness. I made you. Not the Gardener, but I.
Did I reach out and place my special mark upon you? No. Nothing so crude.
In the beginning, your world was a garden too. The whole floor of the world-sea was a mat of bacteria, and the very first animals, adorable blobs of ooze, grazed upon that mat in endless idyll. They had no concept of the existence of other beings.
Some poor mutant discovered that it could collect carbon compounds much faster if it stopped grazing on the bacterial mat and started dissecting and eating the lumps of predigested carbon all around it: its neighbor oozeballs.
It couldn't help but do it. It couldn't help but thrive. We don't get a choice about the rules. We just play the game.
It was the first defector—the first predator. It changed everything. Now the oozeballs needed sensors to watch for danger, and brains to integrate those senses and generate plans of survival, and swift neurons and muscles to enact that plan. This was the Cambrian Explosion, the great birth of complex life on your world. I caused it. I, the defector, the destroyer, the one who takes.
As you see from above, he said a defector ooze ball in a garden long ago ate its neighbor, which led to the creation of life forms and humanity. He then called himself that defector and said he was the one who did that. He said they didn't get a choice in the game's rules. The game is the one between the Winnower and the Gardener. He makes clear here, to Gardener is indeed the Traveler.
Now I'm sure some will say he's still the Winnower despite he himself saying he was once an ooze ball in a garden and that's fine; it doesn't change this.
So Savathun claimed her sister is after her and after billions of years of the two of them killing each other to get stronger, she wants us to believe that this time her sister means it.
let's talk about when we see her get the light. Now we all know while she was pretending to be Osiris she managed to learn quite a bit of information and we know many ghost's were feeling sympathy after reading Shadowkeep by Oryx. When we see Imarru show up he's already got a hive shell on.
Now one thing is clear we have been shown by way of lore on that little ghost and Rhulk that the Traveler can and will step in to stop those from getting light not fit for it. I say Savathun whom clearly already planted the seed that we would be the one to help find her memories wanted us to believe The Traveler gave her the light but Savathun knew something very important.
Savathun bound herself to Osiris. The Traveler wasn't gonna intervene to stop her because it's important Osiris doesn't die. I believe Osiris who had Disciples of his own is to light and the Traveler what The Witness or maybe the hive gods even are to The Winnower or The Witness.
In Star Jasmine Umair, a guardian finds Osiris unconscious in Savathuns throne world. She basically tells Umair to show some respect for him he is the first to see her world. So how was it she managed to bind herself to Osiris and is all of Immolant part 2 true?
Osiris back when he made the Sundial made a deal. We don't know who that deal was with but perhaps it was Savathun, or the Witness himself.
Osiris has many prophecies lets take a look at some of these to understand how to interpret them. Most have already passed but what some get wrong in translating is Osiris is in these prophecies. So let me show a few then the important ones that matter to whats happening now.
Verse Four(A charnel but effulgent orb—beacon in a loathsome dark— Fêted, fetid corpses rise—a too-long-absent gibbous spark.) This one is literally about the Traveler giving us the light but pay attention to the last part. That is the part that is Osiris.
Verse Seven
A spark of knowledge with each fall, the purpose of the endless youth. No longer shunned, dark's nameless call now brings about tenebrous truth.) Again this one is easy. Osiris is a Thananautics expert and he refers to that knowledge gained here. The second part is how Guardians are now using darkness and that isn't shunned anymore and what that could mean.
Verse Eight
They sowed the First, now reap the Last; forever narrows to a line Where Light will fade into the past—when all's converted, nothing shines.
This one is quite clearly about the Vex here and their plans to convert all.
Now to the 2 that may matter here.
Verse Nine
A sacred eye that speaks in lies—upending futures in its path. The way before us to the skies shall see itself in ancient wrath.
For the above lets remember the Eye of Osiris. This is actually a Sacred eye in Ancient Egypt that has been connected to Ra, Horus and Osiris.
Now notice he says it speaks in lies. I believe this could be his prediction of Savathun as him. He even adds the upending futures in its path for good measure to seal that even. Ancient wrath? Well we now have The Witness here.
The final one
Verse Ten
See who's robed as if a god, who stands with pride above the rest! Destroy this ancient nameless fraud! Destroy the one whose death was blessed!"
Now this one could be Savathun too adding on to the one before this one but i suspect the Ancient fraud is The Witness. Alternatively it could be about Savathun and her making us believe the Traveler blessed her with the light.
As we go to try to save the Traveler whom Savathun has taken to her throne world our ghost is in disbelief not understanding why wouldn't the Traveler stop this especially now knowing she is still bad. Thats because Osiris is bound to her.
Savathun was banking on this too. She threw herself at the Traveler's feet bound to Osiris willing the Traveler to either let her recieve the light or let Osiris die with her.
She made sure to get rid of Sagira and to be clear Osiris can see as Savathun is using his reflections even. He speaks on seeing the many reflections and even some green sickly ones that is Savathun. We watched her use his reflections on us even. Now this next part people disagree on but what a coincidence that in a huge mass of light Imaru poofs away right as the Traveler does. Many wonder including in Vanguard why it would seem Immaru was saved. But I present that its because Osiris.
He hasn't lost his light. Let's be real here. Shin Malphur lost his ghost as a baby and years later, because he didn't die is able to tap into his light just like we can. Not only that Kabr and many others after their ghost died have used extreme amounts of light for periods even. No way I believe Osiris a Risen who can double wield DB cast all supers back to back, cast millions of reflections at once, use all light classes simultaneously via his grenades and walked around blindingly radiant, just had nothing after she sacrificed all her light to him. New lore shows him seeing his reflections and trying to wake up.
The key is who is it who has come to save Osiris? In the end of Falcons Chase Osiris speaks of hearing a sonorous voice and flapping of wings and mentions the sundial. This hints at the corriders of time. We know the Traveler has presented as the golden hawk and I suspect that same Hawk is gonna come wake Osiris leading into us helping seperate his mind from Savathuns.
Star Jasmine
U: Is that… Osiris! Osiris, can you hear me?
S: Reverence, please, child. He is the first to see this realm.
U: What did you do to him?
S: He merely sleeps to dream a better world… one that I awaken to make reality
One thing is clear in the lore anytime Osiris seems to get a grip or recognize Saint he is immediately held down with thoughts that hes just a weak human, lightless and can't do anything.
The first line in Falcon's Chase is very telling as Osiris speaks of despite what has happened he has at least managed to gain some control of sorts at times but not anymore. So whats the difference? Befofe Savathun had her own body and now that shes "dead" the bind between them is seemingly overpowered by Savathun more .
Darkness floods me like breath, expanding with each thought. For a time, it flowed out as often as in, giving me space to surface above the pressing sea and glimpse the cruel storm above, the distant hope of shore. But now there is only the sea, and nothing true remains…
I shut all three of my eyes; I curl in on myself, offering the world my exoskeleton as a shield. I—
No. I am Human. Soft and vulnerable, shell-less. And… Lightless. Waves crash over me: heavy, choking, inexorable. No choice but to drown, no point in swimming. Even the armored succumb to the depths; what chance have I?
Osiris is making clear here he no longer has those moments of being able to be himself and of course not we "killed" Savathun so shes lives 24/7 in his head now. She is the one that makes him feel helpless, without light to hold him down.
Osiris is to the light what the Witness is to darkness no I'm not saying hes the traveler per se but it's right hand in a sense. The Witness embodies his brother Set and how ironic gave Aurash the name Oryx much as Pharoahs took names after their chosen god.
Gardener and Winnower were like any Creationa nd Destruction god in our own myths and there are many gods that play below that. In Destiny that happens to be Hive gods, Nine, Osiris and possibly the Witness himself.
I think the Witness has destroyed Winnower if he indeed as he says not the Winnower and he wishes now to do the same to the Traveler aka the Gardener. The heads above him I believe, are related to his sayng he created humanity in a sense. Remember he became a collective by eating them, the oozeballs.
In the end as I have said for many months around here Osiris isn't dead, has light, and will be very important to the final Shape and come lightfall. To the ones who asked for this write up a few weeks back sorry, it took a bit. I had a vacation with family and wanted to be sure to cite all the Egyptian stuff for anyone unfamiliar. Edited to add will try to tag those who asked for this below and also added spoiler tag in case anyone wants to discuss spoilery things on the post
2020.08.24 19:38 lefilvert In order to promote a more lively experience of life for everyone, people who have tried and failed or taken different path in should be celebrated while those who took the safe-stereotypical path should be shamed with cowardness.
I'm just sayng that because I keep exploring and experimenting and "poeple", I mean most people seem to think that there is sometime suspicious about me (espacially in the job market) and I really hate it so I wish the tables would turn just for one day as revenge.
It's not because you do things differently that there necessarily something wrong with you. I never judged people but somehow I get judged and somehow discriminated because I don't want nor have a linear career path.
Work is sometimes boring. 40 years is a LONG time and we should be more open to people who decided to have a more exciting experience as opposed to those who chose money-stability-family. Which I'm fine with btw.
That is all m'brothers. #micdrop.
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It's not because you do things differently that there necessarily something wrong with you. I never judged people but somehow I get judged and somehow discriminated because I don't want nor have a linear career path.
Work is sometimes boring. 40 years is a LONG time and we should be more open to people who decided to have a more exciting experience as opposed to those who chose money-stability-family. Which I'm fine with btw.
That is all m'brothers. #micdrop.
2019.11.23 17:52 ca1ibos What best value mITX CPU/MOBO/Ram combo would you buy for a new VRPC build for use with a Rift S?
As per thread title.
I'm building an innovative SFF, Quiet, very well cooled but reasonably high performance mITX based VRPC for my brother with a SFF GTX1080. What CPU/MOBO/RAM combo would you choose with value in mind?
Keep in mind that I can change plans a bit and use a spare Z97 mITX mobo, i5 4670K OC'd to about 4ghz and 8gb DDR3 that I planned to use for something else. I guess what I am sayng is that if I cant get a CPU/mITX Mobo/Ram combo that beats the old 4670K at 4ghz by a reasonable margin for about $300 then I'll just use the old 4670K combo.
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I'm building an innovative SFF, Quiet, very well cooled but reasonably high performance mITX based VRPC for my brother with a SFF GTX1080. What CPU/MOBO/RAM combo would you choose with value in mind?
Keep in mind that I can change plans a bit and use a spare Z97 mITX mobo, i5 4670K OC'd to about 4ghz and 8gb DDR3 that I planned to use for something else. I guess what I am sayng is that if I cant get a CPU/mITX Mobo/Ram combo that beats the old 4670K at 4ghz by a reasonable margin for about $300 then I'll just use the old 4670K combo.
2019.08.25 07:06 sphagettilover6969 Entitled Mom/Babysitter hit my brother,then blames me
so to start it off,im a boy 13yrs old,im from macedonia,living in germany
The Cast, EM/EB the entitled babysitter,EK entitled kid,M my mom,OP me,B my brother,S my sister
This was when i was 7yrs old so there can be some mistakes from my memory.My brother was 4 and my sister was 1-5.We were living in germany then (for 7yrs now then for 5) so we were fluent in german my dad wanted a german babysitter but my mom refused.She searched for somebody from macedonia on facebook and found her EB.She called EB and asked her i she wanted to babysit for her and sead that she would pay for the plane ticket and all.EB was not thankful for 1 ticket and asked for 1 more for her son EK.My mom being nice and needing help cus my dad is a truck driver and isnt home most of the time she sed yes.Then they came the EK was 7 like me but shorter.Everything was good for 3 weeks.Then EK hit my Brother in the chest.My brother was very small and sensitive so i hurt him.He starts crying and the EK bursts out loughing.I was in my room watching cartoons when i heard him cry it was loud so everybody in the house were going to see what happened.When i come down i was fast so i got downstairs first.I see my brother crying and ask him what happened he sead that the EK hit him.I rush to EK and ask why he did that he got scared becouse im taller than him and just ran to his mom the EB.my mom comes and asks me what happened i told her that EK hit B.She goes mad and goes to EB and EKs room she asks them if it is true and she BLAMES IT ON ME.She was saying that i hit him and threatend to hit EK to. My mom didnt bealive it but let it slide becouse EK was just a kid.Then the next time the EB was watching youtube on our tv with us and my brother was sitting next to her i was sitting on the sofa chair.then my brother wanted to watch a cartoon but EB didnt know which one my brother was saying that one then she would scroll to some other cartoon and say not that one this one.My brother wanted to watch something like dinoland or dinosours.she was sayng no that isnt good and put on a girly show like barbie.my brother didnt like that and started to sob then cry.she got furious(later we dicovered why she got furious and why she was always in a bad mood)When that happened she slapped him hard across the face my brother had a handprint for like 20 minutes after that.So my brother started crying out of his mind.My mom came from the kitchen and asks OP why is your brother crying.i say EB hit B and then she starts to tell excuses and saying that i hit my own brother.My mom looked at my brother and saw his cheek red with a handprit that is not my size.She starts screaming at EB and seas pack yours and your brats bags you dirty Bi*** she ran of in their room then at the right moment my dad came they calm down B. then they go to the living room EB comes down for some water and sees my dad she instantly falls in love with him for some reason.Then we find out why shes in a bad mood all the time. my mom had a babymonitor in the room that their staying. she turned it on and to their shock listened to it all.She was in the middle of a divorce and when she saw my dad she fell in love with him becouse of that.she was speaking on the phone with her friend and she was sayng now that im getting divorced i could maybe steal this bi***s mans i might lure her outside the house and hook up with husband while shes gone hes always tired and sleeps alot so maybe when hes sleeping i could jump in the bed with him. my mom storms into her room ad just kicks her out of the house she gives her money for a ticket to go back to macedonia then orders them a taksi and says goodbye.
It does not end there though when we had gone back to macedonia for holidays my mom and my grandma had gone to the store.Then they see EB and her mother which is also entitled.they aproach to my grandma becouse they know eachoder and start talking a bit then my mom comes and joins in the conversation my mom knowing who i is.EB and her mother didnt recognise my mother and then they bring in the conversation about my mom kicking EB out of the house for no reason that shes a P***y and a wh*** and a Bi**h and all of that then my mom reveals herself.EB and her mother start backing of and disapiering my grandma and mom loughed and went home.
This was my Entitled Parents story hope everybody reading this enjoyed the story
i love redditor and hope he reads it i watched all his videos
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The Cast, EM/EB the entitled babysitter,EK entitled kid,M my mom,OP me,B my brother,S my sister
This was when i was 7yrs old so there can be some mistakes from my memory.My brother was 4 and my sister was 1-5.We were living in germany then (for 7yrs now then for 5) so we were fluent in german my dad wanted a german babysitter but my mom refused.She searched for somebody from macedonia on facebook and found her EB.She called EB and asked her i she wanted to babysit for her and sead that she would pay for the plane ticket and all.EB was not thankful for 1 ticket and asked for 1 more for her son EK.My mom being nice and needing help cus my dad is a truck driver and isnt home most of the time she sed yes.Then they came the EK was 7 like me but shorter.Everything was good for 3 weeks.Then EK hit my Brother in the chest.My brother was very small and sensitive so i hurt him.He starts crying and the EK bursts out loughing.I was in my room watching cartoons when i heard him cry it was loud so everybody in the house were going to see what happened.When i come down i was fast so i got downstairs first.I see my brother crying and ask him what happened he sead that the EK hit him.I rush to EK and ask why he did that he got scared becouse im taller than him and just ran to his mom the EB.my mom comes and asks me what happened i told her that EK hit B.She goes mad and goes to EB and EKs room she asks them if it is true and she BLAMES IT ON ME.She was saying that i hit him and threatend to hit EK to. My mom didnt bealive it but let it slide becouse EK was just a kid.Then the next time the EB was watching youtube on our tv with us and my brother was sitting next to her i was sitting on the sofa chair.then my brother wanted to watch a cartoon but EB didnt know which one my brother was saying that one then she would scroll to some other cartoon and say not that one this one.My brother wanted to watch something like dinoland or dinosours.she was sayng no that isnt good and put on a girly show like barbie.my brother didnt like that and started to sob then cry.she got furious(later we dicovered why she got furious and why she was always in a bad mood)When that happened she slapped him hard across the face my brother had a handprint for like 20 minutes after that.So my brother started crying out of his mind.My mom came from the kitchen and asks OP why is your brother crying.i say EB hit B and then she starts to tell excuses and saying that i hit my own brother.My mom looked at my brother and saw his cheek red with a handprit that is not my size.She starts screaming at EB and seas pack yours and your brats bags you dirty Bi*** she ran of in their room then at the right moment my dad came they calm down B. then they go to the living room EB comes down for some water and sees my dad she instantly falls in love with him for some reason.Then we find out why shes in a bad mood all the time. my mom had a babymonitor in the room that their staying. she turned it on and to their shock listened to it all.She was in the middle of a divorce and when she saw my dad she fell in love with him becouse of that.she was speaking on the phone with her friend and she was sayng now that im getting divorced i could maybe steal this bi***s mans i might lure her outside the house and hook up with husband while shes gone hes always tired and sleeps alot so maybe when hes sleeping i could jump in the bed with him. my mom storms into her room ad just kicks her out of the house she gives her money for a ticket to go back to macedonia then orders them a taksi and says goodbye.
It does not end there though when we had gone back to macedonia for holidays my mom and my grandma had gone to the store.Then they see EB and her mother which is also entitled.they aproach to my grandma becouse they know eachoder and start talking a bit then my mom comes and joins in the conversation my mom knowing who i is.EB and her mother didnt recognise my mother and then they bring in the conversation about my mom kicking EB out of the house for no reason that shes a P***y and a wh*** and a Bi**h and all of that then my mom reveals herself.EB and her mother start backing of and disapiering my grandma and mom loughed and went home.
This was my Entitled Parents story hope everybody reading this enjoyed the story
i love redditor and hope he reads it i watched all his videos
2019.08.25 06:52 sphagettilover6969 Bad Babysitter Slaps My Brother,THEN TELLS LIES TO MY MOM THAT I HIT HIM TWICE
So to start it of,im 13 years old,im from Macedonia,my english is not the best so sorry for mistakes,
The Cast, EM/EB the entitled babysitter,EK entitled kid,M my mom,OP me,B my brother,S my sister
This was when i was 7yrs old so there can be some mistakes from my memory.My brother was 4 and my sister was 1-5.We were living in germany then (for 7yrs now then for 5) so we were fluent in german my dad wanted a german babysitter but my mom refused.She searched for somebody from macedonia on facebook and found her EB.She called EB and asked her i she wanted to babysit for her and sead that she would pay for the plane ticket and all.EB was not thankful for 1 ticket and asked for 1 more for her son EK.My mom being nice and needing help cus my dad is a truck driver and isnt home most of the time she sed yes.Then they came the EK was 7 like me but shorter.Everything was good for 3 weeks.Then EK hit my Brother in the chest.My brother was very small and sensitive so i hurt him.He starts crying and the EK bursts out loughing.I was in my room watching cartoons when i heard him cry it was loud so everybody in the house were going to see what happened.When i come down i was fast so i got downstairs first.I see my brother crying and ask him what happened he sead that the EK hit him.I rush to EK and ask why he did that he got scared becouse im taller than him and just ran to his mom the EB.my mom comes and asks me what happened i told her that EK hit B.She goes mad and goes to EB and EKs room she asks them if it is true and she BLAMES IT ON ME.She was saying that i hit him and threatend to hit EK to. My mom didnt bealive it but let it slide becouse EK was just a kid.Then the next time the EB was watching youtube on our tv with us and my brother was sitting next to her i was sitting on the sofa chair.then my brother wanted to watch a cartoon but EB didnt know which one my brother was saying that one then she would scroll to some other cartoon and say not that one this one.My brother wanted to watch something like dinoland or dinosours.she was sayng no that isnt good and put on a girly show like barbie.my brother didnt like that and started to sob then cry.she got furious(later we dicovered why she got furious and why she was always in a bad mood)When that happened she slapped him hard across the face my brother had a handprint for like 20 minutes after that.So my brother started crying out of his mind.My mom came from the kitchen and asks OP why is your brother crying.i say EB hit B and then she starts to tell excuses and saying that i hit my own brother.My mom looked at my brother and saw his cheek red with a handprit that is not my size.She starts screaming at EB and seas pack yours and your brats bags you dirty Bi*** she ran of in their room then at the right moment my dad came they calm down B. then they go to the living room EB comes down for some water and sees my dad she instantly falls in love with him for some reason.Then we find out why shes in a bad mood all the time. my mom had a babymonitor in the room that their staying. she turned it on and to their shock listened to it all.She was in the middle of a divorce and when she saw my dad she fell in love with him becouse of that.she was speaking on the phone with her friend and she was sayng now that im getting divorced i could maybe steal this bi***s mans i might lure her outside the house and hook up with husband while shes gone hes always tired and sleeps alot so maybe when hes sleeping i could jump in the bed with him. my mom storms into her room ad just kicks her out of the house she gives her money for a ticket to go back to macedonia then orders them a taksi and says goodbye.
It does not end there though when we had gone back to macedonia for holidays my mom and my grandma had gone to the store.Then they see EB and her mother which is also entitled.they aproach to my grandma becouse they know eachoder and start talking a bit then my mom comes and joins in the conversation my mom knowing who i is.EB and her mother didnt recognise my mother and then they bring in the conversation about my mom kicking EB out of the house for no reason that shes a P***y and a wh*** and a Bi**h and all of that then my mom reveals herself.EB and her mother start backing of and disapiering my grandma and mom loughed and went home.
This was my Entitled Parents story hope everybody reading this enjoyed the story
and i would love redditor to read this i love his videos and watched every single one of them peace
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The Cast, EM/EB the entitled babysitter,EK entitled kid,M my mom,OP me,B my brother,S my sister
This was when i was 7yrs old so there can be some mistakes from my memory.My brother was 4 and my sister was 1-5.We were living in germany then (for 7yrs now then for 5) so we were fluent in german my dad wanted a german babysitter but my mom refused.She searched for somebody from macedonia on facebook and found her EB.She called EB and asked her i she wanted to babysit for her and sead that she would pay for the plane ticket and all.EB was not thankful for 1 ticket and asked for 1 more for her son EK.My mom being nice and needing help cus my dad is a truck driver and isnt home most of the time she sed yes.Then they came the EK was 7 like me but shorter.Everything was good for 3 weeks.Then EK hit my Brother in the chest.My brother was very small and sensitive so i hurt him.He starts crying and the EK bursts out loughing.I was in my room watching cartoons when i heard him cry it was loud so everybody in the house were going to see what happened.When i come down i was fast so i got downstairs first.I see my brother crying and ask him what happened he sead that the EK hit him.I rush to EK and ask why he did that he got scared becouse im taller than him and just ran to his mom the EB.my mom comes and asks me what happened i told her that EK hit B.She goes mad and goes to EB and EKs room she asks them if it is true and she BLAMES IT ON ME.She was saying that i hit him and threatend to hit EK to. My mom didnt bealive it but let it slide becouse EK was just a kid.Then the next time the EB was watching youtube on our tv with us and my brother was sitting next to her i was sitting on the sofa chair.then my brother wanted to watch a cartoon but EB didnt know which one my brother was saying that one then she would scroll to some other cartoon and say not that one this one.My brother wanted to watch something like dinoland or dinosours.she was sayng no that isnt good and put on a girly show like barbie.my brother didnt like that and started to sob then cry.she got furious(later we dicovered why she got furious and why she was always in a bad mood)When that happened she slapped him hard across the face my brother had a handprint for like 20 minutes after that.So my brother started crying out of his mind.My mom came from the kitchen and asks OP why is your brother crying.i say EB hit B and then she starts to tell excuses and saying that i hit my own brother.My mom looked at my brother and saw his cheek red with a handprit that is not my size.She starts screaming at EB and seas pack yours and your brats bags you dirty Bi*** she ran of in their room then at the right moment my dad came they calm down B. then they go to the living room EB comes down for some water and sees my dad she instantly falls in love with him for some reason.Then we find out why shes in a bad mood all the time. my mom had a babymonitor in the room that their staying. she turned it on and to their shock listened to it all.She was in the middle of a divorce and when she saw my dad she fell in love with him becouse of that.she was speaking on the phone with her friend and she was sayng now that im getting divorced i could maybe steal this bi***s mans i might lure her outside the house and hook up with husband while shes gone hes always tired and sleeps alot so maybe when hes sleeping i could jump in the bed with him. my mom storms into her room ad just kicks her out of the house she gives her money for a ticket to go back to macedonia then orders them a taksi and says goodbye.
It does not end there though when we had gone back to macedonia for holidays my mom and my grandma had gone to the store.Then they see EB and her mother which is also entitled.they aproach to my grandma becouse they know eachoder and start talking a bit then my mom comes and joins in the conversation my mom knowing who i is.EB and her mother didnt recognise my mother and then they bring in the conversation about my mom kicking EB out of the house for no reason that shes a P***y and a wh*** and a Bi**h and all of that then my mom reveals herself.EB and her mother start backing of and disapiering my grandma and mom loughed and went home.
This was my Entitled Parents story hope everybody reading this enjoyed the story
and i would love redditor to read this i love his videos and watched every single one of them peace
2019.01.14 17:07 fanfictionmusiclover Running Away
Okay, i had this dream couple days ago. I didn't post it because i thought it was a stupid dream with a very straight foward meaning but it's so uplifting and sort of fascinating and i thought you might like to read...
Okay here we go;
I'm sitting in the kitchen of my parent's house and i'm feeling stressed and angry and i have my hands rubbing my face and hand and as i let them down i see my mum and my aunt fighting about something i think it's stupid. Then i see my sister and my dad also there sitting next to me. Then i stand up and i go to the living room aka my room when i'm with them and i start to pack my things and i'm sad but the feeling i'm feeling the most is anger.
Then i marched through the door and i'm going out just then i come face to face with a guy from the apartment on my left and somehow i know his name is Gregory and as we see each other with sigh in a tired tone and we get into the elevetor and then we burst out laughing and it's a nervous laugh. I see he has a bag too and i somehow know he is running away too.
We walk together to the bus station which is near my house you just walk down the road for ten minutes and you are there both in the dream and real life.
Then we get a bus for my college town aka Thessaloniki and from the we take a bus for a town in Spain. But here is the thing, Gregory and I had played rock paper sizzors sho(e), he wanted Italy and i wanted Spain and i won (because it's my dream ahahahaha).
As we board the bus i see a goth couple in front of our seats, the woman was searching for camping gear on Amazon and then man was reading a travel guide. To our right it's a red headed man that was reading Heracles Puraro in Albanian and the couple before him they are Hippies playing a word game on their phone and they were fighting about some word and points. Somehow i felt connected to them and i smile at them and they are waving at us.
We sit down to our seats and soon enough the bus starts and i fall asleep. I'm shaken out of my sleep and it's night out and Gregory tells me that we are stopping for twenty minutes because the driver has a cramp and i rush to the bathroom with both Goth woman and the Hippy woman and we a laughing because they are three stools and we all wanted to go.
The Goth woman named Anna tells me that she has a clock and she timed it and that we shouldn't worry. Once we are done we go and buy bunch of snacks and we run back into the bus just in time. The boys told us that they had a similar bathroom experience.
Soon we were all laughing and exchanging stories.
Somehow i blink and i'm in a very cute apartment and my alarm clock is ringing. I get up and get ready and for some reason i'm so happy i think i will explode!
Then i go to a small tourist cafe where an old lady by the name of Estella, a second generation immigrant from Greece to Spain, owns the cafe and she had hired me because of my good English and the awesome coffee i make. I see myself working and i feel whole for some reason and very lightweighted.
As i take a break i ask Estella in great Spanish i might add if i could have 31st of August up to 23rd of September free for a trip Gregory and i are planning. She says yes and i hug her then i invite her too.
Somehow i found myself surrounded with clothes and suitaces while Gregory yells from the bathroom if we will need to pack shampoo just in case the hotel has something that i'm allergic to. I yell yes as i pack. Then i feel something hitting me in my head and it's a loofa and Gregory is laughing his ass off.
Next thing i know we are on a bus and i know that in order to be here we had to have taken an airplane and as i look around i see the Hippie couple now i know they are named Elena and Stathis, the Goth couple named Anna and Eric and the red head dude named Spiros and of course Estella and we are complaining to each other about the delay we had on the airport.
During that i seem to stare at Spiros while i try to realize where i have seen him before in that moment i realize it's all a dream and Spiros is the guy i had seen three more times in different dreams (i will post about it someday). As i blink again we are in a tavern and we are eating and drinking and i know we are drunk because we are doing pretty stupid stuff like attempting to dance and falling down and we say stories and repeat ourselves yet we laugh even harder. Now i'm sitting next to Spiros and Gregory next to Anna and they look pretty cozy and i'm confused then i remember a piece of information about Anna and Eric they aren't a couple but brother and sister and Gregory is dating Anna and plans to propose tonight by the sea.
While i hold hands with Spiros as we laugh to a story about Estella's brother and his first attempt at fishing. Then a family from the table behind us ask us to keep quiet and i look at them and yell "Sorry. We will try to keep our voices down" in German which shocks me and i look at them and they smile as they come and sit with us. Soon all of us are laughing and talking including the Greman family.
As i stand up to go ask for more Ouzo and water i hear the bell of the tarven's door and i see my parents and sister walking in they haven't seen me yet but i feel true horror as i franticaly kick Gregory's legs and shake my hand to my family's general direction. Once he sees them he nodds and whispers something to Anna he stands up take the Ouzo and water bottles and then tells me to follow him. I do as i'm told and we give order for the drinks and i pay for the food then he and i sneak out and we go towards the beach the tavern is near to.
There he hugs me and tries to calm me down while i say that i don't want to go back. He tells me that if i'm forced to go back Estella can and will adopt me if i tell her the abuse i had suffered in and cause me to end up in Spain.
I tell Gregory that if i tell Estella he has to tell Anna and Eric about his abuse too.
We sit by the shore and we throw rocks in it while i tell him how i grew up hearing his parents and siblings fight all the time. He tells me how he remembers when a summer i was visiting my late grandma had called me terrible things that resulted into me grabbing my five year old sister and our stuff and leaving only to spent half of the night in the benches near our house only for my aunt to come and get us back home. He also said that he remembers how i had bang on their door when we were sixteen and yelling at them to shut up because you were studying and how the next day you watched as the police did the same thing and took his parents away for the night.
Then i turn to him and i'm crying and i say that we have to tell them that we are not brother and sister and he hugs me saying how we always be brother and sister because of what keeps us togethers. Then i can see in the distance my sister running yelling my name and i grab Gregory's hand and we run back to the tavern. There i find our friends who i consider my family waiting for us in order to order desserts. As we order i see my mum staring at me and i pretend i haven't seen her. I try to act as if i don't feel my parents' stares and i laugh as Spiros and Anna attempt to dance tango only for Estella to yell that they are doing it wrong and that this dance it's Salsa. Then the little girl from the German family stands up and invites me to dance with her to show them what "real" tango looks like. I end up dancing with the little girl in a mocking manner since she is shorted then me and then i picked her up and twirl her around while she giggles. Then her brother wants me to do the same to him and i do. Then i'm asked by the mother of those kids if i and Spiros would like to visit them for Christmas in Oslo and i say that we will think about it. Of course all this conversations happens in German and i can hear my dad asking my mum in Greek when did i learn German.
After we eat the dessert we all stand up and get ready to leave while we hug and say our goodbye to the German family and they promise to call us once they land safely in Oslo since apperantly that day was the last of their vacation.
As i hug them i close my eyes and when i open them i'm standing before a grave and it writes "Estella Loren 1969-2020" And i'm crying while i feel Gregory and Spiros hugging me sayng how it was her time and that she will always watch over me.
I nod as we walk back to the car and i see Anna holding a baby and she is crying too saying how she didn't expect that she will have a heart attack during the party in her wedding and how she feels guilty about it. Then i know that Gregory and Anna named their daughter after her. As we get into the car i feel something very weird like i'm dizzy and i'm sweating a lot with cold sweat. Anna tells me i'm having an anxiety attack and i look at her in true horror saying how i had nothing to feel anxious about before i couldn't breathe. Then i faint inside the car.
When i come around i'm in my bed and Gregory tells me that someone is at the door asking for me and i instantly know it's my sister. I walk to her and i ask her rudely what is she doing here. She tells me how mum and dad were looking for me for years and they were sorry and i should return.
I laugh bitterly but before i could say anything Gregory marches up the door and yells at my sister that i won't return back to the abusive hell hole and that if they wanted me back they shouldn't have treated me poorly and showed no support. And that now i had a better family then them. Then he slams the door and i look at him as he hugs me and we both sigh in a tired tone.
Next thing i know i'm in the cafe which now is mine apperantly and i'm taking an order from a group of Swedish tourist when i see two blond teens around the age of thirteen walking in and look around as if they look for someone. I approch them asking if they want something and they smile as both of them jumped in my arms saying how they missed me. Then i remember them it's the boy and the girl from the German family and for some reason i know i have to see them only one year since after that time we met in the tavern we spent every Christmas holiday with them.
I'm confused and i ask them how Samantha allowed them to travel alone without an adult and they say that their parents are with them but they wanted some "alone time" so they decided to come and help me out in the cafe. I smile and i give them their aprons with their names "Gwen" and "Henry" on them. I kiss their foreheads and wish them good luck in German. As i turn around i see my dad and my mum staring at me sad but i don't want them here so i ignore them during my shift. When i finish and i'm closing Henry tells me that my parents are still here and refuse to leave until they speak to me. I say okay and i tell them to go back to their hotel and that Spiros and I we will come by once i shower. He nods and runs back inside as i walk towards my parents and i sit next to them.
During the entire dream i felt nothing but happiness and a little dread every time i would see my parents or my sister.
They ask me why i left and i tell them that i was done with the circle of abuse, first mum and aunt then mum and dad towards me and my sister and then between me and my sister. I told them i was tired of fighting and walking on eggshells every day and i was tired of having no support and being told that having depression and anxiety was my fault and it was a result of me being a sensitive child. I was done being told that being sensitve was a weakness when in reality it was my stregnth and then i tell them to look around them and see what i accomplished by being sensitive ol' me. I had friends that i call them my family, i had a job that i liked and most of all i was in peace. I told them that if something happened right now and i died i would gladly go because i have no unfinished business or burdens to keep me here.
Then i stand up and i tell them to go away because i need to close shop. During my speech i never felt more calm and i had a small smile while my parents looked hurt.
As i'm closing shop i sense Spiros behind me and he hugs me saying how proud he was of me for telling them that. I found it weird since he wasn't present when i spoke to my parents and he then says that he always hears everything.
Then i laugh and say "Yeah, you're my guardian angel." in a sarcastic tone but as i lock and turn to look at him he is dead serious and just stares at me.
"What?" I asked and he saying nothing as we hold hands and we walk away. As i walk to my apartment i have this strong urge to sleep which doesn't make sense since it's noon and i had to meet Samantha and the others but i want nothing more but to sleep. I tell to Spiros to wake me up at six thirty so i can have a quick shower and then go meet them. He says he will and then helps get under the covers. As he says good night i just close my eyes and i sigh as i smell the scent of madarin.
Then i wake up and i'm in real life and i smell madarin because my aunt has shoved a mandarin in my nose to wake me up because i slept through my entire day and it was dark outside again. She told me that she yelled at me and blasted music and even shook me but nothing worked. She told me i was laughing and crying while i was asleep and even sleep talk but she didn't know what i was saying since it wasn't Greek or English. Then i asked her if it sounded German or Spanish and she admitted it was a mix of those two...weird...i don't know German but i do know a little bit of Spanish not enough to communicate but i can understand a few words. Under other circumastances i'm a very light sleeper i wake up when i'm shaken or having music on but this time i didn't...and honestly that dream was so real and so long that i really thought it was my reality. During my afternoon i couldn't stop but feel energized and happy but at the same time i wanted to go back to that dream more than anything.
So, what are your thoughts of that dream? Why was it so hard to wake me up? Has anything similar happen to you? If no then i hope you enjoyed reading it.
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Okay here we go;
I'm sitting in the kitchen of my parent's house and i'm feeling stressed and angry and i have my hands rubbing my face and hand and as i let them down i see my mum and my aunt fighting about something i think it's stupid. Then i see my sister and my dad also there sitting next to me. Then i stand up and i go to the living room aka my room when i'm with them and i start to pack my things and i'm sad but the feeling i'm feeling the most is anger.
Then i marched through the door and i'm going out just then i come face to face with a guy from the apartment on my left and somehow i know his name is Gregory and as we see each other with sigh in a tired tone and we get into the elevetor and then we burst out laughing and it's a nervous laugh. I see he has a bag too and i somehow know he is running away too.
We walk together to the bus station which is near my house you just walk down the road for ten minutes and you are there both in the dream and real life.
Then we get a bus for my college town aka Thessaloniki and from the we take a bus for a town in Spain. But here is the thing, Gregory and I had played rock paper sizzors sho(e), he wanted Italy and i wanted Spain and i won (because it's my dream ahahahaha).
As we board the bus i see a goth couple in front of our seats, the woman was searching for camping gear on Amazon and then man was reading a travel guide. To our right it's a red headed man that was reading Heracles Puraro in Albanian and the couple before him they are Hippies playing a word game on their phone and they were fighting about some word and points. Somehow i felt connected to them and i smile at them and they are waving at us.
We sit down to our seats and soon enough the bus starts and i fall asleep. I'm shaken out of my sleep and it's night out and Gregory tells me that we are stopping for twenty minutes because the driver has a cramp and i rush to the bathroom with both Goth woman and the Hippy woman and we a laughing because they are three stools and we all wanted to go.
The Goth woman named Anna tells me that she has a clock and she timed it and that we shouldn't worry. Once we are done we go and buy bunch of snacks and we run back into the bus just in time. The boys told us that they had a similar bathroom experience.
Soon we were all laughing and exchanging stories.
Somehow i blink and i'm in a very cute apartment and my alarm clock is ringing. I get up and get ready and for some reason i'm so happy i think i will explode!
Then i go to a small tourist cafe where an old lady by the name of Estella, a second generation immigrant from Greece to Spain, owns the cafe and she had hired me because of my good English and the awesome coffee i make. I see myself working and i feel whole for some reason and very lightweighted.
As i take a break i ask Estella in great Spanish i might add if i could have 31st of August up to 23rd of September free for a trip Gregory and i are planning. She says yes and i hug her then i invite her too.
Somehow i found myself surrounded with clothes and suitaces while Gregory yells from the bathroom if we will need to pack shampoo just in case the hotel has something that i'm allergic to. I yell yes as i pack. Then i feel something hitting me in my head and it's a loofa and Gregory is laughing his ass off.
Next thing i know we are on a bus and i know that in order to be here we had to have taken an airplane and as i look around i see the Hippie couple now i know they are named Elena and Stathis, the Goth couple named Anna and Eric and the red head dude named Spiros and of course Estella and we are complaining to each other about the delay we had on the airport.
During that i seem to stare at Spiros while i try to realize where i have seen him before in that moment i realize it's all a dream and Spiros is the guy i had seen three more times in different dreams (i will post about it someday). As i blink again we are in a tavern and we are eating and drinking and i know we are drunk because we are doing pretty stupid stuff like attempting to dance and falling down and we say stories and repeat ourselves yet we laugh even harder. Now i'm sitting next to Spiros and Gregory next to Anna and they look pretty cozy and i'm confused then i remember a piece of information about Anna and Eric they aren't a couple but brother and sister and Gregory is dating Anna and plans to propose tonight by the sea.
While i hold hands with Spiros as we laugh to a story about Estella's brother and his first attempt at fishing. Then a family from the table behind us ask us to keep quiet and i look at them and yell "Sorry. We will try to keep our voices down" in German which shocks me and i look at them and they smile as they come and sit with us. Soon all of us are laughing and talking including the Greman family.
As i stand up to go ask for more Ouzo and water i hear the bell of the tarven's door and i see my parents and sister walking in they haven't seen me yet but i feel true horror as i franticaly kick Gregory's legs and shake my hand to my family's general direction. Once he sees them he nodds and whispers something to Anna he stands up take the Ouzo and water bottles and then tells me to follow him. I do as i'm told and we give order for the drinks and i pay for the food then he and i sneak out and we go towards the beach the tavern is near to.
There he hugs me and tries to calm me down while i say that i don't want to go back. He tells me that if i'm forced to go back Estella can and will adopt me if i tell her the abuse i had suffered in and cause me to end up in Spain.
I tell Gregory that if i tell Estella he has to tell Anna and Eric about his abuse too.
We sit by the shore and we throw rocks in it while i tell him how i grew up hearing his parents and siblings fight all the time. He tells me how he remembers when a summer i was visiting my late grandma had called me terrible things that resulted into me grabbing my five year old sister and our stuff and leaving only to spent half of the night in the benches near our house only for my aunt to come and get us back home. He also said that he remembers how i had bang on their door when we were sixteen and yelling at them to shut up because you were studying and how the next day you watched as the police did the same thing and took his parents away for the night.
Then i turn to him and i'm crying and i say that we have to tell them that we are not brother and sister and he hugs me saying how we always be brother and sister because of what keeps us togethers. Then i can see in the distance my sister running yelling my name and i grab Gregory's hand and we run back to the tavern. There i find our friends who i consider my family waiting for us in order to order desserts. As we order i see my mum staring at me and i pretend i haven't seen her. I try to act as if i don't feel my parents' stares and i laugh as Spiros and Anna attempt to dance tango only for Estella to yell that they are doing it wrong and that this dance it's Salsa. Then the little girl from the German family stands up and invites me to dance with her to show them what "real" tango looks like. I end up dancing with the little girl in a mocking manner since she is shorted then me and then i picked her up and twirl her around while she giggles. Then her brother wants me to do the same to him and i do. Then i'm asked by the mother of those kids if i and Spiros would like to visit them for Christmas in Oslo and i say that we will think about it. Of course all this conversations happens in German and i can hear my dad asking my mum in Greek when did i learn German.
After we eat the dessert we all stand up and get ready to leave while we hug and say our goodbye to the German family and they promise to call us once they land safely in Oslo since apperantly that day was the last of their vacation.
As i hug them i close my eyes and when i open them i'm standing before a grave and it writes "Estella Loren 1969-2020" And i'm crying while i feel Gregory and Spiros hugging me sayng how it was her time and that she will always watch over me.
I nod as we walk back to the car and i see Anna holding a baby and she is crying too saying how she didn't expect that she will have a heart attack during the party in her wedding and how she feels guilty about it. Then i know that Gregory and Anna named their daughter after her. As we get into the car i feel something very weird like i'm dizzy and i'm sweating a lot with cold sweat. Anna tells me i'm having an anxiety attack and i look at her in true horror saying how i had nothing to feel anxious about before i couldn't breathe. Then i faint inside the car.
When i come around i'm in my bed and Gregory tells me that someone is at the door asking for me and i instantly know it's my sister. I walk to her and i ask her rudely what is she doing here. She tells me how mum and dad were looking for me for years and they were sorry and i should return.
I laugh bitterly but before i could say anything Gregory marches up the door and yells at my sister that i won't return back to the abusive hell hole and that if they wanted me back they shouldn't have treated me poorly and showed no support. And that now i had a better family then them. Then he slams the door and i look at him as he hugs me and we both sigh in a tired tone.
Next thing i know i'm in the cafe which now is mine apperantly and i'm taking an order from a group of Swedish tourist when i see two blond teens around the age of thirteen walking in and look around as if they look for someone. I approch them asking if they want something and they smile as both of them jumped in my arms saying how they missed me. Then i remember them it's the boy and the girl from the German family and for some reason i know i have to see them only one year since after that time we met in the tavern we spent every Christmas holiday with them.
I'm confused and i ask them how Samantha allowed them to travel alone without an adult and they say that their parents are with them but they wanted some "alone time" so they decided to come and help me out in the cafe. I smile and i give them their aprons with their names "Gwen" and "Henry" on them. I kiss their foreheads and wish them good luck in German. As i turn around i see my dad and my mum staring at me sad but i don't want them here so i ignore them during my shift. When i finish and i'm closing Henry tells me that my parents are still here and refuse to leave until they speak to me. I say okay and i tell them to go back to their hotel and that Spiros and I we will come by once i shower. He nods and runs back inside as i walk towards my parents and i sit next to them.
During the entire dream i felt nothing but happiness and a little dread every time i would see my parents or my sister.
They ask me why i left and i tell them that i was done with the circle of abuse, first mum and aunt then mum and dad towards me and my sister and then between me and my sister. I told them i was tired of fighting and walking on eggshells every day and i was tired of having no support and being told that having depression and anxiety was my fault and it was a result of me being a sensitive child. I was done being told that being sensitve was a weakness when in reality it was my stregnth and then i tell them to look around them and see what i accomplished by being sensitive ol' me. I had friends that i call them my family, i had a job that i liked and most of all i was in peace. I told them that if something happened right now and i died i would gladly go because i have no unfinished business or burdens to keep me here.
Then i stand up and i tell them to go away because i need to close shop. During my speech i never felt more calm and i had a small smile while my parents looked hurt.
As i'm closing shop i sense Spiros behind me and he hugs me saying how proud he was of me for telling them that. I found it weird since he wasn't present when i spoke to my parents and he then says that he always hears everything.
Then i laugh and say "Yeah, you're my guardian angel." in a sarcastic tone but as i lock and turn to look at him he is dead serious and just stares at me.
"What?" I asked and he saying nothing as we hold hands and we walk away. As i walk to my apartment i have this strong urge to sleep which doesn't make sense since it's noon and i had to meet Samantha and the others but i want nothing more but to sleep. I tell to Spiros to wake me up at six thirty so i can have a quick shower and then go meet them. He says he will and then helps get under the covers. As he says good night i just close my eyes and i sigh as i smell the scent of madarin.
Then i wake up and i'm in real life and i smell madarin because my aunt has shoved a mandarin in my nose to wake me up because i slept through my entire day and it was dark outside again. She told me that she yelled at me and blasted music and even shook me but nothing worked. She told me i was laughing and crying while i was asleep and even sleep talk but she didn't know what i was saying since it wasn't Greek or English. Then i asked her if it sounded German or Spanish and she admitted it was a mix of those two...weird...i don't know German but i do know a little bit of Spanish not enough to communicate but i can understand a few words. Under other circumastances i'm a very light sleeper i wake up when i'm shaken or having music on but this time i didn't...and honestly that dream was so real and so long that i really thought it was my reality. During my afternoon i couldn't stop but feel energized and happy but at the same time i wanted to go back to that dream more than anything.
So, what are your thoughts of that dream? Why was it so hard to wake me up? Has anything similar happen to you? If no then i hope you enjoyed reading it.
2018.09.30 16:32 Ali_gem_1 Landlord just... keeping chunk of deposit for no reason, not replying to emails.. and flatmate hasnt returned the other share
This is gonna be long, sorry in advance!!
Just moved out of a student house, shared with 5 other girls. I paid £370 deposit, left house tidy and no damage, to the v best of my ability...
Landlord (LL) has kept back around £60 from the total deposit (about £2160 iirc). NOt a very large amount if it was shared evenly between the housemates, I'd not be making a fuss - BUT
the other girls have arbirtrarily said because i live on the 2nd floor and LL is keeping deposit to repaint walls... i use the most walls because i live on the top floor. So I have to pay the biggest share of this loss out of the deposit.
Yeah. I know. It's not that my room was named as the problem - if that was the case, fine. but it's just a generic retention.
so now £25 has been deducted from my deposit and my blood is boiling.
FULL deposit has been put into Lead Tenant (S)'s account... and a month later I havent seen it/had it. contract DID say deposit would be returned like that but not that she could keep it a month surely?
LL has given no invoice to say why he removed that much - I know fair wear and tear cant be used to keep deposit and the walls weren't bad, at all- maybe a few scuffs from bags/sofas but that's all. Asked for proof deposit was ever in a secure scheme- i never got an email about it, and he managed to deduct ''wrong amount'' initially when sending it to S (minus 10 ) but i did check mydeposits and it said there was a deposit in there at our address under S's name so I'm confused! last year i was contacted directly by the deposit scheme and I wasn't so..
LL not replying to contact. Agents not replying at all. S not replying... so I'm £400 short . S keeps sayng 'I'll send it next week' but not doing so - but appears to be same for all 4 other flatmates (but they're all passive and apparently keen to lose deposit illegally so not helping me at all)
I know it's ''ONLY'' £25 or so that I've been shortchanged but the whole process of events has me mad- my parents are lawyers, so are my uncles and my brother soooo I kinda feel like this blatent walking all over me/contract is muggng me off. (not property lawyers- i just mean that being raised talking about law etc makes it harderfor me to accept ppl ignoring it)
not sure what to do next? Oh and S doesn't like me so she is keen to short change me as much as possible and keep me out of the loop so. any advice? I HATE letting slummy landlords just get away with shit jut bc we're young students so it's not about the £20.
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Just moved out of a student house, shared with 5 other girls. I paid £370 deposit, left house tidy and no damage, to the v best of my ability...
Landlord (LL) has kept back around £60 from the total deposit (about £2160 iirc). NOt a very large amount if it was shared evenly between the housemates, I'd not be making a fuss - BUT
the other girls have arbirtrarily said because i live on the 2nd floor and LL is keeping deposit to repaint walls... i use the most walls because i live on the top floor. So I have to pay the biggest share of this loss out of the deposit.
Yeah. I know. It's not that my room was named as the problem - if that was the case, fine. but it's just a generic retention.
so now £25 has been deducted from my deposit and my blood is boiling.
FULL deposit has been put into Lead Tenant (S)'s account... and a month later I havent seen it/had it. contract DID say deposit would be returned like that but not that she could keep it a month surely?
LL has given no invoice to say why he removed that much - I know fair wear and tear cant be used to keep deposit and the walls weren't bad, at all- maybe a few scuffs from bags/sofas but that's all. Asked for proof deposit was ever in a secure scheme- i never got an email about it, and he managed to deduct ''wrong amount'' initially when sending it to S (minus 10 ) but i did check mydeposits and it said there was a deposit in there at our address under S's name so I'm confused! last year i was contacted directly by the deposit scheme and I wasn't so..
LL not replying to contact. Agents not replying at all. S not replying... so I'm £400 short . S keeps sayng 'I'll send it next week' but not doing so - but appears to be same for all 4 other flatmates (but they're all passive and apparently keen to lose deposit illegally so not helping me at all)
I know it's ''ONLY'' £25 or so that I've been shortchanged but the whole process of events has me mad- my parents are lawyers, so are my uncles and my brother soooo I kinda feel like this blatent walking all over me/contract is muggng me off. (not property lawyers- i just mean that being raised talking about law etc makes it harderfor me to accept ppl ignoring it)
not sure what to do next? Oh and S doesn't like me so she is keen to short change me as much as possible and keep me out of the loop so. any advice? I HATE letting slummy landlords just get away with shit jut bc we're young students so it's not about the £20.
2018.07.23 08:30 Break-The-Walls New Boy's Bethel Experience Part X - XIII
Part X
There were guys at Bethel, who had GREAT jobs........Like Don Brouex.....he was the receptionist at the 124 Desk....checking in and "checking out" ......all the bethel tours and "hot" sisters......on there way through the "Home tour"............That my friend, is NOT a real bethel JOB.There were guys at bethel, that had GREAT congergations with maybe only 2-4 bethelities in their halls. One Hall, Midtown had over 80 bethelites there.............. 3 old ladies 4 kids and a dog. Odds of getting a home cook meal on Sunday 0%. Roy Baty said he got cheese and crackers at some old sister house after he was there a year and 4 months. A good hall could make all the difference, on how long you could "gut it out" especially if you had a girl friend there.
There were guys at Bethel that, for them, money was NO problem...........parents sent them tons of cash every month, rain or shine.
There were guys................that had all three, they were called "Golden Boys".........Guys that for some reason, God was smiling down on them. They could fall into a bucket of shit and come up with a rose in their teeth.They has good jobs, great KHs, money, a car, and more often then not a good looking "sister" on their arm..................It was great just being around them......You thought that there could be a God after all............That brings me two my next 2 topics Cars and Women...If your are lucky they will both be FAST. lol
A car at bethel was total freedom!.............Why?.........The first two years there........... it was Bethel and your KH, Bethel and your KH.........unless you knew someone with a car to get out of the city. Your only free time was Saturday afternoon & evening.....So Saturday you would take the train down to times square and walk around looking for a good movie to go to, or walk all the way down to flatbush blvd. in Brooklyn. It wasn't unusal to not find one and walk all the way back ........................ Sunday was Service in the morning, meeting in the afternoon and if your were lucky, dinner with a family in the hall that night.
A car could help change some of that. Some guys there had some nice cars too. Jim Pipkorn first had a 65 ford mustang rag top. then a 67 GTO. Dave Borga (Mr G Job king) had a 69 MACH 1, There was a 68 396 rag top Camaro.........anyway they all spelled...... FREEDOM. They did have their problems......one was parking, there was NONE back then......so you would have to drive around "the heights" looking for a spot......If you got back late....that could take up to an hour driving up and down every street with in a half mile.....Or you could park illegally......which many did......sometimes you got lucky....If not it was 10 bucks, 25 dallors for a fire hydrant. The Kennedy boys (Jim and Gary) had a T-Bird and NEVER parked legal!.......they had Georgia plates.......and said what the hell....Well, one day they looked for there car and some other car was parked in their spot.........The city towed it. They went to the pound to get it....................................................... The guy said $356.00 please............they said "KEEP IT"
The other problem was break-ins.......If you had a rag top you would NEVER lock your car. The reason was if they wanted in, they would just take a knife to your roof, so you WOULD let them get in.......But you would put a chain around the steering wheel and brake pedal. So they could hot wire the car and drive away...........but there would be NO brakes. Some guys would put a kill switch in. You would always chain your hood and truck down.........Another thing you would do is always leave your glove box OPEN, to show them there was nothing of value in your car. If you didn't your side mirror would be broken by the next morning.
We would see new cars parked on the street, in "the Heights"........in 6 months they looked like pieces of shit........The reason is, most....... New Yorkers park by SOUND.......... they back in, until they hear.... a CRASH.......then they move forward until they hear.....another.....CRASH.......and ..then they back up and hear the final...............CRASH.......now your parked..........lol
After two years there, things got a little better, I had a fair job on the east frieght elevertor.........and I bought a car for ONE DALLOR. .....thats right one buck........My room mate's girl friend's car, 1968 fairlane, got totaled in a crash. The insurance payed her off and gave her the car. She gave it to me, for a buck. The car looked liked something out of "Mad Max"......it was a complete wreck! ..........every quarter panel was trashed.......It had been rear ended at about 40 mph. the trunk that WAS 5 ft. long was now 3 ft. long........It looked like shit....... but it ran........Believe it or not the 2 years I had it "They" (the worldly people) try to steal it 3 times.............but she was my baby and she was Freedom.
I took Guys to the airport......for $5........good money. I took the guys in my hall to the meetings, they gave me their subway money......5 times .70 cents per trip good money........and last but not least she could get me..............far............ far away..........."from the House of God".
What is G-JOBBING___
It is called Government work- it refers to GOV employees being lazy and just getting a check
well it has to do with bethelites being too lazy to go out and get a real job so we do side jobs to make money while at bethel
and you can make alot if you are in the right "Trade" electrician, plumber, tile setter, roofer, etc and it is all tax free
the Congo in NYC would pay you to work on their halls since most jw in NY are white collar and not tradesmen
we even did work for NONJW- using WT tools , supplies and Trucks and since it was always at COST it was cheap --can you imagine what it would cost to rent a FLATBED truck in NYC to hall Dry wall 2 blocks- smile
all you needed to do was to get the guys who worked in that dept to requisition it under their name- they didn't even need to be there , but they would get their cut- lot of Elders headed up these work teams
so we would use the buying power of the Society to get these supplies for halls and bro in there home many times
some guys were clearing $3,000 a month tax free- bethel has cracked down on it by requiring you to sign a VOW OF POVERTY which is a form from the IRS saying you will not do any side jobs-
also the waiters did lots of G-JOBBING if anyone has been to bethel for lunch they are always impressed with how over 6000, folks can be served in less than 20min- well this is were the waiters come in at
folk like to use the bethelites at thier weddings to serve their guest and if you are talking references just watch the mothers and fathers who have daugthers getting married in a few weeks come up to you afterward and ask you to do thier kids wedding
so the money rolls in beside everyone figures who BETTER TO HELP THAN THE LOWLY BETHELITES
smile
the BREAKER was some guys did a job and the person filed for it on his taxes --of course the IRS wants to know who do we get our money from
well I'd be Damn-- if it ain't some guys who is suppose to be living off $90.00 a month smile
so the society got involved and shut down most of the best money making jobs-
from what I understand you can still do it but you have to go through a lot of hoops
so many guys were missing meetings on the weekend and wiped out on Monday that flags started going up- we had this old nurse Called Sophie ----all my god she would worry you to death if you called in sick on a MONDAY were you out late Sunday night- what time did you get in, etc
old bag man
we had a plumbing job that was bidded out by a Congo in Queens with UNION NYC plumbers that was for $32,000, $36,000 and there was another bid price
so the elders asked the bethelites could we do it- it was a complete job from the street to the inside of the hall to toilets and sinks and tile job
well we could not ask for a set price but only tell the elders WHATEVER YOU BROTHERS WANTED TO GIVE US
well they presented it to the Congo and they came back with $25,000 offer and it would be just 5 of us and they would supply all the manual labor through the local bros.
we are talking $5,000 a piece - no taxes -in a weekend baby with a few follow up days to clean up any leftovers
one of the guys was a MASTER PLUMBER SO HE always got the permits we needed from the city- due to the large amount we got cold feet so we talked with Ralph Walls about it and he told us we needed to consider how would it look with that sum of cash in 2days of work- where in fact it would have been no work at all since we would have merely been overseeing the local guys doing all the digging of the trenches SMILE HEY YOU GOT TO LOVE IT MAN
so we turned it down- DAMN I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT
there is one guy and some of the bethelites on the net know this guy he ran the ROOFING DEPT as the overseer and was (REMOVED FROM THAT JOB FOR THIS REASON) and since all the roofs in NYC on the halls are flat--they are always leaking due to water standing on them
well he would take SOME OF his crew and knock out a roof over a weekend and man he was clocking over 3K amonth, not bad considering you don't have any expenses
but the most famous G -JOBBER OF ALL TIME WAS a bro from out of Texas if I'm correct- any bethelites here will correct me if I'm wrong on the state he is from
any way his name was James (JIM) Spencer he was the photography overseer and he had access to the society's $Million dollar cameras and film and processing equipment and he used to shoot WEDDINGS ON THE WEEKEND- hey like I said YOU GOT TO LOVE IT
NOW CK THIS OUT I had a buddy who was in on the deal-- he worked at the Stanley theater- that is the most expensive assembly hall in the wt arsenal of assembly hall probably
you all know it --the million dollar chandelier- anyway one of my boys was assigned as a keeper when they used bethelites---- now they have a pioneer couple over there --old Ricketts and he is a LITTLE HUSTLER as well
anyway Jim would arrange to use the assembly hall to take couples pictures
and I tell you-- to have your wife coming down the GRAND STAIRCASE IN HER GOWN hey man we are talking GONE WITH THE WIND TYPE STUFF
well my boy could have folks over to the assembly hall after hours as long as they were his guests
man he didn't even know some of the couples
so Spencer would kick him a little "SOMETHING -SOMETHING" SMILE
anyway old Spencer got caught not reimbursing the Society for the equipment and since he was the Overseer of the dept no one really questioned what he was working on late at night
hey it was not your latest mag cover shot- smile
so the "Shit hit the fan" and my man was BUSTED DOWN FROM PHOTO OVERSEER
to working the Bindery lines in the leather gold bible section
it was so embarrassing cause about a month after he got SHAFTED we had an Open tour of the factory were the office guys and the home guys could come over to the factory and see how the book and mags are made
and you guessed it ---my man James Spencer is right on the tour route and all the office guys are walking through laughing their a$$ off at him sitting there sweating with a tee shirt and blue jeans on.
his roommate was Robbie Vela from Hawaii the big island ---he worked upstairs in the bindery on the hardback line and he told us that Spencer would come home from work when he worked in photo dept and there would be TICKETS FOR him to fly to Japan or Rome or anywhere in the world just to take a couple of rolls of film and fly back
man we are talking about living the good life- he flew almost as much as the guys with UPI or AP wire guys
single man living the life and since he was the PO in his hall up in the Bronx he had the best of both worlds in the local hall and at the big house
from what I understand HE MADE A KILLING
well it is now bed time and no more bethel stories until later
smile
James
PS this is the last one it's too good to let pass
now i earned my money when i was at bethel others don't
as you all know by now the spokesman for the wt is a guy named JR Brown as a black man we use to call the the Society's Louis Farrakan
the most powerful speaker every to Grace a wt mike esp in the black community
well anyway he is ACES with larry Graham and larry is always hooking him up along with 1000's of his fans
anyway when he bought his new car alot of the Heavies and i don't mean to get racial,but some of the White boys were not happy
As they would say in the black Hood ""This Negro went out and bought a $45,000 car"
my man drives a top of the line fully loaded "Q45" now go figure how you and i can do that off $90.00 a month
YOU TO TO LOVE IT
Part XI
More about cars and N.Y.C.Back then hundreds of cars were stolen, in the city everyday! The New York Post said "The average life span of a Corvette (sports car) parked on the street was 24 hours!"...........One time coming back from R.I at 2:00 a.m. I took a wrong turn in the South Bronxs.........NOT a place you would want to be in, that time of night............As I was driving around trying to find my way back to the express way, I could see the sparks form the cuting torches, people cuting up the cars they stolen the day before..........I was Praying "Please God get me out of here"
We would see cars, that broke down on the Brooklyn Bridge the night before.........They were pushed to the end of the off ramp.............we would pass them on our way to the factory at 7:45 a.m.........they had no tires...........pass them again going to lunch.............no trunk or doors.............pass them on our way home that night..........no engine or seats............next day, it was just the shell sitting there.
A Brother in my Hall, got a flat trie on the BQE (Brooklyn Queens Express Way) A road, that back then had so many pot holes in it........you would swear it was shelled by mortars......Any way, he gets out of the car and starts jacking up the back end.................Just then.........a car pulls up in front of him and 4 black guys jump out................. and before he could say a word, they start jacking up the front end of his car.........."HAY what are you doing" he asked ............."HAY MOTHER F.....KER!..........YOU GET THE BACK TWO ...........AND WE WILL GET THE FRONT TWO"......they said ........"But this is MY car".......he said .........."YA"...they said ......"YES" he said..........10 seconds later they were down the road...............looking for more parts. This is a true story. If I'm lying am dying.
They didn't always have to work on that Saturday mornings at Bethel............An exBethelite tolded me that back in the 50's, that some Bethelites jump in their car friday night after work and tried to drive to Chicago and be back for breakfast by Monday morning .................They didn't make it.........they crashed the car and three of them died..............So Knorr figured that if they had been working, that would have never happen.........New light, work on Saturday mornings...........that man was a genius.......
My soon to be brother inlaw Mlke Stillman.......had a 1946 orange pickup truck with a camper on the back, made out of old barn wood .........the camper door looked like an old out house door, with a half moon on the back.....and above the door it said ......."KEEP ON TRUCKING".......Calvin Chyke hauled him into his office one day and told him, that he was a disgrace to the organization..........and how dare he put on his truck "KEEP ON TRUCKING"............when EVERYONE knew that REALLY meant KEEP ON F....KING! Oh.........those brothers they just love to have fun with us. There are two types of people in the "Lord's house" the testors and the testies.
As Bob Dyland said........"Some of us are prisioners.........and some us are guardsssss"
I was walking to the the factory one morning in the winter of 1974. I walked by my car and some kids sprayed painted my car with the words "F....k you"........I thought......... did they really mean "Keep on Trucking"........I laughed to myself ............ I wished I had painted it on there instead of them.............Oh yes!....... I waited until someone said something before I took it off....................."But.. Brother I didn't put in on there....I said...." "WE KNOW THAT......just get it OFF."
God.........I wish you could have seen my car. I have a picture of her somewere. "Road Warrior part II" I would drive down the FDR..........Radio on, with Elton John on playing "Rocket Man"......It was like parting the Red Sea.......a 1/2 mile ahead of me......... people start moving into the other lanes......They knew someone was coming............who had NOTHING TO LOSE.
As Bob Dyland said....... "when you got nothing......you got nothing to lose."
Two months before my sentence was up."I was serving a 1 to 4 for impersonating a minister" ....I was walking to the factory one day, my car was parked next to the park. As I passed I notice that someone had taken a ball peen hammer to my wind shield, right were the driver looks out!.......As I looked down the street, I saw ALL the cars, new and old.......... ALL of them had their wind shields smashed..............then I looked up the hill..............all smashed...........I counted 53 cars with smashed windshields that morning.........someone had some fun the night before!
Well that was the death blow for my baby...............They wanted 85 bucks for a new wind shield. There was no way I could put another dollar into that car.............So I drove it up to Rhode Island (180 miles away) one Saturday, with no wind shield it, it was 25 degrees, heater blasting, hoping the cops didn't pull me over. I parked it at my soon to be inlaws house and parted it out........sold the transmission rear end to a friend, keep the engine and tires.......sold the gas tank to Roy Baty, he welded it into his van, because of the gas crisis, now he could buy 35 gallons of gas at a time........ In the end.......she looked just liked one of those cars at the bottom of the Brooklyn Bridge.......R.I.P. sweetheart. My first real love!
Next up............... Love and sex in the "Big House"
Part XII
They say love is what makes the world go around.............And at Bethel, us "new boys" would say..... "If God created anything better then SEX...............he kept it for himself!"How would we know?...............Most of us never had it........Didn't make any difference...........We talked about it...........fantasied about it...........dreamt about it..........I' m sure because we could't have it. That is why we gloryried it so much..... Hay! we were 20 year old virgins!...and some of us were in our 30's! We had some raging hormones going on.
Most of the guys who left Bethel, got married with in a week after leaving the big house! I was different.....I waited 2 weeks!.........I had will power........LOL
Before we talk about sex at bethel............It would be good to talk about the history of sex in the organization............and they would say that started with Adam & Eve.......the real organization is less then 150 years old.......In reality its an 1800's religion.........with an 1800's morals mentality . The Victorian period.
As a Jehovah Witness, sex is strickly FORBIDDEN before marriage........There is no sex before marriage and sadly sometimes very little after.........and since usually the only person you every have sex with is the first person you had sex with..............There is plenty of sexual incompatibility going on too........That is why more people are kicked out of the JWs every year for sexual reasons then anything else. 1 Sex out of wedlock. 2 Sex with someone besides your marriage mate. 3 Sex with your own kids or other people's kids.
So ... that brings us to our Bethelities. Most of people that are called to Bethel, are single young men who are at their sexual peak...They signed a 4 year contract to stay (no matter what).........So you can see we are going to have some very interesting things going on there.
Well were to start?.............we already talked about the gays and the NPGs.......plenty of those. The rest of the guys there, fall into different groups. You had the guys who had girl friends before they came.(they asked them to wait)........the odds of them making their time, were almost 0% I knew of 1 guy that did that in 4 years that way. Guys that got girl friends in the New York area while they were there and guys that got girl friends back home on vacations.........Then of coarse there were some that just got a hooker on 8th ave.............next we'll talk about them all.
Part XIII
Most of us went back to Bethel, thinking we wanted to make it our life long career......what better place to be right before 1975?.............That dream ended for the vast majority after just few months there, when they found out that something was very wrong. Other wise why would anyone want to leave a spiritual paradice?.... With only 2-5% staying after there 4 year commitment, and a very big percentage leaving before there time was even up. The average stay there in 1974 was only about 5 months. It was not a happy place..............they were leaving in droves.Getting a girl friend and having sex, was looking better all the time.............Hay! The GB were doing it, all the bethel, the "heavies" were doing it. ....we wanted it too....Just why do you think Knorr got married?....Did he get married for companionship?......NO!.....There are over 1,500 "brothers" back there he could have that with them. He could do things with them .......sit around and talk about the bible.......or go to a movie .......there were plenty of "brown noses" for that.............Did he get married to have children.....NO!.........it is forbidden to have children at bethel .......................Did he get married to have one person to be with, forever ............No!............ He was going to Heaven..........she wasn't. So why did he get married?...............it sure looks like good old....... S.E.X.......to me. Hay, even Germans like sex too.
So he and his buddies were able to enjoy that privilege .............I say privilege, because not everyone was permited to have it ...............Remember the rule HE made up? To stay at Bethel and get married, you needed a tolal of 14 years of full time service...........So you were forbidden to get married for any reason for 4 years, NO matter what, add another 10 years if you wanted to stay..........I didn't say FORBIDDEN did I?........Oppppppppsss I guess I did............But the BIBLE says that only those that have "fallen away from the faith, would be FORBIDDING others to marry!" 1 Timothy 4:1-3..............so that can't be right.......Opppppppppss...I forgot the old double standard rule kicks in again, at this time!.........Catch 22
They would say....... but you signed an agreement!.............Hay! your 19 years old you and you should have known what you were signing,...... right............and some would say..........Well you could always leave before your time.................Yes, If you didn't mind the reproach and the shame...........and the punishment..........you were not permited to pioneer for 6 months, if you left early....Catch 22.
So just why am I so upset about all of this...........For one reason it caused plenty of hardship and heart ache.........plus all the unhappy marriages........and all the unnecessary trips some poor souls had to make to the hookers on 8th ave...................and even DEATH to some ...as I will tell you about in my last chapter..........Come on guys....... Wouldn't you think,........ a LOVING organazition would have peoples best interest at heart?...................as in "OH......Brother we are sorry to hear you are having a hard time here at Bethel..........and so you would like to leave?......GO, my friend and be in peace...........and may God be with you, and thank you for the time, you were able to spend here with us and of course,.......... you can pioneer if you like"........Sounds like something Jeaus would say.
Opppppssss ...........Did I say loving organazition............Let me think.........Yes!.... I think it says somewhere in the Bible......."By their LOVE you would be able to recognize them"......boy isn't that a"truth"?.............but its not "The Truth"..
All the double standards......unwritten laws.......and bull shit.....it was just to much for most of us. I say most of us because, there are some there that LOVE that kind of bull shit and fit right it. .....................In "Catch 22" Yossairan said..."Let the Bastards thrive!!!"
So most of us, we just wanted to find a little love............and leave after out "tour of duty" was up. As the "brother" said.........."just keep your month shut and do your job".........then get the hell out!
So back to girl friends and Bethelites...............As I mention, there was only one guy I knew, who had a girl friend before he went to Bethel and "made his time" there, that was Roy Baty. Part of the reason for that, was she was only 15 years old when he went there, in 1970............So she was waiting for him and he was waiting for her.
That was tough for guys like Roy with girl friends back home, because........you only got 2 weeks vacation a year, (you got no vacation your first year)............so you got 6 weeks in 4 years..........many guys like myself, only got 4 weeks in 4 years, the reason being.............Instead of taking our last two weeks vacation....we would just shorten our 4 year stay. So I came on March 21, 1970............now, I could leave on March 7, 1974........The thought being, that any day NOT at Bethel........... WAS a vacation!
So that leaves us with our next group...........Guys that got girl friends while they were at bethel. With so many Bethelites in the New York City area.........By the time you got there, anything decent was already "snapped up".........with many halls having 10-20 bethelites in them, the competition tough! With 60-70% of the halls being Black and Lantino.........and 80% of the bethelites were white, the sayng was "the longer your there.... the whiter they look" So it was a 14 year old white girl, or a good looking black sister....If you had a car the selection got a little better with up state New York, Jersey or even New England.............But for the vast majority it was just good old N.Y.C.
We saw it all too, every possible combination...... The 19 year old white guy from Iowa, getting married to the 36 year old, 250 lb. black sister with 2 teenagers 13 & 16, his step daugther was just 3 years younger then him! There were guys who got "caught in closets" with bethel house keepers........Which was unusual because most of the sisters that were called to bethel, were beat with an ugly stick. We joked about it and said that Knorr, once a month, would get all the applications of sisters, who wanted to come at bethel ( sorry, I meant come to bethel) He would get all the bethelites in the upper dinning room and have a slide show. He would show a slide of some pioneer "FOX" from California and ask? How many of you guys want this sister to come to Bethel? The place would go crazy with noise..........he would throw the application away..................Next slide was of some "Dog".....how many want this sister?..........................You could here a pin drop ......He would say.....call her in now..............I tell you that man was a genius.....he knew, what we were all about.
There was a guy in the service dept. who ran off with DO wife..........There were married sisters who left there husbands for some single guys..............You know all the stuff you would see in any Kindom Hall.
Bethel tours were nice..............But most of time they were very sad.........You would see these great looking sisters go through on tour...............They would give you "the eye"...........You would give them "the eye"..........Then they would get on the bus and leave............No way to meet them.......Sometimes you would see them later that day in the Bethel home, hanging around with some "Nerd" from there home town........They might have asking the nerd "Don't you know any other Bethelites?'................Sure but they were Nerds too............
Sometimes it worked out great.............I saw the love of my life.......................The lady I would marry, 2 weeks after I left Bethel, standing in front of the "ink room" in the summer of 1972 on a bethel tour!
2017.06.18 07:44 Poppybrook Haven't spoken with my MIL in months
TLDR; I yelled at my mother in law the day before the wedding for complaining for the nine millionth time about the guest list. Two months later she tells me I ruined her life. For various reasons including the recent suicide of a good friend, I ask her if she was thinking about killing herself and she responds that i made her want to die. She has since gotten help and is feeling better. I'm not feeling better. I have no idea how to interact with her.
First post so I'm really super sorry if this doesn't belong here. A friend recommended this sub. Sorry for typos- It's past my bed time.
How do I even begin?
I'm not sure if there is an overarching question, or what direction I want to go, and maybe this is entirely the wrong sub, but if your drama lamas are hungry, boy have I got a snack for them. (Edit: a feast.) I am still so winded and confused from this MIL encounter that I am still reeling half a year later. Really it's bigger than my MIL, but she played the part that is stuck on a loop in my brain.
Last fall I married my OH. It was, despite many things, the happiest day of my life. We dated for years before deciding to get married, and I had a very close relationship with my FMIL. Coffee dates, shopping, etc. We had disagreed on things, fought and cried, hugged it out many times in the near decade Hubd and I dated.
Four things changed that.
1) A few months before the wedding, the best man- practically my OH's brother that he never had- and a good friend of mine took his own life. He lived in our city away from his family, so we were his local family. That's why we were the ones that went looking for him- MIL, OH, and myself.
That is why the three of us were the ones that called the police and filed the missing persons report. We were the three people that watched them break down the door and were the first to know. Cue the beginning of Bizarro World. No one's brain works right after something like that. That's an easy thing to forget when your hyperfocused on one person's greif. When the dust settled my world revolved around supporting my OH. I was blind to anyone else's problens. It may seem like I'm blaming my MIL problems on this incident and it sounds unrelated, but hang tight, I'll circle back.
2) There was a limited budget for the wedding. My OH and I had only just gotten our careers off the ground. We had just finished college and he was moving out from his parents place for the first time. That meant lots of expenses and not much money. It also means in light of the recent loss, letting their baby bird leave the nest was harder on my in laws. We were saving for our wedding on our own. At the same time we were starting our real adult lives. It's a lot of change at once, but we had a realistic mindset about the challenges.
Neither set of parents had the money to help pay for a wedding and we really wanted one. We decided to save and do what we could afford- which was a small but nice wedding. The entire time we were engaged there was an on-going battle with the non-financially-contributing-to-the-wedding-in-laws about how not enough of their friends were invited. More of their friends were on the guest list than my friends, but it was never enough. It was crazy-making. We fought about it. Hindsight - I should have made my OH handle his parents request and stayed out of it, but I though after so many years I could talk it out with them and be respected. after about the 5th blowout with my MIL, it was an absolute trigger for me.
3) Two days before the wedding, I took off work to go get my nails done. It was a weekday and all my girls were busy. I was by myself and a little sad, doing wedding prep alone and thinking about my OH having to do all of his wedding prep without his best man. It had been a few months at that point. We had talked about moving the wedding, but decided against.
So there i am, brooding and getting my nails done.... prepare for an "I thought this only happened in the movies" moment. From the other side of the salon with her back to me and mine to her, my MILs voice drifted across the counter that had blocked me from view when she walked in. She was getting her nails done for the wedding, too, and she was chatting about the wedding with her nail tech. Between lulls in pop songs I could hear her heavy sighs and a few stray negative words, but I was not in a position to go say hi.
Then my neck hairs stood on end when a song cut off in time for me to hear loud and clear, "well there are going to be a lot of people I wish could go, but it just wasn't important to them, so I guess I'll just have to live with the dissappointment." Really not the worst thing in the history of MIL things, but it filled me with a white hot rage.
I yanked my hand away from my tech, stood up, and marched over to her chair and said "Hi!" With the sweetest smile I could muster... which I'm sure made me look like a psychopath with the venom burning in my veins.
Here I was 2 days before my wedding, trying to get out of my bummed funk and be excited, and she's in the SAME salon that she knows I go to talking shit about my wedding! She looks guilty like she knows she's been busted, but we both pretend I didn't hear anything. (Me because this was not the time or place and because I was not in a state to be communicating in a positive way) It probably would have been better if I had cried and yelled at her there....
But I didn't. I finished getting my fingernails done and got our of there fast.
Day before the wedding I just couldn't focus on anything else. I barely slept the night I got back from the salon. I was so hurt and angry! After all the years after how close we were, that was the only thing about the wedding she could think or talk about! Never did she say anything about how she was excited or happy we were getting married to me. Oh she would plaster on a gin to and introduce me to everyone she knew so she could bask in the glow of an approaching wedding, but it felt like it was for the attention. Anyway, I digress....
I didn't handle this right. That's why it's on here. I messed up. I was so angry the day before the wesding. I was so done with her bitching about it and the thought of having to listen to her opinions that she had already expressed a million times yet again just ate at me. So I texted her. I know. I know. I just could not be favmce to face with her.
I was so spitting mad and I thought I had to tell her to behave or my wedding would be ruined. But I really really tried to be nice and do it right even though it was in text. I started out saying that loved her, but that my feelings were hurt because I had overheard her at the salon the day before.
And then she denied it. She denied everything she said, tried to explain it aeay, told me I heard it wrong, I misunderstood, and that I was blowing it out of proportion, and apologized for me misunderstanding it.
So I said that I was sorry that I wasn't capable of saying and sayng things in a way that left them so open to interpretation. That no matter how perfect she thinks she is and no matter the intentions behind her words (which she insisted were positive) she can be a shitty hurtful person. I told her that I loved her at the same time (not that that softens it but there were a lot of feelings, ok?) that I told her that I did not have the energy to deal with her crap and I had enough going on so I needed her to show up tomorrow to the wedding and smile and be nice even if she is miserable because she didn't get everything she wanted.
It was mean and self righteous. And I had no idea how much it had hurt her, because she stopped replying, called my OH and cried and sent him the conversation, and tried to use him as her flying monkey against me. All I could see was red. So the next day, the day of the wedding I woke up and decided that I was going to be happy. We were getting married at last. My dress was perfect. The weather was perfect. And all the wedding arguments and everything were over because it was too late to change anything.
4) The wedding was beautiful. And happy. And I was just living in a lovey dovey bubble. Lots of things went wrong and I was still in this heady intoxicated state of euphoria. My MIL was the absolute last thing on my mind. But I was all that was on hers. Me and the hurtful things I said they day before in a stressed out wedding rage directed straight at her. She was thinking about how I did not make a point to come and tell her how pretty she looked. How in the rush of family pictures with the photographer I did not specifically request a picture of just me and her. How I didn't dance with her or do the photo booth with her at the reception.
I know all of this because she told me later. Two months later. OH and I went on our honeymoon and I was worried about how things were left with his mom, but we talked about it and agreed I should put it out of my mind and not stress. We had a blast. When we got back, we swung by her house to pick up a few things, and she asked me if I had like the centerpieces her friend had done. Then when I said yes and gushed over them, she said "oh good, you didn't say anything to me about then at the wedding I was worried you didn't see them" Unbeknownst to her, my makeup artist had been a half hour late so I had checked on everything and seen the centerpieces before the ceremony and gave the artist herself abundant applause. This comment made me suddenly less apologetic feeling so I decided to just let everything go, and not bring it up again. Wedding = dead horse. I could handle one more obnoxious comment now that it was over.
So things resemed a new normal. A new normal where we the new married couple had dinner with them once a week or every other week.she acted totally weird when I was around like a beaten dog averting her eyes and shoulder hunchinv, and I felt bad. I would ask her if she was ok, if we were ok, and she would complain about being tired from work. I was trying to be a happy newlywed so I put it out of my mind and tried to be a little extra friendly in the name of peace moving forward. We probably should have talked about if, but she didn't seem to want to and I wanted to move on and everyone be happy so I wasn't going to force her.
Thing number 4.
A couple of months after the wedding she had lunch with my OH. She bawled her eyes out and told him that she was afraid of me. That she was afraid to be around me because I was so overly sensitive and explosive, and she was utterly convinced that I absolutely hated her guts. He talked her down and convinced her that she just needed to talk to me.
Yeah that didn't go well. He came home and told me I had to go talk to his mom, because she was the most upset he's ever seen her because of what I said the day before the wedding and because in her words I made her "feel unwelcome at her own only child's wedding". I feel like an absolute villain for what I said when I got angry. But hearing all of tjis, all of her feelings, from my new husband as her mouthpiece because she was "physically nauseous at the thought of confronting me". I thought it was the biggest load of crap.
So I was angry some more, but I agreed to sit down with her. I didn't say anything until she had said everything she had to say. All of it. And it was a lot. It took 2 hours. Her listing everything I did or didn't do that hurt her feelings and how depressed she had been. How I made her feel so bad she woke up screaming at night. She hasn't also we'll since the wedding. She hasn't eaten much since the wedding. She had been sick and tired and anxious and sad and an absolute wreck for minths, and she kept saying it was all my fault and "we'll that's what you left me with" over and over and over. She pulled up the texts she had saved and read them aloud multiple times, chosung three angry things in the middle.
I agreed that I said those thing and they were mean and I was sorru. I had been angry and I didn't mean then, and I shouldn't have said them, and she kept going. She kept beating me over the head with this one conversation from months ago and no matter what I said she just cried more and more. Worst, my husband was in the room at her request, sitting in the corner with headphones and loud music at his compur Dr, because she had told him she was afraid to be alone with me. I have never hit anyone in my life. I was so frustrated that she us turned me into this huge villain in her mind and she was trying to convince my new husband that I was dangerous!
Finally I told her again that I was sorry for disappointing her, that I wasn't intentionally excluding her I was just trying to have a happy wedding and focus on her son and our vow, and that I don't appreciate her treating me like some kind of terrorist and using her son as a human shield. She cried some more, we hugged it out. I was still furious but I wanted to fix the relationship. As we talked and hugged she started to unclemch and talked about how each of the things she was angry at me about had reminded her of something else from her past.
That night after she left- the more I thought about it the less rational her behavior seemed. The more I thought about it the more I started to recognize the behaviors and experiences she described. I had seen depression on several close people in my life, and it started to dawn on me that my anger and frustration might have been blinding me to her experiencing some very real pain.... even if pinning all of it on me wasn't really fair. I had become het boogey man, and in her mind I was a very real danger.
And then it hit me. Like a punch in the gut.
I barely slept, wrestling with it. The next day I called her. She was at work. There was something I had to ask.
I told her again that I loved her, and I was sorry about the last few months. That I had a bad guy feeling and I needed to ask het something because I loved her. Finally I just needed to know and it came out. I asked her if she was thinking about killing herself.
And her answer, "you really hurt me. Yes. For the last few months, I have wanted to die."
I have never been so scared in my entire life. Ok, I have. Once. Holding my fiance's hand next to an apartment building watching the fire department break down a door.
I kept her on the phone and texted my mom. I leptvaslimg the questions you are supposed to ask, and the more scared I sounded, the more my MIL backpeddaled. No, she didn't have a plan. No, she did not want to hurt herself she felt much better now. No, I don't think you understood what I meant.
Her objections didn't matter. She was at work so I knew she was safe around other people. I made her PROMISE to get help, and then she said she had to go.
I called my husband. We called her husband. We told my FIL about the conversation the day before and about the one I had just had. Nothing wad more real to me than the obvious fact that he needed to leave home,derive straight to worl, and take her to a hospital. I have family that has been committed for self harm. And just 5 month before a close friend killed himself. I will never apologize for taking her response absolutely seriously. Better safe than sorry. I am not a medical professional. If the answer to that question isn't no, I am not qualified to decide what grey shade of ok she was.
When we told my DIL, his immediate response was "we'll you really hurt her feelings. She's been very upset. If She does anything like that it's your fault."
I would not make that up. It was the most shattering thing anyone has ever said to me. I was incoherent for hours until I was finally able to pick myself up and tape myself together to comfort my husband.
FIL did not take her to the hospital. He called her and she convinced him that i was lying and misunderstood and blew it out of proportion. She began a campaign calling people to warn them that I was greif stricken from our friends death and had taken something she said out of context. The next day she did go see a friend that is a doctor that hooked her up with a social worker that talked through everything with her, and she got on some meds. She was instantly magically all better.
And I was a wreck.
I couldn't talk to them. I build an immediate wall. I asked daily about my OH's mom to check that she was doing better and to give him a chance to talk to someone about it, but I was still so upset. My MIL told me I made her want to due and my FIL said that it was my fault. I've always thought I was a decent person. I was bullied badly as a lud, I thought I had self control and compassion, and I had in a few short words destroyed a person. I couldn't talk to them because I thought if I heard those things again I would break. And that I was dangerous. If I wad around them they would break.
After about a month of radio silence, we had a family Christmas with the grand parents in law. The night before I took my bestie out for a bachelorette party and I, who have never had more than a glass of wine at a time, go used a margarita and a whole bottle of champagne. I thought it was i the name of fun but if I'm honest it ws the kind of night when I shouldn't have had anything to drink at all. I got so sick. On the bright side, I was so hungover at Christmas that they let me literally hide under a blanket and sleep until it was over. They just laughed about it and shared drinking stories. Like nothing had happened. Like the last time we spoke no one was threatening suicide.
This all happened about half a year ago now, and I'm still avoiding them. I have seen them twice. A mandatory family gathering, and once after my MIL was in am accident with minor non life threatening injuries that everyone made sound like the end. She gave me a big hug before I left and said "whenever you're ready to talk...."
I'm not ready. I don't know how to be ready. I can't talk to them about this. There's to much anger and greif and regret. I feel simultaneously like the worst supervillain I'm the world. The incredible hulk daughter in law, who loses her temper and destroys lives. But I also feel... scared. Scared to interact with them. Like I will break my husband's parents. Or if I talk to them they will break me. I still thing about our friend that died every day. The rational part of me understands that I can't possibly give someone a mental illness, but I can certainly be a contributor. I have so much guilt. Our friend must have been in so much pain for so long, and we didn't see it.
How do I look myself in the mirror?
My husband tells me that his parents miss me and they ask about me, and he's running out of excuses why I never visit or call. He wants me to have a relationship with them, but I have built a very thick wall between me and them. I don't even know how to start. And I don't want to. Just... no.
I do not want a relationship with someone who can look me dead in the face and tell me that I have nearly killed someone with a text message. I can't do it. I've reread it a thousand tines- that conversation- and it's not nice but no matter how many times I read it it doesn't sound bad enough to have caused all of this. It is contradictory to reason And my view of myself. And believing what my husband says- that they love and miss me- is like trying to climb over this huge insurmountable mountain of hurt. I'm sure they are both fine and rational and they do care, but I just can't convince myself that it's true. Now I've painted them in a box in my head, just like they did to me, and I don't know to fix any of it. I know avoiding them isn't making anything better, but I don't have the energy to try.
Maybe I am heartless and have no compassion. Maybe I'm a narcissist blind to her own faults. I've always thought that I'm fair. I try to take ownership of my mistake and account for them. I haven't been perfect in all this. But I didn't mean any of this. I didn't want any of this. I just wanted a happy wedding. There was already so much sadness around it. I couldn't handle everyone's greif including my own AND being a constant dissapointment.
Oh my goodness, bless you if you read that whole thing. It's fathers day tomorrow, and again, just like mother's day the in laws are asking why I won't be at lunch. Well, for one I have plans with MY father. And for two.... I just can't.
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First post so I'm really super sorry if this doesn't belong here. A friend recommended this sub. Sorry for typos- It's past my bed time.
How do I even begin?
I'm not sure if there is an overarching question, or what direction I want to go, and maybe this is entirely the wrong sub, but if your drama lamas are hungry, boy have I got a snack for them. (Edit: a feast.) I am still so winded and confused from this MIL encounter that I am still reeling half a year later. Really it's bigger than my MIL, but she played the part that is stuck on a loop in my brain.
Last fall I married my OH. It was, despite many things, the happiest day of my life. We dated for years before deciding to get married, and I had a very close relationship with my FMIL. Coffee dates, shopping, etc. We had disagreed on things, fought and cried, hugged it out many times in the near decade Hubd and I dated.
Four things changed that.
1) A few months before the wedding, the best man- practically my OH's brother that he never had- and a good friend of mine took his own life. He lived in our city away from his family, so we were his local family. That's why we were the ones that went looking for him- MIL, OH, and myself.
That is why the three of us were the ones that called the police and filed the missing persons report. We were the three people that watched them break down the door and were the first to know. Cue the beginning of Bizarro World. No one's brain works right after something like that. That's an easy thing to forget when your hyperfocused on one person's greif. When the dust settled my world revolved around supporting my OH. I was blind to anyone else's problens. It may seem like I'm blaming my MIL problems on this incident and it sounds unrelated, but hang tight, I'll circle back.
2) There was a limited budget for the wedding. My OH and I had only just gotten our careers off the ground. We had just finished college and he was moving out from his parents place for the first time. That meant lots of expenses and not much money. It also means in light of the recent loss, letting their baby bird leave the nest was harder on my in laws. We were saving for our wedding on our own. At the same time we were starting our real adult lives. It's a lot of change at once, but we had a realistic mindset about the challenges.
Neither set of parents had the money to help pay for a wedding and we really wanted one. We decided to save and do what we could afford- which was a small but nice wedding. The entire time we were engaged there was an on-going battle with the non-financially-contributing-to-the-wedding-in-laws about how not enough of their friends were invited. More of their friends were on the guest list than my friends, but it was never enough. It was crazy-making. We fought about it. Hindsight - I should have made my OH handle his parents request and stayed out of it, but I though after so many years I could talk it out with them and be respected. after about the 5th blowout with my MIL, it was an absolute trigger for me.
3) Two days before the wedding, I took off work to go get my nails done. It was a weekday and all my girls were busy. I was by myself and a little sad, doing wedding prep alone and thinking about my OH having to do all of his wedding prep without his best man. It had been a few months at that point. We had talked about moving the wedding, but decided against.
So there i am, brooding and getting my nails done.... prepare for an "I thought this only happened in the movies" moment. From the other side of the salon with her back to me and mine to her, my MILs voice drifted across the counter that had blocked me from view when she walked in. She was getting her nails done for the wedding, too, and she was chatting about the wedding with her nail tech. Between lulls in pop songs I could hear her heavy sighs and a few stray negative words, but I was not in a position to go say hi.
Then my neck hairs stood on end when a song cut off in time for me to hear loud and clear, "well there are going to be a lot of people I wish could go, but it just wasn't important to them, so I guess I'll just have to live with the dissappointment." Really not the worst thing in the history of MIL things, but it filled me with a white hot rage.
I yanked my hand away from my tech, stood up, and marched over to her chair and said "Hi!" With the sweetest smile I could muster... which I'm sure made me look like a psychopath with the venom burning in my veins.
Here I was 2 days before my wedding, trying to get out of my bummed funk and be excited, and she's in the SAME salon that she knows I go to talking shit about my wedding! She looks guilty like she knows she's been busted, but we both pretend I didn't hear anything. (Me because this was not the time or place and because I was not in a state to be communicating in a positive way) It probably would have been better if I had cried and yelled at her there....
But I didn't. I finished getting my fingernails done and got our of there fast.
Day before the wedding I just couldn't focus on anything else. I barely slept the night I got back from the salon. I was so hurt and angry! After all the years after how close we were, that was the only thing about the wedding she could think or talk about! Never did she say anything about how she was excited or happy we were getting married to me. Oh she would plaster on a gin to and introduce me to everyone she knew so she could bask in the glow of an approaching wedding, but it felt like it was for the attention. Anyway, I digress....
I didn't handle this right. That's why it's on here. I messed up. I was so angry the day before the wesding. I was so done with her bitching about it and the thought of having to listen to her opinions that she had already expressed a million times yet again just ate at me. So I texted her. I know. I know. I just could not be favmce to face with her.
I was so spitting mad and I thought I had to tell her to behave or my wedding would be ruined. But I really really tried to be nice and do it right even though it was in text. I started out saying that loved her, but that my feelings were hurt because I had overheard her at the salon the day before.
And then she denied it. She denied everything she said, tried to explain it aeay, told me I heard it wrong, I misunderstood, and that I was blowing it out of proportion, and apologized for me misunderstanding it.
So I said that I was sorry that I wasn't capable of saying and sayng things in a way that left them so open to interpretation. That no matter how perfect she thinks she is and no matter the intentions behind her words (which she insisted were positive) she can be a shitty hurtful person. I told her that I loved her at the same time (not that that softens it but there were a lot of feelings, ok?) that I told her that I did not have the energy to deal with her crap and I had enough going on so I needed her to show up tomorrow to the wedding and smile and be nice even if she is miserable because she didn't get everything she wanted.
It was mean and self righteous. And I had no idea how much it had hurt her, because she stopped replying, called my OH and cried and sent him the conversation, and tried to use him as her flying monkey against me. All I could see was red. So the next day, the day of the wedding I woke up and decided that I was going to be happy. We were getting married at last. My dress was perfect. The weather was perfect. And all the wedding arguments and everything were over because it was too late to change anything.
4) The wedding was beautiful. And happy. And I was just living in a lovey dovey bubble. Lots of things went wrong and I was still in this heady intoxicated state of euphoria. My MIL was the absolute last thing on my mind. But I was all that was on hers. Me and the hurtful things I said they day before in a stressed out wedding rage directed straight at her. She was thinking about how I did not make a point to come and tell her how pretty she looked. How in the rush of family pictures with the photographer I did not specifically request a picture of just me and her. How I didn't dance with her or do the photo booth with her at the reception.
I know all of this because she told me later. Two months later. OH and I went on our honeymoon and I was worried about how things were left with his mom, but we talked about it and agreed I should put it out of my mind and not stress. We had a blast. When we got back, we swung by her house to pick up a few things, and she asked me if I had like the centerpieces her friend had done. Then when I said yes and gushed over them, she said "oh good, you didn't say anything to me about then at the wedding I was worried you didn't see them" Unbeknownst to her, my makeup artist had been a half hour late so I had checked on everything and seen the centerpieces before the ceremony and gave the artist herself abundant applause. This comment made me suddenly less apologetic feeling so I decided to just let everything go, and not bring it up again. Wedding = dead horse. I could handle one more obnoxious comment now that it was over.
So things resemed a new normal. A new normal where we the new married couple had dinner with them once a week or every other week.she acted totally weird when I was around like a beaten dog averting her eyes and shoulder hunchinv, and I felt bad. I would ask her if she was ok, if we were ok, and she would complain about being tired from work. I was trying to be a happy newlywed so I put it out of my mind and tried to be a little extra friendly in the name of peace moving forward. We probably should have talked about if, but she didn't seem to want to and I wanted to move on and everyone be happy so I wasn't going to force her.
Thing number 4.
A couple of months after the wedding she had lunch with my OH. She bawled her eyes out and told him that she was afraid of me. That she was afraid to be around me because I was so overly sensitive and explosive, and she was utterly convinced that I absolutely hated her guts. He talked her down and convinced her that she just needed to talk to me.
Yeah that didn't go well. He came home and told me I had to go talk to his mom, because she was the most upset he's ever seen her because of what I said the day before the wedding and because in her words I made her "feel unwelcome at her own only child's wedding". I feel like an absolute villain for what I said when I got angry. But hearing all of tjis, all of her feelings, from my new husband as her mouthpiece because she was "physically nauseous at the thought of confronting me". I thought it was the biggest load of crap.
So I was angry some more, but I agreed to sit down with her. I didn't say anything until she had said everything she had to say. All of it. And it was a lot. It took 2 hours. Her listing everything I did or didn't do that hurt her feelings and how depressed she had been. How I made her feel so bad she woke up screaming at night. She hasn't also we'll since the wedding. She hasn't eaten much since the wedding. She had been sick and tired and anxious and sad and an absolute wreck for minths, and she kept saying it was all my fault and "we'll that's what you left me with" over and over and over. She pulled up the texts she had saved and read them aloud multiple times, chosung three angry things in the middle.
I agreed that I said those thing and they were mean and I was sorru. I had been angry and I didn't mean then, and I shouldn't have said them, and she kept going. She kept beating me over the head with this one conversation from months ago and no matter what I said she just cried more and more. Worst, my husband was in the room at her request, sitting in the corner with headphones and loud music at his compur Dr, because she had told him she was afraid to be alone with me. I have never hit anyone in my life. I was so frustrated that she us turned me into this huge villain in her mind and she was trying to convince my new husband that I was dangerous!
Finally I told her again that I was sorry for disappointing her, that I wasn't intentionally excluding her I was just trying to have a happy wedding and focus on her son and our vow, and that I don't appreciate her treating me like some kind of terrorist and using her son as a human shield. She cried some more, we hugged it out. I was still furious but I wanted to fix the relationship. As we talked and hugged she started to unclemch and talked about how each of the things she was angry at me about had reminded her of something else from her past.
That night after she left- the more I thought about it the less rational her behavior seemed. The more I thought about it the more I started to recognize the behaviors and experiences she described. I had seen depression on several close people in my life, and it started to dawn on me that my anger and frustration might have been blinding me to her experiencing some very real pain.... even if pinning all of it on me wasn't really fair. I had become het boogey man, and in her mind I was a very real danger.
And then it hit me. Like a punch in the gut.
I barely slept, wrestling with it. The next day I called her. She was at work. There was something I had to ask.
I told her again that I loved her, and I was sorry about the last few months. That I had a bad guy feeling and I needed to ask het something because I loved her. Finally I just needed to know and it came out. I asked her if she was thinking about killing herself.
And her answer, "you really hurt me. Yes. For the last few months, I have wanted to die."
I have never been so scared in my entire life. Ok, I have. Once. Holding my fiance's hand next to an apartment building watching the fire department break down a door.
I kept her on the phone and texted my mom. I leptvaslimg the questions you are supposed to ask, and the more scared I sounded, the more my MIL backpeddaled. No, she didn't have a plan. No, she did not want to hurt herself she felt much better now. No, I don't think you understood what I meant.
Her objections didn't matter. She was at work so I knew she was safe around other people. I made her PROMISE to get help, and then she said she had to go.
I called my husband. We called her husband. We told my FIL about the conversation the day before and about the one I had just had. Nothing wad more real to me than the obvious fact that he needed to leave home,derive straight to worl, and take her to a hospital. I have family that has been committed for self harm. And just 5 month before a close friend killed himself. I will never apologize for taking her response absolutely seriously. Better safe than sorry. I am not a medical professional. If the answer to that question isn't no, I am not qualified to decide what grey shade of ok she was.
When we told my DIL, his immediate response was "we'll you really hurt her feelings. She's been very upset. If She does anything like that it's your fault."
I would not make that up. It was the most shattering thing anyone has ever said to me. I was incoherent for hours until I was finally able to pick myself up and tape myself together to comfort my husband.
FIL did not take her to the hospital. He called her and she convinced him that i was lying and misunderstood and blew it out of proportion. She began a campaign calling people to warn them that I was greif stricken from our friends death and had taken something she said out of context. The next day she did go see a friend that is a doctor that hooked her up with a social worker that talked through everything with her, and she got on some meds. She was instantly magically all better.
And I was a wreck.
I couldn't talk to them. I build an immediate wall. I asked daily about my OH's mom to check that she was doing better and to give him a chance to talk to someone about it, but I was still so upset. My MIL told me I made her want to due and my FIL said that it was my fault. I've always thought I was a decent person. I was bullied badly as a lud, I thought I had self control and compassion, and I had in a few short words destroyed a person. I couldn't talk to them because I thought if I heard those things again I would break. And that I was dangerous. If I wad around them they would break.
After about a month of radio silence, we had a family Christmas with the grand parents in law. The night before I took my bestie out for a bachelorette party and I, who have never had more than a glass of wine at a time, go used a margarita and a whole bottle of champagne. I thought it was i the name of fun but if I'm honest it ws the kind of night when I shouldn't have had anything to drink at all. I got so sick. On the bright side, I was so hungover at Christmas that they let me literally hide under a blanket and sleep until it was over. They just laughed about it and shared drinking stories. Like nothing had happened. Like the last time we spoke no one was threatening suicide.
This all happened about half a year ago now, and I'm still avoiding them. I have seen them twice. A mandatory family gathering, and once after my MIL was in am accident with minor non life threatening injuries that everyone made sound like the end. She gave me a big hug before I left and said "whenever you're ready to talk...."
I'm not ready. I don't know how to be ready. I can't talk to them about this. There's to much anger and greif and regret. I feel simultaneously like the worst supervillain I'm the world. The incredible hulk daughter in law, who loses her temper and destroys lives. But I also feel... scared. Scared to interact with them. Like I will break my husband's parents. Or if I talk to them they will break me. I still thing about our friend that died every day. The rational part of me understands that I can't possibly give someone a mental illness, but I can certainly be a contributor. I have so much guilt. Our friend must have been in so much pain for so long, and we didn't see it.
How do I look myself in the mirror?
My husband tells me that his parents miss me and they ask about me, and he's running out of excuses why I never visit or call. He wants me to have a relationship with them, but I have built a very thick wall between me and them. I don't even know how to start. And I don't want to. Just... no.
I do not want a relationship with someone who can look me dead in the face and tell me that I have nearly killed someone with a text message. I can't do it. I've reread it a thousand tines- that conversation- and it's not nice but no matter how many times I read it it doesn't sound bad enough to have caused all of this. It is contradictory to reason And my view of myself. And believing what my husband says- that they love and miss me- is like trying to climb over this huge insurmountable mountain of hurt. I'm sure they are both fine and rational and they do care, but I just can't convince myself that it's true. Now I've painted them in a box in my head, just like they did to me, and I don't know to fix any of it. I know avoiding them isn't making anything better, but I don't have the energy to try.
Maybe I am heartless and have no compassion. Maybe I'm a narcissist blind to her own faults. I've always thought that I'm fair. I try to take ownership of my mistake and account for them. I haven't been perfect in all this. But I didn't mean any of this. I didn't want any of this. I just wanted a happy wedding. There was already so much sadness around it. I couldn't handle everyone's greif including my own AND being a constant dissapointment.
Oh my goodness, bless you if you read that whole thing. It's fathers day tomorrow, and again, just like mother's day the in laws are asking why I won't be at lunch. Well, for one I have plans with MY father. And for two.... I just can't.
2016.08.09 08:01 Throwpawayp Narcissist Mother and Suicide...
So this isnt about me not having friends or anything... its family issues
I have been forced by my mom to play the piano for almost a year now ( I always hated it ) from the start I told my mom that I hated it and wanted to stop but she told me "you can after a year" now its almost a year and tonight i went remind her that she said she'd let me stop but what happened?
She just started yelling and got pissed af sayng things like "I PAID SO MUCH FOR YOUR FEES AND NOW YOU WANT TO STOP" "WHY DID YOU TAKE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE". And the moment i try to talk back she gets even more mad and forces me to play it on the spot whilst shouting "play it like you want to play it"
Eventually she tells me to continue playing for an hour and see her in her room after im done
(You should know that I have good grades straight As except for math and i am physically fit but i still prefer playing video games as my hobby above all else)
Later I visit her and she says "I know you dont like piano so Its ok you can quit piano, video games and the internet all together" now im just silent here too afraid to talk
She then says in a soft tone "i work so hard to give you everything so I want you to at least play piano cause all the smart people play piano and its a life long skill"
But I knew that was PURE bullshit she only shouts and forces me to practice for long hours only the day before my instructor or other guests arrive at the house. She always makes me play just to show off not to mention she always brags about her things and my grades to others... she is a narcissist.
At first I didn't want to believe that she just wanted to use me as a tool but her next words really killed me (You should also know that I have an elder brother who failed his university courses 3 times and a sister who passed her course with flying colors but always gets into arguments with my mom when she tried to force her into piano etc too)
She said "please I can't take it anymore If all my kids are useless please dont be useless like the others"
After that I realized she thinks of us as tools and im seriously Pissed off I'm seriously thinking of running away or suicide She is threatening to send me to a foster home and I really want to accept that but I know if i say that she will just punish me more
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I have been forced by my mom to play the piano for almost a year now ( I always hated it ) from the start I told my mom that I hated it and wanted to stop but she told me "you can after a year" now its almost a year and tonight i went remind her that she said she'd let me stop but what happened?
She just started yelling and got pissed af sayng things like "I PAID SO MUCH FOR YOUR FEES AND NOW YOU WANT TO STOP" "WHY DID YOU TAKE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE". And the moment i try to talk back she gets even more mad and forces me to play it on the spot whilst shouting "play it like you want to play it"
Eventually she tells me to continue playing for an hour and see her in her room after im done
(You should know that I have good grades straight As except for math and i am physically fit but i still prefer playing video games as my hobby above all else)
Later I visit her and she says "I know you dont like piano so Its ok you can quit piano, video games and the internet all together" now im just silent here too afraid to talk
She then says in a soft tone "i work so hard to give you everything so I want you to at least play piano cause all the smart people play piano and its a life long skill"
But I knew that was PURE bullshit she only shouts and forces me to practice for long hours only the day before my instructor or other guests arrive at the house. She always makes me play just to show off not to mention she always brags about her things and my grades to others... she is a narcissist.
At first I didn't want to believe that she just wanted to use me as a tool but her next words really killed me (You should also know that I have an elder brother who failed his university courses 3 times and a sister who passed her course with flying colors but always gets into arguments with my mom when she tried to force her into piano etc too)
She said "please I can't take it anymore If all my kids are useless please dont be useless like the others"
After that I realized she thinks of us as tools and im seriously Pissed off I'm seriously thinking of running away or suicide She is threatening to send me to a foster home and I really want to accept that but I know if i say that she will just punish me more