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2023 year in review... of Thai BL production houses
2024.01.03 02:14 Virtual_Tadpole9821 2023 year in review... of Thai BL production houses
Happy New Year! In lieu of attempting to revise the family tree chart and getting sucked into another endless time sink, this year I'm just gonna write down what transpired among Thai BL production houses in 2023. You know, for posterity.
GMMTV continued to dominate the field in 2023, pumping out as many as 10 BL series (not including Midnight Museum), almost half their total series output. They also expanded their roster of production partners, collaborating with Dee Hup House for Hidden Agenda and Lit Phadung Samajarn's team for Dangerous Romance, in addition to old partners Studio Wabi Sabi (A Boss and a Babe), Hard Feeling Film (Only Friends) and Gmo Film (Cooking Crush). Each partner also returned for their respective segment in Our Skyy 2, and newly acquired subsidiary Parbdee Tawesuk produced their first actual BL with Be My Favorite. (Parbdee also featured a BL side in their WeTV Original Don't Touch My Gang!!, and did post-production work for a few other series.) Reception has been mostly mixed, though, and it seems the best-received among GMMTV's 2023 releases will come from their own productions Moonlight Chicken, Last Twilight and Cherry Magic, though it remains to be seen how the last two perform as they continue their run into 2024. It'll be hard, though, to beat the previous year-crossing runaway hits Bad Buddy and My School President.
DoMunDi / Mandee Work significantly ramped up their output this year, delivering three and a half full series (Cutie Pie 2 You and Naughty Babe directed by company head Aoftionz Kittipat Champa, and Bed Friend and The Middleman's Love directed by Cheewin Thanamin Wongsakulpach), a movie (After Sundown), plus several Tiktok microseries in partnership with Totsatis Media. They also produced the upcoming To Be Continued for Channel 3. Impressive, considering their past total output was just 2 series since 2020, but that's still only half of their announced 2023 line-up so far.
Wayufilm Production continued doing their thing, releasing low-budget short film after low-budget short film. I wasn't invested enough to identify which among them are actually BL, but their fans will probably already know, and others will probably not have heard of any of them.
Dee Hup House also produced several series this year: Step by Step with JustUp, Hidden Agenda for GMMTV, and I Feel You Linger in the Air with YYDS Entertainment. All were directed by Tee Bundit Sintanaparadee.
YYDS Entertainment is headed by Wan Thabkrajang, who was previously WeTV Thailand's Content and Partnership Manager (remember that IFYLITA was first announced as a WeTV Original, but WeTV pulled out of the project). YYDS also have My Stand-in lined up next, as an iQiyi Original.
Following up on the success of 2022's To Sir, With Love, One31 gave JamFilm another vehicle in Laws of Attraction, also directed by Worawit Khuttiyayothin. They also partnered with Atime26 (who are also under The One Enterprise's umbrella, and previously made Our Days) to release Love in Translation, directed by Lit Phadung. (Incidentally, it was released at the same time the team's other project, GMMTV's Dangerous Romance.) Also, One31's flagship series Across the Sky apparently featured a BL side, though no one seemed to pay attention. But people will surely be paying attention to their upcoming adaptation of Sammon's Euthanasia, to star Tor Thanapob and JJ Krissanapoom.
Change2561 (another The One Enterprise subsidiary), previously known for lakorns and Club Friday (which often featured LGBT (but not BL) themes), finally stepped into BL with Pit Babe, a choice that immediately turned heads as an Omegaverse original story. Either through miscommunication or clever deception, viewers were at first led to believe that the Omegaverse elements would be removed... no, toned down... no, I don't know where this is going, and I'm not sure I want to.
In a sharp drop from 2022, Studio Wabi Sabi only released one series under their name (plus one for GMMTV). Unfortunately, Absolute Zero didn't quite seem to live up to fans' hopes of a return to form for New Siwaj Sawatmaneekul. As with A Boss and a Babe, which was the first release of GMMTV's 2023 line-up, the upcoming We Are seems set to be the first to air from GMMTV 2024. It was first announced by Studio Wabi Sabi as part of their 2022-2023 line-up, and the only remaining project from that announcement, Vampire Project (previously codenamed My Broccoli), has been pushed to the 2024 upcoming list, joining several others.
Still reeling from the internal rift that lost them YinWar, Rookie Thailand salvaged what they could of Faddist's engineer universe and released Future, though it was never going to be what could have been. With Call My Name off the books after Bonz also left, the release of Night Dream (another Faddist novel adaptation) brought up the rear for their announced series from 2022.
Meanwhile, under their new management YWPB, Yin and War didn't do BL in 2023, but announced their upcoming return in Jack & Joker.
M Flow Entertainment released two series, Tin Tem Jai and Beyond the Star, but unfortunately neither had the sleeper hit potential of 2022's AiLongNhai. It also seems that their partnership with Kantana ended after Tin Tem Jai, as M Flow exec Turk Kahabodee Kaljareuk (who's a member of the family that owns Kantana, which had backed them since 2021) talked about going independent when answering questions about Kapper's comments (see below). Their next series, Time, is coming 9 January.
Kantana, having backed several series through their partnerships with M Flow and Amarin TV, returned to directly producing BL in 2023 with Low Frequency, through Kantana KOL. (Their previous own-production was Hidden Love in 2021, done by Kantana Movie Town, a different subsidiary.) Still no word on their earlier announced series, Partner in Crime, since mid-2022 (and the director is now attached to newcomer FAm's announced Red Peafowl).
With 9Naa Production head Kapper Worarit Ninklom having vowed to take a break from series directing until the end of 2023 following the public freak-out surrounding the Check Out Onlyfans interview in 2022, the company's only series this year Venus in the Sky was instead directed by Paapare Khachaporn Roopchang, who was production manager on Check Out. In addition, it also released the student short film My Blessing, which was made by Kapper's students at Dhurakij Pundit University. Kapper also drew attention when he publicly lashed out online about ending a partnership with M Flow's Turk Kahabodee, which was to cover Beyond the Star and other series.
2023 was not a good year for Be On Cloud, with a major scandal breaking plans everywhere, but they did release Man Suang, the MildApo historical film that isn't really BL. They also rounded off the year with Dead Friend Forever - DFF, produced with Studio Commuan. It's directed by Madeaw Chookiat Sakveerakul (Manner of Death, etc.) and Chantana Tiprachart (Nha Harn), with mostly the same writing team as Pit Babe.
Apart from DFF, Studio Commuan production My Tempo, filmed since 2021, was finally released by Dreamers Society Management. It's a vehicle for the boy group Proxie, barely BL (unless you use some imagination), and unsubbed, with a condensed film version released earlier in 2022. Wish You Luck, their sci-fi apocalyptic BL series revealed back in 2022, was announced to be resuming production, but isn't expected before 2025.
Very Great, the company behind the very great classic Physical Therapy as well as the disappearing acts Waterboyy / Water Boys and Punk Spy, continued to deliver in 2023 with Crazy Handsome Rich. They also partnered with Mandee to release ZeeNunew's After Sundown. And they're set to continue the very greatness of LongleeFrank with the upcoming OMG! Vampire. Just be thankful that Frank's wig is gone, now that he's been discharged from the military.
Jinloe Media Work gave the year an interesting start with Hit Bite Love, but it doesn't seem like a resolution to that cliffhanger ending is coming any time soon. For most of the year, they've just been re-releasing old stuff on their YouTube, but they also delivered a major surprise with the cast reveal for the upcoming Thai adaptation of Addicted Heroin.
The first installment of Ultimate Troop's Buddy Line Y Animal was released as Dinosaur Love, directed by company head Zaanook Nipitpon Muangsinun and actor Tonnam Piamchon. It seems doubtful whether the other 3 segments are still continuing as planned.
Me Mind Y continued their one-series-a-year streak with Wedding Plan. It was made by the same team as Love in the Air, but reception seemed mostly meh, especially compared to LITA in 2022.
The DnD (who made Bite Me) released an adaptation of the Korean webtoon The Ideal Relationship as My Dear Gangster Oppa, starring MeenPing. It's directed by Jade Bunyoprakarn (of Together With Me).
Copy A Bangkok released one BL in 2023, Playboyy, directed by Cheewin and written by Panuwat Inthawat, who also co-wrote Only Friends and 2022's War of Y. The pre-release promotion must have been the spiciest - or craziest - ever attempted.
Idol Factory started the year late but finished strong with The Sign building up to be a leading contender in 2023's year-end BL frenzy, seemingly offering everything in a single series.
For some reason, K10 Global Content (My Ride) was rebranded as Fix Entertainment (on the corporate side, they're actually different companies). They released the horror series The Whisperer.
Y.Entertainment released For Him, with the producing credit given as "GG & Friends". Not sure who that is, but Y.Ent head Pattarawut Sangyaya took up the directing helm, with the same writing team as Unforgotten Night.
Trasher Bangkok (remember that Jojo is no longer with them) made the non-BL (but maybe adjacent) Viu Original Shadow.
For-E-Mor Film Production, which previously released the 2015 gay short film Same Same Is Not the Same, released Golf Tanwarin Sukkhapisit's movie Moments of Love in February.
Golf's All This Entertainment didn't release anything BL in 2023 apart from The Eclipse segment of Our Skyy 2, but it already finished filming the upcoming Viu Original The Rebound (starring MeenPing) and will be producing Wandee Goodday for GMMTV.
Indie production houses 28 MDP Studio and DoubleM Studio (they seem to be affiliated somehow, as Jaturong Yuankrathok is involved in all their productions) both waited till year's end to drop their respective micro/mini-series Colorful Melody (directed by Bantita Kannasut (Hard Love Mission)) and Love on Lo (directed by Sarunrat Phueakpipat, produced and co-written by Jaturong Yuankrathok).
But the last word goes to Mind Trio, who waited till New Year's Eve to drop their two-part short You and My Stars. They also dropped another of their Once In Memory shorts earlier, but didn't release any longer works (they seemed to be fundraising for one though).
Conspicuously missing from this round-up is Star Hunter Entertainment, who didn't release any BL in 2023 (though they did make a GL). That backlog of theirs isn't getting any shorter.
Channel 3 and its affiliates apparently took some time to rethink their plans after The Miracle of Teddy Bear's lacklustre performance, but they seem to have found new resolve with the above-mentioned To Be Continued (by Mandee) and also a GL.
TV Thunder also seems to be taking a break from BL.
After pulling out from several BL productions in its 2022 line-up, WeTV now seems interested again, having announced several projects for 2024, including two by Kongthup Production (who also announced their own series Two Worlds).
Artop Media didn't release any BL in 2023, but have announced two for 2024: I Love/Kill You and Universad.
Commetive also didn't release new original content, though there have been a few re-edits and director's cuts.
Meanwhile, Jumdee Film Production, who last made My Boy in 2021, rose from hibernation to announce The Last Time (said to be coming in June) and Universe of Love.
Signature Film finally released Café in Love, which had been announced since 2021, but it never got subs. Signature is headed by Anne Kalyarat Jarukornjindarath, a socialite from Sakon Nakhon whose main business is selling tractors, and who previously co-executive-produced several Greatest Entertainment series back in 2016.
Café in Love ended up being Phadej Onlahoong's only directorial release this year, since Meta One Entertainment's Boy Never Smiles fell apart with filming over half-way through, and he left the production of The Whisperer before it began. He's now attached to OMG! Vampire, let's hope it goes well for him.
Maximon Solution introduced itself with Chains of Heart, which got the conversation running with its gloves if not discernible plot. However, its executives seem to have split up. One of them set up a new company as Maximon Entertainment, which has A Secretly Love lined up for 17 February. The old company was renamed to Harikarn Solution, and has announced the casts for two upcoming series: The Hell Guards and Iridescent Love.
Insight Entertainment, the China-oriented entertainment content import/export company, commissioned its first BL Destiny Seeker, with production handled by Saturday 20th Studio. It also appears to be a distribution partner (uncredited) for I Feel You Linger in the Air, and may or may not be responsible for it being released on Youku (which some have blamed for the series' less-than-stellar performance in Thailand).
Performance school World Star tried its hand at series production with Boyband, in partnership with Japan's Avex Pictures, bringing Jade Bunyoprakarn (who also directed My Dear Gangster Oppa) on as director. However, for some reason (maybe or maybe not related to the Japanese partnership, hmm...) it never got the international release that was clearly intended, and was pulled from their YouTube channel after the first episode. Who knows what chance remains of the planned second season happening.
Almost two years since it was first announced, AIS Play Original series Past-senger, by Thai City Biz and 678 Acts with production work by 1009 Entertainment, was finally released, though not many people seemed to notice.
Another series that didn't get an international release apart from Japan was Waga Creative's Make a Wish. (They indeed seem to be focused solely on the Japan market. The company is headed by Paveena Pomsuk, who's apparently a university lecturer in industrial ceramic design?) I saw a comment somewhere that that might have been for the best, as the comedy style seemed unlikely to be received well by international (Western) audiences.
Presented by I Center and Golden Eyes View (the latter of which is headed by actor-turned-producer F Nontapat Sriwichai), Love Syndrome III comes from the same original novel universe as Unforgotten night, and it proved to be a worthy successor, at least in the communal on-air experience category.
Following up to their episode 0 shorts released in 2022, skincare brand Devonte's Kidhaisud Kidhaisuk released the full The Promise series in 2023. Production was handled by Kongkiat Production, the company of veteran director Kongkiat Komesiri (who was one of the directors of KinnPorsche).
Acttraction is another newcomer, a passion project of billionaire Nuttapol Jurangkool (who, it might be interesting to note, is the third-largest shareholder in GMM Grammy at 9.89%, and the eighth-largest in The One Enterprise at 1.68%), with VJ Ake Ratthawit Peerasararoj and dance trainer KruLot Jirunthanin Panpasertchoke as partners. La Pluie is their first project.
Star Halo Entertainment, headed by travel blogger / TV host DJ Kla Kraipitch Tassanasaengsoon, released its debut work with House of Stars. Director Anan Rasamee is new, and the writers aren't listed, but there's one familiar name in the credits, co-producer Bancha Luangakkaratorn (long-time assistant director from the original Love Sick crew, who last directed The Yearbook in 2021).
PTG Entertainment, headed by car dealership executive Pam Praephan Hiransrisunthon and producer "Chut Tanguy" Songtham Ploykabthong, released The Luminous Solution, produced by director Jane Botta (Kitt Bottasri)'s Yubaba Studio (which previously made Nitiman in 2021).
Cosmetics and beauty product manufacturer Quality Plus Group also jumped on the bandwagon, partnering with Mediaplex International to produce the JaFirst series Be Mine Superstar. It's directed by David Bigander (of Bite Me), but as Mediaplex's business is in translation and dubbing, it's still unclear who handled the production aspects apart from Kantana Production Service, which supplied the camera crew and equipment.
Breaking off from the mysterious Miti Art Media, 180 Degree Longitude project manager Akarawat Pitchayathanawisarn founded Tia51 as a new company, releasing the lengthy anthology series My Universe as their first project. Unfortunately, with 12 stories in 24 episodes releasing over almost half a year, it may have been spread too thin to hold audience attention. Next up is their remake of Love Sick, which is planned for release on the original's 10th anniversary in July. The announced cast has left more than a few viewers rather apprehensive though.
Half Toast / Somnuk Production, the companies behind the 2021-announced Heart by Heart (which got a lot of attention from their 17-minute pilot trailer but never materialized), seemingly returned from oblivion with Y Journey (Stay Like a Local), a collection of tourism- and sustainability-promoting shorts made for the Tourism Authority of Thailand and Ajinomoto. It's directed by Savit Keawtavee, who was producer for the 2015 Same Same Is Not the Same short film. Still no word on Heart by Heart though.
Lovemedia Thailand, headed by artist manager Visoot Valla, made their debut with Twins, directed by Kanathorn Tubvilai (who also directed Night Dream) and Siwasit Phondongnok (who directed the 2015 Same Same Is Not the Same short film and produced Love Area). It's produced by "Madamdor" Teeraphat Phuangsiri of Image Artist Entertainment (which made Love Area).
A bit later than others, Channel 8 finally joined the BL hype train with Bake Me Please, produced by Rose Studio, a subsidiary of channel owner RS Group. It's directed by Kanchanapan Meesuwan, from 2017's 2 Moons.
Bandai Bar, a newcomer to series production with ties to a sushi restaurant chain, led by executives from a business consulting and an investment firm, bankrolled 7 Days Before Valentine, created by the same team behind 180 Degree Longitude: director Punnasak Sukee and producer Patomkrit Sudsara. And I thought Miti Art Media was mysterious.
And that's it! I mostly ignored specials and re-edited releases and straight-to-YouTube shorts by less known players - you'll find them on more complete lists elsewhere.
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Known players
Roughly in decreasing order of output. See here for background profiles. I might mention some upcoming projects, but I'm not actively tracking them, so it won't be exhaustive.GMMTV continued to dominate the field in 2023, pumping out as many as 10 BL series (not including Midnight Museum), almost half their total series output. They also expanded their roster of production partners, collaborating with Dee Hup House for Hidden Agenda and Lit Phadung Samajarn's team for Dangerous Romance, in addition to old partners Studio Wabi Sabi (A Boss and a Babe), Hard Feeling Film (Only Friends) and Gmo Film (Cooking Crush). Each partner also returned for their respective segment in Our Skyy 2, and newly acquired subsidiary Parbdee Tawesuk produced their first actual BL with Be My Favorite. (Parbdee also featured a BL side in their WeTV Original Don't Touch My Gang!!, and did post-production work for a few other series.) Reception has been mostly mixed, though, and it seems the best-received among GMMTV's 2023 releases will come from their own productions Moonlight Chicken, Last Twilight and Cherry Magic, though it remains to be seen how the last two perform as they continue their run into 2024. It'll be hard, though, to beat the previous year-crossing runaway hits Bad Buddy and My School President.
DoMunDi / Mandee Work significantly ramped up their output this year, delivering three and a half full series (Cutie Pie 2 You and Naughty Babe directed by company head Aoftionz Kittipat Champa, and Bed Friend and The Middleman's Love directed by Cheewin Thanamin Wongsakulpach), a movie (After Sundown), plus several Tiktok microseries in partnership with Totsatis Media. They also produced the upcoming To Be Continued for Channel 3. Impressive, considering their past total output was just 2 series since 2020, but that's still only half of their announced 2023 line-up so far.
Wayufilm Production continued doing their thing, releasing low-budget short film after low-budget short film. I wasn't invested enough to identify which among them are actually BL, but their fans will probably already know, and others will probably not have heard of any of them.
Dee Hup House also produced several series this year: Step by Step with JustUp, Hidden Agenda for GMMTV, and I Feel You Linger in the Air with YYDS Entertainment. All were directed by Tee Bundit Sintanaparadee.
YYDS Entertainment is headed by Wan Thabkrajang, who was previously WeTV Thailand's Content and Partnership Manager (remember that IFYLITA was first announced as a WeTV Original, but WeTV pulled out of the project). YYDS also have My Stand-in lined up next, as an iQiyi Original.
Following up on the success of 2022's To Sir, With Love, One31 gave JamFilm another vehicle in Laws of Attraction, also directed by Worawit Khuttiyayothin. They also partnered with Atime26 (who are also under The One Enterprise's umbrella, and previously made Our Days) to release Love in Translation, directed by Lit Phadung. (Incidentally, it was released at the same time the team's other project, GMMTV's Dangerous Romance.) Also, One31's flagship series Across the Sky apparently featured a BL side, though no one seemed to pay attention. But people will surely be paying attention to their upcoming adaptation of Sammon's Euthanasia, to star Tor Thanapob and JJ Krissanapoom.
Change2561 (another The One Enterprise subsidiary), previously known for lakorns and Club Friday (which often featured LGBT (but not BL) themes), finally stepped into BL with Pit Babe, a choice that immediately turned heads as an Omegaverse original story. Either through miscommunication or clever deception, viewers were at first led to believe that the Omegaverse elements would be removed... no, toned down... no, I don't know where this is going, and I'm not sure I want to.
In a sharp drop from 2022, Studio Wabi Sabi only released one series under their name (plus one for GMMTV). Unfortunately, Absolute Zero didn't quite seem to live up to fans' hopes of a return to form for New Siwaj Sawatmaneekul. As with A Boss and a Babe, which was the first release of GMMTV's 2023 line-up, the upcoming We Are seems set to be the first to air from GMMTV 2024. It was first announced by Studio Wabi Sabi as part of their 2022-2023 line-up, and the only remaining project from that announcement, Vampire Project (previously codenamed My Broccoli), has been pushed to the 2024 upcoming list, joining several others.
Still reeling from the internal rift that lost them YinWar, Rookie Thailand salvaged what they could of Faddist's engineer universe and released Future, though it was never going to be what could have been. With Call My Name off the books after Bonz also left, the release of Night Dream (another Faddist novel adaptation) brought up the rear for their announced series from 2022.
Meanwhile, under their new management YWPB, Yin and War didn't do BL in 2023, but announced their upcoming return in Jack & Joker.
M Flow Entertainment released two series, Tin Tem Jai and Beyond the Star, but unfortunately neither had the sleeper hit potential of 2022's AiLongNhai. It also seems that their partnership with Kantana ended after Tin Tem Jai, as M Flow exec Turk Kahabodee Kaljareuk (who's a member of the family that owns Kantana, which had backed them since 2021) talked about going independent when answering questions about Kapper's comments (see below). Their next series, Time, is coming 9 January.
Kantana, having backed several series through their partnerships with M Flow and Amarin TV, returned to directly producing BL in 2023 with Low Frequency, through Kantana KOL. (Their previous own-production was Hidden Love in 2021, done by Kantana Movie Town, a different subsidiary.) Still no word on their earlier announced series, Partner in Crime, since mid-2022 (and the director is now attached to newcomer FAm's announced Red Peafowl).
With 9Naa Production head Kapper Worarit Ninklom having vowed to take a break from series directing until the end of 2023 following the public freak-out surrounding the Check Out Onlyfans interview in 2022, the company's only series this year Venus in the Sky was instead directed by Paapare Khachaporn Roopchang, who was production manager on Check Out. In addition, it also released the student short film My Blessing, which was made by Kapper's students at Dhurakij Pundit University. Kapper also drew attention when he publicly lashed out online about ending a partnership with M Flow's Turk Kahabodee, which was to cover Beyond the Star and other series.
2023 was not a good year for Be On Cloud, with a major scandal breaking plans everywhere, but they did release Man Suang, the MildApo historical film that isn't really BL. They also rounded off the year with Dead Friend Forever - DFF, produced with Studio Commuan. It's directed by Madeaw Chookiat Sakveerakul (Manner of Death, etc.) and Chantana Tiprachart (Nha Harn), with mostly the same writing team as Pit Babe.
Apart from DFF, Studio Commuan production My Tempo, filmed since 2021, was finally released by Dreamers Society Management. It's a vehicle for the boy group Proxie, barely BL (unless you use some imagination), and unsubbed, with a condensed film version released earlier in 2022. Wish You Luck, their sci-fi apocalyptic BL series revealed back in 2022, was announced to be resuming production, but isn't expected before 2025.
Very Great, the company behind the very great classic Physical Therapy as well as the disappearing acts Waterboyy / Water Boys and Punk Spy, continued to deliver in 2023 with Crazy Handsome Rich. They also partnered with Mandee to release ZeeNunew's After Sundown. And they're set to continue the very greatness of LongleeFrank with the upcoming OMG! Vampire. Just be thankful that Frank's wig is gone, now that he's been discharged from the military.
Jinloe Media Work gave the year an interesting start with Hit Bite Love, but it doesn't seem like a resolution to that cliffhanger ending is coming any time soon. For most of the year, they've just been re-releasing old stuff on their YouTube, but they also delivered a major surprise with the cast reveal for the upcoming Thai adaptation of Addicted Heroin.
The first installment of Ultimate Troop's Buddy Line Y Animal was released as Dinosaur Love, directed by company head Zaanook Nipitpon Muangsinun and actor Tonnam Piamchon. It seems doubtful whether the other 3 segments are still continuing as planned.
Me Mind Y continued their one-series-a-year streak with Wedding Plan. It was made by the same team as Love in the Air, but reception seemed mostly meh, especially compared to LITA in 2022.
The DnD (who made Bite Me) released an adaptation of the Korean webtoon The Ideal Relationship as My Dear Gangster Oppa, starring MeenPing. It's directed by Jade Bunyoprakarn (of Together With Me).
Copy A Bangkok released one BL in 2023, Playboyy, directed by Cheewin and written by Panuwat Inthawat, who also co-wrote Only Friends and 2022's War of Y. The pre-release promotion must have been the spiciest - or craziest - ever attempted.
Idol Factory started the year late but finished strong with The Sign building up to be a leading contender in 2023's year-end BL frenzy, seemingly offering everything in a single series.
For some reason, K10 Global Content (My Ride) was rebranded as Fix Entertainment (on the corporate side, they're actually different companies). They released the horror series The Whisperer.
Y.Entertainment released For Him, with the producing credit given as "GG & Friends". Not sure who that is, but Y.Ent head Pattarawut Sangyaya took up the directing helm, with the same writing team as Unforgotten Night.
Trasher Bangkok (remember that Jojo is no longer with them) made the non-BL (but maybe adjacent) Viu Original Shadow.
For-E-Mor Film Production, which previously released the 2015 gay short film Same Same Is Not the Same, released Golf Tanwarin Sukkhapisit's movie Moments of Love in February.
Golf's All This Entertainment didn't release anything BL in 2023 apart from The Eclipse segment of Our Skyy 2, but it already finished filming the upcoming Viu Original The Rebound (starring MeenPing) and will be producing Wandee Goodday for GMMTV.
Indie production houses 28 MDP Studio and DoubleM Studio (they seem to be affiliated somehow, as Jaturong Yuankrathok is involved in all their productions) both waited till year's end to drop their respective micro/mini-series Colorful Melody (directed by Bantita Kannasut (Hard Love Mission)) and Love on Lo (directed by Sarunrat Phueakpipat, produced and co-written by Jaturong Yuankrathok).
But the last word goes to Mind Trio, who waited till New Year's Eve to drop their two-part short You and My Stars. They also dropped another of their Once In Memory shorts earlier, but didn't release any longer works (they seemed to be fundraising for one though).
Conspicuously missing from this round-up is Star Hunter Entertainment, who didn't release any BL in 2023 (though they did make a GL). That backlog of theirs isn't getting any shorter.
Channel 3 and its affiliates apparently took some time to rethink their plans after The Miracle of Teddy Bear's lacklustre performance, but they seem to have found new resolve with the above-mentioned To Be Continued (by Mandee) and also a GL.
TV Thunder also seems to be taking a break from BL.
After pulling out from several BL productions in its 2022 line-up, WeTV now seems interested again, having announced several projects for 2024, including two by Kongthup Production (who also announced their own series Two Worlds).
Artop Media didn't release any BL in 2023, but have announced two for 2024: I Love/Kill You and Universad.
Commetive also didn't release new original content, though there have been a few re-edits and director's cuts.
Meanwhile, Jumdee Film Production, who last made My Boy in 2021, rose from hibernation to announce The Last Time (said to be coming in June) and Universe of Love.
Newcomers to BL
In order of work release dateSignature Film finally released Café in Love, which had been announced since 2021, but it never got subs. Signature is headed by Anne Kalyarat Jarukornjindarath, a socialite from Sakon Nakhon whose main business is selling tractors, and who previously co-executive-produced several Greatest Entertainment series back in 2016.
Café in Love ended up being Phadej Onlahoong's only directorial release this year, since Meta One Entertainment's Boy Never Smiles fell apart with filming over half-way through, and he left the production of The Whisperer before it began. He's now attached to OMG! Vampire, let's hope it goes well for him.
Maximon Solution introduced itself with Chains of Heart, which got the conversation running with its gloves if not discernible plot. However, its executives seem to have split up. One of them set up a new company as Maximon Entertainment, which has A Secretly Love lined up for 17 February. The old company was renamed to Harikarn Solution, and has announced the casts for two upcoming series: The Hell Guards and Iridescent Love.
Insight Entertainment, the China-oriented entertainment content import/export company, commissioned its first BL Destiny Seeker, with production handled by Saturday 20th Studio. It also appears to be a distribution partner (uncredited) for I Feel You Linger in the Air, and may or may not be responsible for it being released on Youku (which some have blamed for the series' less-than-stellar performance in Thailand).
Performance school World Star tried its hand at series production with Boyband, in partnership with Japan's Avex Pictures, bringing Jade Bunyoprakarn (who also directed My Dear Gangster Oppa) on as director. However, for some reason (maybe or maybe not related to the Japanese partnership, hmm...) it never got the international release that was clearly intended, and was pulled from their YouTube channel after the first episode. Who knows what chance remains of the planned second season happening.
Almost two years since it was first announced, AIS Play Original series Past-senger, by Thai City Biz and 678 Acts with production work by 1009 Entertainment, was finally released, though not many people seemed to notice.
Another series that didn't get an international release apart from Japan was Waga Creative's Make a Wish. (They indeed seem to be focused solely on the Japan market. The company is headed by Paveena Pomsuk, who's apparently a university lecturer in industrial ceramic design?) I saw a comment somewhere that that might have been for the best, as the comedy style seemed unlikely to be received well by international (Western) audiences.
Presented by I Center and Golden Eyes View (the latter of which is headed by actor-turned-producer F Nontapat Sriwichai), Love Syndrome III comes from the same original novel universe as Unforgotten night, and it proved to be a worthy successor, at least in the communal on-air experience category.
Following up to their episode 0 shorts released in 2022, skincare brand Devonte's Kidhaisud Kidhaisuk released the full The Promise series in 2023. Production was handled by Kongkiat Production, the company of veteran director Kongkiat Komesiri (who was one of the directors of KinnPorsche).
Acttraction is another newcomer, a passion project of billionaire Nuttapol Jurangkool (who, it might be interesting to note, is the third-largest shareholder in GMM Grammy at 9.89%, and the eighth-largest in The One Enterprise at 1.68%), with VJ Ake Ratthawit Peerasararoj and dance trainer KruLot Jirunthanin Panpasertchoke as partners. La Pluie is their first project.
Star Halo Entertainment, headed by travel blogger / TV host DJ Kla Kraipitch Tassanasaengsoon, released its debut work with House of Stars. Director Anan Rasamee is new, and the writers aren't listed, but there's one familiar name in the credits, co-producer Bancha Luangakkaratorn (long-time assistant director from the original Love Sick crew, who last directed The Yearbook in 2021).
PTG Entertainment, headed by car dealership executive Pam Praephan Hiransrisunthon and producer "Chut Tanguy" Songtham Ploykabthong, released The Luminous Solution, produced by director Jane Botta (Kitt Bottasri)'s Yubaba Studio (which previously made Nitiman in 2021).
Cosmetics and beauty product manufacturer Quality Plus Group also jumped on the bandwagon, partnering with Mediaplex International to produce the JaFirst series Be Mine Superstar. It's directed by David Bigander (of Bite Me), but as Mediaplex's business is in translation and dubbing, it's still unclear who handled the production aspects apart from Kantana Production Service, which supplied the camera crew and equipment.
Breaking off from the mysterious Miti Art Media, 180 Degree Longitude project manager Akarawat Pitchayathanawisarn founded Tia51 as a new company, releasing the lengthy anthology series My Universe as their first project. Unfortunately, with 12 stories in 24 episodes releasing over almost half a year, it may have been spread too thin to hold audience attention. Next up is their remake of Love Sick, which is planned for release on the original's 10th anniversary in July. The announced cast has left more than a few viewers rather apprehensive though.
Half Toast / Somnuk Production, the companies behind the 2021-announced Heart by Heart (which got a lot of attention from their 17-minute pilot trailer but never materialized), seemingly returned from oblivion with Y Journey (Stay Like a Local), a collection of tourism- and sustainability-promoting shorts made for the Tourism Authority of Thailand and Ajinomoto. It's directed by Savit Keawtavee, who was producer for the 2015 Same Same Is Not the Same short film. Still no word on Heart by Heart though.
Lovemedia Thailand, headed by artist manager Visoot Valla, made their debut with Twins, directed by Kanathorn Tubvilai (who also directed Night Dream) and Siwasit Phondongnok (who directed the 2015 Same Same Is Not the Same short film and produced Love Area). It's produced by "Madamdor" Teeraphat Phuangsiri of Image Artist Entertainment (which made Love Area).
A bit later than others, Channel 8 finally joined the BL hype train with Bake Me Please, produced by Rose Studio, a subsidiary of channel owner RS Group. It's directed by Kanchanapan Meesuwan, from 2017's 2 Moons.
Bandai Bar, a newcomer to series production with ties to a sushi restaurant chain, led by executives from a business consulting and an investment firm, bankrolled 7 Days Before Valentine, created by the same team behind 180 Degree Longitude: director Punnasak Sukee and producer Patomkrit Sudsara. And I thought Miti Art Media was mysterious.
And that's it! I mostly ignored specials and re-edited releases and straight-to-YouTube shorts by less known players - you'll find them on more complete lists elsewhere.
2023.11.28 05:46 lollipopdeath C-Drama Glossary: Drama Genre, Chinese Slang & Other Terminology
Compiled, proofread and edited by u/lollipopdeath. Big thanks to u/shkencorebreaks, u/240229, u/Best-Form-4649, u/Atharaphelun, u/DenisWB and u/dengyideng for their contribution and correction to this glossary list. Source: Baidu Encyclopedia, Immortal Mountain, Drama Potatoe, The World of Chinese, Daily C-Pop, CPOP HOME,Wikipedia, cyn lynn, Sip of Tea, guoman, iNews, ICW, Octo Plus Media, DramaPanda.
Use Ctrl + F if you're searching for a specific word as the order of the words is randomized. See the full version also in this Google Docs as I have to omit several stuff due to the word limit. Seems like there is also an issue with this thread where some letters are missing in several devices (and sadly I don't know how to fix it since it's perfectly fine on my end).
iQIYI (爱奇艺; pronounced eye-CHEE-yee) - also commonly symbolized with 🥝 representing 奇异果 (qi yi guo) meaning kiwi, iQIYI is a Chinese subscription video-on-demand over-the-top (VOD OTT) streaming service owned by Baidu, headquartered in Beijing. iQIYI specializes in producing and distributing films and television series. With 174 million monthly unique visitors, iQiyi holds the position as the second-largest among Chinese streaming platforms. Could also be referred to as 271 due to similar Chinese pronunciation or 🍑 kiwi = 猕猴桃, 桃 = peach.
YOUKU (优酷; youku lit. 'excellent & cool') - also commonly symbolized with 👖 because 裤 (ku) is a homonym for pants, is a video hosting service based in Beijing that operates as a subsidiary of Alibaba Group Holding Limited with 144 million unique visitors in 2022.
MGTV (芒果TV; mángguǒTV) - also commonly symbolized with 🥭 as 芒果 (mángguǒ) literally translates to mango. It is also colloquially referred to as 水果台 (shuǐguǒ tái) meaning fruits channel. Established in 2006, MGTV is an internet video platform for Hunan Radio and Television and a Chinese online video media platform that provides users with diverse content, including variety shows, movies, TV series, animation, sports, news, games, micro-movies, etc.
BILIBILI (哔哩哔哩) – b站 or b station or 字母台 meaning alphabet channel is a Shanghai-based video-sharing website that allows users to submit, view, and add overlaid commentary on videos. Since the mid-2010s, Bilibili has expanded beyond its original niche market, which focused on animation, comics, and games (ACG). It has transformed into one of the major Chinese over-the-top streaming platforms, offering videos on demand (VOD), including documentaries, variety shows, and other original programming. Bilibili is also known for its scrolling danmu ("bullet curtain," 弹幕) commenting system.
Hunan TV, Zhejiang TV, Jiangsu TV, Dongfang/Dragon TV in Shanghai, and Beijing TV are the five major satellite stations with the largest viewer bases. While accessibility varies based on location, most areas will have access to at least a couple of these channels.
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XIANXIA (仙侠) – literally means “Immortal Heroes”. Fictional stories featuring magic, demons, ghosts, immortals, and a great deal of Chinese folklore/mythology. Protagonists (usually) attempt to cultivate Immortality, seeking eternal life and the pinnacle of strength. Heavily inspired by Daoism.
Q: "Is Wuxia “low fantasy,” while Xianxia is “high fantasy”? A note from u/Atharaphelun: it depends on the scope of the story. e.g. The Untamed, while it is very much a xianxia story with the whole cultivation system and cultivation sects setting, it is more of a low fantasy story given that the stakes are generally lower - simply a war between cultivation sects and various cultivators, not a "fate of the world" type of situation. A more typical high fantasy xianxia would be something like Ever Night or the upcoming A Record of a Mortal's Journey to Immortality which do involve high fantasy themes involving the fate of the world/universe but still have the trappings of xianxia - cultivation system, cultivation sects, protagonist goes through the cultivation journey, etc.
XUANHUAN (玄幻) – literally means “Mysterious Fantasy”. A broad genre of fictional stories which remixes Chinese folklore/mythology with foreign elements & settings. Xuanhuan and Xianxia novels may sometimes seem similar on the surface. Look for the presence of Daoist elements (the Dao, Yin and Yang, Immortals, etc.) to easily distinguish the two – if they aren’t present, then it’s probably a Xuanhuan novel. Note from u/DenisWB: most native Chinese speakers don't make any distinction between xianxia and xuanhuan.
TRANSMIGRATION (穿越 chuānyuè) - literally translates to "crossing through" or "transversing," it often involves a mix of romance, fantasy, and historical themes where the protagonist usually travels through time and space and then finding themselves in a different era or world. The term "transmigration" is often used to describe this plot device where a character's consciousness or soul moves across dimensions.
IDOL DRAMA (偶像剧 - ǒuxiàng jù) - also known as trendy drama in Japan; although its connotation is not very clear, a more commonly used description today is that idol dramas are a genre featuring idol stars as protagonists, targeting younger audiences as the main viewers. What sets idol dramas apart from earlier soap operas or other costume dramas on television is that this genre primarily emphasizes not the tension of the script or the acting skills of the actors, but the appearance of the actors. Moreover, the protagonists in this genre are rarely middle-aged or elderly (albeit not impossible). For idol costume dramas, they would usually call it 古偶 (gǔ ǒu) while modern idol dramas are called xiàn ǒu (现偶).
HISTORICAL - what international audience typically refers to as a 'historical' drama is known in China as 古装剧 (gǔzhuāng jù), literally translating to an “ancient costume drama,” where more often than not, the only “historical” aspect of these dramas lies in the clothing and set designs. That’s why the 古 (gǔ) in 古偶 (gǔ ǒu) abbreviates 古装, meaning 'historical costume.' Not all shows of this type are entirely commercialized, and there are numerous 'costume dramas' that differ from 'idol dramas.' A legitimate historical drama would be called 历史题材电视剧 (lìshǐ tícái diànshìjù), which is actual historical dramas that have a basis in actual history and involve historically attested figures and stories drawn from, or otherwise in some sense directly influenced by the canonical historical record. My personal take on this is that I just refer to most costume dramas as guzhuang.
FEMALE-CENTRIC (女性题材 nǚxìng tícái) - female-centric dramas are more concentrated on the diverse aspects of women's lived experiences even though the majority of c-drama are targeted at women since many more unfolds in the life of a female lead beyond romance, and these dramas are the go-to for exploring those other narratives. The genre encompasses dramas such as Ode to Joy, All is Well, Delicious Romance, The First Half of My Life, Remembrance of Things Past, My Best Friend's Story, and more.
REPUBLICAN (民国 mínguó) - republican era dramas known as 民国剧 (mínguó jù), derive their narratives primarily from historical events spanning the late Qing Dynasty to the early years of the Republic, reaching into the 1930s and 1940s. These dramas recount stories of love and loyalty amidst turbulent times, portraying the intricate relationships and destinies of families, as well as the heroic aspirations of revolutionaries.
OLDER WOMEN/YOUNGER MAN ( 年下/姐弟恋 nián xia or jiědì liàn) - self-explanatory, a genre depicting romantic relationships where the woman is older than the man she is dating or in a relationship with.
SLICE OF LIFE (生活 shēng huó) - also literally means “life,” it’s a genre that depicts the ordinary and mundane aspects of characters' lives, exploring the day-to-day experiences, relationships, and challenges they face. The narratives often lack exaggerated or dramatic plotlines and instead, opt for a more realistic and relatable portrayal of human experiences.
SHENMO (神魔) - Gods and demons fiction or Shenmo fiction (神魔小說 shénmó xiǎoshuō) is a sub-genre of Chinese fantasy fiction that revolves around the deities, immortals, demons, and monsters of Chinese mythology. The term shenmo xiaoshuo, coined in the early 20th century by the writer and literary historian Lu Xun, literally means "gods and demons novel". Classical works of shenmo fiction include the novels Journey to the West and Investiture of the Gods.
YOUTH (青春 qīngchūn) - something akin to a coming-of-age genre, they are dramas that typically revolve around the lives, experiences, and challenges faced by young individuals, often in their teenage or early adult years. Themes commonly explored include friendship, romance, personal growth, and the pursuit of dreams as they aim to capture the essence of youth and portray the characters' journeys through various coming-of-age experiences.
DANGAIJU / DANMEI-ADAPTATION DRAMA (耽改剧/耽改 dāngǎijù/Dāngǎi) - dramas adapted from male-male romance fiction; danmei (耽美) itself is a term borrowed from Japanese, describing male-male romance.
BAIHE (百合 bǎihé) - lit. means lily; are works centered around lesbianism. 百合 works explicitly portray 'romantic love between women' and emphasize it as a focal point. These works usually do not explicitly state romantic involvement but tend to develop in that direction and are labeled as '百合-leaning' works.
DINGLIU (顶流) - Top Liulang. It has its origins in terms like liulang mingxing (流量明星: traffic star) and liulang yiren (流量艺人: traffic artist). This term emerged as a popular internet buzzword in 2017 and gained widespread popularity in online fan communities. It serves as a title for exceptionally famous individuals, events, or content.
TEAM (团队 tuánduì) - a team that manages and supports a celebrity’s activities. A team usually includes a manager, a personal assistant, a stylist, a makeup artist, a bodyguard, a driver, etc.
STUDIO (工作室 Gōngzuòshì) - an independent company with all team members dedicated to a specific celebrity. It can be established by the celebrity’s management company or the celebrity him/herself. Celebrities with their own studios usually have more freedom and power in the decision-making process related to their careers.
MELON (瓜 guā) - juicy gossip. Also chi gua 吃瓜 or literal meaning: eating melon. Bloggers usually use 🍉 to indicate that they are writing rumors or news that is not official. You might wonder: why a salacious piece of scandal could be compared to a juicy fruit in Chinese? The term 吃瓜 (onlooker, rubbernecking) refers to people who gawp and gossip about matters that don't affect them and seem to have originated in 2016. The terms "eat melon seeds in the front row (前排吃瓜子 qiánpái chī guāzǐ)," or "sell melon seeds in the front row (前排兜售瓜子 qiánpái dōushòu guāzǐ)" appeared in online forums around that time.
MELON MASTEMELON LORD (瓜主 guazhu) - refers to individuals on the internet who expose sensational information about celebrities, providing juicy gossip for many to consume.
MELON EATER (吃瓜群众 chīguā qúnzhòng) - people who camped around gossip threads to "sit in the front row and eat melon seeds." The metaphorical use of melon seeds suggests that these individuals are like spectators snacking on melon seeds while watching drama unfold. They are passive observers who enjoy the gossip but do not actively contribute to the discussion.
YXH (营销号 yíngxiāo hào) or MARKETING ACCOUNT - a certain kind of self-media/blog that mainly writes and shares content to get attention or make money. They spread information online and are important in shaping public opinions. Some pretend to be official media but don't follow the rules like real news outlets. Instead, they focus on making money, often by getting a lot of people to view their content. Unfortunately, this can lead to spreading false information and causing harm to the healthy environment of online opinions so it's important to note that many contents from yxh are untrue and unreliable. Also previously discussed in this sub and probably better explained by u/synergysb here.
CP (配对 peidui) - an abbreviation from COUPLING borrowed from the original Japanese term カップリング (kappuringu), used to refer to ship or romantic relationships between two individuals (e.g. "They're watching Untamed for the Lan Wangji/Wei Wuxian CP.") Their shipper are called CPF (CP粉).
CP HYPE (炒CP/营业, chǎo CP/yíngyè) - promoting CP through certain ambiguous moves, often considered a commercial marketing behavior.
SUGACANDY 🍬 (糖 táng) - a sweet CP interaction. [Self-explanatory] or couple’s hints and moments. SEE ALSO: kswl (嗑死我了ke si wo le) which means A fangirling expression which can be interpreted as "they're too sweet, I'm dead."
IDOL (偶像 ouxiang) - 'idol' in the sense of like a statue or other representation of a god that people back in the day might have busied themselves with worshiping. Like as in putting a 'false idol' before the true [whatever.] 偶像 can also be used colloquially, in not very serious contexts, to say that so-and-so is your 'hero.' The current usage of 偶像 to refer to younger popular "celebrities," as opposed to more serious/professional/whatever "actors," comes from a very early Japanese borrowing/re-imagining of the English word 'idol' (アイドル) to cover that class of young, pretty, and famous people that English used to call something like 'heartthrobs.'
SAJIAO (撒娇) - the act of deliberately behaving coquettishly or acting spoiled, often taking advantage of being favored; “to act like a spoiled child.”
YYDS (永远的神 yǒngyuǎn de shén) - Eternal God, describes an outstanding person or thing. Pretty much equivalent to GOAT (Greatest Of All Time).
XIAO HUA (小花) 🌸 - literally translating to LITTLE FLOWER, it refers to almost all young actresses, regardless of their popularity, reputation, and acting skills. The most popular ones are generally called Liuliang Xiao Hua (流量小花).
EMPEROR (皇 huang) - refers to an individual who is highly favored by the company, enjoying a continuous influx of resources and possessing advantages over others within the same group or program.
LITTLE FRESH MEAT (小鲜肉 xiǎo xiānròu) - young, handsome, and popular male celebrities, often used to describe a new generation of attractive and trendy actors.
xx花/xx🌸 - actresses from XX year onwards, usually grouped in sets of five years; hua (花) means flower in English, hence the flower emoji. (e.g. "Liu Yifei is my favorite 85花.")
xx生/xx⚔️ (xx shēng) - actors from XX year onwards, usually grouped in sets of five years.
Xx后/xx花生/xx🥜 (xx hòu/xx huāshēng) - actors from XX year onwards, usually grouped in sets of five years but it’s gender neutral meaning it can apply to both actors and actresses.
OUT OF CIRCLE (出圈 chujuan) - to break out (to the mainstream). This generally refers to a rise in the popularity of a particular idol or celebrity. They go beyond the attention of just their fanbase, entering the public eye and becoming a genuine "public figure." Later, this concept was extended beyond individuals and can also be applied to events and objects, signifying that they gain recognition beyond their initial circle.
PASSERSBY (路人 lu ren) - non-fans; also refers to pedestrians, passersby, or, in gaming terminology, players who are not directly involved in a particular situation. It metaphorically describes people who are unrelated or indifferent to a situation as if they were just ordinary passersby.
WATER ARMY (水军 shui jun) - online paid posters and social media bots commenting or posting predefined content on online platforms. In the entertainment industry, water armies are used to promote, defame, or boost data on particular works or celebrities.
WATER-INJECTED - an article, a celebrity's social media account, a TV show, a movie, etc. that is flooded with fake data, typically generated by the water army.
WHITEWASH (洗白 xǐ bái) - engaging in intentional deception and employing various tactics to divert attention and make the public forget about a celebrity's problematic past. For example, a celebrity with a controversial past may attempt to whitewash their image by actively participating in charity work or government programs. Over time, the positive activities and energy they showcase can overshadow and cause people to overlook their past scandals.
HOUSE COLLAPSED (房子塌了 fangzi tale) - a term said when there is a celebrity involved in love scandal that originated from an interview where a woman said, “When I saw a house collapsed over there, I just went over to watch but I found out that it was my own house collapsing.” In C-fandom, when someone said that her “house collapsed,” she meant she thought she was about to read about love scandals of other people’s idols with excitement, but it turned out to be her own idol. But it doesn't only mean that your idol is caught in a love scandal. Any moral scandal or crime (such as drug abuse, prostitution, tax evasion) that happens to them can be described as a house collapse.
CAR FLIPPED (翻车 fanche) - unexpected and unsatisfactory things happening, e.g: an excellent gamer losing the game, your online girlfriend turning out to be a scammer, a celebrity saying something stupid/ opposite to what she used to say on TV, etc.
BLACK (黑 hēi) - slandering and creating or spreading negative information to defame someone or some projects, usually done by anti-fans.
BLACK MATERIALS (黑料 hei liao) - information or historical records (which can be either true or not) that will have a negative impact on a celebrity or a project.
BLACK RED (黑红 hei hong) - creating controversies and negative narratives about oneself with the primary goal of garnering attention. After gaining fame, they may attempt to "whitewash" their public image but in the event that these efforts to whitewash are unsuccessful, it's commonly referred to as a "car-flipped" incident.
HEAT (热度 redu) - popularity, but it’s more of short-term enthusiasm than long-term recognition. See also: RUB HEAT (蹭热 cengre) which means riding the wave of someone else’s popularity.
RED (红 hóng) - a person, celebrity, film, song, or any work in general that is hot, famous, or popular. FIRE (火 huǒ) has the same meaning.
DOMESTIC ENT. INDUSTRY (内娱 nèiyú/内🐟) - the fish emoji in 内🐟 might be a play on words as the pronunciation of 鱼 (yú) = fish is similar to the pronunciation of 娱 (yú) = entertainment.
FLOP (糊 hu) - in the context of actors or dramas refers to a flop or failure. It is used to describe a lack of success either for individual actors or for entire dramas. In some cases, it might be used affectionately or humorously to acknowledge a less successful performance or production.
DAIPAI (代拍) - literally translated to "proxy photography" or "photo-taking service," they are essentially similar to paparazzi who follow and take photos of celebrities for commercial gain but aside from just selling the photos to publications or entertainment outlets, their services can also be engaged by fans which is why the internet slang literally means to be a substitute 代 (dai) in taking photos of others 拍 (pai).
FAN CIRCLE (粉圈 fěnquān) - fandom. FRIEND CIRCLE (朋友圈 péngyǒu quān) - when a C-citizen mentions his/her friend circle, he/she is most likely talking about his/her Weixin (Wechat)'s feed.
OFFICIAL FANCLUB/HYH (后援会 hòu yuán huì) - a leading organization representing a fandom, usually established by a group of fans gathering together and recruiting new people to support and promote a celebrity. They have certain decision-making and economic power in the fandom. Official Fanclubs are more professional nowadays as they establish contacts with celebrity teams to manage the fandoms' operation following the teams' directions.
FANSITE MASTERS (站子/站姐 zhanzi or zhanjie) - dedicated fans who follow their idols to take stunning photos and share them online. They're also the organizers of many fan support projects. Fansite masters and stalker fans both have the celebrities' itineraries through various sources, but fansite masters only follow public work schedules that allow fans or the general public to attend, including public airport schedules.
ANTI FAN (黑粉 hēi fěn) - “black powder,” 黑 (hēi) means black, and 粉 (fěn) is short for 粉丝 (fěnsī), which means fan that’s why it literally translates to "black fan" and is the equivalent of an anti-fan or someone who opposes and criticizes a celebrity.
PAPARAZZI (狗仔 gǒu zǎi) - photographers who secretly follow celebrities to take photos or sneak shots in hopes of discovering hot gossip and breaking news.
C位 (c wèi) - the center position in a group of people, the most important and visible to the audience. It is usually held by the person with the greatest qualification and the highest status. The center position is a visible form of the power a celebrity holds and an important proof of a celebrity’s status in the entertainment industry.
FAN WEI (番位) - the order of actors’ names on film posters or other promotional materials. The first name is yi fan (一番). Fan wei implies an actor’s status and value in the industry and guarantees an actor’s responsibilities for and benefits from the film or work itself. Fan wei can also be used in music, shows, etc., and is not limited to film nowadays.
HANG SOMEONE UP AND BEAT THEM (吊打 diào dǎ) - If saying A hangs B up and beats B, it means A’s data, appearance, talent, etc., outperforming that of B.
JIULOUYU (九漏鱼 jiǔ lòu yú, short for 九年义务教育漏网之鱼. 九年义务教育 means nine years of compulsory education regulated by the Chinese Government, 漏网之鱼 means a fish that escaped the net) - celebrities who show a lack of education.
JIAXIKA (加戏咖 jiā xì kā) - “drama guy;” actors or actresses who have a strong influence and ask writers and directors for more significant roles in the drama, often seen as unprofessional and disrespectful. However, because the behavior is difficult to determine by the public, it is often used as an excuse to criticize actors they do not like.
ZIYUANKA (资源咖 zīyuán kā) - “resources guy;” actors or actresses with a strong background who get important roles beyond their abilities and fame.
DAIBAOKA (待爆咖 dài bào kā) - “to explode guy,” actors or actresses waiting to become super popular. Originally used to describe stars with great potential, it is often used satirically.
VLINKAGE - a domestic professional entertainment data and marketing strategy consulting company, founded in 2012 in Shanghai, dedicated to assisting various stakeholders in the cultural and media industry. This includes film and television content production companies, talent agencies, video marketing companies, video playback platforms, and advertising client dynamics.
DOUBAN (豆瓣) - an online database and social networking service that enables registered users to document information and generate content related to films, books, music, recent events, and activities in Chinese cities. As of 2013, it boasts approximately 200 million registered users, with some Chinese authors and critics creating official personal pages on the platform. Often likened to review sites like IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, and Goodreads. Even immensely popular ones may not receive high ratings (in the 6s or 7s) as Douban users' preferences indicate that genres like romances and historical dramas might not be highly regarded unless exceptional or deemed iconic (e.g., Chinese Paladin, NIF).
DRAMA TIERS - Streaming platforms assign class designations to dramas for their internal business and investor purposes. However, fans have recently become more interested in these designations, linking them to their favorite actors' resources and status. It's important to know that there's no official list for these classes, and platforms don't publicly announce them. Instead, the information is shared with marketing and drama accounts, which then report it on Weibo. For Tencent and Youku, S+ is the top class for headliner dramas, getting more budget and promotion. After S+ are S, A (with Youku having A+ between S and A), and B. Tencent has the most S+ designations, and Youku has started making more S+/S dramas recently. iQIYI's class designations are less clear now, but it's believed they have S as the highest, followed by A and B. Note that a drama's class designation doesn't always reflect its success or quality. These designations are decided for business reasons before filming starts.
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Last but not least, I am not a native Chinese speaker and I am still in the process of learning Mandarin so I welcome any corrections either through the comment on the subreddit thread or private message as I have only cross-referenced the information using online resources only.
Last updated on December 6, 2023.
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MAJOR STREAMING PLATFORM
TENCENT VIDEO (腾讯视频 téngxùn shìpín) - also commonly symbolized with 🐧 representing the penguin or goose which is their mascot and known as WETV outside of China, is a Chinese video streaming website owned by Tencent. Since its launch in 2020, it has rapidly amassed an impressive user base of 800 million within three years, with a daily user count of 120 million. This makes it one of the largest online video platforms in China and the world's fourth-largest video platform, trailing only behind Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Disney+. Both the internet and mobile versions of the platform hold the top position among competing Chinese streaming platforms.iQIYI (爱奇艺; pronounced eye-CHEE-yee) - also commonly symbolized with 🥝 representing 奇异果 (qi yi guo) meaning kiwi, iQIYI is a Chinese subscription video-on-demand over-the-top (VOD OTT) streaming service owned by Baidu, headquartered in Beijing. iQIYI specializes in producing and distributing films and television series. With 174 million monthly unique visitors, iQiyi holds the position as the second-largest among Chinese streaming platforms. Could also be referred to as 271 due to similar Chinese pronunciation or 🍑 kiwi = 猕猴桃, 桃 = peach.
YOUKU (优酷; youku lit. 'excellent & cool') - also commonly symbolized with 👖 because 裤 (ku) is a homonym for pants, is a video hosting service based in Beijing that operates as a subsidiary of Alibaba Group Holding Limited with 144 million unique visitors in 2022.
MGTV (芒果TV; mángguǒTV) - also commonly symbolized with 🥭 as 芒果 (mángguǒ) literally translates to mango. It is also colloquially referred to as 水果台 (shuǐguǒ tái) meaning fruits channel. Established in 2006, MGTV is an internet video platform for Hunan Radio and Television and a Chinese online video media platform that provides users with diverse content, including variety shows, movies, TV series, animation, sports, news, games, micro-movies, etc.
BILIBILI (哔哩哔哩) – b站 or b station or 字母台 meaning alphabet channel is a Shanghai-based video-sharing website that allows users to submit, view, and add overlaid commentary on videos. Since the mid-2010s, Bilibili has expanded beyond its original niche market, which focused on animation, comics, and games (ACG). It has transformed into one of the major Chinese over-the-top streaming platforms, offering videos on demand (VOD), including documentaries, variety shows, and other original programming. Bilibili is also known for its scrolling danmu ("bullet curtain," 弹幕) commenting system.
MAJOR BROADCAST NETWORK
CCTV (中国中央电视台; zhōngguó zhōngyāng diànshìtái) - China Central Television is the national television broadcaster of China, first established in 1958 as a propaganda outlet. Its 50 channels broadcast a variety of programming to more than one billion viewers in six languages. Channels like CCTV-1 and CCTV-8 primarily broadcast dramas, providing a TV ratings buffer due to its nationwide coverage that ensures accessibility throughout the country regardless of your location.Hunan TV, Zhejiang TV, Jiangsu TV, Dongfang/Dragon TV in Shanghai, and Beijing TV are the five major satellite stations with the largest viewer bases. While accessibility varies based on location, most areas will have access to at least a couple of these channels.
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DRAMA GENRES
Note: Genres are inherently subjective e.g. Douban and Baidu each have their own sets of genre names just like how genres in MDL and DramaWiki are listed differently, and people may even create genre names on the fly. As u/shkencorebreaks pointed out, genres in China are divided quite differently so the following list comprises genre names commonly recognized in the international sphere, alongside some genres I've encountered on Douban and Baidu.WUXIA (武俠) – literally means “Martial Heroes”. Fictional stories about regular humans who can achieve supernatural fighting abilities through Chinese martial arts training and internal energy cultivation. Themes of chivalry, tragedy, revenge & romance are common.
XIANXIA (仙侠) – literally means “Immortal Heroes”. Fictional stories featuring magic, demons, ghosts, immortals, and a great deal of Chinese folklore/mythology. Protagonists (usually) attempt to cultivate Immortality, seeking eternal life and the pinnacle of strength. Heavily inspired by Daoism.
Q: "Is Wuxia “low fantasy,” while Xianxia is “high fantasy”? A note from u/Atharaphelun: it depends on the scope of the story. e.g. The Untamed, while it is very much a xianxia story with the whole cultivation system and cultivation sects setting, it is more of a low fantasy story given that the stakes are generally lower - simply a war between cultivation sects and various cultivators, not a "fate of the world" type of situation. A more typical high fantasy xianxia would be something like Ever Night or the upcoming A Record of a Mortal's Journey to Immortality which do involve high fantasy themes involving the fate of the world/universe but still have the trappings of xianxia - cultivation system, cultivation sects, protagonist goes through the cultivation journey, etc.
XUANHUAN (玄幻) – literally means “Mysterious Fantasy”. A broad genre of fictional stories which remixes Chinese folklore/mythology with foreign elements & settings. Xuanhuan and Xianxia novels may sometimes seem similar on the surface. Look for the presence of Daoist elements (the Dao, Yin and Yang, Immortals, etc.) to easily distinguish the two – if they aren’t present, then it’s probably a Xuanhuan novel. Note from u/DenisWB: most native Chinese speakers don't make any distinction between xianxia and xuanhuan.
TRANSMIGRATION (穿越 chuānyuè) - literally translates to "crossing through" or "transversing," it often involves a mix of romance, fantasy, and historical themes where the protagonist usually travels through time and space and then finding themselves in a different era or world. The term "transmigration" is often used to describe this plot device where a character's consciousness or soul moves across dimensions.
IDOL DRAMA (偶像剧 - ǒuxiàng jù) - also known as trendy drama in Japan; although its connotation is not very clear, a more commonly used description today is that idol dramas are a genre featuring idol stars as protagonists, targeting younger audiences as the main viewers. What sets idol dramas apart from earlier soap operas or other costume dramas on television is that this genre primarily emphasizes not the tension of the script or the acting skills of the actors, but the appearance of the actors. Moreover, the protagonists in this genre are rarely middle-aged or elderly (albeit not impossible). For idol costume dramas, they would usually call it 古偶 (gǔ ǒu) while modern idol dramas are called xiàn ǒu (现偶).
HISTORICAL - what international audience typically refers to as a 'historical' drama is known in China as 古装剧 (gǔzhuāng jù), literally translating to an “ancient costume drama,” where more often than not, the only “historical” aspect of these dramas lies in the clothing and set designs. That’s why the 古 (gǔ) in 古偶 (gǔ ǒu) abbreviates 古装, meaning 'historical costume.' Not all shows of this type are entirely commercialized, and there are numerous 'costume dramas' that differ from 'idol dramas.' A legitimate historical drama would be called 历史题材电视剧 (lìshǐ tícái diànshìjù), which is actual historical dramas that have a basis in actual history and involve historically attested figures and stories drawn from, or otherwise in some sense directly influenced by the canonical historical record. My personal take on this is that I just refer to most costume dramas as guzhuang.
FEMALE-CENTRIC (女性题材 nǚxìng tícái) - female-centric dramas are more concentrated on the diverse aspects of women's lived experiences even though the majority of c-drama are targeted at women since many more unfolds in the life of a female lead beyond romance, and these dramas are the go-to for exploring those other narratives. The genre encompasses dramas such as Ode to Joy, All is Well, Delicious Romance, The First Half of My Life, Remembrance of Things Past, My Best Friend's Story, and more.
REPUBLICAN (民国 mínguó) - republican era dramas known as 民国剧 (mínguó jù), derive their narratives primarily from historical events spanning the late Qing Dynasty to the early years of the Republic, reaching into the 1930s and 1940s. These dramas recount stories of love and loyalty amidst turbulent times, portraying the intricate relationships and destinies of families, as well as the heroic aspirations of revolutionaries.
OLDER WOMEN/YOUNGER MAN ( 年下/姐弟恋 nián xia or jiědì liàn) - self-explanatory, a genre depicting romantic relationships where the woman is older than the man she is dating or in a relationship with.
SLICE OF LIFE (生活 shēng huó) - also literally means “life,” it’s a genre that depicts the ordinary and mundane aspects of characters' lives, exploring the day-to-day experiences, relationships, and challenges they face. The narratives often lack exaggerated or dramatic plotlines and instead, opt for a more realistic and relatable portrayal of human experiences.
SHENMO (神魔) - Gods and demons fiction or Shenmo fiction (神魔小說 shénmó xiǎoshuō) is a sub-genre of Chinese fantasy fiction that revolves around the deities, immortals, demons, and monsters of Chinese mythology. The term shenmo xiaoshuo, coined in the early 20th century by the writer and literary historian Lu Xun, literally means "gods and demons novel". Classical works of shenmo fiction include the novels Journey to the West and Investiture of the Gods.
YOUTH (青春 qīngchūn) - something akin to a coming-of-age genre, they are dramas that typically revolve around the lives, experiences, and challenges faced by young individuals, often in their teenage or early adult years. Themes commonly explored include friendship, romance, personal growth, and the pursuit of dreams as they aim to capture the essence of youth and portray the characters' journeys through various coming-of-age experiences.
DANGAIJU / DANMEI-ADAPTATION DRAMA (耽改剧/耽改 dāngǎijù/Dāngǎi) - dramas adapted from male-male romance fiction; danmei (耽美) itself is a term borrowed from Japanese, describing male-male romance.
BAIHE (百合 bǎihé) - lit. means lily; are works centered around lesbianism. 百合 works explicitly portray 'romantic love between women' and emphasize it as a focal point. These works usually do not explicitly state romantic involvement but tend to develop in that direction and are labeled as '百合-leaning' works.
CHINESE SLANG, C-BIZ TERM & C-FANDOM CULTURE
LIULANG STAR (流量明星 liulang mingxing) - usually referred to as TRAFFIC STARS (流量 lit. translates to flow/traffic) are a celebrity that is characterized by huge and dedicated fanbases and online traffic data. Because Weibo and other social media platforms became more and more dominated by fanbases + entertainment, the huge numbers of Liuliang celebs pulled in, in regards to online traffic like social media engagement, sales (for endorsed products, music, etc.), polls, and a large number of other things, became more and more significant.DINGLIU (顶流) - Top Liulang. It has its origins in terms like liulang mingxing (流量明星: traffic star) and liulang yiren (流量艺人: traffic artist). This term emerged as a popular internet buzzword in 2017 and gained widespread popularity in online fan communities. It serves as a title for exceptionally famous individuals, events, or content.
TEAM (团队 tuánduì) - a team that manages and supports a celebrity’s activities. A team usually includes a manager, a personal assistant, a stylist, a makeup artist, a bodyguard, a driver, etc.
STUDIO (工作室 Gōngzuòshì) - an independent company with all team members dedicated to a specific celebrity. It can be established by the celebrity’s management company or the celebrity him/herself. Celebrities with their own studios usually have more freedom and power in the decision-making process related to their careers.
MELON (瓜 guā) - juicy gossip. Also chi gua 吃瓜 or literal meaning: eating melon. Bloggers usually use 🍉 to indicate that they are writing rumors or news that is not official. You might wonder: why a salacious piece of scandal could be compared to a juicy fruit in Chinese? The term 吃瓜 (onlooker, rubbernecking) refers to people who gawp and gossip about matters that don't affect them and seem to have originated in 2016. The terms "eat melon seeds in the front row (前排吃瓜子 qiánpái chī guāzǐ)," or "sell melon seeds in the front row (前排兜售瓜子 qiánpái dōushòu guāzǐ)" appeared in online forums around that time.
MELON MASTEMELON LORD (瓜主 guazhu) - refers to individuals on the internet who expose sensational information about celebrities, providing juicy gossip for many to consume.
MELON EATER (吃瓜群众 chīguā qúnzhòng) - people who camped around gossip threads to "sit in the front row and eat melon seeds." The metaphorical use of melon seeds suggests that these individuals are like spectators snacking on melon seeds while watching drama unfold. They are passive observers who enjoy the gossip but do not actively contribute to the discussion.
YXH (营销号 yíngxiāo hào) or MARKETING ACCOUNT - a certain kind of self-media/blog that mainly writes and shares content to get attention or make money. They spread information online and are important in shaping public opinions. Some pretend to be official media but don't follow the rules like real news outlets. Instead, they focus on making money, often by getting a lot of people to view their content. Unfortunately, this can lead to spreading false information and causing harm to the healthy environment of online opinions so it's important to note that many contents from yxh are untrue and unreliable. Also previously discussed in this sub and probably better explained by u/synergysb here.
CP (配对 peidui) - an abbreviation from COUPLING borrowed from the original Japanese term カップリング (kappuringu), used to refer to ship or romantic relationships between two individuals (e.g. "They're watching Untamed for the Lan Wangji/Wei Wuxian CP.") Their shipper are called CPF (CP粉).
CP HYPE (炒CP/营业, chǎo CP/yíngyè) - promoting CP through certain ambiguous moves, often considered a commercial marketing behavior.
SUGACANDY 🍬 (糖 táng) - a sweet CP interaction. [Self-explanatory] or couple’s hints and moments. SEE ALSO: kswl (嗑死我了ke si wo le) which means A fangirling expression which can be interpreted as "they're too sweet, I'm dead."
IDOL (偶像 ouxiang) - 'idol' in the sense of like a statue or other representation of a god that people back in the day might have busied themselves with worshiping. Like as in putting a 'false idol' before the true [whatever.] 偶像 can also be used colloquially, in not very serious contexts, to say that so-and-so is your 'hero.' The current usage of 偶像 to refer to younger popular "celebrities," as opposed to more serious/professional/whatever "actors," comes from a very early Japanese borrowing/re-imagining of the English word 'idol' (アイドル) to cover that class of young, pretty, and famous people that English used to call something like 'heartthrobs.'
SAJIAO (撒娇) - the act of deliberately behaving coquettishly or acting spoiled, often taking advantage of being favored; “to act like a spoiled child.”
YYDS (永远的神 yǒngyuǎn de shén) - Eternal God, describes an outstanding person or thing. Pretty much equivalent to GOAT (Greatest Of All Time).
XIAO HUA (小花) 🌸 - literally translating to LITTLE FLOWER, it refers to almost all young actresses, regardless of their popularity, reputation, and acting skills. The most popular ones are generally called Liuliang Xiao Hua (流量小花).
EMPEROR (皇 huang) - refers to an individual who is highly favored by the company, enjoying a continuous influx of resources and possessing advantages over others within the same group or program.
LITTLE FRESH MEAT (小鲜肉 xiǎo xiānròu) - young, handsome, and popular male celebrities, often used to describe a new generation of attractive and trendy actors.
xx花/xx🌸 - actresses from XX year onwards, usually grouped in sets of five years; hua (花) means flower in English, hence the flower emoji. (e.g. "Liu Yifei is my favorite 85花.")
xx生/xx⚔️ (xx shēng) - actors from XX year onwards, usually grouped in sets of five years.
Xx后/xx花生/xx🥜 (xx hòu/xx huāshēng) - actors from XX year onwards, usually grouped in sets of five years but it’s gender neutral meaning it can apply to both actors and actresses.
OUT OF CIRCLE (出圈 chujuan) - to break out (to the mainstream). This generally refers to a rise in the popularity of a particular idol or celebrity. They go beyond the attention of just their fanbase, entering the public eye and becoming a genuine "public figure." Later, this concept was extended beyond individuals and can also be applied to events and objects, signifying that they gain recognition beyond their initial circle.
PASSERSBY (路人 lu ren) - non-fans; also refers to pedestrians, passersby, or, in gaming terminology, players who are not directly involved in a particular situation. It metaphorically describes people who are unrelated or indifferent to a situation as if they were just ordinary passersby.
WATER ARMY (水军 shui jun) - online paid posters and social media bots commenting or posting predefined content on online platforms. In the entertainment industry, water armies are used to promote, defame, or boost data on particular works or celebrities.
WATER-INJECTED - an article, a celebrity's social media account, a TV show, a movie, etc. that is flooded with fake data, typically generated by the water army.
WHITEWASH (洗白 xǐ bái) - engaging in intentional deception and employing various tactics to divert attention and make the public forget about a celebrity's problematic past. For example, a celebrity with a controversial past may attempt to whitewash their image by actively participating in charity work or government programs. Over time, the positive activities and energy they showcase can overshadow and cause people to overlook their past scandals.
HOUSE COLLAPSED (房子塌了 fangzi tale) - a term said when there is a celebrity involved in love scandal that originated from an interview where a woman said, “When I saw a house collapsed over there, I just went over to watch but I found out that it was my own house collapsing.” In C-fandom, when someone said that her “house collapsed,” she meant she thought she was about to read about love scandals of other people’s idols with excitement, but it turned out to be her own idol. But it doesn't only mean that your idol is caught in a love scandal. Any moral scandal or crime (such as drug abuse, prostitution, tax evasion) that happens to them can be described as a house collapse.
CAR FLIPPED (翻车 fanche) - unexpected and unsatisfactory things happening, e.g: an excellent gamer losing the game, your online girlfriend turning out to be a scammer, a celebrity saying something stupid/ opposite to what she used to say on TV, etc.
BLACK (黑 hēi) - slandering and creating or spreading negative information to defame someone or some projects, usually done by anti-fans.
BLACK MATERIALS (黑料 hei liao) - information or historical records (which can be either true or not) that will have a negative impact on a celebrity or a project.
BLACK RED (黑红 hei hong) - creating controversies and negative narratives about oneself with the primary goal of garnering attention. After gaining fame, they may attempt to "whitewash" their public image but in the event that these efforts to whitewash are unsuccessful, it's commonly referred to as a "car-flipped" incident.
HEAT (热度 redu) - popularity, but it’s more of short-term enthusiasm than long-term recognition. See also: RUB HEAT (蹭热 cengre) which means riding the wave of someone else’s popularity.
RED (红 hóng) - a person, celebrity, film, song, or any work in general that is hot, famous, or popular. FIRE (火 huǒ) has the same meaning.
DOMESTIC ENT. INDUSTRY (内娱 nèiyú/内🐟) - the fish emoji in 内🐟 might be a play on words as the pronunciation of 鱼 (yú) = fish is similar to the pronunciation of 娱 (yú) = entertainment.
FLOP (糊 hu) - in the context of actors or dramas refers to a flop or failure. It is used to describe a lack of success either for individual actors or for entire dramas. In some cases, it might be used affectionately or humorously to acknowledge a less successful performance or production.
DAIPAI (代拍) - literally translated to "proxy photography" or "photo-taking service," they are essentially similar to paparazzi who follow and take photos of celebrities for commercial gain but aside from just selling the photos to publications or entertainment outlets, their services can also be engaged by fans which is why the internet slang literally means to be a substitute 代 (dai) in taking photos of others 拍 (pai).
FAN CIRCLE (粉圈 fěnquān) - fandom. FRIEND CIRCLE (朋友圈 péngyǒu quān) - when a C-citizen mentions his/her friend circle, he/she is most likely talking about his/her Weixin (Wechat)'s feed.
OFFICIAL FANCLUB/HYH (后援会 hòu yuán huì) - a leading organization representing a fandom, usually established by a group of fans gathering together and recruiting new people to support and promote a celebrity. They have certain decision-making and economic power in the fandom. Official Fanclubs are more professional nowadays as they establish contacts with celebrity teams to manage the fandoms' operation following the teams' directions.
FANSITE MASTERS (站子/站姐 zhanzi or zhanjie) - dedicated fans who follow their idols to take stunning photos and share them online. They're also the organizers of many fan support projects. Fansite masters and stalker fans both have the celebrities' itineraries through various sources, but fansite masters only follow public work schedules that allow fans or the general public to attend, including public airport schedules.
ANTI FAN (黑粉 hēi fěn) - “black powder,” 黑 (hēi) means black, and 粉 (fěn) is short for 粉丝 (fěnsī), which means fan that’s why it literally translates to "black fan" and is the equivalent of an anti-fan or someone who opposes and criticizes a celebrity.
PAPARAZZI (狗仔 gǒu zǎi) - photographers who secretly follow celebrities to take photos or sneak shots in hopes of discovering hot gossip and breaking news.
C位 (c wèi) - the center position in a group of people, the most important and visible to the audience. It is usually held by the person with the greatest qualification and the highest status. The center position is a visible form of the power a celebrity holds and an important proof of a celebrity’s status in the entertainment industry.
FAN WEI (番位) - the order of actors’ names on film posters or other promotional materials. The first name is yi fan (一番). Fan wei implies an actor’s status and value in the industry and guarantees an actor’s responsibilities for and benefits from the film or work itself. Fan wei can also be used in music, shows, etc., and is not limited to film nowadays.
HANG SOMEONE UP AND BEAT THEM (吊打 diào dǎ) - If saying A hangs B up and beats B, it means A’s data, appearance, talent, etc., outperforming that of B.
JIULOUYU (九漏鱼 jiǔ lòu yú, short for 九年义务教育漏网之鱼. 九年义务教育 means nine years of compulsory education regulated by the Chinese Government, 漏网之鱼 means a fish that escaped the net) - celebrities who show a lack of education.
JIAXIKA (加戏咖 jiā xì kā) - “drama guy;” actors or actresses who have a strong influence and ask writers and directors for more significant roles in the drama, often seen as unprofessional and disrespectful. However, because the behavior is difficult to determine by the public, it is often used as an excuse to criticize actors they do not like.
ZIYUANKA (资源咖 zīyuán kā) - “resources guy;” actors or actresses with a strong background who get important roles beyond their abilities and fame.
DAIBAOKA (待爆咖 dài bào kā) - “to explode guy,” actors or actresses waiting to become super popular. Originally used to describe stars with great potential, it is often used satirically.
OTHER TERMINOLOGY
HEAT INDEX - The Heat Index measures the engagement and popularity of a drama and can only be compared within networks, not across networks (you can't compare iQiyi heat index to Youku, or Youku to Tencent and vice versa), as each platform has its own internal Heat Index to indicating how a drama is performing. It takes into account the video views, searches, and engagement for a drama (but no one actually knows except the company itself how it works, but it is deemed as a proper gauge to see how popular a drama is).- TENCENT - The significance of Tencent Heat Index, as interpreted by user Dreams in MyDramaList, is based on specific thresholds: a drama is deemed somewhat popular when the index reaches 20k while achieving 28k denotes strong recognition and popularity. A drama surpassing the 30k mark is considered super popular and successful, positioning it as a top drama on the platform. Importantly, a score of 30k is not a ceiling, and dramas can attain even higher scores, reflecting their exceptional popularity and success.
- IQIYI - The significance of iQiyi Heat Index, as interpreted by user Dreams in MyDramaList, is based on specific thresholds: a drama attains a degree of popularity when the index reaches 5,5k (or 6k for dramas with same-day episode releases). A drama achieving a score of 9k+ is recognized as well-known and highly popular while a drama surpassing the 10k mark can be categorized as super popular and successful, signifying its status as a top-tier offering on the platform. Importantly, the 10k score is not a ceiling, and dramas have the potential to achieve even higher scores, underscoring their exceptional popularity and success.
- YOUKU - The significance of Youku Heat Index, as interpreted by user Dreams in MyDramaList, is based on specific thresholds: a drama attains some popularity when the index reaches 6k. A drama that reaches 10k once is considered well-known and highly popular while for a drama to be deemed super popular and successful, it must reach 10k at least 10 times, signifying its status as a top-tier offering on the platform. Importantly, 10k serves as the upper limit, and the score cannot exceed this threshold. For dramas that have reached 10k, their ongoing popularity is assessed based on their ability to consistently maintain this score.
Note: The comparison between dramas from the same company is also not significant as the score's meaning varies depending on factors such as the actors involved, the popularity of the intellectual property (IP), and the drama's budget. In the case of a high-budget drama featuring popular actors and a well-known IP, reaching a score of 8k can be considered average while a low-budget production with less-known actors and a less popular IP, achieving a score of 8k could indicate that the drama is a success.TV RATING - A rating of 1% or higher is already considered good in average ratings, given the generally low ratings across the board (hence why you might see fans celebrating if their faves managed to break through the 1%+ rating). Dramas airing on CCTV-1 and CCTV-8 enjoy built-in ratings boosts due to their status as national channels, providing broader accessibility across the country. These channels tend to attract an older audience. There are three primary TV ratings systems: the NRTA's CVB ratings, released weekly for the previous week since December 2019 and considered the official reference; CSM ratings, widely used before the introduction of CVB, faced issues with transparency and accuracy controversies, leading to the adoption of CVB; and Kuyun ratings, a third-party system that measures ratings in real-time.
VLINKAGE - a domestic professional entertainment data and marketing strategy consulting company, founded in 2012 in Shanghai, dedicated to assisting various stakeholders in the cultural and media industry. This includes film and television content production companies, talent agencies, video marketing companies, video playback platforms, and advertising client dynamics.
DOUBAN (豆瓣) - an online database and social networking service that enables registered users to document information and generate content related to films, books, music, recent events, and activities in Chinese cities. As of 2013, it boasts approximately 200 million registered users, with some Chinese authors and critics creating official personal pages on the platform. Often likened to review sites like IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, and Goodreads. Even immensely popular ones may not receive high ratings (in the 6s or 7s) as Douban users' preferences indicate that genres like romances and historical dramas might not be highly regarded unless exceptional or deemed iconic (e.g., Chinese Paladin, NIF).
DRAMA TIERS - Streaming platforms assign class designations to dramas for their internal business and investor purposes. However, fans have recently become more interested in these designations, linking them to their favorite actors' resources and status. It's important to know that there's no official list for these classes, and platforms don't publicly announce them. Instead, the information is shared with marketing and drama accounts, which then report it on Weibo. For Tencent and Youku, S+ is the top class for headliner dramas, getting more budget and promotion. After S+ are S, A (with Youku having A+ between S and A), and B. Tencent has the most S+ designations, and Youku has started making more S+/S dramas recently. iQIYI's class designations are less clear now, but it's believed they have S as the highest, followed by A and B. Note that a drama's class designation doesn't always reflect its success or quality. These designations are decided for business reasons before filming starts.
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Last but not least, I am not a native Chinese speaker and I am still in the process of learning Mandarin so I welcome any corrections either through the comment on the subreddit thread or private message as I have only cross-referenced the information using online resources only.
Last updated on December 6, 2023.
2023.10.24 07:18 aokiwasuke Story about PS2CPC（Planetside2 Chinese Player Community）: Planetside 2 is not just a game
 | I am AOKIWASUKE, representing the Planetside 2 Chinese Players Community (PS2CPC). If some people see us in Emerald, yes we have moved the community outfit here. I am also PS2CPCxAOKIWASUKE. submitted by aokiwasuke to Planetside [link] [comments] "Planetside 2" is not just a game, but a thing that has occupied many people's youth, including mine. Let's start the story from the beginning. In 2013 or 2012, I was lying in bed looking at my phone. At that time, I was still using NOKIA Lumia920. I was casually checking Youku (you can think of it as a kind of Chinese Youtube), and I saw the CG animation of Planetside2. Then I quickly learned about this game, and I found that this is definitely a game I must play once in my life. At PS2CPC, we met another administrator from Planetside2. It was an ordinary day. I was playing Planetside 2 on the Chinese server of the9 proxy. At that time, I was wandering in the woods near an Amerish AMP. Because no one took me to play, I just didn’t know what to do. Soldiers. Suddenly a burning liberator fell from the sky, and two players jumped down to repair it. I said, "Hey, do you have an organization? Can you take me to play with you?" Then the driver invited me to join this outfit with the tag TAS. It was in 2014 that I met a comrade who worked together for something we shared a passion for. In 2021, I quit soltech's KLXD (I am always grateful to this air force outfit for helping me understand this game more deeply) because I realized that running a community is what I want to do. The Planetside2 Chinese player community was created in this way in early 2021 (Chinese here actually refers to language rather than "Chinese people", and we do not exclude other Chinese-speaking areas). We have made many attempts, and now we are able to allow players to enjoy Possibility to connect with the game (to understand what's going on in the game even when not online) to serve the direction development community. This is our official website: https://ps2cpc.site We have a real-time population live broadcast service on a global server in Bilibili (almost like China’s two-dimensional version of Youtube, or China’s version of Niconico). This is a real-time population live streaming service: https://live.bilibili.com/30077794 https://preview.redd.it/g2izbt3203wb1.png?width=1187&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef4039c5befe88395405fe45135f6744e880ca17 Tencent QQ, the social IM software with the largest number of young people in China, and Kook, a platform similar to Discord, provide beautifully designed population query services and character weapon and vehicle information query services, which have gained a firm foothold among the player base in China. This is a puzzle and I realized all the pictures are too long Simply enter the command and the image will be returned In order to solve the problem of poor official Chinese, we organized members of the community to produce translations that are accurate and in line with our understanding of the standards. The core members of PS2CPC have also developed a software (but due to various reasons, the update is very slow) for online updating of Chinese language files translated by the community. The original plan includes a function that can replace 00, but it is still in production. In order to avoid some regulatory issues, we also established a company in Xiamen to handle software-related matters. SUNDERER SOFTWARE: https://sunderer.games In China, we generally don’t send emails very much. Email is just an inbox. Therefore, many people do not know how to send emails, so we designed the "Mother Hunter Missile Launch Site" (meaning: I will kill the mother of the cheater. This is a meme on the Chinese Internet, not really necessary. Killing) It is convenient for players in China to simply fill out the form on the web page and report cheaters. mother hunter missile launch site：https://form.ps2cpc.site/mhm/ The most massive thing is that we will conduct a multi-person + remote + multi-camera live broadcast event for Outfit Wars in 2022. Because we believe that using OB directly for all live broadcasts seems very amateur, unprofessional and unserious. We want to do it like CSGO games, and what we should learn from is F1 live broadcasts. Outfit Wars should leave behind a lot of exciting and inspiring videos and stories. But if it is just an internal activity among players, as the development team originally planned, then this whole thing is actually meaningless. It is just self-entertainment between Outfits and has no effect other than tormenting players. From there, CatSaysMeow and I on our team started looking for any possible solution. I can't write a line of code, and he doesn't understand anything about live streaming. But he had a superficial understanding of some functions of FFmpeg and the SRT/RTMP protocol in a few months. We found an excellent open source project "SRS" to provide ultra-low latency live streaming for commentators. I convened Soltech’s China Outfit and a large number of volunteers, and together we achieved this massive live broadcast. In the end, the victory from China Outfit made this live broadcast event without regrets. We once shared the technical details on reddit:https://www.reddit.com/Planetside/comments/xx49et/some_and_multicam_live_broadcast_solutions/ https://preview.redd.it/bk73t35j33wb1.jpg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d14fcc9489da41646b9423739a94f6b1a2e714f Outfit Wars 2022 In the director's room, the assistant director and I Our broadcast team, players who provided live broadcast seats, and commentators were all in different cities, but through OBS, SRS and Mumble, we successfully produced this live broadcast. It was also because of this event that we met Varunda from PSB, and he and Motong gave us a lot of help. We may look stupid, but more than 100% of our love for the PS2 is being wasted by RoguePlanet/Daybreak. Why not just respond to players? We can accept even the worst news, because we are still continuing to update our services and complete the things on the todo list to this day. Members of the community believe in our passion and continue to support us. I think the difference between us and the English-speaking community in terms of attitudes and emotions towards the PS2 is just a matter of language. Even though we are far away in the East, I think as long as we are all in Auraxis, we are still a family. We live here together, fight, tell jokes that will be remembered years later, and do stupid things that will go down in history. So, while everyone is saying the PS2 is dead, we decided to wait until the doctors declare the PS2 brain dead. That's why we expect any effective communication, not "Very Soon", which won't solve anything. We trust the development team to give players a good answer and make some great updates, but until then you must maintain communication with players. For PS2, players and the community are the core. |
2021.03.28 11:19 Thea_Riddle How can international fans buy the Word of Honor OST Album?
Hi guys! I was wondering if any of you knew a way to purchase the album internationally from Taobao? I already created a Taobao Account but unfortunately I think the only methods of payment available are WeChat and Alipay.
I tried using my ipad to try and purchase from the Youku VIP using Apply Pay but I don't think that option was available? Anyways, for those who have already purchased and/or planning to buy, please share your methods with us!
One of the pople I asked told me she used a proxy buyer but I have no idea how to navigate that.
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I tried using my ipad to try and purchase from the Youku VIP using Apply Pay but I don't think that option was available? Anyways, for those who have already purchased and/or planning to buy, please share your methods with us!
One of the pople I asked told me she used a proxy buyer but I have no idea how to navigate that.
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2019.05.27 12:23 SPOTO-Ethan Data forwarding process in OSI
 | The book was picked up last time, and the last time I briefly understood the role of OSIand various levels. This time we look at how data is moving between the various levels of OSI and how it is passed over the network. submitted by SPOTO-Ethan to CiscoNetworking [link] [comments] First, the package: We still consider the application layer, presentation layer, and session layer as a whole, and merge them into the application layer. What is the problem after the data is generated by the application? Who is it to pass to? How to pass? Where is the target? Which of these questions is it? For a simple example, we bought something in Tmall. Next, you will worry that the other party does not know who to lend to? Will you worry that the other party does not know your shipping address? It is estimated that it will not. Therefore, after the application layer data is generated, the next question is to determine how the data should be forwarded and controlled. This is the basic role of the transport layer. The transport layer provides a variety of transport methods, of which TCP and UDP are the most commonly used. When the data needs to ensure the integrity, order or reliability of the transfer, TCP is required to be the application. Service, and in the face of multiple applications, how does TCP distinguish the data from that application? You can't open the QQ data to Youku. It then defines the interface that provides TCP or UDP to interface with the application, namely the port. At the same time, the application will add some descriptive and controllable content in front of the data, that is, add headers to the data. This process is encapsulation. At this point, the data after encapsulation becomes a segment. Similarly, when data passes through each layer and is passed down, it tells the next layer what needs to be done, that is, to encapsulate it until the data becomes a bit. Therefore, the control of the next layer on the next layer is reflected in the contents of the package. Data forwarding in OSI https://preview.redd.it/m324modkcq031.jpg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9be969adb3b8b3aafc056f0e6de00c7a7300b22 Second, the gateway and next hop Data forwarding in OSI Because the network layer divides the network, the router connects the boundaries of different networks. Therefore, for the internal network, the router is the boundary between the internal network and the external network, that is, the gateway. In the network, routers are connected to each other to form a network topology, which is like a map that connects different networks. Therefore, to achieve communication between any two points in this map, each router in the figure must know the complete network information, which is the routing table. Therefore, for communication between different networks, the gateway router needs to select the path according to the routing table, and then forwards the data through a reasonable router interface, and forwards the data to the next router or receiver in the forwarding path. When we travel, if we want to reach a certain place, we need to change to a bus or subway in a certain place. The transfer point is equivalent to our router, and this transfer point is the next stop to reach the target. Judging from common sense, this transfer point can be the closest stop to the starting point, or the closest stop to the endpoint, as long as the site on the path can be called the next stop. In the network, the router on the data forwarding path can also be used as the next-hop path for forwarding, which is called the next-hop router. The next hop may also be the next hop closest to the starting point, that is, the next hop directly connected; or the other node router in the forwarding path, that is, the non-direct next hop. From this point of view, the gateway is actually the next-hop router directly connected, and the network layer is hop-by-hop and forwards the data through the router. Data forwarding in OSI https://preview.redd.it/am991ssjcq031.jpg?width=4288&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f17186a61d263b8741cab1786ab3e9a6f7661e13 Third, the address resolution protocol The forwarding of data is nothing more than communication within a subnet or communication between different subnets. The forwarding of data is ultimately due to being sent from the interface and received from the interface. Therefore, when data forwarding occurs, it is important to determine the interface through which the data is sent and the interface to be received. This requires an address resolution protocol. Data forwarding in OSI Both sides of the internal communication of the subnet are in the same broadcast domain. If you want to confirm the interface of the other party receiving the information, you can directly query through the broadcast. After all, the other party and I are in the same community. I only need to shout in the community to make sure that the other party is on the floor of several buildings. Data forwarding in OSI How to determine the target interface? First, it is certainly not appropriate to use the broadcast to directly ask the other party's address because the parties are not in the same broadcast domain. ARP provides another way -- proxy ARP. In short, the router at the border responds to the target in response to the ARP reply, and the router acts as a proxy to forward the data to the destination. This practice has security risks, so the proxy ARP function is usually turned off. At this time, if you want to achieve access to external data, you need to specify the gateway, or specify the next hop forwarding address, so that the gateway or the next hop router receives the data interface instead of the target response one hop to forward to the target. |
2016.12.29 03:48 zombiesingularity China as a Socialist & Marxist-Leninist State: A defense [x-post /r/communism]
Recently there was some controversy regarding my claim that China remains a Socialist and Marxist-Leninist state. I responded in the comment section, but it was pointed out by smokeuptheweed9 that I should combine the scattered comments into a single post. So here it is, with a small amount of added commentary at the beginning.
Moreover, China appoints top management, and can fire them. This is nothing like "Capitalism". This is a Marxist-Leninist tool (market socialism) with the purpose of modernizing the productive forces with the goal of building Socialism, not betraying it as many confused Leftists have wrongly claimed.
A further rebuttal on the confusion about "privatization" in China:
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China_comrade , a comrade living in China has asked me to add the following to this list:
More videos on China's Communist Party:
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Okay, here we go. I had to find many of the sources I've read in the past, and it took a while to find them. I couldn't find all of them, but the ones I could find are just as good and provide a very strong case for my stance that China remains a Socialist country, and a Marxist-Leninist state, albeit possibly with some revisionism, though nowhere near as much as many think (even the USSR was revisionist at certain points, but I would think nobody would deny that the USSR was a Marxist-Leninist Socialist state despite their revisionism). I will be providing lots of large excerpts from various sources, because in most cases they say it just as good or much better than I could:
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There is a lot more to read in this article. I encourage you to read it all, it's very good, goes on to give numerous examples of how the market reforms in China are very similar to Lenin's NEP, and how the point of the reforms is to build socialism by addressing the contradictions China faces, not to betray it:
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- China's primary contradiction was not proletariat vs bourgoisie, it was how to build socialism with underdeveloped productive forces. The answer was inspired by Lenin's NEP: a form of market-socialism, controlled by the Communist Party of China. The goal is to modernize the productive forces, to enable the building of higher stage Socialism. This is not a "betrayal" of Socialism or Mao. Far from it, in fact. The economic progress in China has been hailed as "miraculous" around the globe, as it is the fastest growing economy in the history of human civilization.
Moreover, China appoints top management, and can fire them. This is nothing like "Capitalism". This is a Marxist-Leninist tool (market socialism) with the purpose of modernizing the productive forces with the goal of building Socialism, not betraying it as many confused Leftists have wrongly claimed.
A further rebuttal on the confusion about "privatization" in China:
"Examining what companies are truly private is important because privatization is often confused with the spreading out of shareholding and the sale of minority stakes. In China, 100 percent state ownership is often diluted by the division of ownership into shares, some of which are made available to nonstate actors, such as foreign companies or other private investors. Nearly two-thirds of the state-owned enterprises and subsidiaries in China have undertaken such changes, leading some foreign observers to relabel these firms as “nonstate” or even “private.” But this reclassification is incorrect. The sale of stock does nothing by itself to alter state control: dozens of enterprises are no less state controlled simply because they are listed on foreign stock exchanges. As a practical matter, three-quarters of the roughly 1,500 companies listed as domestic stocks are still state owned."To put China's economy into perspective, allow me to quote you the following:
If the US government nationalised the 1000 largest manufacturing companies, they would have approximately the same control over the American economy as the Chinese state has over the Chinese economy. If in addition, the US state owned all the biggest banks and financial institutions (and almost only lent money to state companies), and a large slice of the service and building industries, not to mention all the land which farmers till, and introduced a five-year plan, almost nobody would deny that a planned economy had been introduced in the USA.Feel free to ask questions in this thread, add comments, build on research, etc.
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China_comrade , a comrade living in China has asked me to add the following to this list:
"I would also add to your list you can see pictures of Mao everywhere, and even pictures of Marx, Stalin, etc. One of my favorite restaurants here is a Cultural Revolution themed restaurant. All the waiters are dressed up as Red Guards!"China_comrade also linked to these two videos:
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- The Communist Party of China is with you along the way (replaced China_comrade's YouKu link with a YouTube mirror of the same video)
More videos on China's Communist Party:
Okay, here we go. I had to find many of the sources I've read in the past, and it took a while to find them. I couldn't find all of them, but the ones I could find are just as good and provide a very strong case for my stance that China remains a Socialist country, and a Marxist-Leninist state, albeit possibly with some revisionism, though nowhere near as much as many think (even the USSR was revisionist at certain points, but I would think nobody would deny that the USSR was a Marxist-Leninist Socialist state despite their revisionism). I will be providing lots of large excerpts from various sources, because in most cases they say it just as good or much better than I could:
In the mid-1930s, China was being rent asunder by four competing sides. One was the communist Red Army, headed by Mao Zedong. Another group was the Japanese fascists and their Imperial Army. A third was the Guomindang Nationalists, abbreviated “KMT” in English and ruled by Chiang Kai-Shek...Things were not going as planned for the Western empire. They were backing, hell or high water, Chiang Kai-Shek [referred to as "Peanut" or "Generalissimo" by the West]...
Americans privately understood that the very corrupt, dissipated Generalissimo and his KMT did not stand a chance against Mao and formidable Reds..."Red Star over China" became an international bestseller that year. Much to their shock...Everywhere the communists took control, opium addiction, gambling, organised crime, prostitution, feet binding, child slavery, homelessness, illiteracy and starvation were eradicated. Red Army soldiers and citizens were smiling, industrious, positive, well-fed and committed to the cause. It was clearly not propaganda and all manifestly real...
The West was caught in a philosophical, transitive loop. Mao and the Reds are communist, communism is evil, therefore everything that Mao and the Reds do must be bad. And that was the rub, this massive cognitive dissonance: they’re communists, so how can it be working so well for them?..
Unable to come to terms with their blind ideology, FDR, Washington and the popular press simply could not bring themselves to say “communists”, so Mao and Co. were dubbed “the so-called communists”....British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and Roosevelt [were told] that the Chinese were “radishes”, red on the outside, but white below the surface – not realcommunists...Thus, the square peg of CPC reality was crammed into the round hole of Western denial....
This same kind of rigid, anticommunist ideology is still going strong in the West, as it tries, mostly badly and incorrectly, to understand the Chinese people’s sociocultural evolution and Baba Beijing’s (the leadership) politico-economic management of the country. To Western mass media, politicians, movers and shakers, China is still “so-called communist”. It must be capitalist, to be doing so well, right? Just as FDR and his generation were blinded by propaganda, today’s Eurangloland and much of the rest of the world are still brainwashed. Evidence is beating Westerners over the head, if they could just take their zealous blinkers off....
Let’s start with China’s national People’s Constitution and Deng Xiaoping. Anticommunists love to fawn over Deng, like he was some kind of crusading capitalist guru. Yet, it was he who presided over the most recent rewriting of the national constitution, in 1982.¹ China’s constitution is a powerful rebuke of capitalism and everything the West stands for....
The Chinese constitution proudly splashes the term “communism” or “communist” fifteen times, “socialism” and “socialist” a whopping 123 times. Dialectical terms like “class”, “struggle”, “mass”, “independence”, “labour”, “workeworking”, “peasant”, “exploitation”, “capitalism”, “ownership”, “proletariat”, “collective”, “cooperate”, “private”, “fight”, “struggle”, (democratic) “dictatorship”, “power” and “feudal” are spelled out a total of 265 times. “Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought” are cited ten times and “revolution” twelve times....
Big government, central planning vocabulary, such as “safeguard”, “protect”, “lead”, “reform”, “rural”, “urban”, “production”, “plan”, “economy”, “system”, “administration”, “rules”, “regulations”, “institution”, “enterprise”, “science”, “technology”, “modern”, “organisation”, “manage”, “progress”, “agriculture”, “farm”, “land”, “industry”, “resources”, “education”, “central” and “develop” get cited a mind boggling 703 times....
The importance of the central government guiding the people to what is now being dubbed the Chinese Dream, is expressed by the words “state” and “government” being used 292 times....
Defiant words aimed at standing up to and defeating the West, like “hegemony”, “imperialism”, “colonialism”, “combat”, “defend”, “army”, “military”, “security”, “aggression”, “fight”, “sabotage” and “provocation” are flung like weapons a total of 85 times....
Any doubts about who is the beneficiary of China’s constitution are dispelled by “public” being used 143 times and “people”, a mind blowing 392 times, Western elitism be damned....
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- Property market bubbles? What property? Private property, for sure, but it’s not real property. All real estate is 100% owned by the people of China. There is not one square metre of private land in the People’s Republic. You can pay for up to a 70-year usage lease on a piece of land and develop it, but no one can buy the dirt.
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- Private enterprise? It is thriving for sure, but is heavily concentrated in small and medium sized enterprises (SMEs), that complement and do not seriously compete with the state sectors of the economy. The private sector is especially the many millions of mom and pop and solo businesses that blanket the country.
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- Free markets? There [are virtually no] private banks in China. They are all people powered. The world’s largest bank, Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) is state owned of course, as well as three other global Top Ten banks: #1 (ICBC), #5 China Construction Bank (CCB), #9 Bank of China (BOC) and #10 Agricultural Bank of China (ABC).³ Ditto all insurance companies, the Shanghai and Shenzhen stock and precious metals markets. Same goes for all major media outlets, especially television, radio and print media, although everyone has heard about Beijing being the new “Hollywood of the East”, which is mostly private sector.
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- Unfettered capitalism? Get outta here! Almost all major economic sectors in China are dominated by state-owned enterprises (SOEs). Everything from airlines/avionics to aerospace to chemical industries, from construction to maritime shipping to mining, from nuclear energy to petroleum to railways, from steel to telecommunications to utilities, over 100 key sectors have a huge, people-powered footprint. Many are some of the world’s biggest corporations.
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- Privatisation? You have to look beyond the deceptive headlines. Baba Beijing caps the sale of SOE stock to the public, at 30%. Furthermore, there are strict controls on making sure someone doesn’t try to control what’s offered. The ownership of the shares has to be spread out. Most of these stocks are owned by Chinese citizens (A shares), but some are on offer to foreigners (B shares). Interestingly, more and more Chinese companies, including SOEs, are doing IPOs in Western stock markets, as part of their 30%.
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- Reforms? Ha-ha-ha, the joke’s on you! Baba Beijing will never sell off the people’s SOEs. It knows that the citizens’ social harmony and economic stability are rooted in its ability to macro-manage and long term (Five-Year) plan the country’s direction, via the 100% ownership of all the real estate (Marxism’s controlling the means of production), as well as the key industries and sectors. The CPC will continue to create wealth, under the rubric of socialism with Chinese characteristics, by borrowing some capitalist trappings. But it is only transitional. Deng Xiaoping said it many times and it continues going unheard in the West, that the goal is to follow the Marxist economic path to a wealthy communist society.
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Ever since the Peoples' Republic of China invited foreign capital into the country and behind the "Bamboo Curtain", China has been dismissed by most Left observers as selling out to capitalism and class society, with all its associated evils....
Of course capitalist commentators and "expert" economists gloat over the Chinese renunciation of socialist principles and their craven debt to neo-liberal market economics. "Proof that socialism is dead", they say. But China's rapid and successful response to the capitalist Global Financial Crisis (GFC) has obliged a serious rethink of such knee-jerk assessments. Clearly China has, against all the doomsayers' predictions, survived a crisis within which their neo-liberal "betters" in Europe and the USA are drowning, and the economic miracle continues. Maybe the "Chinese Economic Miracle" is not as capitalist as most westerners think....
Upon his death in 1976, Mao's dream of China's Great Leap had not been realised, despite several attempts. After his death, a profound ideological struggle took place in the Party, between those on the "Hard Left" (led by the so called Gang of Four) who placed primary stress on a politically driven Chinese road to socialism, and the "Moderates" who were deeply materialist and favoured "Expertness" over "Redness"....
Deng Xiaoping and his faction had to address the deeper Marxist problem: that the transition from a rural/peasant political economy to modern industrial socialism was difficult, if not impossible, without the intervening stage of industrial capitalism....
Deng had always maintained that the Party's reforms were a specifically Chinese road to socialism, and subsequent leaderships have echoed the same position. On closer examination, they may well have been correct....
At no stage over the past 30 years has the State relinquished control of the "commanding heights" or "levers" of the Chinese economy:...
This is something Lenin pursued during the New Economic Policy and the various Eurocommunist parties demanded in the 1980s. Throughout, the State has directly owned more than 50 percent of all industry (mainly through State Owned Enterprises or SOEs), and holds more than a significant interest in many so called "private" enterprises and foreign ventures as well.
- agricultural pricing
- heavy industry
- power and energy
- transport
- communications
- foreign trade
- finance (state banks)
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[T]hese five countries–the Republic of Cuba, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, the Lao People’s Democratic Republic, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, and the People’s Republic of China–stand as a challenge to the goliath of Western imperialist hegemony. Among them, however, China stands unique as a socialist country whose economic growth continues to supersede even the most powerful imperialist countries....
Though an embarrassing number of Western “left” groups challenge the designation of any of these five countries as socialist, no country raises greater opposition than China. Many Western “left” groups claim that modern China is a full-fledged capitalist country. Owing their ideological heritage to bogus theoreticians like Leon Trotsky, Tony Cliffe, and Hal Draper, some groups argue that China was never a socialist country, claiming instead that the Chinese state is and has been state capitalist....
I counter their outrageous reactionary assertions with six theses:...
- First, Chinese market socialism is a method of resolving the primary contradiction facing socialist construction in China: backwards productive forces.
- Second, market socialism in China is a Marxist-Leninist tool that is important to socialist construction.
- Third, the Chinese Communist Party’s continued leadership and control of China’s market economy is central to Chinese socialism.
- Fourth, Chinese socialism has catapulted a workers state to previously unknown economic heights.
- Fifth, the successful elevation of China as a modern industrial economy has laid the basis for ‘higher’ forms of socialist economic organization.
- And sixth, China applies market socialism to its relations with the Third World and plays a major role in the fight against imperialism.
The Chinese revolution in 1949 was a tremendous achievement for the international communist movement...Despite the vast social benefits brought about by the revolution, China’s productive forces remained grossly underdeveloped and left the country vulnerable to famines and other natural disasters. Uneven development persisted between the countryside and the cities, and the Sino-Soviet split cut China off from the rest of the socialist bloc. These serious obstacles led the CCP, with Deng Xiaoping at the helm, to identify China’s underdeveloped productive forces as the primary contradiction facing socialist construction....
Unlike industrialized Western countries, the primary contradiction facing China was not between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie–the proletariat and its party had already overthrown the bourgeoisie in the 1949 revolution–but rather between China’s enormous population and its underdeveloped productive forces. While well-intended and ambitious, campaigns like the Great Leap Forward would continue to fall short of raising the Chinese masses out of poverty without revolutionizing the country’s productive forces....
From this contradiction, Deng proposed a policy of “socialism with Chinese characteristics,” or market socialism....
After Mao’s death in 1976 and the end of the Cultural Revolution a year later, the CCP ,under the leadership of Chairman Deng Xiaoping, launched an aggressive campaign of modernizing the underdeveloped productive forces in China. Known as the four modernizations–economic, agricultural, scientific & technological, and defensive–the CCP began experimenting with models for achieving these revolutionary changes....
[T]he CCP understood that building lasting socialism required a modernized industrial base. Without such a base, the Chinese masses would continue to live at the mercy of natural disasters and imperialist manipulation.
Deng outlined this goal in an October 1978 speech before the Ninth National Congress of Chinese Trade Unions:...
"The Central Committee points out that this is a great revolution in which China’s economic and technological backwardness will be overcome and the dictatorship of the proletariat further consolidated."
Since the implementation of market socialism, China has experienced unprecedented economic expansion, growing faster than every other economy in the world. Deng’s market socialism decisively lifted the Chinese masses out of systemic poverty and established the country as an economic giant whose power arguably exceeds the largest imperialist economies of the West....
Market socialism in China is a Marxist-Leninist tool that is important to socialist construction. [to modernize the backwards productive forces]...
While Deng’s concept and implementation of market socialism is a significant contribution to Marxism-Leninism, it’s not without precedent. Proletarian revolution has historically broken out in the countries where the chains of imperialism are the weakest. One of the uniting characteristics of these countries is backwards productive forces...China’s market socialism has its roots in the New Economic Policy (NEP) of the Bolsheviks....
Facing similar levels of underdevelopment and social unrest, the Bolsheviks implemented the NEP, which allowed small business owners and peasants to sell commodities on a limited market...Designed and implemented by Lenin in 1921...Correctly perceiving the importance of forging a strong alliance between the peasantry and the urban working class, Lenin crafted the NEP as a means of modernizing Russia’s rural countryside through market mechanisms....
In a piece explaining the role of trade unions in the NEP, Lenin succinctly describes the essence of the concept that Deng would later call ‘market socialism’:...
"The New Economic Policy introduces a number of important changes in the position of the proletariat and, consequently, in that of the trade unions. The great bulk of the means of production in industry and the transport system remains in the hands of the proletarian state. This, together with the nationalisation of the land, shows that the New Economic Policy does not change the nature of the workers’ state, although it does substantially alter the methods and forms of socialist development for it permits of economic rivalry between socialism, which is now being built, and capitalism, which is trying to revive by supplying the needs of the vast masses of the peasantry through the medium of the market. "
Do not neglect the gravity of Lenin’s words in this passage. He acknowledges that the introduction of markets into the Soviet economy does nothing to fundamentally alter the proletarian character of the state....
According to Lenin, capitalist relations of production can exist within and compete with socialism without changing the class orientation of a proletarian state....
Recall that Deng argued that market socialism was essential to modernizing China’s productive forces and consolidating the dictatorship of the proletariat. Lenin would have agreed wholeheartedly with Deng’s assessment, as articulated in an April 1921 article entitled “The Tax in Kind.” Lenin writes:...
"Socialism is inconceivable without large-scale capitalist engineering based on the latest discoveries of modern science. It is inconceivable without planned state organisation which keeps tens of millions of people to the strictest observance of a unified standard in production and distribution. We Marxists have always spoken of this, and it is not worth while wasting two seconds talking to people who do not understand even this (anarchists and a good half of the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries)"
Agree with market socialism or don’t, but the facts are in:...
- Fact: Market socialism is in accordance with Marxism-Leninism.
- Fact: Lenin’s view is that markets and some capitalist relations of production do not fundamentally alter the proletarian class character of a socialist state.
- Fact: Lenin believed that countries could build socialism through the use of markets.
- Fact: The principle that informs Deng’s market socialism–“to each according to his work”–comes directly from Marx.
Western commentators have predicted that China’s market reforms would lead to the downfall of the CCP since Deng announced market socialism in the late 1970s. These same commentators have repeated this claim for the last 30 years and are constantly proven wrong as China lifts itself out of poverty with the CCP at the helm. Market reforms have not altered the fundamental socialist underpinnings of Chinese society because the masses and their party continue to rule China.---Source 3---
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The so-called ‘privatization’ of small and medium-sized state industries in the mid-1990s and early 2000’s provoked an outcry from Western ‘leftists’, claiming that this represented the final victory of capitalism in China. But since ‘left’ groups are so often subject to bickering over obscure definitions and irrelevant (but no less verbose!) debates about distant historical questions, let’s see what the capitalists themselves have to say about ‘privatization’ in China. In a May 2009, Derrick Scissors of the Heritage Foundation lays the issue to rest in an article called “Liberalization in Reverse.” He writes:...
"Examining what companies are truly private is important because privatization is often confused with the spreading out of shareholding and the sale of minority stakes. In China, 100 percent state ownership is often diluted by the division of ownership into shares, some of which are made available to nonstate actors, such as foreign companies or other private investors. Nearly two-thirds of the state-owned enterprises and subsidiaries in China have undertaken such changes, leading some foreign observers to relabel these firms as “nonstate” or even “private.” But this reclassification is incorrect. The sale of stock does nothing by itself to alter state control: dozens of enterprises are no less state controlled simply because they are listed on foreign stock exchanges. As a practical matter, three-quarters of the roughly 1,500 companies listed as domestic stocks are still state owned."
While the so-called ‘privatization’ process of allows some private ownership, whether domestic or foreign, Scissors makes clear that this is a far cry from real privatization, as occurs in the United States and other capitalist countries. The state, headed by the CCP, retains a majority stake in the company and guides the company’s path.
No capitalist country in the history of the world has ever had state control over all of these industries. In countries like the United States or France, certain industries like railroads and health insurance may have state ownership, but it falls drastically short of dominating the industry. The importance of this widespread state ownership is that the essential aspects of the Chinese economy are run by the state headed by a party whose orientation is towards the working class and peasantry.
Particularly damaging to the China-as-state-capitalist argument is the status of banks and the Chinese financial system. Scissors elaborates:
"the state exercises control over most of the rest of the economy through the financial system, especially the banks. By the end of 2008, outstanding loans amounted to almost $5 trillion, and annual loan growth was almost 19 percent and accelerating; lending, in other words, is probably China’s principal economic force. The Chinese state owns all the large financial institutions, the People’s Bank of China assigns them loan quotas every year, and lending is directed according to the state’s priorities"
(CIS) published a July 2008 article that says that those who think that China is becoming a capitalist country “misunderstand the structure of the Chinese economy, which largely remains a state-dominated system rather than a free-market one.” (9) The article elaborates:...
"By strategically controlling economic resources and remaining the primary dispenser of economic opportunity and success in Chinese society, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is building institutions and supporters that seem to be entrenching the Party’s monopoly on power. Indeed, in many ways, reforms and the country’s economic growth have actually enhanced the CCP’s ability to remain in power. Rather than being swept away by change, the CCP is in many ways its agent and beneficiary."
While the CIS [The capitalist Australia-based Center for Independent Studies] goes on to cry crocodile tears about the lack of economic and political freedoms in China, Marxist-Leninists read between the lines and know the truth: China isn’t capitalist, the CCP isn’t pursuing capitalist development, and market socialism has succeeded in laying the material foundation for ‘higher socialism’....
The market is not a mode of production; rather, the market is a form of economic organization. Deng explains this distinction well in a lecture series he gave in 1992. He states:...
"The proportion of planning to market forces is not the essential difference between socialism and capitalism. A planned economy is not equivalent to socialism, because there is planning under capitalism too; a market economy is not capitalism, because there are markets under socialism too. Planning and market forces are both means of controlling economic activity." [Incidentally, Marxist economists agree with this, as do many non-Marxist economists]
Though bourgeois news sources decry China’s economic relationship with Africa as ‘imperialist’, this is a reflection of the Western trade mentality that cannot understand any economic relations in terms other than ruthless exploitation. Premier Wen Jiabao said at a 2006 summit in Cairo that Chinese-African trade relations are designed to “help African countries develop by themselves and offer training for African professionals.” The focus of the summit, according to Wen, is “reducing and remitting debts, economic assistance, personnel training and investment by enterprises.” Wen continues:...
"On the political front, China will not interfere in internal affairs of African countries. We believe that African countries have the right and capability to solve their own problems.”
This is not the attitude of imperialism. Wen’s declaration here doesn’t even reflect the rhetoric of imperialism. The US and its allies in Europe constantly uphold their right to pursue their own interests in other nations, specifically those nations that have received substantial Western capital. China’s approach is markedly different, as it uses trade as a means of developing African social infrastructure–underdeveloped because of centuries of Western colonial oppression–and functions chiefly on a policy of non-intervention. This reflects the CCP’s commitment to the Marxist-Leninist understanding of national self-determination.
While China has its shortcomings in terms of foreign relations, particularly its refusal to veto the UN Security Council resolution against Libya, it pursues a qualitatively different foreign policy from any capitalist countries. In terms of trade, China promotes independence and self-determination, where the West promotes dependence, exploitation, and subjugation. Geopolitically, it supports genuine people’s movements against imperialism and provides support to the other existing socialist countries. This is a foreign policy of cooperation deeply influenced by Marxism-Leninism....
There is a lot more to read in this article. I encourage you to read it all, it's very good, goes on to give numerous examples of how the market reforms in China are very similar to Lenin's NEP, and how the point of the reforms is to build socialism by addressing the contradictions China faces, not to betray it:
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A transitional economy is the economy which is established after capitalism and landlordism is abolished, and before there is a real socialist economy......
This document will show that the...real cause of the Chinese economic miracle [is the CCP] not the introduction of capitalism.
In China today the state owns the commanding heights of the economy and through the use of:...
- the state banks,
- the state budget,
- the five-year plan (it can decide upon the what direction the economy should take...The state planning body, the NDRC (National Development and Reform Commission) drafts the five-year plan that is then approved by the Communist Party. The SASAC controls the flow of investments to the SOEs and tries to make sure that the economy runs along the lines laid down by the five-year plan. SASAC was established in 2003 as a means of strengthening the central governments control over the economy.)
- The Chinese government does more than control the flow of investments. They also appoint the top managers. When the government thought that the managers of the two mobile and the two fixed telephone line companies were spending too much time competing with each other they switched the managers around, forcing them to take each other’s jobs, so that they would learn to co-operate better.
The main reason for planning is to abolish the anarchy of the market. That is, abolish the competition between large privately owned companies, and replace their competition with a general plan. The central state should not be involved in details which should be taken care of lower down the line. This is more or less how things function in China today....
The SOEs [State Owned Enterprises] completely dominate the capital intensive industries. It is difficult to see how Chinese capitalists will ever be able to compete with the resources of the state in these areas. Not even foreign multi-nationals, with all the resources they have at their command, are able to do so. Even though managers of state firms have some independence in deciding how to dispose over the surplus created by the workers in their industries that does not turn them into capitalists....
To fully understand the role of the state sector of the economy it is not enough to just look at what proportion they have of GDP, nor the degree of concentration. It is also important, if not more so, to look at what proportion of investments are channelled through the state sector, because investments are the driving force of the economy. And under capitalism, through the mechanism of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, the cause of the boom-slump cycle. Fortunately, statistics about fixedasset investments (investments in buildings and machinery) are also much more accurate and uncontested compared to GDP statistics....
They are divided into four periods.
State Investments as Percentage of Total Investments:
These figures are truly astonishing. They show not only that state the plays an absolutely decisive role in the economy, but also that state investments as a proportion of all investments have increased substantially since the eighties, only to fall back slightly between 2002 and 2005. This confirms that rather than moving towards capitalism in the nineties, China moved away from it...
- 1981 – 1989 (the “roaring eighties”) 78.6 percent
- 1990 – 1992 (post-Tiananmen Square) 81.2 percene
- 1993 – 2001 (the restructuring of the SOEs) 86.7 percent
- 2002 – 2005 (post-reconstruction) 85.3 percent
When an American professor of economics travelled to Shanghai in 1998 to do field research he asked a government official to introduce him to some private entrepreneurs. The official gave him a quizzical look and asked, “Are you a Harvard professor? As a Harvard professor why are you interested in those people selling watermelons, tea and rotten apples on the street?”...
Now that was probably an exaggerated view of the insignificance of the private sector, at least outside Shanghai, but it is not that far from the truth. Private Chinese companies produce things like pens, socks, shoes, toys, ties, and Christmas decorations. They are big in the building industry. They employ carpenters, plumbers and electricians, but the largest building industry, which is on the Fortune 500 list, is state owned. This company is called China State Construction and employs 294 000 people. The service sector is a much smaller sector than anywhere else in the world compared to manufacturing.
Services, where 55 percent of all private companies are found, take care of tourists, catering and haircuts among other things. These are hardly sectors that would be nationalised even in a healthy workers state. The independence of private companies is limited, as many are to a certain extent dependent on the state for supplies, distribution and even customers. Symptomatic of this is that in a survey in 1995 of 154 private firms where the state had a minority stake of an average of 30 percent it still had an average of 50 percent of the seats on the boards of these companies. Unlike in the west, proxy voting is not permitted at shareholders meetings. This favours those that own many shares. In China, that is often the state.
The Shanghai and Shenzhen stock markets have exploded (and then declined), but this does not either represent a transition to capitalism. An overwhelming proportion of companies traded there are SOEs....
If you put it all together the following picture emerges:...
If the US government nationalised the 1000 largest manufacturing companies, they would have approximately the same control over the American economy as the Chinese state has over the Chinese economy. If in addition, the US state owned all the biggest banks and financial institutions (and almost only lent money to state companies), and a large slice of the service and building industries, not to mention all the land which farmers till, and introduced a five-year plan, almost nobody would deny that a planned economy had been introduced in the USA.
1. About one third of GDP is produced by the SOEs. They are highly concentrated and completely dominate investment. They run the decisive sectors of the economy.
2. About one third of the economy is private. However, the state has a considerable influence on this sector. Firstly a large part is agriculture, which is heavily dependent on the state, and is run by peasant households that do not want to break their dependence on the state.
- Secondly, the state, although a minority shareholder, exercises a disproportionate influence over many private companies. Thirdly, the state through joint-ventures and other means has a high degree of control over foreign multinationals, and dispenses with them as soon as they can build up a domestic alternative. The residual private sector is very small.
3. About one third of GDP is produced by the TVEs. [Township and Village Enterprises. The TVEs consist of small and medium sized businesses, some export oriented, mainly in rural towns and village.] The majority of this is produced by larger TVEs controlled by local governments. The smaller ones are mainly private and are in the poorest and most backward parts of the country.
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2016.12.29 03:10 zombiesingularity China as a Socialist & Marxist-Leninist State: A defense
Recently there was some controversy regarding my claim that China remains a Socialist and Marxist-Leninist state. I responded in the comment section, but it was pointed out by smokeuptheweed9 that I should combine the scattered comments into a single post. So here it is, with a small amount of added commentary at the beginning.
Moreover, China appoints top management, and can fire them. This is nothing like "Capitalism". This is a Marxist-Leninist tool ("socialist market economy") with the purpose of modernizing the productive forces with the goal of building Socialism, not betraying it as many confused Leftists have wrongly claimed.
A further rebuttal on the confusion about "privatization" in China:
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China_comrade , a comrade living in China has asked me to add the following to this list:
More videos on China's Communist Party:
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Look like /shittankiessay linked to this thread! They hate China, of course. Left-coms/ultras hate every successful revolution, much like Trotskyists.
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Okay, here we go. I had to find many of the sources I've read in the past, and it took a while to find them. I couldn't find all of them, but the ones I could find are just as good and provide a very strong case for my stance that China remains a Socialist country, and a Marxist-Leninist state, albeit possibly with some revisionism, though nowhere near as much as many think (even the USSR was revisionist at certain points, but I would think nobody would deny that the USSR was a Marxist-Leninist Socialist state despite their revisionism). I will be providing lots of large excerpts from various sources, because in most cases they say it just as good or much better than I could:
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There is a lot more to read in this article. I encourage you to read it all, it's very good, goes on to give numerous examples of how the market reforms in China are very similar to Lenin's NEP, and how the point of the reforms is to build socialism by addressing the contradictions China faces, not to betray it:
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- China's primary contradiction was not proletariat vs bourgoisie, it was how to build socialism with underdeveloped productive forces. The answer was inspired by Lenin's NEP: a form of market-socialism, controlled by the Communist Party of China. The goal is to modernize the productive forces, to enable the building of higher stage Socialism. This is not a "betrayal" of Socialism or Mao. Far from it, in fact. The economic progress in China has been hailed as "miraculous" around the globe, as it is the fastest growing economy in the history of human civilization.
Moreover, China appoints top management, and can fire them. This is nothing like "Capitalism". This is a Marxist-Leninist tool ("socialist market economy") with the purpose of modernizing the productive forces with the goal of building Socialism, not betraying it as many confused Leftists have wrongly claimed.
A further rebuttal on the confusion about "privatization" in China:
"Examining what companies are truly private is important because privatization is often confused with the spreading out of shareholding and the sale of minority stakes. In China, 100 percent state ownership is often diluted by the division of ownership into shares, some of which are made available to nonstate actors, such as foreign companies or other private investors. Nearly two-thirds of the state-owned enterprises and subsidiaries in China have undertaken such changes, leading some foreign observers to relabel these firms as “nonstate” or even “private.” But this reclassification is incorrect. The sale of stock does nothing by itself to alter state control: dozens of enterprises are no less state controlled simply because they are listed on foreign stock exchanges. As a practical matter, three-quarters of the roughly 1,500 companies listed as domestic stocks are still state owned."To put China's economy into perspective, allow me to quote you the following:
If the US government nationalised the 1000 largest manufacturing companies, they would have approximately the same control over the American economy as the Chinese state has over the Chinese economy. If in addition, the US state owned all the biggest banks and financial institutions (and almost only lent money to state companies), and a large slice of the service and building industries, not to mention all the land which farmers till, and introduced a five-year plan, almost nobody would deny that a planned economy had been introduced in the USA.Feel free to ask questions in this thread, add comments, build on research, etc.
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China_comrade , a comrade living in China has asked me to add the following to this list:
"I would also add to your list you can see pictures of Mao everywhere, and even pictures of Marx, Stalin, etc. One of my favorite restaurants here is a Cultural Revolution themed restaurant. All the waiters are dressed up as Red Guards!"China_comrade also linked to these two videos:
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- The Communist Party of China is with you along the way (replaced China_comrade's YouKu link with a YouTube mirror of the same video)
More videos on China's Communist Party:
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Look like /shittankiessay linked to this thread! They hate China, of course. Left-coms/ultras hate every successful revolution, much like Trotskyists.
Okay, here we go. I had to find many of the sources I've read in the past, and it took a while to find them. I couldn't find all of them, but the ones I could find are just as good and provide a very strong case for my stance that China remains a Socialist country, and a Marxist-Leninist state, albeit possibly with some revisionism, though nowhere near as much as many think (even the USSR was revisionist at certain points, but I would think nobody would deny that the USSR was a Marxist-Leninist Socialist state despite their revisionism). I will be providing lots of large excerpts from various sources, because in most cases they say it just as good or much better than I could:
In the mid-1930s, China was being rent asunder by four competing sides. One was the communist Red Army, headed by Mao Zedong. Another group was the Japanese fascists and their Imperial Army. A third was the Guomindang Nationalists, abbreviated “KMT” in English and ruled by Chiang Kai-Shek...Things were not going as planned for the Western empire. They were backing, hell or high water, Chiang Kai-Shek [referred to as "Peanut" or "Generalissimo" by the West]...
Americans privately understood that the very corrupt, dissipated Generalissimo and his KMT did not stand a chance against Mao and formidable Reds..."Red Star over China" became an international bestseller that year. Much to their shock...Everywhere the communists took control, opium addiction, gambling, organised crime, prostitution, feet binding, child slavery, homelessness, illiteracy and starvation were eradicated. Red Army soldiers and citizens were smiling, industrious, positive, well-fed and committed to the cause. It was clearly not propaganda and all manifestly real...
The West was caught in a philosophical, transitive loop. Mao and the Reds are communist, communism is evil, therefore everything that Mao and the Reds do must be bad. And that was the rub, this massive cognitive dissonance: they’re communists, so how can it be working so well for them?..
Unable to come to terms with their blind ideology, FDR, Washington and the popular press simply could not bring themselves to say “communists”, so Mao and Co. were dubbed “the so-called communists”....British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and Roosevelt [were told] that the Chinese were “radishes”, red on the outside, but white below the surface – not realcommunists...Thus, the square peg of CPC reality was crammed into the round hole of Western denial....
This same kind of rigid, anticommunist ideology is still going strong in the West, as it tries, mostly badly and incorrectly, to understand the Chinese people’s sociocultural evolution and Baba Beijing’s (the leadership) politico-economic management of the country. To Western mass media, politicians, movers and shakers, China is still “so-called communist”. It must be capitalist, to be doing so well, right? Just as FDR and his generation were blinded by propaganda, today’s Eurangloland and much of the rest of the world are still brainwashed. Evidence is beating Westerners over the head, if they could just take their zealous blinkers off....
Let’s start with China’s national People’s Constitution and Deng Xiaoping. Anticommunists love to fawn over Deng, like he was some kind of crusading capitalist guru. Yet, it was he who presided over the most recent rewriting of the national constitution, in 1982.¹ China’s constitution is a powerful rebuke of capitalism and everything the West stands for....
The Chinese constitution proudly splashes the term “communism” or “communist” fifteen times, “socialism” and “socialist” a whopping 123 times. Dialectical terms like “class”, “struggle”, “mass”, “independence”, “labour”, “workeworking”, “peasant”, “exploitation”, “capitalism”, “ownership”, “proletariat”, “collective”, “cooperate”, “private”, “fight”, “struggle”, (democratic) “dictatorship”, “power” and “feudal” are spelled out a total of 265 times. “Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought” are cited ten times and “revolution” twelve times....
Big government, central planning vocabulary, such as “safeguard”, “protect”, “lead”, “reform”, “rural”, “urban”, “production”, “plan”, “economy”, “system”, “administration”, “rules”, “regulations”, “institution”, “enterprise”, “science”, “technology”, “modern”, “organisation”, “manage”, “progress”, “agriculture”, “farm”, “land”, “industry”, “resources”, “education”, “central” and “develop” get cited a mind boggling 703 times....
The importance of the central government guiding the people to what is now being dubbed the Chinese Dream, is expressed by the words “state” and “government” being used 292 times....
Defiant words aimed at standing up to and defeating the West, like “hegemony”, “imperialism”, “colonialism”, “combat”, “defend”, “army”, “military”, “security”, “aggression”, “fight”, “sabotage” and “provocation” are flung like weapons a total of 85 times....
Any doubts about who is the beneficiary of China’s constitution are dispelled by “public” being used 143 times and “people”, a mind blowing 392 times, Western elitism be damned....
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- Property market bubbles? What property? Private property, for sure, but it’s not real property. All real estate is 100% owned by the people of China. There is not one square metre of private land in the People’s Republic. You can pay for up to a 70-year usage lease on a piece of land and develop it, but no one can buy the dirt.
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- Private enterprise? It is thriving for sure, but is heavily concentrated in small and medium sized enterprises (SMEs), that complement and do not seriously compete with the state sectors of the economy. The private sector is especially the many millions of mom and pop and solo businesses that blanket the country.
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- Free markets? There [are virtually no] private banks in China. They are all people powered. The world’s largest bank, Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) is state owned of course, as well as three other global Top Ten banks: #1 (ICBC), #5 China Construction Bank (CCB), #9 Bank of China (BOC) and #10 Agricultural Bank of China (ABC).³ Ditto all insurance companies, the Shanghai and Shenzhen stock and precious metals markets. Same goes for all major media outlets, especially television, radio and print media, although everyone has heard about Beijing being the new “Hollywood of the East”, which is mostly private sector.
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- Unfettered capitalism? Get outta here! Almost all major economic sectors in China are dominated by state-owned enterprises (SOEs). Everything from airlines/avionics to aerospace to chemical industries, from construction to maritime shipping to mining, from nuclear energy to petroleum to railways, from steel to telecommunications to utilities, over 100 key sectors have a huge, people-powered footprint. Many are some of the world’s biggest corporations.
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- Privatisation? You have to look beyond the deceptive headlines. Baba Beijing caps the sale of SOE stock to the public, at 30%. Furthermore, there are strict controls on making sure someone doesn’t try to control what’s offered. The ownership of the shares has to be spread out. Most of these stocks are owned by Chinese citizens (A shares), but some are on offer to foreigners (B shares). Interestingly, more and more Chinese companies, including SOEs, are doing IPOs in Western stock markets, as part of their 30%.
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- Reforms? Ha-ha-ha, the joke’s on you! Baba Beijing will never sell off the people’s SOEs. It knows that the citizens’ social harmony and economic stability are rooted in its ability to macro-manage and long term (Five-Year) plan the country’s direction, via the 100% ownership of all the real estate (Marxism’s controlling the means of production), as well as the key industries and sectors. The CPC will continue to create wealth, under the rubric of socialism with Chinese characteristics, by borrowing some capitalist trappings. But it is only transitional. Deng Xiaoping said it many times and it continues going unheard in the West, that the goal is to follow the Marxist economic path to a wealthy communist society.
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Ever since the Peoples' Republic of China invited foreign capital into the country and behind the "Bamboo Curtain", China has been dismissed by most Left observers as selling out to capitalism and class society, with all its associated evils....
Of course capitalist commentators and "expert" economists gloat over the Chinese renunciation of socialist principles and their craven debt to neo-liberal market economics. "Proof that socialism is dead", they say. But China's rapid and successful response to the capitalist Global Financial Crisis (GFC) has obliged a serious rethink of such knee-jerk assessments. Clearly China has, against all the doomsayers' predictions, survived a crisis within which their neo-liberal "betters" in Europe and the USA are drowning, and the economic miracle continues. Maybe the "Chinese Economic Miracle" is not as capitalist as most westerners think....
Upon his death in 1976, Mao's dream of China's Great Leap had not been realised, despite several attempts. After his death, a profound ideological struggle took place in the Party, between those on the "Hard Left" (led by the so called Gang of Four) who placed primary stress on a politically driven Chinese road to socialism, and the "Moderates" who were deeply materialist and favoured "Expertness" over "Redness"....
Deng Xiaoping and his faction had to address the deeper Marxist problem: that the transition from a rural/peasant political economy to modern industrial socialism was difficult, if not impossible, without the intervening stage of industrial capitalism....
Deng had always maintained that the Party's reforms were a specifically Chinese road to socialism, and subsequent leaderships have echoed the same position. On closer examination, they may well have been correct....
At no stage over the past 30 years has the State relinquished control of the "commanding heights" or "levers" of the Chinese economy:...
This is something Lenin pursued during the New Economic Policy and the various Eurocommunist parties demanded in the 1980s. Throughout, the State has directly owned more than 50 percent of all industry (mainly through State Owned Enterprises or SOEs), and holds more than a significant interest in many so called "private" enterprises and foreign ventures as well.
- agricultural pricing
- heavy industry
- power and energy
- transport
- communications
- foreign trade
- finance (state banks)
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[T]hese five countries–the Republic of Cuba, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, the Lao People’s Democratic Republic, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, and the People’s Republic of China–stand as a challenge to the goliath of Western imperialist hegemony. Among them, however, China stands unique as a socialist country whose economic growth continues to supersede even the most powerful imperialist countries....
Though an embarrassing number of Western “left” groups challenge the designation of any of these five countries as socialist, no country raises greater opposition than China. Many Western “left” groups claim that modern China is a full-fledged capitalist country. Owing their ideological heritage to bogus theoreticians like Leon Trotsky, Tony Cliffe, and Hal Draper, some groups argue that China was never a socialist country, claiming instead that the Chinese state is and has been state capitalist....
I counter their outrageous reactionary assertions with six theses:...
- First, Chinese market socialism is a method of resolving the primary contradiction facing socialist construction in China: backwards productive forces.
- Second, market socialism in China is a Marxist-Leninist tool that is important to socialist construction.
- Third, the Chinese Communist Party’s continued leadership and control of China’s market economy is central to Chinese socialism.
- Fourth, Chinese socialism has catapulted a workers state to previously unknown economic heights.
- Fifth, the successful elevation of China as a modern industrial economy has laid the basis for ‘higher’ forms of socialist economic organization.
- And sixth, China applies market socialism to its relations with the Third World and plays a major role in the fight against imperialism.
The Chinese revolution in 1949 was a tremendous achievement for the international communist movement...Despite the vast social benefits brought about by the revolution, China’s productive forces remained grossly underdeveloped and left the country vulnerable to famines and other natural disasters. Uneven development persisted between the countryside and the cities, and the Sino-Soviet split cut China off from the rest of the socialist bloc. These serious obstacles led the CCP, with Deng Xiaoping at the helm, to identify China’s underdeveloped productive forces as the primary contradiction facing socialist construction....
Unlike industrialized Western countries, the primary contradiction facing China was not between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie–the proletariat and its party had already overthrown the bourgeoisie in the 1949 revolution–but rather between China’s enormous population and its underdeveloped productive forces. While well-intended and ambitious, campaigns like the Great Leap Forward would continue to fall short of raising the Chinese masses out of poverty without revolutionizing the country’s productive forces....
From this contradiction, Deng proposed a policy of “socialism with Chinese characteristics,” or market socialism....
After Mao’s death in 1976 and the end of the Cultural Revolution a year later, the CCP ,under the leadership of Chairman Deng Xiaoping, launched an aggressive campaign of modernizing the underdeveloped productive forces in China. Known as the four modernizations–economic, agricultural, scientific & technological, and defensive–the CCP began experimenting with models for achieving these revolutionary changes....
[T]he CCP understood that building lasting socialism required a modernized industrial base. Without such a base, the Chinese masses would continue to live at the mercy of natural disasters and imperialist manipulation.
Deng outlined this goal in an October 1978 speech before the Ninth National Congress of Chinese Trade Unions:...
"The Central Committee points out that this is a great revolution in which China’s economic and technological backwardness will be overcome and the dictatorship of the proletariat further consolidated."
Since the implementation of market socialism, China has experienced unprecedented economic expansion, growing faster than every other economy in the world. Deng’s market socialism decisively lifted the Chinese masses out of systemic poverty and established the country as an economic giant whose power arguably exceeds the largest imperialist economies of the West....
Market socialism in China is a Marxist-Leninist tool that is important to socialist construction. [to modernize the backwards productive forces]...
While Deng’s concept and implementation of market socialism is a significant contribution to Marxism-Leninism, it’s not without precedent. Proletarian revolution has historically broken out in the countries where the chains of imperialism are the weakest. One of the uniting characteristics of these countries is backwards productive forces...China’s market socialism has its roots in the New Economic Policy (NEP) of the Bolsheviks....
Facing similar levels of underdevelopment and social unrest, the Bolsheviks implemented the NEP, which allowed small business owners and peasants to sell commodities on a limited market...Designed and implemented by Lenin in 1921...Correctly perceiving the importance of forging a strong alliance between the peasantry and the urban working class, Lenin crafted the NEP as a means of modernizing Russia’s rural countryside through market mechanisms....
In a piece explaining the role of trade unions in the NEP, Lenin succinctly describes the essence of the concept that Deng would later call ‘market socialism’:...
"The New Economic Policy introduces a number of important changes in the position of the proletariat and, consequently, in that of the trade unions. The great bulk of the means of production in industry and the transport system remains in the hands of the proletarian state. This, together with the nationalisation of the land, shows that the New Economic Policy does not change the nature of the workers’ state, although it does substantially alter the methods and forms of socialist development for it permits of economic rivalry between socialism, which is now being built, and capitalism, which is trying to revive by supplying the needs of the vast masses of the peasantry through the medium of the market. "
Do not neglect the gravity of Lenin’s words in this passage. He acknowledges that the introduction of markets into the Soviet economy does nothing to fundamentally alter the proletarian character of the state....
According to Lenin, capitalist relations of production can exist within and compete with socialism without changing the class orientation of a proletarian state....
Recall that Deng argued that market socialism was essential to modernizing China’s productive forces and consolidating the dictatorship of the proletariat. Lenin would have agreed wholeheartedly with Deng’s assessment, as articulated in an April 1921 article entitled “The Tax in Kind.” Lenin writes:...
"Socialism is inconceivable without large-scale capitalist engineering based on the latest discoveries of modern science. It is inconceivable without planned state organisation which keeps tens of millions of people to the strictest observance of a unified standard in production and distribution. We Marxists have always spoken of this, and it is not worth while wasting two seconds talking to people who do not understand even this (anarchists and a good half of the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries)"
Agree with market socialism or don’t, but the facts are in:...
- Fact: Market socialism is in accordance with Marxism-Leninism.
- Fact: Lenin’s view is that markets and some capitalist relations of production do not fundamentally alter the proletarian class character of a socialist state.
- Fact: Lenin believed that countries could build socialism through the use of markets.
- Fact: The principle that informs Deng’s market socialism–“to each according to his work”–comes directly from Marx.
Western commentators have predicted that China’s market reforms would lead to the downfall of the CCP since Deng announced market socialism in the late 1970s. These same commentators have repeated this claim for the last 30 years and are constantly proven wrong as China lifts itself out of poverty with the CCP at the helm. Market reforms have not altered the fundamental socialist underpinnings of Chinese society because the masses and their party continue to rule China.---Source 3---
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The so-called ‘privatization’ of small and medium-sized state industries in the mid-1990s and early 2000’s provoked an outcry from Western ‘leftists’, claiming that this represented the final victory of capitalism in China. But since ‘left’ groups are so often subject to bickering over obscure definitions and irrelevant (but no less verbose!) debates about distant historical questions, let’s see what the capitalists themselves have to say about ‘privatization’ in China. In a May 2009, Derrick Scissors of the Heritage Foundation lays the issue to rest in an article called “Liberalization in Reverse.” He writes:...
"Examining what companies are truly private is important because privatization is often confused with the spreading out of shareholding and the sale of minority stakes. In China, 100 percent state ownership is often diluted by the division of ownership into shares, some of which are made available to nonstate actors, such as foreign companies or other private investors. Nearly two-thirds of the state-owned enterprises and subsidiaries in China have undertaken such changes, leading some foreign observers to relabel these firms as “nonstate” or even “private.” But this reclassification is incorrect. The sale of stock does nothing by itself to alter state control: dozens of enterprises are no less state controlled simply because they are listed on foreign stock exchanges. As a practical matter, three-quarters of the roughly 1,500 companies listed as domestic stocks are still state owned."
While the so-called ‘privatization’ process of allows some private ownership, whether domestic or foreign, Scissors makes clear that this is a far cry from real privatization, as occurs in the United States and other capitalist countries. The state, headed by the CCP, retains a majority stake in the company and guides the company’s path.
No capitalist country in the history of the world has ever had state control over all of these industries. In countries like the United States or France, certain industries like railroads and health insurance may have state ownership, but it falls drastically short of dominating the industry. The importance of this widespread state ownership is that the essential aspects of the Chinese economy are run by the state headed by a party whose orientation is towards the working class and peasantry.
Particularly damaging to the China-as-state-capitalist argument is the status of banks and the Chinese financial system. Scissors elaborates:
"the state exercises control over most of the rest of the economy through the financial system, especially the banks. By the end of 2008, outstanding loans amounted to almost $5 trillion, and annual loan growth was almost 19 percent and accelerating; lending, in other words, is probably China’s principal economic force. The Chinese state owns all the large financial institutions, the People’s Bank of China assigns them loan quotas every year, and lending is directed according to the state’s priorities"
(CIS) published a July 2008 article that says that those who think that China is becoming a capitalist country “misunderstand the structure of the Chinese economy, which largely remains a state-dominated system rather than a free-market one.” (9) The article elaborates:...
"By strategically controlling economic resources and remaining the primary dispenser of economic opportunity and success in Chinese society, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is building institutions and supporters that seem to be entrenching the Party’s monopoly on power. Indeed, in many ways, reforms and the country’s economic growth have actually enhanced the CCP’s ability to remain in power. Rather than being swept away by change, the CCP is in many ways its agent and beneficiary."
While the CIS [The capitalist Australia-based Center for Independent Studies] goes on to cry crocodile tears about the lack of economic and political freedoms in China, Marxist-Leninists read between the lines and know the truth: China isn’t capitalist, the CCP isn’t pursuing capitalist development, and market socialism has succeeded in laying the material foundation for ‘higher socialism’....
The market is not a mode of production; rather, the market is a form of economic organization. Deng explains this distinction well in a lecture series he gave in 1992. He states:...
"The proportion of planning to market forces is not the essential difference between socialism and capitalism. A planned economy is not equivalent to socialism, because there is planning under capitalism too; a market economy is not capitalism, because there are markets under socialism too. Planning and market forces are both means of controlling economic activity." [Incidentally, Marxist economists agree with this, as do many non-Marxist economists]
Though bourgeois news sources decry China’s economic relationship with Africa as ‘imperialist’, this is a reflection of the Western trade mentality that cannot understand any economic relations in terms other than ruthless exploitation. Premier Wen Jiabao said at a 2006 summit in Cairo that Chinese-African trade relations are designed to “help African countries develop by themselves and offer training for African professionals.” The focus of the summit, according to Wen, is “reducing and remitting debts, economic assistance, personnel training and investment by enterprises.” Wen continues:...
"On the political front, China will not interfere in internal affairs of African countries. We believe that African countries have the right and capability to solve their own problems.”
This is not the attitude of imperialism. Wen’s declaration here doesn’t even reflect the rhetoric of imperialism. The US and its allies in Europe constantly uphold their right to pursue their own interests in other nations, specifically those nations that have received substantial Western capital. China’s approach is markedly different, as it uses trade as a means of developing African social infrastructure–underdeveloped because of centuries of Western colonial oppression–and functions chiefly on a policy of non-intervention. This reflects the CCP’s commitment to the Marxist-Leninist understanding of national self-determination.
While China has its shortcomings in terms of foreign relations, particularly its refusal to veto the UN Security Council resolution against Libya, it pursues a qualitatively different foreign policy from any capitalist countries. In terms of trade, China promotes independence and self-determination, where the West promotes dependence, exploitation, and subjugation. Geopolitically, it supports genuine people’s movements against imperialism and provides support to the other existing socialist countries. This is a foreign policy of cooperation deeply influenced by Marxism-Leninism....
There is a lot more to read in this article. I encourage you to read it all, it's very good, goes on to give numerous examples of how the market reforms in China are very similar to Lenin's NEP, and how the point of the reforms is to build socialism by addressing the contradictions China faces, not to betray it:
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A transitional economy is the economy which is established after capitalism and landlordism is abolished, and before there is a real socialist economy......
This document will show that the...real cause of the Chinese economic miracle [is the CCP] not the introduction of capitalism.
In China today the state owns the commanding heights of the economy and through the use of:...
- the state banks,
- the state budget,
- the five-year plan (it can decide upon the what direction the economy should take...The state planning body, the NDRC (National Development and Reform Commission) drafts the five-year plan that is then approved by the Communist Party. The SASAC controls the flow of investments to the SOEs and tries to make sure that the economy runs along the lines laid down by the five-year plan. SASAC was established in 2003 as a means of strengthening the central governments control over the economy.)
- The Chinese government does more than control the flow of investments. They also appoint the top managers. When the government thought that the managers of the two mobile and the two fixed telephone line companies were spending too much time competing with each other they switched the managers around, forcing them to take each other’s jobs, so that they would learn to co-operate better.
The main reason for planning is to abolish the anarchy of the market. That is, abolish the competition between large privately owned companies, and replace their competition with a general plan. The central state should not be involved in details which should be taken care of lower down the line. This is more or less how things function in China today....
The SOEs [State Owned Enterprises] completely dominate the capital intensive industries. It is difficult to see how Chinese capitalists will ever be able to compete with the resources of the state in these areas. Not even foreign multi-nationals, with all the resources they have at their command, are able to do so. Even though managers of state firms have some independence in deciding how to dispose over the surplus created by the workers in their industries that does not turn them into capitalists....
To fully understand the role of the state sector of the economy it is not enough to just look at what proportion they have of GDP, nor the degree of concentration. It is also important, if not more so, to look at what proportion of investments are channelled through the state sector, because investments are the driving force of the economy. And under capitalism, through the mechanism of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, the cause of the boom-slump cycle. Fortunately, statistics about fixedasset investments (investments in buildings and machinery) are also much more accurate and uncontested compared to GDP statistics....
They are divided into four periods.
State Investments as Percentage of Total Investments:
These figures are truly astonishing. They show not only that state the plays an absolutely decisive role in the economy, but also that state investments as a proportion of all investments have increased substantially since the eighties, only to fall back slightly between 2002 and 2005. This confirms that rather than moving towards capitalism in the nineties, China moved away from it...
- 1981 – 1989 (the “roaring eighties”) 78.6 percent
- 1990 – 1992 (post-Tiananmen Square) 81.2 percene
- 1993 – 2001 (the restructuring of the SOEs) 86.7 percent
- 2002 – 2005 (post-reconstruction) 85.3 percent
When an American professor of economics travelled to Shanghai in 1998 to do field research he asked a government official to introduce him to some private entrepreneurs. The official gave him a quizzical look and asked, “Are you a Harvard professor? As a Harvard professor why are you interested in those people selling watermelons, tea and rotten apples on the street?”...
Now that was probably an exaggerated view of the insignificance of the private sector, at least outside Shanghai, but it is not that far from the truth. Private Chinese companies produce things like pens, socks, shoes, toys, ties, and Christmas decorations. They are big in the building industry. They employ carpenters, plumbers and electricians, but the largest building industry, which is on the Fortune 500 list, is state owned. This company is called China State Construction and employs 294 000 people. The service sector is a much smaller sector than anywhere else in the world compared to manufacturing.
Services, where 55 percent of all private companies are found, take care of tourists, catering and haircuts among other things. These are hardly sectors that would be nationalised even in a healthy workers state. The independence of private companies is limited, as many are to a certain extent dependent on the state for supplies, distribution and even customers. Symptomatic of this is that in a survey in 1995 of 154 private firms where the state had a minority stake of an average of 30 percent it still had an average of 50 percent of the seats on the boards of these companies. Unlike in the west, proxy voting is not permitted at shareholders meetings. This favours those that own many shares. In China, that is often the state.
The Shanghai and Shenzhen stock markets have exploded (and then declined), but this does not either represent a transition to capitalism. An overwhelming proportion of companies traded there are SOEs....
If you put it all together the following picture emerges:...
If the US government nationalised the 1000 largest manufacturing companies, they would have approximately the same control over the American economy as the Chinese state has over the Chinese economy. If in addition, the US state owned all the biggest banks and financial institutions (and almost only lent money to state companies), and a large slice of the service and building industries, not to mention all the land which farmers till, and introduced a five-year plan, almost nobody would deny that a planned economy had been introduced in the USA.
1. About one third of GDP is produced by the SOEs. They are highly concentrated and completely dominate investment. They run the decisive sectors of the economy.
2. About one third of the economy is private. However, the state has a considerable influence on this sector. Firstly a large part is agriculture, which is heavily dependent on the state, and is run by peasant households that do not want to break their dependence on the state.
- Secondly, the state, although a minority shareholder, exercises a disproportionate influence over many private companies. Thirdly, the state through joint-ventures and other means has a high degree of control over foreign multinationals, and dispenses with them as soon as they can build up a domestic alternative. The residual private sector is very small.
3. About one third of GDP is produced by the TVEs. [Township and Village Enterprises. The TVEs consist of small and medium sized businesses, some export oriented, mainly in rural towns and village.] The majority of this is produced by larger TVEs controlled by local governments. The smaller ones are mainly private and are in the poorest and most backward parts of the country.
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2016.11.21 11:54 SCARfaceRUSH Have You Tried Circumventing the Great Firewall of China? How Did You Do It?
I have a very specific Chinese forum that will definitely like the product that I'm trying to share. I even have someone, who might help me with translating/communicating with people on that forum.
But it requires a QQ account and I can't even login NOT being in China.
I tried Unblock Youku and various free proxy solutions, but nothing really works.
Any tips would be appreciated.
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But it requires a QQ account and I can't even login NOT being in China.
I tried Unblock Youku and various free proxy solutions, but nothing really works.
Any tips would be appreciated.
2015.09.21 04:22 juanqunt Free Yourself From Western Ideologies: Einstein, Ikkyu, Taoism, Poop Pills, and Red Pills
Be free from Western religions and ideologies, from feminism to Nazism, from Christianity to gnostic Atheists, from scientology to devil worshipping. They are all the same thing. They have inherent ideologies about good vs. evil. They are built upon fear and false dichotomies. Stop all of that shit.
The Tao that can be expressed is not the eternal Tao, so I will not offer my own interpretations… but Einstein, motherfucka!
You see, the Theory of Relativity is the scientific explanation of Taoist philosophy. Here are some Taoist quotes from Einstein:
I strongly recommend reading Create Your Own Religion by Daniele Bolleli.
Now for the part you all really care about: How will Taoism get me bitches? Well, let me tell you that even The Red Pill is too ideological and that Taoism is the True Red Pill. TRP made the mistake of trying to rationally explain what cannot be completely rationally explained: women and emotions. The Tao that can be expressed is not the eternal Tao. Taoism lets you unlearn all the bullshit beta behavior you learned from either western education or your parents’ Confucianism. Understand that females are emotional creatures that cannot be dealt with logically, so don’t even waste your time trying to overthink about them. Just activate your reptilian brain and do what’s natural. They will subconsciously gravitate towards you and see you as the alpha. In a world where everyone else focuses only on developing the frontal cortex, you will be the one with the strongest reptilian brain. The only one with full control over his emotions and not swayed by any of the worldly shit tests women constantly throw at you. That’s true alpha.
Also, enjoy the journey of life and worry only about your own marginal utility. Approach whatever girl you feel like in the moment; there is no need to care if she will be your long term girlfriend or not. If you enjoyed the moment and learned something from it that made you a better person, that’s good enough. Taoist philosophy and meditation gives you real frame that can’t be faked through any inefficient PUA methods. There’s a reason why most Brazilian Jujitsu masters train while high. They want to be fully relaxed and only use their reptilian brain instincts during the fight. The more you tense up and try to think about the techniques, the more you fuck up. You gotta internalize everything and operate from your subconscious mind. Women suck at frontal cortex thinking; that’s why they fail in modern STEM fields… but they are much more experienced in subconscious thinking. You must communicate with them using the same language. Once you can mind fuck them, you can continue with body fucking. Without this deep subconscious connection, you would only be able to game confused, easy girls who are already fucked up. Only when you master Zen and the Art of Mindfucking can you really fuck any girl you want, and by then you will become much more selective yourself. This is why Frank Yang was able to fuck 100 girls in one year.
Also look up Ikkyu. He was a Zen Buddhism monk. He was in “monk mode” all the time, but it’s far superior to the TRP version of “monk mode”, because he was an alpha with a cult following who got drunk and fucked bitches on the daily. He was also the cheekiest kunt of all time. My favorite anime while growing up was Ikkyu-san. You can watch it on Youku if you have a Chinese proxy or VPN. Let me know if you find an English version.
This post is probably hard to read, but it’s good food for thoughts. Yes, I did just relate literal shit pills to Einstein to religion to martial arts to Frank Yang to Red Pill to …
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The Tao that can be expressed is not the eternal Tao, so I will not offer my own interpretations… but Einstein, motherfucka!
You see, the Theory of Relativity is the scientific explanation of Taoist philosophy. Here are some Taoist quotes from Einstein:
A human being is part of the whole called by us universe ... We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive.It’s no coincidence that most of the world class performers interviewed by Tim Ferriss practice some form of meditation. Steve Jobs was greatly influenced by Buddhism. Wim Hof uses Tummo meditation techniques to be able to survive in extreme cold and heat, and control his immune system. It’s ironic that at the forefront of Silicon Valley biotechnology are companies that cure sick people by literally feeding them the shit of healthy people. The most sophisticated is the same as the crudest. The world is round. The future of the West is the ancient East. As Asians in Western countries, we can effectively fill this niche.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.
Reality is merely an illusion, although a very persistent one.
The only reason for time is so that everything doesn’t happen at once.
Until this moment, I never understood how hard it was to lose something you never had.
I sometimes ask myself how it came about that I was the one to develop the theory of relativity. The reason, I think, is that a normal adult never stops to think about problems of space and time. These are things which he has thought about as a child.
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
Many times a day I realize how much my own life is built upon the labors of my fellowmen, and how earnestly I must exert myself in order to give in return as much as I have received.
Satisfaction lies in the effort, not in the attainment. Full effort is full victory.
I strongly recommend reading Create Your Own Religion by Daniele Bolleli.
Now for the part you all really care about: How will Taoism get me bitches? Well, let me tell you that even The Red Pill is too ideological and that Taoism is the True Red Pill. TRP made the mistake of trying to rationally explain what cannot be completely rationally explained: women and emotions. The Tao that can be expressed is not the eternal Tao. Taoism lets you unlearn all the bullshit beta behavior you learned from either western education or your parents’ Confucianism. Understand that females are emotional creatures that cannot be dealt with logically, so don’t even waste your time trying to overthink about them. Just activate your reptilian brain and do what’s natural. They will subconsciously gravitate towards you and see you as the alpha. In a world where everyone else focuses only on developing the frontal cortex, you will be the one with the strongest reptilian brain. The only one with full control over his emotions and not swayed by any of the worldly shit tests women constantly throw at you. That’s true alpha.
Also, enjoy the journey of life and worry only about your own marginal utility. Approach whatever girl you feel like in the moment; there is no need to care if she will be your long term girlfriend or not. If you enjoyed the moment and learned something from it that made you a better person, that’s good enough. Taoist philosophy and meditation gives you real frame that can’t be faked through any inefficient PUA methods. There’s a reason why most Brazilian Jujitsu masters train while high. They want to be fully relaxed and only use their reptilian brain instincts during the fight. The more you tense up and try to think about the techniques, the more you fuck up. You gotta internalize everything and operate from your subconscious mind. Women suck at frontal cortex thinking; that’s why they fail in modern STEM fields… but they are much more experienced in subconscious thinking. You must communicate with them using the same language. Once you can mind fuck them, you can continue with body fucking. Without this deep subconscious connection, you would only be able to game confused, easy girls who are already fucked up. Only when you master Zen and the Art of Mindfucking can you really fuck any girl you want, and by then you will become much more selective yourself. This is why Frank Yang was able to fuck 100 girls in one year.
Also look up Ikkyu. He was a Zen Buddhism monk. He was in “monk mode” all the time, but it’s far superior to the TRP version of “monk mode”, because he was an alpha with a cult following who got drunk and fucked bitches on the daily. He was also the cheekiest kunt of all time. My favorite anime while growing up was Ikkyu-san. You can watch it on Youku if you have a Chinese proxy or VPN. Let me know if you find an English version.
This post is probably hard to read, but it’s good food for thoughts. Yes, I did just relate literal shit pills to Einstein to religion to martial arts to Frank Yang to Red Pill to …
2015.07.12 19:56 saelba New macbook air can't access some pages without VPN
I'm stumped. I've searched through google, and have no idea.
I'm using a new macbook air with yosemite, and the only settings I've changed are the DNS in an attempt to fix this problem, I changed the DNS to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 from default. It hasn't helped.
Using either Chrome or Safari, there are certain sites I cannot access unless I turn on my VPN. For example, I can't access blogspot. I can't google search. I can't go to certain stores of shops. When I try to go to the pages they will load indefinitely and eventually say that the specific page can't be found. At the bottom status bar, the page will always say it is connecting. My youku homepage gets a google 404 but when the VPN is on, it works super quickly and with no issues. It is the same for any situation - can't access it with VPN off but when I turn the VPN on, the problem disappears.
I tried to replicate the problem on another computer connected to the same network and couldn't so it's a problem somewhere within my computer.
I'm in Canada so there is no issue with government firewalls (I have the VPN because I live in China most of the year, but this computer hasn't been in China yet).
So far, I've tried changing the DNS to google's DNS servers but it hasn't helped.
What do I do now?
Edit: error msg from Chrome:
This webpage is not available
ERR_TIMED_OUT ReloadHide details
Google Chrome could not load the webpage because www.techrepublic.com took too long to respond. The website may be down, or you may be experiencing issues with your Internet connection. Check your Internet connection Check any cables and reboot any routers, modems, or other network devices you may be using. Allow Chrome to access the network in your firewall or antivirus settings. If it is already listed as a program allowed to access the network, try removing it from the list and adding it again. If you use a proxy server... Check your proxy settings or contact your network administrator to make sure the proxy server is working. If you don't believe you should be using a proxy server: Go to Applications > System Preferences > Network > Advanced > Proxies and deselect any proxies that have been selected.
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I'm using a new macbook air with yosemite, and the only settings I've changed are the DNS in an attempt to fix this problem, I changed the DNS to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 from default. It hasn't helped.
Using either Chrome or Safari, there are certain sites I cannot access unless I turn on my VPN. For example, I can't access blogspot. I can't google search. I can't go to certain stores of shops. When I try to go to the pages they will load indefinitely and eventually say that the specific page can't be found. At the bottom status bar, the page will always say it is connecting. My youku homepage gets a google 404 but when the VPN is on, it works super quickly and with no issues. It is the same for any situation - can't access it with VPN off but when I turn the VPN on, the problem disappears.
I tried to replicate the problem on another computer connected to the same network and couldn't so it's a problem somewhere within my computer.
I'm in Canada so there is no issue with government firewalls (I have the VPN because I live in China most of the year, but this computer hasn't been in China yet).
So far, I've tried changing the DNS to google's DNS servers but it hasn't helped.
What do I do now?
Edit: error msg from Chrome:
This webpage is not available
ERR_TIMED_OUT ReloadHide details
Google Chrome could not load the webpage because www.techrepublic.com took too long to respond. The website may be down, or you may be experiencing issues with your Internet connection. Check your Internet connection Check any cables and reboot any routers, modems, or other network devices you may be using. Allow Chrome to access the network in your firewall or antivirus settings. If it is already listed as a program allowed to access the network, try removing it from the list and adding it again. If you use a proxy server... Check your proxy settings or contact your network administrator to make sure the proxy server is working. If you don't believe you should be using a proxy server: Go to Applications > System Preferences > Network > Advanced > Proxies and deselect any proxies that have been selected.
2014.07.28 03:05 coloncalamity Proxy based in China?
So there are a thousand posts asking how to get over the Great Firewall, but what if I want to get back in? I'm in America and when I try to look up TV shows on youku or whatever I get error messages about how I have to be in the mainland to watch it. I've tried looking up proxies but even in Chinese I can't seem to find anything. Anyone have a solution?
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2014.01.30 21:15 NibiruHybrid Does China even know what Nyancat is?
China needless to say is a huge market and has played a major role in the world of crypto-currencies.
I'm sure the Chinese admiration for cats is just as much as ours.
However there is one thing that really concerns me about Nyancoins future prospects.
I've been watching Nyancoin from the sidelines up until now.
Is there any Chinese presence at the moment in the Nyancoin community if not what is being done to counteract that?
Youtube is banned in China? so the viral phenomenon of the Nyancat video falls short on China right?
They have no connection to it what so ever so the chances are Nyancoin will not resonate with them from a familiarity standpoint. Is that fair to say?.....
What is been done in the Nyancoin community to get China on board?
Before anyone replies saying they can use proxies. Yes China use proxies to access things like Facebook etc that have been restricted. However for videos they use Youku which is the Chinese version of Youtube.
I'm not saying any of this to bash Nyancoin and just for transparency I do not hold any position in Nyancoin.
When I look at coin, I look at the fundamentals and technicalities especially in a market where new coins are being released on what seems a daily basis.
I think Nyancoin has potential but once you get past the Youtube familiarity of the western world you must ask yourself what is the market your are competing in. You have other cat cryptos such as (Kittehcoin, Catcoin) and when we look at the most successful crypto-currencies I think Nyancoin really needs to up its game if it truly wants to rival the best and appeal on a global basis.
I do not want to come across too harsh as it is amazing to see what the community has achieved so far. The only reason i'm commenting is I can see the Nyancoin movement has passion. I'm just not sure how you are going to win over the people of China, India and the rest of the world.
I look forward to your comments, ideas and suggestions....
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I'm sure the Chinese admiration for cats is just as much as ours.
However there is one thing that really concerns me about Nyancoins future prospects.
I've been watching Nyancoin from the sidelines up until now.
Is there any Chinese presence at the moment in the Nyancoin community if not what is being done to counteract that?
Youtube is banned in China? so the viral phenomenon of the Nyancat video falls short on China right?
They have no connection to it what so ever so the chances are Nyancoin will not resonate with them from a familiarity standpoint. Is that fair to say?.....
What is been done in the Nyancoin community to get China on board?
Before anyone replies saying they can use proxies. Yes China use proxies to access things like Facebook etc that have been restricted. However for videos they use Youku which is the Chinese version of Youtube.
I'm not saying any of this to bash Nyancoin and just for transparency I do not hold any position in Nyancoin.
When I look at coin, I look at the fundamentals and technicalities especially in a market where new coins are being released on what seems a daily basis.
I think Nyancoin has potential but once you get past the Youtube familiarity of the western world you must ask yourself what is the market your are competing in. You have other cat cryptos such as (Kittehcoin, Catcoin) and when we look at the most successful crypto-currencies I think Nyancoin really needs to up its game if it truly wants to rival the best and appeal on a global basis.
I do not want to come across too harsh as it is amazing to see what the community has achieved so far. The only reason i'm commenting is I can see the Nyancoin movement has passion. I'm just not sure how you are going to win over the people of China, India and the rest of the world.
I look forward to your comments, ideas and suggestions....
2013.08.11 12:59 xEnkidu Using Automatic Proxy on Android?
I just purchased my first android product a few days ago (Galaxy Note 8.0), and I'm trying to install an automatic proxy.
I'm trying to install a proxy because I want access to sites like youku and sohu, which is only available to users in the Mainland China.
I've searched throughout the system and Google, but can't find a way to install the following proxy site: http://yo.uku.im/proxy.pac
Most of the answers I've seen on Google is to root the device and use ProxyDroid from the Google Play Store, but I have 0 knowledge of rooting, and would like to stay away from it as much as possible.
Any help as to how to use the automatic proxy would be much appreciated, or if there is another way to access those sites I've listed previously would be a nice alternative as well.
Thanks in advance.
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I'm trying to install a proxy because I want access to sites like youku and sohu, which is only available to users in the Mainland China.
I've searched throughout the system and Google, but can't find a way to install the following proxy site: http://yo.uku.im/proxy.pac
Most of the answers I've seen on Google is to root the device and use ProxyDroid from the Google Play Store, but I have 0 knowledge of rooting, and would like to stay away from it as much as possible.
Any help as to how to use the automatic proxy would be much appreciated, or if there is another way to access those sites I've listed previously would be a nice alternative as well.
Thanks in advance.
2013.08.02 18:07 tabledresser [Table] IamAn editor at the Chinese government's official news agency. AMA!
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| Questions | Answers |
|---|---|
| How does Xinhua come up with ideas for slideshows? They are a little different than slideshows you might expect from Reuters or AP. | HAHAHA dude. The Xinhua slideshows are a running joke in my department. If enough people bother me to do so, I'll post some of the more ridiculous ones. I want to meet the guy who's responsible for those so badly. But there is little to no communication between departments here, so I don't even know whodunit. I'm only responsible for editing stories, photo stuff is an entirely different unit. Edit: "embarrassed by tight sport pants" has some gnarly cameltoe action, maybe NSFW. Unless you work for a porn company. Or Xinhua, evidently. |
| Please post more ridiculous slide shows! | "Terrible! Women get too drunk" |
| Link to news.xinhuanet.com | |
| "Funny photos of people who got stuck" | |
| Link to news.xinhuanet.com | |
| Isn't it risky to do an AMA like this, especially after calling your workplace "Orwellian"? | The "Orwellian" bit only applies to the news that comes through my office, not the websites I use during my personal time. |
| I would've imagined they don't like employees talking about censorship or "insider" information. | Oh they don't, you're right about that. But they're also painfully oblivious to anything that is published or written outside of their sphere. Most of them don't even pay attention to major foreign news outlets, let alone Reddit. |
| You are naive. it is easy to find out who you are | I'm aware of how easy it is to find out who I am. Still not fussed about it. |
| So are you still alive? | Dr. Mantis Toboggan?? I'm VERY alive. |
| I heard you have a monster dong. | |
| You get Its Always Sunny in China? Do you guys have netflix? | No Netflix, but torrents work most of the time. |
| Is there any mention about the pollution there? I mean, is the govt actively doing something, perhaps finding what cause it? | Link to blogs.wsj.com |
| Link to www.bbc.co.uk | |
| Link to www.theguardian.com | |
| Basically the Chinese public have started to focus more on the importance of protecting the environment and have therefore forced the government to pay attention to the issue. | |
| Nothing scares the Chinese government more than social unrest - their greatest priority is ensuring that the general public won't flip out en masse and kick them out of power. Their efforts to reduce pollution are really just token efforts - Chinese industry is massive and produces ridiculous amounts of pollutants. But at this point they have to do something. | |
| Is "Silent Spring" available in a Chinese edition? | I don't know, but it should be. The Chinese need their own "Silent Spring". |
| Edit: since you mentioned a Chinese version of a controversial book, I'd like to note that I've purchased an English-language copy of "1984" right here in Beijing, from some dude on the street with a cart full of books. A Chinese friend of mine has the same book - in Chinese. Wacky, no? Like how/where did that ever get printed? | |
| How 'free' is Sina Weio? Is anything ever censored on it? | Sina Weibo is technically a private company, but they are still subject to Chinese law. To that end, they engage in a fair amount of self-censoring. I believe they've gone on record as saying that they employ a number of people who comb through posts for anything sensitive. |
| That being said, the vast majority of muckraking done by the Chinese public over the last year or so has been done via Sina Weibo. | |
| Why so much fear of social unrest? It's not like a populist revolution is brewing. | No seriously. There are so many folks here that if some kind of social movement caught on and a lot of people started protesting, the government would be literally overrun. There was an environmental protest in south China last year (I think?) where local residents actually swarmed a government office building. |
| I thought more people would use QQ or 人人 more then Sina Weibo? | More people almost certainly use QQ, although I'm actually not sure about the precise figures. I just know Weibo has blown up the last couple years. |
| When I lived in China people used "中国人太多了！" as an excuse for everything! | Precisely. |
| Is there any sense that China is overpopulated? | Every time I get on the subway. |
| What is the largest story that you've had to 'ignore' due to government pressure or interests? | I haven't had to "ignore" a story, per se, since I'm not actually a reporter on the front lines. Most of our stories are handed to us anyway via press releases or statements from government spokesmen. |
| I do recall one particularly troubling day. July 24, 2011 was a Sunday. I was working the weekend shift - it's usually a slow shift, with only one foreign editor on duty (me). | |
| On the night of July 23rd, two high-speed trains collided on a railway in Wenzhou, a city in east China's Zhejiang Province. A few dozen people were killed and a couple hundred were injured. | |
| There were so many stories about the train crash the next day, and I had to edit all of them. The stories I edited seemed to clash with accounts written by foreign media - it wasn't long before the Chinese government was caught red-handed trying to downplay the incident. | |
| Domestic media were instructed not to send reporters to the scene of the crash, and stories about it were intentionally suppressed or relegated to the back pages of newspapers. But between eyewitness accounts and reports from foreign media, many Chinese quickly came to realize that the government was trying to keep the whole thing under wraps. | |
| The backlash was almost immediate. The crash came at a time when Sina Weibo, the Chinese equivalent of Twitter, was first becoming popular. People were posting photos from the crash, citing their own theories for what happened...I suppose it was not unlike what happened after 9/11 or the Boston Marathon bombings. | |
| In the end, former Railway Minster Liu Zhijun took the fall for the crash. He'd been previously accused of corruption anyway, and this incident was the last straw. Other high-level officials were sacrificed as well. | |
| I didn't have to ignore that story, but it stayed with me for a long time. I was dating a Chinese woman at the time, and she was in tears when I came home after work. She couldn't believe that her own government would try to hide the facts behind something so horrific, although I know she knows it's not the first time China's government has done so. I told her that governments do that all the time. Didn't really make much of a difference though. | |
| Your role there does sound positively Orwellian. Do you really notice specific correlations between your situation and that of 1984? | Heh. I went into journalism because I realized I could write my way out of a wet paper bag but I didn't want to become a novelist and starve and/or become an English professor. |
| I don't mean to put you down, but doesn't this job bring up any internal ethical conflicts for you? Is this really what you went into journalism to do? | I do have conflicts about what I do. I have conflicts about what I do at work, what I do in my personal life. I contradict my own beliefs and attitudes all the time. I'm a huge hypocrite. Constantly. But I pay my rent and pay my taxes and have enough left over to get me through the day. Ask any journalist who works for a major news organization and see what they have to say about ethical conflicts. |
| China's surveillance, censorship, human rights, food quality, pollution and other issues make it seem like a dark and orwellian place to live. But what is it really like there? | It's actually pretty chill here for the most part. Food safety issues have become more visible in recent years, but some say that's actually because food inspectors are getting more strict, which is obviously a good thing. The air quality does suck ass, but unless you're living here for years and years or have some kind of medical condition, it's not actually that dangerous. |
| Do people speak freely amongst themselves about the government, if not publicly? | Surveillance...ya know, there's a camera on every corner. And no one is watching it. I say and do shit that would probably get me in trouble all the time, but no one ever comes knocking. So to answer your third question, people bitch about the government all the time - publicly, no less. Chinese social media is full of people complaining about the government. |
| I don't think your ethical conflict is similar to those faced by actual journalists. | That's true - they have greater flexibility in terms of being able to "take the high road" or not. I can keep working for the Chinese government...or quit. |
| That's a very strange and unexpected story. | Things really aren't as bleak or grim over here as you'd be led to believe. Naturally I can only speak for my own experience as a foreigner living in the capital - there is certainly some dark shit that goes down elsewhere in the country - but my own experience has been largely decent. |
| On the other hand, many young Chinese I speak to seem eager to leave the country. Some have the aforementioned food and pollution concerns, others want to do business and develop themselves in an environment that rewards their creativity and integrity. | |
| Chinese office culture - one could say Chinese culture in general - is very much about forming relationships with people more powerful than yourself and leveraging those relationships. Lots of ass-kissing and gift-giving. I've met several Chinese who don't care to do things this way. | |
| What is your responsibility in terms of censoring? | My company, like most state-owned media, does not engage in a lot of investigative journalism. In fact, most of the information our reporters use to write their stories is spoon-fed in the form of press releases, statements from government spokesmen and public notices issued by various government departments. Naturally, any kind of controversial or damaging content is omitted from that information before our reporters even receive it. |
| Chinese state media do not use what I would call "active" censorship, where they're actually removing information or otherwise deliberately altering content. It's more passive - the information just isn't provided in the first place. There have been many times when I've tried to clarify a story, only to be told by the writer and/or translator: "we don't have that information." | |
| So would you regard it as a bit like the scene in "Good Morning Vietnam" where the news comes over a telex and then the military censors cross out what can and can't be mentioned on the radio? | Hahaha I wish I worked with Robin Williams. I don't know if it's really like that, but it's conceivable. It's more like there's just a lack of transparency and accountability - for instance, government officials are not required to provide their names to journalists. |
| Did the Chinese govt censor anything on Edward Snowden? | Who? |
| No, of course I know who he is. But if you ask the Chinese government, that's the answer you'll get. The Chinese media doesn't actively censor - it just ignores everything the government doesn't like. Edward Snowden doesn't exist, as far as Xinhua is concerned. | |
| Link to news.xinhuanet.com | |
| Link to www.cbsnews.com | |
| Link to www.huffingtonpost.com | |
| Link to shanghaiist.com | |
| Link to www.channelnewsasia.com | |
| Wait, seriously? I've been in China for the past few weeks on vacation, and everybody here seems to love Snowden, if they know who he is. | Yep - it was my own bias, I never read anything about Snowden because I work in the domestic department. See my reply below. |
| I'm confused, I'm looking at Link to www.xinhuanet.com right now and snowden is mentioned in one of the articles. | Yeah I fucked that up - working in domestic news will do that to you. Check my reply below. |
| What are your responsibilities at Xinhua? Are you a foreigner working as an editor for their English material or a Mainland Chinese editor? | I'm a foreigner working in the English department, yes. I edit domestic news exclusively, but we publish both domestic and international news in multiple languages. |
| Thanks. So how did you end up working at Xinhua? Why did you want to work there? Journalism background or just looking for work that builds on your English expertise? | Well, I came to China as an economic refugee from the United States, basically. I graduated with a journalism degree at a time when the journalism industry was (still is? I'm pretty sure?) looking pretty grim in the U.S. and elsewhere. A couple friends recommended that I do an internship at a Chinese English-language newspaper and I worked my way up from there. |
| I don't even really refer to myself as a journalist anymore, not when I'm working for Xinhua. It's a weird and kind of depressing place to work sometimes, but it's also fairly laid-back and pays decently for the amount of work I'm required to do. I don't love it but it pays the bills and doesn't make me want to kill myself. Maybe I'm setting my sights too low, but I feel like that's pretty okay for a hack like me. | |
| Interesting. Do you work closely with any of the Mainland reporters or is it mostly foreigners in your department? | I work with a few foreign copy editors and dozens of Chinese reporters/translators/editors. |
| Anyone else have a palpable taste of WTF after reading that?... someone left American journalism to work in Chinese journalism. America is unfortunately extremely unsafe for true journalism, just ask Michael Hastings... wait, nvm. | To be clear, I didn't decide to work in Chinese journalism because I disliked the U.S. journalism industry (although I do). It was more that there just weren't any jobs at that time. The industry is still in rough shape and I'm not even sure if I'll continue to do journalism when I move back home. |
| I find it sounds quite cool what you're doing, given the opportunity I'd do it, but I still get paid too well to become an economic refugee ;-). 你的中文好吗？ | 我中文说的就是一般般. |
| Have you joined the communist party yet? | Can't and wouldn't want to. Well, maybe. Some of those folks do reaaal well for themselves. |
| Do you feel like you have more freedoms than the average Chinese citizen? Did you have any connections to China or any asian countries before the move? Are you a visible minority over there, if so do you experience xenophobia/racism? | No connections to China or any other Asian countries beforehand, although I always thought Japan was awesome because video games and porn. In some ways I guess I am more free than the average Chinese citizen - for one thing, I make a better salary than most Chinese who have the same experience/educational background as me, and I probably work less hours than a lot of them. But this comes at an expense - there is no way I will ever be promoted or gain any kind of seniority at my company. Only Chinese can do that at state-owned companies. In Beijing, I'm certainly a visible minority, but not that visible. There are tons of foreigners in this city - the only racism I've experienced has been from Chinese who've migrated here from elsewhere or from other foreigners. |
| If you made the same salary in America as you do in China would you have moved/consider going back? | If I made the same salary in the States, it'd really depend where I was living. I don't think I make enough now to live in LA or Chicago or somewhere like that. |
| 你是牛屄！ | COW VAGINA YO. |
| Seriously how did they even decide that that means "badass." The fuck, China. The fuck. It's an Oriental Mystery. | |
| 你有没有觉得一些人有一点儿二在你的单位？ As a kid born in Canada I never understood why they referred to weird/eccentric people as "two" lol. | Hahahaha I have an 二锅头 shirt that is a play on the "Absolut" ads, it says "约对二" in Chinese (obviously) and "Absolut 2" in English. The Chinese think it's hysterical. |
| Do people discuss politics in the office ? | All the time. One of my Chinese bosses loves to ask me about American rights and laws. My favorite quote? |
| "If I were an American politician, I would make it mandatory to own a gun." | |
| I'd like to hear a little more about this. What kind of stuff does your boss ask/want to know? Are they surprised by what you tell them. What do they think about rights/laws in America? | Most of the Chinese I discuss politics with are either in their early 20s early to mid 30s. They're all fairly well-educated and are familiar with western history and media. They're rarely, if ever, surprised with what I tell them about the States - although it depends on the question, I suppose. They just like comparing and contrasting U.S./China policy. They mirror each other in strange ways sometimes. |
| I think a lot of Chinese do envy some of the laws and rights we have in the States, but at the same time, they are intensely defensive of China's policies, as backward as some of them may seem to us. | |
| Why did you decide to move to China? Pros and Cons vs living in the US? | Pros: living costs are low, the language/culture are interesting, dating can be fun and the food is delicious. |
| Cons: salaries are low, the language/culture are hard to understand and deal with, dating is hellish and the food can kill you. | |
| Elaborate on the dating? I was always under the impression Chinese girls were very conservative and didnt like to mix much with westerners. | Depends on which ones you meet. Many Chinese women are curious about foreigners, but these are often the ones you don't want to date because their understanding of foreign culture is almost entirely informed by American Idol, Big Bang Theory, Friends and other shitty TV shows. Finding a Chinese woman who is liberal, opinionated, smart and all that other good stuff is hard to do. Although it's admittedly easier in the bigger Chinese cities. |
| Is Chinese celebrity news as highly reported as in America? | Depends on what you mean by highly reported. China doesn't have trashy tabloid-esque "news" shows like there are in the States (as far as I know), but they do like to dig up dirt on celebrities. My employers don't run stories like that, but the Chinese do like to gossip about celebs on Sina Weibo (the Chinese equivalent of Twitter) and other social media sites. |
| One interesting difference is that some U.S. celebrities embrace the fame they gain from unflattering reports/revelations - Kim Kardashian became famous for fucking some shitty DJ - while Chinese celebrities try to avoid those kind of exposures. Chinese society is considerably more conservative than that of the U.S., so any kind of sex/gambling/etc. scandal is much more damaging for a Chinese celeb. | |
| Edison Chen ftw. | Aw man. Chen's my boy. Seriously I need to make some famous Chinese friends. |
| China doesn't have trashy tabloid-esque "news" shows like there are in the States. In exchange you guys have a bazillion talent competition and matchmaking shows. Yeesh. | Hahaha true. God those are ridiculous and cheesy. |
| So what REALLY happened at Tienanmen Square? | Well, I probably shouldn't talk about this. But if you really want to know... |
| First, a bunch of students showed up. Like a huge bunch. And they were calling for democracy and human rights and all this crazy stuff. And then the military showed up with tanks and guns and shit and then the protesters' lives got flipped-turned upside down and I'd like to take a minute just sit right there I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air. | |
| That's what really happened. | |
| On the one hand, DPRK is entirely reliant on PRC for its continued existence, so I can imagine it would be some kind of glorious brothers in struggle sort of thing, but I get the impression Beijing is getting kinda tired of Pyongyang's shit. | Beijing is so tired of Pyongyang's shit, but it's in a tough spot. Things have been quiet in recent months, but when the DPRK nuclear launch stuff was going down, Beijing was just like...fffuuu wat do. |
| As an editor, how do you feel when people discredit your news agency? Do you feel like they are justified and do you compare yourself to a BBC or another news company? | People who discredit Xinhua are somewhat in the right - but our lack of journalistic integrity isn't actually our fault, if you can believe that. We just don't do investigative reporting - we're essentially another arm of the government. We're more akin to the White House PR department than the BBC or Reuters. So I can't really take their criticism too harshly. |
| Are you a foreigner? How many times a day do you hear "laowai"? | I mostly just hear HALLOOO. |
| How would you define China's relationship with the United States? | Mutually beneficial win-win cooperation that features interdependent co-supportive friendly relations. |
| Just kidding. We're pretty different but we have to get our shit together - together - otherwise both sides will just be fucked. | |
| Would it be possible for an average chinese citizen to access this AMA? | Meant to reply to this earlier. ggandthecrew is absolutely right - fear of anti-communist ideas is only half the picture. Most of China's web censorship is done to boost domestic consumption - block Twitter, so Chinese have to use Sina Weibo. Block YouTube so Chinese have to use Youku. Block Facebook so they have to use Renren. It's just as much an economic tool as a social one. |
| Is part of the reason they block those large sites so that Chinese companies can fill the void and reap the profits? I mean, even a half a billion new Facebook accounts would really generate a lot of money. | Exactly. It's partly driven by the need to expand domestic consumption. |
| I'm trying to imagine a Chinese version of Reddit. Is there anything that comes close? | Sort of, actually. There are message boards (Tianya and Mop) that are basically news portals that Chinese can comment on. If you check out www.chinasmack.com, you can find a lot of stories that are lifted from these message boards, along with translated versions of netizens' comments. It's actually a really interesting and informative window into Chinese beliefs and attitudes. |
| Do they also block foreign sites like Facebook, Twitter, Gmail etc. in order to prevent NSA spying or is that just a new excuse that they've come up with post-Snowden? | All the sites you mentioned were blocked or messed with well before Snowden's revelation. The blocking is done to keep "harmful information" hidden, but also to boost use of domestic sites that provide similar services. |
| Are you familiar with Bitcoin? If so, do you know what the government's stance on it is? I remember there was a pretty positive article about them by Xinhua not too long ago. Thanks! | You know what, I haven't actually seen any stories about Bitcoin come through Xinhua. I'm not all that familiar with it myself. But if the article you mention was indeed positive, that's as good as a stamp of approval from the government itself, more or less. |
| I believe decentralization is key to keeping markets honest, including journalism. Do you support a government-owned news agency and how do you feel about private agencies? And are private agencies allowed to go by different rules or are they heavily regulated by the Chinese government? | Chinese media was, for a long time, almost exclusively state-owned. However, this has changed in recent years, as the government is seeking to wean state-owned companies off of the government's tit and expand private industry in order to stimulate consumption. Private media is still heavily regulated and relatively scarce in terms of size and influence, but it will likely grow in the years to come. |
| I don't support government-owned news because it flies in the face of what I believe "news" should be. But then, U.S. media has very much been in the lap of the government for years. | |
| Also a current journalism undergrad considering living abroad after I graduate in May. I'm not necessarily looking for journalism work, either, though, as the job market is still crap unless you're creme-de-la-creme and have tons of legit experience under your belt. I am curious, though, what motivated you to move to Asia? Were you serious about wanting to find work in journalism abroad, or did you just want to leave America in general, and this job made the most sense once you got there? | I honestly didn't care what kind of work I found - at that point, I was just grasping at straws. I had journalist friends who had much more extensive and impressive resumes than I did - and these people were working the counter at American Eagle, shit like that. No jobs to be found for anyone, qualified or not. So no. I wasn't necessarily interested in working in Asia, or working as a reporter in Asia, or even working as a reporter. I just needed a fucking job. Everything else unfolded after I arrived. |
| You said that you moved from abroad for the work...did you have any connection to China at all, beforehand? | Little to no connection to China beforehand. A couple of my good friends had done internships at the same newspaper I ended up interning at, they kind of goaded me into it and I ended up living here along with them. |
| Also, are there more foreigners like you in your department? | There are other foreigners in my department, yes. Foreigners like me? Son, they don't make foreigners like me anymore. |
| Do you think the Wang Qishan and the Xi Jinping regime are actually making inroads against corruption, or are they mining stories to satisfy a witch-hunting lust for public show? | They're making a token effort. I won't pretend to be an expert on the inner workings of the Standing Committee, but from what I know, corruption is what greases the gears of the CPC. Too many government-corporate relationships would dissolve if they truly wanted to get rid of corruption. The economy would be a shambles. Not unlike that of the U.S., really. Too big to fail? China is too big to fail in so many ways. |
| How overt is the censorship? Does it ever get brought up in meetings, or is it all kinda hush-hush? I live in Shanghai, and I've had to deal with censorship in one way or another, and it seems like there is no official criteria. Since you actually work for the government, do you have an official list of topics the government thinks is not promoting harmonious society? | Hahaha. Yeah, it's not overt at all. It happens before it even hits my desk - no official criteria or anything. Although I've had several occasions where an editor will come over and say "hey. This article is sensitive. Don't change anything other than the spelling and grammar." |
| How is it like living in China? I have a friend who goes to university there, and he uses Facebook, so either it isn't blocked there (or he got through the filter, I dunno). What sites are blocked there, actually? | What Craigox27 said - proxy/VPN services are cheap and easy to purchase. Most young Chinese have them as well. Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, NY Times and Blogspot are blocked, among many, many others. |
| Then one wonders what's the point of blocking sites if they can be bypassed so easily. | A lot of the things the Chinese government does make little to no sense. And as Dr. Ian Malcolm once said, "life finds a way." AKA Male Chinese adolescents find a way (to look at porn). |
| You can't say most young Chinese have proxy and VPN. Maybe amongst educated white collar in the media industry, but not in the general population. | True, young rural Chinese likely aren't aware of or do not have such software, as most of them don't have computers either. But young Chinese who have computer access are generally aware of them, I would argue. |
| What news website would you recommend for non-Chinese speakers to read about daily news in China (like Chinasmack)? | You picked my favorite already. I would also recommend BeijingCream, the Shanghaiist and Ministry of Tofu. |
| Late to the party- what's your opinion of the Epoch Times? Of course it can't be gotten in China, but it's quite available in N. America and Europe- any thoughts? | To be honest, I'm not that familiar with them, although I realize I really ought to be. I should read up! |
| What do you believe is the responsibility of the news media in Chinese society? Are you able to talk about how China is different from other countries' media in that respect? | Edit: sorry, I feel like I didn't fully answer your question. News media in China largely has no responsibility other than to its sponsor - the government. But there is so much new media content in the form of microblogs and videos that is really heartening. Citizen journalism is blowing up in China and it's awesome. |
| Is it true that you guys have a plan to take over the whole world? | It's the same thing I do every night, Pinky. |
| What is your future prospect in the agency as a foreigner? do you want to transfer to a different department? I see that you typed some Chinese characters, so how good is your Chinese now? | Future prospects? Few exist for foreigners at state-owned companies. I've heard of foreigners with excellent Chinese and networking skills getting promotions, but those are few and far between and I have neither the patience nor skill to go that route. I am transferring to a different department where I will get to learn some new things, but I'm probably headed back to the States in a couple years. There is little to no room for upward movement here, career-wise. |
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2012.11.26 10:08 saintmek MP10 Azmodan kill in 11 seconds
http://d.163.com/12/1126/15/8H8G21Q300314PCN.html
The video is hosted at youku.com (Similar to Youtube but it's for Chinese in mainland, because GFW blocked them from youtube and many google services), so if you can't view this video, please find yourself a proxy server or something.
Because GFW is getting thicker now, I cant upload this to youtube with GoAgent unless I find a stable VPN to do so. If someone could do that for me, you have my appreciate then!
This guy from Chinese fansite Cain's Corner(diablo3.cc), his name is james_diablo3.
Ths story is here: when diablofans site start post DPS challenge on MP10 azmodan on their front page, this guy done MP10 kill in 23 seconds, and later on the record is break by cdxliv with 17.5 seconds.
Yesterday, cdxliv broke the record twice with 14.4 seconds and 13.6 seconds. If you watch his stream channel (http://www.twitch.tv/cdxliv) or Reddit you should already knew this. :P
As far as I know cdxliv is a Chinese who study and stay in United State, so this guy James_diablo3 is so proud at him (because they are all Chinese), and made this new video with 11 seconds MP10 kill.
Congrats to these guys, although they made me feel like we are playing a different game. lol
ps. my dfans account can't make new post yet, so would any one pass this to their?
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The video is hosted at youku.com (Similar to Youtube but it's for Chinese in mainland, because GFW blocked them from youtube and many google services), so if you can't view this video, please find yourself a proxy server or something.
Because GFW is getting thicker now, I cant upload this to youtube with GoAgent unless I find a stable VPN to do so. If someone could do that for me, you have my appreciate then!
This guy from Chinese fansite Cain's Corner(diablo3.cc), his name is james_diablo3.
Ths story is here: when diablofans site start post DPS challenge on MP10 azmodan on their front page, this guy done MP10 kill in 23 seconds, and later on the record is break by cdxliv with 17.5 seconds.
Yesterday, cdxliv broke the record twice with 14.4 seconds and 13.6 seconds. If you watch his stream channel (http://www.twitch.tv/cdxliv) or Reddit you should already knew this. :P
As far as I know cdxliv is a Chinese who study and stay in United State, so this guy James_diablo3 is so proud at him (because they are all Chinese), and made this new video with 11 seconds MP10 kill.
Congrats to these guys, although they made me feel like we are playing a different game. lol
ps. my dfans account can't make new post yet, so would any one pass this to their?
2012.10.18 19:01 TheJoo52 Any good resources for Great Firewall accessible video?
I'm very interested in watching the same sort of English language content that can be found on Youtube, but for which I do not need a proxy or VPN. I've looked on Youku a bit, but it doesn't seem to have a very good selection of the sort of thing I'm looking for (documentaries, etc.).
I was wondering if there's some goldmine of English language video content that I've overlooked - something like a special channel on Youku or something akin to Megavideo when that was still around. I'm not interested in paying for a VPN, so please resist the suggestion. Thanks.
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I was wondering if there's some goldmine of English language video content that I've overlooked - something like a special channel on Youku or something akin to Megavideo when that was still around. I'm not interested in paying for a VPN, so please resist the suggestion. Thanks.
2012.09.18 11:29 tabledresser [Table] I am an American that lives in China. I used to think China was some horrible place up until I actually came here. I have now lived here for 3 years. AMA!
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| Questions | Answers |
|---|---|
| What brought you to China? | I updated this post to answer this common question to any newcomers. See it. |
| Do you speak Chinese now? | I speak moderate Chinese. I wouldn't say fluent, but fair enough to get by alright. |
| Do you see yourself living there [at brought you to China]for a long time? | Not sure about living here for a very long time. I would love to, but I don't think it will be an option forever. As my father's company has less need for him (he's only here to START the plant, not run it) and I need to go to college - we will need to leave. |
| What do you like about China? | I love the people. They love westerners usually. Things are way more open for a person. The law isn't strict at all. Oh, and you can drink at pretty much any age and nobody will do much about it. Been going to clubs since age 16 :P (hope that doesn't sound douchey). |
| What's the most interesting thing you have done/seen so far? | There's a lot of interesting things. I wouldn't be able to say just one. The enormousity of the cities alone is amazing. You stop complaining about traffic and business in America when you get used to things here. |
| What is the scariest thing that has happened? | Scariest thing? Hmm...nearly ending up in e-bike crash probably. |
| What is the funniest thing? | Funniest? Plenty of drunken adventures with classmates :P. |
| What's the best food you have eaten? | I still eat mostly foreign food. I'm not much of a Chinese dish guy, though I like rice. |
| Thanks for the responses! I'm curious about the almost e-bike crash. What's the story with that? | Not much of a story. That kind of thing happens all the time around here. Tons of bikes and cars. Just got too close to a bus that wasn't paying attention when it turned. |
| Yipe! So you own an electric bike? Does it charge the battery(ies) when you pedal? And do you know if your bike has regenerative braking? | Mine is really simple. It's a scooter type, not the smaller pedal types. It's just got two batteries that you charge at the plug. Nothing else. |
| I've seen the smaller ones with pedals though. Dunno anything about the braking. | |
| I know it's a big country, but how much of the anti-japan protesting have you seen or heard? (Aside from online sources) | Just a few comments from my girlfriend about it. She's very pro-China. |
| Me and her have a few political disagreements. I tend to just try to stay quiet about my views on Tibet, Hong Kong, and Thailand from her. Chinese seem very territorial. | |
| My wife is Chinese (and patriotic too), while I can agree that Tibet and Japan are not good topics for calm discussion, I'd say Taiwan and Hong Kong are less sensitive subjects where you (and perhaps her) actually may learn something from talking about it. | Different girls have been different ways about it all. My current girlfriend is heavily patriotic and will start yelling in arguments about those subjects. Ex girlfriends hardly ever cared though. |
| At this point we've come to a point where she's actually more against the way they behave like they're superior, than she is against the concept of them being separate entities of the Chinese culture. But as always, approach with caution bro. | Though, many people have already told me that my current gf needs to go. She's insecure / paranoid (she's constantly suspicious of cheating) and has trains of thought that make no sense. |
| I tend to just try to stay quiet about my views on Tibet, Hong Kong, and *Thailand* Surely you mean Taiwan? I'm not aware of any bad blood between China and Thailand. | Taiwan, yes, my bad. I always do that. You know, because "Tai" and "Thai" are pronounced the same. |
| I tend to just try to stay quiet about my views on Tibet, Hong Kong, and Thailand from her. Do you also support a free Hawaii? | I don't see what you're getting at though. I don't see any relationship between Hawaii and China. Or at least I never noticed it when I was there. |
| You mentioned that you support a free Tibet. Hawaii is the Tibet of the United States. So I was basically asking if your support for the freedom of occupied lands was consistent across the board. | I don't know anything about Hawaii to be honest, besides "The most active volcano in the world" and "Kuai is pretty and has wild chickens". I don't know anything about it's political and social statuses, so I can't say I have any opinion about it. |
| What are the most common misconceptions about daily life in China? Censorship? Poverty? Pollution? Civil rights? Education? Etc. | Censorship - Kinda, not too bad though. Poverty - No, unless you mean the bad regions. Pollution - In the big cities. Civil Rights - This is never an issue unless someone tries doing something too extreme. They really don't care about what you discuss at the dinner table. They just wouldn't like it if you went around making a big public thing about hating China. Education - Basically good. |
| I love how you just made the lack of freedom of speech seem like not a big deal lol "Eh, say what ever you want at home... but if you do it in public you might vanish and never be heard from again. Not a big deal!" lol. | Well they just don't want you doing strikes or making huge public messes about it. I personally would never do it even if I was Chinese, the country is well taken care of in my eyes. |
| Poverty - No, unless you mean the bad regions. | Well I mean, it's not abundunt in my city. You'll find it easily if you go looking for it though, of course. |
| Wow, so no one is really poor except for in the poor areas? Sounds amazing. | Suzhou is a pretty rich city though. Look it up - it's well developed. I can't really speak for other regions in China because Suzhou is like the freaking Singapore of China. |
| Wow, China must have "smart" pollution that only hovers over the "big" cities. Impressive country, that. | Don't be dicks, guys. If you start saying things like this I'll just see this as getting spammed by "people who hate China just because they want to hate China". |
| Have you been to Singapore? Cause if you had, you'd never make a comment like that. | Yes, I have. |
| I'll take pictures of Suzhou tonight and try to find some of my old ones. This city looks amazing. The architecture is great, the lights are amazing. | |
| Look up things about Suzhou btw. There's quite a few interesting facts / places here that are cool. | |
| I don't need to "Look up things about Suzhou", because I've been there. Souzhou isn't, under any stretch of the imagination, anything like Singapore. | You've been here recently? Seen SIP? I love it. |
| Btw, it's not Souzhou O_o that was a mistake, right? Just making sure we're both talking about the same city. | |
| What do you think is the biggest misconception about China and what was your biggest misconception about China? | That they're all brainwashed zombies, pretty much. |
| They're not. Stop thinking that. | |
| Mine? That it'd be some terribly polluted poor country with nothing to do and they'd hate America and all be brainwashed. All of those are wrong except the very first one, which only applies to big cities like Shanghai. | |
| I live in China too, and it is a terribly polluted poor country. | Which city? Suzhou is nice, not anymore polluted than any U.S. city is. |
| Visited Suzhou about a month ago. Hot as FUCK. | Hot summers, cold winters. Humid as hell in the summer, yes. |
| How old are you? How long will you stay? Are you there with family? Do you study in HS or college? Is it a chinese high school or college or international one? How are white guys perceived there? Do people stare and point at you? How are sexually conservative or loose are women? Do you encounter racism? How many chinese girls have you banged? Were they actually hot? How much english do people speak? | 19 - Maybe 1 or 2 more years. - International HS up until now. Now I need to be getting into college plans. - We're usually liked. People are interested in foreigners. - Sometimes, but it's mostly by small children that know no better. - Most are sexually conservative - closed. You can find the "crazy" girls if you go looking though, there's plenty in the right places :P - No racism towards me (except by a group of Russians here. Every Russian I've ever met has been a dick to me actually. But by what I can tell, they kinda do that to everybody). - About 4 - One was really hot. I've got a new girl in my sights that's ultra hot, like model hot, though (hope that doesn't sound too douchey). - Quite a good amount, actually. Especially in the big cities. You'd be surprised. |
| What does "about 4" mean? | Drunken things happen, and some I don't really know to count if real sex or not. |
| Did you know any Mandarin previously? | None. Zero, zip, nada, nothing. I never even studied a second language before. |
| I came to China knowing nothing about learning a second language. It's been a rough road in language classes, but I'm finally coming along fairly well now. It's just the written language I can't do at all. I can only write in pinyin. Speaking isn't hard at all though. | |
| I prefer pinyin. Do they use mostly traditional or simplified where you are? | Simplified. Though they can understand traditional usually. |
| Easy question: What is your favorite Chinese food to eat? What about least favorite? | Rice and Dumplings. Oh, and they have some good teas too. |
| Least favorite : Anything from the weirder parts of China, like Guangdong food. | |
| But 4Chan teaches that OP must ALWAYS love Dong. | Well I don't visit 4chan. So no. |
| Cantonese food is a major part of Chinese cuisine...have you only been trying really strange and exotic foods there? Can't imagine dim sum or wonton noodle soup as weird food. | I haven't really tried many different Chinese foods actually. I'm not much of an Asian food eater. My girlfriends have hated this about me, of course. I do my best to change though. I'm just one of those people who seem intolerant to foods they didn't grow up with though. |
| Is the internet really monitored and censored? | Monitored - I don't know. They most likely keep records, but nobody is actively watching them in real time. |
| Censored - Yes. Any website they have a good Chinese copy of or goes against the government is censored out. | |
| No Facebook, no twitter, no youtube unless you use a proxy or vpn. | Yup. I don't use Twitter anyway. |
| Oh, and Tumblr too. | |
| I hope you use /china - they seem to have a pretty good waiguoren in China vibe going. | I'll take your comment in part as an answer to my question asked to d9-thc. |
| Obvious question: why did you decide to go to China? International school/college? Or impressively managed to get a job as a foreigner? | My father is an Engineer that works for Dow-Corning. I started living with my dad after leaving my mother for several reasons, and he took me along with him when he came to China a year after that happened. |
| Yeah, I don't live in China, so I was initially expecting more general china discussion there, but it appears almost everyone there is an expat. Fairly interesting way to see how they view events in China compared to official news sources or Weibo. | Plans? School and having fun, basically. |
| So what kinds of plans do you have? I kinda expected you were living with a parent since you said you were 19, but you also said your family hates China so : | My dad is fine with it. It's more like everyone else in my family is like that. My dad's also the only one in my family that's very smart as well, so it should add up fairly well. |
| How is the bureaucracy? | We hate it. America wants to know everything about everything when your traveling - mostly because they want to make sure they're still getting money out of you. As for the Chinese side of it, there are some ridiculous passport work. Sometimes we have to go to Hong Kong for reasons we don't understand. |
| Give us info on the girls man. How many? | I've had 4 girlfriends here. Might be finishing off with the current one though. |
| Do you think if you didn't attend an international school, people would treat you the differently? Perhaps ostracize you? I feel as though more people would be 'tolerant' of your being an American at an international school than at an average Chinese school. | Chinese idolize foreigners. If I went to a Chinese school they'd love it. |
| Unfortunately, foreigners cannot go to normal schools here. Foreigners MUST go to international schools. | |
| Proof? | Hmm...proving a location is fairly difficult. If I posed in a picture holding up my username on a piece of paper with Jinji lake (my city's lake) in the background, would that work? |
| Wait, it's 1:32 in the morning here right now. I doubt that would even work. | |
| A little help with ideas? If all else fails I guess I could just give my Facebook link, but I tend to try to be private about that. | |
| The picture would work perfectly! | Let me take it in the morning then. Not gonna get a good shot right this moment (you'd just get a black picture). I'll try getting up early for a change to get the picture. |
| If you're a moderator and just need verification, I can just send you a link to my Facebook via PM and hope that works for now. | |
| China sucks, dirty damn dog eaters. Just one step above the negroes. | Obvious troll is obvious. |
| Unless you're serious, then it's just fucking depressing. | |
| Either way, you're not worth my time in talking to. | |
| How can you stand living in a country where sarcasm doesn't exist? | They usually understand sarcasm if they understand much of any English. |
| Not necessarily. I've had to explain sarcasm to people. It depends where they're from. | Hmm...yeah, Chinese vary a lot depending on region, more so than any other country I've been to. I live in the South between Shanghai and Hong Kong. People seem to understand sarcasm fairly well here. |
| Even when I talk to Chinese people in their own language, they don't seem to understand when I'm serious or not. I guess it's some sort of cultural difference. | They only get it if they understand English. I think there is a way to express sarcasm in Chinese, but it's not well known to me. It's probably different from the English way - which is often stressing words. You can't do that in Chinese or the meaning changes. Tones are the most difficult part to master, and the most annoying. |
| Are there any easy to do embarassing mixups based on tone? | The number 4 and death are very close in tone. Some buildings don't have a floor 4 or floor 14, or both. Especially hospitals. No visiting relative would be very happy to hear that the patient they're looking for is on the "death floor". |
| That's just one of the most well known ones though. There are actually a lot of puns based on tones. | |
| How do they not have a 4th floor? You can't just skip 4. Even if they call it 5, it'll still be 4. | Take a look at western society in which the 13th floor is simply omitted in elevators. It's the same deal. |
| Like that, there's still a fourth floor, but they just skip it and call it the 5th anyway. | |
| In most cases it's the 14th floor that's taken out though, not the 4th. | |
| Any news on the protests against the Japanese at the moment? | I honestly don't know anything about it besides what's on international news. Nothing is going on here. |
| I have some good friends who spent 3 years in China who reported continued issues with internet access due to what they believed was censorship. Have you had that experience? | Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter are outright blocked, many others as well. China has their own copy of pretty much every western website, so they feel no need to keep our's around to compete with their's. |
| China doesn't want anyone to compete with their companies on their own turf, so if a good copy of a popular website exists, you can bet the original has been blocked. | |
| Is it hard to keep in touch with people from back home? | Facebook and e-mail, pretty much. |
| Though there's not much of anyone I wanna see back home. Communication isn't an issue when you don't have anyone to communicate with... | |
| What are some of those Chinese alternatives? Whats the Chinese facebook and youtube? | Facebook is probably Weibo and Qzone. |
| For instant messaging, there's QQ (there's also QQi, the international version, for foreigners). | |
| Youtube : Link to youku.co - you'll need to make it appear as if you're connecting from China to see it though. | |
| They have lots of stuff on YouKu that YouTube would remove if they found it on their own site. That means streaming full movies is totally possible there. | |
| I spent most of April in China and it was a crazy experience. I was stampeded everywhere in the Shandong province. There were no whites there and people were constantly taking pictures of me and leaning out of houses to touch me. And the babies had bare bottoms. What is that about?? | Hahaha, I've never been there. However, you do get used to the busy roads and such after a while. There are tons of foreigners where I live and I haven't seen the baby thing. Maybe you were in a bad place xD. |
| Is everything really made in China? J/k, what part of China do you live? | Suzhou, Jiangsu. |
| You mentioned that the censorship "wasn't too bad" and that "They just wouldn't like it if you went around making a big public thing about hating China." Also, you mentioned that Twitter, Youtube, and Facebook are blocked in certain areas. | YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook are blocked all across the country except places like Hong Kong. - I don't feel a ton of anything about it. I just VPN around it. - Chinese don't really care. There are Chinese copies of these websites that they use. |
| Also, I had a Chinese teacher who freak out when a kid mentioned the Tiananmen Square Massacre. She started screaming and said it never happened. | My view is that it was a terrible incident that should have never happened. I don't think the government would handle it the same way today, but I'm not one to judge. |
| How difficult is it to read anything in China? | I'd have to ask one of my friends who can read the written language better. I only know a few, but it's really not hard. Sure, there are many characters that closely resemble other ones - however there's usually only one version that's used popularly. I can identify phrases like "Wo ai ni" (I love you) very quickly, just because I've seen them so much. |
| Really? My teach said that Chinese people don't usually say that to each other? | It appears an awful lot around here. Of course, they don't say it without a reason to. It's not hard to find the phrase written somewhere though. It's a pretty popular thing for people to say globally, ya know. |
| I came here to read about sex stories and women.. | It depends. Many don't because it's not in tradition to do so. However I had one gf that did it herself and another that started after getting with me. |
| Was disappointed.. | Scream though? Not really. Just normal sexy sounds to me, haha ;D. |
| Is it true they dont shave their vaginas like in porn? And do they scream like they do in the porno's? | Though I've never had sex with a fellow westerner, so I probably have no perspective on that to compare with. |
| What are some notable but subtle differences between the western world and China? | Most differences aren't too subtle. Hmm... |
| Lots more people - Construction is done hella fast - They're much more respectful (except in waiting lines). - They're definitely more closed minded sexually. | |
| Hmm...let me try to think of more and come back. | |
| Is it true that asian girls/women are really into white men? Do we really count as "latin lovers" in asia? Is the sex different? Or harder to find? | Pretty much. We're more attractive here. It's the only reason I get anything really. If I was still in America I'd likely still be a virgin. |
| How do you go about meeting girls? Are they automatically attracted to you since your different or they are rebellious? | Some love foreigners. Others think we're dicks because of past experiences with us - we kinda have a bad reputation for ripping them off romantically. They're kinda finally catching on that most foreigners that come to China treat Chinese people like they're shit. I don't do that myself, but a lot of foreigners that come here seem to be racist as fuck about Chinese people - they think Chinese only exist to serve them. Now that the Chinese are catching on to this rude behavior it's starting to hurt our reputation among them. |
| Let me tell you though - Right now they like us. If they ever come to actually hate us, it'll be our own damned fault. We kinda are rude, ya know. | |
| Have you seen any sweatshops? | None. |
| I can't believe they don't sell sweats over there. | Sweats? You mean like sweat pants and so forth? I see them sometimes O.o. |
| How do the Chinese feel about it's export industry and how do they feel when us Americans accuse them of making cheap stuff and using sweatshops? | I've never really discussed this much with them. |
| I will tell you this though - China doesn't like the assholes that do these things either. They get punished badly when they fuck up like that. Walmart has had problems with poisoning Chinese people even more often than anyone else in the world. | |
| It's not planned attacks or something against other countries - it's the few irresponsible their personal selves who cause it. So please don't see it as CHINA's fault as a whole. | |
| So... Why do you think there are so many china haters ? | You really have to come here to understand. As long as you don't, you'll just be with the West, which has taught you to despise China and much of the East - you'll live in thoughts of racism about China. When you come here, you'll understand that the things people say about China are really exaggerated and the people are amazingly kind. |
| What do you do for a living ? | Play games, eat, go out on weekends, drink, relax. |
| Oh, and school on some weekdays. But that's a minor thing :p. | |
| I know next to nothing about chinese media and such. So what are regular TV and movies like over there? As soap opera and reality TV filled as the west? Also music. Do they listen to western music? Whats... China Pop... C-pop like. | They have some Chinese music and television and movies. They're kinda similar to anything we'd have in the states usually - just Chinese versions of the stuff. |
| When I was in Japan, I encountered a group of Chinese tourists. They shoved in front of lines and acted as if it was a fight to get everywhere. I was told by my Japanes tour guide that in China, they don't understand the concept of "waiting in line" very well. How true is this, or did I just encounter some especially rude Chinese? | Waiting in line is problematic here. There's so many people that being polite goes out the window. If you want anything done in China, you have to stand out and push for it. Otherwise, it'll never get done and you'll just be ignored while people who are pushing get served. |
| BUT, what you just explained sounded extreme. They might have been being rude on racial grounds, actually. Chinese just love pushing around the Japanese - because they despise Japan. So, there might have been some racism going on there, not just "they're not used to waiting in line". | |
| If you have been in China for three years, why haven't you yet learned that anything you tell Americunts and other waigourencunts about the Middle Kingdom that contradicts their long-held prejudiced views, that you will be attacked as a commie bastard or an internet shill working for the PLA? | I already know that. I just go against the circlejerk. |
| I've been downvoted to hell many times for making ANY defense of China before. I feel as if China has to be the "enemy" everyone has to put their hatred into - just because SOMEONE has to do it. The Chinese don't hate Americans at all, yet Americans simply despise China because they're "Godless Communist bastards". I really wish the U.S. would get out of it's 1950's propoganda stage already. | |
| Even family has blamed me being Liberal and Atheist on China. They think I'm being possessed by Satan who's making me be a "lefty" and crap. I really just don't want to talk to them anymore, they're not worth my time. I'll let them fight amongst themselves like they always do until they perish - but without me. | |
| How is dimsum there? Is "real" chinese food that different from the one served in America? | Very. Americans get "Westernized Chinese" food. Real Chinese food are things I doubt you'd try if given the opportunity. |
| No, I don't mean cats and dogs or any of that bullshit redneck parents tell their kids because they hate China and love making up crap about them. I mean they eat parts of animals that Americans don't, or cook them differently. One example I saw once is fish skin - another is chicken feet. They also love dipping stuff in a kind of vinegar for some reason. I never liked it myself. | |
| They also have great rice and dumplings though :D and noodles. | |
| What are the schools like, from a perspective that Westerners can understand? | I go to an international school, so rich and great quality of teaching to me of course. |
| If you mean public schools, I'm not the one to ask. Though from the outside they look fine too. | |
| How hard is it to adapt to a different culture? Do you ever feel "left out" as an American? | Not really, we're treated better than the Chinese in most cases. |
| The only things I had to adapt to was how busy it is (because I'm from countryside) and the lower internet speeds (though they're still good) :P oh and needing to use a VPN. | |
| Is pollution terrible? Are allergies very bad in China? | Pollution is bad in places like Shanghai. Here in Suzhou, not so much. Still, Shanghai is about as bad as places like New York etc. |
| Allergies are better here than in the states. | |
| Huh, go figure. I always thought China had the highest pollution levels in the world. | The more densely populated a place is, obviously the worse. Los Angeles is TERRIBLE. Tokyo is bad. Mumbai is bad. Etc etc etc. You shouldn't rank using countries if you ask me - in ANY country, as soon as you leave these select big cities, you get away from most of it's pollution. |
| I think you should compare a country's size to it's emissions. If it's China, a huge landmass, then it's probably distributed. If you're looking at a near-USA level of greenhouse emissions from a small place like Japan, then you're looking at huge population density and lots of pollution all piling up in one place - which is much worse. | |
| Btw, I do believe that the USA is, overall, still the biggest in emissions of greenhouse gases, though I might be wrong. | |
| My friend is moving to China on Saturday- What should I get her? I wanted to do things that they do not have there that she would wish she had brought. Any ideas? | Is she a gamer? If so - she might want some original games. They won't have US region English games here. They'll just have copies. |
| What kind of food do you eat there? I hope you don't eat stuff that's not imported. | Of course I eat stuff that's not imported! You have to try the food, tons of it is really good. |
| Stop thinking any food from China is going to kill you. That's ridiculous. And no, they don't eat cats and dogs for crying out loud. Such only ever happens at all in a certain city that nobody really likes. | |
| Lies, everybody knows the Chinese eat cats and dogs. | No, they don't. That's a tale that redneck parents tell their kids because they're prejudiced. |
| What made you move to China and how long do you plan on living there? | See the edit I made into the OP. Probably a year or two more. Not sure though, I'd like to stay longer. |
| Do you ever use any ways to get around censored websites? | VPN. |
| It's easy to love living in china being white. | True this. I guess it's just more enjoyable to me since I pretty much on the top. |
| Because he is taller. I remember walking through the streets feeling like a giant. And I am not that tall. I made a lot of menacing faces and pretended I was deciding who to eat. | I'm shorter than most Chinese actually. |
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