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Today we return to the namesake of this fic, an actual lesson about animals. This one focuses on Koalas! One of Australia's most recognisable critters. I hope you enjoy.
It's hardly worth mentioning, seeing as I'm an infrequent poster at the best of times, but I'll not have another chapter out for a few weeks due to limited free time and devoting most of my writing time to an upcoming ficnapping. Be sure to look out for that!
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Memory transcription subject: Rysel, Venlil Environmental Researcher
Date [Standardised human time]: 8th September 2136
“Koalas!”
Bernard’s energised voice boomed through the air as the classroom's monitor flickered into life, images of this paws lecture topic popping up one after the other until the entire screen was filled with a collage of furry quadrupeds.
Squee! I’ll never get tired of this, it’s all so cool!
As usual the sight of something new stirred immediate discussion, hushed murmurs swelling into vibrant discourse in little more than a heartbeat. Most of the class swiftly huddled together into small herds to bounce ideas around while the rest opted to stick to the solace of their own thoughts as they took in the display.
I’d be quite happy in either situation, though seeing as Sandi had already sunk into deep concentration and Kailo had peeled off to talk with Ennerif and Solenk, it seemed the decision had been made for me on this occasion. Wasting no more time on idle inspection of the people around me, I focused my full attention forward, eager to form first impressions before the lesson began in earnest.
Now then, time to make some educated guesses. What traits does this animal have? I wonder if I’ll get any right this paw?
Professional assumptions went paw-in-paw with the lectures, examining and coming up with hypotheses about the specimens was only natural. Recently however, I’d started to make a little game of it to make things even more interesting than usual. A veritable bonfire of ideas had been set ablaze within me, fueled by my newfound knowledge of Earthen wildlife. Every flash and spark of the flame was a fresh theory I could try to apply to the lectures. It was an invigorating exercise that further stoked my unceasing wonderment.
So far I’d only done this once during the previous class and, to my disappointment, I’d not done too well.
I was right when I guessed that chickens were omnivores, but wrong in my assumption that they could fly. And that red thing on their head, the um… what was it called? The comb! Yes, the comb. I thought that was to attract mates, but it regulates body heat instead. It’s fascinating. Oh! Stars damn it I’m rambling!
I bapped my tail against my leg, the soft thud being just enough to snap me back from my runaway thoughts before I went completely wall-eyed. I was becoming more and more accustomed to getting lost in my own head while remaining conscious of the fact; it was happening so frequently now that it was pretty much impossible not to. Now I was able to pull myself back to the world around me without having to rely on someone else shaking me out of it. Most of the time anyway.
Sandi still keeps an eye on me, and Kailo even decided to help out once without being too snide about it. Anyway where was I? Oh yeah, Koalas.
Glancing at the furred animals, two things immediately stood out. Firstly, their eyes were in a more central position on their face. And second, all the images showed them being on or close to trees. There were other noteworthy observations of course, such as the Koala’s prominent nose and rounded features, but they fell to the wayside as I honed in on these points first.
Hmmm… ok. I already know to discount the idea that they’re predators just from eye position, so let’s get that thought out of here. Maybe omnivorous? Herbivore? Agh no, I can’t just guess that for the sake of guessing, that’s the same problem! Hrm, it’s tough making these assumptions now that everything I thought I knew has been turned on its head.
Nevermind, I’ll focus on the other thing. All the trees make me think they’re arboreal, that seems to be a reasonable assumption. I wonder what else they-
Clearing his throat, Bernard broke my concentration, his call for attention silencing the murmuring conversation and redirecting everyone's focus to the lecturer's podium.
His gaze panned across the room as he waited for everyone to settle, a beaming smile lighting up his face, “As ever I’m delighted to see you all get so into the subject matter from the get go. I’m looking forward to hearing what you were discussing should you wish to share. For now though, how about we get started, hm?”
A chorus of merry bleats rang out from across the audience, ears and tails flicking happily in agreement. Bernard's grin grew in tandem with the class's fervour, clasping his hands together enthusiastically as he launched into the lesson, “Excellent! Then let’s get started.”
The pictures on screen dissolved away until only one remained, enlarging to cover the entire monitor with the fluffy grey face of a Koala peacefully reclining in the crook of a tree.
“Ah, there we are,” Bernard’s baritone timbre drifted through the room as he looked up at the image, his own tone reflecting the relaxed attitude of the animal on screen, “He looks so comfortable doesn’t he? Perfectly at peace with the world, not too surprising considering they sleep almost 20 hours a day. A full paw!”
A wave of beeps and gasps rippled through the herd, punctuated by a single yawn-dressed comment from Rova, “A full paw? Hwuuu… jealous.”
Her drowsy remark elicited several whistling giggles from the herd, Bernard's own jovial chortle joining them as he turned to face her, “Late evening Rova?”
I twisted a little in my seat, panning an eye in Rova’s direction just in time to see her bleary eyes bulge open and her ears shoot up, now intensely aware of the fact she hadn’t been as quiet as she thought she had.
Sitting up abruptly, she hastily tapped down errant tufts of wool that’d flared in surprise as she composed herself, though her nervousness at becoming the centre of the class's attention was still plain for all to hear, “Uh- I um… achem, a little bit yes, um- …sorry. Lokki dragged me out to a movie viewing in the rec centre. It went on pretty late.”
A melodramatic bray from the other side of the room drew everyone's ears away from Rova to the now aghast Lokki, paw splayed across his chest in faux indignation, “Dragged you? Well excuse me for trying to broaden your horizons with human movies. That’ll be the list time I- …Ahaaaa…”
Lokki’s theatrics were cut short by a heavy yawn of his own, a swell of whistling laughter rolling through the herd as vibrant bloom lit up his snout, a sight that elicited a particularly amused bleat from Rova.
Turning away from the duo I looked back at Bernard, pleased to see that he was chuckling along with us. Behaviour like Lokki’s would never have been tolerated in my school and university days but, in stark contrast, Bernard revelled in it, the liveliness of his students fueling his own bombastic style of teaching. It was a pleasant change of pace having a teacher who let us all be ourselves in class; provided we weren’t too disruptive to the lesson plan.
Speaking of which.
His laughter still rumbling through the air, Bernard clapped his hands to pull everyone's focus back to him, “Ok, ok, let’s get back to it then shall we? Rova. Lokki. Hopefully the two of you can stay awake long enough until you can grab yourselves a coffee.”
As the class settled down and the last few giggling beeps petered out, Benard pointed a hand to the screen, “So, the Koala. Let’s start simple shall we? They are herbivorous marsupials native to the eastern and southern coasts of Australia. Easily recognised the world over, they are a well known and beloved symbol of their homeland, along with other animals such as the Kangaroo and the Emu. The former of which you might remember from one of our earlier lectures.”
Indeed I did remember, along with how angry Bernard had gotten after some speh-head had derided the Yotul after he explained how he held specific disdain for such attitudes.
Uuuggghh… I never want to see him angry again. So chilling.
I shook my ears in an effort to dismiss the unpleasant memory, panning my eyes back to the monitor to try and distract myself by inspecting the Koala’s physical appearance once more. Thankfully, by some Star's blessed intervention, Bernard had the exact same idea.
“Koala’s are rather squat in stature, ranging around sixty to eighty-five centimetres in length and weighing little more than fifteen to sixteen kilograms at their full size. As you can see, the fur of this fellow before you is a lovely silvery grey, but their fur can also sport a chocolaty brown hue as well. Arguably the most distinctive part of their appearance is their head, being rather large for their body size and having rounded ears, a large nose, and a pair of small eyes. These are often brown but variations do occur.”
It didn’t slip past my notice that Bernard didn’t bother to point out that the Koala’s eyes were forward facing. I didn’t think he’d simply forgotten, so perhaps he just felt it wasn’t necessary given that he’d already stated it was herbivorous. Either way, no one stuck up a paw or tail to question him.
“Now this will hardly be surprising considering how long they sleep, but Koala’s are largely sedentary and it’s rather easy to see why when you have a look into the contents of their diet.”
With the press of a button the Koala on screen was replaced by images of vibrant green vegetation. Soaring trees and flowering shrubbery weaved together across landscape framed pictures pulled admiring trills from the herd, the diversity of the plant life being shown standing as a reminder that it wasn’t only animal life that flourished on Earth.
After giving everyone the chance to take in the picturesque scenes, Bernard casually hammered that point home, “This is eucalyptus or, more accurately, a choice selection of more than 700 plants belonging to the eucalyptus genus, though the Koala itself favours 30 of them in particular.”
700!? Stars…
Realising that my ears had drooped in my momentary awe, I twisted them back to tune into the lesson, only for them to splay out in shock at the next words to come out of Bernard's mouth.
“The leaves of these plants are the primary food source of the Koala and there are a couple things worth mentioning when talking about these plants. For starters they do not have much nutritional or caloric value, leading to the Koala’s low-energy lifestyle. Additionally, they contain toxic compounds.”
A shiver instantly ran through the herd, ears flicking rapidly in confusion and alarm followed by a few quizzical whispers. It didn’t take long for someone to decide to give a proper voice to the murmuring.
“Excuse me Doctor. Did we hear that right? Their diet is made up of toxic flora?” Vlek’s grumbling incredulity cut through the herd's mutterings with ease. Until Kailo’s recent change of heart, the fifty something rotation old blonde Venlil had been a close second in terms of scepticism. Mercifully his rebuttals had always been relevant questions as opposed to ranting diatribes, so he at least remained on topic if nothing else.
Bernard nodded in confirmation, smiling back at Vlek while absentmindedly twirling the end of his moustache, “You heard me right, they do indeed consume plants that are toxic. Just not to them.”
Any worry or uncertainty still clinging to the herd was swept away by the provision of the glaringly obvious answer, leaving me chuckling inwardly at the oversight.
Ah of course! The plant might be poisonous but they’ll have evolved to deal with that. Stars… I’m so used to expecting the unexpected with Earth that I didn’t even consider the simplest solution.
“I see, thank you Doctor,” Vlek replied, a tinge of interest still audible in his tone, “I assume they’ve developed some adaptation to become immune to the harmful effects?”
The question immediately evoked a smirk from our teacher, but he hurriedly suppressed it while bobbing his head, “They have indeed. There are several factors that aid in their digestion of eucalyptus leaves without succumbing to the plant's baleful properties. The first is a part of the intestinal tract called the cecum. It contains a microbiome that allows the Koala to digest the eucalyptus. Coupled with this is an enzyme in the Koala’s liver that helps them break down the toxins. They are also capable of sniffing out the plants with the least amount of toxins, ensuring that they ingest as little as possible.”
Pausing for a breath Bernard looked back at the screen before turning to face us, another grin curling at the edges of his mouth as he continued with his explanation, “This is mostly for adult Koala’s, because while their young also possess these same adaptations, they don’t just go straight to munching through foliage right after being born. No, they need a little help making that jump and getting a stomach full of all that good gut bacteria. It’s nothing bad, but those of a sensitive stomach may wish to prepare themselves for this next part.”
Bernard’s assurances did little to assuage the concern that his warning had foisted upon us. Having been exposed to so much of the weirdness Earth had to offer everyone always ended up on edge whenever Bernard gave advice like this, even if he did say it in jest.
What strange nonsense thing do Koala pups do then? Judging by the way he’s acting it probably isn’t something as simple as drinking milk from the mother. Hmmm…
“So,” Bernard began, snapping us from our pensive stupor, “Young Koala’s, known as joeys, have a gestation period of thirty-five days on average, which is approximately forty-two paws. Once born they travel from the birth canal to a pouch in their mother so that they can continue to develop and grow. In the pouch the joey finds and latches onto one of two teats and these provide the newborn with a steady stream of nourishing milk. It spends the next six to seven months growing in the pouch, its eyes, ears, and fur all developing as time goes on.”
Okay, interesting. But this is exactly how I thought it’d go. What’s different?
The unexpected normalcy of the Koala’s birth and growth cycle had calmed everyone's nerves, only to be replaced with an air of suspicion as we waited with rapt attention for Bernard to drop the other claw and upend our expectations like he always did.
Not wanting to keep us in further suspense he forged ahead, the tempo of his voice picking up as the smile started to crease his face once more, “Now to make the switch from milk to eucalyptus, the mother also feeds the joey a substance called pap. It comes from the cecum I mentioned earlier, and contains all the gut bacteria required to help the young Koala in making the switch to eucalyptus.”
He stopped and looked around, searching us for a reaction to what I felt was a rather bland statement of fact. What was it he was saying without actually saying? Koala pups drink milk to mature and then include this pap substance so that they can start eating plants. I don’t see what-
The cecum is part of the intestine.
I blinked.
I blinked again, the intrusive interruption scouring my brain clean of any other thought bar the one it’d just implanted itself in the forefront of my mind.
Oh stars. They-
“They eat their own poop!?”
The shocked bleat shattered the peace of the room to reveal that most if not all of us had come to the same tail curling conclusion. As the hall filled with unrestrained vocalisations of disgust, an ‘Ugh’ over here and a ‘Blegh’ over there, Bernard’s own bellowing laughter joined the throng of voices.
“Ha! Everytime! Each and every time. Clearly it doesn’t matter if my students are Human or Venlil. Whenever someone learns about the Koala’s dietary development the reaction is the same!”
Pleased with himself beyond reason, Bernard chuckled away while the rest of us grappled with this ghastly reality. While there were plenty of animals that feasted on things that ranged from simply unappealing all the way to the stomach churningly grotesque, I’d never heard of an animal that actively consumed the excrement of its own species. Benefits aside, the prospect of having to do that to survive to adulthood sent a shiver of revulsion down my spine.
Ewww… Stars, I hope I forget this feeling by 2nd meal. They’re serving sturen and magamroot stew later. I was really looking forward to it.
With the herds mood beginning to temper Bernard tapped the podiums controls, removing the verdant collage of eucalyptus to display several similar yet distinct environments, still chortling merrily to himself in the process, “Ok then, with that little foray into their diet complete, why don’t we look at their habitat in more detail? As you might imagine given their diet and arboreal nature, Koala’s live in forested regions, and can be found in tropical and temperate zones. About a century ago they were classed as a vulnerable species, however efforts were made to turn this around and increase their numbers. Sadly the largest factor in their decline was human activity, as the fertile lands that gave rise to their bountiful forests were coveted farm land for our settlements.”
It was strange to hear Bernard so matter of factly admit to humanity's negative impacts on other species. He’d alluded to such things in the past but always with an air of caution, carefully pawing the line between honestly answering a question while not painting humanity as uncaring and destructive. AKA, the ‘predators’ we’d all initially expected them to be.
Perhaps his comfort in making such admissions was a reflection of the class's comfort with him, for no one so much as batted an ear. Even Kailo, who I would’ve expected to jump at the chance to use this as a prime example of predatory danger, only flicked an ear in stern yet silent concern.
A cough from Bernard drew my attention back, a new picture on screen that showed a forest from a bird's-eye view. Drawn across the image were around a dozen ringed areas, some bordering one another while others overlapped to some degree. It took me a moment, but I soon recognised that what I was looking at was a map, the rings representing what I assumed to be territories. And it didn’t take much effort to guess who each one belonged to.
“From habitats we move onto behaviours, so let’s start with territories. Koala’s are solitary animals. Yes, despite being herbivores. Considering they’re only awake for roughly four hours of the day I can hardly blame them. Lots to do and not a lot of time to do it. Jokes aside, once they mature they are quite independent, carving out a little slice of land for themselves, as displayed in this example, called a Home Range. That is not to say they go it alone and leave everything else behind however. Rather, as shown in the map behind me, they live in their own space while still being part of a larger social group.”
With another press of his pad the picture was updated to show one of two symbols in each segment, along with a key to the side of the map displayed in helpful Venlang. A quick glance told me that the symbols were representing whether the territory belonged to a male or female of the species.
“As you can see there is quite a bit of overlap between different Koala’s territories. It is in these areas that most of the socialising takes place between neighbours. The trees in these locations represent the few areas where intrusion across territories is acceptable for the sake of social interaction. Outside of that the Koala’s stick to their own territories for the most part, with the exceptions of Koala’s who are passing through, attempting to become part of the social group themselves, or dominant males who sometimes go off into another Koala’s range. But how do they know where one range begins and another range ends you might ask? Well, this brings us onto the next part of the lecture. How do Koala’s communicate?”
Wiping away the map from the monitor, Bernard loaded up a video of a Koala sitting in a tree and pressed play. Head held high, the Koala’s body shook as it belted out a reverberating call into the wilderness that could only be described as a garbled combination of a car engine failing to turn over mixed with the hiccups of someone with a particularly sore throat.
That’s how they sound? Oof that must be rough on the lungs.
I clearly wasn’t the only one to share such a thought, because I clocked Sandi tracing a paw along her neck as the noise went on, ears fluttering in discomfort at the noise.
Bernard himself cleared his own throat as the video came to an end, minimising it and replacing it with another image of a tree with a Koala rubbing up against the bark, “I think they’ve got me beat on who’s got the deeper voice!”
His joke garnered several amused beeps, a rare reaction that caused a beaming smile to shine across his face at lighting speed, “Oh you’re too kind. I’ll be here all week. Now where were we? Oh yes! Communication. As you’ve just heard, Koala’s are capable of loud low pitched bellows that can carry over vast distances. These express everything from ‘Hello I’m over here’ to ‘This is my turf, stay away’. Bellowing is more common in the males than the females, opting for shouting matches as opposed to outright fights when it comes to asserting dominance. Other vocal expressions include grunts, wails, and snarls if they’re acting particularly angsty. Mother and joey pairs also communicate through gentle clicking, squeaking, and murmuring sounds. And there’s one more thing worth mentioning. Something they have in common with Humans and Venlil when it comes to emoting.”
Really? They do something we do?
Curious, I pressed myself against the desk, straining as close as I could to once more scrutinise the Koala’s features. Not a lot stood out to me at first, the grey marsupial not sharing many similarities with a Venlil that I could identify.
Ok think. We show emotion with our ears, tails, and our wool on occasion. They don’t have tails so it’s obviously not that. Wool standing on end is more a reaction than a conscious expression. So it must be the ears then.
To my quiet satisfaction, my hunch was soon validated by Bernard, “As well as their vocalisations, Koala’s are very emotive through their facial features. Just like humans, they use their mouths and lips to show how they feel, but these tend more towards the aggressive side of the scale than what you might see on a human. Regarding yourselves however, Koala’s utilise their ears in tandem with their mouth movements when showing strong emotion.”
I was delighted to hear that my assumption was correct, a little happy flick twisting out through my tail and bapping against my chair with a muted thump against the plastic.
Hehe yes! Got one right!
“Now then, we are getting close to lunchtime so I’ll finish this segment off with something I think you’ll find particularly interesting. Diplomacy.”
Perplexed mutterings followed in the wake of the bizarre inclusion to the lecture, my own thoughts being dominated by bewilderment as I tried and failed to make sense of how the two could possibly be related.
Why would Koala’s, or any animal for that matter, be linked to diplomacy? Hmmm...
I could understand dispatching exterminators to deal with a predator issue as a show of goodwill, that at least includes animals, but Humans aren’t like that so I think I can safely scratch that off the list.
Maybe the humans who live in that region benefited from Koala’s in some way. Could they have gotten something from them? But what?
Hopefully not what the pups get from their mothers.
Agh no! Begone awful intrusive thoughts. Blegh! I don’t need that in my head.
As I wrestled with the short-lived revulsion inflicted upon me by my Star's damned subconscious, Bernard placed a new image on screen, one that was decidedly different from all that had preceded it.
On screen were more than a couple dozen pictures of humans. Some were pictured alone while others congregated in large groups while cameras surrounded them from all angles. Across all the images, I noted two common themes. First of all, a solid majority of the humans were wearing formal wear similar to what I’d seen worn by UN representatives on TV. If the gaggle of journalists in the background of the photos didn’t already confirm my suspicions, then it was this similarity which made me conclude they were all people of some importance. Likely politicians judging from context clues.
Secondly, each of the individuals was interacting with a Koala in some form. Some cradled one against their chests while others were feeding it eucalyptus leaves or pellets of some kind. One of the assumed politicians had become an impromptu bed for a snoozing bundle of fur, a gleeful smile spread across their face as they lovingly gazed down at the sleeping Koala in their lap.
As I continued to stare at the assorted photos something clicked into place, a sudden spark flickering into life. A burgeoning light of comprehension that flared and swelled with every wide-eyed breath I took. Some things still escaped me, things I hoped would soon be explained, but in staring at all of the humans happy smiling faces, I was struck with an instant of pure understanding.
If someone, say a Nevok for instance, offered to gift me a creature that was common to them but which might exotic and breathtaking to a Venlil, how could my feelings not be swayed? How could I walk away from that encounter and not have grown closer to them as a result?
“Koala diplomacy,” Bernard waved his hand up at the monitor, a slight reverence in his tone, “My favourite kind of soft power diplomacy. Where political leaders take photo ops with Koala’s and, on occasion, the Australian government loans Koala’s to other nations for a time to bolster positive relations. It certainly helps that Koala’s are a beloved animal worldwide, drawing large crowds and revenue for countries fortunate enough to host the adorable critters.”
The truly alien concept predictably sparked instant discussion in the herd, two polar opposite schools of thought swiftly cementing themselves as the most popular opinions. Simultaneously, I heard one voice trill excitedly while another scoffed at what they clearly saw as a ridiculous and offensive notion.
“Squee! That’d be so cool! I’d love to get the chance to see a Liri from Coila. Remember the Rainbow Boa? Think of that shimmering effect and colour but put it on a bird! Ah! I’ve only heard their song on video. It’d be a treat to hear it in person!”
Ooo! I’ve read about them! I’d love to get up close to one.
“Loaning. As if animals are property to be hoarded and traded? Pugh! Another predatory trait the humans don’t want to acknowledge for what it is.”
Ugh, typical. Jump right to the worst possible option.
However, despite my dismissal of their disparaging fumings, an uncomfortable thought pressed upon my mind. While it was plain to see how much humans cared for the Koala, it didn’t change the fact that humans did keep animals as property just as the scornful herd member had said.
This begged a rather important, disquieting question. Aside from keeping some animals as cattle, a stomach tightening minefield I had no desire to step a claw onto right now, how else did humans keep other creatures. And how did they treat them?
Before I was fully conscious of doing it my paw was in the air, the question primed on my tongue.
Noticing my elevated paw Bernard pointed at me, smiling warmly, “Yes Rysel? What’s on your mind?”
Sorry Bernard. I hope this one’s not too awkward for you to answer.
Flicking my ear in appreciation, and waiting for everyone to settle enough so that I could be heard, I voiced my concerns as neutrally as possible, “Thank you Doctor. I uh, just had a thought. We know that humans keep certain animals for… particular reasons, and we know why. From how you’ve spoken about Koala’s I think it's fair to say that the same cannot be said for them. However, this makes me wonder, what other reasons do humans have for keeping animals and how do you treat them?”
A flash of surprise blinked across Bernard's eyes but vanished so quickly that it felt like I’d imagined it. Had he not expected such a question? Maybe he was just shocked that it’d been me who’d ended up asking it?
Stars, am I so predictable that no one expects me to ask difficult questions?
Unfortunately, a quick glance at my deskmates seemed to prove that to be the case, as both Sandi and Kailo were looking at me with differing degrees of astonishment flapping in their ears.
Well speh.
“A very good point Rysel, certainly one that’s worth raising. Yet another example of you all anticipating what I have to say before I can bring it up myself.” Bernard tapped the podium, switching off the monitor before returning his focus to me, “We won’t be needing that. I’ve nothing prepared that I can show you and we’re heading to lunch in a few minutes anyway. Still, that’s plenty of time to give you a bit of an answer.”
A bit? What does he mean just a bit?
Made even more curious by Bernard's preempted admission that he wasn’t going to fully answer my query, I dialled both my ears on him, fixing him with an inquisitive stare as he started to explain with a tone that was noticeably more nonchalant than any of his previous explanations.
“So, animals in captivity for reasons other than what you already know. Honestly I would love to delve into other reasons regarding why we keep animals. However, I have a lesson plan in the works that I hope to share with you all in the not too distant future. Some of it touches upon this very topic and I’d quite like to bundle it all together. That said, I can tell you how animals in captivity are treated. In short, the answer is very well. There are a mountain of laws both on private and public interests that govern the standards and ethical treatment of animals, and breaches of these laws are quite severe even for relatively minor infractions.”
While I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed by the vague answer to what was really the bulk of my question, I was at least satisfied by Bernard’s assurances that animals in captivity, such as the Koala, were well looked after. Considering the barely subdued grumbling coming from some corners of the audience it was clear that several of the herd didn’t believe Bernard outright, but I trusted him to be honest. Additionally, the mention of an upcoming lecture focused on humans keeping animals caused quite the buzz.
I felt a mix of excitement and trepidation at exploring the topic further. He’d pretty much confirmed we wouldn’t be talking about cattle farms, for which I was relieved, but that still left a huge amount of uncertainty in what was to come.
Humans keeping animals as cattle was a forgone conclusion. As horrifying as that reality was, it was one I could understand from a detached and strictly clinical point of view. Being predators they ate meat and therefore they kept cattle. But the concept of keeping animals for any other reason baffled me.
What could be the purpose? The diplomacy thing makes sense now that I have context, but what other reasons could they have.
The class's discussions were interrupted by the recognisable ring of the break bell, the shift in attention eliciting a change in conversation from confused hypotheses to peppy conversation on how everyone was planning to spend their break and what they had in mind for 2nd meal.
“Well I can see everyone’s excited for lunch, and who am I to disappoint,” chuckling Bernard waved us all up from our seats, pocketing his pad from the podium and heading to open the classroom door for us, “Enjoy your break, get a good rest along with a hearty meal, and I’ll see you all back here at the usual time.”
As everyone else filed out I stayed behind, waving at Sandi and Kailo as they left, and pawing over to Bernard once he and I were the only ones left in the room.
Ears folded down and with an apologetic tinge in my voice I greeted him as I sidled up to him, “Hey Bernard, I uh… sorry if that last question was unexpected.”
Chortling in reply, Bernard waved a hand through the air in a sign I’d come to understand meant ‘not a problem’.
“No need to apologise Rysel. It was a good question and most certainly not a problem.”
Heh, called it.
I sighed, allowing tension I didn’t realise I’d been holding to relax itself from my shoulders, “Phew, that’s a relief. I’m glad. I’m curious to hear what this new lesson is you’ve got in store for us by the way.”
Bernard wagged a finger at me, throwing up his eyebrows in mock amazement, “Oh are you now? Well I’m afraid you’ll have to remain curious for the time being. It’s going to be quite the surprise if all goes to plan. But…”
He trailed off, glancing at me before looking to the door like he was making sure no one else was around.
Wait, is he going to tell me? Oh please yes let me know now!
Stopping myself from jumping on the spot in excited anticipation, and trying my damndest to stop my tail from wagging in equal measure, I stared up at Bernard as he stewed in his thoughts before turning back to face me.
“I can’t tell you the specifics, but I’m working with Alejandro and Tolim to get something together. A trip that’s not a trip as it were. And when it happens, I’m going to need a few of the more accepting members of the class to lend me a hand. I’m hoping you and a couple others will be able to help with that?”
A trip that’s not a trip? What does that mean? Agh who cares about that right now! Bernard’s relying on me to help out!
Still trying not to keep myself from bouncing around with pup like glee I swished my tail and nodded my head in joint agreement, happy to help with whatever Bernard had in store for us, “Of course! Anything you need I’ll be there to lend a paw. You can count on me!”
A broad warm smile lit up Bernard's face, a hand patting me on the shoulder in appreciation, “Thank you Rysel. I knew I could rely on you but it still warms my heart to hear it. And, as thanks for this and for the many times you’ve shown your support, the surprise includes a little something special I think you’d appreciate the most.”
If my earlier enthusiasm had been at a nine, then the implication of a supposed gift sent it rocketing all the way to a hundred in a heartbeat.
“Wait… WHAT!? What do you mean? What are you doing?”
As impossible as it seemed, Bernard's grin grew even wider as I almost lost myself in wool shaking exhilaration, “Call it my own form of Koala diplomacy. But I’m afraid that’s all I can say for now. Wouldn’t want to ruin the surprise even for you!”
“Oh you ass!” Whistling jovially I bapped my tail against Bernard’s leg in fake indignation, evoking a barking bellowing laugh from the man himself.
Still laughing, the two of us departed the class and made for the canteen, my rumbling stomach leading me on while my mind spun with fantastical thoughts as to what Bernard had prepared for us.
And what specifically he had in store for me.

(First time poster )
So, I don't know where to start on this one, but I'm having a hard time processing this situation and need help. I did start seeing a therapist but it's been a while so I guess I should go back, but here goes.
I met my husband roughly ten years ago and his Mom seemed ok for a while. When we were dating, she even invited me to do paint nights with her which I thought was nice. She did like to gossip a lot to me which in retrospect I see now was a 🚩#1.
Things seemed ok until my BIL got into a new relationship, and his girlfriend came clean with me: She asked me how my relationship is with MIL is and I said it was ok, why? And she proceeded to tell me that MIL gossips and talks badly about me non stop. Especially after coming back from visiting my house. BILs girlfriend was uncomfortable with this and told MIL that this was mean and uncalled for and even before she met me she felt bad for me and thought we'd get along, because she too had been victim to bullying and this is what this felt like. MIL responded with "you don't know her".
Anyways she told me the kind of things MIL was saying about me and it was not nice. Basically she would observe any kind of issue or conflict in my life but emphasize it to be super critical with absolutely no empathy and often full on lies to make me look bad and I now understand, to turn my husband's siblings against me. Which she has from the beginning of my and hubby's time together (2014).
For example, in 2021 we moved to a new city so we could buy a house and uprooted my 3 yr old daughters entire life. She had a hard adjustment and picked her face for a while (it was also summer so mosquito bites are what started it) she also regressed and wet the bed for a bit. She then adjusted and was just fine.
MIL turns this into "OP is anxious and is making her daughter anxious" Her daughter is anxious and it's OP's fault". I haven't suffered with anxiety for a while. It was only the year we got married, and I was better with medication. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Nor did I share any of my mental health struggles with MIL so she's making an assumption at best.
She complains that I'm lazy and do not do housework or cooking to her satisfaction (she was a SAHM and I am not). I should mention hubby and I have a 50/50 type deal with household and child minding. We both work. 🤷🏼‍♀️
I asked my hubby respectfully to never fight with me in front of MIL but he has, And like a snake in the grass she then tells everyone all about it, but turns it into something it wasn't. Not lying per se but emphasizing the dysfunction without any empathy or recognizing her own sons role in all of this.
My husband for his part has been very hesitant to set boundaries with her, but also emotionally keeps a distance from her. Then a few years ago, he told me MIL was responsible in the past for breaking up his relationships with other girlfirneds by making his partners feel uncomfortable 🚩#2.
It appears that recently the lies and gossip has been escalated. She makes me feel uncomfortable in my own house. I catch her darting dirty looks at me and then when I notice this, she switches it to giving me a fake smile.
She has no poker face and I sense the hostility whenever she's around.
The only time I let her clean my house without me getting up was when I was very pregnant with my son and exhausted. Yet she still tells anyone who will listen how lazy I am.
Last time she was over, I asserted myself more and would be firm with my boundaries. I also made it clear when her opinions were wrong / uncalled for.
It was this past winter and she took it upon herself to clean my back porch (we don't have a garage and it was messy). I told her to please stop cleaning my back porch. She explained she was here to help so she might as well help. I said I would rather she didn't. She asked why. I said because it feels like judgment. After a pause she said well you're family so you don't need to feel that way. When I told my hubby he was shocked and complained that she was supposed to be visiting her grandchildren (who were sitting in the other room, alone). She seems more interested in passive aggressively making me feel like I can't keep house. Again, I WORK FULL TIME. I have two small children and I do what I can. My house is far from a disaster, but I'm sure the crumbs you can see on my floors are enough to warrant her disapproval.
Overly judgemental and appears not to "approve" of me for her son 🚩3 and 4.
The worst recent situation was thrifting with MIL, which used to be the only thing we could bond over. I took my daughter and while shopping, she carelessly grabbed at a teacup I was buying and it smashed on the floor. As a Millenial who is trying very hard to gentle parent (despite the fact I was never taught self regulation by my boomer parents) I got on her level and told her that it wasn't ok to do that in the store and to observe the consequence. My daughter usually doesn't do stuff like that, and she felt bad so she burst into tears. I then spend time holding her in a hug and comforting her until she felt better. Employee came by and told me not to worry about paying for it as it was an accident. MIL immediately went home and told BIL and BIL gf that I yelled at my daughter in a store and made her cry. That was NOT what happened. In fact I'm positive if I had been permissive and not disciplined her in the store, she would have bad mouthed my parenting as well. This time I let BIL know that his mother lied about this situation and I'm incredibly frustrated and angry with MIL.
BIL is strongly enmeshed with MIL and his willingness to believe MIL opinions as fact is one of the reasons his relationship with the present girlfriend fell apart. He's also an alcoholic and refused to stop or get help.
I suspect the reason MIL tries so hard to destroy my character and BIL GFs character is because she does not want any attention on her and her horrible actions.
She secretly started seeing the man she had an affair with in the 90s again, causing her relationship with FIL to dissolve and they divorced (dead marriage for years). To pay for said divorce, she remortgaged the house and convinced BIL to co-sign. As soon as he did, she moved in with her 90s affair boyfriend and told BIL she could not help with the bills anymore since she had committed to her 90s affair boyfriends mortgage (my husband and I suspect this was her plan all along). The stress of the financial situation definitely pushed BILs addiction further, but he also has anger issues and mental health issues.
My husband for his part is furious and refused to accept this 90s affair boyfriend of hers who caused him all kinds of childhood trauma (which she won't admit to). He's happy for her but wants no relationship with this man. I also think that she's trying to create infighting between the siblings and our marriages so no one confronts her for her actions. Husband also has a sister who (surprise surprise) hates my guts and treats me like shit.
She tried to push my husband's boundary about 90s affair boyfriend and he doubled down, causing more distance.
After BILs relationship broke down, I was so stressed out from emotionally being involved that I'm now not talking to MIL or BIL but she keeps dropping messages to wish me happy Easter or happy mothers day.
I told hubby she is no longer welcome in my home so the last few times he saw her they met with our children out of town and I stayed home.
Question is: do I just cut her off entirely with no explanation or do I give her a reason and outline why I am going no contact? Since she won't change (narcissist) husband is not willing to go to therapy with her. I feel like the only way I can get over this hurt and pain I'm still processing is either confronting her or going no contact and blocking her on Facebook.
Any advice????

(I don’t like to give CWs as I believe you are responsible for your own triggers, but it’s probably required for this type of post so here goes: I do talk about anatomy and graphic self-harm and briefly about sexual assault and suicide.)
I’ve seen (and responded to) a lot of recent posts in this sub on this topic, so I wanted to express my pure rage at this tucute talking point for once and for all. (This is going to be a summary of/expansion on points I’ve made in other posts.)
I’m so sick of tucutes and mainstream trans activists/media (and even some schools/educational books, apparently) saying men (by which they mean trans men) get pregnant, and give birth, and even “chestfeed” (because for some reason they’re not dysphoric about, I dunno, GIVING BIRTH but they’re so dysphoric they don’t want to acknowledge they have breasts despite using them for their intended biological purpose) their babies. What’s worse is the “examples” they use are of women (I say women because there’s NO WAY these people are trans) who have clearly taken enough testosterone to look like men, and present as men, yet go on to do the most female thing you can do. Why the fuck would you transition in the first place just to go back and literally become a mother?! You’re intentionally making yourself look like a freak instead of actually caring about the public image of trans people because you want to feel special so bad. And tucutes wonder why conservatives think we’re insane!
If you look up “pregnant man”, you will find like 50+ videos of different “pregnant men” as well as that idiotic fucking emoji and countless “debates” over whether men can get pregnant. It’s fucking ludicrous and disgusting that people think this is what we are. Circus clowns who can’t escape our original biology. Even well-meaning cis allies like my mom (who is actually against most tucute ideology) think trans men can get pregnant because “some trans people really want kids and they don’t see any other way”. Even my well-meaning and well-educated trans health doctors will ask me questions like “Is there any possibility you could be pregnant?” or “Have you recently had sex with a person with a penis?” (For context, I’ve never dated or had sex, I’ve been on T for 7 years, and I’m straight, but even doctors who know that will still entertain the idea of me potentially having PiV sex with a pre-op trans woman, which I would never EVER do as that would be incredibly dysphoria inducing and I’m not attracted to penises as they’re - you know - still male.)
Let’s make it clear once and for all - getting pregnant is my (and any trans man’s) absolute WORST NIGHTMARE. The whole idea of using the parts that distinguish you from cis and post-op trans men to have sex, where you’re being physically penetrated and then impregnated, and then growing a WHOLE HUMAN BEING in again another female body part for 9 months, having all sorts of somatic symptoms and physical reminders that this is happening and everyone being able to see you’re pregnant, and then having to give birth to it through a long and complicated painful process using said body parts feels like a parasitic body horror movie to me. It would be like being John Hurt in Alien or that poor woman in Xtro. On top of that I have an Eraserhead-esque fear of fatherhood responsibility that makes me never want to be a parent. But even for trans men who want to be fathers, they want to be FATHERS- and no matter what Thomas Beatie might say, fathers do not give birth.
The only possible scenario I could see with a legitimate trans man getting pregnant is (and sorry for bringing this up) if God forbid he was r*ped. Even then he would probably get an abortion right away and never give birth to the child. Or kill himself, because that’s exactly what I would do in that scenario. I’ve never been SA’d thank God, but due to my OCD I do have a fear of being r*ped and impregnated and even get regular nightmares (where I wake up in a panic) about it. A little TMI I know, but that’s just a testament to how much trans men hate pregnancy.
I mean, I would rather set myself on fire than get pregnant. I would rather have all my teeth and fingernails pulled out without anesthesia than get pregnant. I would rather be dissolved in hydrochloric acid than get pregnant. You get the picture. Because even though I’d go through excruciating pain, I’d at least a) still not be a biological mother at the end of the day and b) hopefully be dead afterwards and not cognizant of the pain anymore, unlike being fucking pregnant where you can never escape it.
Maybe I’m so extreme on this issue because I’m straight and have extreme genital dysphoria (to the point where I don’t even know if I’ll have sex until after phallo), but I can’t imagine it being much different for any other trans man.
So let’s say it one more time for those in the back: TRANS. MEN. DO. NOT. WILLINGLY. GET. PREGNANT! I know I’m preaching to the choir here but people need to know this.
Sorry for the TMI and the horror movie references. I hope you get my message.

I am 4-5 days post op at time of posting (no drains, dissolvable stitches, glued shut). I have had a really rough recovery so far, and honestly if I’d known ahead of time exactly what this was going to be like, I think I would’ve backed out (I purposefully did not do a ton of research because I knew I would be a coward if I had thorough details). So I am thankful I didn’t know, because I don’t regret it and I’m so happy it’s said and done.
I am not trying to dissuade anyone from going through with it, I just want anyone who’s only heard “it was easy” to know there’s potential for it to not be easy (I could just have had a particularly bad time, this may not be representative of other people’s experiences).
I do wonder if people post their postop experience 5-10 days later and by then they’ve kinda “forgotten” how bad the first few days were (like with childbirth kinda). I wrote it all down the second day and the whole thing is just “horrible pain, I am taking all my meds and still it hurts, I can’t move, I was sobbing and shaking during my first shower, I am horribly bloated and uncomfortable, I can’t get comfortable at all, I wish I hadn’t done this.”
The first day after surgery I was weeping uncontrollably in pain, I had a very weak voice and couldn’t call out to ask for help from a nurse. One gave me meds that helped but they wore off and no one checked on me for so long I couldn’t get more help. I was alone in pain for a while and it was horrible. I also tasted nothing but plastic for almost two days I assume from a breathing tube or something.
My nips felt like I had a screwdriver poking in and being twisted, my core and arms were horribly sore, my stomach was bloated beyond belief, I could barely move. I had to sleep (and still am) basically sitting up, because I couldn’t lift myself up well from a full lie-down position without hurting my incisions. I am so frustrated that I am stuck in that same position all the time, I desperately want to lay on my side or my stomach and I cried last night in the discomfort that I couldn’t do anything but be half propped in bed or a chair 24/7.
I feel a lot better now, I’m able to get comfortable, the pregnancy pillow was a 10/10 purchase and helped by supporting my arms while I slept. I have one Oxy left and I am scared of running out, but it’s time to fly the nest. I still am shuffling around, nauseous a lot, very uncomfortable in my chest, I feel like I can’t take a full breath. My chest feels tight from the sutures and the bandages and the bra. But there’s much less pain which I am so happy for.
I am not trying to just complain and be “nasty”, I am very thankful to my surgeon and to the people helping me, I just felt everyone on my medical team said it was easy recovery and that totally felt untrue. I have no infection, it’s all “going to plan” so I don’t think it’s from an abnormal body issue.
I guess my point is beware, be prepared to handle the pain, but more so the discomfort which I think was worse. It wasn’t the incisions being horrible, it’s the bloat and the nausea, the discomfort of being stuck in the same position, the swelling, that’s the worst of it.

Call me the Memetranslator, because I speak fluent Meme and can explain every Meme. In reality all of this is nonesense though, so do not take anything here seriously. Also I am not affiliated with anyone, including DFV. Interpreting Art, even Memes, is always from the point of view of an observer and very often has little to do with the authors intention. So just to be extra clear, the title is not meant to be taken seriously. I do not know everything and we will see that within the next 10 hours! Because the last meme DFV posted I translate as a "you know what to do and goodbye", so if we see DFV posting on the 17th, we will KNOW that I am wrong, just a heads up.
Also I will write everything a bit more boringly, so nobody gets swept up in some rallying speech. You will see why!
Meme #1: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791106334517010680 We are told whats happening now is a game, maybe meaning the price developement and the downtrend at this moment on this day. We are shown the hats from the prestige that are duplicated, meaning probably the tons of extra shares that the shorts created. Then we are told that those are the inciting incident, the Catalyst. The Kansas City Shuffle, per explanation in that movie, is going left when told to go right. The Kansas City Shuffle explanation in reality is a sheme, where you trick someone, that knows he is being tricked, with basically another trick, that involves the victim working towards their own demise to not fall for what they think the trick is. So a two part Plan that needs the victim to try to protect themselves against Plan A, leading to fruition of Plan B. Thing is, in the Movie, after the guy looks into the direction that bruce willis points at, his neck is snapped. So the "Made you Look" in the end sounds quite sinister.
So here is the thing, the Kansas City shuffle basically destroys the victim through an action that they do to safeguard themselves against a perceived Plan 1 against them. what is Plan 1 and what is Plan 2 of the Kansas City Shuffle in our situation? We know they are trying to trick us and they need us to take ourselves out of the picture.
You guys are not going to like this, but this points towards Enemies from within and some rules that we use may lead towards us destroying ourselves. Probably rules that shills introduced to "safeguard", when in reality it was what destroyed us.
So which rules on our subreddit could that be? I guess we will see later, but you guys are not going to like it.
Meme #2: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791110102797172804
The Bride is surrounded by enemies and bloodied up, while a song tells us, noone can basically dance like I do. This could point towards Either DFV telling us we should only listen to him, because he is the only memelord that can do it right. But the bride is not Cat-coded. So it may point to every investor having to make decisions for himself, as nobody can do those decisions for them. Or in Short: Do not listen to the voices on the internet, do your own research and make your own decisions. And definetly do not listen to other Memers other than DFV, if the other interpretation floats your boat more. Unfortunately both versions tell you to not listen to people like me :-)
Meme #3: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791113879684325383
"Pay strict attention to what I say because I choose my words carefully and I never repeat myself!" And then we see a Cat, looking from behind a wall. DFV codes himself as a cat. This may be him speaking to us to pay attention!
Meme #4: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791117652276195516 Just Dance on the radio is important for later memes, as dancing will be coded later. Michael Scott comes back, Britney tells us she is losing her mind without "you". I think that "you" refers to Kitty and we are britney, bitch. We are back, not that something is happening and we have been losing our mind without DFV. We want him to give us a sign, ONE MORE TIME. The "g" in "sign" is a symbol from the movie "Signs" that will appear in later memes. He is telling us, that if we are waiting for a sign with our investment, he will post something from the movie "Signs".
Meme #5: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791121430836584789 Keith Gill, the cat in the trenchcoat comes back with his writings/Memes. And he awakens R.C. and his dog. And it seems like Bears/Shorts should watch out now, cause they got something brewing. Following the last meme, it seems DFV comes back because the investors need him and ask him for a sign.
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Meme #6: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791125203147428066 "We need a language for us two, we dont need to describe" tells us, that he uses the meme-speech, because we understand it without the need to describe it. Though I have to say, apparently that is not the case as not everybody is fluent in Memeology. It could mean he is only speaking to those that talk his language, understand him and dance with him. Dancing comes up as a motif again.
"Everytime you call on me I drop what I do, you are my best friend and we have shit to shoot." could mean us and DFV. Or at least DFV and those who understand him need to do some shit. Freakish dancing behaviour is shown, which is a callback to the "where the freaks at"-meme and for the upcoming next game. It is somewhat a call to action, to get a little crazy
Meme #7: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791128976632459643 "No were never gonna survive unless we are a little crazy" So that is a definete call to action to get a little crazy, which is apparently needed in this our endevour. It may also be a call-out of a jungle-subreddit and a call to action to unleash some crazyness.... which would be something they condone.
Meme #8: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791132751976120778 This is from the movie SIGNS. If you have been waiting for a sign, this is it. (but to do what..... later....) Roaring Kitty appears like a stalker villain in this, which codes Mel Gibson as the shorts, as he is afraid of kitty.
Meme #9: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791136527801807077 Another scene from the movie "Signs". Doubling down, that this is a sign to do something right NOW. In this meme, it is talked about that you are to decide wether you believe in coincidences and that people get lucky or if you see the signs and BELIEVE! Now, as there are several "Signs"-Memes after this, this specific moment seems to be important. Looking at the trading going on during that time, its set during the lowest point on the day. THIS is one of the reasons I delayed posting this Post. Because if these Memes show us the point for us to BUY, as its the lowest price of the day, it would be hard to argue in the moment. However, as we already have AfterHours Price action, we can see, that the stock did go lower in the after hours. So my interpretation or DFV is definetly wrong or he only meant "during market hours", as most people can not trade in the after hours or he means an instrument that can only be used during market hours..... (Yes... that financial instrument. I will come back to that later)
Meme #9: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791140301895352325 So basically another scene from the movie signs. Where he says "STOP" and then two aliens seem to be talking. And he is listening in. So somebody is listening in to two entities talking. As Mel Gibson was coded as an adversary to Kitty in the first meme, I assume it continues. So it may be Shorts trying to listen to DFV talking through memes with Reddit.
Meme #10: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791144075963298165 Signs again! the Boy that was listening to two entities shows us the Sign of Gamestop. Gamestop seems to leave some massive signs... right now? So did Gamestop leave a sign for us somehow? Is this related to the buyback that was marked as such? (see Peruvian Bulls twitter on the day of DFVs return)
Meme #11: Signs again: Opinions are this is genuine. And then Kitty appears. Again, this codes the family as the shorts. The sign from gamestop and Kitty appearing seem to be no coincidence. It is a SIGN!!!! So basically this: If you do see the signs, it is your interpretation to see them as coincidences or as a genuine sign. Decide on your own! Ball is in your court..... But what he is telling us is basically that THIS IS IT YOU GUYS! ITS HAPPENING! YOU NEED TO ACT NOW!!! (this is only my translation, it is not a call to action by me, I just read it as one by DFV)
Meme #12: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791151631259574559 "What does it mean? The thing you just said?" - "Come on, I'll show you some more stuff" Basically it is redditors asking DFV what he means with the thing he just said and him not explaining and showing us more stuff. So do not expect an explanation by DFV EVER.... Which is a bit sad, but there it is. I see a pattern of him wanting people to decide on their own and doing their own due dilligence, but believing in the signs that pop up and that those are not coincidences.
Meme #13: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791155401091596494 It continues from the last meme, that instead of being a usual investor, with an investment thesis, he prefers to make memes. Which is him doubling down on him not explaining himself with his memes.
Meme #13; https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791159177785770273 DFV is sitting there, making Memes. But its just a matter of time.
Meme #14: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791162950373527857 He is doing his duty (due dilligence). If you want to party/invest with him, you have to do a certain thing. He wants to see our Hands (Diamond Hands) where he can see them, which is not reddit, but the stock market.... though normal orders do not go through..... could he mean options, as those go through to a lit market? "Straight buckwhylin in the place to be"... there is a place to be..... so there is also a place to not be. Market vs options Market maybe? And he asks again "If you REALLY want to party with me".... so you better be DAMN sure you really want to do this before you decide to party with him. And he really stresses that part.... you NEED to be fucking sure!*
Meme #15: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791166726891061749 So you wanna be a Sicario? Here is where I get the options impression from. All the memes before, the options talk was added after this and one other meme. This meme is really fucking serious compared to everything that has come before. The Symbol for a certain forbidden subreddit is shown. That subreddit is known for one thing and one thing only: Absolute degenerate Options Plays. Mainly 0DTEs, but NOT ONLY THOSE!!!!! I will not explain 0DTE as you should not do those if you need that term explained.
Welcome to the fucking Darkside..... its degenerate Options that DFV made this Gamestop thing with. This is what is expected if you want to party with him. (NOTE by OP: Remember that DFV did use options, but they were VERY far out expiring options.... like 2 years out.... -> DO NOT JUMP INTO 0DTE OPTIONS BECAUSE OF ANYONE ELSE BUT YOUR OWN DECISIONS AND DUE DILLIGENCE <- 0DTE Options en masse broke the market in 2021, but now "they" will probably know how to handle those, so really think about if that would really have any effect)
Meme #16: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791170783277949042 Cramer wanted 2 folding chairs in a DFV meme. DFV Tells him "You wont stop what is coming" and a train drives through those chairs. Then Stonecold Steve Austin enters the Ring and punches a bunch of people in a royal rumble. Meaning there is a very chaotic fight coming up with one Motherfucker going through everyone like a freight train. That may be the investors or DFV.
Meme #17: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791174276604699013 DFV/The investor is taking both hands of the wheel, he listens to the music without Fear. The Music is what is happening at this moment and whats coming up. Signals and everything. And you can do it too, if you are really honestly listening. He is a punk rocker. This will be continued next meme.
Meme #18: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791178049939182048 So apparently being a Rocker is not about chicks and drugs and things connected to "lifestyle". Its about sticking it to the MAN. Which is the construct that is our financial system. DFV/the investor is not in this for the money anymore. This is Gamestop-Investors against the crooked financial system.
Meme #19: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791181824754106742
Cars playing chicken. And winning. Investors need to play chicken with a bigger adversary.... and win. DFV tells us he needs us to be fearless.... and he needs us to win. He is not done though.... because the big guys WILL BLINK!
Meme #20: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791185600453783688 DFV Shows us his accomplishemnts and tells us that a lot of bullshit is happening right now. But under all the paperwork and numbers and stuff, you can see a story. Shorts never closed, Gamestop does the killing shot and soon... take your pick. But if you do not go through the information YOURSELF, you will not reach what DFV did accomplish. Thing is, among those rewards, the one that is tapped on is the one for "DEGEN OF THE MONTH", again with the mascot of that gambling subreddit. This also points towards option plays being the play that he expects to be necessary for people that party with him.
Meme #21: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791189376195854606 Kitty is showing us what music he is listening to that we need to hear, changing our lives. Dont FEAR the REAPER. This follows up the dancing and the Music motif and also continues the "Playing chicken" motif.... He tells us to not be afraid of DEATH/Total Wipeout (I do not condone this message myself, I think people need to be careful and think about their actions).
Meme #22: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791193149408223306 Continues the meme where the boy coded as DFV draw dicks. A degen gambler tries to find out the plan by COHEN (R.C.) and finds out, that he is also just drawing dicks. So DFV and R.C. seem to think alike. Both are memeing definetly.
Meme #23: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791196925619789864 Mainstream media and a former SEC Chairman wants to wipe the justice system alike and asks if "we should tolerate" tweets by DFV. DFV sees this as an attack. And it is a very clear threat and definetly a declaration of war against normal people by the Financial "Elite" and especially freedom of speech and DFV.
Meme #24: https://x.com/TheRoaringKitty/status/1791257325451493396 DFV/Jason Bourne tells us he is under attack and as "they" know who and where he is, he is afraid he is going to be made an example. This continues the last meme with the very open threat of not tolerating what he is doing, legality aside. He can not ride with us anymore and needs to figure stuff out. So he drives into a tunnel with an "EXIT STRATEGY" sign (in frensh) and then we see ... in a continuation in the movie "drive", where he loses his Driver persona and becomes a normal person to dissolve into a crowd.
So there you have it. I think this was the last DFV Tweet for a while, because of recent MSM events. We will see if I interpreted correctly by market begin.
TLDR: DFV Tells us if we are waiting for a sign, THIS IS THE Sign! To do what? Apparently degenerate Options. (Though his options hat a far out expiry date, so nowhere does it say 0DTEs are the way!) Also he takes his exit from posting openly for a while.
I think everything has been said.
Personal OP-annotation: I tried to stay as close to the memes as possible, this is the translation I came up with. They do not line up with my personal views on Options though, as I think most people here do not understand them at all and should not be using them. Also remember, Interpretations are always different from authors intent. I think DFV will not post again for a while, we will see that I am wrong in about 10 hours. If I am wrong, I will keep this post up, so everyone can see how wrong I was.
Thanks for reading. Thanks for everything!

I'm going to try to keep this short, but also give enough information for analysis and advice. Feb. 20, 2024 I underwent the All-on-4 procedure for my top arch. I'm a 29-year-old female battling with chronic illness my entire life. That, paired with other factors, has caused massive tooth decay in my mouth starting very early. I have some fears regarding dental work related to a bad experience having my wisdom teeth & "12 y/o molars" being removed at 15. But I got over it and sought the treatment. Open and willing to do whatever was needed to get my smile back and be able to eat normally. I've lost over 30 pounds in the last year, and I'm basically malnourished at this point.
I went to an implant clinic local to me and financed a 20k loan for just my top arch. Thats all I can afford right now. This whole experience has been SO traumatic for me.
From being fully awake through the whole process, after I was promised that between the night before meds and morning anxiety medication along with nitrous that I would be totally out. The meds were never called into the pharmacy. I was told me they would only be available the night before for pick up. When they weren't found at any pharmacy in town , I called and their office was closed already. Nobody answered the after-hours line. So I just had to show up at 7am for my procedure without having taken them. I let them know and they told me that the nitrous should still knock me out. Which i believed to be true, past dental work with it would have me knocked out!
But I sobbed and cried and prayed for almost 6 hours while they extracted 14 teeth, it wasn't quick or easy at all, then they placed my implants. 5 of them.
All of my care has been from different providers at the same office. The dentist who I was told would be taking care of my entire process did my numbing shots then left. Someone I didn't know took over. I've never seen her in the office since that day. This has happened almost every follow up.
My pain for the first month was truly unbearable. I work 45 hours a week and they promised me I would be totally fine to work. I wasn't. I did still work without missing a single day, but that was by the grace and strength of God. Also, the demand of my huge loan payment monthly. The gum pain, nerve pain, constant intense throbbing finally subsided less than a month ago. I still get a lot of throbbing at my implant sites, but I continue to hope it's just the osseointegration that I'm feeling.
I went in weekly describing my pain and concerns and was ignored and told 'its normal". They refused to do any scans, check my stitches that never dissolved, I had to nicely demand the remove them after about a month in half because they were all untied and hanging out of my temp but also lodged underneath it.
I have almost ZERO ability to clean in between the acrylic temp and my gums. One side has space the other is smashed into my gums. Totally uneven. It even feels completely unbalanced in my mouth and moves and makes loud clicking noises. I've timed the amount of time I am cleaning and water flossing in a single day and it typically is about an hour total. Yet my mouth tastes terrible all the time. I can feel food lodged between that I'm not able to get out. I've told the dentist this every single time and I'm ignored.
I have so many questions and concerns regarding this whole experience, but most importantly is this:
Next week I start getting fitted for my permanent teeth. I feel so insecure in my knowledge of how this is supposed to look, fit, and feel. I dont know how to properly advocate for myself and care. I always trust the experts. I'm not a dentist, they are. But I dont trust mine. He has mislead me on many things, gets angry if I say i don't want or like something. For example my current and only temp just simply doesn't fit. It looks ridiculous. I'm not the only person wo has expressed this. My entire family has said the same things. But he refused to even discuss a differnt temp that I have had to wear for months. I explained it not even the aesthetic that I can't deal with its the fit and feel. He was clearly annoyed and told me he's not making another. Mind you he prints these in office with a 3d printer. When I had something almost pertruding through my gums in the front of an implant site he wouldn't do a scan. They finally agreed to do it at my next appointment, only because it's time anyway since this would be my first scheduled "pre op" appointment. If I hadn't been there by request weekly the first two months this would've been the only time I was seen or checked in this whole process.
My screws have fallen out and been replaced. Each time this happened I asked if they would please just check underneath for trapped food and I was told No every time. With no explanation. Is this normal?!!? I truly don't know. But it doesn't feel normal or right. I paid 20k for this. I feel like I've been scammed in way.
If anyone at all could give me ANY info or advice I would be so grateful. I can elaborate more on anything needed I just don't want to ramble and complain. I just wanted my smile back and the ability to eat. Im down to 94 pounds. Eating is barely possible. They didn't tell me anything about my diet restrictions until after the implants were in. I totally get why it would be soft foods only, but I don't understand why they wouldn't tell me things like this at my consult. It's one of the many things that I feel was ignored and left out when discussing this treatment option for me.
One final thing. While adjusting my bite one day he was filing down the implants in the back. I must note that my bottom teeth aren't in great condition but I'm taking great care of them until I can afford to have them done as well. Without any warning the dentist started filing down MY natural bottom teeth. Not just a little, noticeably even to the eye. I made many noises and waved my hands trying to get him to stop. He continued until I got loud and was pulling my head away. He removed he his hands from my mouth clearly annoyed with me. I asked "are you filing my bottom teeth?!?!' His response- "they're bad anyway". He knows that i can't afford to fix them right now. We discussed this many times. Needless to say, I left in a complete panic attack. Why was that necessary?? Or even an option to him. I now understand dental work and standards are different all over the world. I had zero issues with the ethnicity of who provided my care. But after further research I've seen many things about dental work in India and how brutal it can be. I'm truly don't mean this in a bad way. It's just what I've read in my many hours of research on the topic.
Dentists, assistants, anyone with knowledge or experience. PLEASE any info would be so helpful to me.
Please and thank you again. Sorry for the long post. This truly is the abridged version of this story sadly. I'm just read for this to be over. But I just need the results to be worth the 20k and the trauma.

I'm going to try to keep this short, but also give enough information for analysis and advice. Feb. 20, 2024 I underwent the All-on-4 procedure for my top arch. I'm a 29-year-old female battling with chronic illness my entire life. That, paired with other factors, has caused massive tooth decay in my mouth starting very early. I have some fears regarding dental work related to a bad experience having my wisdom teeth & "12 y/o molars" being removed at 15. But I got over it and sought the treatment. Open and willing to do whatever was needed to get my smile back and be able to eat normally. I've lost over 30 pounds in the last year, and I'm basically malnourished at this point.
I went to an implant clinic local to me and financed a 20k loan for just my top arch. Thats all I can afford right now. This whole experience has been SO traumatic for me.
From being fully awake through the whole process, after I was promised that between the night before meds and morning anxiety medication along with nitrous that I would be totally out. The meds were never called into the pharmacy. I was told me they would only be available the night before for pick up. When they weren't found at any pharmacy in town , I called and their office was closed already. Nobody answered the after-hours line. So I just had to show up at 7am for my procedure without having taken them. I let them know and they told me that the nitrous should still knock me out. Which i believed to be true, past dental work with it would have me knocked out!
But I sobbed and cried and prayed for almost 6 hours while they extracted 14 teeth, it wasn't quick or easy at all, then they placed my implants. 5 of them.
All of my care has been from different providers at the same office. The dentist who I was told would be taking care of my entire process did my numbing shots then left. Someone I didn't know took over. I've never seen her in the office since that day. This has happened almost every follow up.
My pain for the first month was truly unbearable. I work 45 hours a week and they promised me I would be totally fine to work. I wasn't. I did still work without missing a single day, but that was by the grace and strength of God. Also, the demand of my huge loan payment monthy. The gum pain, nerve pain, constant intense throbbing finally subsided less than a month ago. I still get a lot of throbbing at my implant sites, but I continue to hope it's just the osseointegration that I'm feeling.
I went in weekly describing my pain and concerns and was ignored and told 'its normal". They refused to do any scans, check my stitches that never dissolved, I had to nicely demand the remove them after about a month in half because they were all untied and hanging out of my temp but also lodged underneath it.
I have almost ZERO ability to clean in between the acrylic temp and my gums. One side has space the other is smashed into my gums. Totally uneven. It even feels completely unbalanced in my mouth and moves and makes loud clicking noises. I've timed the amount of time I am cleaning and water flossing in a single day and it typically is about an hour total. Yet my mouth tastes terrible all the time. I can feel food lodged between that I'm not able to get out. I've told the dentist this every single time and I'm ignored.
I have so many questions and concerns regarding this whole experience, but most importantly is this:
Next week I start gettting fitted for my permanent teeth. I feel so insecure in my knowledge of how this is supposed to look, fit, and feel. I dont know how to properly advocate for myself and care. I always trust the experts. I'm not a dentist, they are. But I dont trust mine. He has mislead me on many things, gets angry if I say i don't want or like something. For example my current and only temp just simply doesn't fit. It looks ridiculous. I'm not the only person wo has expressed this. My entire family has said the same things. But he refused to even discuss a differnt temp that I have had to wear for months. I explained it not even the aesthetic that I can't deal with its the fit and feel. He was clearly annoyed and told me he's not making another. Mind you he prints these in office with a 3d printer. When I had something almost pertruding through my gums in the front of an implant site he wouldn't do a scan. They finally agreed to do it at my next appointment, only because it's time anyway since this would be my first scheduled "pre op" appointment. If I hadn't been there by request weekly the first two months this would've been the only time I was seen or checked in this whole process.
My screws have fallen out and been replaced. Each time this happened I asked if they would please just check underneath for trapped food and I was told No every time. With no explanation. Is this normal?!!? I truly don't know. But it doesn't feel normal or right. I paid 20k for this. I feel like I've been scammed in way.
If anyone at all could give me ANY info or advice I would be so grateful. I can elaborate more on anything needed I just don't want to ramble and complain. I just wanted my smile back and the ability to eat. Im down to 94 pounds. Eating is barely possible. They didn't tell me anything about my diet restrictions until after the implants were in. I totally get why it would be soft foods only, but I don't understand why they wouldn't tell me things like this at my consult. It's one of the many things that I feel was ignored and left out when discussing this treatment option for me.
One final thing. While adjusting my bite one day he was filing down the implants in the back. I must note that my bottom teeth aren't in great condition but I'm taking great care of them until I can afford to have them done as well. Without any warning the dentist starting filling down MY natural bottom teeth. Not just a little, noticiably even to they eye. I made many noises and waved my hands trying to get him to stop. He continued until I got loud and was pulling my head away. He removed he his hands from my mouth clearly annoyed with me. I asked "are you filing my bottom teeth?!?!' His response- "they're bad anyway". He knows that i can't afford to fix them right now. We discussed this many times. Needless to say, I left in a complete panic attack. Why was that necessary?? Or even an option to him. I now understand dental work and standards are different all over the world. I had zero issues with the ethnicity of who provided my care. But after further research I've seen many things about dental work in India and how brutal it can be. I'm truly don't mean this in a bad way. It's just what I've read in my many hours of research on the topic.
Dentists, assistants, anyone with knowledge or experience. PLEASE any info would be so helpful to me.
Please and thank you again. Sorry for the long post. This truly is the abridged version of this story sadly. I'm just read for this to be over. But I just need the results to be worth the 20k and the trauma.

I'm going to try to keep this short, but also give enough information for analysis and advice. Feb. 20, 2024 I underwent the All-on-4 procedure for my top arch. I'm a 29-year-old female battling with chronic illness my entire life. That, paired with other factors, has caused massive tooth decay in my mouth starting very early. I have some fears regarding dental work related to a bad experience having my wisdom teeth & "12 y/o molars" being removed at 15. But I got over it and sought the treatment. Open and willing to do whatever was needed to get my smile back and be able to eat normally. I've lost over 30 pounds in the last year, and I'm basically malnourished at this point.
I went to an implant clinic local to me and financed a 20k loan for just my top arch. Thats all I can afford right now. This whole experience has been SO traumatic for me.
From being fully awake through the whole process, after I was promised that between the night before meds and morning anxiety medication along with nitrous that I would be totally out. The meds were never called into the pharmacy. I was told me they would only be available the night before for pick up. When they weren't found at any pharmacy in town , I called and their office was closed already. Nobody answered the after-hours line. So I just had to show up at 7am for my procedure without having taken them. I let them know and they told me that the nitrous should still knock me out. Which i believed to be true, past dental work with it would have me knocked out!
But I sobbed and cried and prayed for almost 6 hours while they extracted 14 teeth, it wasn't quick or easy at all, then they placed my implants. 5 of them.
All of my care has been from different providers at the same office. The dentist who I was told would be taking care of my entire process did my numbing shots then left. Someone I didn't know took over. I've never seen her in the office since that day. This has happened almost every follow up.
My pain for the first month was truly unbearable. I work 45 hours a week and they promised me I would be totally fine to work. I wasn't. I did still work without missing a single day, but that was by the grace and strength of God. Also, the demand of my huge loan payment monthy. The gum pain, nerve pain, constant intense throbbing finally subsided less than a month ago. I still get a lot of throbbing at my implant sites, but I continue to hope it's just the osseointegration that I'm feeling.
I went in weekly describing my pain and concerns and was ignored and told 'its normal". They refused to do any scans, check my stitches that never dissolved, I had to nicely demand the remove them after about a month in half because they were all untied and hanging out of my temp but also lodged underneath it.
I have almost ZERO ability to clean in between the acrylic temp and my gums. One side has space the other is smashed into my gums. Totally uneven. It even feels completely unbalanced in my mouth and moves and makes loud clicking noises. I've timed the amount of time I am cleaning and water flossing in a single day and it typically is about an hour total. Yet my mouth tastes terrible all the time. I can feel food lodged between that I'm not able to get out. I've told the dentist this every single time and I'm ignored.
I have so many questions and concerns regarding this whole experience, but most importantly is this:
Next week I start gettting fitted for my permanent teeth. I feel so insecure in my knowledge of how this is supposed to look, fit, and feel. I dont know how to properly advocate for myself and care. I always trust the experts. I'm not a dentist, they are. But I dont trust mine. He has mislead me on many things, gets angry if I say i don't want or like something. For example my current and only temp just simply doesn't fit. It looks ridiculous. I'm not the only person wo has expressed this. My entire family has said the same things. But he refused to even discuss a differnt temp that I have had to wear for months. I explained it not even the aesthetic that I can't deal with its the fit and feel. He was clearly annoyed and told me he's not making another. Mind you he prints these in office with a 3d printer. When I had something almost pertruding through my gums in the front of an implant site he wouldn't do a scan. They finally agreed to do it at my next appointment, only because it's time anyway since this would be my first scheduled "pre op" appointment. If I hadn't been there by request weekly the first two months this would've been the only time I was seen or checked in this whole process.
My screws have fallen out and been replaced. Each time this happened I asked if they would please just check underneath for trapped food and I was told No every time. With no explanation. Is this normal?!!? I truly don't know. But it doesn't feel normal or right. I paid 20k for this. I feel like I've been scammed in way.
If anyone at all could give me ANY info or advice I would be so grateful. I can elaborate more on anything needed I just don't want to ramble and complain. I just wanted my smile back and the ability to eat. Im down to 94 pounds. Eating is barely possible. They didn't tell me anything about my diet restrictions until after the implants were in. I totally get why it would be soft foods only, but I don't understand why they wouldn't tell me things like this at my consult. It's one of the many things that I feel was ignored and left out when discussing this treatment option for me.
One final thing. While adjusting my bite one day he was filing down the implants in the back. I must note that my bottom teeth aren't in great condition but I'm taking great care of them until I can afford to have them done as well. Without any warning the dentist starting filling down MY natural bottom teeth. Not just a little, noticiably even to they eye. I made many noises and waved my hands trying to get him to stop. He continued until I got loud and was pulling my head away. He removed he his hands from my mouth clearly annoyed with me. I asked "are you filing my bottom teeth?!?!' His response- "they're bad anyway". He knows that i can't afford to fix them right now. We discussed this many times. Needless to say, I left in a complete panic attack. Why was that necessary?? Or even an option to him. I now understand dental work and standards are different all over the world. I had zero issues with the ethnicity of who provided my care. But after further research I've seen many things about dental work in India and how brutal it can be. I'm truly don't mean this in a bad way. It's just what I've read in my many hours of research on the topic.
Dentists, assistants, anyone with knowledge or experience. PLEASE any info would be so helpful to me.
Please and thank you again. Sorry for the long post. This truly is the abridged version of this story sadly. I'm just read for this to be over. But I just need the results to be worth the 20k and the trauma.
edit: I don't smoke or drink at all. I can add pictures upon request and hopefully will be receiving copies of my x-rays this week. Several requests have been made by me to the office for them but I still haven't received them yet.

Hi everyone!
I had top surgery in London with Victoria Rose on 18/03 and I thought I’d breakdown how it went for people considering her!
I first got in touch with Victoria Rose’s office in August 2023 and immediately got a date for a consultation in November. She asked for 2 references for surgery but I got away with just one because I went for a psych referral from Dr. Kirpal Sahota who works with her apparently? I have a friend who got a referral letter from Dr. Lorimer and another one from their GP so I guess that’s an option as well. The wording was “Miss Rose requires a referral letter from a recognised gender clinic, usually with a 2 signature referral, one of which has to be a consultation psychiatrist, although she will accept single signature referrals if she has worked with the referrer before.“
The consultation with Dr. Sahota was £450 - which I had to settle entirely about 2 weeks before my consult with her. I first got in touch with her in August 2023, her office got back to me immediately but didn’t offer a specific date - they got back to me in September with a date for October. The consult itself was a video consult and from what I remember I was asked to explain my whole history with gender, mental health, family, sex, chest-related dysphoria, how long I wanted that surgery, how I was feeling on T… All the questions, some really intrusive ngl. I had read beforehand on Reddit that Dr. Sahota is not particularly understanding with non-binary people (which I am) so I very much toned down the whole genderfuck aspects of me and went for a full hyper masculine narrative which worked wonders… She was very happy to give me the piece of paper I needed. I don’t really want to get into more details on what I said publicly but if anyone wants to get in touch directly about it don’t hesitate!
The consultation with Victoria Rose was £250, which I paid for a couple of weeks before it happened. It took place at the Nuffield Parkside Hospital in Wimbledon (where the actual surgery took place too!). Victoria Rose is a very energetic friendly person, she went over a bunch of the same questions that Dr. Sahota did - gender history mostly, feelings about chest, testosterone - but in a much less invasive way, she made it sound like more of a formality. Then I showed her my chest. She had a look and a squeeze (eh that’s what we were here for you know) and said there was a bit too much overhang for peri (which I was expecting anyways and I had already made my mind up to get DI). I brought up that another surgeon said I had a lot of fat around the top of my chest, she had a look and said we could do a bit of lipo around my armpits to harmonise the results. She then showed me plenty of her results. They all looked really good - she is able to do so many different scar shapes (from almost right angle to rounded scars). She really emphasised that she wanted to fit to the patient’s aesthetic goals as much as possible. Nipples looked all sorts on the weird-to-great scale, as it tends to be the case. For nipples she offers:

• no nips
  
• nipple grafts (from her document: full thickness grafts – these have dressings stitched over them for the first week. They are showerproof so you can shower during this period, but do not soak them in a bath/swimming pool/sea. This dressing is then removed by our specialist nurses at Parkside Hospital and further dressings are normally needed for 1-2 weeks. You will be given these and instructions on how to apply them by our nurses. Nipple grafts can vary in colour, shape, size and position. They are normally insensate and the nipple bud will be flatter. Very rarely they can fail and a residual scar is left that may require further reconstructive surgery or a tattoo.)
  
• nipple pedicle (from her document: in this technique the nipple is left attached on a small amount of breast tissue and button holed through the skin into its new position. This technique sometimes preserves some sensation. Dressings are not stitched on. You will need to come to see the nurses at Parkside at 1 week for a wound check. The nipple tends to be more uniform in colour and shape but the nipple bud size cannot be altered. The nipple can also fail in this technique if it does not receive adequate blood supply. It then heals as a scar which may require further surgery. In this technique the breast tissue the nipple is left attached to may produce a visible bulge in the lower pole of the breast. This may need to “debulked” in a second operation.)
  

I decided for the nipple pedicle because I wanted to get the best chances to get some sensation back and I want a bit of a nipple bud to pierce later! She did assure me that I could change my mind about this, even on the day of the surgery… She also encouraged me to bring pictures of top surgery results that I liked on the day of the operation. And that was it! In an out of the consultation within half and hour, though she did answer all my questions. I would advise arriving with questions ready because she does not linger so it’s useful to have everything at hand!
After that I received documentation from her office reiterating everything, consent forms etc. and maybe a week later her her office sent me a date for the operation - in March 2024! I had to send in a £750 deposit. Between November and March I had a very short zoom call with Miss Rose where we went over the same things we did on the consult - felt like she was double checking that I knew what I was getting in for. I had some questions about recovery which she did not know how to answer and she invited me to ask her specialist nurses). A week later I had another zoom call with nurse Sandie… I was really taken aback because she asked me a bunch of questions about my gender; and dysphoria and everything which I am pretty angry about. I did not expect it so I kind of dissociated for the rest of the consult and got it to finish as fast as possible. But I seem to remember we went over some recovery stuff, she sent me the link to buy the post op binder, etc.
I had one final pre-op assessment in the Parkside clinic in Putney with some of the nurses from her service. They did a blood test, asked me questions about my health and waked me through was was going to happen on the day of the surgery.
Worth mentioning as well that my zoom call with Dr. Rose was rescheduled to a week earlier than previously planned; and that my top surgery date moved from the 12/03 to the 19/03 (with months notice) to the 18/03 (with weeks notice) - just so people are aware that it can happen! Also: her admin staff are super helpful, polite and responsive through email and through phone. Which is good because there was a lot of emails and I got confused a bunch of times.
On the day of the surgery I had to stop eating before 7am and stop drinking before 11am, which was also the time I was asked to arrive at the Parkside Nuffield in Wimbledon. I got shown into my room, and asked to chose my dinner for that night (they actually have a full menu it’s madness). Then I watched TV for hours with the friend who came with me. Got a visit from the nurse and from the anaesthetist, then from the surgeon herself who ironed out the last details with me. Everybody got me signing consent forms left right and centre. Then I waited some more (turns out she did 2 surgeries before me that day). Then at 5pm right when I was starting to turn crazy with anticipation and hunger nurses come in and we walk to a little room downstairs. I got cannulated in my left hand, and next thing I know I wake up boobless (and crying?, apparently that’s really common with anesthesia) around 9:30pm.
I spent the night at the hospital with drains in, a nurse came in to check my blood pressure every couple of hours and help me to the bathroom, I was very numb from the anaesthesia. I only had a paracetamol drip through the night and a couple of ibuprofens. Absolutely no pain! Very confusing night though but the hardest part wait waiting to get food (around midnight - the nurse said I had to wait to avoid nausea, and to be fair I did not feel nauseous at any point so I’m grateful for that!). The next day, Victoria Rose came in to check on me and change my nipple dressings. Then the nurses removed my drains and canulation I felt fine and everything seemed to be going all good so my friend drove me home that day!
Recovery-wise I haven’t been given much tips - I got operated on the Monday eve and I was told to stay without a binder until the Friday to avoid compressing the nipples right away. All my bandages from the surgery stayed on until my 1 week post op appointment (they changed the nipple dressing) and at 3 week post op they removed the surgical tape on the incisions. I feel like I’ve had the easiest recovery tbh, which is probably due to a mix of surgeon skills and my own genetics/health (I’m able bodied, no medical issues whatsoever, and 28 years old). I was able to move my arms loads right away, I had loads of energy, didn’t need any painkillers after the operation. My nipples never looked scary at all and I’ve had a bit of swelling but not even that much.
One spot on my incision bled for like a week but that’s it, and I had some surgical dissolvable staples resurface at week 5 which was a little bit scary. I was meant to wear a binder for 6 weeks but I stopped at week 5 because it was hurting my back too much, and I could tell that I was mostly fine swelling wise.
I'm 7 weeks post op and very happy! I'm really happy with how my results look (I posted pics in another sub if you're interested). Still a tiny bit swollen but not even that much, and I can feel everywhere in my chest apart from my nipples for now!
Cost breakdown:
Consultation with Dr. Sahota £450
Victoria Roses’ consultation £250
Victoria Roses’ fees £5000
Hospital stay fees £4600
Anesthetist £1000
Blood tests from the hospital £182

hello! sharing my story because it was *super* encouraging reading other positive stories during my recovery. firstly, I am 21F. i had my tonsils removed because they were very large after I had covid in the summer of '23. sometimes they caused me pain and sometimes they didn't. they were always uncomfortable, just got used to it. i was def questioning whether or not I needed the surgery because my situation wasn't exactly dire. now that I'm 25 days post op, I'm relieved I got the surgery done sooner rather than later.
day 1 (surgery day) - I had my surgery in the morning, so I'm counting it as day 1. this was the worst day for me. surgery was a breeze. , got adenoids out too. was given liquid hydrocodone at the surgery center. was prescribed oxy and tylenol for the pain. i absolutely could not handle the oxy. i felt too nauseous to eat anything. threw up twice, slept, woke up for a drinking alarm at midnight and pretty much instantly threw up two more times. this def freaked me out, a lot. i had a moment of regret during these hours. my stomach is typically pretty strong. before this surgery the last time I had thrown up was in 2021. so I think that says something. i was worried that throwing up would cause for hemoraging- my biggest fear throughout the healing process.
i stopped taking oxy after day 1. took tylenol only and drank ice water CONSTANTLY. i had an alarm *every* hour throughout the night to remind myself to drink water. the most physical activity I did each day (day 3-6) was a ten minute walk outside.
days 2-6 - i started trying to talk on day 3 because i heard the sooner the better. it hurt to talk a lot. but i did it whenever i could. i was eating barely anything because most things were uncomfortable and a hassle. cold things were preferred here. smoothies with peanut butter, banana & plain yogurt were good for a bit, til bananas started to suddenly burn my throat terribly. could not handle applesauce at all. a lot of popsicles. scrambled eggs were uncomfortable but worth it because they actually made me somewhat full. ramen the same.
day 7 was when things started to look up. i remember i kept trying to make certain things to eat because i was so hungry, but i would try and it would fail over and over again. tried making tofu... i was able to eat it, but it made me burp a lot so i had to stop. tried making ramen, again, kept bothering my throat. oatmeal, which was good before, was now awful. i was losing hope on a meal, until i had the sudden glimmer of hope in a pasta side (those cheap half premade sodium filled things). That pasta side was the best thing. Ever. i was somehow able to eat ALL OF IT. and boy did i. i continued to opt for pasta sides and pasta dishes for the rest of recovery.
day 8-10 was taking 30 min walks each day. talking more but it was def still uncomfortable/sometimes painful. hurt to laugh, tried to not laugh as much as i could. definitely did laugh at times. extremely concerned about hemmoraging. i never looked at my mouth to see the scabs, hurt too much to open my mouth and i was also afraid i would make matters worse by doing so. i never felt any scabs come off. they must've dissolved. i continued to drink insane amounts of ice water and barely sleep throughout the nights because i was so worried. thankfully my dad was taking care of me throughout recovery so i didn't really have to worry about being tired throughout the day, because, well, there was nothing for me to do except rest.
day 10- post op appointment. dr looked at my scabs and told me they look normal and my uvula is still swollen, which i had no idea about. seriously felt no discomfort there.
day 12- went out into the world for a concert. Yep. i had already bought my ticket months ago and decided it was worth going to because of how easy of a concert experience it was. it was an outdoor venue, sat on the lawn with two of my friends, we saw the opening act (the only one we wanted to see, i know, strange) and then left. we were probably there for an hour and a half total. i did accidentally shout once, but to my surprise it didn't cause any pain. i was certainly more tired than i expected to be from the whole experience. like, really tired.
day 15- went out into the world again. got my hair done. felt SUPER dehydrated after not constantly drinking water for two hours.
day 16- i would say i was 75% normal now. i went to a friends house to prepare for the next FOUR DAY music festival. slept through the night with no alarms for the first time since surgery, it was amazing.
day 17- music festival all day (we camped too). i danced and jumped around for probably 6 hours straight. i had alcohol- just one twisted tea, which was all i needed. was able to talk completely normally with no pain. was able to sing as well. was able to shout, laugh, ate a beautiful peanut butter sandwich (first time having bread since surgery).
day 18- i was super tired throughout the day because of lack of sleep from previous night. danced a bit too hard and started to suddenly feel nauseous/overheated. was super worried i was going to have a sudden hemmorage, felt really silly for not exactly taking it easy. i did not have any alcohol. considered going home, but i found ice and chomped it down and slept early instead.
day 21- went back to work. i work 13 hour days where I'm on my feet constantly, so I'm glad i took time before going back.
yes this was a super long recovery story, but these are the posts that allowed me to sleep while i was on day 7-12. so i'm hoping this will help someone else out there in need for a good story!
random notes:
i had no problem brushing my teeth (i read that others had issues)
the weird smell from my scabs was gone by day 7. never really bothered me too much either.
yes it was painful when i would wake up from my alarm to drink water, but after a couple gulps the pain would go away. i think because of how cold the water was, it almost had a numbing affect.
i stopped taking tylenol completely by day 10.
tongue was numb until day 12 or 14.
was able to speak full sentences beginning day 5 or 6.
for me, the pain was honestly never that bad. i don't think anything ever came close to the discomfort/miserableness i felt on day 1 after throwing up so much.
pancakes were AMAZING. had pancakes on day 6 and they probably changed my life because of how good and easy to eat they were. dipping the pancakes in honey was perfect. i ate pancakes every single day from day 6-12. Not kidding.
i lost 6 pounds from recovery lol.... prob all back now tbh
right after the surgery I stopped snoring, stopped sleeping w my mouth open. also, i frequently have sleep paralysis episodes. before surgery it would be especially scary because i always felt like i couldn't breathe during these episodes. but now, since surgery, i had sleep paralysis recently and i could breathe just fine throughout it. a lot less scary when you can breathe.
pasta was also super easy to eat, surprisingly.
welp that's all i got. ketchup still burns my throat lol. let me know if you have any questions at all.

This was originally posted by midesaka little over a year ago. I noticed since then that there was an update that never got included in the original post. Only found it myself today scrolling back. Figured people today would enjoy it. I also need to credit Direct-Caterpillar77 for linking it in the megathread which is how I stumbled upon this.
OOP is OBlondeOne. I am not OOP. Reminder do not message or contact them, or comment in the linked posts below.
I've taken the text from the Original BORU. The new update is after 🔴🔴🔴
trigger warnings: verbal abuse, gaslighting, drug use
Original BORU
OOP delivers donated clothing to displaced fire victims. Woman demands coat OOP is wearing instead, then claims OOP threw donated clothing in ditch.
I am NOT OP. Original post by in on Sunday, February 26, 2023, with updates as comments on original post through Saturday, March 4, 2023.
Some people... - Sunday, February 26, 2023
[NOTE: I have added a couple of clarifying words in brackets to reduce quoting.]
I'm part of a local donation group, so every now and then, I get asked to help with clothes donations. Someone passes away or downsizes, and I will help wash, fold, sort, and deliver the clothes to various free stores. Sometimes, if we are notified of someone in the community in need, we will deliver essentials like winter or kids clothing to their house. We're just a group within the community -there is no religious, political or ulterior motive. We just spread extra through the community as needed as discreetly as possible to help out. This particular situation just hurts my head, and I'm still trying to figure out how it escalated the way it did.
So a few days ago there was a fire in our community which left 3 families displaced. We collected what we could in the sizes they needed, and off we went.
We dont ask for anything in return other than knowing the families are a little better off. We always apologize and explain that while they may not be they styles they're accustomed to ( as donated clothing ) but at least it is clean and warm. If they had specific needs to let a member of the group know and we would do what we can. A lot of our collected items belonged to other families whose children outgrew the items. It's anonymous and it's a way for our more comfortable community members to help out others within the community with this. It's one thing I love about my community - people don't hesitate to help where needed.
I was given an address and head out as usual. Pull in, get the bags and coats to the door and knock.
After that... I'm not sure what to think. It started off as it usually does. There was a mother and 3 children, so I explain that there are 3 bags of clothing in the sizes submitted, and a box of age appropriate toys just like with the other families.
I thought I heard wrong when she said she preferred my coat and just said what?
She called me rude and told me again,' This stuff is OK, but I want the coat you're wearing '.
When I told her, "No, I'm sorry, but I just bought this coat she got angry and accused me of picking through donation bags for "the good stuff."
I've never run into this issue before. None of the group members are well off. In fact, that's why we do what we do. Because life is hard here and we believe in sharing what we have as a community. We collect good quality items from those with extra and distribute it freely to those that need it or have specific needs. Sometimes we all take items from our own closets if they're needed more elsewhere. Last year we raised funds to help purchase a wheelchair accessible vehicle for a family. The year before it was a young family whose matriarch was diagnosed with terminal cancer. This years cause is to build 4 'tiny homes' for the homeless in our community to use as needed. Our goal is to provide stability so they can successfully reintegrate during and after addiction rehabilitation. We all do what we can to try to help, basically. It's a hard world to feel alone in.
Now, my coat is expensive ( $250 ) but I've also saved gift cards for 2 years and anxiously watched for post-season sales before finally taking the plunge and got it for 75% off. Maybe I messed up by wearing it on this errand? I don't know. After I said no, this is my coat a second time, she started yelling at me.
I just left the bags on the doorstep and drove away.
Today I wake up to a slew of texts from the group asking me to explain why I refused to give the mother any winter coats, and why I left everything at the end of the driveway... allegedly in a ditch? They aren't questioning. Most are downright accusatory. Some are just borderline mean.
It's the kind of day where I feel like giving up on this making the world a better place thing.
I've been where these families are. And people helped me just like this. I know what it feels like to rely on others... so I do try to be compassionate and understanding without being condescending or pitying. I don't often talk about what I do because nobody needs to know what came from where, or who is getting what. It's just paying it forward. I do this because it's been done for me, and it's the right thing to do. It's that simple.
But after today... I don't even want to reply to anyone. It's not just that woman. It's the texts that are getting kinda nasty at this point. It's these people obviously talking about me behind my back. It's how quick they were to assume I must have done this.
I'm not sure if I want to do this anymore after all this. I've been part of this for 5 years and have never had a complaint before. I feel betrayed by people I thought were my friends. It just all feels gross, dramatic and depressing now, and that's now how this is supposed to feel.
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I could understand if this was, like, a fancy fur coat or something.
This is literally just a rather plain looking long coat that happens to be super warm.
I don't get it.

It's only been an official group with a board for about 4 months. But we have been doing this for 5 years now as a project of mine and the current board president that gathered consiserable traction and volunteers/funding as time went on.
They so need policies in place. If only to protect the clients that use the service. But as a new board we are all just learning the official ropes and red tape as we go.
The one person I thought I could count on is currently the one insisting this happened as the client describes.
I'm just so confused.

We did need a board in this case as we are partially federally funded- the community pantry is, anyways.
It's a requirement. Unfortunately.

I've had 1 out of 5 [members of the charity group] text asking if I'm ok, and what happened. The rest seem to believe that I did this.
I don't know how to move on from this. Because the truth will come out eventually in a community this small. It always does.
The question now is do I want to be involved with people like this. I don't think I can trust them after this.
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Maybe take a breather from the group. The way they treated you is horrible.

The issue is I can't avoid them either. I'm going to have to answer eventually, either via text or in person.
The longer I wait, the worse it will be. I know that. But I just don't want to deal with this either. Small community. The truth will come out eventually.
But it's now obvious that I can't trust these people. No matter what's said after this, the damage has been done.

Update:
As suggested, I did text them as a group in bullet form stating facts only. ( edit: sorry for formatting. Copied from text ,)
'

1. Items were carried to front door as per usual
2. Client requested my personal attire
3. Client accused me of theft from donation bags
4. Client verbally abused me
5. I left the following on Client's doorstep : ½ bag of women's clothing sizes m-l : 1+½ bag children's clothing sizes 3-8 : 1x bag of assorted linens & towels : 1x box of assorted children's toys and books

I am trying very hard to understand the context of some of the messages I've received about this, and am truly confused as to why anyone would think I would purposefully degrade a Client. You all know my history and reasons I participate.
As I feel I no longer have a place of trust within our group, I am formally resigning from my roles within the committee, and the (group)
I will, with your blessing, remain on the Helping Tree as a contact'
So far the replies are very interesting. They range from apologetic to accusatory to narcissistic. The most interesting one so far, I think, was not intended for me and insinuated that this was for the best. I can't believe how naive I've been.
There's an emergency meeting being scheduled for next week, as apparently you're not just allowed to resign mid-term from a board like this without a valid reason. Which I think I have.
The benefit of this is my accuser also has to give an official statement in the meeting minutes because ive resigned. Which I'm allowed to attend and comment on. Which adds validity ti my reasons for resigning. Would it be petty if I wore my coat again, or should I choose something older? Genuinely asking. I don't want to make things worse. I just want out to do my own thing.
Rumors are already starting and seem to be in my favor. Small towns are terrific/terrible for that. And I've just been texted asking me to withdraw my resignation ' for fear this may cause an irreparable rift in our charitable group'.
I have 8 months left to my current term as Secretary. A position that requires the trust of the board members to record accurate notes. Which I no longer feel I have. I don't want my character unfairly questioned again after I've worked so damn hard to build it up.
My resignation was intended to prevent drama and divide. It is doing the opposite.
What would you do? I feel like I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't.

Not allowed to resign? What are they going to do, ground you?

With a formal board, there are steps to take to remove a member of the core board ( pres, vice president, secretary, treasurer, committee heads).
Or so I'm being told. This may be a stall tactic. I'm going over the current bylaws and policies but it's small font and a hard read.

I'm surprised/touched by how many clients are defending me, but I think this is what is causing a lot of drama and distrust both within the organization and with those that use it. Which is exactly what I was trying to avoid by quietly resigning.
It just sucks, for lack of a better word. I feel like the religious have it wrong. It's not judge not lest ye be judged. It's just be judged these days.

Going forward, it needs to be mandatory that there be two delivery people on every delivery. No excuses. There will be people in the future that are in dire need of your group's services. Please do not let that woman's behavior stop you from helping those who appreciate your work. And bonus if the other helper has a phone's camera on . You have documentation, and they grow manners if they didn't already have them. Has anyone gone by the house again to see if there was really a ditch??

Oh my...
My dash cam! I'm going to check it.
Thank you! Thank you so much!

No audio. No clear AHA! moment.
But it does show enough.
It shows me pulling in, and that there's nothing on the porch. It shows the car moving slightly as I take the bags out, and it does show a bag being deposited on the porch as well as at least 2 coats/snowsuits.
As I back out you can almost see the whole porch. You do see her outside but the definition isn't good enough to see her face or what she's doing.
I'm also still not sure what proof-if any-has been submitted by my accuser(s).
Who, I'm told, has been dropped from the Helping Tree community pantry registry.
I'm actually starting to get very angry. That woman messed up. But she has 3 kids under her care that deserve to eat and be clothed. This is going way too far.

Update:
Ungrateful client is board presidents former sister in law.
And yes, they're still friendly.
Ah. Small towns... 🤷‍♀️
I can't wait for next week...

I KNEW IT! This whole fiasco smelled strongly of being COMPLETELY orchestrated! Typical small town intrigue and power struggle when there's only ONE that's struggling for the power! President wants you kicked out because you're a CO-FOUNDER and SHE wants to take ALL the accolades and applause from the community! Go get your reputation back, sweet Lady! You ARE needed and necessary to the community, if you weren't, you wouldn't have been doing this charitable work for FIVE years! FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!!!

I'm trying to figure out how to walk away, but still acknowledge what's going on without hurting the board-they do good work that's needed. I can't torpedo that no matter how I feel.
And that's the problem.
I think I'm going to ask for an official board inquest -which is eithin my rights according to our by-laws - before I go. I can't see someone doing this over reputation or clout. I certainly hope not, anyways. But if the inquest finds this was planned ( who tf does this? ) I would have grounds to have the board President removed. It's not pettiness- I don't want to see this done to someone else.
But you're right. Something stinks here and it gets worse by the day. I'm going to look into [comment ends here]

I'm going to submit a statement to the board, with footage from my dash cam that shows at least 1 bag clearly on the porch.
Unfortunately, I forgot to itemize the coat/3 snowsuits & boots dropped off in my group text, so I do have to justify that one somehow.
I also just heard they dropped off another 3 bags to the woman, including winter gear. I think it's an attempt at damage control, but I also think they're moving in the wrong direction, given what I'm hearing from many.
If she tries to sell the excess, like many seem to think she will, this will all come to a head so much faster. Either way, I'm ironically the least invested in this around here at this point.
Small town drama ...

I admit, looking back, it is odd that I was given this client when others were closer. I had thought it may be because of scheduling conflicts but I'm finding that's not the case either
Interestingly, there are rumors going around that this was staged. I'm trying not to pay attention to rumors without proof but I'm starting to wonder....
I hate this with a passion. It all seems so damn stupid.
I'm still so confused. The meeting has been scheduled for Wednesday night ( 2 days time ).
I haven't decided if I'm going yet. I don't want this drama to derail what has been a good thing so far.
I may just submit my statement and resignation and leave it at that. Popular opinion is on my side so why make it worse?

I agree with this so much!! People have had to do that here in my town too. We have small groups that helps out the community that aren't in any organization or charitable groups, just themselves giving back. We had specific residents in town that were running their mouth and taking "donations" and selling them for money. Eventually these residents were burning through different community groups and established organizations and they would complain about each one saying they weren't helping and deliberately causing trouble. These groups did post on Facebook telling their sides of the situation, just like you suggested. Well those residents kept doing this and blaming people for not helping, blah blah blah. It didn't take long for the rest of the town to realize that these specific residents were pulling these scams and they were booted out of all the community groups in town. Sometimes you do have to stand up and tell your side to the community. Eventually the truth will come out.

You are brilliant!
After reading this I started thinking about other groups that this woman may have been a part of at her previous location.
Well. WELL.
I now have 4 witnesses to past behavior willing to come with me Wednesday from 3! groups that have been similarly burned by this woman.
The question is.. do I want to take it that far?
I do- and I don't.
I feel this has taken up far more valuable time, and it's taking away from the original purpose of the group.
I'm also being asked to submit my name for board president by the majority of the board for the upcoming term. So I'm being supported ( now ).
I still don't trust any of them to have my back should anything happen. And if I replace the Pres shit will happen.

[Comment was deleted, but basically said, "Wear your coat to the meeting, and bring the receipt for it!"]

I don't think I need to bring the receipt. They are all aware of when I got my coat, and what I paid for it.
I'm being told there are 2 board members who seem to think I'm blowing this out of proportion ( Pres and Treasurer ) and should just take the reprimand ' maturely'.
When ( if ) I go in Wednesday I'm just going to tell then simply that I feel I no longer have the trust required for my appointed position, and am respectfully resigning to prevent further drama.
Pass in my official resignation and walk away.
I've also discovered the emergency meeting is to consider 3 resignations-not just mine.

OP, defend yourself!!! There’s something fishy about this. Also, call CPS (anonymously?) and report her for being unstable.

No. I won't be petty and call CPS
Those kids don't deserve to be dragged into this, too.
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Maybe you should start your own group with people you can trust?

I've actually been thinking of a fringe group for more rural locations that don't fall.within community boundaries.
This may just be divine intervention in disguise.

Update. The meeting.
My apologies This will be long.
As I parked, there were a couple that stopped to say hi, but the majority of the board did not acknowledge me. My accuser though.. she had a great laugh at my expense, and literally taunted me in front of the others on the way in. 'ooh here for more, are you? Guess you didn't get enough of me yet' and blows me a kiss.
She showed up with the Pres. I feel that's relevant. Especially seeming as she ran home.
The meeting started at 6 pm. I was not allowed to sit at the table until the issue was brought up... I sat, alone, for over 45 minutes. Finally someone peeked outside at 6:53 ( to see if I was still there? ) and called me in.
My accuser wasn't there. I say down and the first thing said to me was ' well. We may have made a mistake' followed by this big flowery apology that stank of bullshit and was gaslit better than a propane stove.
'You know that when a complaint comes in, we have to investigate it'
At that point I just exploded. Like... I didn't even talk to my kids like that when they were babies. It was the kind of tone you have when talking to the very simplest of minds.
I told them there's a massive difference between investigating and outright accusing, and that I didn't appreciate how their ineptitude at leading a board nearly derailed the whole organization and just put a really bad light on what we were doing. She says ' by unanimous decision, we've decided not to accept your resignation. Welcome back'
I've likely been this confused before, but I don't remember when. I was expecting this to be much harder. I had a factual speech ready and everything. Walked in and it was just 'we oopsied, oh well teehee'
'Well that's unfortunate that you refuse to accept it, because it's given and I'm not rescinding it. I'm out. And it seems you all know exactly why. For those who have reached out to me- I'll consider your offer of leading this board, but at this time, I'm not comfortable with the lack of trust and transparency I'm seeing. ' and left.
My phone has been blowing up all night. I meant to update immediately but it just kept ringing and tinging. I don't even know how so many found out ( good old gossip is my guess ) but I had over 30 calls and just as many texts/social media messages.
So. What hspprned while i was waiting outside.
My accuser decided to get on something pre-meeting. Literally acted like a wild animal at one point. I'm told it was so bad that the police and Child Protection Services were called by 4 of 5 ladies present, and when told they were called, my accuser took off running home. That's a whole 'nother story. The kids are now safe, I'm told. There's that.
The versions I'm hearing are surprisingly similar, for once. So I'm going to tell you the events as I was told.
Pres' husband is apparently an addict. Who gets his stash from the sis in law/accuser. I'm not clear on the details but I'm told blackmail was involved. Common word says she threatened to spill the beans on hubby. You know how it goes. Get hurt, get prescription, get hooked, get cheaper street drugs because they're cheaper and no doctor regulates them/questions your dose. There's a rumor he is also sleeping with sustained in law but this is not confirmed... but has been going around for the better part of a year now. Maybe I should start listening to more rumors because I had no idea.
Accuser started off normal, if ' twitchy'. She went to the washroom and shit allegedly went sideways not long after she came out. At one point she was laying on the floor, ' slithering and grunting' like an animal'. I wish I could have seen it, but kinda glad I didn't.
When Accuser left, it swayed the remaining 2 votes my way. There was a discussion on how to ' handle' me where the Pres just said she'll follow the board on the vote after they shot down her suggestion that the complaint still be addressed. The way she glared at me when I came in ( yes, wearing my coat! ) tells me she was not happy about it either.
The vote was unanimous to keep me. I did not wish to stay after all that.
Tomorrow they have an open board meeting to tell people what happened, as transparency is ironically a promise we made to the community so they know exactly who and what they're supporting. I won't be there. But a lot of angry and confused people will be. I'm glad I'll be missing it, but I have a feeling I'll hear all about it. I'm told there will be some calling for Pres' resignation. We shall see, I guess.
I started this feeling lower than low. Tonight I'm surrounded by positivity and I feel GOOD about this decision. Is this Karma? It feels like Karma.
Steps are already being taken to form what we will call The Fringe Farm. We will collect fresh farm goods donated by local farmers and deliver to homes that need a little extra, focusing on those that live between communities and people new to rural life. Eventually I hope to offer clothing and household goods, but I need to find a source outside the community so I'm not taking from the original group.
I also have a preliminary board. Comprised of 3 of 5 members of the original board haha
I've told then they have to finish their term at the group (because they do damn good work, and it's not fair to those that need them to just walk away-hypocritical? Msybe. But i refuse to torpedo the group ). 2 still submitted resignations because they're just floored by that last meeting. Theirs was depending upon mine, so their exit meetings are being scheduled for next week. Because they no longer have a secretary to record minutes I'm being asked to. I'm also being asked to submit my name for Pres should the current one agree to resign.
I haven't decided if I will. I feel that will come across as petty, and tbh it's no longer my business.
Thank you for the encouragement. I'm not sure if I would have had the courage to attend if not for the overwhelming kindness and support shown here. By strangers. * shakes head*. You have no idea how much this meant to me when I needed it.
Thank you.

Update #2.
The open meeting was a shitshow, I'm told.
Pres was called to resign. Refused.
So the board resigned. The group is now being led by the Pres and that's it. So it's essentially dead. You need minimum 3 board members to continue as a registered charity/nonprofit. Nobody ( out of approx 50 ppl ) raised a hand when asked if they wanted to join.
The Fringe Farm, by comparison, has more volunteers than we can organize. This is the group started after you lovely folks helped me decide staying wasn't worth the trouble.
I have mixed feelings over this. One.. it's nice to feel validated. The other... I really don't like how this went down for too many reasons to count.
Our first task as a new org?
Writing an iron clad policy everyone agrees with. Including specific steps to collect, file and address complaints or concerns.
Reminder - I am not the original poster.
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Some People... ( update 2 ) Posted March 28th 2023
Update #2
The Aftermath
It's been... interesting.
The old group has dissolved. Nobody wanted to work with the pres anymore after all that. They held an emergency meeting to try to figure out why most of the board submitted their resignations and it was a shitshow of Pres accusing the remaining board members of conspiring against her, which caused the last remaining board members to also resign over time.
My new board ( Fringe Farm ) is thriving. We've taken over collection and distribution in our area and 2 others as we've merged with 2 other small groups to tap more resources.
Imagine my shock and surprise when the original offender called my Treasurer and asked to be put on the list... of course we did help her but we took the Secretary's minivan and all 7 of us went as a group. When we got there it was the former Pres husband that answered the door.
Our first task was to have an ironclad board policy that states anyone accused of wrongdoing will be spoken to privately by the pres and vice pres ( neither are me-i prefer to work behind the scenes ) prior to anything else.
I'm hearing rumors that the former board pres (P) isn't doing well. When the shit hit the fan her husband left her for sis in law and they've been ' methed up ' ever since.
I honestly feel bad for her. They have no kids and now it's just her... we are having a meeting next week and I believe we are going to invite P onto our board in a non-authority role. After hearing everything that went down afterwards... she's had to get a job and they're currently trying to sell their house amid divorce proceedings so I guess the rumor he was getting a little more than drugs from sis in law was accurate after all. Rumors say P is in massive debt thanks to her husband addiction. I don't think she should have to go through it all alone. I also think her situation was causing her an immense amount of stress and that's why everything happened as it did. She knows she messed up. There's no need to rubbing salt in her wounds.
Reflection:
This has been a very eye opening experience into how our personal lives can seriously affect our moods and actions, I think.
We never really know what someone else is going through, and why they behave the way they do. Part of me wishes I knew so I could have handled it better on my end. Part of me is still raging/hurt at how it all went down.
Hurt people hurt people. It's sad but so very true.
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Some additional comments

You are very kind to want to help someone who tried to ruin your reputation. If you ask her to join your new organization, this should be contingent on a very serious conversation about a lot of subjects. Her husband left her for a family member and drugs, and that's pretty fucked up and awful. However, that doesn't give her an excuse to take it out on someone who wasn't even remotely involved. If this kind of behavior is out of character for her, then sure, have the discussion. If this is how she always is, save yourself a major headache and just let her go. As for the SIL, she should be put on some kind of a list. Stop helping her.

OOP:
Sis in law is not being helped by our group, but I did refer her to another that has not had dealings with her yet, and gave them a heads up that this person needs help but is unstable due to 'current life choices'. She had kids who are blameless in all this that don't deserve to be left out, should she get them back.
I think I forgot to mention that she temporarily lost her kids over her animilistic outburst at the meeting? Too many witnesses and too many complaints I guess. And as her and P's husband are blowing through cash like theres no tomorrow on drugs its unlikely to resolve itself anytime soon.
( and yes, its been confirmed that at least 1 of the 3 children are P's husbands, possibly 2 )
As for P... I feel for her. I really do think all of this was a desperate control tactic because she had none in her personal life. I get it.. I think. My life, from the outside, looks perfect. Good kids, great partner, great and satisfying job, decent home & car ... and people ( seem to ) like me.
I don't want her left alone. Depression is a terrible thing, and it makes no sense to help a community while ignoring someone within it that's obviously not ok.
I will definitly proceed with caution in case P has not learned her lesson but leaving her out feels wrong.

Please forgive me for being incredibly late to these posts - I’ve just read the whole saga through (twice!) as it takes me back to a former life where my role included managing volunteers and ah, the memories this brings back! These kind of voluntary groups do amazing work (and you sound like a truly fantastic individual, OP) but it can get so messy and so cliquey and people can become very protective of their little fiefdoms. These groups are fantastic when all is going well, but once things start going wrong it can all fall apart incredibly quickly. The only way round it (as you’re doing) is to have robust and even-handed policies in place and stick to them. I know you’re not doing this for praise or thanks, but I do think you should recognise your own value and allow yourself at the very least a tiny pat on the back, not because of this situation per se, but because the speed with which you’ve established your new group and how quickly your old group fell apart without you indicates what an effective and impactful leader you are. Even if you don’t see yourself that way, it’s clearly how your community does.

OOP:
We offered one-time temporary help. Our unofficial misdion is 'we don't refuse anyone because we don't know their story'.
I also think many of our volunteers were curious/nosy and that's why we've been able to have such a large group so quickly. Sadly, I'm well aware that some help just for the gossip and we haven't been operational long enough to root those out yet to divert to positions where they can't collect potentially harmful gossip.
The second request she made ( the very next week... making her total 3x requests for clothing & food over 3 weeks just over our 2 groups ) was passed on to another group as nobody wanted to get involved, and I'm not allowed to get involved on my own ( our by-law to prevent drama: 'Once a conflict has been reported the accused is not to have any involvement with the donation or distribution of goods to the accuser.' This also serves to protect our volunteers from frivolous accusations or personal vendettas. )
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I am not the OOP. The OOP is u/WholePomegranate5342 posting in TrueOffMyChest
Concluded as per OOP
1 update - Long
Original - 13th February 2024
Update - 9th May 2024
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My Parents Tried to Screw Over My Dying StepMother, Blew Up All Of Our Lives Instead
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TLDR; My bio parents tried to screw my terminally ill stepmother out of trust fund money, but she caught on and now no one on my side of the family gets anything.
Throwaway for obvious reasons.
My (17F) stepmother "Jane" is a wonderful, wonderful woman. She and my father got married when I was 4, and she's been a rock in my life ever since. My mother was always my primary caregiver, but up until that point her relationship with my father was acrimonious and I basically never saw him. Jane was the reason they developed a stable co-parenting relationship, she encouraged everyone having a good relationship with each other and was always there to support me and my mom when things got rough.
Jane was always a really hard worker. When she met my dad, he was living out of a hotel and my mother was doing everything in her power to keep me away from him because she was petty and angry that their relationship didn't work out. Meanwhile Jane had a great job, a nice house, helped my dad get back on his feet, negotiated a visitation schedule with my mom (who hated her for a long time), and made sure my dad sent us money every week because neither one of them could afford an attorney to negotiate child support payments. Jane had no reason to do any of these things but as I got older she made it clear that she loved me as much as she loved my (half) brothers who were born a few years later. I even have my own room in her house because at the time we lived with my grandparents / various boyfriends of my mom and Jane felt that I needed a more stable environment than that. She's like the opposite of the evil stepmom.
When I was 15, Jane won a big lawsuit against an airline company and got awarded upwards of a million dollars. She used the money to build sizable trust funds for me and my brothers so that we would be taken care of later in life. Despite having a lot more money she still wanted to live a fairly modest life, so she paid off the house she has and has been living there ever since with my dad. Sure she bought a new car and they went on a few nice vacations but she didn't blow all her money on stupid things, which I respected.
About a year ago, things started getting really weird. Whenever I saw Jane she seemed to look sicker and sicker, but no one would tell me or my brothers why even though I know they knew. All we knew is that she was at the hospital a lot. Around the same time, my mom has been coming around my dad a lot more and acting really strange, basically like she was trying to romance him. Whenever Jane was in the hospital my mother would insist on spending the night at their house and playing mom to my brothers, which was so weird to me because she never liked them or Jane. She'd be the perfect little housewife and my mom is NOT like that at all. It was super fake.
Worst of all, my dad started falling for it. I'm not stupid - I'm pretty sure they were sleeping together. I tried to shield my brothers from it but they're not dumb either. I tried talking to my dad too but he insisted it wasn't like that.
Then a few weeks ago, my mom started talking about all the places she'd like to visit, how she wanted a new car and was looking to invest... which is weird because my mom has been a bartender her whole life and has lived paycheck to paycheck since before I was born. She was acting like she was about to get a lot of money, which started to make me really suspicious. Between Jane being sick and my mom acting all nouveau riche, I had a lot of questions.
Finally I decided to visit Jane in the hospital and ask her about my trust fund. I found out that if anything happened to her, that my dad would inherit all the money including full control of the trusts for me and my brothers. She asked me why I was so interested in the trust fund so I told her what's going on with my parents and how my mom has been acting with my dad. I didn't want to but after everything she did for me, she deserved the truth. It really hurt me to break her heart like that, especially once I found out that she was basically in hospice at this point because of irreversible kidney failure. She's only got a few more months. We both cried so much.
Then, two days ago everything came to a head. My mom stormed in furious and started arguing with my dad. Apparently Jane met with her lawyer and changed the trust so that my dad would get nothing and all of the trusts would be controlled by my step-aunt. She demanded to know how Jane found out about their relationship and I came out and told them that I told Jane everything. I told them that if they wanted to play stupid games they would win stupid prizes and that I wasn't going to let them screw Jane over after all the help she gave my family when she didn't have to.
My mom slapped me and my dad just looked so defeated. Then my mom told my dad that she didn't really love him, that she was just pretending to so he would marry her and she could get all of the money. The worst part about it is that my brothers witnessed the whole thing and now on top of their mom dying they have to deal with a cheating dad and his vindictive ex. Our whole family is in ruins and I feel like it's my fault even though I know it's not.
Yesterday I visited Jane again and told her about the fallout. She apologized and said that she had to dissolve my trust fund to make sure my mother didn't get a hold of the money, but that as "her oldest" I will inherit the house/property after she is gone and that's worth more than the other two trust funds combined. My father won't get anything because she's going to divorce him before she dies, and honestly I'm happy for her. She made me promise to take care of my brothers and told me that once I turn 18 this summer I can kick my dad out of the house if I want to. And I FULLY plan to do that btw.
I haven't talked to my dad since and I can't even look at my mom. I can't believe they would conspire to do this to Jane after all this time. Just proof that they deserve each other and I'm embarrassed that they're my parents. Once I turn 18 I'm going to cut my dad out as much as I can and cut my mom out completely. I hope she rots. Meanwhile I'm going to try and be at the hospital as much as I can until Jane passes away.
Anyways. I just needed to vent. I'm really messed up about the whole thing and I feel super betrayed, although I can't even begin to imagine how Jane feels. I'm gonna be so f-ed up when she dies. I can't even think about that right now. But at least she's not surrounded by people who just want to bring her down.
Thanks for reading.
Edit: Some people are asking a lot of the same stuff so I'll just clarify here --
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My brothers -
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My plan is to use some of the estate money fight for guardianship for my twin brothers so that they can live in the house while I kick my dad out. If I can't get guardianship then I will have to let my dad stay in the house. However once I turn 18 I will technically be an adult so even if my dad leaves I'm still legally able to be responsible for them. The only thing I won't be able to do is stop him from taking them if he leaves. But they will be 18 in six years so even if they do have to leave they will always be able to come back whenever they want. In a perfect world my dad would just leave and let my brothers stay with me which I'm sure my bio-mom would be very supportive of because right now she hates all of us and I doubt that will change anytime soon.
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The trust -
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from what I understand, my brothers will inherit 1/3 each of the estate and the remaining 1/3 will be used to keep the house running until they turn 18. After that it will be up to me if I want to keep the house or sell it. At that point my brothers will still have money left in the trust so they can branch out or do whatever they want, otherwise I will not sell the house and just pass it on to them or keep it and maintain it myself and they can just stay with me as long as they need to.
(Edit to the edit) So I just spoke to Jane and she told me that the reason she dissolved the trust is because originally it was going to be split 3x between us kids and my dad would inherit the house. She dissolved my 3rd and switched it over to make it to take care of the house maintenance, and instead put the house in my name so my dad wouldn't get it. Plus by doing that at least financially I would be getting a much bigger share (the house is worth about 1.5x the amount of my brothers trusts) I just wouldn't be able to do anything with it until my brothers are 18, which I'm totally cool with. Sorry if I don't have a better answer but I'm just trying to translate what she told me.
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My parents -
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The big fight happened on Sunday and I haven't spoken to either of my parents since, I think they're both at my mom's place right now but that's fine with us because we're all still mad at them so they can stay gone for all we care. I know technically that's not legal to just leave us alone but I've been taking care of my brothers for over a year I can handle a few days while he gets his shit together. Screw both of them.
Hope that clears some stuff up.
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Tisanes
I'm so sorry you're going through such a hard time, OP.
The most important thing you've inherited from Jane is a strong moral compass. You could have taken the easy road and ignored everything your mom and dad were doing, but your compassion to Jane is proof you take after her the most.

OOP: Thanks a lot. Yeah when my mom was yelling at me she asked why I couldn't keep my mouth shut and mind my business and I told her "because Jane raised me better than that" and that's when she slapped me. I feel like she's always been threatened by Jane and that was just proof.

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DeerBest3901
I would scream "oooOH TOUCHDOWN"

OOP: Lol that would've been funny but at the time I was more worried about keeping my brothers out of the argument (not that it worked but I tried).

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LighteningSharks
You're a good kid. I'm sorry you're losing the only parent who ever really cared. Jane was meant to be your mama

OOP: Thank you, I've felt like that periodically over the years but Jane always insisted that she didn't want to replace my bio mom in my life because a girl's relationship with her mother is important. I guess she didn't realize that I already had one.

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**Judgement - NTA*\*
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Update - 3 months later
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Hi guys it’s me again, a lot of you asked me for an update on my situation with Jane and my family so I’ve come back with a few things that have happened since I initially posted. I will try to organize this in a way that addresses the major points of last time.
Jane is still alive and doing surprisingly well considering the circumstances. She’s always been a fighter and although her disease has been progressing she’s keeping a positive attitude with everything that is going on. She says she’s grateful that she was able to see everyone’s true colors before she passed so she could go into the next life knowing the truth. We have become so unbelievably close in the past few months and it’s getting harder and harder to know that she’s getting close to the end. She doesn’t ever talk about it though and I know it’s because she doesn’t want to hurt me but we both know the situation so we’re just making the best of our time. I'm also not being completely transparent about all of the drama at home but tbh I don't think she needs to hear all of that.
We did end up having that surprise celebration of life that I planned, a lot more people showed up than I thought but they all got an airbnb near the hospital where Jane is and we were able to take her out and spend some time at the lake near the facility. It was super lowkey which I know Jane preferred and I was even able to get her old college friend to come after I found him on Linkedin lol. We had food and there was music and we played games and it was overall a really great time, except Jane started crying at the end but she promised me it was just because she was grateful.
My brothers are also doing okay, my aunt (Jane's sister) is currently paying for them to go to therapy and they've become a lot more open about talking about the situation. They just turned 13 but a lot of the time it feels like I'm talking to actual adults lol. They've become really independent lately (in a good way) and aside from me driving them places I don't really have to do much for them anymore. Their grades aren't super great but they're not failing and considering the circumstances it could be a lot worse. They still hang out with friends and I'm keeping an eye out for like depression symptoms and stuff.
The situation with my mom is as funny as it is embarrassing tbh. She spent a few weeks ignoring us and then she tried to crawl back into my life basically begging me to let her move in because her lease is about to expire and she has nowhere to go. That convo went about as well as you'd think and she ended up calling me an ungrateful b**** and that I couldn't just ignore her because she's my mom. I told her to get out of the house before I call the cops and to go back to my dad (who at that point was only coming home every few days to "check on us" and grab some clothes.)
After that she tried coming by a few times and when I wouldn't open the door she would lose her mind and start yelling through the neighborhood. After three instances of this I finally called the cops but because I'm 17 they told me there's a possibility that I would have to go home with her since technically I'm a minor and need to be with the custodial parent. I told them no way because I was the only one watching my brothers atm. That led to a whole thing where after a few hours my dad basically showed up and I was allowed to stay there because there was finally an adult present and I'd basically lived there for over a year.
After that the cops firmly told my mom that if she keeps showing up and causing drama (my neighbors confirmed that she'd been there a few times screaming) that they would arrest her for trespassing since technically it was Jane's house and not hers. She left and hasn't tried coming to the house anymore but for a while she would call me constantly telling me I owed her and all kinds of stuff. She's now blocked on everything and anything she needs to say to me gets filtered through my dad.
As for my dad... well, since he's basically required to be here for another 2 months until I turn 18 we've basically just avoided each other. It's not too bad though because I've been heavily relying on guilting him for everything to get my way. For example he was going to contest the divorce but I threatened to kick him out when I turn 18 if he does that so he just signed all the paperwork for a "quickie divorce" and is basically doing whatever Jane tells him to do.
I don't openly disrespect him or anything (he's still my dad) but I've made it clear that I have no intentions on doing anything he says ever again and he doesn't fight me on it. Most of the time he's just in his room and sometimes he'll go back to my mom's but only for a day or two before they argue and she kicks him out again lol. I haven't decided whether or not I'll kick him out yet and we haven't talked about it either so I'm kind of playing it by ear.
As for me, I'm handling everything as good as I can. I found a new job where I make a little more money so I've been focusing on saving as much as I can and just being there for my brothers. Between working and school and visiting Jane I've been so busy I haven't really had time to really stop and think about everything, but I know it'll come. One of my friends has really stepped up and helped me manage everything and I'm super grateful to him for being there for me and my brothers so we'll see how that goes.
Anyways I wish I had something more exciting to share but that's what's happened since my last post :) Thanks again for all the support on my last post.
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absxlution
Holy shit, I remember your first post, this is such big pile of horse crap to be dealing with, but you sound so incredibly mature and like you're really taking it in stride. Your parents have really failed you and your brothers here, but I'm so proud of how you've managed to step up to the plate and hold your ground against them. I'm still sorry you have to be the next best adult in this scenario.
It's also great to hear that Jane is still alive, and that you guys got to do a celebration of life with her. I can only hope, when I am at my own end, that I have people who love me this dearly and this deeply. I hope you and your loved ones are able to make some more happy memories with her :-)

OOP: Thank you :) and I promise that as long as you are a good person and work to make the lives of those around you better instead of being a burden you will have many people around you who will love and cherish you.

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trvllvr
Jane was a wonderful example for you and raised you well. I’m so sorry you have to deal with all of this. You are so young and this should be a carefree time in your life. However, I’m glad your brothers have you.
Curious does dad and bio mom work at all? Or they just mooch off Jane and others? I means seems like they have a lot of time on their hands to do nothing, but he horrible people.

OOP: Hi and thank you :) Yes my bio mom works as a bartender most nights, she’s been working at the same bar basically my whole life. As for my dad he works in industrial sales, he makes a pretty decent living but I think most of his money recently has been going towards my bio mom since he never seems to have money to do anything anymore lol

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I am not the OOP. Please do not harass the OOP.
Please remember the No Brigading Rule and to be civil in the comments

Backstory: Alfalfa ate canned TikiCat Luau (mostly chicken/salmon in consomme) his whole life and always a clean bill of health, never any issues. When he was 6, he started showing "the signs" (straining, blood droplets) and was seen by both primary and ER vets, was immediately admitted but b/c he wouldn't keep the catheter in after 2 reinserts, his only option left was a PU. Some small struvite stones were found in his bladder too and were all removed. He had a tough recovery and wouldn't eat the Science Diet or Royal Canine CD/SO wet foods in the ER but was doing ok for discharge otherwise, thinking he would eat at home, be more comfy. Still wasn't eating, tried Rx. appetite stimulants, tried pate, meaty morsels, all of it....still was losing significant body weight since pre-sick, and then tried the last option we could all think of and he's been eating the dry formula Royal Canine SO ever since. His last annual exam since, about 6 months post-op, and other than watching his weight (needs to lose some now), the vet had no other concerns, Alfalfa is doing good and should stay on his diet indefinitely.
My question is: what is the SO diet actually preventing as a dry food formula that an OTC high-quality ingredient wet formula won't? Considering how imperative moisture is in a cat's diet and if the purpose of a c/d diet is to dissolve the stones, and Alfalfa has already had a cystotomy during the PU procedure, what's the point of a c/d diet that he doesn't like, has little moisture content, and is making him fat? Would the better alternative be to look into (or ask vet) about alternative wet foods low in magnesium and phosphorus he might actually enjoy? What are the questions I should be asking? (side note: this is the same primary vet practice that's seen him since he was 4 weeks old)
He has another 6-month exam coming up but I get the sense my primary vet is more focused in canine-education and didn't offer much resources (besides Feliway and water fountains), or even want like a baseline urine/blood testing post-op either but I requested, which I thought was strange but maybe that's normal!
And the thought of using PH test strips to test his urine every so often has crossed my mind - but is this crazy? Has anyone tried this / found it useful? He uses the Breeze Litter systems that have the pee tray so it would be easy - but eh, thought I'd ask. Alfie is my first male so this is all really new and scary to me.
Maybe there's more "PU/cystotomy/CD Diet" focused resources anyone could recommend for more advice if this isn't the right place - I'm sorry.
Thanks so much in advance!

Part nine covers Unity. I've done my best to get the dates as accurate and precise as possible. All of the dates are sourced directly from the game and the Unity novel, along with other research that's been noted below.
For obvious reasons, I did not include the server bridges, Nostradamus enigmas, or the companion missions.
Part 1: AC1 + Altaïr's Chronicles & Bloodlines
Part 2: AC2 + Discovery
Part 3: Brotherhood
Part 4: Revelations
Part 5: AC3
Part 6: Liberation + Black Flag Aveline DLC
Part 7: Black Flag + Freedom Cry
Part 8: Rogue
Prologue: 1307–1314

• The Tragedy of Jacques de Molay (Temple assault): 13 October 1307
• The Tragedy of Jacques de Molay (seven years later): 18 March 1314

Sequences 1–2: 1776–1789 (Arno aged 8–20)

• Memories of Versailles (Palais de Versailles): 27 December 1776
• Memories of Versailles (thirteen years later): 5 May 1789
• The Estates General: 5 May 1789
• High Society: 5 May 1789
• Imprisoned: 5 May–15 July 1789^\1])
• Rebirth: 15 July 1789^\1])

Between sequences 2 & 3: 1789–1790 (Arno aged 20–22)

• [Paris story] The Great Escapist: 16 July 1789^\1])
• [Social club, Ventre de Paris] Let Them Eat Hay: July 1789^\1])
• [Social club, Ventre de Paris] Cat Food on a Hot Tin Roof: July 1789
• [Social club, Ventre de Paris] Hoarding Hostages: July 1789
• [Social club, Île de la Cité] Bridge Brigands: 1789
• [Paris story] À la Lanterne!: 1789
• [Paris story] Devilishly Tricky: 1789
• [Co-op] Women's March: 5 October 1789
• [Paris story] Headlining the Guillotine: December 1789^\2])
• [Social club, Le Marais] Breaking the Habit: 1790^\3])
• [Paris story] Carmalite Nuns: 1790^\3])
• [Paris story] Stop the Presses!: 1790^\4])
• [Paris story] Swiss Stash: September 1790

Sequences 3–7: 1791 (Arno aged 22)

• Graduation: 4 January 1791
• Confession: 5 January 1791
• Council Briefing: 5 January 1791
• [Café Théâtre] Explore the Café Théâtre: January 1791
• The Kingdom of Beggars: 19 January 1791
• Le Roi Est Mort: 19 January 1791
• Council Report: 19 January 1791
• [Café Théâtre] Auto-Da-Fé: 1791
• The Silversmith: 31 March 1791
• La Halle aux Blés: 31 March 1791
• The Prophet: 31 March 1791
• The Jacobin Club: 31 March–1 April 1791
• Templar Ambush: 1 April 1791
• A Cautious Alliance: 2 April 1791^\5])
• Meeting with Mirabeau: 2 April 1791
• Confrontation: 2 April 1791

Between sequences 7 & 8: 1791–1792 (Arno aged 22–23)

• [Paris story] The Cult of Baphomet: 1791
• [Paris story] The Ritual of Baphomet: 1791
• [Paris story] Vicious Verses: 1791^\6])
• [Paris story] Tapestry Thief: 1791
• [Murder mystery] Eugène François Vidocq: 1791^\7])
• [Murder mystery] Murder Foretold: 1791^\7])
• [Murder mystery] Barber of Seville: 1791^\7])
• [Paris story] Arm the People: February 1792^\8])
• [Paris story] "Escort" Mission: March 1792^\8])
• [Paris story] Constructing a "Close Shave": April 1792^\9])
• [Social club, Le Marais] A Dramatic Exit: 1792
• [Social club, Les Invalides] Special Delivery: 1792
• [Social club, Le Quartier Latin] Café Procope: 1792
• [Paris story] Encyclopédie Diderot: 1792
• [Paris story] A Fistful of Duelers: 1792
• [Paris story] Turtle, Snake, Bear, Paper, Scissors: 1792
• [Paris story] Cartouche's Memoirs: 1792
• [Murder mystery] The Red Ghost of the Tuileries: 1792^\7])
• [Co-op] The Food Chain: Summer 1792

Sequences 8–11: 1792–1793 (Arno aged 23–24)

• The King's Correspondence: 10 August 1792
• [Heist] Tithing Templars: August 1792^\3])
• September Massacres: 2 September 1792
• [Co-op] The Austrian Conspiracy: 2 September 1792
• [Heist] Catacomb Raider: September 1792^\3])
• [Café Théâtre] Colette: September 1792^\10])
• Starving Times: 31 October 1792
• Hoarders: 31 October 1792
• The Escape: 31 October 1792
• [Café Théâtre] Damsel in Seamstress: December 1792^\11])
• [Café Théâtre] The Queen's Necklace: December 1792^\10])
• [Café Théâtre] Foxy Renard: December 1792^\10])
• [Social club, Île de la Cité] Marat's Missive: 1792 or 1793
• [Social club, La Bièvre] Extortion Contortion: 1792 or 1793
• [Social club, Le Marais] Artful Dodger: 1792 or 1793
• [Heist] It Belongs in a Museum: 1792 or 1793
• [Heist] The Party Palace: 1792 or 1793
• [Heist] Smuggler's Paradise: 1792 or 1793
• [Heist] Royals, Guns and Money: 1792 or 1793
• A Dinner Engagement: 20 January 1793
• The Execution: 21 January 1793
• Council Debriefing: 21 January 1793
• Bottom of the Barrel: 4 June 1793
• Rise of the Assassin: 4 June 1793^\12])

Between sequences 11 & 12: 1793–1794 (Arno aged 24–25)

• [Murder mystery] The Body in the Brothel: 1793^\7])
• [Murder mystery] The Body Politic: 1793^\7])
• [Murder mystery] The Hand of Science: 1793^\7])
• [Social club, Le Louvre] The Black Office: 1793
• [Paris story] The Chemical Revolution: 1793^\13])
• [Paris story] Flying Boy: 1793^\13])
• [Paris story] La Bande Noire: 2 July 1793^\14])
• [Murder mystery] The Assassination of Jean-Paul Marat: 14 July 1793^\7])
• [Co-op] The Tournament: July 1793
• [Co-op] Political Persecution: 28 July 1793^\15])
• [Murder mystery] Killed by Science: 31 July 1793^\7])
• [Paris story] Critical Comedown: Summer 1793^\16])
• [Paris story] Scene Stealer: Summer 1793^\16])
• [Paris story] Up in Arms: September 1793^\17])
• [Social club, Le Louvre] Betrayer of the Queen: October 1793
• [Murder mystery] The Death of Philibert Aspairt: 3 November 1793^\7])
• [Co-op] Heads Will Roll: 13 November 1793
• [Paris story] My Kingdom For Some Whores: December 1793
• [Paris story] De Sade's Reprieve: December 1793
• [Paris story] Sadistic Blackmail: December 1793
• [Paris story] French Crown Jewels: December 1793^\10])
• [Paris story] The League of the Crimson Rose: 1793 or 1794
• [Paris story] Return of the Crimson Rose: 1793 or 1794
• [Paris story] Crimson Sunset: 1793 or 1794
• [Paris story] Marianne Returns Home: 1793 or 1794
• [Paris story] The American Prisoner: 1793 or 1794
• [Murder mystery] Hot Chocolate to Die For: 1793 or 1794^\7])
• [Co-op] Les Enragés: 10 February 1794
• [Paris story] Coat of Arms: February 1794^\18])
• [Paris story] The Condorcet Method: 25 March 1794^\13])
• [Social club, Le Louvre] Retribution for a Rabble-Rouser: 5 April 1794
• [Co-op] Danton's Sacrifice: 5 April 1794
• [Paris story] Using the Ol' Noggins: 1794
• [Paris story] Waxworks: 1794
• [Social club, Le Quartier Latin] Roux's Remains: 1794
• [Social club, La Bièvre] Chouan Riddles: 1794
• [Social club, Les Invalides] Smoky Yet Robust: 1794
• [Heist] Ancient History: 1794
• [Co-op] Moving Mirabeau: May 1794

Sequence 12 + Dead Kings: 1794 (Arno aged 25)

• The Supreme Being: 8 June 1794
• [Paris story] Iscariotte, the Giant: June or July 1794^\19])
• [Social club, La Bièvre] Bara's Funeral: July 1794^\20])
• The Fall of Robespierre: 27 July 1794
• The Temple: 28 July 1794
• [Co-op] Jacobin Raid: 29 July 1794
• Buried Words: 3 August 1794
• The Book Thief: 4 August 1794
• A Shadow from the Past: 4 August 1794
• Raising the Dead: 5 August 1794
• Under Lock and Key: 6 August 1794
• A Crown of Thorns: 7–9 August 1794

Epilogue + remaining side memories: 1794–1822 (Arno aged 25–54)

• [Franciade story] The Unopened Rose: August 1794
• [Franciade story] Last Will: August 1794
• [Franciade story] The Eyes of the King: August 1794
• [Franciade story] A Royal Hide: August 1794
• [Murder mystery] Blind Justice: August 1794^\7])
• [Murder mystery] Equal Justice: August 1794^\7])
• [Paris story] Cassini's Constellations: August 1794^\13])
• [Co-op] Last Rites: 11 October 1794^\21])
• [Heist] Holy High Rollers: October 1794
• [Paris story] Sewer Rat: 1795^\22])
• [Paris story] The Little Prince: June 1795^\23])
• [Paris story] Désirée Desired: 1795
• [Paris story] Désirée Dismayed: 1795
• [Paris story] Désirée Delighted: September 1795
• [Paris story] A Romantic Stroll: September or October 1795
• [Paris story] Signaling Officer Murat: 5 October 1795
• [Paris story] A Nice Chappe: October 1795
• [Paris story] Precious Correspondence: October 1795
• [Murder mystery] Ancestral Vengeance: 1796 or 1797^\7])
• [Murder mystery] Bones of Contention: 1796 or 1797^\7])
• [Murder mystery] The Decapitated Warden: 1796 or 1797^\7])
• [Murder mystery] Cut the Middle Man: 1796 or 1797^\7])
• [Murder mystery] A Dash of Poison: 1796 or 1797^\7])
• [Social club, Les Invalides] Spiked Bourbon: 1798^\24])
• [Co-op] The Infernal Machine: 24 December 1800
• Years Later (Arno returns to the Temple vault with Napoleon): 1808^\25])
• [Paris story] Tall, Dark Strangers: 1810s^\26])
• [Paris story] Flamel's Secret: The Monks: 1810s
• [Paris story] Flamel's Secret: Denis Molinier: 1810s
• [Paris story] Flamel's Secret: The Elixir of Life: 1810s
• [Social club, Le Quartier Latin] An Engaging Egyptologist: September 1822^\27])

^\1]) The Unity novel gives the date of Arno's reunion with Élise after his escape from the Bastille as 25 July 1789. This is likely either a typo or an error because it creates a continuity issue with how these events are portrayed in the game. Firstly, after Arno's escape, he makes his way to the de la Serre estate in Paris, which is located in Le Marais. This is literally down the street from the Bastille. Even with lying low and dodging guard patrols, I can't imagine it would've taken Arno more than a day to reach the estate, let alone eleven. Not to mention why he'd wait that long to find Élise when that was his singular objective while stuck in prison for two months. Another thing to consider is that there are a few side memories that take place prior to 25 July. The Paris story, The Great Escapist, happens on 16 July which is when Jean Henri Latude retrieved his rope ladder from the Bastille. And all three of the Ventre de Paris social club missions have to take place at some point prior to Joseph Foullon de Doué's execution on 22 July. If we go by the novel's date, Arno wasn't inducted into the Assassins until 25 July, which means he would've been doing missions for the Brotherhood before he even joined them. This obviously doesn't make any sense. So for the above reasons, I'm disregarding the novel's date and placing Arno and Élise's reunion and the events of Rebirth on 15 July instead, which resolves the continuity issue.
^\2]) Widespread public debate regarding Joseph-Ignace Guillotin's proposed method of capital punishment began in December 1789 after a speech he made to the National Constituent Assembly.
^\3]) As France dechristianized during the Revolution, many religious institutions came under attack. On 12 July 1790, the Civil Constitution of the Clergy was passed, outlawing religious life and giving complete control of the Church to the government. As a result of this, many congregations such as the Filles du Calvaire Convent were formally dissolved by the National Constituent Assembly. As the Revolution progressed, these tensions only got worse. Shortly after the insurrection of 10 August 1792, the Notre-Dame Cathedral's treasury was looted of all of its liturgical objects, artifacts, and other religious relics. Not long after, the Abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés got an even worse deal as it was ransacked during the September Massacres, resulting in hundreds of executions. Among the victims were 22 priests, 135 Swiss guards, and the Princesse de Lamballe. After the massacre, the abbey was converted into a storehouse until 1795 when it was reinstated as a church.
^\4]) While Mirabeau's reputation remained largely untarnished until after his death, public criticism of his conduct began as early as 1790 when it was discovered that he had secretly met with Marie Antoinette at the Château de Saint-Cloud on 3 July.
^\5]) The on-screen text incorrectly dates this memory to 1 April 1791.
^\6]) André Chénier finished writing "Le Jeu de Paume" in 1791.
^\7]) Eugène François Vidocq and Charles Cochon de Lapparent appear throughout all of the murder mystery memories. In the initial cutscene for these memories, Lapparent is anachronistically referred to as a police minister by Vidocq. Historically, the Minister of Police position wasn't established in the French government until 1796, and Lapparent served in this position from 3 April 1796 to 16 July 1797. This anachronism creates a potential continuity issue since a large number of the murder mysteries explicitly take place in the years prior. Despite this inaccuracy, it's technically plausible for the murder mysteries to begin in 1791 as during that year there was a short period where Vidocq and Lapparent were both in Paris at the same time. Lapparent was a frequent attendee of the Jacobin Club from late 1789 to around October 1791. Meanwhile, Vidocq was in prison in Paris for a two-week period during the summer or autumn of 1791. Using this evidence, it can be surmised that the initial cutscene and Murder Foretold take place around summer or autumn 1791. The dates for the rest of the murder mysteries are as follows:

• Barber of Seville also happens in 1791 as indicated by a database entry.
• The Red Ghost of the Tuileries happens in 1792 since during the memory, a document indicates that Louis-Michel le Peletier is still alive and the Ministry of Finance is still keeping their offices at the Tuileries Palace, which was no longer the case after the insurrection of 10 August 1792.
• Both The Body in the Brothel and Hot Chocolate to Die For make reference to the Committee of Public Safety, which existed from 1793 to 1795 and was the executive power of the French government during the Reign of Terror. Documents found in The Body in the Brothel indicate that the memory takes place prior to the Marquis de Sade's arrest in December 1793. Hot Chocolate to Die For contains no other specific references so it could take place in either 1793 or 1794.
• Dialogue in The Body Politic indicates that it takes place in 1793 shortly after the execution of Louis XVI.
• The Hand of Science most likely takes place in 1793 prior to the Academy of Sciences being abolished by the National Convention on 8 August.
• The Assassination of Jean-Paul Marat takes place on 14 July 1793, one day after Marat's assassination and the day that Jacques-Louis David began painting "The Death of Marat". Marat's body remained in the tub for another two days so that onlookers could gawk at his corpse before finally being removed on 16 July when the stench became unbearable.
• Documents found in Killed by Science confirm the date to be 13 Thermidor, Year I. On the Gregorian calendar, this date converts to 31 July 1793.
• Both the dialogue and the condition of Aspairt's corpse confirm that The Death of Philibert Aspairt takes place on 3 November 1793, the day that Aspairt disappeared into the Paris catacombs. In real life, his cause of death is unknown and his body wasn't found until 30 April 1804.
• Blind Justice and Equal Justice both take place in August 1794 during Arno's stay in Franciade.
• All remaining murder mysteries give no indication of when they take place. So I've placed them in 1796 or 1797, during Lapparent's term as Minister of Police.

^\8]) After being released from the custody of the Austrian government, Théroigne de Méricourt returned to Paris in January 1792. About a month later, she began working with the Jacobin Club to gather arms and supporters for the approaching war with Austria. In addition to this, Théroigne spent most of the spring of 1792 campaigning for women's rights to bear arms, and on 11 March, she distributed a summons for the formation of a battalion of women. These efforts were ultimately unsuccessful and proved unpopular among the Jacobins who promptly turned on her.
^\9]) The first working prototype of the guillotine was constructed by Tobias Schmidt and tested by Charles-Henri Sanson in April 1792. A week later on 25 April, Nicolas Jacques Pelletier was the first person to be executed by guillotine.
^\10]) In September 1792 during a five-day looting spree, most of the French Crown Jewels were stolen from the Royal Treasury. Most of the jewels were eventually recovered. The Regent and the Hortensia, along with several others, were found hidden in an attic in Paris fifteen months later in December 1793. The Sancy made its way to Russia where it eventually reappeared in 1828 as part of the Rudanovsky collection. The French Blue was eventually smuggled to London where it was recut at some point between 1792 and 1812. The largest remaining piece of the French Blue is now known as the Hope Diamond.
^\11]) Marie-Jeanne Bertin, better known as Rose Bertin, served as Marie Antoinette's personal fashion merchant from 1774 to 1792. During the Revolution, Bertin made several trips to England and Germany in 1791 and 1792, which fueled speculation that she was carrying secret messages to foreign leaders on behalf of Marie Antoinette. Bertin returned to Paris in December 1792 to settle some of her accounts before leaving for London in February 1793. She would not return to France until 1800.
^\12]) The Unity novel indicates that Arno killed la Touche on the same day that Élise finds him in Versailles, as by the following day, Arno and Élise are already back in Paris.
^\13]) The political maneuverings of the Revolution often targeted individuals in academia. By 1793, scientists like Antoine Lavoisier and Pierre-Simon Laplace fell under the scrutiny of the National Convention due to their connections to the ancien régime. As a former member of the ferme générale, Lavoisier was arrested on 30 November on charges of fraud and selling watered-down tobacco. He was later convicted and guillotined on 8 May 1794. On 3 October 1793, a warrant was issued for the arrest of Nicolas de Condorcet after he criticized the Montagnard Constitution. Condorcet went into hiding for several months before fleeing Paris on 25 March 1794. Two days later, he was caught and imprisoned in Bourg-l'Égalité. On 29 March, he was found dead in his cell of an apparent suicide. Jean-Dominique, comte de Cassini was arrested on 14 February 1794 simply for being a noble. He spent several months in prison before finally being released on 5 August 1794. Later that month, he retired to his estate in Thury.
^\14]) A database entry gives the date of the Bande noire auction as 14 Messidor, which converts to 2 July. The French Republican calendar as adopted by the National Convention began implementation on 22 September 1792. Since Fabre d'Églantine, who was guillotined on 5 April 1794, is still alive during this memory, that leaves 2 July 1793 as this memory's only possible date.
^\15]) On 28 July 1793, the National Convention declared 21 deputies, several of whom were Girondists, as traitors. The National Guard, led by François Hanriot, was sent to round up the accused deputies for trial before the Revolutionary Tribunal.
^\16]) After narrowly escaping death during the September Massacres, Pierre Beaumarchais pledged his services to the new French Republic. He traveled to Holland in an attempt to purchase arms for the French Revolutionary Army but failed to complete the transaction. He briefly returned to Paris during the summer of 1793 before leaving the country again to conduct other business. While he was in Germany in late 1793, he was falsely declared an émigré and forced to spend the next two and a half years in exile. Beaumarchais' stay in Paris during the summer of 1793 coincides with Marguerite Brunet's ownership of the Théâtre National which opened on 15 August. Brunet managed the theatre until she was arrested on 15 November 1793.
^\17]) In September 1793 during the Siege of Toulon, Napoleon Bonaparte ordered more artillery to establish another battery. The siege was successful and Toulon was captured by the French Republic. It was during this time that Napoleon's success caught the attention of the Robespierre brothers.
^\18]) During Louis Antoine de Saint-Just's term as president of the National Convention in February 1794, he was noted for wearing unusual-looking clothing. This and his rather extreme political positions resulted in rumors circulating that he wore clothing made from human skin. These rumors were unsubstantiated and most likely invented by his political rivals in an attempt to discredit him.
^\19]) During this memory, a civilian mentions the Supreme Being. The Cult of the Supreme Being was a deistic cult created by Maximilien Robespierre who intended for it to be France's state religion. It was authorized by the National Convention on 7 May 1794 and inaugurated at the Festival of the Supreme Being on 8 June. Its existence was short-lived as Robespierre was executed on 28 July, rendering the cult defunct. The cult was later officially banned by Napoleon on 8 April 1802.
^\20]) Joseph Bara was a 14-year-old French republican drummer boy who was killed by pro-Monarchists at Vendée. He was subsequently hailed as a hero of the Revolution. Historically, Bara's funeral procession to the Panthéon never actually happened. It was originally scheduled for 28 July 1794 but was canceled when Maximilien Robespierre was arrested.
^\21]) After his death in 1778, Jean-Jacques Rousseau was buried in Ermenonville, France. In October 1794, it was decided that his remains would be moved to the Panthéon in Paris. While on their way to Paris, the convoy carrying Rousseau's remains passed through Franciade on 11 October.
^\22]) Jean-Baptiste Rotondo was arrested in 1793 and spent the next several years in prison while awaiting trial. The last mention of Rotondo in the historical record comes from a court document dated 20 December 1794. Rotondo disappears completely after this, most likely dying in prison at some point in 1795.
^\23]) Louis XVII died on 8 June 1795 at the age of 10. He was buried two days later in an unmarked grave at Cimetière Sainte-Marguerite. Shortly after, rumors began circulating that the boy who died was not the Dauphin and that the real Louis XVII was still alive. This created the legend of the Lost Dauphin and over the next several decades, hundreds of people claimed to be the long-lost Louis. It wasn't until 2000 that it was finally proven that the real Louis did die in 1795, based on DNA testing on a heart that was taken from the autopsy of the boy who was buried at Sainte-Marguerite.
^\24]) The Council of Five Hundred began holding their meetings at the Palais Bourbon on 21 January 1798.
^\25]) Though the game doesn't give a date for this cutscene, it can be determined that it takes place in 1808 since that's the year that Napoleon ordered the Temple to be demolished. Napoleon gave the order in a letter he wrote to Joseph Fouché dated 16 March 1808. The building's demolition began immediately and was completed in two years.
^\26]) Marie Anne Lenormand was born in 1772, which actually makes her younger than Arno who was born in 1768. Despite Lenormand's set of memories being available as early as sequence 2, there's ample evidence that they actually take place much later. The game gives her the voice and appearance of an older woman, and depicts her wearing the headscarf that she was known for wearing during her later years (the earliest mention of Lenormand meeting her clients while wearing a wig and headscarf comes from a newspaper dated 1814). Her first memory features unique dialogue that can only be triggered if the memory is played after completing the main story. And the conclusion of the three Flamel's Secret memories where Arno hands her the Elixir of Life seems to be a direct reference to the claims of immortality that she made about herself towards the end of her life. Though Lenormand did live a relatively long life, she was most certainly mortal, dying at the age of 71 in 1843.
^\27]) Jean-François Champollion began studying the Rosetta Stone in 1808. Over the years, Champollion continued his research until finally making a breakthrough on 14 September 1822 when he was able to identify the phonetic values of individual hieroglyphs using clues from the Greek and Egyptian inscriptions on the Philae obelisk. Champollion quickly documented his findings and published them on 27 September 1822.

I would like some outside perspectives as tensions are running high and I want to be fair. I will try to keep this as objective as I can. I know I have contributed to the strife as well. There is a lot and I want to provide relevant details so a general TL;DR is at the top and shorter TL;DRs provided at beginning of long sections in the details.
General TL;DR My (28F) friend (27F) I have known for 8 years moved in with me and my BF (28M) at the end of February because she was going through a rough time and we have had nothing but animosity in the last month or two mostly due to my friend/roommate being unable to sleep at night because my BF and I are night shifters and are active at night. She was well aware of this before moving in with us. There has been multiple issues outside of the sleep issue, generally surrounding her being aggressive, or conflict avoidant and a lack of communication. Should I try to diffuse tension and let her stay, if so how? Or should I encourage her to move out asap?
Details:
Background: TL;DR: my friend moved in with my BF and I because her mental health was declining.
I 28F and my boyfriend 28M broke our lease to move into a larger apartment in order to allow my friend, now roommate, to move in to help support her as she was going through a difficult time. My roommate and her husband were living with her father in law. She also has a daughter from a previous relationship that she has during the summers. She and FIL always butted heads over things like their items in common areas, food sharing etc. When she lost her job things worsened and after multiple "cool down" trips where she would come stay with us for a few days to a week we offered to have her move in with us, we live in a different state, in an attempt to step stone her and her husband into a place of their own in a lower cost of living area. Her husband stayed behind with is father to continue working his job until they saved up enough to move together. It was done urgently as her mental health was clearly deteriorating over the years with a steep decline in recent months. I paid all moving expenses, security deposit, all of rent and utilities as this is meant to help her save money to become independent.
Now an overview of events: In the two months of her moving in we have had multiple issues that have lead to tensions being near breaking in roughly chronological order. The last, number 9, is the most significant issue.

1. TL;DR BF and I 2v1 overruled her on which apartment to get. I believe this has started a trend of her not feeling like she has control on the decisions of the apartment.

When selecting the apartment we had the option of a second floor apartment or a first floor walk out patio apartment. Initially I was in favor of the first floor as was roommate. BF was strongly opposed after seeing the apartment, citing security risks regarding the patio door, the potential of our cats escaping directly outside instead of into a hallway et. al. I was swayed to the second floor and roommate was upset that we 2 vs 1 overruled her on which apartment to get. I feel like this has set a tone of her not feeling like she has say in apartment and may be contributing to later expressions of not feeling welcome.

1. There have been numerous occasions that she had made disparaging, snarky, sarcastic, judgemental comments towards my BF. They are small enough that an individual one could be dismissed but the pattern is upsetting. It has made us hesitant to initiate conversation as half the time it ended up insulting BFs intelligence, or insinuating he is lazy. If confronted on them she gets upset and storms off to her room. This has harmed communication and thus conflict resolution.
   
2. TL;DR: She is much more aggressive with disciplining our cats than I like.
   

She has nothing positive to say about our 3 cats. She was heavy handed with the discipline of them when they would jump on the kitchen counter etc. The two kittens clearly fear her as she would swat them and if they grumbled at all she would pin them to the floor until they stopped growling or hissing, frequently yelling at them while she did this. I told her to stop and she would roll her eyes. I told her husband I was upset about her treatment of the cats and she finally stopped, but has gone so far as to not interact with the cats at all. One of the cats took a bite out of the corner of a loaf of banana bread she made, the large majority was salvageable. I stayed up late until she woke up because i was afraid she would be borderline violent with the cats if she discovered it on her own given how she displines them when its not something that directly affected her. I brought the cats into my bedroom then I messaged her about the situation she came out and slam dunked the whole loaf into the trash and proceeded to stomp around as she got ready for work and left early. I never had the opportunity to discuss this with her after the incident.

1. TL;DR: We had a mild, sort of political, argument and she left the apartment for 7 hours, returning at 1am.

We had a discussion around groceries that got rather heated. I want to support a boycott but I was not going to force that on her. She asked for an item included in the boycott, I explained the boycott and asked if she was willing to go without or switch to generic for a while, she gave a non commital answer. I bought her the item she requested. The next day she asks about the boycott and discussion quickly devolved into raised voices, I got rather defensive because i felt she had an antagonistic tone with saying things like it was too small to be effective, its mis-targeted, pointless etc. This was right before I had to leave for work so there was not time to cool down the conversation before we had to separate. My BF made a comment about a statistic regarding the boycott after I left and she snapped at him with "i'm clearly not wanted here, burn my stuff, I'm going back to (home state)" and left the apartment and did not return for 7 hours. Her husband texts me while I'm at work through the night trying to find out what happened and play moderator. I apologized for my tone the following day. I did not get an apology in return.

1. TL;DR I have tried to initiate conversation and socialization around things not related to the functioning of the apartment and it has not been productive. I encouraged her to read a book series that I love before she moved in with the intention of fostering less stressful conversation. She read it, discussed it in depth with her husband but when I asked her about it I was given short sentences with very little to build a conversation on. After she moved in I bought her the first two books of another series by the same author to try to encourage another conversation topic. I do not know if she has even read them as she has not discussed them at all and it has coincided with her retreating more and more into her room. I encouraged her to watch a TV mini series that I enjoy as well, she watched it while I was asleep and we talked about it for maybe two minutes when I woke up. She hasn't talked about tv, movies, books etc that she enjoys recently for me to be able to get into something she likes to try for that connection either. I invited her to a board game night with my friends in an effort to hang out, hopefully gain her some friends, mend tensions. We end the night early with her in a depression spiral of "I'm stupid and I ruin everything" when she lost a couple games in a row and was not connecting with the people at the event.
   
2. She removed all of her items from the common area including kitchen appliances, decor, stuff pinned to the fridge etc. This also includes her disassembling three lego potted plants we let her build out of one of our sets and leaving the pieces in a ziploc bag on the bookcase. I genuinely don't know what we did this time to offend her and she has not provided explanation beyond "I don't feel wanted in the common areas"
   
3. TL;DR: I upset her by moving her laundry and dismissing her ideas during a conversation.
   

One night while I am at work I get a message from her husband asking "how are things going, it sounds like you kinda want her out of there?" I ask why she thinks that and he cites "I threw her clothes in front of her door." I placed her clothes that were in the dryer in my hamper and placed it next to her door in the hall because I did not want to interrupt her as I could hear she was on the phone. In the morning I find my hamper upside down well into my room. I think she threw it. I genuinely do not know what I should have done as I'm sure that if I had asked her to move her items it would have been interpreted as rude and demanding. Her husband also says I dismissed her ideas during a conversation regarding summer custody of her daughter and job options for my BF (His hours have been significantly reduced, only 1-2 nights a week, and we were considering applying to other jobs). I said he may be interested in one of her suggestions but did say he was unlikely to go for the others as well as one being a long shot for him to get. Roommate also remarked if having her daughter around for longer than the summer would be too much she could work on getting a place of her own earlier than originally planned. I rather bluntly said I didn't think it was a good idea to move out before they pay off her car as i am leaving the apartment. This conversation happened right before I had to go to work for the night and there was not an opportunity to have a fully in depth conversation.
8.She is giving me the cold shoulder. I have not gotten more than a two word reply in two weeks. I say hi when she comes home from work and I get no response. I ask "what are you making?" when she is cooking and she responds with "food" etc. I'm not sure what started this one or if it's a cumulative of sleep deprivation and her not feeling welcome.

1. TL;DR: This is the biggest stressor. She is a very light sleeper and we are night shifters, she can't sleep because we make too much noise. We have tried to accommodate to an extent but we will not be silent all night like she wants as we feel this will unfairly restrict our activities during the large majority of our active hours.

My BF and I are night shifters. While my BF only works 1-2 nights a week now he maintains the night schedule throughout the week. I am usually not home as I have picked up a lot of overtime to compensate for moving to a more expensive apartment and BF's decreased hours. She knew we were night shifters and has stayed with us before in our old apartment and has experienced sleeping during our normal activity schedule well before she moved in. She is a very light sleeper. She used to use recreational marijuana to help her sleep but we live in a state where it is not legal so she has stopped since moving in. The prescription meds she had to replace it upon the move have had side effects so she has stopped taking them. I took her to the CBD dispensary in town to get her the closest thing we could legally obtain to her previous sleep aid. I bought her black out curtains. I bought her a brand new bed, on my credit card to give her promotional pricing and to get it before she got a job here. Frankly, I have been scared to provoke another conflict by telling her she owes me $40 a month now that the bill is coming due and she has a job now. I bought her sound proofing foam panels to put up in her room, they were not used, eventually after a few weeks my BF and I put them up on the living room wall that is shared with her bedroom. None of this has apparently helped. She has focused this sleep deprived anger on my BF as he is the one home most often. I am not usually home to confirm his sound level but he says he is trying to be considerate, especially when he talks to his friends through video game chats. She has thrown things at the wall, yelled/screamed "shut up" and sent some vile texts to him, the worst one below. Quote: Roommate: What part of shut up do you not get? It means stop all the noises coming out of your mouth. I have not been able to sleep ever since you fking came back and have had no respect for me and my fking sleeping schedule. How many times do I have to tell you that I'm not on my sleep meds anymore so your fking talking all fking night long is keeping me awake. Your fking voice grates on me so fking bad, just shut the fck up. Now I'm back in my mental hell all because of you. So thank you for making me a fking btch. If this is the only way to shut you up then fine by me, I'll be a grumpy btch. Shut! The! F*ck! Up!
He has gone to bed in the middle of the night numerous times in order to give her silence she desires, messing up his own sleep schedule. Two nights ago I was off work. She had not said a word to us or given any indication that she wss going to bed. We were talking at a normal volume and she threw something at the wall. We were very quiet for about half an hour to an hour to try to let her fall asleep. We started talking again. I made some popcorn, the microwave is almost the furthest point from her room so I thought it would be fine. We talked for a while then she screamed "shut up". We turned on our box fan to give some white noise and were talking in a quieter tone. She texts me to turn the fan off because it's too loud. So my BF and I just pack up and leave the apartment for a couple hours only to get a text from her husband Quote: Roommate's husband: Are you ok? (Roommate) said she couldn't sleep so I called her then next I know she's yelling shut up and you and (BF) are heading out the door
OP: We left to give her the silence she so aggressively requested.
We came back, tiptoed around and said nothing in above a whisper and haven't heard her since beyond some slamming stuff around in the kitchen when she was getting ready for work the next afternoon. We both worked the following night so she was left alone and we did errands and such to stay away from the apartment until it was time for us to go to bed.
Discussion: Clearly we are not compatible living together under the current circumstances. Is it better to try to stick it out and attempt mend the relationship so she can stay until she is more stable? Or should I encourage her to move out as soon as possible knowing it will be to her financial detriment and hope to mend the friendship after a few months of separation? I came into this wanting to help a friend I've known for years and our friendship dissolved in a matter of two months, is it worth rebuilding? How? Is it too early to call this experiment of her moving in a failure?

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Moon phase waning gibbous, three days before half
Mars Right Ascension 23h 58m 10s
.1 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cfhlti/i_saw_something_unusual_today/ photo, nighttime cloudy sky, contemporaneous report, single light object, flareup observed, was bright white and blinked twice with an additional red 🔴 light, then it just disappeared., vanished, brief duration 5-6 seconds, silent, over water, river, Regio Nijmegen the Netherlands 🇳🇱 elongated,possible oval-shaped, repeat visitor, I already saw near by a similar object this afternoon. Same short appearance. But it was further away and shone twice in a white metallic colour before it just ‘dissolved’.
.2 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cfejk6/possible_ufo_following_a_rocket_launch_videos/ sighting description and video, near rocket launch, single light object, red 🔴, moving fast, contemporaneous report, backyard, two witnesses, low over treeline, savannah Georgia, trajectory change ,similar sighting in comments
.3 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cff7ik/what_do_you_think_this_is/ video, nighttime sky, single object multiple lights, one flashing, possible triangle 🔺️ , from car, observed stationary, possibly pacing car, Bristol England the UK 🇬🇧, red and yellow 🔴🟡, downvoted to zero
.4 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cfybk7/all_the_relevant_uap_updates_from_april_2228/ information, state of disclosure USA https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cfjzdo/mexican_and_peruvian_ufo_disclosure_weekly/ information, state of disclosure, Mexico and Peru
.5 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cfp27v/s%C3%A3o_paulo_2024_28_april/ video, daytime sky, from car, contemporaneous report, over airport, urban area, Sao Paulo Brazil 🇧🇷, single light object, angular, reddish glow, two witnesses, elongated, vertical orientation, square ⬛️ or rectangular shape https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cfoldd/is_this_a_uap_over_s%C3%A3o_paulo_airport_this_morning/ original video, link to Google drive in comments , downvoted to zero
.6 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cfqcqc/help_needed_identifying_a_bright_flashing_light_i/ sighting description and video, contemporaneous report, nighttime, from car, west coast of Canada 🇨🇦, near water pacific ocean, single light object, flashing erratically or jumpy movement, diffuse, downvoted to zero
.7 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cfrx1d/saw_a_large_amount_of_interesting_lights_in_the/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, fleet, contemporaneous report, urban area, Albuquerque new Mexico, low over treeline , moving slowly, horizontal trajectory, [GOODPOST]
.8 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cfnvx2/last_night_in_orange_county_ca_this_is_our_second/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, repeat visitor, orange county California, contemporaneous report, two witnesses, observed moving and stationary and moving, trajectory change, brightness change, flareup and dimming, witness followed it, vanished, possible military response helicopter, Within a few minutes, a helicopter showed up and was circling the area for about 5-10 mins before leaving.
.9 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cff5in/nosy_chase video, twolights, one bright one dim, diffuse, near Monterey California, one following another, possible chase, silent
.10 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cfg1p7/in_my_adventures_today_i_realized_i_was_close_to/ photo of monument, historical event, Kecksburg Pennsylvania, local residents in comments, there was an event and the military came. The large transport vehicles were in town, and it went into total lockdown relative to the period.
.11 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/1cfujcw/what_the_hell_is_this_noise_in_my_shed_at_2_in/ audio, at home, nighttime, whistling
.12 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/1cfo904/have_you_ever_had_an_experience_that_youve_been/ discussion of experiences
.13 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/1cfwei1/ufo_sightings_and_related_experiences/ sighting description, military, US army, southeastern Georgia, nighttime, two witnesses, single light object, triangle 🔺️, appeared out of nowhere, moving fast, similar sightings in comments
.14 https://old.reddit.com/USOS/comments/1cg5jum/green_light_near_t%C5%8Dmy%C5%8Dd%C5%8D_lighthouse_in_japan/ photo and video, single light object, underwater, green 🟢, near Tomyo-do lighthouse in Japan 🇯🇵, stationary or moving slowly, USO
.15 https://old.reddit.com/StrangeEarth/comments/1cftvb4/what_was_happening_to_this_water_or_under_it/ video, possible USO, from Coronado Island, underwater, San Diego Bay California, hottub, duration two minutes, single dark object, strange waves, two witnesses
.16 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cgbu7k/my_highschool_math_teache information, high school teacher was ex airforce, USAF, I remember the smile, and he said, I can say this for sure it's a lot unknown out there .
.17 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cgvzd6/any_thoughts_on_this/ photo, daytime sky, single object blackwhite, not seen by eye, Sedona Arizona, hiking, cubensphere, subsequent single light object moving erratically, link to Google drive in comments, downvoted to zero https://old.reddit.com/useSabineRittecomments/1cgyl7j/fast_mover_over_sedona_arizona/ drawing I did
.18 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cgyqkd/the_bob_universal_object_tracker_software_beta/ live stream, BoB Universal Object Tracker Beta Version 1.0
.19 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cgi6d0/just_saw_this_over_rockwall_texas_any_ideas/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, happening at time of posting, single light object stationary, angular, urban area, Rockwall Texas, multicolored, low over rooftop, Sirius?, similar sightings in comments , duration 30 minutes
.20 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cgmduv/photos_and_video_taken_on_sunday_in_manila/ sighting description, single dark object moving erratically, two witnesses, Manila harbour the Philippines 🇵🇭
.21 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cgr2oz/spherical_object_steadily_cruising_over_north/ video, daytime sky, north Zealand Denmark 🇩🇰, single light object moving fast and straight, reddish glow, possible metallic sphere, horizontal trajectory, OP comments downvoted, big debunker energy
.22 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cgsgw7/what_is_this_thing/ photo and video, nighttime sky, two witnesses, single light object moving, silent, curved trajectory, floated from north to south west., at home, south of colombo Sri lanka 🇱🇰 , downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted, big debunker energy
.23 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/1cgd28b/what_happened_to_the_sky_that_day/ sighting description, daytime cloudy sky, Knoxville Tennessee, I saw the sky open up almost like a tear in the sky but it was completely dark on the inside., brief duration, As quick as it happened, it closed back up., has anyone seen?, similar sightings in comments
.24 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/1cgelf6/i_met_god_apparently/ experience description, entity, humanoid, possible healing, communication, repeated this 3 time....As long as you have peace in your eyes and love in your heart you will be ok.
.25 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ch0z05/potentially_multiple_ufos_edgewood_nm_42924/ video, nighttime sky, fleet, repeat visitors, contemporaneous report, edgewood new Mexico, past few weeks I started to see just one random bright light in the sky. A few nights later there were two lights circling around each other. A few nights later three lights so on and so forth.
.26 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ch1x7weird_object_in_sky_castle_rock_colorado/ photos, daytime sky, single dark object, stationary observed, possibly pacing car, elongated, V-shaped or worm 🪱, plane for comparison observed, witness looked away and looked back, vanished, as the plane went to pass the object, a semi blocked my view. When we got past the semi, the object was gone, and the plane was continuing to fly. , castle rock Colorado, powerlines, low over ridgeline,
.27 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ch6ogj/plane_drone_or_ufo/ video, nighttime sky, st augustine Florida, single light object moving, multicolored, silent, repeat visitor,
.28 ➡️ https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ch80cf/orb_ufo_megapost_connecting_the_dots/ original compilation, single light object, characteristics, [GOODPOST], discussion of orbs
.29 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1chcsul/possibly_ufos/ video, nighttime sky, threelights, line formation, angled from the horizon, from car, contemporaneous report, possibly pacing car
.30 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1chd7uj/super_bright_flashing_light_and_orb_over_dc/ video and video from home security camera, nighttime sky, at home, outside bedroom window, single light object, toward the Capitol building Washington DC, smaller objects accompany it, flashing in pattern, powerlines, very bright, possibly illuminating clouds, [GOODPOST], similar sighting in comments
.31 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cho7s7/ufo_i_saw_in_my_backyard/ video, nighttime sky, threelights, close triangle formation, horizontal orientation, horizontal trajectory, low over rooftop, silent, at home, backyard, emotional reaction shock and happiness https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1chocey/moving_white_orb/ same OP, different event, video, nighttime sky, single light object moving, low over treeline, tuskegee alabama, satellite?
.32 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1chpq8v/freinds_video_of_ufo/ video, possible metapod type, daytime
.33 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1chf798/disappearing_lights_over_oconee_county_ga/ sighting description, fleet, appearing and vanishing, plane for comparison observed, possible interaction with airplane, they were waiting for the airspace to clear before doing anymore shenanigans. All of a sudden no activity for a couple minutes, then a plane would fly overhead and once he cleared the airspace it would start right back up., contemporaneous report, Oconee County Georgia, nighttime, duration 10 minutes , trajectory change, one light travel from left to right come to stop for a second and then proceed to travel back in the opposite direction right to left, moving and stationary and moving, brightness change, flareup and dimming, additional single light object low below treeline, possible animal reaction coyotes going crazy and neighbors dogs barking insane right at the time of peak activity.
.34 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cgw198/april_27_2am_star_split/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, just off I5 Los Banos California, single light object, lighting configuration change, splitting, twolights, one stationary and one moving, repeat visitor, downvoted to zero https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1chirrg/april_28th_los_banos_ca/ same OP, the next day, video, nighttime, [GOODPOST], threelights, triangle formation, flying in formation, similar sighting same area in comments
.35 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1chj6ot/strange_lights_over_worcester_ma_usa/ sighting description, nighttime, duration 20 minutes, witness followed it, from car, fleet, threelights, from car, Worcester Massachusetts, possible formation change, flying pretty high up when the lights appeared more clustered, and when flying low the lights appeared more linear, silent, circling, it was making large circles above the city. , moving slowly, jumpy movement, when I looked away for a bit it looked like it was off in the distance further than I would expect for how slow it was. There was a red 🔴 light, but no discernible green light. I think there was a blinking white light., downvoted to zero
.36 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1chjolg/was_it_a_ufo/ sighting description, southwest Nova Scotia Canada 🇨🇦, single light object, orange 🟠, trail formed, stationary and moving, witness looked away and looked back, vanished, when I looked back it was gone. I kept looking at the sky to see it and I could faintly see it moving in and out of view, there were no clouds I don’t think but it was faint as it moved out of view around the house., disappeared behind rooftops
.37 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1chkcc2/ufo_sighting_in_vienna/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, urban area, Floridsdorfer Markt Vienna Austria 🇦🇹 , single light object moving, possible trajectory change, satellite?
.38 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/1ch2mqq/i_had_several_strange_and_terrifying_experiences/ childhood experience description, possible abduction, near Naples Italy 🇮🇹, entities, inside bedroom, repeat visitors, at home, nighttime, witness woke up, fleet, inside bedroom, stationary, These lights were green-ish in color, had the most bizarre shapes, and were slightly fluorescent. , emotion of fear, physical effects goosebumps and paralysis, hyperventilated and started sweating profusely., possible men in black response to telling the story on Reddit, [GOODPOST]
.39 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/1chrgft/what_is_it_ufo/ photo, nighttime sky, single light object, trail, haze, curved trajectory, Samara Russia 🇷🇺, rocket launch?
.40 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/1chir0j/fast_uap_passing_sta video, nighttime sky, single dim object moving fast
.41 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/1ch44dd/for_people_who_experience_way_too_many_tech_issues/ discussion of humans causing electronic effects
.42 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1chuvn5/this_is_a_recreation_has_anyone_seen_something/ video recreation of sighting description, nighttime, brief duration, jumpy movement, plane-shaped, had no dimension to it. It looked more like an image than a physical object. , has anyone seen?, white-blueish, over water, Manahawkin bay new jersey, https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1chw8e6/repost_this_is_a_recreation_has_anyone_seen/ reposted
.43 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1chvyjw/completely_stationary_hovering_silver_sphere_nea sighting description, has anyone seen?,single light object, metallic sphere, stationary, reaction to being observed, vanishing, repeat visitor, made two passes, electronic effects camera can't detect it, I tried to get a better view with my eyes and poof it seriously just vanished. , near USAF, DMAFB, tuscon Arizona
.44 https://old.reddit.com/Experiencers/comments/1ch845u/my_experience_with_a_blue_jellyfish_object_as_a/ childhood sighting description or dream, at home, nighttime, near water, reservoir, witness woke up, light shining in bedroom window, golden, single object irregular shape, blue 🔵, gigantic flying jellyfish 🪼 with rings of rotating smoky tentacles. The inner ring dropped down and rotated around the surface of the water. the jellyfish was taking on water., dull, sort of golden titanium looking, mirror-type panels that would distort everything in the field of view as they passed., emotional reaction shock, communication, "This is nothing. You should go back to bed.", saw something I wasn't supposed to., compelled to go to sleep, [GOODPOST]
.45 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ci995p/high_altitude_ufo_sightings/ sighting descriptions, repeat visitors, Washington state, single light object moving, pulsating, trajectory change, subsequent single light object moving fast, wavy trajectory, subsequent single light object, trajectory change, contemporaneous report, has anyone seen?
.46 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cij45u/what_is_this_thing_floating_over_bali_indonesia/ photo, nighttime cloudy sky, single dark object, irregular shape, vertical orientation, stationary, duration 30 minutes, contemporaneous report, happening at time of posting, urban area, Bali Indonesia 🇮🇩, kite?
.47 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/1cigpvb/what_could_this_be/ video, nighttime sky, from home security camera, electronic effects motion detection, northern Wisconsin,single light object moving, descending below treeline, illuminating trees
.48 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/1ci471l/what_are_these_flashing_red_lights/ sighting description and video, nighttime sky, single light object, green 🟢, flashing erratically, repeat visitor, I keep seeing a green light in my neighbors backyard, always around 5:30am, when there are typically no lights back there. , Kalamazoo Michigan
.49 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/1ci1v99/took_a_flight_42924_saw_uap/ sighting description and reference image, from airplane, east coast USA, daytime, single light object, metallic sphere, moving fast, I saw a metal sphere fly fast, really fast, past and slightly above the airplane going to opposite direction we were flying., possible porthole, similar sightings in comments
.50 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/1cijlvt/my_wife_took_this_pic_last_yea photo, nighttime sky, threelights, triangle formation, low over treeline, near airport
.51 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/1chvltt/ive_seen_a_ufo_sighting_today/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, from airplane, from Birmingham the UK 🇬🇧 to Seville Spain 🇪🇸, daytime cloudy sky, single dark object, possible interaction with airplane, witness felt observed, large black object in the clouds. It was tall and rectangular and then kind of went on its side and became thin and wide and flew off away from us., two witnesses
.52 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cin2lh/my_terrifying_true_childhood_story_a_ufo_turns/ childhood sighting description, Goole in East Yorkshire the UK 🇬🇧, at home, nighttime, witness woke up, flying saucer, outside bedroom window, also had several small bright lights spinning around as it moved in the sky., single object multiple lights, rotating, audio description faint humming sound., event amnesia, For whatever reason however, I quickly forgot about what I saw that night ., repeat visitor or second object, daytime, multiple witnesses, single object, disk shape, approach, flew overhead, emotion of fear in other witnesses, left the area, When I look back to what I think is a "UFO", all of a sudden what I'm seeing isn't a flying saucer, but an RAF fighter jet flying dangerously low before it quickly turns and flies away. , mimicking airplane, similar sighting in comments, [GOODPOST] https://old.reddit.com/ufouk/comments/1cin9sh/my_terrifying_true_childhood_story_a_ufo_turns/ reference images
.53 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cinow3/heres_a_compilation_of_cases_where_ufos_used/ original compilation, historical events, light beams, bending or pulling
.54 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cipk67/what_could_it_be/ video, hard to see , spotlights type
.55 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cipw6p/what_is_this/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, single light object, diffuse, spiral trail, rocket launch?, Finland 🇫🇮, similar sighting in comments from Sweden 🇸🇪 and Poland 🇵🇱 , https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ciq28y/now_from_ukraine/ Ukraine 🇺🇦
.56 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cistzk/ufos_filmed_in_natick_massachusetts/ video, nighttime sky, fleet, Pagan Hill in Natick Massachusetts, two witnesses, contemporaneous report, red, submission statement issues, removed
.57 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cjbmdn/top_left/ video, daytime cloudy sky, single light object, splitting, submission statement issues
.58 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cj2il1/ufo_info_from_sighting_10_years_ago/ sighting description, downvoted to zero, nighttime, two witnesses, single light object, blue 🔵, approach, moving fast and stationary overhead, possibly rotating, doing sort of a twirl motion., physical effects paralysis, transfixed, emotion of fear and awe, sudden departure upward, zoomed out of view slightly angled and up into the sky going from its original shape to a dot that disappeared into darkness as it went further and faster away., witnesses left the area, we immediately ran back down the driveway to his house. The sense of fear and dread was very real.Near the Devil's Tramping ground in North Carolina, silent
.59 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cisc8c/unshared_footage_of_2021_canadian_sighting/ sighting description, Richmond British Columbia Canada 🇨🇦, nighttime, observed moving and stationary and moving, flareup or size change,
.60 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/1cj3icg/ufo_caught_in_waterloo_ny_may_1st_2024/ video, daytime sky, contemporaneous report, single light object, elongated, horizontal orientation, tictac, horizontal trajectory, moving slowly, plane for comparison, waterloo new York state
.61 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/1cj7x9u/if_this_alien_abduction/ experience description, possible abduction, physical effects pain
.62 https://old.reddit.com/StrangeEarth/comments/1ciymal/strange_light/ experience description and video, no craft, from home security camera, single flash, illuminating trees, from the sky in front of me I got hit with a white/bluish laser for a split second, brief duration
.63 https://old.reddit.com/UFOB/comments/1cisg7c/taken_in_upstate_ny_today/ photo, daytime sky, contemporaneous report, single dark object, elongated, plane for comparison, angled from the horizon, upstate new York state,
.64 https://old.reddit.com/CLOUDS/comments/1cicotduring_flight_what_is_this_discshaped_cloud/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, from airplane, cloud anomaly, disk shape
.65 https://old.reddit.com/CLOUDS/comments/1ciawdu/may_1_silent_lighting_storm_south_us/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, diffuse light flashing erratically, silent, lightning anomaly , southern USA
.66 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cjfj7k/i_know_this_isnt_a_ufo_but_i_would_really_like_to/ photos, daytime sky, contemporaneous report, airplane anomaly, Richmond Virginia, 2 very, very large rings, with an airplane/jet going straight up. It was going faster than any plane I've seen go across the sky., powerlines, duration 5 minutes
.67 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cje9ei_saw_a_ufo_when_i_was_13_now_21_and_i_used_ai_to/ sighting description and drawing, single dark object, jellyfish 🪼, dark black "ballish" drone flying towards me., approach, flew overhead, audio description humming sound, It had tentacles coming out of it. , I saw them expand and contract individually., downvoted to zero
.68 ➡️ https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cjla34/kinross_plane_sighting/ sighting description and reference image, airplane anomaly, from car, contemporaneous report, daytime, highway 61 about an hour north of Duluth Minnesota, low over water, lake superior, I saw this plane hovering about 300ft above ground, just offshore over the water, single object, stationary, mimicking airplane, The props were not even moving., two witnesses, emotional reaction freaked out, overwhelmed, shock, Pupils really dilated, couldn't control my body temp, lots of frantic pacing., historical event, Kinross incident, dark green RCAF C47 Dakota., [GOODPOST], silent
.69 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cjn0qo/any_idea_what_this_light_could_have_been/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, fourlights, diffuse, spotlights type, splitting, circling, merging, long Island New York state, observed duration 2 minutes, felt compelled to look up, something told me to look up and it was very gloomy., felt like something huge was above the clouds projecting these lights.,
.70 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cjqfc7/oc_i_wasnt_going_to_post_this_but_it_just_looks/ video, daytime cloudy sky, single dark object, low over rooftop, elongated, vertical orientation, observed descending, jellyfish 🪼 or squid 🐙 , bountiful Utah, at home , [GOODPOST] , three witnesses
.71 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1cjv2da/day_of_the_eclipse_njny/ photos, daytime cloudy sky, eclipse day, multiple objects, dark, moving fast, new jersey , downvoted to zero, video analysis requested
.72 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ck2whw/is_this_a_balloon/ video, daytime cloudy sky, single dark object, irregular shape, possible star 🌟 shaped, wobbling, descending below rooftop, balloon 🎈?, urban area, Upper East Side NYC New York state, contemporaneous report, duration 30 seconds https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ck3rf8/is_this_a_ballon/ reposted
.73 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/1cjnqfk/my_experience_with_the_marfa_lights_the_entities/ sighting description, three witnesses, Marfa Lights, Marfa Texas, single red 🔴 light blinking., lighting configuration change to threelights, line formation, vertical orientation, appeared out of nowhere , Then directly below it another red light starts pulsating. Then a third until there's 3 lights in a vertical row pulsating, Then they go solid red. And slowly start to hover in all directions. Then fade in and out. , appearing and vanishing, formation change, color change, multicolored, splitting, duration 2 hours, emotional reaction shock, paralysis, transfixed, I was jaw dropped in shock. I had a camera. I'm a professional cinematographer. And I never lifted my camera., felt compelled to look, something told me to "listen" and not document., sudden departure, all 5 lights quickly shot into a horizontal line and turned blue. Then they faded away., apathy in other witness, witness followed it, fleet observed, witness went to sleep, subsequent entities, inside bedroom, At the edge of the bed, was standing 3 tall silhouettes of skinny long, big headed entities. , emotion of fear, sudden departure, repeat visitors, human initiated contact, similar sightings in comments, [GOODPOST]
.74 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/1cjw9ks/im_gonna_just_leave_this_right_hererandomly_found/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, single object blackwhite, not seen by eye, possible disk shape with dome, urban area, powerlines, near water Atlantic Ocean, Freeport Grand bahama The Bahamas 🇧🇸
.75 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ck4214/october_26th_2022/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, Kennewick Washington state, single light object flashing in pattern, low below treeline, possible single object multiple lights, stationary
.76 https://old.reddit.com/Thetruthishere/comments/1cjzedo/clown_doll_in_my_ceiling_talking_to_me/ childhood sighting description, entity, repeat visitor, at home, inside bedroom, communication
.77 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ck60dj/is_that_a_weather_baloon/ video, daytime cloudy sky, single light object, splitting, twolights, rotating around each other, plane for comparison, contemporaneous report, urban area, Vienna Austria 🇦🇹
.78 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ck6di0/strange_lights_at_the_hollywood_bowl_last_night/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, two witnesses, Hollywood California, single light object, loops, doing something similar to a figure 8 movement, has anyone seen?
.79 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ck9b1y/what_is_that/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, single light object, multicolored, contemporaneous report, urban area, st Petersburg Florida, low over rooftop , near water, gulf of Mexico, possible smaller objects accompany it, as I zoomed in that video I noticed three black dots that seemed to be hovering over the flashing circle in which would become distorted., Sirius?
.80 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ckaznc/whats_this/ photo, daytime sky, single light object, elongated, horizontal orientation, tictac, horizontal trajectory, northwestern Ontario Canada 🇨🇦, duration 10 minutes, downvoted to zero in 27 minutes,
.81 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ckb8xo/something_spotted_in_north_london_today/ video, daytime cloudy sky, contemporaneous report, urban area, North London England the UK 🇬🇧, single light object, flickering, vanishing, plane for comparison observed
.82 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/1ckbept/are_those_stars/ video recreation of sighting description, nighttime, from car, unusual route, anomalous silence, two witnesses, Utah, fleet, formation change, sudden departure downward, the formation of stars began to move, they would condense and expand in the space between them. Then, in an instant, they flew down to the earth below.
.83 https://old.reddit.com/astrophotography/comments/1ck93y3/meteor_captured_last_night_3rd_may_2024_by/ photo, nighttime sky, single light object moving fast, angled from the horizon, meteor?, plane for comparison
.84 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ckcb2y/object_id_help/ video, nighttime sky, Panamint Valley California, three witnesses, single light object, appeared out of nowhere, yellow 🟡, crescent 🌙 shape, approach, flew overhead, color change to white, flareup, diffuse, haze, The light appeared as semicircular “wings” on either side, with gaps in front of and behind of the object., moving fast, silent, vanishing and reappearing, lighting configuration change, the bright lights were in a ring shape,,SpaceX?
.85 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1ckpybw/2013_middle_of_nowhere_texas/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, powerlines, fleet or single object multiple lights, horizontal orientation, powerlines, at home, backyard, south of San Antonio Texas, appeared out of nowhere, brief duration, vanishing, line of light appears and lasts only a brief moment. It looked like they “glistened?” in and out.,
.86 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/1ckl5iv/this_appears_regularly_hoping_its_a_drone_nz_btw/ photo, nighttime sky, repeat visitor, new zealand 🇳🇿, single light object, low over treeline,
.87 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/1cklvx8/planehelicopter_2nd_light/ video, nighttime sky, single light object moving, descending at an angle, plane for comparison, urban area
.88 https://old.reddit.com/atoptics/comments/1ckr8rx/black_vertical_line_in_sky/ video, daytime cloudy sky, cloud anomaly, vertical contrail, dark, contemporaneous report, Bath England the UK 🇬🇧

Day 10: Temenos the holy hand grenade

Ok, so I think today is gonna be doing some of the characters chapters. Most notably, Ochette and temenos’, as if I beat Temenos’ story, I can get the battle tested axe, which is a very powerful weapon that boosts ice and lightning damage. In addition, it also gives the hollowed rod, which is definitely a better weapon for Temenos as it boosts light potency. Oh, and there’s also heavenly shine, which is an utterly insane damage spell.
For ochette, it also gives us provoke beasts on her and her chapter 3 area unlocks the tornado bow, which is needed for Agnea as it increases wind potency. However, the darkling is one of the hardest final chapter bosses due to it having 4 phases, meaning we can’t kill it unless it goes through all 4.
Anyways, I decide to go for temenos first. I think he gives the most for the least amount of effort on me. I also get elemental augmentation on him, as I currently don’t have it and that’s very much needed.
I know that deputy cubaryi can set up infinite reflect, so I need to kill her almost immediately or things will become really bad. This may seem easy, but she isn’t actually weak to any elements. I need to change up my team a bit.
I decided to go in with merchant Agnea, cleric hikari, dancer Osvald and scholar temenos. Temenos can break anything with his latent power, so giving him the scholar job means he can do around 5-7 hits that will hopefully break her. She only has 5 shields at first, so I should definitely be able to break her quickly.
Anyways, Cubaryi time. Osvald is up first and uses advanced magic on himself for later. Agnea then uses windy refrain for 1578 damage and to get everybody ahead. Hikari then uses Empoison and temenos defends.
On the next turn, Temenos 2 boosts with his latent power using elemental barrage, breaking Cubaryi and dealing around 7650 damage. Agnea uses her latent power with peacock strut to boost everyone’s elemental attack. Osvald uses elemental barrage for around 5250 damage and hikari uses Empoison again.
Next turn, hikari fully boosts with compound formulae for around 19500 damage, and knocks her to yellow health. Osvald fully boosts with his latent power, using firestorm for the win, dealing almost 20000 damage with 2 9999 damage attacks.
Well that was fun. I actually had to switch up my strategy and it actually worked out pretty well. Anyways, I went over to crackridge to do his crackridge chapter 2. I never actually did it in this order, so that’s interesting. Anyways, for temenos’ chapter 4, i'm using the same party but switch them back to their normal subjobs (scholar hikari, cleric Osvald and dancer Temenos)
Also on the way after completing his crackridge route, I got deal more damage on Osvald and temenos. In addition, on my way to Temenos’ chapter 4, I encountered a cultured cait. Unfortunate that ochette wasn’t in the party, but it got everyone a level at least.
On my way to Kaldena, the party ended up dying to some revenants. That’s a bit foreboding, I hope that isn’t a foreshadowing as to what’s to come. After I died to another encounter on the way when I was almost there, I gave temenos evasive maneuvers and evil ward.
As soon as I was in rifted rock, I found the hallowed rod and gave it to Temenos. It does have less elemental attack than the spiritlord staff, but it increases light potency so it will deal more damage overall. Anyways, onto Kaldena.
First up is hikari, who uses elemental barrage on Kaldena, knocking off 2 shields and dealing around 2000 damage. Osvald does the same aswell but knocks off no shields and deals around 2500 damage. Agnea uses windy refrain which knocks off a shield and deals 2000 damage. Temenos uses sweeping gale which knocks off a shield for 1400 damage.
Agnea then uses peacock strut with her latent power, boosting everyone’s elemental attack. Osvald then uses elemental barrage and knocks off two shields for around 3400 damage. Hikari then uses elemental barrage knocking off 1 shield and dealing 2200 damage. Temenos then breaks Kaldena with a sweeping gale for 2000 damage.
Next turn, hikari fully boosts with compound formulae for around 17100 damage. Temenos then fully boosts with holy light for 16800 damage and knocks her to yellow. Agnea then fully boosts with sweeping gale for 18000 damage and Osvald fully boosts and use his latent power with luminescence for 21700 damage.
Kaldena does her speech and turns into the dancer of the boreal valley, then descends darkness, changes weaknesses then uses thrash knocking out Osvald, with everyone else at low health. Hikari uses analyze which reveals its at 9800 health. Ok, perfect. Agnea then uses windy refrain to get everyone ahead and deals 1000 damage. Healing is reduced, but I decide to use refreshing jam on temenos which unfortunately only gets him to half health. Darn, I thought it’d get me to full. Oh well.
Temenos then boosts once which a holy light for 1628 damage, hikari uses a compound formulae at one boost for around 1800 damage. Agnea uses windy refrain for around 670 damage. Kaldena then boosts her actions to 3 and then kills Temenos.
Ok, so she should be at around 6330 health. I think 2 soul stones is enough to kill. I use a light soul stone with Agnea which deals 3509 damage. Ok, one more. I’ve only got shadow so I don’t know if it will kill as I’ve been rounding certain values. So hikari throws it and… it gets the kill.
Wooo. Ok. That was close. I did have to use soul stones but luckily I was able to win first try. Anyways, Kaldena dropped the eclipse edge, which I gave to hikari as compound formulae deals dark damage and that’s what it raises. I also now have heavenly shine on temenos, which will be useful eventually once I get a lot of SP on him.
So, that boss fight kinda taught me that I’m probably not ready for the darkling. It’s got 4 phases and it needs to go through each. I think I’ll just finish up some other chapter 3s (or 4s in the case of hikari, Osvald and Agnea) then maybe grind.
I definitely need that cultured cait for the late game, as it’s one of the best healing move I can get, so probably after I beat some chapter 3s, I’ll get to finding the cait.
Right now, I’m using my lowest leveled party members, which happen to be ochette, hikari, Osvald and temenos. I’m doing this because I want to get everyone equally leveled for the late game. Temenos is already done his story, so I can’t actually do his chapters anymore, and Ochette is off the table so I decide to go with Osvald’s first.
Osvald’s is the lowest level, so it’s probably best to get it out of the way. Before that, I give Temenos the stimulating ring, as that will increase his heavenly shine damage. I also give Ochette the sublime ornamental armour, as I forgot to do that lol. Ok, onto Osvald’s chapter 4 with inventor ochette, scholar hikari, cleric Osvald and dancer Temenos.
Harvey’s creations were easy, now onto the grieving golem. First up is Osvald with an elemental barrage dealing around 2400 damage but knocks off no shields. Ochette then uses mahina to knock off a shield and Temenos uses holy light to knock off another for 1900 damage. Hikari then uses compound formulae for around 2000 damage and knocks off a shield.
Ochette then uses the windy remainant with hellwind to knock off one shield for 900 damage. Temenos then uses holy light but the grieving golem is next and attacks everyone and uses dissolving darkness on hikari, which drains SP, HP, and BP. Osvald advanced magic on himself and hikari uses compound formulae to knock off a shield for only 1500 damage. Seems like it also decreases elemental power.
Next turn, hikari is able to use compound formulae for the break dealing around 1800 damage. Ochette then uses beastly howl to lower elemental defence, as Osvald uses advanced magic on temenos. Temenos then uses heal wounds with one boost to fully heal everyone except hikari.
Osvald the fully boosts, using his latent power with radiance for a raw 22000 damage. Hikari then 2 boosts with compound formulae for around 6700 damage. Ochette then fully boosts to use glacius, dealing 15000 damage and temenos uses divine brilliance for the win with 34000 damage. Nice.
It was definitely not the most optimal thing I could have done, as I probably should have used leghold trap on the first turn, but it was easy nonetheless.
The party I just used is now around the same level as the rest of them, so I swap out Ochette for Agnea and head toward her chapter 4. First I do need to do her chapter 3 but that has now fights in it so I’ll skip the explanation.
Ok onto Veronica and up first is hikari. Hikari uses compound formulae to knock off 2 shields and deals around 2500 damage. Temenos then defends to conserve SP for later and Agnea goes for a windy refrain for 1720 damage. Osvald then uses advanced magic on temenos for later.
Next turn, Temenos defends again as Agnea uses ember to knock off a shield for 2251 damage. Osvald uses elemental barrage hoping for the break… which he doesn’t get but he deals around 3000 damage and knocks off 2 shields, which hikari uses compound formulae to break and deals around 3800 damage.
Next turn, Temenos fully boosts with divine brilliance for the win with 54000 damage. Woah, WHAT?! Did not expect that to happen. How’d he deal so much damage? Is it her elemental defence? Oh man, imagine that with critical scope or peacock strut.
Anyways, I think I can do one more character’s chapter for today and that’s hikari’s chapter 4 with Rai Mei. For it, I’m bringing scholar hikari, inventor ochette, armsmassti and dancer Temenos. Let’s do this.
I uh, forgot about the flashback cutscene with hikari in this chapter. I only have physical skills. I am gonna count it as a cutscene, even though it isn’t as you can technically lose, so it doesn’t actually count. I should actually put that in the rules.
I addition, on my way to Rei Mei, hikari was able to get Alephan’s wisdom. This is perfect for the late game, as it literally allows up to nuke with temenos or Osvald. Anyways, Rei Mei time.
First up is cassti who uses concoct for a pomegranate leaf and diffusing serum. Ochette then uses beastly how, knocking off 1 shield off everyone and lowering their elemental defence. Temenos then uses luminescence for 1100 damage and hikari uses compound formulae for 2200 damage and it breaks the guards Rei Mei had.
Next turn, Ochette fully boosts and uses glacius for around 7500 damage on Rei Mei and killing the guards. Castti then fully boosts and uses 4 lilies of light and a strengthening serum for 5600 damage. Hikari then fully boosts and uses Alephan’s wisdom on temenos who then uses sacred effulgence for the win with 47000 damage.
Damn!!! I forgot how OP heavenly shine was. No wonder the only light boosting equipment is staffs, if there was just one more I think I would be dealing almost max damage.
Anyways, I think that’s all for today. Even though I have Sacred effulgence now, I doubt it will help again the darkling due to its phase. However, I think I may be able to do it next session. Anyways, have a great day/night and see you need time.
Levels and subjobs at the end of the session:

• Arcanist Throné: 43
• Cleric Osvald: 35
• Dancer Temenos: 36
• Merchant Agnea: 35
• Thief Partitio: 36
• Scholar Hikari: 37
• Armsmaster Castti: 36
• Inventor Ochette: 36

I was scolded today by my surgeon (which I was warned would probably happen eventually) for saying my knee can bend to 125 degrees at 5 weeks post-op. I explained it was just from seeing how far I could bend it at the start of every PT session when they measure it, and then he proceeded to say they’re all cowboys over there (at the clinic I go to for PT), and they’re placing bets with house money. Surgeon said I should NOT be trying to bend past what his protocol states, even if I happen to have that ROM without pain or resistsnce because I could “damage the graft.” We all know this surgeon is old school and conservative, but I still need reassurance I guess. My PT is very happy with where I’m at, but I won’t see him until next week and now I’m paranoid I may do something to put my recovery at risk, like let my knee bend too much? Is my graft really in danger from bending past certain degrees if there’s no resistance? My PT told me the most stress on an ACL comes from the first 10-15 degrees of flexion - so I’m confused at what to believe or feel safe doing now.
Context: I have BPTB allograft with dissolvable screws, and one stitch in my meniscus. Surgeon instructed me to weight bear as tolerated immediately after surgery. 2 weeks in straight leg immobilizer, then into a sport brace whenever weight bearing up until 7 weeks.

part of SAG's Plant Lighting Guide
last update: 21 April 2024
TL;DR- you may want to experiment using low color temperature white lights rather than high color temperature white lights for growing some microgreens and try having the lights on 24 hours per day with the lower color temperature. A lower color temperature may allow you to run your microgreens at high lighting levels for greater photosynthesis. 200-400 uMol/m2/sec is the norm for most microgreens, but some of the papers below show mixed results and promote using a lower PPFD and I've seen commercial growers promote around 100 uMol/m2/sec. Most people's hobby grow ops I see online are likely growing at a lower PPFD.
Although I'm only an amateur grower and experimenter when it comes to microgreens (I have far more experience with cannabis), I did take the time to skim over about 30 peer reviewed papers on the subject of microgreen lighting that are linked below, and I do know the technical aspects of the theory along with almost three decades of indoor growing experience. I'm merely offering some opinions here as it pertains to microgreens.
This YouTube channel has done far more light testing with microgreens than I have done:

• On The Grow YouTube channel --he points out very well how light geometry makes a difference.

Be careful of assumptions
A major issue with making broad statements about very optimal microgreen lighting is that you're dealing with a variety of different plant species: radish, basil, pea etc. With cannabis for example, you're dealing with a single species, and even then different cultivars can have different optimal results in light quantity (the PPFD) and light quality (the SPD or spectral power distribution i.e. the specific wavelengths). Even the optimal photoperiod can be different with different cannabis cultivars according to the very latest research.
This higher variety notion can be magnified even further with microgreens because the same species of a microgreen can have different cultivars with very different optical characteristics in their leaves e.g.- sweet basil with green leaves and purple basil with purple leaves due to the very high anthocyanin content. Another example would be the red radish cultivars versus the green ones. Different cultivars can also have different specific light sensitive protein expressions (although not a microgreen, different tomato cultivars can have very different reactions to light particularly the photoperiod, as an example).
Don't assume that all microgreens have the same optimal lighting conditions.
Don't make assumptions about your light intensity- get a light meter down at canopy levels using a light meter that is cosine corrected and that has a remote sensor head, and not a potentially unreliable phone app.
Don't assume that you can grow hemp microgreens which can be legally problematic without a license in many states in the US like Nevada, even with the Agriculture Improvement Act of 2018. It costs several thousand dollars to get fully licensed to grow hemp in Nevada and I don't know how the state mandated harvest report would work with hemp microgreens. I believe Arizona has a maximum 14 day old hemp seedling standard for microgreens.
Don't assume a commercial grower actually understands lighting theory. I have yet to meet anyone IRL outside a plant growth lab and very few people online who understand the technical aspects of the theory. I have seen "experts" promote certain wavelengths for plants of pigments only found in algae, for example.
Light intensity and measurement
In horticulture the light intensity is the PPFD (photosynthetic photon flux density) measured in micromoles of photons per square meter per second. I write it as uMol/m2/sec although it's often written as µmol m-2 s-1. With white light, and white light only, we can use lux instead of uMol/m2/sec (1) <---read the notes below. For a white light with a CRI of 70 or 80 we can use 70 lux = 1 uMol/m2/sec and be within 10% true all of the time of a quantum light meter (assuming both meters are properly calibrated). With modern phosphors using 73 lux = 1 uMol/m2/sec and be within 5% most of the time.
For a CRI 90 white light we can use 63 lux = 1 uMol/m2/sec and be within 10% all of the time and 65 lux = 1 uMol/m2/sec to be within 5% most of the time. For the sun we use 55 lux = 1 uMol/m2/sec. To be noted, most professional quantum meters claim no better than 5% absolute accuracy although the good ones I've measured were closer to within 1% as measured with my spectroradiometer. Cheap quantum light meters like the $150 one by Hydrofarm can be a crapshoot due to the sensor used (horrible design!), and the cheap LightScout meters can be problematic from an even different type of sensor used although they will be good enough for white light for non-scientific use. Based on my testing, I would not trust cheap quantum light meters for color LEDs or blurple lights.
For common measurements I use the Apogee SQ-520 for PPFD and the Extech 401025 for lux. For complex measurements I use a Stellarnet Greenwave spectroradiometer.
I have an article on using lux meters instead of quantum light meters for white light with the theory of why we can do this accurately enough:

• Using a lux meter as a plant light meter

Due to cosine correction errors, unknown sensor errors depending on the specific phone, and the way that people tend to tilt their phone back when taking a reading, I do not recommend using your phone as a light meter no matter what app you may be using. You can get proper lux meters with a remote sensor head starting at $20-$30, and particularly as a professional or heading in that direction, it's irrational not to have a proper light meter when growing plants. Know your PPFD! Don't use lux meters with the red/blue "blurple" lights- that is a case where you want to use a proper quantum light meter unless you know the lux to uMol/m2/sec conversion value.
I have been generically using 200 uMol/m2/sec (around 15,000 lux) with microgreens but a review of the literature below shows that a higher PPFD may be more optimal for both yield and phenolic content. A lot of those papers below are showing around 300 uMol/m2/sec (around 22,000 lux) may be more optimal depending on the microgreen or even around 400 uMol/m2/sec for some microgreens like basil. Few if any papers promote 500 uMol/m2/sec and above for any microgreen and some promote in the 100 uMol/m2/sec range.
To me it never made sense to have any periods of darkness when growing any vegetative plant but in most plants we are not trying to grow with elongated stems so microgreens are a special case. With some microgreens we want a very elongated stem with very small and immature leaves.
For the 24/7 in vegetative growth argument, generally speaking crop plants don't get "tired" and need to "sleep" in a vegetative state unless perhaps grown at a very high PPFD. This can be demonstrated by measuring the net photosynthesis rate by measuring the amount of chlorophyll fluorescence a plant gives off (1-2% of the light absorbed by a plant is readmitted as far red light, the amount depends on the PPFD and how efficient photosynthesis is working in the plant). I can measure the amount of chlorophyll fluorescence using my spectroradiometer or by using a large area silicon photodiode with a far red filter with a high precision, high sensitivity bench top multimeter (Rigol 3068).
Below is an example of a shot off my spectroradiometer measuring far red chlorophyll fluorescence to measure photosynthesis efficiency. In this case I was seeing how long it takes radish microgreen to "wake up" (30-60 seconds from darkness) and "go to sleep" (3-5 minutes from lights on). Different lighting spectra can give a slightly different signature depending how far the light penetrates the sample leaf. I can use this technique to see how much light a plant can "handle" short and long term (there are also other techniques like measuring the photochemical reflectance index).

• chlorophyll fluorescence over a few minute period --this is the far red light being emitted by a plant and is radish microgreens "waking up" in this case. Each line represents 2 seconds. The greater the chlorophyll fluorescence at a given PPFD the lower the photosynthesis efficiency. It takes time for certain enzymes involved with photosynthesis to be activated when the lights first turn on.

So generally speaking, running the lights 24/7 is fine for most plants we grow as far as photosynthesis.
To be noted, it is important that microgreen trays have an even PPFD so there is even stem stretching which is a compelling reason to use tube style lights.
SAG tip: if you see people throw around specific wavelengths for photosynthesis, they probably are not understanding how photosynthesis works by wavelength. If you see someone saying you need certain wavelengths for specifically chlorophyll A and B then that is most definitely a red flag and they are likely misunderstanding relative absorption charts for chlorophyll dissolved in a solvent at a relatively low chlorophyll density, rather than how leaves actually work that have a very significantly higher chlorophyll density. The notion that certain wavelengths are needed for photosynthesis simply is not true and all of PAR (400-700 nm) can drive photosynthesis. See this article for the theory:

• Green leaves and green light: what's really going on

Here is an example "technical" article where the author very clearly does not understand the theory and there are many, many mistakes in it:

• https://hightimes.com/grow/from-the-archives-light-through-the-eyes-of-cannabis-2011/

The lighting spectrum
One of the grow goals of many microgreens is long stems. What many people will do is have a period of etiolation (complete darkness) in the beginning of the grow cycle or long periods of darkness each day which encourages acid growth (cellular elongation or stem "stretching") which is different from growth through photosynthesis. Acid growth is basically where the cell walls loosen up and are able to fill up with water. A lower PPFD and lower levels of blue light as a ratio of light also causes this stretching. We don't neccessarily gain any dry yield with increased acid growth beyond increased acid growth also cause leaves to be bigger (and thinner) and thus have a greater light capture area for greater photosynthesis in the individual microgreen, but we will gain a lot more wet yield and that's important with microgreens, particularly if the focus is on having longer stems.
Blue light typically has the greatest effect on plants as it pertains to acid growth through the cryptochrome and phototropin protein groups. Far red light can cause additional acid growth through the phytochrome protein group.

• wiki link to "acid growth hypothesis"

Any discussion on the shape of the plant brought on by light like extra stretching/acid growth gets into photomorphogenesis and how the above mentioned light sensitive proteins are being expressed.

• wiki link to "photomorphogenesis" --I'm so glad this wiki entry was cleaned up and made more accurate

This is what a typical blue action response chart looks like for blue light by the specific wavelength. It's sometimes called the "three finger action response" response in botany. Remember, this is not a photosynthesis chart:

• blue three finger response

An issue is that most people are using lights with a very high CCT which has a high amount of blue light (2). Blue light generally suppresses acid growth the most and suppresses overall photosynthesis rates a bit in most, but not all, modern peer reviewed articles on photosynthesis rates by different wavelengths. We can see this in the McCree curve where blue light has a lower photosynthesis rate than red light or even 550 nm middle green light (3).
To me it never made sense to use a very high color temperature like 6500K to grow most microgreens because the relatively high 30% or so blue light component may be working against your goal of having longer stems and larger leaves (4). Higher lighting levels also decrease acid growth/stem elongation which is the argument that by having a lower color temperature light that increases stem elongation, we can negate the effects of the higher lighting levels i.e. lower color temperature with less blue at a higher PPFD may be optimal for greater yield while still keeping the stems longer.
To illustrate this point I have some pictures below of radish and peas grown at a PPFD of 200 uMol/m2/sec with the lights on 24/7 for maximum daily photosynthesis rates (a DLI of about 17 mol/m2/day).
If you grow with red/blue "blurple" light instead of white light, you may want to choose a blurple light that has lower amounts of blue light if you want longer stems. Blurple has no green light and green light acts the opposite way than blue light on plants, so it may be worthwhile to use lower amounts of blue to get more stretching (some academics have speculated of unknown green light receptors in plants but I think the blue light proteins are simply reversible like the red/far red phytochrome proteins are).
I've seen a lot of people promote 6500K because it's closer to natural sunlight. That's a bad argument known as "appeal to nature". For example, natural sunlight also has a lot of far red light which will lower anthocyanins and phenolic compounds. A lot of studies coming out show that far red will also reduce yields in some plants. If one wants to appeal to nature then why aren't they also using high amounts of far red light at a red to far red ratio close to 1:1 like it is in nature? There is nothing natural about indoor growing under artificial light sources.
BTW, all white lights are "full spectrum" by definition of having adequate red, green and blue light components. Blurple lights are not "full spectrum" because they don't have green light. It could be the case that people who use the term "full spectrum" are also including some far red and a bit of UV. It's not a recognized industrial term as per ANSI/ASABE S640 and more of a marketing term, so take it for what it is.
pics of some results
To be clear, this is not exactly a peer reviewed study I'm doing, and I'm only showing a few pics to illustrate a point, not to make hard claims. My plant count is not high enough to make hard claims nor would I make hard claims using single small grow containers, nor do I have proper climate controlled grow chambers.
All microgreens I grow are normally at a PPFD of 200 uMol/m2/sec. They are grown with the lights on 24 hours per day with an ambient temperature of 75-80 degrees F and a relative humidity of around 20% in the Mojave Desert (you absolutely can grow microgreens in low humidity environments with experience and proper technique). My CO2 levels tend to be around 700-800 ppm when I'm home.
This is what the grow setup looks like with six, 2 gallon "space buckets" that each have a unique LED configuration (the dark one lower right is actually pure UV-A). Different wavelengths, different color temperatures, some can be pulsed. This allows me to brute force the problem in a relatively tiny area:

• six buckets on a shelf

I have found that you can get a fairly straight line in the results for peas at 2000K, 3000K, 5000K and pure blue. 2000K had the longest stems and the largest leaves.

• peas at various CCT and blue

Radish was a little different in that 2000K gave the longest stems and the largest leaves but the difference between 3000K and 5000K was not as large. But 2000K is the way that I'd grow radish with how I grow. I let these get a little larger than radish microgreens should be.

• radish at various CCT --microgreen radish is not normally grown this big and you would not want to eat those shown

I prefer to grow microgreens with a lower CCT and there can be a significant difference between 2000K and 3000K white light in the microgreens I've played with. I prefer to have the lights on 24 hours per day. Your results may vary.
What about adding far red light?
Far red is tricky when it comes to plants. High amounts of far red light will definitely increase acid growth so you will get longer stems. Far red will also easily penetrate through leaves to hit the stems even when leaves block other light (far red is also highly reflected by leaves and ~10% far red is actually being absorbed in a single pass depending on leaf thickness). Far red may help drive photosynthesis in a phenomenon called the Emerson effect (5).
Far red is well known to trigger the "shade avoidance" response in plants by increased acid growth through the phytochrome protein group. The shade avoidance response is simply additional acid growth.

• wiki link to "shade avoidance"

The issue is that you need a lot of far red light to really trigger this response to get the extra elongation, and in some of my personal experiments, far red light may reduce the amount of anthocyanins and this is supported in the literature below. It's almost never the case that we want reduced anthocyanins and "purple" is its own selling point (particularly in cannabis and not just microgreens).

• tomato seedlings example with and without far red --far red suppressed anthocyanins from forming in this case. We don't grow tomato microgreens due to the high alkaloid content in the leaves.

In this study below adding far red light decreased yields and phenolic levels. A lot of studies in plants are showing that far red has no effect on yields or reduces yields:

• Adding UVA and Far-Red Light to White LED Affects Growth, Morphology, and Phytochemicals of Indoor-Grown Microgreens

Far red LEDs do have the potential to have a much higher efficacy than other LEDs and a theoretical 100% efficient 735 nm far red LED would have an efficacy of 6.14 uMol/joule.
As an aside, far red has been a bust so far for cannabis in the literature with lower yields, lower cannabinoid levels, and potential delayed flowering. It could be the case that the benefit of far red is at extremely high, outdoor sunlight PPFD levels.
Why not grow with no blue light?
This may work but you need to experiment with the specific cultivar to make sure that you get the results that you want. Blue and UV can trigger increased anthocyanin production to make the microgreens more red or purple which can be a desirable aesthetic characteristic. Blue and UV can also trigger chemicals to increase the aroma in many plants (increased phenolic compounds) which can be an argument against using lower CCT lights that have less blue light.
Furthermore, in many types of leaves you will not get normal growth without some blue light, and have unequal cellular expansion in the leaf veins and the rest of the leaf material, resulting in leaves that are "crinkled" and unnatural looking. You can see this if you grow many (all?) lettuce cultivars under pure green or pure red light and is sometimes called "red light syndrome" as used in botany.
Although I've done pure green grows, a problem with green is that green LEDs themselves have a relatively low efficacy and efficiency known as the "green gap" in semiconductor physics. Nitride (blue) and phosphide (red) LEDs can be 80% and higher efficiency, but green lies in between those so the best efficiency right now is about 40% for some Cree LEDs and most are significantly lower. This translates to an efficacy of about 1.7 uMol/joule at best (remember that efficacy and efficiency conversion values are wavelength dependent).

• Mind the (green) gap --University Of Illinois Grainger College Of Engineering

Green light generally has the opposite effect on plants than blue light from a photomorphogenesis perspective such as increasing stretching rather than reducing stretching. Green may also reduce anthocyanin and other photochemical byproducts but this gets into how you define green. In many papers, "green" is defined as 500 nm (cyan) to 600 nm (amber) and 501 nm "green" may have different results from 599 nm "green" particularly with anthocyanins. We can actually run into the same definition problem to a lesser degree with "blue" in papers.
The latest Samsung white LM301H EVO LEDs have an efficacy of 3.14 uMol/joule (about 2.9 uMol/joule system efficacy depending on the LED driver) and an efficiency of 86% for the highest bin, so it doesn't make engineering sense to use green LEDs for horticulture when it's better from an energy use perspective to use a blue LED with a phosphor for the green light component. T8 non-LED fluorescent lights, by comparison, have an efficacy closer to 1 uMol/joule and T5 tubes are only a little better. Just say no to old style mercury vapor tube fluorescent lights!
Should you grow with very high CRI lighting?
No.
Very high (above 90) CRI lights have an additional deeper red phosphor(s) in the 660 nm range and a flatter lighting spectrum with shallower spectral dips that is closer to an ideal black body radiation source (which would be CRI 100). Most white LEDs use a 450 nm or so blue LED as the phosphor pump and all the rest of the light generated is through fluorescence of the phosphors. Very high CRI lights are less energy efficient.
If you want this deeper 660 nm or so red then you are better off from an energy consumption perspective to just use lower CRI lights and add 660 nm LEDs to the light source. The latest 660 nm red LEDs can have an efficacy of over 4 uMol/joules (low 80s% efficiency).
Having additional deeper red phosphors lowers the energy efficiency of the white LED by increasing the total Stokes shift (the difference between the 450 nm LED and the wavelength of the emitted light) in the white LED which is why higher CRI LEDs tend to run a bit hotter and have a lower efficacy.
You may want to use higher CRI lights where you prepare and serve food, though, because that extra deeper red will make colors look more natural and get red meats and red fruits/vegetables to "pop" in their appearance. Lower CRI makes colors appear dull and lifeless. Personally I think that low CCT but ultra high CRI lights can look a bit weird for general use (I have a 3000K CRI 97 DIY light by my bed).
I generally recommend CRI 80 grow lights with additional red LEDs as needed.
Gimmick lighting
I have enough experience to be very skeptical with any gimmick lighting and plants. Anything outside normal upper light and side or intracanopy lighting I consider gimmick lighting.
One type of gimmick lighting that might be worth exploring for microgreens is having far red only lights on during the dark period if using a more traditional dark period rather than lights on 24/7. The idea here would be to try to boost acid growth greater than etiolation for more stem stretching. Far red may be able to drive low levels of photosynthesis on its own (the photosynthetic drop off with far red light is called "red drop" in botany).
Pure UV-A is really a no-go. I've experimented with pure UV-A and microgreens and you'll get less photosynthesis using LEDs that are less efficient and end up with dwarfed plants that give a lower yield. You'd have to experiment if you get a significant anthocyanin or phenolic compound boost. UV-A LEDs are also less electrically efficient than PAR (400-700 nm) LEDs.
UV is pretty well known for increasing phenolic compounds. One idea may be to grow with very low blue light and then add UV light in the last 24 hours to try to boost phenolic compound and anthocyanin levels.
Pulsed light is supported in some literature to boost yields 10-15% in some plants although the results in literature are mixed. Instead of say 200 uMol/m2/sec of continuous light, you may use 400 uMol/m2/sec of light at a 50% duty cycle switched at perhaps 500 Hz. They will give the identical DLI (mol/m2/day) but the higher pulsed PPFD could trigger a boost in some photochemical reactions in addition to greater potential yield....maybe.
Pulsed light could be taken a step further and maybe pulse blurple light during one part of the 50% duty cycle, and pulse far red during the other part of the 50% duty cycle, as an example. I have no idea what that would do and just throwing out ideas. I would do this at a much higher frequency like 100 KHz (even most COBs I've pulsed work at >300 KHz and would be junction capacitance limited).
Conclusion
In conclusion, I don't know what's best for you and your particular setup. A trend in the literature below supports around 300 uMol/m2/sec may be best for many types of microgreens. Yield per energy consumption may be best at a lower PPFD, though. For me to completely light profile a specific microgreen would take a few months in my setup because I more than have to try a bunch of spectral combinations, I also have to try various PPFD combinations, and I can only do six combinations at once at a lower plant count.
If I optimal light profile a particular microgreen how much greater yield or greater phenolic compound levels am I really getting? At what point is one just being pedantic? What are the established professionals doing?
But, it may be worth it to try experimenting using lower CCT lights like 2000K at a higher PPFD to get the stems to stretch more and to have larger leaves. This may allow you to run the lights 24/7 for greater photosynthesis and faster harvesting times. You have to weigh this against the possibility of lower anthocyanin and phenolic compound levels than higher CCT lights. You would have to experiment.
I do know that there is some dogma (an authoritative opinion or belief presented as a fact) when it comes to microgreen lighting and vegetative plant lighting in general that may not be true.
Finally, in my opinion there is nothing special about 6500K lights for vegetative plant growth although this narrative is commonly pushed online.
notes
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What is white light is its own article and actually a complicated subject. My definition is not going to be that same as another person's definition and different industries have their own standards. I loosely define a white light source as a light source that collectively emits light that is on or near the Planckian locus of the CIE 1931 chromaticity diagram within a certain color temperature range, such as 2700K to 7000K.

• wiki link to Planckian locus

For the purpose of this article, I also define white as 2000K although many people would agree that 2000K would be an amber light source, but to me amber is a specific wavelength range. Bridgelux has a "white" LED with a CCT of 1750K that I would not consider white.
Correlated color temperature (CCT) is essentially the red to blue ratio of a white light source with a lower CCT having more red light and a higher CCT having more blue light (green light has nothing to do with CCT). "Correlated" is used because the color temperature of the artificial light source is correlated to the temperature of a light emitting black body radiation source like an incandescent light bulb or the sun in the temperature unit of Kelvin. We normally don't use "degrees" with Kelvin like Celsius or Fahrenheit because it's an absolute temperature scale. It's a "3000 Kelvin" light and not a "3000 degree Kelvin" light, for example.
Color rendering index (CRI) is how well a light source makes colors look compared to a black body radiation source like the sun. Plants don't care about the CRI. The important thing to know, however, is that higher CRI lights have additional deep red light being emitted.
You can look at very high versus lower CRI and CCT charts here:

• Bridgelux phosphor guide

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The whole idea of 6500K for veg growth gets down to what is the highest color temperature that can be tolerated to be used in shop lights, warehouse lights and the like because the higher amounts of blue light helps with dynamic visual acuity and alertness. It's also close to an illuminant standard used in photometry (standard D) and about where red/green/blue have the same ratio.
6500K lights can be a little more efficient due to the lower amount of Stokes shift in the phosphor (less light is being emitted through fluorescence rather than be directly from the blue LED that is used as the phosphor pump).
There's nothing special about 6500K in growing plants. Quartz metal halides used to be used as HID lighting for plants that had a color temperature of around 4000K.
As an aside, there's nothing particularly special about specifically 2700K lights in flowering other than we may want the reduced blue. 2700K is close to what incandescent bulbs are and why they are popular. HPS is around 2100K.
For modern cannabis growing, around 3500K is fairly typical as both a veg and flowering light, and 3500K CRI 80 is what I use as a standard control light.
(SAG tip for cannabis: if you have a separate higher CCT veg light and a lower CCT flowering light for cannabis, using the higher CCT light for the first two weeks of flowering will greatly help keep the cannabis plants more compact which can be important for tight growing spaces. In the HPS days, I'd encourage people to use metal halides for the first two weeks of flowering for cannabis)
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The McCree curve is only valid from a PPFD of 18-150 uMol/m2/sec and only for monochromatic light. There are papers to support that at a higher PPFD that green can drive photosynthesis greater than even red light due to red light becoming saturated on a leaf's surface while green light can penetrate and drive photosynthesis deeper in a leaf. In most leaves 80-90% of green light is being absorbed.

• The McCree Curve Demystified --Tessa Pocock, Photonics Magazine article
  
• Green Light Drives Leaf Photosynthesis More Efficiently than Red Light in Strong White Light: Revisiting the Enigmatic Question of Why Leaves are Green --Terashima et al, 2009
  

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This is close to the amount of blue light in a white light source:

• 2000K is about 3 or 4% blue
  
• 2700K is about 10% blue
  
• 3500K is about 15% blue
  
• 4200K is about 20% blue
  
• 6500K is about 30% blue
  

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Far red (700-750 nm) light "may" increase photosynthesis rates by increasing photochemical efficiency. There are two photosynthetic reaction centers, photosystems 1 and 2. PS2 comes first in the reactions and electrons can get "jammed" up when going from the PS2 to the PS1. PS1 can be driven by far red light so a little far red light can help clear up this electron "traffic jam". This is essentially how the Emerson effect works if adding far red to PAR light. But, the question is how well does it actually work and there are mixed results in actual modern testing.

• wiki link to "Emerson effect" --take the "far higher" photosynthesis claim with a big grain of salt

There has been a push to add far red in normal PAR (400-700 nm) measurements but this has not been adapted as an industry standard. I discuss this here:

• How Bruce Bugbee's ePAR has been rejected as an industrial standard.

links to open access literature
Remember that just because there are optimal conditions in a lab does not necessarily mean those results are optimal for a commercial grow operation.

• Intensity of Sole-source Light-emitting Diodes Affects Growth, Yield, and Quality of Brassicaceae Microgreens --blasting microgreens with high amounts of light may be a bad idea
  
• Light Intensity and Quality from Sole-source Light-emitting Diodes Impact Growth, Morphology, and Nutrient Content of Brassica Microgreens --mentions the role of gibberellins and not just auxins in acid growth. More light means smaller leaves.
  
• Effects of Light-Emitting Diode Light Irradiance Levels on Yield, Antioxidants and Antioxidant Capacities of Indigenous Vegetable Microgreens --you really have to look at the plant type to determine the optimal PPFD for stuff like phenolic compound levels. Highest yield per energy consumption is not neccessarily at a higher PPFD.
  
• Exploration on Using Light-Emitting Diode Spectra to Improve the Quality and Yield of Microgreens in Controlled Environments ---Ph.D thesis. TL;DR- greater blue decreases stem length and makes leaves smaller
  
• Growth and Appearance Quality of Four Microgreen Species under Light-emitting Diode Lights with Different Spectral Combinations
  
• Blue and Red LED Illumination Improves Growth and Bioactive Compounds Contents in Acyanic and Cyanic Ocimum basilicum L. Microgreens --there are some contradictions here with other research
  
• Continuous LED Lighting Enhances Yield and Nutritional Value of Four Genotypes of Brassicaceae Microgreens --continuous light generally increased anthocyanins and yield went up
  
• Hemp microgreens as an innovative functional food: Variation in the organic acids, amino acids, polyphenols, and cannabinoids composition of six hemp cultivars
  
• Continuous lighting can improve yield and reduce energy costs while increasing or maintaining nutritional contents of microgreens --uses low PPFD for a longer period
  
• LED irradiance level affects growth and nutritional quality of Brassica microgreens --330 and 440 uMol/m2/sec did best
  
• Updates on Microgreens Grown under Artificial Lighting: Scientific Advances in the Last Two Decades --meta study
  
• Effect of Different Ratios of Blue and Red LED Light on Brassicaceae Microgreens under a Controlled Environment
  
• Effect of end-of production continuous lighting on yield and nutritional value of Brassicaceae microgreens
  
• Blue versus Red Light Can Promote Elongation Growth Independent of Photoperiod: A Study in Four Brassica Microgreens Species
  
• Consumer Preference for Microgreens in the Presence of LED Lights and Information Treatments
  
• Adding UVA and Far-Red Light to White LED Affects Growth, Morphology, and Phytochemicals of Indoor-Grown Microgreens --adding far red increases elongation and reduced yields. This is why the notion that far red drives photosynthesis better should be taken with a grain of salt.
  
• Response of Mustard Microgreens to Different Wavelengths and Durations of UV-A LEDs
  
• Applying Blue Light Alone, or in Combination with Far-red Light, during Nighttime Increases Elongation without Compromising Yield and Quality of Indoor-grown Microgreens --I'd want to see other people duplicate this paper before putting too much stock into it
  
• Effects of Different Light Spectra on Final Biomass Production and Nutritional Quality of Two Microgreens --this paper contradicts other papers
  
• The growth and morphology of microgreens is associated with modified ascorbate and anthocyanin profiles in response to the intensity of sole-source light-emitting diodes --phenolic and anthocyanin content increased with increased PPFD
  
• Differential Effects of Low Light Intensity on Broccoli Microgreens Growth and Phytochemicals --50 uMol/m2/sec gave the greatest yields
  
• The Effect of Blue Light Dosage on Growth and Antioxidant Properties of Microgreens
  
• Can Light Spectrum Composition Increase Growth and Nutritional Quality of Linum usitatissimum L. Sprouts and Microgreens?
  
• Light Intensity and Photoperiod Affect Growth and Nutritional Quality of Brassica Microgreens
  
• Influence of the radiation intensity of LED light sources of the red-blue spectrum on the yield and energy consumption of microgreens
  
• The Inclusion of Green Light in a Red and Blue Light Background Impact the Growth and Functional Quality of Vegetable and Flower Microgreen Species --high PPFD is better
  
• The Response of Egyptian Spinach and Vegetable Amaranth Microgreens to Different Light Regimes --blue could reduce yields
  
• Effects of Greenhouse vs. Growth Chamber and Different Blue-Light Percentages on the Growth Performance and Quality of Broccoli Microgreens --blue reduced yields
  

Posting this for anyone debating on having an anal skin tag removed. I feel like my doctor did not properly inform me how hard this recovery would be, don’t make this decision on a wim. 3 days ago I went into my doctors office to have him look at what I thought was an external hemorrhoid because that’s what I was told it was for almost 12 years. He told me it was an anal skin tag left behind after a hemorrhoid and that he could take care of it then. He said “I can easily remove it now and you’ll be recovered within 2 weeks” tuh! 2 weeks my ass. That is not the case. He numbed me up and cut it off within 10 mins and put dissolvable stitches. He told me there may be some blood and to only clean it with water. That was it.
When I got home the pain was excruciating. I’ve gone through child birth, had a tummy tuck, multiple other surgeries and this pain was out of this world. I also have a high pain tolerance and it had me in tears at some points. It’s such an intense burning/stinging feeling that is unrelenting! The first few days it feels like someone cut open your butthole and taint and poured hot sauce on it. My doc also didn’t give me any painkillers and just told me to take Tylenol as needed.
By the 3rd day the pain was a little bit better but still really hurt. I work from home and sit in an office chair all day and even just sitting is so uncomfortable. Anything other than laying down is uncomfortable. By the second day I started to have really smelly leakage coming from my butthole. I went back to my doctor to ask him about it and he said everything is healing normally and there’s no sign of infection and that leakage from that area sometimes smells. He also said the leakage may last 2-4 weeks. I’m only on day 4, idk how I’m going to survive this next month. I feel very frustrated and defeated. If I knew the recovery would be this hard, gross and long I would have waited and prepared myself better. Anyone have a similar experience? If so how long did it take for the leakage to stop? When did you feel comfortable to have (vaginal not anal) sex and work out again?
UPDATE: currently on day 10 post op. This second week has been much better than the first week. It stopped hurting 24/7 around day 5/6. It only hurts if I sit for too long or move a certain way. However BMs are still very painful. Not as painful as last week but they are still very painful. Every time I have a BM until day 5 the toilet bowl would be soaked in blood as if I had a heavy period. Now there’s only blood on my stool and on my anus after I very gently wipe. I’ve been using hypoallergenic 99% water baby wipes to very gently clean up a little bit I’m still getting in the shower and washing my bum after every BM which is really annoying. I stopped taking pain meds on day 5. Half of my dissolvable stitches unraveled on day 8. I was told they would take 2-4 weeks to dissolve so I called my doctor and he said it’s fine that some of it came undone. I can walk pretty much normal now but I’m still taking it slow. The leakage is starting to be less each day and the smell isn’t as strong/bad. I’m hoping that goes away sooner rather than later. I’ve been taking pictures and looking at it every day. I know it’s still early in the healing process but it does not look good 🫤 it looks really ugly and raw. Honestly worse than just having the skin tag. Hoping it looks much better as the healing process continues. I have a check up with my doctor at the 3 week mark. I will update again then.
UPDATE: Just got back from my 3 week check up. Doctor said everything looks good. BMs stopped hurting right around the 2.5 week mark. It does still hurt to wipe though. Leakage and blood is pretty much gone, except I’ve noticed even when I don’t have a BM and I wipe there’s a little poop on the tissue sometimes. It’s almost as if the surgery made my bhole lose or something. It’s really annoying….it looks much better than it did week 1-2 but where the stitches were is raised so it kind of looks like I have two small flaps of skin hanging there. I really hope that subsides within the next few weeks.

As title says had an implant placed with bone graft at 20 due to failed amalgam, and medial surface crack to below gum line. Placed Mon April 22nd
Pulled the last dissolvable stitch a few moments ago due to it breaking down significantly. Assumed the intention was to have a flap of gum tissue over implant/socket during healing/osseointegration process. Thats not what I have. I've got a hole at center of which implant is visible. Nothing is proud of the gum line, just an implant that looks to be sitting in the bony socket left over, exposed. Currently taking prescribed amoxicillin on 8-10hr interval and using chlorhexidine wash. No pain or noticeable swelling.

Only out of ordinary symptom is lasting slight loss of sensation from left of median line of lower lip, down to chin, to rough position of 20 on cheek. Area slightly larger than placing a US quarter at corner of mouth. Change in sensation in 21,22,23 & 24 as well. No motor function loss, area just feels to be similar to how it would as lidocaine would as it was wearing off, very slightly numb/ cold sensation.

For context, Surgeon via Aspen Dental. Which I know is an issue in and of itself, but thats a different topic, and will likely be my last procedure with them. Haven't had any directly negative issues, just lacking communication post-op
Edit per ModBot. 34, M, BMI of ~20 , no current or historical smoking/drinking at all, overall good health. Nothing out of ordinary other than starch heavy vegetarian diet.