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2024.05.14 12:40 Specialist_Bake6514 Vapiano P3: Italian Food Made in Germany

Vapiano P3: Italian Food Made in Germany
The kitchen is on fire. Welcome to the final part of the Vapiano story where the tables are turning. In the first two episodes we followed Mark Korzilius' journey from setbacks to founding Vapiano, a groundbreaking restaurant concept, highlighting its fresh ingredients, dynamic atmosphere, and data-driven operations that drove rapid success. While achieving initial profitability and garnering attention from industry giants like McDonald's, Vapiano's global expansion has led to stellar revenue growth. However, it has also resulted in the emergence of numerous side projects (or distractions), operational challenges, increased costs, significant investments, and a notable accumulation of debt. This underscores the prioritization of top-line growth over profitable growth. We will continue on this thread and see how the story ends, but I would encourage you to read part one and two for better context. Vapiano P1: Italian Food Made in Germany (substack.com). Let's dig in.
Before Going Public
We are now in 2015 and the year is a disaster for Vapiano's PR department. Employee time stamps are being manipulated, endless overtime for employees and high turnover in managerial roles are reported; mice in the kitchen and even rotten food allegedly found.
The company is confronted with allegations of exceeding working hours among trainees in an article published by Welt am Sonntag, while the same outlet accuses Vapiano of manipulating punch times. The auditing firm PwC is commissioned to investigate the allegations and finds that there is no systematic approach but rather misconduct by individual employees, a mistake that’s being corrected. Internal however, investigations into stamp times are carried out regularly now and beyond its obvious reputational impact, this sucks up valuable management time and attention.
In the summer of 2015 CEO, co-founder and investor Gregor Gerlach, who has been running the group since 2011 is stepping down and Jochen Halfmann is taking over. A new Vapiano People Program with an App is being developed with the aim to better interact with customers that will incorporate innovate features such as mobile pay. The German website sees a launch of new magazine to further promote the brand and there is now a full inhouse blogger and Instagram team being installed. In October the company buys seven restaurants from original co-founder, former co-investor and ex-president previously responsible for internation expansion Kent Hahne (2x Bonn, 3x Cologne, 1x Koblenz and one in Cologne that’s under construction). This package of Vapiano restaurants is very successful and generates net sales of more than 20 million euros in 2014. Hahne opened his first Vapiano restaurant in Cologne in August 2006 and in 2015 with his company apeiron AG, Hahne operates six L'Osteria franchise restaurants, a direct Vapiano competitor, and two self-owned restaurants GinYuu.
Then in November of 2015, the next public relations bomb goes off with allegations regarding the company's quality standards. The company immediately investigates the issue through internal and external specialists but finds no evidence of any quality issues. Nevertheless, knowing that the group is now being closely watched, the company’s already in place hygiene standards are being reinforced. Additional audits and inspections are performed nationally. Further, all Vapianos worldwide are being audited twice by the partners SGS Institut Fresenius and SAI Global. Auditing software is purchased to simplify the implementation of the audits and the resulting measures. Apart from the external examinations, there is a food sampling plan in place being performed continuously. Again, all of this sucks up costs, management time and attention. With all these tumultuous developments the company’s growth engine is undeterred. Revenue grows by a whopping 50 million euros to 202 million euros, an increase of 33%. Impressive. While average spent per customer increases in all countries, the number of customers per day in Germany decreases by 3.3% partially due to the negative press towards the end of the year. Five own, four JV and 19 new franchise restaurants are added that year to the group, the total number of own managed restaurants grows to 51, there are 31 JVs and 84 franchises which bringing the total to 166 Vapiano restaurants. Global restaurant sales are now above 400 million euros.
But while revenue grows by an astronomical 50 million euros, operating profits, alarmingly, shrink again. Gross margins are staying perfectly healthy above 75% but operating costs keep growing disproportionately fast. The Company’s outstanding debt jumps by almost 30 million, close to 85 million euros by the end of the year. With operating profits at 9.5 million euros, alarm bells should be going off right now.
In Q4 of 2015, new CEO Jochen Halfmann introduces Strategy 2020. The new strategy includes five essential points. One, profitable growth in the newly defined core markets of Germany and Austria as well as in the UK, Netherlands, France and USA. Two, operational excellence through strict “best practice” management. Three, further development and digitalization of the concept considering guest feedback. Four, greater focus on long-term employee retention and five, building a modern and sustainable IT landscape. Sound’s good on paper but let’s see how things pan out.
Vapiano's investments (capital expenditures) that year are primarily directed towards new restaurant openings, renovations of existing establishments, and share acquisitions in other Vapiano restaurants from franchisees or JV partners. A significant portion of funds is allocated to the digitalization of the guest experience, including the development of a new app scheduled for market release in 2016 and the implementation of a time recording system across all group restaurants. The world's first standalone Vapiano restaurant with a delivery service that year is built in Fürth, Germany. The company keeps expanding its presence in both inner-city locations and international markets, such as Shanghai, China.
To finance all of this, the group has its own operating cash flow which comes in at 18 million while capital expenditures are 26 million euros plus 14 million for acquisitions. The funding gab is filled with 26 million euros of new debt and a seven-million-euro equity raise. At that end of the year and after the equity raise Gregor Gerlach (through his AP Leipzig GmbH & Co. KG entity) holds 30.1%, Hans-Joachim and Gisa Sander through their Exchange Bio GmbH hold 25.5% and the Tchibo heirs, Herz through their Mayfair Beteiligungsfonds II GmbH & Co. KG hold 44,4%.
But for the first time the restaurant’s concept that was so successful to date is being questioned. Some customers are starting to mislike the operational flow of the concept itself. If you want pasta, you must queue for pasta. If you want pizza you stand in a different queue. A small side salad, yet another queue. "You spend more time carrying trays than an actress in Berlin-Mitte. The audience in the pasta limbo can only consist of people who have worked for an insurance company for a long time and, like Stockholm syndrome, they can no longer get away from the industrial canteen feeling," writes TV host Beisenherz provocatively. While overly harsh in his assessment he's not entirely wrong judging by customers venting their frustrations in forums and social media channels. It isn’t uncommon for those who ordered pizza to have already finished eating while there is little movement in the pasta queue. Long term that doesn't go down well, QSRs competitors like L’Osteria are handling this process differently, with much success.
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Tipping Point

Where are now in the year 2016 and things start to deteriorate visibility. Perhaps not for the leman’s eye but any business minded observer can see that there are problems under the hood. Yes, revenue grows yet another whopping 50 million to almost 250 million euros but half of that growth, comes from acquisitions of restaurants that the group didn’t already own 100%, which is now being fully consolidated within the group’s accounts. Here is a concrete example. In the past, Vapiano SE, the group’s top holding company held an indirect 50% stake in a French subgroup via the subsidiary VAP Restaurants SA, based in Luxembourg, and included this as an associated company in the Vapiano SE consolidated financial statements using the equity method. Due to the acquisition of additional shares in September of 2016, Vapiano SE's indirect share in the French subgroup increased to 75%. This means that Vapiano SE takes control of the French subgroup, which is therefore included in the group’s financial statements as part of the full consolidation. The revenue from the acquired subsidiary now recorded in the consolidated income statement amounts to 12.8 million euros. While that’s great for the top line, the loss of the fully consolidated entity equates to 0.2 million euros. Yes, you are buying revenue, but there are losses attached to them, not profits. A similar case is the Swedish entity that runs eight restaurants with revenue of 11.5 million euros but has losses of 235 thousand euros. So much for Strategy 2020 and “profitable” growth.
That year the group’s operating profits are absolutely tanking, halving to 3.5 million euros. Operating profits are now a mere 1,4% of revenue. Remember original founder Mark Korzilius who talked about operating margins of 25% to 28% at the restaurant level? Yes, there are overhead costs for the organization that sits above the chain of restaurants, but operating margins that low indicates a course correction is needed. What’s telling is that in the annual report, in the management discussion section, the company starts talking about EBITDA as a proxy measure of profitability, rather than operating profit or net income. This wasn’t the case in the years before. Is this window dressing for an upcoming IPO? EBITDA is short for earnings before interest, tax, depreciation, and amortization. How can you measure profitability of a restaurant chain that absolutely and unequivocally needs capital investment to maintain its restaurant operations, the very source of cash generation, by simply excluding this maintenance charge (depreciation in the income statement)? Vapiano’s own annual report talks about the fact that existing restaurants must be rejuvenated from time to time and that new interior designs have to be implemented every few years. These things wear and tear, they go out of style, kitchen equipment breaks and needs replacement. This business absolutely needs maintenance capital expenditure, why anyone talks of profits before these maintenance costs is beyond me. Fun fact: in the previous annual report EBITDA is mentioned seven times, mostly around restaurant acquisitions and financing, not however as a profit indication for the group. In the new annual report, EBITDA is mentioned 28 times. Maybe it’s just me but belated Charlie Munger liked to call EBITDA: bullsh*t earnings. When in doubt I stick with Charlie. Interestingly, EBITDA for Vapiano keeps growing while operating and net profits keep falling.
Operating cashflow for the group that year is about 21 million euros, but capital expenditure is 30 million and acquisitions for subsidiaries another 20 million. To finance these expenditures another 28 million euros of debt and 16 million of equity is raised. Net debt rises above 130 million euro. The operating cashflow of the group before any capital expenditures is 21 million euros. I am not sure free cash flow would be significantly positive after maintenance capex is paid out; it’s not broken out so we can’t be sure. Granted, I am not on the ground during this time, and I am not in the board room, I am simply reading what’s in front of me, but to me this is starting to look like a distressed situation. Regardless, the following year the company goes public.

IPO

Where are now in the year 2017 and its Vapiano’s first year as public company. The company’s annual report reads the following “Sales revenue, like-for-like growth (LfL) and the earnings figures EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA are used as the most important financial performance indicators for controlling operational business activities.” The very same report however also says: “The majority of the group's investments regularly go towards opening new restaurant locations and modernizing existing restaurants. The latter are differentiated into regular replacement investments that occur during ongoing operations (Maintenance CAPEX) and fundamental investments in the renovation of a restaurant (Remodeling CAPEX). On average, a restaurant remodeling takes place nine years after opening.” It says it right there in their own report; every nine years a remodeling is taking place. Remodeling and updating is not cost free, so why exclude depreciation charges which reflect capital expenditures? I understand that perhaps you would want to strip out one-off opening costs, that’s fine and fair, but don’t go overboard.
The number of restaurants increases by 26 (previous year: 13) to a total of 205. The increase consists of 27 new openings and one closure. Group revenue grows to an astonishing 325 million euros but here comes the shocker, operating profits turn negative to 25 million. Fine, strip out foreign exchange losses of 3 million, IPO costs of 5.8 million and new opening costs of 6.1 million and you still have 10 million euros of operational losses. All the while the debt load of almost 130 million hasn’t materially changed, so those operating losses are before a six-million-euro interest payment. 184 million euros are raised through the IPO of which 85 million go to the company. This money is earmarked for further expansion as the group has ambitions to almost double the footprint to 330 restaurants by the end of 2020. The company is currently not profitable on an operating basis, and still wants to expand aggressively? I don’t get it. The remaining 100 million euros of the IPO money raised is distributed to co-founder Gregor Gerlach and Wella heirs Hans-Joachim and Gisa Sander. The family office of the former Tchibo owners Günter and Daniela Herz with a 44% stake, don’t sell a single share. After the IPO, 32% of all the company’s shares are now in free float.
One year later, in 2018, things get even worse. Revenue grows to 371 million, but operating losses mount to 85 million euros, that’s before interest expenses of 9 million. Even the beloved EBITDA figure turns negative, meaning the operating business before any expansionary or even maintenance capital expenditures is loss making. All regions are experiencing significant deterioration in their earnings profiles. Like for like sales are down 1% across the board. That’s revenue, not profitability. The question naturally arises: is the Group approaching its natural saturation point here or this operational by nature? The operating cash flow is now 9 million while financing cost are close to 7 million. That leaves 2 million for maintenance capital for 74 own restaurants and 76 joint ventures ones. Describing this as financially tight, would be an understatement.
Things are not looking good at this point. Yet the company still grows restaurants by 26 new sites. 64 million euros are spent on acquisitions, new openings, and maintenance costs, financed through a 20 million-euro equity raise and 72 million of new debt. The Company now has net debt outstanding of over 160 million euros. After the equity raise and by the end of the year 2018, Mayfair owns 47.4%, VAP Leipzig, Gregor Gerlach’s entity owns 18.9% and the Sander couple own 15.5% of the company. Yes, the Sanders and Gerlach may have taken 100 million euros off the table, but they still have substantial skin in the game. Plus, Mayfair hasn’t sold a single share and instead injects more money into the company through the equity round. The stock has now fallen from its IPO price of 23 euros per share to under 6 euros by the end of 2018. Something must be done here. And indeed, there is pivot in strategy and a hard push for change. At last, the management team abandons its aggressive growth plan and curtails new openings significantly. Additionally, the team wants to run a thorough analysis of weak locations to then either discontinue or sell sites. In Europe, the operating focus will be put on corporate restaurants and joint ventures in major cities to ensure the ideal size and location to match the respective demographic target group. Outside of Europe, the franchising business is being expanded and at the same time a consolidation of the existing corporate and joint venture markets is being sought. All future investments will be reviewed to achieve higher rates of returns on new openings. Investments are also being made in the renovation of older restaurants. The goal in the future is to also open smaller formats, like Mini-Vapianos (less than 400 square meters) or Freestander at prominent transportation hubs outside city centers (currently in Fürth and Toulouse) to cater to individual location requirements, and to enter new partnerships. I am not sure why management hasn’t stopped all expansion altogether, bringing the ship in order first, getting profitable, clean up, all hands-on deck before considering any further expansions whatsoever. But again, it’s easy to comment from the sidelines; maybe they saw white spaces that would be covered by competing concepts if they weren’t moving fast and aggressively enough. Although pushing internationally means competing with local players such as Jamie's Italian, Prezzo, Pizza Express, Wagamama, Nando's and many more which brings in its own dynamic.
Management also aims to enhance guest satisfaction. This involves refining operational processes, reorganizing the support center, and refocusing on the core offering: providing fresh and high-quality Italian food at affordable prices for a broad audience. The group also aims to reduce waiting times, especially during lunch, while also improving the evening atmosphere. There is even what I would call an evolution, away from Vapiano’s original concept, reorientating the customer journey. The ordering flow is being changed, offering guests synchronized preparations of all dishes while eliminating wait times at the cooking stations. The open show kitchen remains, staying true to original mantra of freshness and transparency but now guests can choose their preferred method of ordering through a mobile app, using a digital order point (kiosk), or by personally placing an order with a waiter. Guests can still freely choose their table and are then informed about the complete preparation of their order through a pager or their smartphone. This is a substantial deviation from the original concept, but a needed one. The group is also exploring and implementing the expansion of take-away and home delivery services but only at suitable locations, not universally across new openings. I am not sure why home delivery is even a priority here; it adds operational complexity. It’s better to clean up shop first and get back to the basics before adding new complexities. To be fair management does try to simplify. There are 49 different permanent dishes on the menu and additional 10 seasonal ones. Customers can choose from eleven different types of pasta. There is simply too much choice, and it makes orders complicated. The company announced to slim the menu down to its most popular and typical Vapiano dishes. There’s no need for an Asian salad at an Italian restaurant. "We have to go back to the roots, i.e. classic, honest Italian cuisine" says COO Everke. Regardless, in November of 2018, the supervisory board pulls the plug on CEO Jochen Halfmann and replaces him with Cornelius Everke. Everke himself has just become COO five months ago. Since 2017 he was responsible for international expansion. From 2011 to 2017 that role was filled by Mario Bauer – put a pin in that name, he’ll play a key role in the groups fate later. Then nine months later, in the middle of 2019, Cornelius Everke quits. He essentially concludes that his skillset and experience in the areas of internation expansion is no longer needed in the foreseeable future. To put it differently: Vapiano has moved from a growth story and has become a restructuring case, and other skills are required for that job. In June of 2019 Everke says the following “(we’ve) made a bit of a mistake when it came to foreign expansion”. No sh#t. Vapiano postpones the presentation of the 2018 annual financial statements three times in the spring of 2019, citing negotiations over an urgently needed loan of 30 million euros. It’s not until the end of May that a binding loan commitment comes through from the financing banks and major shareholders.
We are now in August of 2019 and the corona pandemic is just around the corner. Supervisory board chief Vanessa Hall takes over as interim-CEO and things are unravelling. Visitor numbers are declining; originally, it was planned to sell the US business but halfway through the year the buyer cannot come up with the money. But not all restaurants are performing poorly. The group's poor figures contrast starkly as an example with the experiences of the Swiss-German franchisee, who runs six restaurants. The Sodano family in Switzerland pays Vapiano a royalty of 6% of sales for the use of the brand. Enrico Sodano explains in an interview that they operate largely autonomously from the licensor. If an “accident” were to occur, he could immediately replace the Vapiano sign with Sodano, he says. The family concluded the rents and contracts with employees and suppliers independently. The Sodano family have six locations in Bern, Basel and Zurich, around one million guests every year and 350 employees. Things are going well on the ground. The delivery service they’ve built is offering them a second income stream. Expansion into Winterthur, St. Gallen and Lucerne are being planned; small locations with 150 to 250 square meters and an attached delivery service. Originally, Vapiano restaurants used to be huge but for such a large restaurant to be profitable, 800 to 1,000 guests per day are needed. That’s possible in medium-sized cities, but not in smaller towns which is why the Vapiano group now also supports smaller formats. Back to our corporate drama. The 2019 annual report would be the last report the group files. By the end 2019 the outstanding debt of the company is at an astronomical 450 million euros. Revenue has grown by another 7%, produced by four net new openings through two JVs and two franchise restaurants but operating losses come in at 317 million euros. That sound like an absolute shocker at first but depreciation and amortization charges are 345 million, so that operating cash flow is actually positive but unfortunately capital expenditures and interest payments are so large that they are eating up all of the company’s operating cash flow. Then in the beginning of 2020 Corona hits with full force and the world shuts down. As a result of the measures to prevent further spreading of the virus, the group is forced to cease all global business operations (except in Sweden). While all these shutdowns are happening, the group is the middle of negotiating with its lending banks and main shareholders. There are additional financing needs for restructuring measures, even without a pandemic happening in the background. The situation is so dire that the company starts pleading to the German government to roll out the package of financial help more quickly. Unfortunately, it’s to no end. The rapid closure of restaurants and the resulting lack of operating cash inflows in conjunction with the additional financing requirements, lead to the company’s final knockout punch. In April of 2020, the Vapiano group officially files for insolvency proceedings. The end of an era.

New Beginnings

Because of the pandemic, the majority of the group's subsidiaries in Austria, the Netherlands, Denmark, the United States, Sweden, and China also file for insolvency or seek liquidation. The US business never gets sold in the end and is wound down. In the summer of 2020, significant group divestments occur, including the sale of 75% shares in the group's French subsidiaries, shares in franchisor companies, Australian subsidiaries, German subsidiaries, associated companies, self-managed restaurants in Germany, and insolvency-related sales in the Netherlands, Great Britain, and Sweden. The buyer of the Vapiano brand and one of these bundles of Vapiano restaurants is company named Love & Food Restaurant Holding, a consortium led by Mario C. Bauer – a name I told you to remember. Bauer was a former Vapiano board member and led the national and international expansion, opening 200 sites in 33 countries from 2011 to 2017 until he was succeeded by Cornelius Everke. Bauer didn’t feel comfortable with the IPO at the time but clearly has a lot of managerial and entrepreneurial talent.
The buyer consortium is an absolute A-Team comprised of European QSR top league hitters, including the founder of the Pret A Manger chain Sinclair Beecham; Henry McGovern, the founder and Ex-CEO of the giant international restaurant and foodservice operator AmRest; the Van der Valk Family that runs hotels and Vapiano restaurants in the Netherlands, and co-founder and ex-CEO Gregor Gerlach. The acquisition value is 15 million euros and entails 30 Vapiano restaurants in Germany, albeit that’s just the purchase price which comes on top of any capital investment needed to refresh and return the sites to its former glory. Nevertheless, just as a thought experiment, if you can get each site to 2 million euros of revenue and 400,000 euros in operating profit on average, which wouldn’t be an overly aggressively assumption given the company’s history, you’ve got yourself a package that can deliver restaurant-level operating profits of 12 million euros or more. It’s not disclosed how much capex was needed to refresh the operations, just that fact that the overall investment plus purchase price was a middle double-digit million-euro figure. Stil, it probably was a decent purchase. The same consortium buys Vapiano’s French business for 25 million euros just two weeks prior. After the transaction concludes, the master franchise is given to Delf Neumann and his Gastro & Soul GmbH. Neumann is an experienced operator, and he is ambitious to revitalise the brand with new services and products. For example, instead of pizza, the restaurants will be serving pinsa - a flatbread made from sourdough, wheat and rice flour, topped similarly to a pizza. It targets a more health-oriented customer base looking for a less calory heavy option. The menu overall is expanded by including a variety of vegan and vegetarian dishes.
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Today Neumann’s Gastro & Soul GmbH operates 18 Vapianos on its own account and has 29 franchise sites, amongst other brands. By the year 2021, Vapiano operates 191 restaurants in 34 countries. This is around 50 fewer sites than before the bankruptcy. The number of branches is particularly thinned out in Germany – from 80 to 55. Nevertheless, Vapiano's home country remains by far the largest market, followed by France with 35 restaurants and Austria with 15 locations. “We have shrunk ourselves to health,” says Bauer in the aftermath and there is no further shrinking planned. Quite the opposite, the smell of expansion is in the air again – pun intended. Not as aggressively as before and with a new menu and ordering process.
Overall, the team around Bauer is filled with industry experts with knowledge and networks gained over decades who have a great track record, a long-term view, and the staying power to let Vapiano breath and finds its way back to success. The pressure of being a public company with all the associated quarterly, half-year and yearly disincentives have been removed. The menu is changed and extended with new types of pasta and sauces with significantly more vegetarian and vegan dishes available. Guests can order with restaurant staff, at terminals or on their phones and there are barcodes attached to the tables identify the respective seat. The food is brought to your table, all at the same time if you are in a group, no more annoyances with waiting in line. There is a plan for smaller, 350 square meter locations, with half the number of guests and significantly fewer staff and less set-up costs required to make the economics work. Locations that capitalize on remote work and increased demand for local lunch options, higher population density with shorter delivery routes and therefore cost-effective in house delivery services are targeted. And Bauer is testing the concept of ghost kitchens, which operate without a dining room or service staff, focusing solely on preparing food for delivery services, which for obvious reasons have a very different operational set up and footprint. Original founder Mark Korzilius however is not entirely convinced. He is not a fan of the pinsa for instance and he considers Vapiano's pizza as its cash cow, flagship product and believes that the core Vapiano proposition of Pizza, Pasta, Bar that has given the company its original success is being diluted. He instead admires the competitor L'Osteria, saying they’ve done a better job by focusing on Italian classics, especially the impressively large pizzas that sticks out beyond the plate is leaving every customer in awe. The guys who run L’Osteria are the same guys who have built Vapiano with him in the first place. Bauer on the other hand, like a true business leader, remains undeterred, stating that he is frequently asked whether Vapiano's restart was bold or foolish. He believes in entrepreneurship, franchising, in his experienced fellow partners and importantly the Vapiano concept. By the year 2024 you can find over 140 Vapiano branded restaurant in 27 countries across the globe, including locations far away from its birthplace like Australia, USA, Columbia, Chile, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia. And why not? Italian food is, and will remain to be, incredibly popular. Vapiano offers fresh and tasty food at affordable prices in a good atmosphere. This combination of attributes should attract a lot of customers. It certainly has in the past.
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2024.05.13 14:15 Ufonauter In 1986 an Italian professor working for the University of Pavia in Italy would have a face to face encounter with an unknown entity. But unlike so many other encounters, this professor was able to take 5 photos.

In 1986 an Italian professor working for the University of Pavia in Italy would have a face to face encounter with an unknown entity. But unlike so many other encounters, this professor was able to take 5 photos.
To begin with, I will state that this post was months in the making (mostly waiting and chasing false leads) and carries with it perhaps some answers, plenty of questions, and perhaps for some, a similarity to their own experiences. Special thanks to u/Neo-Rex as well as u/ebycon for their assistance in helping me find and rule out some areas of research.
Disclaimer: The following images and text are provided without photo manipulation on my end (besides simple cropping and scanning). There are going to be many references in this post to Italian media, magazines, as well as individual writers. This is by no means an endorsement, advertisement, or other form of ARG intended to sell, market, or persuade anyone to buy, rent, or procure any of the described materials. Because I know this is a new area of topic, and because the images provided are of an unusual nature, I will provide various sources to prove that these images are not enhanced, manipulated by hand or by a contemporary photo manipulation program or AI generation.
Before we get into the nitty gritty of the images I will provide background as to how I came upon these images, and the flow of information.
I was first made aware of these images after researching separate alien encounters for a post of mine (see that post here for further details regarding that) one of the sources used was "alieni in italia 1945-1995 50 anni di incontri ravvicinati". On page VIII towards the back of the book these images (or rather image as three were compressed into one section) as well as the following text appears
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"Vero alieno o scoop giornalistico? Ho evitato di inserire nel presente catalogo questo caso avvero singolare. Si tratte infatti di alcune foto )5_ scattate da un non meglio indentificato "professore universitario di pavia" nell'estate del 1986 e pubblicate da sette. il settimanale del Corriere della Sera. Si referiscono ad una presunta entita aliena che si sarebbe manifestata al professore in una situazione del tutto casuale. Non sono mancati pareri sfavorevoli expressi da parecchi ufologi. ( Foto tratte da: Sette n. 9/10 sette giorni illustrati dal Corriere della Sera, 5 marzo, 1988.
Translated: "Real alien or journalistic scoop? I have avoided including in the present catalog this singular case. These are in fact some photos(5) taken by an unidentified "university professor from Pavia" in the summer of 1986 and published by seven. The weekly newspaper Corriere della Sera. They refer to an alleged alien entity that allegedly manifested itself to the professor in a completely random situation. There was no shortage of unfavorable opinions expressed by several ufologists. ( Photo taken from: Seven No. 9/10 seven days illustrated by Corriere della Sera, March 5, 1988.
That was all the information provided within. (it should be noted that although this description mentions 5 photos, there are only these 3 provided within Moreno Tambellinis book.) These images captured my attention fairly quickly as I am fairly familiar with purported alien/supernatural photographs, so to find one I have never seen, and in such a quality which is general not present within other such photos as these, was more than enough to tip my curiosity in the direction of delving deeper.
First attempt at finding further information regarding these photos, and this particular magazine issue ended in little success, though I was able to find what I, at the time, believed to be a correctly colorized image of this entity. See below.
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Unassuming on some random blog that attributed a name to this entity while providing no further information regarding the image itself (as certain ufological circles are want to do). Not finding further information I attempted to find further information based off of this colorized image, but to no avail. Save for one source that used this image ( in a different colorized manner, slightly less yellow and oozing with potential, that being this image by Argentinian Ufologist Dante Franch. See below.
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Finally, someone who might have a lead on this information! But no, once again this image is deceptively alluring as the contents of this book have absolutely nothing to do with the Sette report, but simply use its image to describe unsourced and unverified tales of the City of Erks (a wild dive on its own and may be deserving of its own post) and other entities that supposedly have a resemblance to this cover image.
Upon further searches I came across this archived link with additional images some with closer to truth color, including the aforementioned first colorized image here https://web.archive.org/web/20080312200229/https://www.anomalia.org/perspectivas/fotosets/campo_cielo.htm as well as the additional references. The author of this blog post is Mexican Ufologist Luis Ruiz Noguez, notable for his skepticism and thorough investigation relating to this material, so it was a no-brainier to look into his research regarding this seeing as he had previously mentioned it here on his blogpost. So where better to look than his book "Extraterrestres ante las camaras" Volume X dealing specifically with italian encounters and purported alien photographs. But again, despite his previous notation in this blog, the contents of these images specifically are nowhere to be seen or mentioned within this book.
Research stagnated for some time during the search process for the original source cited in Moreno Tambellinis book. I was able after five months (you have no idea how hard it was to find a copy) able to acquire a copy of this magazine and finally was able to determine that the previously assumed white coverall of this entities outfit has been a false notion.
The following text is a translation of the pages within this issue of march 7th 1988 Sette: Corriere della Cera . 9/10, the original scans, as well as a translated text document of these pages can be found in the sources listed below. Important note: although these images are primary focus of this article, it does meander into thoughts on Whitley Striebers book "Communion" (which will be a source of contention that will be covered later in this post). But the translated post here is the relevant text to these images.
"Just as we were editing a report on the UFO phenomenon that was supposed to appear on 7 at the same time as the television passage of Spielberg's film Close Encounters of the third kind, we came across a resounding surprise: the images published in these pages and on the cover of this issue. They were taken completely by chance, one summer evening in 1986, by a professor at the University of Pavia, above all suspicion and known for his balance, his intelligence and rationality, completely alien to the somewhat emphatic and vaguely bizarre world of the so-called "contactees": those people who say they have entered into a relationship with unknown entities from the cosmos."
"He is a completely normal person who has always been skeptical of the reports of unidentified flying objects and is now also a testimony, erroneous to the idea that his name is related to the disturbing figure captured by his camera. The university lecturer has agreed to give us what he considers to be evidence of his shocking experience in exchange for absolute confidentiality"
"What to make of these images? We can make a few assumptions.
A) The author of the photos is a mystrifier. It is unlikely: too much resistance has opposed the publication of his document (which he has yielded for free to 7). In addition, he wishes to remain anonymous. A behavior that is certainly not that of those who want to speculate on a scooop, true or presumed.
B) The author is the victim of a game. Someone made him take "fireflies for lanterns". A well-thought-out game, by true professionals. It is not unlikely, even if the professor is not a "contactee", one obsessed with extraterrestrials, that is, a man who could arouse "temptations" among those who know him.
C) The photos really document something alien. A mysterious otherness has been captured by the professor's camera, who was the first to be surprised by this tangible presence, imprinted on the film that is absolutely different from a hallucination. What to say? What are we to think of images that forcefully re-propose the problem (or the dream, or the myth, or the nightmare) of the existence of other beings, of other civilizations that populate galaxies or dimensions unknown to us? Science continues to question these facts, but an answer is still a long way off. All experiences at the "edge of reality" are embarrassing. The line that divides science and mystery is still vague. Prudence, in these cases, is a must. And the desire not to appear is widespread among the witnesses. The professor from Pavia, who chose restriction, has an illustrious precedent."
"These images, taken on a summer evening in 1986 by a professor at the University of Pavia, who asked to remain anonymous, are the subject of various hypotheses of interpretation in the text of the article. The reader is free to draw his own conclusions."
Here are the direct scans of this entity as they appear in the magazine, scanned directly out of a physical copy of this magazine. (do note although these images are uploaded in different order I believe they may be sorted as such, I make no claim to the accuracy of this in terms of chronological order, but which is most aesthetically appeasing.)
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Now, while the article was very keen to post certain aspects of this, it was rather lacking, and it must be stated although the title of this issue, as well as the description in the article infer this is related to UFO's. There is no mention of an actual UFO or craft present within this encounter, or at the very least, this information was omitted from the article, and was potentially removed at the request of the professor in question, though that is speculation on my part.
The following sections will deal with the author of this previous issue, as well as the two follow-up articles and their individual authors.
There is more information present as the above text states, not from the previous issue, but from two separate follow-up articles that were saved and printed in the Italian Ufo magazine "UFO express no. 043." Link to the full untranslated issue here/UFO%20Express%20-%20No%20043.pdf). These separate addendums fully cover the images in question and are critical but not overly-so. The most important aspect to this is that the professor provided further information to Sette, primarily about what they were doing prior to this entities appearance, but also their means of photographic capture.
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UFO: Is this being from another world? read the scroll on the cover of 7 (No. 9/10) that we republish on this page. Hundreds of phone calls and letters arrived at the editorial office, and they continue to arrive after Mino Damato in his TV program Alla ricerca dell'arca (Sunday, March 27, Rai 3 8:30 p.m.) dealt with the same images, depicting a hypothetical alien photographed by a professor at the University of Pavia one summer evening in 1986.
There are those who believe in this hypothetical alien and those who do not, but all of the readers who have phoned or written are bound to each other by the rejection of that question mark printed on the cover: each of them is persuaded to erase the hypothesis, to tear away the veil of the enigma. And they split into two equally intolerant parties, leaving no room for doubt. We have chosen two exemplary letters. The first letter comes from Brixen and is signed by Mr. Nicola De Paola (2 Clesia Street). He says “the alien is a tobogganist: typical are the tight suit the aerodynamic helmet, the face crushed by the transparent visor, the blurred colors and contours of the photos are due to the fact that they were taken from television, with the obj vo blurred or too close up and strange an alien with limbs, head, face and body identical to those of man; I too will be able to take photographs quite similar to those published; as a reader I feel mocked.”
Others have certainly seen in the hypothetical alien: a surgeon, a nurse, an ice skater, an Icelandic firefighter, a Norwegian cryologist (sic), a KGB spy, a hockey player with his head bandaged; in short, some man in overalls or uniforms. No one has identified in the figures, despite the width of the pelvis, a woman or an androgynous. The second letter comes from Ferrara and is signed by Mr. Giovanni Mantovani (via Luigi Borsari 51). Says; When I saw the photographs I immediately thought: but look, it looks like the E.T. seen by R.M on September 2, 1987 while he was fishing on the bank of the Canal Bianco (RO). He felt an intense tingling, turned around and saw a strange individual: dark complexion, 2 meters tall, hair that looked like plastic, wearing a luminescent blue jumpsuit. The apparition lasted a few seconds.R.M. felt a chill, a feeling that was renewed at the sight of your photos... Only one remark can be made to the professor of Pavia: that of not having given the readers further clarifications about the close approach of the third type...
Here are the further clarifications that the professor from Pavia has allowed us to give, although he is consumed by the fear of being uncovered and covered with ridicule. The photos were taken by a Nikon camera, with motor-drive, 55 mm lens. Micro, 3.5 aperture, shutter speed: 1/4 second Polachrome film, 40 Asa sensitivity. Shortly after the sun went down, the professor was completing some experiments on the optical perception of dogs (how does a dog see things in the world? Black and white? With what depth, in what perspective?). That alone is almost ridiculous. We were missing the hypothetical alien. A dog joke? Maybe. But the professor never solved the riddle. And dogs don't talk. ~ Paolo Pietroni
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The hypothetical alien out of 7 has caused conflicting reactions. The photo was taken from a Nikon by a university lecturer while carrying out experiments on the visual perception of dogs
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Pietroni (information about this addendums author)
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Your E.T. seems to me to be a feminine being...
Dear editor, I am writing to you in relation to the series of 5 photographs taken by a better identified professor of Pavia one summer evening in 1986 and which appeared in the supplement of the Corriere della Sera n. 9/10 Since I am not familiar with photographic technique, I have written down the shooting parameters communicated by you personally during Mino D'Amato's television program In Search of the Ark on March 27.
Correct me if I'm wrong: Nikon camera body with motor, 5.5 mm focal length lens, aperture dia 3.5, exposure time 1/15 of a second. Certainly, with this adjustment, every little movement of the camera or of the photographed subject causes a blurred or rather blurred photograph. Probably, this whole story of the photos arose from the need of the Rizzoli Group to launch on the market the Italian version of the best American seller Communion by Ted Jacob, which deals, coincidentally, with the subject of extraterrestrials. This colossal business is also sponsored by the production of the film, which has been "posted" while waiting for the possible buyers of such a profitable product to be sufficiently sensitized...
Having said this, I wish, through his kindness, to convey to the professor of Pavia my modest comments on his photos. Feminism aside, I confess that the first spontaneous observation I made on these photographs was to recognize without a shadow of a doubt a woman, or rather a female being; The conformation of the hips, the breasts, combined with the grace of the bowed pose with folded arms, unequivocally belonged to a woman. But let's get to the details.
The suit - It appears so tight that it shows every little part of the body so as to give the impression of a "second skin"; It has light blue-green bands (as shown in the photo on the right on page 74) that are more evident around the neck, on the shoulders and on the arms.
The hands - They appear covered by the sleeves and more elongated than ours (cover figure), dare I say w(bed.
The head - Although it is more mobile, it clearly shows these elements: oval face with a slightly flattened nose, microphone with a light-colored support arm placed at the height of the left ear (photo on the right, page 74)
The headset - It is completely different from any type currently built because it contains a transceiver module at the top for contact with some support organ (e.g. an operations center, or a cosmoplane, or another operator), similar to what happens in Italy when astronauts go out of their vehicle and maintain constant radio contact with the control center.
The transceiver part can be seen both in the cover photo and on page 74, left and right, and is indicated by the protuberance on the top of the skull.
This study was born well out of any venal or other interest, in fact I am not a ufologist, but a pilot in full flight activity and with command responsibilities; I have been a first-hand witness to the phenomenon commonly associated with the improper name of UFO
Sure of the need to deal with the subject with more compatible methodologies than those promulgated by scientists and ufologists, I dedicate myself to the enhancement of aeronautical contactism, intending with this new term to redefine the sightings of military and civil pilots, aeronautical technicians, engineers, etc. who through direct experience with the phenomenon have acquired the conviction that we are not alone Only those who have had a direct impact with the phenomenon (the contactee) can provide a plausible image of themselves... everything else... They are only lucubrations born from mindsets that are not up-to-date with the present sotric moment on the one hand, and with the characteristics of the phenomenon on the other.
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I forwarded his observations to the professor in Pavia, author of the photos depicting the hypothetical alien. Thank you for your interesting analysis. You are free to believe it or not, but the Rizzoli Communion book had an absolutely random presence in our service: we liked the design of the cover; the portrait of that E.T. and we thought of enriching the illustrations of the service.
Roberto Doz (a fairly interesting individual on his own, air force colonel with his own UFO sighting) read more on that here
As for the author of the original article. Their name is Nullo Cantaroni, and may be more well known by his wife Bice Cairati( Sveva Casati Modigiani), Nullo Cantaroni had a fairly successful journalistic career, dealing primarily in medicine as co-authorized by fellow science journalist Severina Cantaroni. He eventually succumbed to Parkinson's disease. I make mention of these authors, Roberto Doz (who has a very good reason to be interested in the topic as he had his own experience). As well as the other two as these are not the ramblings of some crazy pumping out their own versions of weekly world news, but were and still are highly credible and respected peoples, whom by their own association are taking the flak for posting this material to begin with.
From here on out, this is going to be a further dive into the already presented material, some comparisons with other cases which have direct correlation with these images, as well as other information during my research that has not been touched on up until this point.
In the first follow-up article there is mention of a show "Alla Ricera dell'arca (In search of the ARK)". With he show discussing the images posted here. I was able to confirm that this episode does exist, with the covered material, and is within the RAI archives (Italian TV network/station). However, they would not lend the episode out to a non-Italian citizen, or someone associated with a University, or media conglomeration. I mention this as there may be more material covered in this episode that was not provided in the main article and its follow-ups. If there are any Italian citizens, or peoples reading this who have the appropriate accreditation to acquire a copy of this episode I would ask for your cooperation in attempting to do so. If someone has a copy of this simply recorded off of an old VHS I implore you to make that available to all.
Going back to the main article, the meandering to Communion is certainly off-putting, though I disagree with the previous mention that this was a hoax on the part of the publication to push Communion. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence after all (even though Carl Sagan never bothered with the evidence, side tangent: listen to J Allen Hynek talk about that here) But I believe these images were published in good faith on part of Nullo Cantaroni, his background and thorough career would make this unlikely.
So as it figures there are three scenarios here that describe this scenario (in no particular order of likelihood)
1) these images are hoaxed by the publication to push communion
2) these images are hoaxed by the supposed professor
3) these images are legitimate and provide evidence of a non-earth based entity.
Before I move on I'd like to mention that I did attempt to reach out to Corriere della Sera multiple times regarding this material but was never given a response.
To round this off the images themselves. Humanoid obviously, female-appearing, now I say appearing because assuming this really is some unexpected entity, there is no guarantee that the physiology of this figure accurately represents its determination, and although this entity appears to have what we'd consider to be skin, that may only be a covering to another form or may be some type of robotic synthetic life-form designed specifically to mimic human appearances. What may be most interesting or most alarming depending on your perspective is this entities face appears to change between shots, and yet seemingly keeps the same body proportions. If you are of the opinion this is some type of hoax you could state this is an obvious inconsistency between shots. On the other hand, that is an obvious conclusion to make and showing differentiating faces would be a rather odd choice on the part of a hoaxer. This again could be part of the photographing process, as there is motion blur between some of these photos and it simply gives an appearance that things are changing.
There are other features which must be touched upon, namely the clothing, but in one such photo, what appears to be some type of headgear wrapped around this entities face. To anyone with a passing knowledge of ufology and its associated lore would know, the favorite of any interstellar interloper is the tight formfitting bodysuit. Primarily described as blue, although other colors are often reported. But unlike most humanoid encounters described in the west, this entity seems to have a darker complexion about them. Now does that mean this does not fit in with established prior encounters? Not at all, for whatever reason the blonde-hair nordic is the most popular discussion topic when it comes to human-adjacent lifeforms, but in other places, and Italy especially, some of their most well know or most covered, feature entities with darker complexions. Case in point
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This encounter in 1978 Italy with a dark-skinned entity in a shimmering scaled suit. Or this description of a dark skinned entity with a similar described blue suit reported in 1987
Location. Villamarzana, Rome, Italy Date: September 2 1987 Time: 1700
Renzo Munari was fishing on the Bianco Canal when he noticed a strange object flying at a moderated speed over the river, as the object disappeared from sight he felt a strange prickling sensation in his body, resembling electrical static. Turning around he saw a very tall human-like figure staring intently at him. The figure was at least 2 meters in height, with orange hair and dark skin. He wore a luminous blue colored tight fitting coverall. On the left side of his chest there was a square orange colored “tag.” During the encounter the witness felt a cool wave of air and light headed. The figure apparently disappeared into the brush.
Source: Archivio SUF, USOCAT by The Italian Center forUFO Studies (CISU)
There is also this report from 1989 Russia
Location. Salsk, Rostov region, Russia Date: August 13 1989 Time: 2300
Working at a cotton irrigation plant Vasiliy Ivanovich suddenly experienced total equipment failure without any apparent cause. While searching for the cause of the breakdown, the witness heard a loud voice, “He is searching for the cause”. Looking around he saw four humanoids standing close to him. One stood in the front, while the other three stood in the back. He described the humanoids as tall, with long dangling arms, with a large head, flattened on the top and wide at the temples. The humanoids are dark red or brown in color with large egg-shaped eyes and two holes instead of a nose. They have no lips, and thin strip instead of a mouth. They were wearing truncated shiny blue coveralls and footwear. The humanoid standing at the front of the others held a box in his hand and a soft pleasant voice seemed to emanate from the box. He held the box at stomach level. Ivanovich approached the humanoids and asked who they were; the reply was a question asking him if he wanted to go with them. At this point the witness saw a light at the edge of the nearby woods and a hovering object. The humanoids then floated slowly towards the craft and disappeared. Terrified the witness ran to the village to notify other witnesses but upon returning to the site the humanoids had already left.
Source:UFOZONE Russia
As for the headgear, there is a report from 1995 Italy of an entity not resembling this one in this post, but wearing a similarly described headpiece.
Location: Ancona, Italy Date: February 3 1994, Time: 9:00am
Six witnesses, including a Mr. Giulo observed a strange humanoid wandering around some nearby rocks. The humanoid was described as about 1 meter and a half in height, wearing a tight fitting black coverall that covered his whole body including a pair of very long feet. The face was elongated with two huge round eyes, with round black pupils. It appeared to be wearing earphones with a small thin protruding antenna. It seemed to stagger slowly and after about 10 minutes it rose up slowly and vertically into the air, quickly disappearing from sight
Source: CISU Italy.
There is also this case from Barisciano Italy 1978 in which an entity bearing a striking similar blue color to the outfit was seen, with an adorning white "cap" or hairpiece that resembled that of a cap. read the untranslated version of that encounter here/Notiziario%20UFO%20-%201984%2001-02%20-%20Vol%2018%20No%20102.pdf)
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Finally, lets get back to the person allegedly behind this whole spiel, the Professor. A claim such as this, where an entity appears in ones presence without any known means is a stark claim all on its own, to provide photos of such an encounter is another thing all together, but being as its an anonymous person, how can we gleam any credibility out of this? To put it in other words, is there enough information provided within the original article as well as the follow-up articles to speculate on a potential identity to who this man could have been?
Emphatically yes, infact there is only one such individual who fits the criteria with the information provided, granted this information was given after the fact of the original articles publication. In the first article within UFO express that discusses this, we are told this person is running experiments relating to dogs (canine) eyesight, but the author was unsure whether or not this is a jest of some sort. I do not believe it is, in the secondary article it is again mentioned that this professor is working with canine eyesight, but in a caption on the second page it is emphasized this was "non-academic research". Now does that mean it was unrelated to their professional focus? No, it simply means this research was carried outside of official means. This leads me to who I believe the primary suspect is in terms of a potential identity, could there be other more accurate people? Perhaps. But this persons tenure and level of research within this subject and the timeframe of when they were working at the University of Pavia lines up perfectly with who this person could be. However, because of doxxing concerns, and that they initially requested complete anonymity from the publication I will not be directly naming their identity here. But I will heavily state that this person worked in the university of Pavia from 1985 in the zoology department and specifically with foxes and wolves. With this person having worked and published (into the present) works related to both of these fields. I have attempted to personally reach out to this professor both via email & telephone (their academic numbers, not personal) but have received no response. I would ask that if you do look into who this person is that you do not attempt to directly contact them as their lack of a response is response enough.
What was the encounter like? How long did it go on for? Was there a conversation or was this a quick in and out? These questions and more are not answered here, and perhaps never will be unless someone; the professor, an associate, or anyone else, comes forward with more details we are left wondering and wanting more. There is of course much to be said about these images and the potential for further investigations, including the peculiar hands this entity seems to posses that does have a passing resemblance to other cases, but lest this drag on to long I will leave it here and attempt to answer any questions that I may be capable of giving insight on.
Sources and resources used Archive link for translations and scans of original Corriere della Sera article https://archive.org/details/Paviaentity
Magazine and other ufological material sources: https://files.afu.se/Downloads/?dir=./
Document scanner for afu and other documents/sites https://updb.app/
alieni in italia by Moreno Tambelini
ImgOps for reverse image searching
https://ufologie.patrickgross.org/sys/text.htm & Albert Rosales for their compilations of humanoid encounters.
If you have had an encounter or know someone who has had an encounter similar to this or identical to this, do not hesitate to DM or message me with the details.
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2024.05.13 14:14 Ufonauter In 1986 an Italian professor working for the University of Pavia in Italy would have a face to face encounter with an unknown entity. But unlike so many other encounters, this professor was able to take 5 photos.

In 1986 an Italian professor working for the University of Pavia in Italy would have a face to face encounter with an unknown entity. But unlike so many other encounters, this professor was able to take 5 photos.
To begin with, I will state that this post was months in the making (mostly waiting and chasing false leads) and carries with it perhaps some answers, plenty of questions, and perhaps for some, a similarity to their own experiences. Special thanks to u/Neo-Rex as well as u/ebycon for their assistance in helping me find and rule out some areas of research.
Disclaimer: The following images and text are provided without photo manipulation on my end (besides simple cropping and scanning). There are going to be many references in this post to Italian media, magazines, as well as individual writers. This is by no means an endorsement, advertisement, or other form of ARG intended to sell, market, or persuade anyone to buy, rent, or procure any of the described materials. Because I know this is a new area of topic, and because the images provided are of an unusual nature, I will provide various sources to prove that these images are not enhanced, manipulated by hand or by a contemporary photo manipulation program or AI generation.
Before we get into the nitty gritty of the images I will provide background as to how I came upon these images, and the flow of information.
I was first made aware of these images after researching separate alien encounters for a post of mine (see that post here for further details regarding that) one of the sources used was "alieni in italia 1945-1995 50 anni di incontri ravvicinati". On page VIII towards the back of the book these images (or rather image as three were compressed into one section) as well as the following text appears
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"Vero alieno o scoop giornalistico? Ho evitato di inserire nel presente catalogo questo caso avvero singolare. Si tratte infatti di alcune foto )5_ scattate da un non meglio indentificato "professore universitario di pavia" nell'estate del 1986 e pubblicate da sette. il settimanale del Corriere della Sera. Si referiscono ad una presunta entita aliena che si sarebbe manifestata al professore in una situazione del tutto casuale. Non sono mancati pareri sfavorevoli expressi da parecchi ufologi. ( Foto tratte da: Sette n. 9/10 sette giorni illustrati dal Corriere della Sera, 5 marzo, 1988.
Translated: "Real alien or journalistic scoop? I have avoided including in the present catalog this singular case. These are in fact some photos(5) taken by an unidentified "university professor from Pavia" in the summer of 1986 and published by seven. The weekly newspaper Corriere della Sera. They refer to an alleged alien entity that allegedly manifested itself to the professor in a completely random situation. There was no shortage of unfavorable opinions expressed by several ufologists. ( Photo taken from: Seven No. 9/10 seven days illustrated by Corriere della Sera, March 5, 1988.
That was all the information provided within. (it should be noted that although this description mentions 5 photos, there are only these 3 provided within Moreno Tambellinis book.) These images captured my attention fairly quickly as I am fairly familiar with purported alien/supernatural photographs, so to find one I have never seen, and in such a quality which is general not present within other such photos as these, was more than enough to tip my curiosity in the direction of delving deeper.
First attempt at finding further information regarding these photos, and this particular magazine issue ended in little success, though I was able to find what I, at the time, believed to be a correctly colorized image of this entity. See below.
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Unassuming on some random blog that attributed a name to this entity while providing no further information regarding the image itself (as certain ufological circles are want to do). Not finding further information I attempted to find further information based off of this colorized image, but to no avail. Save for one source that used this image ( in a different colorized manner, slightly less yellow and oozing with potential, that being this image by Argentinian Ufologist Dante Franch. See below.
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Finally, someone who might have a lead on this information! But no, once again this image is deceptively alluring as the contents of this book have absolutely nothing to do with the Sette report, but simply use its image to describe unsourced and unverified tales of the City of Erks (a wild dive on its own and may be deserving of its own post) and other entities that supposedly have a resemblance to this cover image.
Upon further searches I came across this archived link with additional images some with closer to truth color, including the aforementioned first colorized image here https://web.archive.org/web/20080312200229/https://www.anomalia.org/perspectivas/fotosets/campo_cielo.htm as well as the additional references. The author of this blog post is Mexican Ufologist Luis Ruiz Noguez, notable for his skepticism and thorough investigation relating to this material, so it was a no-brainier to look into his research regarding this seeing as he had previously mentioned it here on his blogpost. So where better to look than his book "Extraterrestres ante las camaras" Volume X dealing specifically with italian encounters and purported alien photographs. But again, despite his previous notation in this blog, the contents of these images specifically are nowhere to be seen or mentioned within this book.
Research stagnated for some time during the search process for the original source cited in Moreno Tambellinis book. I was able after five months (you have no idea how hard it was to find a copy) able to acquire a copy of this magazine and finally was able to determine that the previously assumed white coverall of this entities outfit has been a false notion.
The following text is a translation of the pages within this issue of march 7th 1988 Sette: Corriere della Cera . 9/10, the original scans, as well as a translated text document of these pages can be found in the sources listed below. Important note: although these images are primary focus of this article, it does meander into thoughts on Whitley Striebers book "Communion" (which will be a source of contention that will be covered later in this post). But the translated post here is the relevant text to these images.
"Just as we were editing a report on the UFO phenomenon that was supposed to appear on 7 at the same time as the television passage of Spielberg's film Close Encounters of the third kind, we came across a resounding surprise: the images published in these pages and on the cover of this issue. They were taken completely by chance, one summer evening in 1986, by a professor at the University of Pavia, above all suspicion and known for his balance, his intelligence and rationality, completely alien to the somewhat emphatic and vaguely bizarre world of the so-called "contactees": those people who say they have entered into a relationship with unknown entities from the cosmos."
"He is a completely normal person who has always been skeptical of the reports of unidentified flying objects and is now also a testimony, erroneous to the idea that his name is related to the disturbing figure captured by his camera. The university lecturer has agreed to give us what he considers to be evidence of his shocking experience in exchange for absolute confidentiality"
"What to make of these images? We can make a few assumptions.
A) The author of the photos is a mystrifier. It is unlikely: too much resistance has opposed the publication of his document (which he has yielded for free to 7). In addition, he wishes to remain anonymous. A behavior that is certainly not that of those who want to speculate on a scooop, true or presumed.
B) The author is the victim of a game. Someone made him take "fireflies for lanterns". A well-thought-out game, by true professionals. It is not unlikely, even if the professor is not a "contactee", one obsessed with extraterrestrials, that is, a man who could arouse "temptations" among those who know him.
C) The photos really document something alien. A mysterious otherness has been captured by the professor's camera, who was the first to be surprised by this tangible presence, imprinted on the film that is absolutely different from a hallucination. What to say? What are we to think of images that forcefully re-propose the problem (or the dream, or the myth, or the nightmare) of the existence of other beings, of other civilizations that populate galaxies or dimensions unknown to us? Science continues to question these facts, but an answer is still a long way off. All experiences at the "edge of reality" are embarrassing. The line that divides science and mystery is still vague. Prudence, in these cases, is a must. And the desire not to appear is widespread among the witnesses. The professor from Pavia, who chose restriction, has an illustrious precedent."
"These images, taken on a summer evening in 1986 by a professor at the University of Pavia, who asked to remain anonymous, are the subject of various hypotheses of interpretation in the text of the article. The reader is free to draw his own conclusions."
Here are the direct scans of this entity as they appear in the magazine, scanned directly out of a physical copy of this magazine. (do note although these images are uploaded in different order I believe they may be sorted as such, I make no claim to the accuracy of this in terms of chronological order, but which is most aesthetically appeasing.)
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Now, while the article was very keen to post certain aspects of this, it was rather lacking, and it must be stated although the title of this issue, as well as the description in the article infer this is related to UFO's. There is no mention of an actual UFO or craft present within this encounter, or at the very least, this information was omitted from the article, and was potentially removed at the request of the professor in question, though that is speculation on my part.
The following sections will deal with the author of this previous issue, as well as the two follow-up articles and their individual authors.
There is more information present as the above text states, not from the previous issue, but from two separate follow-up articles that were saved and printed in the Italian Ufo magazine "UFO express no. 043." Link to the full untranslated issue here/UFO%20Express%20-%20No%20043.pdf). These separate addendums fully cover the images in question and are critical but not overly-so. The most important aspect to this is that the professor provided further information to Sette, primarily about what they were doing prior to this entities appearance, but also their means of photographic capture.
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UFO: Is this being from another world? read the scroll on the cover of 7 (No. 9/10) that we republish on this page. Hundreds of phone calls and letters arrived at the editorial office, and they continue to arrive after Mino Damato in his TV program Alla ricerca dell'arca (Sunday, March 27, Rai 3 8:30 p.m.) dealt with the same images, depicting a hypothetical alien photographed by a professor at the University of Pavia one summer evening in 1986.
There are those who believe in this hypothetical alien and those who do not, but all of the readers who have phoned or written are bound to each other by the rejection of that question mark printed on the cover: each of them is persuaded to erase the hypothesis, to tear away the veil of the enigma. And they split into two equally intolerant parties, leaving no room for doubt. We have chosen two exemplary letters. The first letter comes from Brixen and is signed by Mr. Nicola De Paola (2 Clesia Street). He says “the alien is a tobogganist: typical are the tight suit the aerodynamic helmet, the face crushed by the transparent visor, the blurred colors and contours of the photos are due to the fact that they were taken from television, with the obj vo blurred or too close up and strange an alien with limbs, head, face and body identical to those of man; I too will be able to take photographs quite similar to those published; as a reader I feel mocked.”
Others have certainly seen in the hypothetical alien: a surgeon, a nurse, an ice skater, an Icelandic firefighter, a Norwegian cryologist (sic), a KGB spy, a hockey player with his head bandaged; in short, some man in overalls or uniforms. No one has identified in the figures, despite the width of the pelvis, a woman or an androgynous. The second letter comes from Ferrara and is signed by Mr. Giovanni Mantovani (via Luigi Borsari 51). Says; When I saw the photographs I immediately thought: but look, it looks like the E.T. seen by R.M on September 2, 1987 while he was fishing on the bank of the Canal Bianco (RO). He felt an intense tingling, turned around and saw a strange individual: dark complexion, 2 meters tall, hair that looked like plastic, wearing a luminescent blue jumpsuit. The apparition lasted a few seconds.R.M. felt a chill, a feeling that was renewed at the sight of your photos... Only one remark can be made to the professor of Pavia: that of not having given the readers further clarifications about the close approach of the third type...
Here are the further clarifications that the professor from Pavia has allowed us to give, although he is consumed by the fear of being uncovered and covered with ridicule. The photos were taken by a Nikon camera, with motor-drive, 55 mm lens. Micro, 3.5 aperture, shutter speed: 1/4 second Polachrome film, 40 Asa sensitivity. Shortly after the sun went down, the professor was completing some experiments on the optical perception of dogs (how does a dog see things in the world? Black and white? With what depth, in what perspective?). That alone is almost ridiculous. We were missing the hypothetical alien. A dog joke? Maybe. But the professor never solved the riddle. And dogs don't talk. ~ Paolo Pietroni
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The hypothetical alien out of 7 has caused conflicting reactions. The photo was taken from a Nikon by a university lecturer while carrying out experiments on the visual perception of dogs
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Pietroni (information about this addendums author)
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Your E.T. seems to me to be a feminine being...
Dear editor, I am writing to you in relation to the series of 5 photographs taken by a better identified professor of Pavia one summer evening in 1986 and which appeared in the supplement of the Corriere della Sera n. 9/10 Since I am not familiar with photographic technique, I have written down the shooting parameters communicated by you personally during Mino D'Amato's television program In Search of the Ark on March 27.
Correct me if I'm wrong: Nikon camera body with motor, 5.5 mm focal length lens, aperture dia 3.5, exposure time 1/15 of a second. Certainly, with this adjustment, every little movement of the camera or of the photographed subject causes a blurred or rather blurred photograph. Probably, this whole story of the photos arose from the need of the Rizzoli Group to launch on the market the Italian version of the best American seller Communion by Ted Jacob, which deals, coincidentally, with the subject of extraterrestrials. This colossal business is also sponsored by the production of the film, which has been "posted" while waiting for the possible buyers of such a profitable product to be sufficiently sensitized...
Having said this, I wish, through his kindness, to convey to the professor of Pavia my modest comments on his photos. Feminism aside, I confess that the first spontaneous observation I made on these photographs was to recognize without a shadow of a doubt a woman, or rather a female being; The conformation of the hips, the breasts, combined with the grace of the bowed pose with folded arms, unequivocally belonged to a woman. But let's get to the details.
The suit - It appears so tight that it shows every little part of the body so as to give the impression of a "second skin"; It has light blue-green bands (as shown in the photo on the right on page 74) that are more evident around the neck, on the shoulders and on the arms.
The hands - They appear covered by the sleeves and more elongated than ours (cover figure), dare I say w(bed.
The head - Although it is more mobile, it clearly shows these elements: oval face with a slightly flattened nose, microphone with a light-colored support arm placed at the height of the left ear (photo on the right, page 74)
The headset - It is completely different from any type currently built because it contains a transceiver module at the top for contact with some support organ (e.g. an operations center, or a cosmoplane, or another operator), similar to what happens in Italy when astronauts go out of their vehicle and maintain constant radio contact with the control center.
The transceiver part can be seen both in the cover photo and on page 74, left and right, and is indicated by the protuberance on the top of the skull.
This study was born well out of any venal or other interest, in fact I am not a ufologist, but a pilot in full flight activity and with command responsibilities; I have been a first-hand witness to the phenomenon commonly associated with the improper name of UFO
Sure of the need to deal with the subject with more compatible methodologies than those promulgated by scientists and ufologists, I dedicate myself to the enhancement of aeronautical contactism, intending with this new term to redefine the sightings of military and civil pilots, aeronautical technicians, engineers, etc. who through direct experience with the phenomenon have acquired the conviction that we are not alone Only those who have had a direct impact with the phenomenon (the contactee) can provide a plausible image of themselves... everything else... They are only lucubrations born from mindsets that are not up-to-date with the present sotric moment on the one hand, and with the characteristics of the phenomenon on the other.
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I forwarded his observations to the professor in Pavia, author of the photos depicting the hypothetical alien. Thank you for your interesting analysis. You are free to believe it or not, but the Rizzoli Communion book had an absolutely random presence in our service: we liked the design of the cover; the portrait of that E.T. and we thought of enriching the illustrations of the service.
Roberto Doz (a fairly interesting individual on his own, air force colonel with his own UFO sighting) read more on that here
As for the author of the original article. Their name is Nullo Cantaroni, and may be more well known by his wife Bice Cairati( Sveva Casati Modigiani), Nullo Cantaroni had a fairly successful journalistic career, dealing primarily in medicine as co-authorized by fellow science journalist Severina Cantaroni. He eventually succumbed to Parkinson's disease. I make mention of these authors, Roberto Doz (who has a very good reason to be interested in the topic as he had his own experience). As well as the other two as these are not the ramblings of some crazy pumping out their own versions of weekly world news, but were and still are highly credible and respected peoples, whom by their own association are taking the flak for posting this material to begin with.
From here on out, this is going to be a further dive into the already presented material, some comparisons with other cases which have direct correlation with these images, as well as other information during my research that has not been touched on up until this point.
In the first follow-up article there is mention of a show "Alla Ricera dell'arca (In search of the ARK)". With he show discussing the images posted here. I was able to confirm that this episode does exist, with the covered material, and is within the RAI archives (Italian TV network/station). However, they would not lend the episode out to a non-Italian citizen, or someone associated with a University, or media conglomeration. I mention this as there may be more material covered in this episode that was not provided in the main article and its follow-ups. If there are any Italian citizens, or peoples reading this who have the appropriate accreditation to acquire a copy of this episode I would ask for your cooperation in attempting to do so. If someone has a copy of this simply recorded off of an old VHS I implore you to make that available to all.
Going back to the main article, the meandering to Communion is certainly off-putting, though I disagree with the previous mention that this was a hoax on the part of the publication to push Communion. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence after all (even though Carl Sagan never bothered with the evidence, side tangent: listen to J Allen Hynek talk about that here) But I believe these images were published in good faith on part of Nullo Cantaroni, his background and thorough career would make this unlikely.
So as it figures there are three scenarios here that describe this scenario (in no particular order of likelihood)
1) these images are hoaxed by the publication to push communion
2) these images are hoaxed by the supposed professor
3) these images are legitimate and provide evidence of a non-earth based entity.
Before I move on I'd like to mention that I did attempt to reach out to Corriere della Sera multiple times regarding this material but was never given a response.
To round this off the images themselves. Humanoid obviously, female-appearing, now I say appearing because assuming this really is some unexpected entity, there is no guarantee that the physiology of this figure accurately represents its determination, and although this entity appears to have what we'd consider to be skin, that may only be a covering to another form or may be some type of robotic synthetic life-form designed specifically to mimic human appearances. What may be most interesting or most alarming depending on your perspective is this entities face appears to change between shots, and yet seemingly keeps the same body proportions. If you are of the opinion this is some type of hoax you could state this is an obvious inconsistency between shots. On the other hand, that is an obvious conclusion to make and showing differentiating faces would be a rather odd choice on the part of a hoaxer. This again could be part of the photographing process, as there is motion blur between some of these photos and it simply gives an appearance that things are changing.
There are other features which must be touched upon, namely the clothing, but in one such photo, what appears to be some type of headgear wrapped around this entities face. To anyone with a passing knowledge of ufology and its associated lore would know, the favorite of any interstellar interloper is the tight formfitting bodysuit. Primarily described as blue, although other colors are often reported. But unlike most humanoid encounters described in the west, this entity seems to have a darker complexion about them. Now does that mean this does not fit in with established prior encounters? Not at all, for whatever reason the blonde-hair nordic is the most popular discussion topic when it comes to human-adjacent lifeforms, but in other places, and Italy especially, some of their most well know or most covered, feature entities with darker complexions. Case in point
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This encounter in 1978 Italy with a dark-skinned entity in a shimmering scaled suit. Or this description of a dark skinned entity with a similar described blue suit reported in 1987
Location. Villamarzana, Rome, Italy Date: September 2 1987 Time: 1700
Renzo Munari was fishing on the Bianco Canal when he noticed a strange object flying at a moderated speed over the river, as the object disappeared from sight he felt a strange prickling sensation in his body, resembling electrical static. Turning around he saw a very tall human-like figure staring intently at him. The figure was at least 2 meters in height, with orange hair and dark skin. He wore a luminous blue colored tight fitting coverall. On the left side of his chest there was a square orange colored “tag.” During the encounter the witness felt a cool wave of air and light headed. The figure apparently disappeared into the brush.
Source: Archivio SUF, USOCAT by The Italian Center forUFO Studies (CISU)
There is also this report from 1989 Russia
Location. Salsk, Rostov region, Russia Date: August 13 1989 Time: 2300
Working at a cotton irrigation plant Vasiliy Ivanovich suddenly experienced total equipment failure without any apparent cause. While searching for the cause of the breakdown, the witness heard a loud voice, “He is searching for the cause”. Looking around he saw four humanoids standing close to him. One stood in the front, while the other three stood in the back. He described the humanoids as tall, with long dangling arms, with a large head, flattened on the top and wide at the temples. The humanoids are dark red or brown in color with large egg-shaped eyes and two holes instead of a nose. They have no lips, and thin strip instead of a mouth. They were wearing truncated shiny blue coveralls and footwear. The humanoid standing at the front of the others held a box in his hand and a soft pleasant voice seemed to emanate from the box. He held the box at stomach level. Ivanovich approached the humanoids and asked who they were; the reply was a question asking him if he wanted to go with them. At this point the witness saw a light at the edge of the nearby woods and a hovering object. The humanoids then floated slowly towards the craft and disappeared. Terrified the witness ran to the village to notify other witnesses but upon returning to the site the humanoids had already left.
Source:UFOZONE Russia
As for the headgear, there is a report from 1995 Italy of an entity not resembling this one in this post, but wearing a similarly described headpiece.
Location: Ancona, Italy Date: February 3 1994, Time: 9:00am
Six witnesses, including a Mr. Giulo observed a strange humanoid wandering around some nearby rocks. The humanoid was described as about 1 meter and a half in height, wearing a tight fitting black coverall that covered his whole body including a pair of very long feet. The face was elongated with two huge round eyes, with round black pupils. It appeared to be wearing earphones with a small thin protruding antenna. It seemed to stagger slowly and after about 10 minutes it rose up slowly and vertically into the air, quickly disappearing from sight
Source: CISU Italy.
There is also this case from Barisciano Italy 1978 in which an entity bearing a striking similar blue color to the outfit was seen, with an adorning white "cap" or hairpiece that resembled that of a cap. read the untranslated version of that encounter here/Notiziario%20UFO%20-%201984%2001-02%20-%20Vol%2018%20No%20102.pdf)
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Finally, lets get back to the person allegedly behind this whole spiel, the Professor. A claim such as this, where an entity appears in ones presence without any known means is a stark claim all on its own, to provide photos of such an encounter is another thing all together, but being as its an anonymous person, how can we gleam any credibility out of this? To put it in other words, is there enough information provided within the original article as well as the follow-up articles to speculate on a potential identity to who this man could have been?
Emphatically yes, infact there is only one such individual who fits the criteria with the information provided, granted this information was given after the fact of the original articles publication. In the first article within UFO express that discusses this, we are told this person is running experiments relating to dogs (canine) eyesight, but the author was unsure whether or not this is a jest of some sort. I do not believe it is, in the secondary article it is again mentioned that this professor is working with canine eyesight, but in a caption on the second page it is emphasized this was "non-academic research". Now does that mean it was unrelated to their professional focus? No, it simply means this research was carried outside of official means. This leads me to who I believe the primary suspect is in terms of a potential identity, could there be other more accurate people? Perhaps. But this persons tenure and level of research within this subject and the timeframe of when they were working at the University of Pavia lines up perfectly with who this person could be. However, because of doxxing concerns, and that they initially requested complete anonymity from the publication I will not be directly naming their identity here. But I will heavily state that this person worked in the university of Pavia from 1985 in the zoology department and specifically with foxes and wolves. With this person having worked and published (into the present) works related to both of these fields. I have attempted to personally reach out to this professor both via email & telephone (their academic numbers, not personal) but have
received no response. I would ask that if you do look into who this person is that you do not attempt to directly contact them as their lack of a response is response enough.
What was the encounter like? How long did it go on for? Was there a conversation or was this a quick in and out? These questions and more are not answered here, and perhaps never will be unless someone; the professor, an associate, or anyone else, comes forward with more details we are left wondering and wanting more. There is of course much to be said about these images and the potential for further investigations, including the peculiar hands this entity seems to posses that does have a passing resemblance to other cases, but lest this drag on to long I will leave it here and attempt to answer any questions that I may be capable of giving insight on.
Sources and resources used Archive link for translations and scans of original Corriere della Sera article https://archive.org/details/Paviaentity
Magazine and other ufological material sources: https://files.afu.se/Downloads/?dir=./
Document scanner for afu and other documents/sites https://updb.app/
alieni in italia by Moreno Tambelini
ImgOps for reverse image searching
https://ufologie.patrickgross.org/sys/text.htm & Albert Rosales for their compilations of humanoid encounters.
If you have had an encounter or know someone who has had an encounter similar to this or identical to this, do not hesitate to DM or message me with the details.
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2024.05.13 14:14 Ufonauter In 1986 an Italian professor working for the University of Pavia in Italy would have a face to face encounter with an unknown entity. But unlike so many other encounters, this professor was able to take 5 photos.

In 1986 an Italian professor working for the University of Pavia in Italy would have a face to face encounter with an unknown entity. But unlike so many other encounters, this professor was able to take 5 photos.
To begin with, I will state that this post was months in the making (mostly waiting and chasing false leads) and carries with it perhaps some answers, plenty of questions, and perhaps for some, a similarity to their own experiences. Special thanks to u/Neo-Rex as well as u/ebycon for their assistance in helping me find and rule out some areas of research.
Disclaimer: The following images and text are provided without photo manipulation on my end (besides simple cropping and scanning). There are going to be many references in this post to Italian media, magazines, as well as individual writers. This is by no means an endorsement, advertisement, or other form of ARG intended to sell, market, or persuade anyone to buy, rent, or procure any of the described materials. Because I know this is a new area of topic, and because the images provided are of an unusual nature, I will provide various sources to prove that these images are not enhanced, manipulated by hand or by a contemporary photo manipulation program or AI generation.
Before we get into the nitty gritty of the images I will provide background as to how I came upon these images, and the flow of information.
I was first made aware of these images after researching separate alien encounters for a post of mine (see that post here for further details regarding that) one of the sources used was "alieni in italia 1945-1995 50 anni di incontri ravvicinati". On page VIII towards the back of the book these images (or rather image as three were compressed into one section) as well as the following text appears
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"Vero alieno o scoop giornalistico? Ho evitato di inserire nel presente catalogo questo caso avvero singolare. Si tratte infatti di alcune foto )5_ scattate da un non meglio indentificato "professore universitario di pavia" nell'estate del 1986 e pubblicate da sette. il settimanale del Corriere della Sera. Si referiscono ad una presunta entita aliena che si sarebbe manifestata al professore in una situazione del tutto casuale. Non sono mancati pareri sfavorevoli expressi da parecchi ufologi. ( Foto tratte da: Sette n. 9/10 sette giorni illustrati dal Corriere della Sera, 5 marzo, 1988.
Translated: "Real alien or journalistic scoop? I have avoided including in the present catalog this singular case. These are in fact some photos(5) taken by an unidentified "university professor from Pavia" in the summer of 1986 and published by seven. The weekly newspaper Corriere della Sera. They refer to an alleged alien entity that allegedly manifested itself to the professor in a completely random situation. There was no shortage of unfavorable opinions expressed by several ufologists. ( Photo taken from: Seven No. 9/10 seven days illustrated by Corriere della Sera, March 5, 1988.
That was all the information provided within. (it should be noted that although this description mentions 5 photos, there are only these 3 provided within Moreno Tambellinis book.) These images captured my attention fairly quickly as I am fairly familiar with purported alien/supernatural photographs, so to find one I have never seen, and in such a quality which is general not present within other such photos as these, was more than enough to tip my curiosity in the direction of delving deeper.
First attempt at finding further information regarding these photos, and this particular magazine issue ended in little success, though I was able to find what I, at the time, believed to be a correctly colorized image of this entity. See below.
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Unassuming on some random blog that attributed a name to this entity while providing no further information regarding the image itself (as certain ufological circles are want to do). Not finding further information I attempted to find further information based off of this colorized image, but to no avail. Save for one source that used this image ( in a different colorized manner, slightly less yellow and oozing with potential, that being this image by Argentinian Ufologist Dante Franch. See below.
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Finally, someone who might have a lead on this information! But no, once again this image is deceptively alluring as the contents of this book have absolutely nothing to do with the Sette report, but simply use its image to describe unsourced and unverified tales of the City of Erks (a wild dive on its own and may be deserving of its own post) and other entities that supposedly have a resemblance to this cover image.
Upon further searches I came across this archived link with additional images some with closer to truth color, including the aforementioned first colorized image here https://web.archive.org/web/20080312200229/https://www.anomalia.org/perspectivas/fotosets/campo_cielo.htm as well as the additional references. The author of this blog post is Mexican Ufologist Luis Ruiz Noguez, notable for his skepticism and thorough investigation relating to this material, so it was a no-brainier to look into his research regarding this seeing as he had previously mentioned it here on his blogpost. So where better to look than his book "Extraterrestres ante las camaras" Volume X dealing specifically with italian encounters and purported alien photographs. But again, despite his previous notation in this blog, the contents of these images specifically are nowhere to be seen or mentioned within this book.
Research stagnated for some time during the search process for the original source cited in Moreno Tambellinis book. I was able after five months (you have no idea how hard it was to find a copy) able to acquire a copy of this magazine and finally was able to determine that the previously assumed white coverall of this entities outfit has been a false notion.
The following text is a translation of the pages within this issue of march 7th 1988 Sette: Corriere della Cera . 9/10, the original scans, as well as a translated text document of these pages can be found in the sources listed below. Important note: although these images are primary focus of this article, it does meander into thoughts on Whitley Striebers book "Communion" (which will be a source of contention that will be covered later in this post). But the translated post here is the relevant text to these images.
"Just as we were editing a report on the UFO phenomenon that was supposed to appear on 7 at the same time as the television passage of Spielberg's film Close Encounters of the third kind, we came across a resounding surprise: the images published in these pages and on the cover of this issue. They were taken completely by chance, one summer evening in 1986, by a professor at the University of Pavia, above all suspicion and known for his balance, his intelligence and rationality, completely alien to the somewhat emphatic and vaguely bizarre world of the so-called "contactees": those people who say they have entered into a relationship with unknown entities from the cosmos."
"He is a completely normal person who has always been skeptical of the reports of unidentified flying objects and is now also a testimony, erroneous to the idea that his name is related to the disturbing figure captured by his camera. The university lecturer has agreed to give us what he considers to be evidence of his shocking experience in exchange for absolute confidentiality"
"What to make of these images? We can make a few assumptions.
A) The author of the photos is a mystrifier. It is unlikely: too much resistance has opposed the publication of his document (which he has yielded for free to 7). In addition, he wishes to remain anonymous. A behavior that is certainly not that of those who want to speculate on a scooop, true or presumed.
B) The author is the victim of a game. Someone made him take "fireflies for lanterns". A well-thought-out game, by true professionals. It is not unlikely, even if the professor is not a "contactee", one obsessed with extraterrestrials, that is, a man who could arouse "temptations" among those who know him.
C) The photos really document something alien. A mysterious otherness has been captured by the professor's camera, who was the first to be surprised by this tangible presence, imprinted on the film that is absolutely different from a hallucination. What to say? What are we to think of images that forcefully re-propose the problem (or the dream, or the myth, or the nightmare) of the existence of other beings, of other civilizations that populate galaxies or dimensions unknown to us? Science continues to question these facts, but an answer is still a long way off. All experiences at the "edge of reality" are embarrassing. The line that divides science and mystery is still vague. Prudence, in these cases, is a must. And the desire not to appear is widespread among the witnesses. The professor from Pavia, who chose restriction, has an illustrious precedent."
"These images, taken on a summer evening in 1986 by a professor at the University of Pavia, who asked to remain anonymous, are the subject of various hypotheses of interpretation in the text of the article. The reader is free to draw his own conclusions."
Here are the direct scans of this entity as they appear in the magazine, scanned directly out of a physical copy of this magazine. (do note although these images are uploaded in different order I believe they may be sorted as such, I make no claim to the accuracy of this in terms of chronological order, but which is most aesthetically appeasing.)
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Now, while the article was very keen to post certain aspects of this, it was rather lacking, and it must be stated although the title of this issue, as well as the description in the article infer this is related to UFO's. There is no mention of an actual UFO or craft present within this encounter, or at the very least, this information was omitted from the article, and was potentially removed at the request of the professor in question, though that is speculation on my part.
The following sections will deal with the author of this previous issue, as well as the two follow-up articles and their individual authors.
There is more information present as the above text states, not from the previous issue, but from two separate follow-up articles that were saved and printed in the Italian Ufo magazine "UFO express no. 043." Link to the full untranslated issue here/UFO%20Express%20-%20No%20043.pdf). These separate addendums fully cover the images in question and are critical but not overly-so. The most important aspect to this is that the professor provided further information to Sette, primarily about what they were doing prior to this entities appearance, but also their means of photographic capture.
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UFO: Is this being from another world? read the scroll on the cover of 7 (No. 9/10) that we republish on this page. Hundreds of phone calls and letters arrived at the editorial office, and they continue to arrive after Mino Damato in his TV program Alla ricerca dell'arca (Sunday, March 27, Rai 3 8:30 p.m.) dealt with the same images, depicting a hypothetical alien photographed by a professor at the University of Pavia one summer evening in 1986.
There are those who believe in this hypothetical alien and those who do not, but all of the readers who have phoned or written are bound to each other by the rejection of that question mark printed on the cover: each of them is persuaded to erase the hypothesis, to tear away the veil of the enigma. And they split into two equally intolerant parties, leaving no room for doubt. We have chosen two exemplary letters. The first letter comes from Brixen and is signed by Mr. Nicola De Paola (2 Clesia Street). He says “the alien is a tobogganist: typical are the tight suit the aerodynamic helmet, the face crushed by the transparent visor, the blurred colors and contours of the photos are due to the fact that they were taken from television, with the obj vo blurred or too close up and strange an alien with limbs, head, face and body identical to those of man; I too will be able to take photographs quite similar to those published; as a reader I feel mocked.”
Others have certainly seen in the hypothetical alien: a surgeon, a nurse, an ice skater, an Icelandic firefighter, a Norwegian cryologist (sic), a KGB spy, a hockey player with his head bandaged; in short, some man in overalls or uniforms. No one has identified in the figures, despite the width of the pelvis, a woman or an androgynous. The second letter comes from Ferrara and is signed by Mr. Giovanni Mantovani (via Luigi Borsari 51). Says; When I saw the photographs I immediately thought: but look, it looks like the E.T. seen by R.M on September 2, 1987 while he was fishing on the bank of the Canal Bianco (RO). He felt an intense tingling, turned around and saw a strange individual: dark complexion, 2 meters tall, hair that looked like plastic, wearing a luminescent blue jumpsuit. The apparition lasted a few seconds.R.M. felt a chill, a feeling that was renewed at the sight of your photos... Only one remark can be made to the professor of Pavia: that of not having given the readers further clarifications about the close approach of the third type...
Here are the further clarifications that the professor from Pavia has allowed us to give, although he is consumed by the fear of being uncovered and covered with ridicule. The photos were taken by a Nikon camera, with motor-drive, 55 mm lens. Micro, 3.5 aperture, shutter speed: 1/4 second Polachrome film, 40 Asa sensitivity. Shortly after the sun went down, the professor was completing some experiments on the optical perception of dogs (how does a dog see things in the world? Black and white? With what depth, in what perspective?). That alone is almost ridiculous. We were missing the hypothetical alien. A dog joke? Maybe. But the professor never solved the riddle. And dogs don't talk. ~ Paolo Pietroni
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The hypothetical alien out of 7 has caused conflicting reactions. The photo was taken from a Nikon by a university lecturer while carrying out experiments on the visual perception of dogs
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Pietroni (information about this addendums author)
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Your E.T. seems to me to be a feminine being...
Dear editor, I am writing to you in relation to the series of 5 photographs taken by a better identified professor of Pavia one summer evening in 1986 and which appeared in the supplement of the Corriere della Sera n. 9/10 Since I am not familiar with photographic technique, I have written down the shooting parameters communicated by you personally during Mino D'Amato's television program In Search of the Ark on March 27.
Correct me if I'm wrong: Nikon camera body with motor, 5.5 mm focal length lens, aperture dia 3.5, exposure time 1/15 of a second. Certainly, with this adjustment, every little movement of the camera or of the photographed subject causes a blurred or rather blurred photograph. Probably, this whole story of the photos arose from the need of the Rizzoli Group to launch on the market the Italian version of the best American seller Communion by Ted Jacob, which deals, coincidentally, with the subject of extraterrestrials. This colossal business is also sponsored by the production of the film, which has been "posted" while waiting for the possible buyers of such a profitable product to be sufficiently sensitized...
Having said this, I wish, through his kindness, to convey to the professor of Pavia my modest comments on his photos. Feminism aside, I confess that the first spontaneous observation I made on these photographs was to recognize without a shadow of a doubt a woman, or rather a female being; The conformation of the hips, the breasts, combined with the grace of the bowed pose with folded arms, unequivocally belonged to a woman. But let's get to the details.
The suit - It appears so tight that it shows every little part of the body so as to give the impression of a "second skin"; It has light blue-green bands (as shown in the photo on the right on page 74) that are more evident around the neck, on the shoulders and on the arms.
The hands - They appear covered by the sleeves and more elongated than ours (cover figure), dare I say w(bed.
The head - Although it is more mobile, it clearly shows these elements: oval face with a slightly flattened nose, microphone with a light-colored support arm placed at the height of the left ear (photo on the right, page 74)
The headset - It is completely different from any type currently built because it contains a transceiver module at the top for contact with some support organ (e.g. an operations center, or a cosmoplane, or another operator), similar to what happens in Italy when astronauts go out of their vehicle and maintain constant radio contact with the control center.
The transceiver part can be seen both in the cover photo and on page 74, left and right, and is indicated by the protuberance on the top of the skull.
This study was born well out of any venal or other interest, in fact I am not a ufologist, but a pilot in full flight activity and with command responsibilities; I have been a first-hand witness to the phenomenon commonly associated with the improper name of UFO
Sure of the need to deal with the subject with more compatible methodologies than those promulgated by scientists and ufologists, I dedicate myself to the enhancement of aeronautical contactism, intending with this new term to redefine the sightings of military and civil pilots, aeronautical technicians, engineers, etc. who through direct experience with the phenomenon have acquired the conviction that we are not alone Only those who have had a direct impact with the phenomenon (the contactee) can provide a plausible image of themselves... everything else... They are only lucubrations born from mindsets that are not up-to-date with the present sotric moment on the one hand, and with the characteristics of the phenomenon on the other.
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I forwarded his observations to the professor in Pavia, author of the photos depicting the hypothetical alien. Thank you for your interesting analysis. You are free to believe it or not, but the Rizzoli Communion book had an absolutely random presence in our service: we liked the design of the cover; the portrait of that E.T. and we thought of enriching the illustrations of the service.
Roberto Doz (a fairly interesting individual on his own, air force colonel with his own UFO sighting) read more on that here
As for the author of the original article. Their name is Nullo Cantaroni, and may be more well known by his wife Bice Cairati( Sveva Casati Modigiani), Nullo Cantaroni had a fairly successful journalistic career, dealing primarily in medicine as co-authorized by fellow science journalist Severina Cantaroni. He eventually succumbed to Parkinson's disease. I make mention of these authors, Roberto Doz (who has a very good reason to be interested in the topic as he had his own experience). As well as the other two as these are not the ramblings of some crazy pumping out their own versions of weekly world news, but were and still are highly credible and respected peoples, whom by their own association are taking the flak for posting this material to begin with.
From here on out, this is going to be a further dive into the already presented material, some comparisons with other cases which have direct correlation with these images, as well as other information during my research that has not been touched on up until this point.
In the first follow-up article there is mention of a show "Alla Ricera dell'arca (In search of the ARK)". With he show discussing the images posted here. I was able to confirm that this episode does exist, with the covered material, and is within the RAI archives (Italian TV network/station). However, they would not lend the episode out to a non-Italian citizen, or someone associated with a University, or media conglomeration. I mention this as there may be more material covered in this episode that was not provided in the main article and its follow-ups. If there are any Italian citizens, or peoples reading this who have the appropriate accreditation to acquire a copy of this episode I would ask for your cooperation in attempting to do so. If someone has a copy of this simply recorded off of an old VHS I implore you to make that available to all.
Going back to the main article, the meandering to Communion is certainly off-putting, though I disagree with the previous mention that this was a hoax on the part of the publication to push Communion. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence after all (even though Carl Sagan never bothered with the evidence, side tangent: listen to J Allen Hynek talk about that here) But I believe these images were published in good faith on part of Nullo Cantaroni, his background and thorough career would make this unlikely.
So as it figures there are three scenarios here that describe this scenario (in no particular order of likelihood)
1) these images are hoaxed by the publication to push communion
2) these images are hoaxed by the supposed professor
3) these images are legitimate and provide evidence of a non-earth based entity.
Before I move on I'd like to mention that I did attempt to reach out to Corriere della Sera multiple times regarding this material but was never given a response.
To round this off the images themselves. Humanoid obviously, female-appearing, now I say appearing because assuming this really is some unexpected entity, there is no guarantee that the physiology of this figure accurately represents its determination, and although this entity appears to have what we'd consider to be skin, that may only be a covering to another form or may be some type of robotic synthetic life-form designed specifically to mimic human appearances. What may be most interesting or most alarming depending on your perspective is this entities face appears to change between shots, and yet seemingly keeps the same body proportions. If you are of the opinion this is some type of hoax you could state this is an obvious inconsistency between shots. On the other hand, that is an obvious conclusion to make and showing differentiating faces would be a rather odd choice on the part of a hoaxer. This again could be part of the photographing process, as there is motion blur between some of these photos and it simply gives an appearance that things are changing.
There are other features which must be touched upon, namely the clothing, but in one such photo, what appears to be some type of headgear wrapped around this entities face. To anyone with a passing knowledge of ufology and its associated lore would know, the favorite of any interstellar interloper is the tight formfitting bodysuit. Primarily described as blue, although other colors are often reported. But unlike most humanoid encounters described in the west, this entity seems to have a darker complexion about them. Now does that mean this does not fit in with established prior encounters? Not at all, for whatever reason the blonde-hair nordic is the most popular discussion topic when it comes to human-adjacent lifeforms, but in other places, and Italy especially, some of their most well know or most covered, feature entities with darker complexions. Case in point
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This encounter in 1978 Italy with a dark-skinned entity in a shimmering scaled suit. Or this description of a dark skinned entity with a similar described blue suit reported in 1987
Location. Villamarzana, Rome, Italy Date: September 2 1987 Time: 1700
Renzo Munari was fishing on the Bianco Canal when he noticed a strange object flying at a moderated speed over the river, as the object disappeared from sight he felt a strange prickling sensation in his body, resembling electrical static. Turning around he saw a very tall human-like figure staring intently at him. The figure was at least 2 meters in height, with orange hair and dark skin. He wore a luminous blue colored tight fitting coverall. On the left side of his chest there was a square orange colored “tag.” During the encounter the witness felt a cool wave of air and light headed. The figure apparently disappeared into the brush.
Source: Archivio SUF, USOCAT by The Italian Center forUFO Studies (CISU)
There is also this report from 1989 Russia
Location. Salsk, Rostov region, Russia Date: August 13 1989 Time: 2300
Working at a cotton irrigation plant Vasiliy Ivanovich suddenly experienced total equipment failure without any apparent cause. While searching for the cause of the breakdown, the witness heard a loud voice, “He is searching for the cause”. Looking around he saw four humanoids standing close to him. One stood in the front, while the other three stood in the back. He described the humanoids as tall, with long dangling arms, with a large head, flattened on the top and wide at the temples. The humanoids are dark red or brown in color with large egg-shaped eyes and two holes instead of a nose. They have no lips, and thin strip instead of a mouth. They were wearing truncated shiny blue coveralls and footwear. The humanoid standing at the front of the others held a box in his hand and a soft pleasant voice seemed to emanate from the box. He held the box at stomach level. Ivanovich approached the humanoids and asked who they were; the reply was a question asking him if he wanted to go with them. At this point the witness saw a light at the edge of the nearby woods and a hovering object. The humanoids then floated slowly towards the craft and disappeared. Terrified the witness ran to the village to notify other witnesses but upon returning to the site the humanoids had already left.
Source:UFOZONE Russia
As for the headgear, there is a report from 1995 Italy of an entity not resembling this one in this post, but wearing a similarly described headpiece.
Location: Ancona, Italy Date: February 3 1994, Time: 9:00am
Six witnesses, including a Mr. Giulo observed a strange humanoid wandering around some nearby rocks. The humanoid was described as about 1 meter and a half in height, wearing a tight fitting black coverall that covered his whole body including a pair of very long feet. The face was elongated with two huge round eyes, with round black pupils. It appeared to be wearing earphones with a small thin protruding antenna. It seemed to stagger slowly and after about 10 minutes it rose up slowly and vertically into the air, quickly disappearing from sight
Source: CISU Italy.
There is also this case from Barisciano Italy 1978 in which an entity bearing a striking similar blue color to the outfit was seen, with an adorning white "cap" or hairpiece that resembled that of a cap. read the untranslated version of that encounter here/Notiziario%20UFO%20-%201984%2001-02%20-%20Vol%2018%20No%20102.pdf)
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Finally, lets get back to the person allegedly behind this whole spiel, the Professor. A claim such as this, where an entity appears in ones presence without any known means is a stark claim all on its own, to provide photos of such an encounter is another thing all together, but being as its an anonymous person, how can we gleam any credibility out of this? To put it in other words, is there enough information provided within the original article as well as the follow-up articles to speculate on a potential identity to who this man could have been?
Emphatically yes, infact there is only one such individual who fits the criteria with the information provided, granted this information was given after the fact of the original articles publication. In the first article within UFO express that discusses this, we are told this person is running experiments relating to dogs (canine) eyesight, but the author was unsure whether or not this is a jest of some sort. I do not believe it is, in the secondary article it is again mentioned that this professor is working with canine eyesight, but in a caption on the second page it is emphasized this was "non-academic research". Now does that mean it was unrelated to their professional focus? No, it simply means this research was carried outside of official means. This leads me to who I believe the primary suspect is in terms of a potential identity, could there be other more accurate people? Perhaps. But this persons tenure and level of research within this subject and the timeframe of when they were working at the University of Pavia lines up perfectly with who this person could be. However, because of doxxing concerns, and that they initially requested complete anonymity from the publication I will not be directly naming their identity here. But I will heavily state that this person worked in the university of Pavia from 1985 in the zoology department and specifically with foxes and wolves. With this person having worked and published (into the present) works related to both of these fields. I have attempted to personally reach out to this professor both via email & telephone (their academic numbers, not personal) but have received no response. I would ask that if you do look into who this person is that you do not attempt to directly contact them as their lack of a response is response enough.
What was the encounter like? How long did it go on for? Was there a conversation or was this a quick in and out? These questions and more are not answered here, and perhaps never will be unless someone; the professor, an associate, or anyone else, comes forward with more details we are left wondering and wanting more.
Sources and resources used Archive link for translations and scans of original Corriere della Sera article https://archive.org/details/Paviaentity
Magazine and other ufological material sources: https://files.afu.se/Downloads/?dir=./
Document scanner for afu and other documents/sites https://updb.app/
alieni in italia by Moreno Tambelini
ImgOps for reverse image searching
https://ufologie.patrickgross.org/sys/text.htm & Albert Rosales for their compilations of humanoid encounters.
If you have had an encounter or know someone who has had an encounter similar to this or identical to this, do not hesitate to DM or message me with the details.
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2024.05.02 15:44 Specialist_Bake6514 Vapiano P2: Italian Food Made in Germany

Vapiano P2: Italian Food Made in Germany
Readers, welcome back. In Part 1 of this series, we trace Mark Korzilius' entrepreneurial journey from his initial setbacks in life to the founding of Vapiano, a novel concept in the restaurant industry. We explore the intricacies of Vapiano's innovative approach, from its fresh ingredients and dynamic atmosphere to its data-driven operational model, shedding light on the elements that propelled its rapid success and transformed dining experiences. Before venturing into cities like Dusseldorf, Munich, and Frankfurt, Mark and his team perfect restaurant operations in Hamburg emphasizing their priority of quality growth over top-line growth at all costs. Despite rapid expansion in the early years, Vapiano maintains profitability, even catching the eye of industry giants like McDonald's. Yet, the further the expansion goes the more it brings operational challenges and increased costs, leading to significant investments and the accumulation of debt. In this post, we will continue on this thread but for better context and for those who haven’t done so already, I would encourage you to read Part 1 first. Vapiano P1: Italian Food Made in Germany (substack.com) Let's dig in.

More Growth

We are now five years into the Vapiano venture, and the customer profile is starting to shift away from the original plan. In the 2007 annual report is says: “The Vapiano concept was developed with the aim of giving professionals, working people a good opportunity to spend their lunch break. In the meantime, the customer base has expanded significantly to include families and tourists. The changes in the customer base have led to the occupancy of individual restaurants being spread throughout the day.” The management team is much focused on improving the experience and keeping things fresh, so that only five years after unveiling its first shop design, star designer Matteo Thun is still very much involved in the design process. Even as the broader Germany economy in 2008 slows to just 1% growth, the group keeps growing aggressively, although the pace of expansion in self-own and operated sites decelerates. Three new self-owned restaurants are opened, including a third one in Berlin. But more importantly the company uses the year to look inwards, optimizing own restaurants and expanding further the pool of franchisees. Five more franchise licenses are added in Germany and for the first time the UK is entered.
Testimony to the attractiveness of the concept is the fact that same-store-sales (a metric to measure revenue of a particular restaurant this year in comparison to the same restaurant’s revenue last year) across the board grows by 11%. The concept has broad appeal, there is strong organic growth and management is on top of its game here. When operating as a multi-site quick service restaurant chain like Vapiano, logistics and supply chains becomes key. You want to get your central functions so well-oiled, that opening new sites becomes cooky cutter, particularly when you want to attract new franchisees. Indeed, the concept and brand appeal are important factors to attract top quality franchisees but backend, support functions are equally important for the homogeneity of the products, the consistency of the brand and the customer experience. The group starts further deepening its relations to companies in the areas of goods trading, logistics and services which ensures that high quality products are procured, and supply chains are robust. Another focus for the group is to build supply contracts directly with manufacturers rather than going through middlemen, which leads to significant cost savings. And because of the aggressive role out of new restaurants it makes sense to enter a long-term system partnership for kitchen planning, kitchen construction and after sales service thereby significantly lowering the costs for opening a new site. From 2008 onwards, Vapiano manages to source the central kitchen for all new restaurants from a single source.
Overall, the group books another year of stellar growth reaching over 42 million euros in turnover. This is quadrupling the 10 million euros achieved just three years ago. This type of growth is extremely rare for a restaurant business. Operating profits are now close to 4.3 million euros but as in the prior year, seven million euros are invested back into growth and maintenance of the business. Fortunately, because of the strong operational cash flow and favorable working capital movements the overall debt burden only increases modestly.

Unique Ways

We are now in the year 2009 and things are progressing well for Vapiano. The following is good reminder that each business is unique, each restaurant concept is unique and while there are always similarities that can be applied, you always ought to go back to first principle of the value proposition, concept or business model at hand and build your thinking and strategy from the ground up, irrespective of how the “others” in the industry might be doing things. While your first intuition may lead you to believe that you would have to hire lots of cooks as the restaurant chain expands, the Vapiano concept demands something different. To that end the company is starting to implement a unique hiring procedure. Instead of conducting individual one-by-one interviews for cooking roles where induvial go through their CVs, a question-and-answer session and perhaps some practical cooking demonstration, prospective candidates are instead selected through casting events. For that purpose, all applicants are gathered in one venue, on one day, and given different task. This approach allows the company to assess the group dynamics and identify individuals who would fit in well. CEO Mirko Silz emphasizes the importance of a cheerful and spirited individual, as most of the work in front cooking revolves around interacting with guests. Being able to cook is simply not an important skill for the role here. The food is designed in a modular approach with a set menu, the execution of which can be trained within three days. Mirko says: “Our people have to be in good spirits and cheery, as 90 % of the work is in the front cooking area with guests. Someone who is shy has no chance with us. Our people act on the big stage. I always say: everything disappears, character remains.” The firm needs entertainers, not cooks.

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In terms of the general economy, we are now in the aftermath of the Great Financial Crises. Germany is now in a full-blown recession and is experiencing a 5.7% contraction in its economic activity. Times are tough but Vapiano is unfazed. To the contrary, the group’s growth explodes. Four own-operated sites, four Joint Ventures, additional franchisee sites and new licenses are added so that by the end of the year there is a grant total of 55 restaurants across 12 European countries. The network sees growth in various German cities, including additional sites in Munich, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, and Berlin with a total of 37 self-operated sites in Germany alone.
It’s common in franchising, for one franchisee to have multiple sites, especially if they are good operators. Big if and if they can prove that they can implement a process and local management that ensures smooth operations in one site freeing up own attention capacity to take on another site. Not a small challenge but if that happens it’s a win-win situation for both as the group knows they are partnering with a known and proven operator, generating additional revenues and profits and it’s great for the franchisee as he can grow his business portfolio with partners he knows, trusts and issues that have been battletested.
The whole apparatus starts to work like a well-oiled machine. Revenue jumps by 56% to almost 69 million euros, operating profits reach 9.5 million euros. Impressive. Strong growth is there, yes, but it’s expensive. The expansion involves big sites, each requiring over one million euros in capital expenditure and a substantial amount of footfall to cover operating costs and recoup the initial capital outlay. 23 million euros are spent on capex but because operating cash f low is not sufficient to cover all costs the company needs to borrow an additional 12.5 million euros and raise c. 4 million in equity from investors. Through this equity round a new set of investors are joining the company, Hans-Joachim Sander (who also joins the advisory board) and Gisa Sander. The two are heirs to the very well-known German cosmetics label "Wella".
Things are changing now. Gregor Gerlach, one of the founding investors, is now leading the supervisory board. He is stepping forward and expresses the intention for Vapiano to accelerate its growth, particularly internationally, in countries where there’s presence already. This is a logical strategic move, capitalizing on local brand recognition that has been built, leveraging local suppliers and knowledge, ensuring a smoother international expansion process. Amidst all the group’s success, a small cautionary note emerges. In September of 2009, a recently opened restaurant is facing insolvency. Although in the beginning the site is experiencing footfall and spent per the plan, the location is starting to experience atypical sales development thereafter. This is certainly new. The group decides it isn’t feasible running the property independently, emphasizing the need for the personal commitment of entrepreneurs, particularly in small and medium-sized cities. This might be a nothing burger – pun intended – but time will tell.
Fun fact: all olive trees in the restaurants are real and sourced directly from Italy, handpicked for every location.
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Changing Ways

In the following year, 2010, the entire gastronomy industry in Germany is contracting by 0.4%. Not Vapiano however. The group is still growing sites and revenue climbs from 69 million to 85 million euros with operating profits jumping above 10 million for the first time in the company’s history. Most of the cash generated from operations is used for the expansion with the remaining cash used to repay some of the 27-million-euro debt load it has outstanding by year end 2009.
Something feels different though. Yes, there is top line growth, but the rate of growth is slowing and interestingly the operating margin is falling as well, even if ever so slightly. Slippage creeping in? That year the group starts to explore projects that are tangent to the business but are arguably beyond its core competency. New concepts are being introduce such as the loyalty program that can be used by customers across all of Europe which is great for data collection purposes and building customer habit and stickiness. A female oriented magazine called “Vapiano Lady’s” is now being published. The “Viva Oliva” campaign is founded: an Olive Tree Festival which begins on Easter Sunday and runs for two weeks. During the time of “Viva Oliva” special attention is paid to products with olive content and in 2011, the Olive Tree Festival format is expanded to Vapiano restaurants abroad. All these new elements are designed to build customer connections and brand loyalty. Interestingly the same year, while all these new project and elements are starting up, perhaps a time to internally consolidate and clean up, the company announces it would abandon its current growth strategy and replace it with one that is much more aggressive. The new goal: doubling the number of sites from 2011 and 2014. Remember that we are now starting from a much larger base than the years before. The big focus is Europe, pushing the concept of “Fresh Casual Dining”, a category the company has invented in the German market. Based on the raw data it makes sense to hit the accelerator, after all same store sales (or Like-for-Like, LfL) grows 9% in Europe, clearly there is good demand for the product. What plays into management’s ambition and believes at the time, is the change ways of eating habits across Europe. The trend is moving away from heavy and fatty foods towards fresh and healthy meals and management is keen to lean into this, capitalising on customers embracing their newly found love for fresh and healthy foods.
While all of this is unfolding, a telltale sign emerges on the horizon. In 2011 the original co-founders and shareholders Kent Hahne, Klaus Rader, Friedemann Findeis are selling their Vapiano ownership stakes. Kent Hahne was responsible for the company’s international expansion from 2004 to 2011, and he keeps several restaurants as a franchisee but in 2015 he would sell these restaurants too. Insiders and founders selling in the middle of an expansionary path can have many different reasons, so there is no point to speculate. What I will say however is that there is only one reason why founders and insiders keep their stake. All three men, Hahne, Rader and Findeis would later play a vital role in Vapiano’s fierce competitor, L’Osteria.
The same year a new investor with a 40% stake emerges: Mayfair. Mayfair is the family office of Günter Herz and his sister Daniela Herz-Schnoeckl, heirs to the German multi-billion-euro empire Tchibo. Mayfair’s investment is not a simple silent equity stake in the business but is meant to support the company’s ambitious international and general expansion plans. Mirko Silz, CEO since 2006, leaves the company. He was the one who managed the rapid development phase as a central figure, the multi-city expansion and densification, the internationalization, the brand management and the implementation of systems, all success to date were done under his leadership. The second phase of Vapiano’s growth story, from 2006 until now, 2011, is now ending and a new era, one more heavily influenced by large capital and Mayfair is beginning. There is no official record on this, but Mirko apparently was uncomfortable with the speed of expansion that the new owners were aiming for with an eventual IPO in a couple of years. Whatever the reason for his departure, Gregor Gerlach has now become CEO and is pushing global expansion even harder. Amusingly, Mirko would later join his old companions Hahne, Rader and Findeis, becoming an important character in Vapiano’s competitor, L’Osteria. The remaining 60% stake of Vapiano is now held by the Sander couple and Gregor Gerlach.
In terms of revenue, it’s another stellar year. For the very first time in the company’s short history, it hits the 100 million euros turnover mark, new owned and franchised restaurants are being opened while debt grows to almost 30 million euros. 33 own restaurants are now operational across Europe and there are over 100 Vapiano restaurants globally with 11 in the USA, four in South Korea, three in Saudi Arabia, two in Australia, one in Lebanon, Mexico, Taiwan and Turkey. It’s a tremendous effort by the company and the team to achieve this level of global of presences so rapidly. It’s far easier to comment in these situations from the sidelines but one does start to wonder whether an organization that size, structure, and experience can truly handle this kind of rapid expansion, even with the highest level of management talent. After all this isn’t a software company that can easily scale centrally, it’s an on-the ground, people, process, and operations heavy restaurant business.
Anyway, the loyalty program is a big success, and several tens of thousands of customers are enrolling into it. But on the financial side, cracks are starting to emerge. While gross margins are holding up steadily and nicely at 74% (75% in prior years) operating margins are slipping further, from 12% to 9%. The operating profit of the business is now 9 million euros, this is less than in the previous year even though revenue has gone up by almost 20 million euros. Management says this is due to expenses related to the changes in management and unscheduled depreciation charges on licenses and usage rights. Unfortunately, I can’t strip these costs out, as they are not broken out or explained in the annual report. Same store sales (or Like-for-Like, LfL) in Europe are increasing by 20% which is a great sign to see (although there is no split between fully ramped and newer sites), demand for the company’s product certainly seems to be there. Just to give you a bit of a flavour on how ambitious Mayfair was with Vapiano. The Mayfair family office itself is in Hamburg and at the time, in 2011, there are three Vapianos in Hamburg. Mayfair’s goal was to increase that number from the current three to a total of six to ten restaurants in Hamburg alone. So, between 2012 and 2014 the expansion train continues. Revenue in 2012 grows to 118 million euros, albeit at a slower pace, and the company’s debt load increases to over 43 million. Net debt is now three times the size of the company’s operating profits, which is manageable and but it’s certainly not prudent.
Operationally, the Company is busy with things beyond cooking good food and creating a good atmosphere for guests. Loyalty programs are being rolled out, the company becomes very active on social media, starts investing in online blogs, and launches a new website where Vapiano merchandise and gift cards can be bought.

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One year later growth slows further to 16%, revenue now reaching 136 million euros with gross margin holding up at roughly 75% but the operating profits slipping to its lowest point in years to only 7% of revenue or 9.6 million euros. The capital expenditures for tangibles like property, plant and equipment and intangibles like software and licenses, a.k.a. capex, is now so large, 20+ million euros, twice the size of the operating income of the business, that 14 million euros of new debt and 3 million euros in equity are raised. Total debt now stands at over 57 million euros with 4.5 million cash at hand. Net debt in relation to operating profits is now over five times. This is now a seriously leveraged business.
We are now in the year 2013 and 20 new sites are being opened. The total number of restaurants in the network grows to 139 with presence in 27 countries. Without a doubt this type of presence raises the awareness of the brand amongst consumers. Interestingly though, the company no longer speaks about same-store-sales growth in its annual report. That year, many events are hosted by the company, all aimed at bringing the customers closer to the Vapiano brand. To that end, headcount in HQ is starting to grow and the total number of employees grows by 512 to 2,928 in one year. An increase of 21% while revenue grows by 15%. As always with increasing size, the organization becomes less efficient and personal costs as percentage of revenue increase from 36% in the prior year to 38% now. A new and refreshed design concept is introduced by our old friend Matteo Thun and rolled out, starting in Berlin. By this time Vapiano is 11 years old and the glossy shine of the new, fresh, up-and coming Italian restaurant is starting to fade.
In all its previous years, the company was proud of the fact that it didn’t need any expansive and fancy marketing for its growth and was mostly driven by word of mouth, organically. This is now changing, and the group establishes its own marketing firm, Vapiano International Marketing GmbH. The new “Viva Oliva”, “Vapiano Ladies-Night” and “Vapiano-KIDs” events are all held in 2013 and a new marketing project is launched in 2014, a campaign with the name "HOME OF FRESHNESS". There is also a "HOME OF FRESHNESS" b2c film being developed, adaptable to different country preferences and the Vapiano “Photo Pool” is expanded for better image materials. A new Vapiano Design 2.0 concept is being introduced, a development of a standalone Vapiano restaurant in Fürth, Germany is introduced, and an improved bar concept. A lot of stuff is happening here.
In April 2014 CEO Gregor Gerlach tells the business paper WirtschaftsWoche that he wants to double the number of restaurants every three years. To that end the group is planning to build its own real estate, like McDonalds does at times. The Company calls these Freestander – a freely standing restaurant away from the city centre. The reason behind this is that when you go into smaller cities, it requires a different format where you can no longer look for empty space in central areas. This is a clear shift (or addition) from (or to) the previous model. With this strategy the group could target city peripheries and Autobahn stops, thereby capturing more customer traffic. This is starting to sound very different from the metropolitan client base that the group once was targeting. Some of that initial alure and magic is being lost by pursuing this strategy and the question arises if that is compromising the appeal of the other locations in the network by taking this step. But strong growth ambitions and lack of sufficient white space requires a change in strategy.
The new business projects don’t end there. The company introduces a drinks brand, Vapiano ICE TEA, with four flavour varieties, that are being rolled out in several European countries. A new app is introduced to replace the loyalty card and the company’s website is further developed. The loyalty program, VAPIANO PEOPLE is expanded into Sweden and the Netherlands gaining around 24,000 new members in 2014, a 15% increase from the previous year. The corporate design is further revised and so is the restaurant’s menu. Vapiano partners with star chef Cornelia Poletto to create new recipes but also encourages its own cooks and staff to suggest new recipes. It’s difficult to assess if this because dishes are getting stale or if it simply managements plan to extend the breadth of the menu with things like the specials. Other large Corporates, like McDonalds, run similar strategies where the classics are offered all year long while specials are introduced to the menu every so often to bring in some variety for those who are open to experiment and looking for new tastes and experiences without losing the popular dishes that have gained legitimacy and love by the customer over decades.
The Company is starting to introduce new events. For example, on October 22nd, Vapiano celebrates its birthday with a special event known as Vapiano Day. On that day, all employees in global support functions join the restaurant teams to actively participate in the daily operations. It’s aimed to enhance collaboration between the restaurant staff and administrative personnel, fostering improved teamwork. A concept that most firms should adopt in my view. Further, throughout the year, the company also runs various activities engaging both guests and Vapiano staff, an effort designed to strengthen the connections with regular guests. There is a lot going on here, it’s hard to keep track. There is a hard push and investments being made into the Vapiano brand and keeping the customer engaged. The average spent per customer in the group increases by 3% compared to the previous year and the number of total guests increases by 6% to over 14 million across all restaurants. It’s however not clear how much of that 6% is organic grow, i.e. more guests in the same restaurants, and how much comes from new restaurant openings. One can tell from the language in the annual report that the front end of the business is running faster than the back end. There is language around changing and harmonising IT structures without having to rely too heavily on restaurant staff on the ground. Simultaneously the company is trying to have a tighter central grip by building a team that standardizes functions, processes, and guidelines. All these initiatives, products and events are happening while sales outside of Europe are actually shrinking by 1.3% to which CEO Gregor Gerlach, attributes operational hick-ups and having partnered with the wrong local people. Are you spreading yourself too thinly? One word pops up for the first time in the 2014 annual report that I haven’t heard or read before in the context of Vapiano. That word is “lifestyle”. For the first time the company calls itself a lifestyle brand. I am not sure what direction this restaurant chain is taking here but it’s becoming increasingly clear that more elements are added around the core competency and concept of providing fresh, tasty food in a positive and welcoming atmosphere. I will say however, that as an outsider standing by the sidelines, it’s always much, much easy to make suggestions and comments than being in the arena yourself.
Anyways, during the year, as it has been the case in all previous years, new sites are being opened. The f final count by the end the year: 152 restaurants in 29 countries. Revenue grows to 152 million euros, but the rate of growth slows yet again to 12% from 16% in the previous year. The base effect is kicking in. Simultaneously personnel expenses grow 13%, further deteriorating margins. Gross margins are stable at 77%, an exceptionally good margin by the way, but operating margins further slips to 6%. The group’s operating profits with 9.5 million euros is now below the previous year, even though turnover grew by almost 15 million. You don’t need to be business genius to understand that there are too many corporate shenanigans happening here, with magazines, periphery products and events that blow up overheads and distracts from the core business that could be incredibly profitable. From 2011 to 2014 the company’s administrative costs increase by 120% to more than 20 million euros. The cost of employee training increases by 50%. There is a level of professionalism and back office investment necessary for the international expansion and that doesn’t come cheap. All the while, operationally, the US-business is struggling. Two US-locations are shutting down and a new management team is trying the turn things around. Vapiano’s proposition and core strength is freshness, atmosphere, and design, not something the average American quick service restaurant eater cares much for. The group’s operating cash flow is 19 million euros that year covering all capital expenditures for site openings, maintenance of the existing portfolio and the remodeling with the refreshed design. No debt or equity is raised, instead 2.1 million euros of debt is repaid.
Capitalism is working here at all times and in a capitalistic system, economic success attracts competition. Vapiano is increasingly fighting a wave of new chains popping up, all chasing the same mouths. Brands like Dean & David (salads), Hans im Glück (burgers), L’Osteria (pizza and pasta), BackWerk (bakery) and many others are all trying to grab a piece of the, albeit growing, pie – yes, pun intended. Even ex-Porsche CEO Wendelin Wiedeking wants a piece of the action and starts his own pizza & pasta chain called Tialini and when launched in 2013 the concept was aiming for 20 sites in the medium term. There are five in place today. Finding a concept with broad market fit and then executing and scaling it in a competitive market is not easy. Vapiano had first mover advantages, executed growth well initially and through its achieved scale had a capital as an advantage.
But things are about to get spicy here at Vapiano, so stay tuned.
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2024.04.27 04:16 tequilitas SAGA - AITA for helping my Brother runaway from his wedding? (Part 2)

Part 1 https://www.reddit.com/BORUpdates/comments/1ce39in/saga_aita_for_helping_my_brother_runaway_from_his/
UPDATE 4 (Sep 05, 2022)
UPDATE 5 (May 18, 2023)
UPDATE 6 (Jan 17, 2024)
UPDATE 4
Hi Cult! I guess we should catch whoever still wants to know what is going on with the Cult up.
Not to lose the rhythm. First some points:
*Due to popular demand: yes, our native language is Spanish.
*Adoptions are final in our country, done by the government and we rarely get situations like open adoptions. Joe+Ana had been on waiting for a bit since they decided that is how they wanted to have kids together. **I said Habemus, as in we have, like when they announce the Pope. LOL
*We are now 35, 33, and 29.
*HB was supposed to mean Husband, but I love the Huge Bastard interpretation. It works both ways honestly.
*Joe+I moved as we planned last year.
*The year has been pretty good, just minor drama around.
*Daniela can still go fuck herself though.
Anyway, let's do the kind of bad news first. Daniela came back with a swing we were not expecting, she is pregnant and claims to whomever would listen Sam is the Dad. Sadly for her, it is literally impossible for him to be the father since he was not even in the country when the baby would have been conceived but she had no way of knowing that. Sam has offered repeatedly to have a paternity test done but she refuses, Sam is safe legally he just feels bad for her baby.
Daniela's Dad did sue Sam for emotional distress of 2 of his daughters: Daniela and the one the boyfriend left but nothing happened since Joe dealt with it. SURPRISE! Joe is a lawyer (it is relevant info for this catch up I promise). Sam decided not to do anything against him since he has too much on his plate and feels pity for the family.
Mother still insisted on meeting Baby, but that will never happen. She undusted one of her favorite tactics: She has cancer. She contacted Joe+Ana through their work e-mails and "begged" them to help out with meeting Baby since she is so sick, most likely would need a transplant of something, etc. You'll see, this is like the 5th time she has cancer but in reality she has had cancer a total of ZERO times, she loves the attention, the suffering, the drama, and all that good stuff bad people like to bring out of others. We never believed her of course, but what we didn't expect was that she would make a fool of herself when she contacted Ana's Mom on FB. Ana's Mom is a lovely good catholic lady, so Mother must have assumed she would be easy to manipulate. She told her about her cancer and how heartbroken she was to not meet Baby, Ana's Mom proceeded to ask a couple questions about the diagnosis and treatment which made no sense as expected. Then she blocked her and posted the screenshots of her wall. It is like high school drama only is with older folks and it has hilarious comebacks.
Baby is otherwise very happy, very healthy, and the only controversy regarding her was the question of what would Rita be called. Not by Rita, but by our Mother who claimed Rita had no right to be called Grandma. Joe+Ana talked with Rita and they all agreed for all intents and purposes she is Grandma Rita and Mother can do nothing about it.
Sam is doing well, he quit his job and started something on his own. He's still living at the family home, renting the other house, and kinda seeing someone. She is nice, knows about all the stuff, makes amazing cakes, knows how to knit… We like her, so we are both positive and cautious. They are taking it SLOOOW, but is nice to see him with someone like this. He also kept on painting rooms with Dad and the results are, please remember I love these two, embarrassingly funny, ridiculous, and like something you do in kindergarden.
Dad got Covid (first time) and he got so scared he decided to update his will, that's why Joe's profession is important. They wanted Sam and I to know about it when they finished it up. Everything he owns is divided in 4: his kids and the other quarter to any grandchildren. However, the family house is not to be divided and is going to be put on my name soonish. I was a bit confused but Joe+Dad discussed it and wanted me to have it if and only if Sam agreed, he did and is very happy about it. They didn't really offer many explanations other than it was the right thing to do, I sense a little because I am the baby there but is ok. Joe bought a house in the same neighborhood as our family home, thus even if they are not in the same block or anything they are close by.
We (Matt+I) are not buying anything anymore since I will be getting the house and would make no sense. We moved to the family home, and it has been interesting but nice. Dad has started semi-retirement and spending more days at Rita’s so it works for everybody, Sam will of course get to stay there as long as he wants but his murals would have to go. LOL
We are still engaged, still happy, still enjoying babysitting and still not pregnant but got a cat during the spring. We are planning a December wedding and couldn’t ask for a better end of the year.
So that’s it, no drama or at least not huge drama. We are moving forward and healing continuously, which is the way we like it.
In case you wonder why I decided to post now, one of us is a huge fan of BestofRedditorUpdates and we got reminded about the posts.
Anyway, greetings from the cult and we wish you all a good last few months of 2022.
UPDATE 5
Hello Reddit!
First, as it’s tradition:
*We now have 2 cats.
*Sam moved in with his gf and we just love that he’s happy again.
*Dad is semi moved in with Rita.
*It has been bittersweet but overall we remain positive and supportive of each other.
Let’s do bad news first. It turns out that there was indeed cancer on our Mother’s side, just not hers. One of her stepchildren actually had it and passed away at the beginning of the year, she is milking it for all it’s worth and we are disgusted by her as usual. While we can empathize with the loss, we are not changing our stance on being NC with her and her whole family.
Daniela had her baby, a very cute boy that is NOT Sam’s (not that we ever doubted that). She did try to make him recognize him and sign stuff but he refused and after the test there was nothing she could do. She did LOOOOSE her shit when she heard Sam was seriously dating and ever worse when he moved in with his gf. She still believes he is the one for her and is fixated on it, tried to cyberbully the gf but this woman is made of something else. Oh, and yes the father of her child is the married coworker in his 50s which is another shitshow from what we’ve heard but not ours.
Sam moved in with his gf, he’s still in therapy (we all are) but doing much better. His gf is a very well liked and beloved member of the family, she understands everything that has happened and integrated perfectly. He is also doing great in other areas and he did run his first marathon, not the best timing but hey! HE DID IT!!!!!
Joe+Ana+Baby are very happy, they are still on the list as interested to adopt since they would like to have at least another one. I also wanted to explain something again: in my country the adoptions are not done by agencies, you get on a list after some tests and interviews to see if you are a good candidate and when it happens that you match you get the baby, that baby is yours and that’s it. I know I am still a bit vague but please remember we are not from the US and things are different in each country. Apart from that, Baby is just the best Baby ever (yes I might be biased) but she algo gets told NO a lot because we all agree that she should not be spoiled, or well, too spoiled. She has a room at our house, Rita’s and a playing pen at Sam’s (because they are looking for a permanent house and they do home office).
Dad is basically living with Rita, she is pretty happy about it and they took a couple trips recently. They love being grandparents and are very hands on, they now claim 3 grandbabies since the cats sometimes go there too. It is hilarious because my Dad was not so warm on the idea of cats at first but now he even takes photos of all his babies and he prints the best ones because "that’s what he’s used to". He also shares progress updates with his friends and sometimes they are confused if he’s talking about the cats or Baby since he gets so excited about anything they do and he buys them all too many toys in my opinion but apparentely that’s what a grandpa does. LOL
We did get married in December, my Dad walked me down even if we did non traditional stuff for my country, Joe was Matt’s best man, Sam was my Bestmaid (he insisted on being called Julio the whole planning process when it was about the wedding), Mother did try to come and tried to convince Ana’s Mom about it but she would not tell her anything, some of Mother’s relatives said it was undignifying (unsure if it’s the right word) to have Rita there instead of my own Mother but well, I think it is disgusting to condone her actions so to each their own.
We had a blast and it was not stressful at all. Nobody ran away, nobody cried (of sadness), nobody tried to made a scene.
We are remodeling a part of the house to make it more ours and not to be at my childhood bedroom anymore. But so far everything is going very good for the cult. Sam got slightly less Julia Roberts gifts but he wears his t-shirts with pride all year round.
On a last bit: Sam’s gf has approached us with the idea of proposing to Sam when the time is right so, who knows….. Maybe this time he actually makes it to the altar!
UPDATE 6
Hi cult, to all you 10 or so people interested I come bringing you a bit of everything we went through.
As usual some points:
*We got a dog and my Dad is a "greatgranpa" now.
*My Dad is one of 6, I didn't mentioned it before because it was not relevant (it is for this one).
*The proposal was not ruined.
*It has been a rollercoaster but the cult is going strong.
*I think this one needs a TW: Suicide
Well, let's get to it shall we? I will start with the sad and down things because it actually has to do with everything that has happened. One of my uncles got a stroke and it was what started it all. For my Grandma it was such a shock that the youngest of her kids was the one who had it, he was recovering slowly but depression and frustration were too much for him and he took his life. It was one of the worst deaths we have had in the family since he was so healthy just months before it happened and we all thought he would get better. My Dad broke down and it was just too hard for all of us to see him like this and my Grandma's health took a turn, she is old but was otherwise very healthy before this.
We were very scared for Dad but he got better with the months and by the end of summer he was more himself. Grandma passed away in late November from natural causes but we are all believers it was of broken heart since she would repeat over and over that parents are not supposed to bury their own children. The holidays were bittersweet as you may imagine but we pulled through as usual. Sorry for the sad portion but it is needed for the rest of the catch up.
Our Mother being her usual monster self tried to come to both funerals and talked to us but it did not work so well for her. On my Grandma's funeral everybody was off guard and we didn't notice her inside the church, she came up to me and grabbed my arm saying we needed to talk. She said she didn't want to wait until one of us is dead for the family to reunite again and as the women of the family it was our duty to solve it all since afterall her family "desintegrated because of me". I just told her to let me go and when she didn't and kept talking stupid stuff about how much of a horrible human I am and how I am going to go to hell if I don't fix things before it's too late I told her that "if we end up in the same level of hell I will apologize otherwise I hope she dies soon". She kept screaming and crying and making a scene but got kicked out. Am I proud of my words? Yes, maybe I will end up in hell with her but I don't care.
The dog we got was my Uncle's, my Aunt asked if we could take it in for a bit while he had rehab but after his passing she requested we kept it because it was his special buddy and she could not bear to see it anymore. The dog is very friendly and the kittens got used eventually, after many fights and cries they are finally behaving and sometimes take naps together.
Joe+Ana+Baby are doing great! They are considering getting pregnant since they don't want Baby to have a big age gap with her future sibling and the adoption process is uncertain. They know we will support whatever they decide and so far we all babysit and meet up constantly as usual. Joe has also decided to start running with Sam so now they are running buddies and since they are very competitive it is hilarious to see. They actually happened to be with Grandma when she passed, which was peaceful and while she was sleeping. She was so happy to spend time with Baby since she was her only great grandchild so far. Baby also got the last handmade things made by her so it is very special.
Now, in my last catch up I mentioned Sam might get proposed but I promise I did NOT spoil it!!! He said yes and he's actually married. It seems very fast and he planned on a long engagement but Grandma asked if he would consider doing it sooner than later, he couldn't say no to her. His wedding was actually the last large family event she attended. Despite everything it was a very happy wedding and HE MADE IT TO THE ALTAR!! Not that we doubted it but it is still a bit funny to us. Dad was his goofy self and decided to take family pics at the family home, only of us of course. He now has one of his kids, his grandchildren, and great grandchildren since one of the cats had babies. Sam is extremely happy and his now wife was amazing during the planning, such a different experience from last time.
Matt+I are doing pretty well all things considered. We have decided to start a family soon, apart of our feline and canine children. We try to host family gatherings as much as possible because of the space and so far are doing very good at being hosts although we messed Christmas dinner since someone (cough cough cough me) forgot to buy some crucial ingredients and got frustrated but thankfully Rita and Matt went on a hunt for them and saved the day. Since then I am on booze duty for a while which to be honest I can't complain about.
We are still trying our best and yes there have been bouncing castles in a couple meets (seriously more adults need to try it).
Fingers crossed for a 2024 better than 2023 for all of us.
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2024.04.27 04:11 tequilitas SAGA - AITA for helping my Brother runaway from his wedding? (Part 1)

OP is u/Runawaybrother
ORIGINAL (Nov 01, 2021)
UPDATE 1 (Nov 02, 2021)
UPDATE 2 (Nov 06, 2021)
UPDATE 3 (Dec 22, 2021)
I have 2 older brothers, this is about the middle one. Our parents divorced when I was very young due to our Mother’s insane jealousy. At first my Dad was able to handle it but when she started making comments about me wanting to be like his wife he had enough. She quickly rebounded with a guy with 2 kids and had shared custody for a while. But when my Dad got remarried she went crazy, calling his new wife every horrible name and claiming he was cheating on her while they were married. I was always closer to my brothers and Dad than my Mom because she was always very mean to me. Long story short, my Stepmom died in a bad car accident and my Dad called her in the middle of the night letting her know he would pick us up earlier so we could attend the funeral and she decided to take us on a fun trip to “celebrate“ something. It was the happiest we've ever seen her and when we realized what happened and started crying she told us only worthless people cry for wh***s.
Needless to say, things went nuclear and my Dad asked for full custody with visitation for her. He always left the line of communication open and paid for us to visit her when she moved away but it was still very bad and as soon as we turned 18 we started to lower contact with her. Last time we saw her was on my HS graduation where she made a point of letting everyone who would hear we were ungrateful kids and her HB would call us bad names too, been NC since then.
My brother Sam started dating his Ex 3 years ago, she has heard all the stories and the reasons we are NC but she believes we are just dramatic. They had many issues due to her opinions but she eventually seemed to drop the “you need to reconcile with your Mother“ crusade. During the wedding planning there was no indication of things going wrong or fishy, then we got to the church and lo and behold Mom, HB and 2 kids were sitting at front. I immediately panicked and called my brothers. Sam thought maybe somehow she found out and wanted to crash so he called his Ex to let her know of the potential drama but she told him it was fine since she invited them, Sam hung up and asked me to go get him while oldest brother dealt with things at the church. We went home and barricaded ourselves there even when his Ex, her family, friends, etc came to try and "make sense with him". Mom’s HB even called and said he always knew we were worthless. Now that the dust has settled most of Sam's friends are on his side and so is most of our family (Dad's).
Ex's parents already threatened to sue for the money they paid if he doesn't marry her but Sam says he rathers pay them back for their contribution than marry someone that betrayed him. My nuclear family 100% supports Sam but the backlash has been huge.
Edit: You guys just reassured us all, thank you.
Some have commented about it but no, she has not apologized, she even went so far as to text my oldest brother "Joe" that she thought it would be a good wedding present from my brother to her since she values family. My Dad bought them a house as a wedding present but only Sam is on the deed, she did have keys for when they moved there but they just had the locks changed today and Joe and some cousins are taking everything Sam owns from her flat during this week. We aren't worried about being sued but will consult a lawyer just in case.
We also heard Mom and her family are still in town but since we are all staying at our childhood home for a few days we don't care. My Dad is sad that Sam is heartbroken but is trying to cheer him up along with my boyfriend and my SIL. I had to delete/deactivate my SM because I kept getting nasty comments and messages but the more people learn the reason Sam runaway, the less it gets. I am still sorry she felt humiliated, but my brother comes first.
Edit 2:
We are 34, 32, and 28. ExSIL is 30. Not in the US.
I asked Joe about the church aftermath and it was just as I expected it. He says he stood up in front of everybody and told them Sam was not coming and to please go home and all their gifts delivered to our side of the family will be given back asap. The Ex was still outside the church when someone in her family informed her and she started screaming and crying and calling Sam nonstop. Mom tried to talk to joe that didn’t even look at her and when she couldn’t get a reaction out of him she started crying loudly and lamenting how horrible we are to her and some people started consoling her, this is her m.o. but Joe and his wife didn’t care. When they went out of the church the Ex was expecting them and demanding to see Sam but Joe said no, then she demanded to know what to do with the party and he said if she didn’t want the venue he would arrange for the food to be donated to the staff there so it wouldn’t go to waste. Everybody was screaming except Joe because he didn’t want to give Mom the satisfaction.
They (Joe+SIL) came home after stopping at the supermarket and some fast food joints and we have been inside like we are kids again, plus 2 more members. We asked Sam if he wanted them to go but he said he wanted them there. We had all taken time off to spend family time after the wedding anyway so it’s not a problem at the moment. When the Ex came to the gate we knew she was not going to use the venue so my SIL called them with Sam’s info, told them to take the food, and also sent them some tips for their trouble. It seems we will get back all the alcohol, that my Dad paid for, so we will have a very drunk end of the year.
A couple of people messaged me asking why did our Dad ever marry our Mom and the answer is he really loved her and believed she was the nicest person ever. Turns out she wasn’t but she knew nobody, except I guess her nasty husband, would marry her unless she pretended to be nice. He considered staying with her until we were adults but she kept getting worse, she used to get very nice and he thought she was changing and then she would change again. As per my ExSIL, we have no doubt that she believes Mom is a nice person that has ungrateful children because she is extremely charming and for some people is funny to make fun of others as long as it’s not directed at them but it still doesn’t excuse Ex.
The only person Sam gave an explanation was his boss who was at the church but he is very understanding and was pretty shocked of what Mom put us through since we are fairly adjusted happy people. Our Dad said that it was a shock for all of us and we can stay home as long as we need, Sam is moving home for the time being. I showed my family the post and they are moved by your niceness but Sam wants you all to KNOW Ex wasn’t showing any concerning behaviors and he truly believed she understood his upbringing.
He agreed to talk to her and her parents today but only if it’s at our home and we are there to support him so it’s going to be an interesting visit.
UPDATE 1
First some extra info:
*Sam lost some money but it’s not going to hurt him. Her parents paid for her dress, a very fancy cake, and part of the honeymoon.
*Ex wasn’t the most beloved in-law but we truly believed she loved Sam.
*We have no contact with Mom’s side, Joe used to have some with Grandma but after his wedding (another shit show avoided) he cut her off too.
*Mom’s comments about me wanting to be the wife came from her belief that it was not right for us to have Daddy-daughter days or outings, the thing is there were also Daddy-Joe days and Daddy-Sam days. He always tried to spend time with us alone and as a group. She is just sick.
*We don’t advertise our childhood so when people ask us about our parents the standard answer is “Just my Dad“or “it’s just my siblings and my Dad“. Most people assume Mom is dead and it helps avoid the whole inquiry about not talking to her.
*Mom’s stepkids are both male and in their early 30s.
*Dad has a long-term girlfriend and we like her a lot, she has been doing her own stuff these past few days but she says we have her full support.
Now the update.
I was wondering why Sam accepted the meeting after not even talking to her but turns out she sent videos and photos of all his things on the floor to his best friend “Tom“ and told him that Sam either talk to her or she would burn/destroy it all. Tom came to visit Sam, told him what happened and they informed her they need access to the flat before anything happens. Tom, Joe, a couple of cousins, and my BF went and took his clothes, electronics, important paperwork. Sam said he didn’t care about the rest and even made a little joke about them being the fastest moving crew he knew.
The meeting was, for lack of a better word, a ridiculous event. She came with her parents and sisters, tried to talk to Sam alone but when he didn’t allow it she just started talking. Not ONCE did she apologize, she said it’s not her fault we don’t understand the value of a real family and we were raised to hate mothers. That her only intention was for Sam to learn to value mothers because she was scared he would take her children away from her because that is what he was taught to do. Sam didn’t say anything until she threw the “this family is like a cult and you are a terrible father“ looking at my Dad.
As you may imagine, this is a sore spot for all of us and we don’t allow insults towards our Dad under any circumstance. Sam just unloaded about how she was a hateful liar, he was disgusted he ever touched even her hand, he was grateful to the universe that I am chronically early to everything, he told her staying with a cheating husband as her Mom does is nothing to be proud about, he said she pretended to be nice just so he would marry her, unloaded all the minor things that he was willing to overlook because he truly did love her or at least who he thought she was, he said he would never forgive her for the hurt she caused his siblings but he doesn’t hate her because that would require him to spend energy thinking about her and she doesn’t get that, at the end he said she had enough time to clear things and since she has acted like a victim he will be the one to let everybody know why he didn’t show. It was brutal but cathartic and necessary for Sam, her parents said nothing but were very red. She was crying.
Her sisters attempted to defend her and their parents‘ relationship and were kind of expecting my whole family to argue too but we didn’t. Then Sam told his ExFIL he could sue if he wanted but if he did Sam would expose all his family’s dirty laundry to the world and he doubts he wants that. Amazingly, the Dad still argued Sam could try and make amends and marry his Ex because “they are not getting any younger“ and all families fight, I’ve never rolled my eyes harder. The rest of the meeting went about logistics for the return of the wedding gifts already received, stopping the harassment from their family, the cancellation and refund of the honeymoon, the changing of the locks. Ex just kept crying and trying to talk to Sam but he was in business mode and didn’t want anything from her, he only replied to her directly when she said she was keeping her engagement ring with “nobody asked for it“. They left without issues.
When the booze was delivered Mom and Husband sneaked through the gate when we opened it, she said she just wanted to talk to her babiiiiies and my Dad asked her to leave. She kept screaming he raised us wrong and we just embarrassed her with our behavior, she couldn’t believe we were such bad people and we should start making amends with her because we clearly lack maternal love (she got that right) and this was the pathetic result. At that point Joe went out and told her to leave since the police were on their way, she took it as an opportunity to cry since it’s the first time in about a decade he talked to her and tried to sweet-talk him into going to grab dinner with her and her husband, but Joe just told her to leave and the only news he ever wanted to hear related to her were the ones about her funeral so he could go celebrate. Cue hysterical crying and screaming from the husband demanding an apology and threatening to hit Joe. Dad and Joe went back inside and left them there until we saw they left and closed the gate. It is hard for some people to understand why we react like we do, but the things I wrote about our Mother are just like the tip of the iceberg. Dad wasn’t exactly proud of what Joe said but he understood he needed to let it out and he was speaking for all of us. Maybe that makes us bad people, but we truly don’t want to see this woman ever again.
We are all going to have some family therapy besides our individual ones, Sam doesn’t want the house anymore but my Dad says to take it slow and the first step is to mend his heart. We have had horror movies marathons and some Disney classics sprinkled here and there. We also had a drama bingo thing going on of all the things that could possibly happen because I guess we are truly dramatic after all, we love each other and were raised to treat people well but we can be petty when pushed. I also feel better knowing she humiliated herself and while I wouldn’t wish to be left at the church to anybody, I would do it again because I love my brother more than I feel bad for her. We will be going on a family trip eventually but right now we will continue our staycation.
To the person that said Joe is a hero: his siblings couldn’t ask for a better brother and friend.
We‘ve read everything so far. Thank you for letting me vent, the awards, the Pms, I am sorry if my English was not up to the standards, Joe and Sam names are obviously fake but……..
Daniela, GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Little note: My brothers are reading your messages and comments, they want you to know we know how lucky we are. They appreciate the positivity, want you to know it gets better (those in the same boat), and you are all welcome to our "cult".
UPDATE 2
First more clarifications:
*If you want to PM is fine, even if it is to insult us, please know I will only answer in public form.
*Joe wasn’t parentified (to the person who wrote me a mean essay about it, here is the answer). My brothers spent time with me because they wanted to, we had special days together or with each other. They did all the activities they wanted, had many friends, went on trips with me or alone, etc. There were nannies, family, my Dad. They were never forced to take me with them against their will, they had a lot of freedom within reason. My parents divorced when I was 3, and even if there was shared custody we stayed 90% with Dad and we never went visit our Mother unless we were in at least pairs. The only times Joe or Sam visited her after turning 18 was when I was requested to visit because they didn’t want me to go alone.
*We have all been in therapy for a very long time. We are just having special sessions because we saw our Mother but Joe is the only one that interacted with her. ALSO, please know we (Sam+I) know how to defend ourselves and didn’t ask Joe to confront her, he did it by himself. Why didn’t my Dad go to the church with Joe? Because he was asked by Sam to go home, we didn’t think he needed to see that woman even if he had to talk to her after.
*Sam has cried, he is not a monster! He is heartbroken, thought he would spend the rest of his life with Daniela, thought he was a good judge of character, thought he didn’t have to see our Mother ever again. There are many emotions going on but because of our upbringing we are very good at keeping our emotions at check in front of people we don’t trust or like. It was a survival skill we developed to deal with how we were treated.
*Joe had a relationship with Grandma but stopped talking to her after she invited Mother as her plus one. There was no religious ceremony, the venue had security and there was a No Entry List. He sent Grandma a letter and didn’t talk to her again, we also didn’t attend her Funeral.
*The wedding was about 250 guests, when making the wedding list and sitting charts she used other names which is how we didn’t know about it.
*Daniela is not Brazilian.
*My Dad requested that I inform you all that his kids are not alcoholics, he is worried people think that even if this is anonymous. LOL
Anyway, this week has been really chaotic. Those who said to be prepared for the pregnancy tactic were incredibly accurate. She posted it online, people were freaking out again and calling Sam asking him if it was true. Sam called her and asked that she deleted it, she continued claiming she was pregnant, he asked her to delete it and to come talk about it. She deleted it, met up with Sam and somehow this crazy woman thought he wanted her back. I went with Sam, she was very happy until she saw me enter the place. She started crying, holding her stomach and when Sam asked her if she really was pregnant she said yes and told him she didn’t want her child to be from a broken family. Sam told her they were going to the doctor immediately to know for sure and she cried even more, screaming he didn’t trust her. Long story short, she isn’t pregnant. BUT she posted Sam was forcing her to have an abortion and she was devastated. As you may imagine, this was a horrible thing to say, people were calling Sam because they are so whiplashed from the drama they don’t know what to believe anymore.
When my SIL “Ana“ found out about the posts and the meet she called Daniela. I am unsure what was said in that conversation but I also never saw Ana this angry. The posts are down, but Ana wrote an email with all relevant information including that Daniela was never pregnant and sent it to everybody in the wedding list. This morning we heard Daniela had a breakdown after leaving voicemails telling Sam if she couldn’t be with him she wanted to die. This is another tactic straight out of our Mother’s playbook and Sam simply called the police and told them what happened. Her family forced her into therapy and she is in observation right now. It brings us no pleasure that it came to this, but we don’t want to get involved anymore. We are also changing our numbers, already requested it.
Our Mother emailed Ana threatening to sue her for defamation regarding the email blast but we are not worried about it either. Ana’s parents are amazing and they have made it perfectly clear they are on our side and 100% agree with the way she handled things. Joe was enraged but Ana convinced him to let it go and simply move on. Mother’s husband has been a peach as usual, Dad is considering a restraining order but they are not great in our country.
We did have a get together at home yesterday and it was a lot of fun. There was Karaoke, dancing, nice food and drinks, games, and bouncy house because why not (We love them). Most people avoided the topic of the wedding and the posts but those who brought them up did tactfully. Dad had already given away a lot of the alcohol to his employees, they got to choose what they wanted and got a bottle each. He is also adding bottles into his Christmas baskets this year.
We are going to spend the holidays together and traveling. I told Sam about the new paint for the house but he just doesn’t want to live there, he will rent it. I made a joke about me simply eloping or not having a proper wedding to avoid drama and Joe told me in no uncertain terms I get the biggest party ever if I choose to. So yeah, he is still the best.
Thank you for your nice comments and messages (not thanking the mean ones), the awards, and the interest. Sorry to the nice Danielas out there, the fuck you wasn’t for you.
UPDATE 3
Thank you for all your interest, you are very nice and is always a blast logging in and update you on our Cult.
First some points:
*Hi best sub and youtube, you’re part of the family lore now.
*I do read every single comment, message, etc.
*Some commented I particularly lacked a feminine figure in my life but I had my Grandma, Aunts, etc. My Dad’s girlfriend "Rita" is not a mother figure and I don't feel I am a bad woman because of it. When I had my period and told my Dad he had a whole thing prepared, then he informed my brothers and each had a whole thing prepared themselves, they each had their own approach and the others didn’t know about it. Long story short, I had 3 men taking care of it and doing even a presentation about it. It might sound super awkward for me but was even more awkward for them. It is a hilarious story and reminds me how much they thought about me all the time.
*Rita is amazing and we love her, but she has no problem not being married to my Dad. My Dad doesn’t want to get married again, if he did we would support him.
*Daniela is OK. Her sisters tried to make a huge drama and accuse us of being horrible but after the email sent by Ana nobody is buying it. One of them was also dumped by her boyfriend because he didn’t want to be related to a toxic family.
*I will not disclose where we live or what our Dad does for a living so please don’t ask about it again.
*We have new numbers, new SM handles, and are planning to move (Joe+I).
*Also, I do have a little note with the fake-real names relation and do type my posts in word. It‘s mainly so I don’t mess up my ramblings.
*My Dad wants you all to know your applications to the Cult have been accepted.
Anyway, I checked the last update and I can’t believe it was only in early November! I have mainly good updates for you.
Sam is doing well, he is taking time off work, his boss is very understanding about him needing time and told him he can always come back there. He is still living with Dad and has savings so he is not worried about that aspect. He is running now and has decided to run a marathon next year. He is more and more his goofy self and is doing renovations at home or in other words, Dad and Sam are trying to paint some rooms and do murals. It is hilarious and they have a lot of fun. Daniela wrote him a letter but he sent it back. The house was put on the market as a rental and he is ok with it.
I am engaged! It turns out it has been months in the making and when I made the joke about eloping my future husband "Matt" panicked I discovered the plan. He spoke with Sam (who already knew of tha plans) because he didn’t want to make him uncomfortable but Sam said it would actually make him uncomfortable if he didn‘t. He also spoke with Joe and my Dad, my Dad made him sweat when he asked for my hand saying it was not his to give but they say it was all in good fun. It happened earlier this month, I am very excited but not as much as my Dad. He says he wants to walk me down even if it is a civil wedding. While my news are amazing I believe the other big news around are better.
Joe and Ana have been on the adoption list for a while and as of a couple weeks ago Habemus BABY! She is the most beautiful sweet best baby ever. The adoption is final as it usually is in our country for new born or almost new born babies. We knew they wanted to adopt for a while so when they told us about the baby being officially theirs it was a lot of crying, but happy crying. Dad is in full Grandpa mode and even as bad as some things got this year this is the best thing that happened to our family is years.
Mom did learn about the baby and demanded an introduction. She has been served our version of an order of protection, she is never putting her eyes on her if we can help it. (Those are the bad news). Due to the new Covid we decided to stay home, now with the new addition we wouldn’t travel of course. We had a Christmas/WelcomeBaby/BabyShoweEngagement small gathering last weekend which Joe and niece didn’t attend since she is too young but they were there via zoom. We all agreed to give Sam some goof gifts such as t-shirts, mugs, sweatshirts, etc of Julia Roberts, since you know he is the runaway bride of the family.
The reason Joe and I are considering moving is that we live in flats at the moment and we want to live in houses. We are still shaken up and we know we have work to do but we know we have so much and we want to focus on that because the negative is in the minority. And no matter what happens I am always grateful for my family.
I believe this will be the last update folks, I know the last ones have been mainly drama free, and might not be as exciting, but we aim for that. Not planning on deleting anything, the account will be here in case something worth updating happens. I wish you all the best end of year and an amazing 2022.
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2024.04.24 15:20 ghhewh Uncovered: Justice Fund transfers to the media - what's really behind them?

Now that we know that Ziobro has been handing out Justice Fund money freely to the media [1], let's try to think: why?
The JF is supposed to have three main objectives: to help victims of crime, to help people coming out of prison and to prevent crime. I don't really see how promoting the JF in the media would help any of these aims.
Let's start with victims. If you are a victim of crime and you are eligible for help from the JF, it means that the state already knows about you. Your case has been dealt with by the police, the prosecutor's office, the courts, social services, doctors, rehabilitation centres and so on. At each stage of this process (or preferably at several stages), the state should inform you of the existence of the JF, from which you may be entitled to some assistance. There is really no need to advertise the JF on Wirtualna Polska, which will mainly reach the non-victims (because they are the majority).
The same applies to prisoners. If an offender is in penitentiary, it means that he is already in the hands of the state. If he is to hear from anyone about a post-prison support program, it will not be from an advertisement on RMF FM, but from some state official, whether in a uniform or not.
Only in terms of prevention can it be considered that, with some mental gymnastics, promoting the program can have a positive effect. But even here it is questionable. After all, the JS distributes targeted funds for various crime prevention initiatives through competitions. Obviously, it can be argued that the more people know about the JF, the more likely it is that better organisations will enter the competitions and that they will be better at achieving the goals set for them. The problem is that participants in such competitions are unlikely to find out about them from an advertisement in Do Rzeczy, but rather from public information bulletins, e-tendering platforms and directly from the institution organising the competition, in this case the Ministry of Justice).
Well, hello, you will say, but it is known that Ziobro distributed several hundred million zlotys from the JF to his schoolmates, priest friends, pseudo-foundations that one or the other of them set up on the day of the competition, exorcists, religious pseudo-think tanks and municipalities which Ziobro's Sovereign Poland ran. Well, yes, that's what happened, and there's plenty of evidence of it. Except that this is hardly an argument for advertising in RMF FM, Dziennik Gazeta Prawna or Ringier Axel Springer-owned media, but against it. Well, because, sorry, but the tens of millions that were spent on it were tens of millions that were not given to all those cronies. No profit, apparently no profit.
So what was it all about? The suspicion of leveraging the media comes to mind, but there are some simpler explanations.

Political advertising.

Simply put. Everyone knows that JF = Ziobro, even if his square head is missing from a particular advertisement (and that was rare). Ziobro's party was simply able to campaign for itself throughout his term because it had access to an extra source of public money. So it did. By the way, a second bird could be killed, which is:

Advertising for their media.

Note that large sums also went to the three PiSmedia group: Sakiewicz's Gazeta Polska and Telewizja Republika, the Karnowski brothers' Sieci and Paweł Lisicki's Do Rzeczy (yes, I know, the last one is more Confederation-aligned). The catch is that these media have a much smaller reach than the normal mainstream media. Wirtualna Polska got 7 million and Sakiewicz 5, although his reach was an order (or two) of magnitude smaller. I would also like to point out that there are no contracts with Gazeta Wyborcza, TVN) or Polityka, which are media with a wider reach (mainly among liberals, though). This is almost identical to the situation with the advertising of the state-owned companies, which amounted to round zero in TVN or Wyborcza and tens of millions in niche Catholic magazines and websites with marginal traffic. So, whatever the reasons for the advertising campaigns themselves, once again a disproportionate amount of money was put into the conservative hands.

Helping cronies.

It could also have been that pumping millions into advertising was a disguised way of giving away public funds to friends. Someone had to 'design marketing strategies', which could mean anything, including overpaying 10 times over for anything. Someone had to design graphics, TV commercials, web banners, radio broadcasts and so on. Since no one was in control (and the whole thing was headed by a guy who had power over the prosecutor's office and courts), you could steal that way too. And, in fact, I am sure that this was the case.
All right, but that's just a lot of speculation. It is obvious that we are interested in whether a member of the government has inadvertently influenced the mainstream media. As opposed to OKO.press, I am not going to go into the chronological correlations of the transfers with the editorial lines of certain media (I will make one exception), because this is a tedious job that has been going on for many weeks and that someone has yet to do. Or at least: they should. This one exception is Wirtualna Polska, to which transfers went only in 2019-2020, that is, until the outbreak of the scandal with the fake editors Suwart and Major, who were writing op-eds praising Ziobro and his wife. The connection is clear. Nevertheless, it is good that the transfers have stopped. The WP has event been able to reveal who wrote these op-eds. [2]
But let's look at others.
On this list, together with WP, we have twelve entries. Of these, six are PiS-owned media (Gazeta Polska, TV Rebublika, Radio Maryja, TV Trwam and Do Rzeczy), one is anti-PiS (RASM), one (WP) clearly had a deal with PiS but ended it, four had various kinds of - ehem - strange relations with the authorities (Rzeczpospolita, Polsat, RMF FM and Super Express) and unfortunately I know nothing about (DGP). The only one that surprises me is RASM. In 2019 (and just that year), RASM signed three contracts with the JF for these 1.9 million. In the same year, RASM had a turnover of 592 million. So the transfers from Ziobro accounted for 0.3%. Not that I'm defending RASM, after all the matter needs to be clarified, but unless this was part of some bigger conspiracy, I don't really see how it would affect the content created in RASM media. But of course it cannot be ruled out.
I note, however, that to date only the case of WP has involved Ziobro himself. The others were Orlen's, Morawiecki's and PiS' in general.
Finally, let my add one more thing. Well, it is no secret that PiS has been trying to influence the media for the last eight years. Onet and WP were offered to put some 'supervisors' on their boards. They tried to steal TVN from the Americans. They wanted to impose special taxes on the media and label them as foreign agents. We know that in some cases these attempts were successful. Were the JF advertising transfers another tool to control the media? At this point, it looks more like an over-promotion of Ziobro, which was an opportunity to pump money into the PiS media and - possibly - buy favour from others. The case is appalling, but it is still a very, very long way from the both-sidesist thesis that 'all the media have sold out'
So it is quiet for now. Significant sums of money were given to media that already had some kind of agreement with PiS. The media that are directly owned by PiS received considerable sums of money. On the other hand, media outside these two groups received almost nothing. Here again, it is important to examine carefully whether journalistic ethics were definitely violated in exchange for financial benefits from the state.
I hope I have helped.
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2024.04.22 12:59 nonodesushin Disappointed

I just found out today that the girl I was pursuing was just 18 years old, I'm 30.
For context, 2 weeks ago, I caught this girl staring at me, we locked eyes and nagandahan ako sa mata niya sobra. From then on, tuwing magkakasalubong kami, titigan kami ng sobra and we would smile at each other. Up till today when I was planning on talking to her, I realized na she was just a first year student from a college nearby, and I was utterly disappointed so di ko na siya kinausap. She looked mature for her age, so I assumed na she was around 24-25. So ayun I was disappointed when I learned about it.
I do have my own values eh so pursuing her won't be my goal anymore. Was really hoping to break my 10 year straight of being single but alas that is life, we live, we learn, we move on.
I just wanted to get this off my chest so thanks for people who will come across this post 😆
Edit: Welp never expected this to blow up, thanks for the support! I hope maging civil din tayo sa discussions dito kasi it's a serious topic din eh.
Edit 2: For the people that say she's legal by age, I understand you. However it goes against my values and morality, which is why hindi ko siya ipurpursue. I may have been single for 1/3 of my life, pero it doesn't justify going against for what I believe. If I were to find someone in the future, well I'll be really happy. If I won't, then I'm happy too. I'm not gonna ruah things just because I haven't been in a relationship in a long time haha.
And to those who DM'd me thank you din.
Edit 3: Really didn't expect this to blow up haha, and to those commenting/messaging me thank you pero right now I'm not interested in looking to date, lalo na online. I'll be straightforward and will say that I'm not this prince in shining armor you think I am. I'm just this average joe going thru life in my own pace who goes by his own values and morales. Marami siguro nagiisip na I'm this very successful person in real life, pero it's quite the opposite haha. This isn't an open invitation and I don't wanna give anyone false hope 😫
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2024.04.17 20:43 PG23COLO NCIS Hawaii shreds Marines

Who is writing scripts for NCIS Hawaii, and does Gibbs (Mark Harmon) know this show is displaying (yesterday) an elite marine special combat unit as violent, out-of-control killers of civilians, who get in bar fights in teams, destroy a juke box, attack women, and kidnap, rape and murder a bar hostess, as a team? Sorry to see Daniela Ruah was the director of this trash.
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2024.04.05 07:27 Puzzleheaded_Net9243 Carmen gets on my damn nerves

I’m only on S2E6 but Carmen is so annoying, I need to release this. I don’t like the other maids either but she’s definitely my least favorite. I need to keep a running list of things she has done that have bothered me and I felt like sharing because ??!?? No spoilers please if she does get better but she’s irritating rn!
Annoying Moments:
  1. Stole Alejandro’s iPod to install her songs
  2. Got jealous and upset that Sam was hooking up with Julie even though she said she didn’t want to date him
  3. Sent Julie to the hospital because she triggered Julie’s dog allergies by putting the neighbor’s dog on Sam’s bed
  4. Told Sam she was never going to marry a butler
  5. Got mad and threw a temper tantrum during her fake Mrs. Alejandro era because Odessa wouldn’t cater to her needs
  6. Almost made Alejandro’s funeral an audition for herself because she found out the music industry was attending
  7. Sabotaged the other candidate in her interview to be Spence’s maid
  8. Read Ty’s therapy journal and STOLE his poem for her song, and didn’t see anything wrong with that
  9. Got mad that Marisol wouldn’t set her up with a job through her agency because Marisol didn’t think she was a good maid (true), then said “who cares about being a good maid?”
  10. Wished that Blanca was dead just because she didn’t return her dress
  11. Told Evelyn about Genevieve’s sex tape to save herself from getting fired after she told Rosie she wouldn’t … which got Genevieve’s sex taps leaked
  12. Carmen is such a bitch “I’m the hot, she’s the dumb one, Zoila is the mean one, and you’re the other one”
  13. tried to take money out of Marisol’s purse bc she didn’t want to pay for lunch since she was getting her nails done
  14. Doesn’t ever want to work. Made Deion do her housework
  15. Lazy maid, lazy guardian
  16. Zoila was wrong for pretending to be rich but Carmen was annoying for going off script when Zoila paid her to act like her maid for that one party. Also Carmen was originally supportive of this lie and stopped Zoila from telling the truth, so why did she have such a problem at the party if it was just an act?????
  17. Stealing Daniela’s gig
Will update as I watch!
Edit: I’ve finished. Rosie and Carmen are now tied for most annoying. Thank you Marc Cherry for not killing off Genevieve and keeping her all four seasons
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2024.03.26 14:19 Brides_match You'll need to look at me a minimum twice since the first impression can be wrong or not full.

You'll need to look at me a minimum twice since the first impression can be wrong or not full.
You'll need to look at me a minimum twice since the first impression can be wrong or not full. If you think, that I am a confident and passionate woman, who is open to a meeting with her future partner, my congratulations, it's already some right facts about me. Thru photos it may seems that I am just hot but I want to add that I am also faithful to my choices those was made on my life path. I will be playful with my man, but I would never play with his feelings. So what do you think?
I want to meet a man with an open heart, good sense of humor, and the ability to love without any conditions!
Dating Daniela

https://preview.redd.it/giq9mcesioqc1.jpg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dfc467bc85bbb22af2c4cae4afa78ca2293ca65
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2024.03.21 13:41 Wintergirl1270 How the Windsor Women Became Human Shields

There was a great editorial in the NYT yesterday about how the Windsor women are always thrown under the bus.. I wish that faux feminist Chandra would cover it, However, it mentions Camilla and Kate in the same breath as Diana and Meghan, and we all know that the Kommentariat think Kate deserves every bad thing that happens to her.
This is behind a pay wall, but I’m posting everything but the intro.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/20/opinion/kate-middleton-photoshop.html
Princes might occasionally be turned into frogs, but princesses always seem to end up as villains or scapegoats and be used to deflect heat or criticism, should their husbands require it.
It happened to Diana Spencer, to Sarah Ferguson, to Camilla Parker Bowles, before she was Queen Camilla. It happened to Meghan Markle, whose trials were worsened by racism. In its own way, it happened to Wallis Simpson. It happened to Kate Middleton — when she and Prince William were dating but not yet engaged, she was portrayed as a wily social climber and called “Waity Katie.” After they married, it looked as if Catherine might become the rule-proving exception, the single privileged Windsor wife allowed to float above the fray.
But now, Catherine, Princess of Wales, has taken her place where every royal and royal-adjacent woman ends up: in the hot seat. With all fingers pointing at her.
As you know unless you’ve been under a rock with your hands over your eyes, the palace recently released a photograph of Catherine smiling with her three adorable children — one of the first glimpses the public had of her since before January, when it was announced that she was recovering from planned abdominal surgery and would not be taking up her public duties again until after Easter.
It took the internet about a minute to see that the photo had been retouched, and we were asked to believe that Catherine alone was responsible for photoshopping the photo (badly). The royal-watcher Daniela Elser branded her a “chaos-bringer” and a “global figure of humiliation and mockery.” The “royal say-so,” she wrote, “will now be doubted for years to come.” (This, we’re to understand, is solely because Catherine photoshopped a photograph of her children for Instagram. The palace’s record on communications was, of course, unimpeachable.)
Why do Windsor women so consistently come in for this kind of treatment? Start with the fact that the royals don’t actually rule Britannia or anything else. Think of them as a family business that doesn’t make anything except babies and the case for British taxpayers to keep them around. Royals and their spouses have to prove, daily, that the monarchy is giving taxpayers value for their money; that kings and queens and lords and ladies are useful symbols, avatars of the nation’s character; that they are honest, steadfast and true.
In this system, the monarch is the most important. Male relatives are heirs or spares. The women have historically served as a combination of brood mares and mannequins. Their job is to stay thin, say little, look good in clothes and produce heirs who will stay thin, say little and look good in clothes. (Prince Philip was said to have approved of Diana’s entry into the family because she would “breed in some height.”)
When something threatens the reputation of a more senior, male Windsor, the women have another essential role: human shield.
Has King Edward VIII abdicated and run off to France to be with Wallis Simpson? Let’s be sure to blame the American divorcée.
Has Prince Charles taken a mistress? Blame his mom for not letting him marry his true love; blame his wife for not keeping him faithful. Oh, and call the mistress ugly.
Has Prince Harry declined to perform his family duties and decamped for sunny California? Let’s blame his “narcissistic” wife for ensorcelling him!
And perhaps everyone should have been paying closer attention to Prince Andrew’s friendship with Jeffrey Epstein instead of his wife’s weight.
While Meghan and Harry, like Diana before them, are now free to give interviews and authorize books, Catherine cannot defend herself. Instead, she’s stuck quietly enduring her own annus horribilis.
Her reticence about her health, her apparent unwillingness to share details of her ailment or pictures of her recovery, has been contrasted — unfavorably — with King Charles III’s candor about his cancer.
When she tried to give the people what they wanted — proof of life, by way of a polished image of happy family — and it backfired, that, too, was useful. Maybe her mea culpa was meant to make us see William as trustworthy and statesmanlike by comparison, a loyal husband, steadfastly caring for the kids while the princess plays with Photoshop and not (as readers of Harry’s memoirs might be forgiven for picturing) a brother-shoving, necklace-ripping, dangerous-to-dog-bowls hothead.
While internet sleuths pore over the latest grainy images in the British tabloids, which appear to show the prince and princess out and about at a farm shop, Catherine has maintained the silence that’s practically part of the job description.
The rule is never complain, never explain and — if it gets to be too much — never get help. Diana, suffering from bulimia, said that the family dismissed her as “unstable.” Meghan has said that she wanted to get professional help but that “I was told that I couldn’t, that it wouldn’t be good for the institution.” Royal women are expected to suck it up and live, with borrowed jewels on their fingers and a target on their backs.
Maybe there’s a happy ending to this royal mess. Maybe recent events will puncture, once and for all, the myth of Prince Charming and the happily ever after he’ll bring. Maybe 10 years from now, a generation of teenage girls will not be humming “Someday, My Prince Will Come” and dreaming of Prince George sweeping them off their feet. Maybe we won’t ask another Diana, Meghan or Catherine to trade her voice and her agency for a nice wardrobe, a televised wedding and a lifetime of ribbon cutting and silent smiling.
As the fairy tales (Grimm, not Disney) tell us, nothing is ever free. The bill always comes due. And, for the not-so-merry wives of Windsor, the price has always been too high.
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2024.03.05 17:37 ProgrammingArchive Latest News From Upcoming C++ Conferences (03/05/2024)

Every two weeks this thread will be updated with the latest news from C++ events that are coming up:

C++Online - https://cpponline.uk/

C++Online is an online only C++ conference is designed to provide a more accessible option for those who might find attending other in-person international conferences more difficult or financially restrictive.
Latest News: The main conference ran last week. However, there is still a one day Concurrency Workshop from Rainer Grimm on the 14th March that can be purchased at https://cpponline.uk/registration
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ACCU - https://accuconference.org/

The ACCU Conference is a conference by programmers for programmers about programming with a strong focus on C++.
Workshops: Monday 15th & Tuesday 16th April
Main Conference: Wednesday 17th February - Saturday 20th February
Location Online & In-Person at Bristol, England
Registration: Early bird registration is now live and will end on 6th March! https://accuconference.org/pricing. Tickets for the full conference start from £895 + VAT (with student tickets being £195 + VAT) but are cheaper to ACCU members - so join up today if you're not already a member: https://accu.org/menu-overviews/membership/
Latest News:
After delays, ACCU have now released the full schedule for the conference (which includes the previously announced workshops) https://accuconference.org/2024/schedule
Because of the delays in releasing the schedule, Early Bird registration has been extended to end tomorrow (6th March)
Then the conference is also looking for:
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C++Now - https://cppnow.org/

Join us in-person for five days of C++ content, including C++ talks, group chats and networking at the Aspen Center for Physics which offers a unique and lively environment for thought, education, and collaboration.
Main Conference: Monday April 29th - Friday 3rd May
Location: In-Person at Aspen, Colorado
Registration: Is now open! More information can be found here https://cppnow.org/announcements/2024/02/2024-registration-is-open/ with ticket prices costing $1500
Latest News:
No news at the moment. However, am expecting an announcement of accepted talks in the next few days.
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using std::cpp 2024 - https://eventos.uc3m.es/105614/detail/using-std-cpp-2024.html

using std::cpp 2024 is the largest Conference on C++ in Spain. It aims to serve as a forum to exchange experiences in the use of the C++ programming language, which pays special attention to last versions of the language, as well as upcoming features
Main Conference: Wednesday 24th - Friday 26th April
Location: In-Person at Madrid, Spain
Registration: Registration is now open with a minimum early registration cost of 25 € https://eventos.uc3m.es/105614/detail/using-std-cpp-2024.html
Latest News: The program was published here https://eventos.uc3m.es/105614/programme/using-std-cpp-2024.html
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C++OnSea - https://cpponsea.uk/

C++ on Sea is an international C++ conference taking place by the sea, in the UK.
Workshops: Tuesday 2nd July
Main Conference: Wednesday 3rd - Friday 5th July
Location: In-Person at Folkestone, England
Registration: Is now open! https://cpponsea.uk/tickets/ with Early Bird available for £425 + VAT. More of an explanation about the different options are available here https://cpponsea.uk/news/early-bird-tickets-now-available-with-a-new-option.html and all registrations include access to next week's C++Online Main Conference (or if you register after next week, then it will be for C++Online 2025)
Latest News:
The Call for Speakers is still open but will close on 8th March. More information can be found at https://cpponsea.uk/callforspeakers/
Then C++OnSea have also announced Daniela Engert, Dave Abrahams & Klaus Iglberger as their keynote speakers https://cpponsea.uk/news/keynote-speakers-for-cpp-on-sea-2024.html
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CppNorth - https://cppnorth.ca/

Building from the success of the Toronto user group, CppNorth will bring together local and visiting speakers for three days filled with opportunities to learn, network and discover what is new in the C++ community.
Dates: Sunday 21st - Wednesday 24th July
Location: In-Person at Toronto, Canada
Registration: CppNorth have opened their early bird ticket registration which will finish on Monday 15th April https://store.cppnorth.ca/products/cppnorth-2024
Latest News:
The call for speakers has now closed.
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CppCon - https://cppcon.org

CppCon is the annual, week-long face-to-face gathering for the entire C++ community. Taking place this year in Aurora, Colorado, near the Denver airport, and including multiple diverse tracks, the conference will appeal to anyone from C++ novices to experts.
Workshops: Saturday 14th & Sunday 15th September, Saturday 21st & Sunday 22nd September
Main Conference: Monday 16th - Friday 20th September
Location: In-Person in Aurora, Colorado
Latest News:
The deadline to submit a class/workshop proposal for the CppCon Academy has now passed.
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2024.02.14 22:10 Own_Beginning_1678 Blake's Blunders 3: Hot Under The Collar

"Fucking...Stupid...Chauvinist...Pig!", grunted Blake, who had been pummelling on gym punching bag with such ferocity that even the damage Yang usually inflicted on it paled in comparison.
Such was her fury at her constant losses in her (Decidedly one-sided) rivalry with Cardin Winchester.
Her every attempt to curb his human supremacy, misogyny or general dickishness had been foiled by the laws of reality making her their personal jester.
"How? How does he always get away with it!?", she shrieked, giving one last tired spin-sidekick. Sighing, she sat down on one of the many benches in the gym and took a drink of water.
"Letting off some steam?", Blake turned to see Coco Adel sitting beside her.
"You could say that", she grunted.
The fashionista idly typed at her Scroll. "Care to share?"
Normally Blake hated people prying into her business, but considering she was put on a "No Preaching" restriction on a 3-1 vote because her team couldn't accept the hard truths of reality (they were tired of her speeches) so figured Coco was as good as anyone to vent to.
"It's Cardin."
"Oh, Velvet's boyfriend?"
Blake growled at the painful reminder that Velvet, that sell-out, adored that racist prick and had recently verbally destroyed her in the cafeteria.
"Yes. Him." Blake exhaled, letting her head fall into her hands. "All I'm trying to do is educate the world on the blatant, unjust treatment my people suffer, day in and day out!", she screamed...in a gym full of human and faunus students getting along, a fact that totally escaped her.
"Well, have you considered trying to champion your people WITHOUT sticking it to Cardin?"
"As if I'd give him the satisfaction of beating me."
"Now, now, it doesn't have to be that way. Think about it. The running theme is, every time you try to call Cardin out, he turns it around to make you look bad, right?"
"Hmmm", Blake couldn't deny this was true.
"So, why not strike while he's away?" Coco leaned in close to Blake. "I know for a fact he's away with Velvet for the next weak to meet her parents. Something about her father giving him a tour of the Atlas arms factory. He won't be around to ruin anything."
A ray of hope emerged. Coco was right. Without Cardin there to muddy the narrative, she could finally bring the struggle of Faunus kind to Beacon's attention. And when he returned, his twisted spell would be broken. Oh and how he would TREMBLE, facing the full wrath of an awakened Faunus student body, no longer blinded by his cheap tricks!
"You may be on to something Coco. I have to act now!"
"Atta girl", Coco smiled, putting her Scroll back into her luxury handbag only to groan, pulling out a collar. "Uh, another one? Velvet, how many times do I have to tell you to put your things in your own bag?"
At the sight of the offending item, Blake scowled in disgust, only to grin with an idea.
"I'll take that. I have an idea."
(Sometime Later at Beacon Courtyard)
Outside the statue Blake and a thoroughly tired Yang stood beneath a "Rise Up" banner. Blake placed a box on the ground, stood up and spoke into the megaphone, "Sisters of the Faunus struggle against human chauvinism, I call upon you to lend me your ears!"
Everyone continued to do whatever they were doing.
Yang sighed and took the megaphone. "Please just listen to her. She'll be here all day if you don't and I wanna go to bed."
Everyone groaned but complied and a tired Yang passed a smiling Blake her megaphone back. The blonde then pulled out a copy of "Jugs and Ammo" and waited for the inevitable shitshow to ensue and blow over.
"Sisters, I hold in my hand, the instrument of our objectification and enslavement", she sad, raising Velvet's collar into the air. "This is what they want us reduced to. Pets. Animals for their amusement."
"Uh...who wants us to do that? You're losing me here?", Martha a monitor lizard Faunus called out, already sounding bored.
"I'm so glad you asked sister", Blake replied, earning an eye-roll from Martha. "This collar belongs to non other than our indoctrinated fellow Faunus, Velvet Scarletina!"
The crowd gasped. Blake grinned, but only because she was too gone in her drama to be able to notice it wasn't gasps of shock and horror but...intrigue.
"Wait. She wears that and he...likes is?", Daniella, an elegant horse Faunus tentatively asked, her hooves trotting excitedly.
"Yes. Can you imagine it? Can you imagine the humiliation, the degradation, the objectification-"
"The exaggeration", Yang butted in, earning a growl from Blake. She steadied herself and returned to her rant.
"This collar, is a sign of our debasement to humanity. It is a symbol of the lie that we are beneath humanity. Well I say-" Tossing the Collar into the air and slicing it in half, "NO MORE! I say, we demonstrate our refusal of this fascist piece of so-called clothing in a school wide demonstration. Sisters, I call upon you to gather these icons of oppression and do as I have done. We will be like the heroes of our mothers age of bra burning, only this time, collar cutting. Who's with me!?"
The crowd cheered and rushed off.
Blake placed her hands on her hips proudly. She did it. Cardin wasn't here to stop her this time. She finally got them on her side. "Now THAT is more like it, eh Yang?"
"Hmm? Oh sorry. Speaking of bras, check out this article", Yang nonchalantly showing a page of her magazine. "Apparently I can get proper back support AND armour piercing rounds at a discount if I start shopping at "Bombshells." Pretty sweet deal."
Blake sighed. Oh well, at least she could awake to a new dawn. This was her moment.
(The Next Day)
THIS WAS TERRIBLE
Blake stood wide-eyed in horror.
The Faunus girls certainly had followed her cry to gather collars for the demonstration tomorrow. Indeed, she even noticed plenty of Faunus girls outside of Beacon had arrived.
There was just one, itsy, bitsy problem.
They didn't bring them to destroy them in a gesture of solidarity.
They were WEARING them.
"WHYYYYY?!", Blake fell to her knees, practically bawling.
All around her, Faunus girls had worn collars and were seen chatting up human boys.
"I...I don't get it...This can't be happening. This is all just a bad dream. Yes, I'm dreaming."
Yang, who had showed up for emotional support for the inevitable backfire, rolled her eyes. She knew what Blake's dogma wouldn't let her see.
(Yang's POV Yesterday)
"BLAH BLAH BLAH HUMANS. BLAH BLAH BLAH COLLARS. BLAH BLAH BLAH PETS!"
Yang zoned in and out of her partners rants and decided to tune her ears to something a little softer on the her nerves. It was then she got a preview of why Blake's latest plan was doomed. As she zoned in on the Faunus girls talking, it all became clear,
"Did you hear? The crazy cat lady said if we were collars, cute human boys will want to date us!"
"Velvet did it and it got her that HUNK Cardin. Hey, maybe if I try it, Tommy might finally ask me out."
"Ooh, I've got to get a good one! Something that says, "Please love me and keep me forever and ever!"
Yang sighed, knowing her partner wasn't listening to her own audience.
(Back to Present)
Blake looked on as the horror show played all around her.
"W-W-Wow, Martha. Your collar is so cute", a flustered Tommy pointed at the punk lizard's pink collar.
"There's a lot about me tastes you don't know Tommy boy", Martha cooed, pulling the dumbstruck boy closer with her tail. "Maybe we can find out more about each other?"
"I'd love that."
Blake turned away, only to see Daniela, being bathed in compliments for her beautiful gem-embroided collar.
"It's so elegant Daniela. It really brings out your eyes", Ralph, something of a running champion and Daniela's secret crush on the track said with genuine adoration.
"Oh thank you Ralph. Say, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind going for a stroll in the Forest. Just us?"
"I'd love to. I see you every day, but somehow, I feel like I'm only really SEEING you for the first time."
"You can see much more of me later", a still blushing Daniela teased.
Blake crumpled to the floor. "Is there any Faunus here NOT wearing those damn things!?"
"I'm not", Ilia perked up.
"Ilia. Oh thank the Gods, at least someone has sense."
"Of course I'm not wearing one...not until I'm absolutely sure which one to choose that is."
"...Wha?" Blake pathetically mumbled.
The giddy Chameleon girl produced two collars. "So, what do you think. Do I go with Blue that says, "I'm a loving, affectionate girl that just wants a big human to praise her and give her cuddles" or red that says, "I'm a rebellious bratty Faunus that needs a firm hand to learn how to behave?" Sweet? Spicy? Sweet? Spicy? Ooooh, help me choose Blake, the sale isn't on for very long!"
Blake was about to rant in fury at Ilia's betrayal when Yang said,
"Purple."
As if in slow motion, Blake gave Yang a slack-jawed death glare that had zero effect on the brawler.
"Purple?", parroted Ilia.
"Yeah. Sounds like you want a bit of sweet and spice. Purple gives off that regal, uppity feeling that says you need to be disciplined, but it also has that silly fun vibe after all the discipline is over, so you can be the cute and bubbly girl once the conquest is over."
Ilia put her hands to her face. "Of COURSE! Why didn't I think of that? Oh you're a life saver Yang. Imma go get a purple collar right now. Ooh, maybe one with a cute bell. Thanks Yang, And thanks Blake", Ilia said, hugging a frozen Blake. "This was such a cool idea." Ilia sped off.
"Yaaaaaaannnng?", Blake whined.
"What? Gotta help a girl out."
Blake clutched Ilia's abandoned collars in rage. How could this have happened? How could this all go so wrong? How could....
"The sale won't last forever", she numbly repeated Ilia's words.
How could there be a sale so quickly...just as soon as collars where in demand...like someone knew this was going to happen...
Blake TORE the collars in half, Yang took a step back in slight concern and Blake roared to the Heavens,
"COOOOOOOOCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOO!"
(Coco's Dorm)
"Let's see. 2300, 2400, 2500, oh I LOVE counting Lien", she chuckled.
"Just remember my 25% for coming up with the plan. Oh, and a free collar to make up for the one V sacrificed", chuckled Cardin from Coco's screen.
"Why Cardin I am WOUNDED", Coco melodramatically chided. "I am a businesswoman of my word. And it's the least I can do for this latest trend you helped establish."
"It was easy. All we had to do was get Blake to mention how well the collar worked for Velvet and I and let nature take it's course."
"Indeed", smiled Coco. "You're Lien will be wired over shortly. Give my best to Velvet."
"Will do." Cardin hung up.
"Now, where was I? Ah yes, 2500, 2600, 2700", Coco sighed happily. "It's like mother always said, "Coco, behind every great activist, was an even better capitalist to turn politics into profit. No wonder she loved the Atlas military."
The End.
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2024.01.31 21:05 DanieaFox12 I'm an idiot for what I did to my boyfriend. He didn't deserve it. Part final

I talked with Fer for a couple of hours; he looked so happy while I tried to behave still. Then he said, 'Oh, we're out of groceries; we need to buy some.' I happily agreed, and we went out in his car. He looked so different; it had been a while since I last got in. The seats felt different, and the dashboard looked decorated; I was surprised to see it like that. We arrived at the mall and started buying things. Fer always bought me a box of cookies; he knew I loved them. We passed by the aisle, and usually, he would put them in the cart without me saying anything, but today was different. We passed by the same aisle, and I hoped he would do it, but he didn't. I decided to put them in the cart myself.
I got distracted for a couple of minutes replying to a work message, and I saw Fer talking to a woman. She looked pretty, had heels on, and good attributes. I couldn't help but feel jealous; it made me angry. I wanted to grab that woman by the hair and drag her away; she was with Fer. I approached, and he seemed not to care. The woman introduced herself, and Fer said, 'This is Daniela, a friend. Daniela, this is my cousin Carmen.' I felt relieved that I didn't realize what Fer said. We finished shopping, grabbed some food, ate, didn't say much; Fer was mostly on his phone. Hours passed, and it was close to 8:00 pm.
I returned to the room, realizing we hadn't been intimate, and maybe it was a way to ease my jealousy. I took a bath, put on perfume, and lingerie. Around 9:00 pm, Fer entered the room. I asked if he wanted to spend the night; he said yes, but I hoped he would pounce on me. Instead, he turned on his video game console. I soon realized he was playing COD with several friends online. To say I felt sad is an understatement. However, it gave me an idea.
Fer has always told me that when he was younger, his Waifu was Chun-Li, the Street Fighter girl. Sometimes I caught him watching H of her when we were still in university, so I decided to surprise him. I spent the week while working searching for cosplay costumes, ordered a Chun-Li costume package, and told a coworker that I wanted to surprise my boyfriend. So the package arrived at his house. On Friday, I asked for permission to leave work earlier. I planned all of this during the week and stayed 2 extra hours from Monday to Thursday to make up for the time. My boss is understanding and gave me permission. I arrived home, took a bath, put on perfume, used my most romantic perfume, lowered the room lighting, put on my costume, and was impatient for Fer to arrive. When I heard that he had arrived, I was happy. He entered the room, and I surprised him with my costume. He was surprised to see me because he knows that I've never liked those things, but he wanted to impress me. He simply said it looked good on me. I told him I had a surprise and to find out, he had to take off the costume. I said it in a sensual and suggestive tone, but I didn't expect his response. He simply said, "No, thank you." In an instant, I felt like my world was crumbling. It was as if a part of me had broken. The indifference in his tone and his lack of interest hit me like a punch in the stomach. I was paralyzed; a feeling of emptiness and sadness invaded me, and I couldn't stop the tears from flowing uncontrollably. It was a deep and heartbreaking cry; it was as if a spark inside me had gone out. The look of concern on Fer's face as he approached me showed that at least he had noticed my pain, but nothing seemed the same anymore. I collapsed into his arms; it was the first time I had broken down like that. My sobs filled the room, and my tears soaked Fer's arms. I didn't want to let go of him; I needed his support more than ever. "Fer, please tell me... Who is your date?" I asked through tears, begging for answers. But Fer remained silent, offering me comfort with his serene presence. My questions came one after another, loaded with anguish and pain: "What does she have that I don't? Do you love her? What sets us apart?" His look at me was discreet, as if my questions took him by surprise. But his response, or rather the lack of it, was an even deeper wound. "Tell me, Fer," I continued through tears. "We had an agreement. If you love her more than me, then there's no point in living with you." I didn't expect what he told me. I don't have any dates or go out with anyone. What? You seem so happy in the past few months, with those girls in your photos, your late-night outings, arriving late on weekends. He proceeded to explain that my decision to open the relationship hurt him, that in short, I made the decision for both of us, but he accepted seeing me happy with Dom. What hurt him the most was seeing me with Frank, the same friend of Ben who said things to him and made him feel bad. He explained that he was coming home late because he had resumed his kickboxing training, reconnected with his anime and gaming fanatic friends. He told me that the weekend I was at my parents' house, he was in a kickboxing tournament, where he placed second. He said that he had these hobbies before but since he met me and accepted being his girlfriend, he had prioritized going out with me over his interests because he liked me more. I asked about the vacation, and he simply said that my decision affected him a lot and that he stopped considering me his girlfriend; now he simply saw me as a good friend, which is why he couldn't say it was a couples' trip. He also reminded me that I hadn't paid the rent or the electricity bill, only once. He didn't want to pressure me because he knew I had just started working and didn't earn much. At that moment, Fer's words opened my eyes; I cried a lot. I realized my mistake; I was foolish; I hadn't realized that I had always been a selfish bitch with him. I apologized, I told him I should have intervened when Ben was bothering him. I realized I shouldn't blame him for not picking up my package and even more for forcing him to see me with other men. We talked for a couple of hours; I asked for a second chance. At first, he didn't want to; he knew he didn't feel the same as before, but he finally gave me hope. He said we needed therapy, individually. He said I needed to reignite that spark in him; he still loves me but doesn't love me anymore, and I know I need to work on that. I'm currently in therapy where I realized that we both made mistakes. The therapist recommended that I vent to other people as a process to learn to listen and accept opinions without them being people I know. I still live with Fer because I can't afford a larger apartment. I've tried to get closer to Fer little by little; we go out as friends, but I still consider him my boyfriend, and I know I shouldn't have hurt him.
I'm willing to listen to advice on how to recover him; I love him, and I don't want to lose him. What can I do? What advice do guys give me? What advice do girls give me? Thank you, and I really hope with all my heart that you can help me. I truly regret having done it.
Some users call me a bitch and of course im a bitch he is a good boy, he was a really great boyfriend, now im criying by my decision.
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2024.01.31 20:42 DanieaFox12 I'm an idiot for what I did to my boyfriend. He didn't deserve it.

This confession is long and painful, but I was advised to share it to get input from others. I've already posted this story in other Reddit communities, but as I said, I was advised to confess to release the pain I carry. I admit that I don't deserve compassion because I'm a selfish bitch.
My name is Daniela, and this is my confession. I met Fernando, my boyfriend (I don't know if I should still call him that), in college, where we were both studying different majors. We had a relationship of over 7 years. Our relationship began with unforgettable moments and gestures full of tenderness. We complemented each other perfectly, although there were differences between us; he was an athletic guy passionate about video games and manga, an architect, and a kickboxing practitioner, while I was more about receiving attention and had a bossy and narcissistic tendency. I was a tourism student, and I loved Fer. After graduating, I moved into his apartment; he took care of the apartment expenses while I looked for a job. Finally, I got a simple job, but it was financially helpful. During my first month of work, I got along well with my colleagues, including Dom, an attractive man from another country. However, I don't remember any bad intentions on his part. Fer and I used to share memes and videos to brighten our days, and we did it daily.
In my fifth month of work, my personal computer had a keyboard breakdown, and I had ordered more things by courier. I had a heavy workload and sometimes took work home; I couldn't do much if my equipment was broken. I sent Fer a message to ask if he could pick up my package, but neither of us was able to receive it the first time, and they returned it to the courier service. Fer replied with a clear 'I'll make some space, love you.' I had a work meeting, and when I got home, I didn't see Fer or my package. I called him a couple of times, and there was no answer; I called the courier service, and they confirmed that the package was still with them. I got very upset, I took a taxi and picked up my package; I was upset; I had only asked him for one thing, and he hadn't done it; I got upset. When Fer got home, he greeted me, tried to kiss me, and the first thing I did was complain about my package. He said he was sorry, that he was in a work meeting; I told him that my job was important too. We argued very loudly; I got upset and went to sleep in another room.
The next day, I told my coworkers about the situation; they said it was normal to argue with your partner, maybe we should talk. I followed their advice; when I got home, Fer apologized for not understanding my needs; I told him it was okay, not to neglect me so much. He ordered Chinese food, and we watched a movie together; I had an incredible time with him that night. The days went by, and one day I received a message from Fer, where he said, 'Honey, did you pay the electricity and internet?' I didn't respond to the message; I forgot; I was finishing up something I had to do. I finished my day, and I saw Fer looking worried; he mentioned the electricity and internet. I simply told him I'll do it tomorrow, and he said the deadline was today. I said, 'Oh, I hope you paid it.'
Fer said, 'I did, honey, you should be more careful about this.' I simply said, 'I don't see the problem if you paid it.' He just told me to be more careful, that we almost lost the internet; I told him I was busy, but in a more annoyed tone. He said he didn't want to start arguing; I simply replied that not everything revolves around him. I don't remember what we said, but I complained, and we started arguing again; I got mad; I told him I didn't want to see him.
Our relationship went through ups and downs; we argued constantly over small things, and I usually initiated the arguments. Despite this, there were weeks when our relationship was almost perfect. On the advice of my colleagues, I sought advice on the internet and came across some sexuality forums. I have always been curious about sexuality, and after searching for advice online, I discovered the idea of ​​having an open relationship, although I did not see it as an option.
One weekend, Fer suggested taking a vacation together. Although he preferred a cabin, I managed to convince him to go to a resort for more privacy, and we booked for within 5 months.
The following weekend, we had a family gathering at my parents' house, and we decided that Fer would accompany me. Although he usually has no problems with my family, there have always been tensions between him and my cousin Ben. Fer drove to my parents' house, a three-hour journey, and when we arrived, I was excited to spend time with my family.
Everything was going well until Ben arrived and sat at the table with us during the meal. Fer became serious when Ben started making jokes and throwing indirect comments about him. The situation worsened when a friend of Ben's, Frank, joined the table and started flirting with me, but that's just Frank.
Fer was clearly uncomfortable and could not bear Ben's provocations any longer. Finally, after a series of insults and a joke about Fer's profession that made me laugh, Fer lost his patience and kicked Ben in the face, leaving him lying on the floor. The scene was shocking to everyone present.
Fer apologized and left the house. I went after him to try to calm him down, but instead, I ended up arguing with him about his behavior. I felt embarrassed in front of my family because of what happened; Fer told me he was going home. I didn't respond, and I got angry with him.
The next day, I tried to contact Fer to talk about what happened, but he didn't respond. I spent the next day with Ben and other friends, and at the end of the day, when I expected Fer to come for me, he didn't. I had to ask my father for help to get home.
When I finally got home, I found Fer playing video games as if nothing had happened. I got angry and turned off his console, not knowing how to resolve our differences.
Fer was playing when I confronted him about his behavior at the party. We started arguing, and I asked him to apologize, but he refused, showing concern for my mood. At that moment, I thought about ending the relationship, although I really wanted to marry him. After analyzing online advice about relationships, I decided to talk to him.
I told him that our relationship was deteriorating and presented him with two options: to end it or to have an open relationship. Fer initially rejected the idea, but after a deeper conversation and showing him online information and the idea of ​​leaving him because we argued quite a bit, he began to consider it. I explained that lately we had been drifting apart due to our work commitments and other things, and that this could be a solution to keep us happy together. After a moment of reflection, Fer finally agreed to give it a try, and we decided to move forward together but in a different way.
We established some rules in this:
  1. We will notify each other with whom we are and send a photo (my rule).
  2. Protection will be used if it is a new partner (my rule).
  3. There is no cheating if both parties agree (my rule).
  4. Lovers will not be taken to family events (Fer's rule).
  5. At family events, we will bring the official partner (my rule).
  6. It will not be limited to a single partner (my rule).
We both signed the agreement, and I told him I hoped we would work on our relationship; he simply said okay and went to bed. Now I had to focus on myself and strengthen my relationship; I believed that was what I needed. In the following weeks, I started flirting with Dom; I must say that when I got home, I stayed later to chat with him. After 3 weeks of flirting, I sent Fer a photo of Dom; he responded with an eggplant emoji. I went home to have a date with Dom; there was Fer, playing with a friend. He looked very focused, and yet he greeted me, hugged me. I told him I would be back later and changed my dress; I put on a red dress that I hadn't worn in a while. I left home, and Dom was waiting for me. I went to his house, and what had to happen happened; Dom is a great, very passionate lover. We had relations a couple of times, and I asked him to take me home; he was kind and left me at home. I found Fer asleep; he looked cute. He felt me arrive and woke up. 'Are you okay?' he asked. I said yes. He said, 'Okay,
Would you like to have dinner? he asked. I replied no, and we simply went to bed; I wrapped my arm around Fer, and he kissed my hand.
I woke up to find Fer having breakfast; he had prepared it. We had breakfast, talked about my previous day, not about my night with Dom, but about other things. We enjoyed ourselves and said goodbye. I arrived at work, and it was a productive day. This attitude lasted for a couple of weeks; I went out with Dom and sent photos to Fer to let him know who I was with. The arguments had decreased, and my work productivity had increased. However, I remembered rule 6; it could cause problems if I only went out with Dom, so I remembered Frank. I sent him a message to meet on Friday night, and he agreed.
On Friday, I arrived home early, dressed in a red dress, and put on makeup. I wanted to impress both Fer and Frank. Frank picked me up, and I explained that I didn't want anything serious or sentimental, just to spend the night. He said there was no problem. I sent a photo to Fer, but he didn't respond; he just saw it. I won't go into details about what happened with Frank, but I'll leave it to your imagination.
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2024.01.12 05:21 Certain_Problem4952 Daniela's part in blackout

Ok so I've watched the movie twice and listened to the soundtrack a million tines over but this is still driving me crazy. During Blackout, Daniela and Carla are on the phone to separate people and I looked up the translation of Daniela's call but I can't figure out who she's talking to. She's essentially telling someone (who she calls "mi amor") to go to "Abuela's house" (I assume Claudia) to see if she has a candle. In the song no one else seems to be on the phone or mention that Daniela called and all the people that end up at Abuela Claudia's house seem to have done so at their own accord. When I first watched it i thought she had a kid but then i realised that made no sense and in the movie she's dating Carla so it couldnt be some partner off-screen either. Someone please tell me who she was speaking to??
Daniela's part is translated not un the brackets
Look, my love, do me a favor (Oh god, so much panic) Wake up grandma and maybe she has a candle (The crowd was manic, with everybody screaming-) I was dancing when the blackout came (And shoving and shouting and slapping and everyone's frantic) There are people here but I don't know who they are! (What's happening with you?
Also I don't have the same issue with Carla's phonecall because she's just describing what happened so I feel she could've been talking to anyone
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2023.12.03 20:07 reythevampirehunter I'm Rey and I think werewolves live at Tyler State Park

"Are we there yet?" Jess whines for the millionth time from the backseat.
Well, not literally the millionth time. That would be…physically impossible, I think. Actually I think I Googled that once and it said that it would take like twelve days or so? So maybe it’s not actually impossible. But it probably meant twelve days without stopping, and you would probably get really thirsty if you were doing that. Might even lose your voice. And Jess definitely hasn’t lost her voice. So it’s probably not the millionth time. But, you know, people just say that as a nicer of way of saying “you’re being really, really annoying.”
"Jess, I swear, if you ask that one more time I'm making you ride strapped to the roof rack for the rest of the trip," I threaten over my shoulder. Jess just sticks her tongue out at me before going back to braiding Daniela's hair. Those two have been joined at the hip since third grade.
Again, not literally—just to be clear. I feel like I should specify because there are real people who are joined at the hip. Conjoined twins. There’s a whole TV show about a set of such twins, I think. They’re also married…and…I don’t even want to know how that works. They’re not married to each other—to other people. And again, not something I want to learn more about. I just meant to clarify that that wasn’t the case for Jess and Daniela. They were just really good friends. We all were. I mean, duh—who goes camping with people you don't like?
I focus my attention back on the winding forest road, hoping we're close to the campground. Texas has a lot of great campsites, which may be surprising to some people who think the state is just a bunch of cowboys and cacti (apparently “cactuses” is also correct? But I grew up hearing “cacti,” which I think is also right, so cacti it is. I think it has to do with the Latin or something? Did anyone else’s mom make them study Latin outside of normal school?), but there are actually tons of places that are great for weekend getaways with friends like this.
Just expect to deal with things being hot. All. The. Time. Yes, even in the winter. This is Texas, after all. That, and unpredictable weather sometimes (besides the heat, I mean. Like rain and stuff. That’s what I’m talking about. No snow really.).
So when Jess and Daniela begged me to take them camping for winter break, a weekend of s'mores and probably a little bit of bug spray sounded kinda fun—heat aside. And maybe we’d get lucky—East Texas is known for having cooler weather than the south/west where I’m from.
But after six hours crammed in my ancient Honda Accord (fun Christian joke: did you know that I drove the same car that Jesus did? Yep, it’s true—John 12:49 says, quoting Jesus, “I did not speak of my own accord.” Ha. Haha.) blasting Taylor Swift though, I’m…starting to question my decision-making skills—just a little bit. Not because I don’t love my friends—they’re great—but something about what that vampire I killed had said a few months prior is still stuck in my head. The “end of all things.”
You know when a song gets stuck in your head but you just can’t get it out and you need to listen to the song again to get it out of your head but you’re afraid that having to listen to it again will just make it even more stuck in your head because your head is weird and you have anxiety sometimes? Yeah, that’s what I’m feeling right now. Nothing else unusual had really been going on since then. I’ve mostly been focused on getting adjusted to college life. But…I don’t know, I just have a feeling. “I have a bad feeling about this” kind of vibes (that’s Star Wars, for any of the uninitiated out there. Fun movies, but the new ones are overrated if you ask me.).
I spot a weathered wooden sign up ahead labeled “Tyler State Park” with a big map and an arrow pointing right down a narrow dirt road. "Oh thank goodness,” I mutter to myself, cranking the wheel. My little Honda rumbles down the bumpy path, tall pines whipping by on either side. After a few minutes, we enter a large clearing filled with tents and RVs ringed by the forest. There’s a large lake out on the other side. Great place for kayaking and stuff like that, if you’re into that sort of thing. I like this place because it’s not as far east as Houston but still lets you feel like you’re in the pine tree forest…which, I guess, is because you are in the pine tree forest.
Jess lets out an excited squeal. "It's so pretty!" She did actually squeal—I have an uncle out in west Texas who has a farm and he owns a number of farm animals, including some pretty cute oinkers. But boy, do they squeal. And Jess, somehow, bless her heart, has perfected the ability to squeal exactly like one of the piglets. She just…doesn’t realize it…and I haven’t had the heart to tell her. It’s fine, as long as she doesn’t end up dating a farmer boy or something like that. (Did anyone read that book, Farmer Boy, as part of the Little House on the Prairie series? I don’t really remember much about the book other than that the main character was always eating tons of pies and foods. Reminds me of a pig. Maybe that’s why Jess’s squeal made me think of that. Also I'm hungry.)
Squealer or not, Jess has a point, and I have to agree with her, as I take in the towering trees silhouetted against the setting sun.
“Looks like no rain this week!” Daniela calls out from the passenger seat.
“Will it be hot though?” I grumble, still thinking about squealing pigs on a hot day.
“Rey, it’s winter-time! Of course it won’t be hot!” She replies, scrolling absentmindedly through her weather app. No rain is a start. But really? That confident in no heat?
“Your overconfidence is your weakness,” I say, channeling the Emperor (Star Wars again), mimicking the raspy old evil dude’s voice. My friends just laugh—typical. But hey, no rain. Nice to know this outdoor excursion won't be a total bust. I find us a decent site that isn’t already occupied, park the car, and my friends help me pitch our tent as the daylight fades. Soon we have a cozy fire crackling away, the three of us huddled around it toasting marshmallows in preparation for our s’mores.
“Isn’t it kind of funny how we say the fire ‘crackles’ and then we make s’mores and stuff, which have marshmallows, and you use marshmallows to make rice crispy treats, and the literal slogan for Rice Crispies™ is ‘Snap, CRACKLE, pop’?” Daniela and Jess look at me. Jess rolls her eyes. “Oh my gawd, Rey. You’re so funny!” She and Daniela burst into laughter. I grin, despite myself—they’re used to my scatterbrained thoughts being live-streamed for them when we hang out like this. (And yes, I did say “trademark sign” out loud when I said that.)
“C’mon, Rey, tell us a scary story!” Jess demands, chocolate smeared all over her face. Daniela nods eagerly next to her.
I laugh. "Jess, we're already out in the middle of nowhere surrounded by what’ll soon be pitch darkness. Not creepy enough for you?"
Jess just sticks out her lip in an exaggerated pout. I pretend to think hard.
"Hmm alright, but don't say I didn't warn you." I scoot in closer to the fire. "So, rumor has it these very woods we're camping in tonight have some unusual inhabitants..."
I spin them a tale, drawing inspiration from some of my own wilder adventures. Daniela and Jess are soon clinging to each other, eyes wide.
“…and so, the beast dragged the man’s mangled body back to its lair, leaving a trail of blood in its wake..." I continue, dropping my voice lower. As I say this, a twig snaps loudly from the tree line behind us. Daniela shrieks as all three of us whip around.
My muscles instantly tense for action until I spot the culprit: A totally regular, non-supernatural squirrel perches on a low branch, tilting its head curiously at us. It’s carrying what is probably some kind of nut—and its cheeks are very fat-looking, I assume stuffed with more nuts. I’ve always found it so funny how obsessed squirrels are with nuts—to the point that they’ll literally stuff their cheeks full of them but then can’t actually eat them while doing so. But I guess that’s just to carry the nuts. And I guess that’s what happens when you don’t have pockets. You and me both, squirrel. Someone should start a clothing line for women that exclusively has pockets. That’d be pretty cool. Maybe a squirrel could be the mascot. No one would get the joke except me, though, so maybe not.
Jess bursts out laughing. "Oh man, nice going Daniela!"
Daniela shoves her, cheeks flushed. "That was scary, shut up!"
I join in their laughter, my pulse calming back down. "Maybe that's enough spooking each other for one night."
We chat for a while longer until the girls start yawning. It’s been a day—driving takes it out of you, even if all you’re doing is sitting there. We douse the dying fire and climb into our tent, zipping ourselves into our sleeping bags. Surrounded by the sound of wind whispering through the trees, we eventually drift off.
I awake some time later to an eerie howling piercing the night. My eyes fly open, instantly alert. Next to me Jess and Daniela slumber on, dead to the world. Not literally dead, I remind myself—just figuratively dead. Like a zombie. Haven’t seen one of those before—but supposedly they actually exist. Father Ben (he’s our residential bishop—and a close family friend; he is familiar with what we do. Makes confession time easier—not that killing vampires is a sin or anything) once said that a zombie is probably what would happen if someone ate from the Tree of Life while possessed by a demon. You’d basically be a walking dead person—dead soul and decomposing body but somehow weirdly alive and unable to fully die. My friends aren’t zombies, it just made me think of that.
Heart pounding, I quietly unzip my sleeping bag and grab the compact crossbow I covertly brought, just in case. It is Texas, so gun territory and all that, but there’s something about a trusty crossbow that just hits different. (Literally—you can’t shoot a wooden stake through the heart of a vampire with a pistol, but you can with a crossbow. It hits different, get it?) Plus, I want to try this thing out. My dad gave it to me as a birthday gift a while back and I hadn’t gotten a real opportunity to use it beyond practice—which I am getting pretty good at. Why he couldn’t have given it to me before I hunted that other vampire I told you about before (the one in the old abandoned hotel), I don’t know. It would have made things a lot less scary.
Unzipping the entrance, I carefully crawl out of the tent, scanning the dark woods, one hand resting on the crucifix on my belt. The howl sounds again from my left, closer this time. Too deep and guttural to be an ordinary wolf. Come to think of it, I’m not even sure if Tyler, Texas has wolves. Maybe they do. I should probably look that up next time I camp here…if there is a next time, of course. I creep towards the tree line, crossbow raised, and pull out a small but powerful flashlight I have fixed to the crossbow.
About twenty feet into the forest, my flashlight beam illuminates something hunched behind a rotten log, fur bristling, fangs bared. It takes me a second to process what I'm seeing. I see the large canine muzzle first, wet saliva dripping from bared fangs. The creature has a large dog’s shape and size, but its eyes are burning red instead of what I would expect from a dog or wolf. (Not literally burning—just like, glowing.) Its flesh ripples horrifically under the beam of my flashlight.
My breath catches as I feel fear choking my throat. Could it be...a werewolf? Weredog? I’ve researched werewolves but never actually encountered one. I assume weredogs could be real, too. But why here, and why now? Before I can ponder further, the beast lets loose a bone-chilling snarl and charges straight at me. So much for s’mores and bug spray. I guess I was right about things taking a “hairy” turn. My heart lurches as I leap sideways, barely avoiding the snarling beast’s snapping jaws.
"Whoah there, uh, boy?" I say uncertainly. Do you call were-creatures boy or girl based on their human or animal form? I have no idea. Not that I had a chance to inspect its, uh, you know. Plus who knows, maybe they're gender fluid? Daniela is always saying that gender is just a social construct—but I wonder how that applies to a werewolf with probably no social skills. I put a pin in that thought for later since Fangface here keeps attempting to use me as a chew toy.
I scramble up onto a nearby boulder, crossbow aimed steady in my hands. Down below, the creature prowls back and forth, its glowing crimson eyes following my every movement. I notice a strange symbol branded into its shoulder, still smoking faintly red - some kind of occult marking? My mind races to try and place it. An alchemy sign, perhaps? Before I can puzzle it out further, Wolfie McChewstein braces on its muscular haunches to spring.
I loose a bolt from the crossbow, striking the beast in the tail somehow. It yelps, more startled than injured, before rounding on me again with a ferocious roar.
"Yikes, sorry!" I yell instinctively. Wait, what is wrong with me?! I'm in mortal peril here, stop being so polite! I think it just reminded me of when I went hunting once with my dad and we found the perfect buck for dinner. I thought it would be so cool if I could show my dad how great of a shot I was. Except I hit the poor fool in the shoulder and didn’t kill it right away. I felt so bad. But that was just a normal deer, not at weredeer. I wonder if weredeers exist. Regardless—now isn’t the time for manners!
I hop to another rock barely in time to avoid a swipe of its claws. Think, I tell myself, panting hard. Silver! I need silver to fight a werewolf! My hand jumps to my neck where my silver (and most importantly, pointy-tipped) crucifix hangs…and I come up empty. Crap. I took it off when I was showering and we were in such a rush this morning that I left it in the bathroom at home. And of course didn’t bring silver bullets or other blades, rookie mistake. All I have are blessed oak bolts and a vial of holy water. The bolts seem about as bothersome as mosquito bites to this freakish hellhound.
Maybe I could try exorcising it? Though…I’ve never seen symbols like those markings before. Could be something more ancient, something...else. I rack my brain, wishing I paid better attention during Occult Studies 101 with Father Mike (he’s some distant second-removed uncle or what have you who’s both a priest and a family vampire et cetera hunter). But his class was honestly just not well taught. Remember, kids: just because you’re good at your job does not mean you should be a teacher.
The beast lets loose a bone-rattling roar of frustration as I leap just out of reach again. It braces to spring up the rock towards me, lips curled back to reveal rows of glistening fangs longer than my fingers.
"Down boy!" I shout in desperation, my fingers managing to wrap around the small vial in my pocket, popping the top off and splashing it with holy water. To my shock, the creature yowls in pain, smoke rising from its drenched fur. It staggers backward with a furious snarl, red eyes blazing. Huh. Maybe this thing isn’t a werewolf after all? They usually don’t react to holy water. But it sure ain't no ordinary wolf or dog either. I glance between the glowing symbol still searing its shoulder and the sizzling holy water dripping from its muzzle. Come on, think! Put the pieces together! There's something almost...demonic about this beast.
My eyes widen with sudden realization. Surely it couldn’t be that easy. Matthew 8 tells of a situation where Jesus cast demons out of a man and the demons possessed some pigs. The demons, for whatever reason drives demons to do anything, made the doomed oinkers jump off a cliff and into the ocean, where they drowned. Poor squealers. But the point is: demons can possess animals. It just is extremely rare—because what’s the point? The limited mental capacity of a common beast just doesn’t let the demon work as much evil as they could by possessing a human.
“Daemon, dimitte eum!!” I cry out, commanding the foul spirit lurking within to release its hold on what I suspect to be an otherwise innocent forest predator. I guessed right. The possibly-demon-wolf-but-still-possibly-Jacob-from-Twilight shrieks furiously as I reveal my awareness of its true nature. Heart pounding, I steady the crossbow once more—mostly for my own confidence than anything else. There’s just something about a sturdy crossbow that makes a gal feel confident in her abilities to expel Hell’s worst.
“Alright Fido, let's send you back to the pound.” Eyes locked on the prowling monster, I begin chanting the banishing prayer under my breath. Banishing prayers for demons aren’t complicated – but they don’t really tend to work unless the subject of the possession is either bound with secure restraints (which is why it wouldn’t have worked on Mr. Vampire from my last encounter), because the restraints help minimize the overall level of resistance they can give…or they’re so mentally weak that you can utter the right prayer. And possessed animals definitely fall into the latter group. Which is why any demon worth its salt won’t possess an animal if at all possible. Still, it is one terrifying sight to behold.
The demon-possessed wolf writhes on the ground, howling in pain as I finish the prayer. Black smoke starts pouring out of its mouth and nostrils. Gross. I didn’t realize demons smell so bad when they exit a body. I haven’t been this close before—smells like rotten eggs mixed with skunk spray. One time when I was twelve my brother convinced me to help him make stink bombs to get back at the school bullies. We looked up how to do it online using stuff from my dad’s garage. It involved mixing all these nasty chemicals that smelled so bad I almost barfed. David said real winners power through adversity or something like that. Easy for him to say with his shirt pulled up over his nose. Unfortunately, the stink bombs kind of exploded in our backpacks on the way to school because of the bumpy road we biked on…annnd yeah, you can imagine how well that plan worked.
Anyway, where was I? Oh right: demonic wolf exorcism. The dark wispy entity fully emerges from the creature’s body, coalescing into a vaguely humanoid shape with glowing red eyes and pointed teeth bared in a snarl. How cliché. Don’t demons have any originality? The bargain bin villain/demon vibe is so overdone. I bet this guy doesn’t even have a backstory or motivations beyond “rawr evil.” I mean…he possessed a wolf for crying out loud.
“Begone, foul fiend!” I shout, splashing the demon with holy water. It shrieks and dissipates into smoke—finally gone. The now-freed wolf left behind blinks dazedly then turns tail and races off into the dark woods. I breathe a sigh of relief, glad the innocent beast is free—and glad I didn’t fatally wound it with my crossbow earlier. I guess Twilight fans don’t have to riot over poor Jacob’s untimely demise after all.
I scan the surrounding trees warily in case the demon wolf was just a distraction from something worse lurking in the shadows. But the forest is calm and quiet once more, only the usual nighttime sounds of bugs and the occasional owl hoot or frog croak in the distance. Nothing to indicate the epic supernatural throw down that just went down minutes before. Talk about going out with a whimper instead of a bang.
My adrenaline rush fading, I suddenly feel totally wiped. Who knew exorcisms took so much out of you? I stifle a huge yawn as I gather up my fallen gear. I’ll have to remember to thank Father Mike for making me memorize all those prayers. Though teaching skills he may lack, he did have a knack for getting us to memorize things. Maybe I won’t even fall asleep in his next lecture. Well...we’ll see.
Anyway, I’m ready to get back to that cozy tent and sleeping bag. This chick needs her beauty sleep. Another day, another foe vanquished.
As I crawl back into my warm sleeping bag, and drift back off to sleep, I can’t help but wonder about the strange glowing symbol seared onto the wolf’s shoulder. I try to visualize it in my mind’s eye as consciousness leaves me. A partial circle with short ends coming off of the bottom part…why does it seem so familiar. But it’s lost to my dreams as I fade off into slumberland.
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2023.11.27 05:28 Thirsha_42 Tight Money Ch 26

As always, thanks to Space Paladin for this universe and thanks to u/Eager_Question for bravely proofreading this chapter.
I mentioned on discord that I was going to introduce the second venbig mentioned in NoaG this chapter but things got out of hand and Dani's PoV became my longest chapter. Hopefully the extra length makes up for having to wait another chapter to see the second venbig.
CW: Very depressing
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Memory transcription subject: Dani, Human Refugee
Date [standardized human time]: November 20, 2136
The dumpsters behind the local grocery store were some of my favorites. I’m pretty sure they knew what I was doing or they knew the homeless venlil came by and whenever they had to throw anything away, they left the fruits in boxes or bags for someone to take. Today, I found some purple fruits in a bag left in the corner of the organics dumpster. Despite their outward appearance, I knew that these fruits could produce a brilliant blue pigment when boiled and dried. With a triumphant smile, I gingerly placed the precious find into my bag, envisioning the captivating hues they would bring to my artwork.
Sifting through the refuse of the other giant bins, my eyes scanned the dumpsters for more discarded treasures. It seemed as though the venlil had a way to recycle nearly everything but that led them to throw things away at an alarming rate. Their loss is my gain I guess. My thoughts drifted back to Leena and reflected on all the changes that had occurred in the last few weeks.
I’d fled a war, been left homeless and orphaned, surrounded by despair and suicide, rejected from the herd by landlords, and finally was saved by Leena. Must be karma, not that Leena’s rescue made up for the rest of it, but she got me out of that place and back on my feet. Hardly, you have no job prospects and every other venlil thinks you’re a monster.
But there are some brave ones, good ones like Leena and… the homeless venlil? Great, you can hang out with the rejects of society, that’ll win over the masses. I was forced out of my head when my pad chimed letting me know I had a message.
Hello Dani it’s Duck, You haven’t been by the center in a while. I hope you are doing okay. We are holding a thanksgiving feast at the refugee centers to thank the venlil for everything they have done. We would love to have you and your host join us. Their family is welcome too. The more the merrier. Hope to have you and your not girlfriend join us on the 22nd. Be well. Our doors are always open if you need us.
It’s Thanksgiving already? Once my surprise faded, my heart was squeezed and I stumbled back, falling to the ground.
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Thanksgiving, November 23, 2124
Thanksgiving was always my favorite holiday. The smell of the kitchen, getting to see family that seldom stopped by, sharing news with each other and the amazing food. It was the perfect holiday. Better than Christmas, better than Halloween, better than Day of the Dead.
Mom was fussing over the potato and leek soup while dad was in the backyard working his magic on the turkey mole.
The doorbell rang and mom shouted from the kitchen, “Dani, could you get the door?”
Opening the door, I was met with my cousin Jess holding a pan of fresh smelling cornbread. Her brown hair tied up in a bun and orange dress matched Mom’s festive decorations. Her husband Marcus towered over her carrying a couple pies in one arm and their adorable baby Lucius in the other. His large frame, muscular neck and cropped hair left no doubt about his position as a UCLA Lineman.
“Hello Jess, hi Marcus. How are you Lucius?” I tapped his nose after giving his parents each a quick hug, “Mom’s in the kitchen and Dad’s out back. Uncle Miguel couldn't make it?”
Jess leaned into my hug before moving passed me towards the kitchen. “It’s good to see you Dani. No, he got called in; some kind of emergency at the hospital. Sounded pretty bad.”
“Oh, dear. I hope…” Jess shrugged before I could finish.
Deciding to interrupt the dour turn in my mood, Marcus wrapped the arm carrying pies around me before he asked, “Would you mind watching Lucius while we help get things ready?”
“Absolutely,” I reached out to take Lucius and he returned the gesture, practically jumping into my arms. “You’ll be my super special greeter.”
Marcus smiled, “Thanks Dani.”
Next to arrive were the neighbors Carol and Buck, bringing over several bowls of seasoned mashed potatoes. I had known the old couple for years. I hadn’t seen them as much since I started College but that meant I got to see Marcus on campus and babysit Lucius. Jess had odd hours as a radiology tech. I offered to watch Lucius whenever they needed me to and I was available.
Marcus and Buck began to set up a bouncy house in the front yard; our little holiday tradition. As Buck was filling the bouncy house, my cousin Aiden and his fiance Samantha arrived with her son Kevin. Kevin was already jumping with excitement as he watched the bouncy house blowing up.
Aiden’s beard tickled my cheek as he gave me a hug. “How are you Daniela?”
I responded to him before giving a hug to Samantha. “I’m doing well, how are you two?”
Samantha returned my hug, careful to keep her long, colorful earrings out of Lucius’s reach. “We are doing well. Mama will be by later she said. She was still on the highway.”
A minute later, Lucius and I greeted my cousin Carlos and his wife Maria and my nephew Fernando.
“Hi Dani!” Fernando gave me a quick hug before rushing off to join Kevin in the bouncy house.
“Hello Dani, how are you?” Carlos wrapped me in his arms and gave me a tight squeeze. I could still smell the faint scent of disinfectant on his skin. He had to have returned just yesterday from training in Florida. Lucius decided he wanted to get a hug too and grabbed Carlos’s collar as he made to release me. Lucius’s dark skin contrasted with my cousin's olive tone and cream button up.
Maria helped detangle the baby and Carlos. She gave me a much longer hug and a kiss to baby Lucius. Her long black hair smelled of flowers and fresh soil. Babysitting fernando was always a delight, their house filled with fresh flowers and color. I had no doubt their new home on the east coast would be just as lovely.
“Mom’s in the kitchen and could probably use some help.”
They both smiled and headed inside. The sounds of Marcus and Buck laughing at the boys' antics caught my attention. They were trying to do something with a beach ball in the bouncy house but kept losing control of it and falling all over themselves.
An SUV pulled up in the driveway, heralding the arrival of the guest of honor. Grandma Rosa was helped out of the vehicle by Uncle Tommy while his wife Gabriella retrieved the wheelchair from the back of the van. They made an odd couple. Uncle Tommy was the spitting image of Gomez Adams, down to the thin mustache and charisma. On the other hand, Aunt Gabi with her auburn ponytail and simple style, was very plain and reserved.
As they were helping grandma into her chair, their adopted daughter Elena ran over to the bouncy house; foregoing any introductions. Their elder daughter, Selina, admonished her sister, though her wide smile betrayed her amusement.
Lucius was delighted with Uncle Tommy’s energetic and playful greeting. I knelt down to give Grandma Rosa a hug and allow her to take Lucius and say hello to her great grandchild. I exchanged greetings with Uncle Tommy, Aunt Gabi and my cousin Selina. It was rare to see them in LA since the drive from Mexico City was difficult for Grandma.
Mom’s older sister, Aunt Ana and her husband, Cruz, had parked on the street as Grandma Rosa and her entourage entered the house; Lucius back in my arms. Uncle Cruz bore two trays carrying the scents of sweet potato casserole and green bean casserole. Despite the drive up from Mexico City, Aunt Ana gave no indication that the drive had tired her in the slightest. She was as vivacious as always, blue hair and all.
Aunt Ana enveloped me in a warm hug, whispering, "My, how you've grown! It feels like just yesterday you were a little girl, and now you're blossoming into a remarkable young woman. And Who’s this? Is this my new Nephew?"
It felt like she would never let go if she had a choice.
“Mamá, you have to let them breathe.” Cruz chortled behind her.
Reluctantly, Aunt Ana let me go. She gave her son an admonishing look before quickly smiling. “I’ll see you inside dear.”
As she went inside, I gave my cousin a quick hug. “It’s good to see you again Cruz. Mom set up tables in the backyard for the food.”
“Thanks Dani, It’s good to see you again.” He gave me a quick kiss on the forehead before heading inside, sparing a glance towards the bouncy house and smiling.
Being closer to him, I wasn’t sure what it was I could smell in the casseroles. I couldn’t place it and I was reminded that while cousin Cruz was a professional chef, he liked to experiment.
I didn’t have much time to ponder what it was before my Uncle Juan and his wife Olivia parked behind the SUV. I could see their son Diego was very animated in the back seat. He was unsurprisingly the first one out of the car.
“Hi Dani!” He barked a quick hello before running off to join the other kids in the bouncy house.
“Hi Diego.” I wasn’t sure if he heard me as he ran off. “Hello Uncle Juan, Auntie.”
Aunt Olivia gave me a tight hug, “How have you been? How has university been treating you? We want to hear all about it.”
Before I could answer, her Uncle Juan pulled me into a hug. “She really wants to know if you found a husband yet.”
“Juan!” Olivia gave him a smack on his arm as he chuckled but I could see the interest in her eyes and the disappointment when I shook my head.
“A wife?” His query earned him another light smack a laugh from me.
“That’s enough, go to the kitchen. Be useful.” Olivia’s tone was stern but carried a hint of mirth as she pushed him into the house.
Our last to arrive was Aunt Ana’s friend Leo carrying a couple giant bags of tortilla chips and a big bowl of homemade chile con queso. Dad had mentioned that he was invited since Aunt Ana said he didn’t have any surviving relatives. I directed him to the back yard and settled in with Lucius to supervise the children in the front yard.
“Dani! Time to rally,” came Mom’s voice from the house.
Just to echo her, I shouted to the kids, “Dinner time kiddos, let’s head inside.”
Walking inside after the children, I begrudgingly handed Lucius back to his father at the grill to help set up the dining tables with Olivia and Aunt Gabi. Despite the number of people, Mom made sure order was never lost. Carlos and Uncle Juan acted as middle men passing trays of rolls, Oaxacan stuffing and butternut squash enchiladas drenched in red chile sauce to those preparing the food tables in the backyard, even conscripting the kids to bring out the cranberry sauce, honey cinnamon butter, and silverware.
Marcus and Dad brought the roasted veggies and turkey in green mole to the tables while Aunt Jess and Aunt Samantha brought out quinoa salad and pear salad. The tables laden with all manner of delicious food had my mouth watering in anticipation. At last, the sodas, wine, and lemonade were brought out by Uncle Juan and Carlos.
Mom followed them with napkins and paper plates. Once everyone was in the backyard we took our places standing around the tables to say grace. The scents of the food visibly distracted the children as Dad began to say the prayer.
“Lord, we thank you for the food before us, the family and friends beside us, the love between us; and your presence among us. Amen”
“Amen,” came the reply.
After grace, the children were ushered forward to get their food, and take their seats. When it was my turn, I wanted to try everything but to my dismay, I could only fit a small amount of half of the dishes on my plate.
Once everyone had their food and drinks, Aunt Ana wasted no time in asking me about college. “Dani, dear, tell us everything about university. How are your studies progressing?”
Dad threw Aiden a disapproving look when he chimed in, “Been to any crazy parties yet?”
“Have you met anyone interesting yet?” Mom asked.
Uncle Juan rolled his eyes at the questions while Olivia tried to appear less interested even though she had already asked for the same information.
“Well, I haven’t been there more than a couple months. The lectures are pretty dry but I am almost done with my algebra course. I’m liking my geology course, the professor is great. I didn’t think I would like it but she makes it interesting.”
“Really, rocks?” Selina asked.
“I followed Marcus’s suggestion.” I gestured to him across the table.
He swallowed, nodding, “Yeah, professor Boot is great. I took her a couple years ago and she’s the reason I got through my labs.”
The mention of the professor's name set the kids in a fit of giggles.
Taking the opportunity to finish my bite of enchilada, I continued, “Aside from classes and church, I went to a halloween party and a haunted house with some of my dorm mates.”
Dad’s face lit up with horror and Mom nearly choked on her food laughing at his expression. Aiden pumped his fist in the air, exclaiming “Yes!” and before dad could object, I assured them it wasn’t nearly as scandalous as they were imagining.
“The theater department set up a haunted house next to the student commons and the engineering students added some animatronics; it was really fun. Then we walked over to the commons to get dinner, dance and watch scary movies.”
Aiden didn’t try to hide his disappointment while Dad oscillated between relief and disapproval.
Saving me from the spotlight, Mom gave me a wink and turned her attention to Carlos. “I was talking to Miguel last week and he told me you decided to stay in school, is that right Carlos?”
He held up a finger while he finished chewing his food. He smiled wide as he began his explanation.
“I just finished my qualifications to join NASA’s astronaut program.”
We interrupted him with an excited round of applause, claps on the back and congratulations; we were all proud of him. Space was his dream, and running supplies and ore to and from mars paid pretty well too.
“When did you get the news?” “Congratulations!” “Awesome!” “Space, look out.”
Once everyone settled down, Uncle Tommy asked the question that was on all of our minds with his classic flamboyant flair. “So what do you have to do next? How soon can I tell everyone that my nephew is in the sky, sailing the solar waves like the mariners of old?”
We laughed at Uncle Tommy’s poetic tone as we listened to Carlos explain the next steps in the program. According to him it would be an arduous couple of years, zero gravity training, learning the ins and outs of the shuttles, maintaining them, taking advanced courses on a long list of subjects from physics to mathematics. Suddenly my meager course load didn’t seem so bad.
Maria began to rub his back when Fernando shouted, “Dad! Dad! Tell them ‘bout the light machine!”
That piqued the table's curiosity save for Maria who focused on her plate, having heard about this several times already, no doubt.
“Well, NASA scientists think they have come up with a breakthrough in creating a bubble in space that could allow some new materials to travel faster than light. If it works out how we think it will, we might actually be able to push an electric charge through the materials to create a bubble of space that has an opposing charge to the space around it. The opposing charges would allow us to exceed the limits of conventional physics.”
His whole explanation went over my head but it was nice to see him so excited. It was wonderful to see Fernando so excited and proud of his dad. That alone made listening to his long winded attempts to explain how the materials and physics worked or didn’t.
As the evening went on, Aiden and Samantha discussed their wedding plans with Carol and Aunt Ana, Dad and Cruz argued about cooking recipes, encouraged by Mom’s antagonizing pokes and prods. Uncles Tommy and Juan and Buck started asking Marcus about his prospects for the NFL draft while Maria, Olivia, Gabi and Selina began a game of hand and foot. Jess went inside to find a quiet place to feed Lucius and I talked to the kids about their school work and the projects they were working on.
Eventually Grandma Rosa stood on shaky legs, supporting herself with one hand on the table, tapping her glass with a fork to gather our attention.
She raised her glass and spoke, “As we sit together, hearts full and bellies even fuller, I thank god for this beautiful mosaic of connections that graces our lives. I want to express my deepest gratitude to our friends and neighbors that have made this Thanksgiving so incredibly special.
The smiles shared over fences and the impromptu gatherings on our porches have brought a warmth and camaraderie that we cherish. Thank you Buck and Carol for joining us today.”
Buck and Carol raised their glasses with wide smiles. Murmurs of agreement filled the pause in grandma’s toast.
“Please join me in a heartfelt welcome to Samantha. Your presence adds a new chapter to our family story, and we couldn't be happier to share this moment with you.”
Aiden and his fiance smiled at each other and joined hands while raising their glasses in recognition of grandma Rosa’s words.
“Now, let's raise our glasses to the family we're born into, the friends who've become family, and the love that binds us all. May god bless us all.”
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Time was supposed to heal all wounds
My chest
But time doesn't change here
It hurts
The sun never sleeps
I hate you
My vision blurred
I HATE YOU SUN
I screamed
Mamá!
Silence
Papá!
Nothing
Anyone!
Absence
Pleeaase!!
I threw something
Why?
My legs hurt
It's not fair
My face burns
We were good people
My hand hurts
We kept the faith
The warmth of my family
We did nothing wrong
The laughter
Why
the love
It's all gone...
They took it
They're all gone...
They killed them
Mom, Dad
They killed them
Lucius
They killed him
My...
Gone
Why
They hate you
What did we do?
Predator
I hate them
They don’t care
I can't breathe
They hate you
It hurts
They fear you
Stop
They say it everyday
Please
They want you gone
Please stop
You’re a predator
God, please make it stop

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Alone in the alley, with the remnants of discarded items around me, I felt the crushing grief that had been broiling beneath the surface. Each happy recollection twisted into a painful reminder of what was missing. The contrast between the joy of the past and the harsh reality of the present was too much to bear.
Amidst my tears, my pad chirped with a message from Leena. I swung my arm around looking for that damn machine. I brushed my fingers against it and reached for it. The piece of shit wouldn’t get in my hand. I slammed my hand on top of it.
Leena’s message was read aloud. “Dani, I want to try making something new for dinner, can you pick up some pasta on your way home? How do you feel about a movie later?”
The abrupt shift from a wave of sorrow to the mundane request for pasta felt surreal. Swallowing hard, I took a few minutes to compose myself before replying, "Sure, I'll pick up some pasta on my way home."
Then, in an unexpected turn, I found myself typing out another message. Despite the grief weighing on me, I extended an invitation to Leena and her parents to join me for the Thanksgiving feast. The act of reaching out, of wanting to share a moment of connection, offered a glimmer of hope; a slight relief to the oppressive weight in my chest.
Leena's response didn't come immediately, and I used that time to grapple with the complex emotions stirred up by the memories. The silence on my phone allowed me some time to confront the pain head-on, but just as the ache threatened to overwhelm me again, a notification signaled Leena's reply.
"We would love to join you," Leena's message read.
A sense of gratitude washed over me—gratitude for the support of my chosen family. It was a small step forward, a bittersweet acknowledgment that life could still hold moments of joy, even in the middle of the war, the fear, and the uncertainty.
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2023.11.19 20:22 No_Possibility4909 AITA for thinking my ex should cut out his ex and his childhood friend?

Please bare with me. I'm a terrible writer, academically speaking. Okay to start off I want to talk about how my ex and I's relationship started plus how this all came to be.
Firstly, let's call him Micheal, him and I met in middle school through one of my friend's. He was her boyfriend at the time and how we got into a relationship was already controversial, because I took him away from her and she's hated me ever since, rightly so. I don't blame her or anything but she definitely didn't deserve that pain.
Anyway, Micheal and I were together for about a year before one of my other friend's told me he tried to text her on FB and was being flirty, she immediately shot him down then told me. I asked him about it and he didn't lie he said he did but gave no reason. I brushed this off and just went about our relationship. After a while, another girl came forward and told me he slept with her which he did not deny. He apologized to me and swore he'd never do it again. That was a lie so fast forward 1 year and he's cheated on me 7 times with 4 different women, he admitted to each one. By this time we had moved into HS now. The last straw was when his childhood friend, Brianna, who I thought was my friend as well, told me he "touched" her. Me being sick of all his cheating I ended our relationship. Don't ask why I didn't before when he first cheated, I don't have an answer for you.
This particular time I didn't bother with trying to ask him if he did touch her I just told him it was over. He accepted with a little begging and we went our separate ways. One thing I noted when she told me is Brianna and I had a mutual friend listening when she told me. When Brianna left us to go to lunch our mutual friend decided to stay and go with me while Brianna went by herself. Our mutual friend looked me dead in the eyes and said, "She's lying to you." I asked her what made her say that. She said she just wouldn't trust that Micheal would do that. I told her he cheated before and it's possible, she said he definitely wouldn't cheat with her. She noticed he isn't interested in her that way at all. She said she noticed how different he looked at Brianna and I. I already had a suspicion that she had something for him but didn't say anything to him about it.
About 2 years went by and Micheal dropped out in our senior year. He moved to a friend's house in another state to try and finish there. He came back and then moved to another state to be roommates with his friends. I hadn't heard from him until he sent a FB request after seeing my profile float on by. He told me all about his life and kept asking me to be with him again. He was actually with his current gf, Tiffany. Now Tiffany is a mutual classmate, I wouldn't call her a friend because it seemed like she hated me, probably because she was a friend of my ex friend who I took Micheal away from. Tiffany and him were together for a couple of months after he moved in to be roommates with her and his friend. He told me that he caught her cheating and was sending pictures to guys trying to find a sugar daddy. He sent me some screenshots of those conversations as well. There wasn't just one but a few, I just told him he should break up with her. He told me he wished he could but her family was helping support their living out there. He actually met her family and said that one of Tiffany's cousins kept trying to come onto him whenever they had dinner with them. He rejected her each time but didn't tell his gf. I just felt sorry for him.
During this whole time he just kept trying to get me to accept him back. Not really begging but he constantly flirts with me and sends dirty pictures to me. It wasn't just the dirty stuff though, he'd send pictures of the place they lived or what he was doing. Micheal actually sent a map of where he lived so I could know? After a couple of months of this happening he suddenly stopped texting me and ghosted me then actually blocked me. I went on with life without questioning it. I wondered why he did but didn't make any effort to find out. I don't really like being blocked so I deleted my original FB account and made a new one. I, of course, didn't try to contact him or anything. I wanted all my old stuff from my preteen and teenager years gone.
Another year passes by and he follows me on Instagram. He starts to act like nothing had happened and when I tell him he ghosted me, he apologized for it. Micheal tells me how Tiffany and him were trying to work on their relationship so they decided to cut off all contact with their exes. I said okay. He saw that she texted her ex again and texted me again as well. I told him that what he was doing was wrong and to not use me for such a petty exchange. He didn't message back and that was that. Micheal even said he only gave Tiffany pity coitus and that he thought about me during most of it. He deleted his Instagram after that because she was logging in on his account to spy on him.
So I go on with life, I was invited to one of my older cousin's wedding later that year. Keep in mind that his childhood friend, Brianna, was one of my cousin's cousins on their father's side. I don't know if that makes us related. I'm a cousin through my mother's side. I knew this because of my late favorite cousin's closeness to her. I had decided initially that I didn't want to go because I was still sad about my favorite cousin's passing 4 years prior. I did go last minute and had a fun time seeing my family and how much they've changed. Everything is different though. Besides that, I saw Brianna at the wedding and she was staring angrily at me. I couldn't figure out why. I can't remember exactly where in the timeline but I did tell Micheal that he cheated on me with Brianna and he denied it. He said he has no sexual or romantic feelings for her so he decided to stop talking to her. Maybe that's why she stared at me? Or maybe because I also told my favorite cousin before she died and she also immediately stopped talking to her.? Even one of my sisters noticed she was staring at me with an angry face.
So 2 more years pass by and I get a FB request from Micheal again. This time I'm hesitant to accept and after I do he immediately starts messaging me. Again, asking for a relationship with me. Micheal told me how much he missed me and I'm the only woman that gave him peace. He missed how much I cared for him and wanted to keep going. He still sent me dirty pictures too. Full disclosure I was fine with all of them and even asked for them but not when he had a gf. Micheal then told me that he was still in contact with Tiffany but they agreed to be friends. He even created fake scenarios to see how I would react to them. He wanted to go on a date with me or have me come over all this time. We were discussing our past relationship and why I don't want it again. I accepted that I'm not ready for one too. One important thing I addressed to him is I do not trust him at all. He said he was okay with that and wanted to at least be friends. Even throughout this 'friendship' he flirted with me, asked me to come over and hang out. He wanted to gift and cook my favorite foods on a date with me. I kept rejecting him because I'm not interested.
Now, this is where I believe he messed up. Micheal told me that he was going to hang out with Brianna later that day. I thought for a bit then told him I thought he stopped talking to her after lying about him and her. He told me that he thought that was Daniela, another one of his exes. Which is weird because he left me for her in MS so somehow she's the one that did it??? I cleared up the issue and said it was Brianna that did it. He shrugged it off and said he didn't stop talking to her. Micheal still said he was going to hang out with her and ask her if she did lie. She admitted to lying btw. Never gave a reason why. I did not reply and stopped texting him. I was pissed because she ruined our relationship, that he kept asking me for, then went to hang out with her like nothing happened. Micheal repeatedly gave me excuses as to why he keeps both of them in his life. He's too "generous" with himself. His family is nice and takes care of Tiffany even though she moved 6 hours away. I guess I just got sick of it all like the way I feel is meaningless and that he can continue to do that. He's not controlling or anything, just clingy. I stopped contact with him mostly because I can't see him being used like that and continue to just make excuses for them. Also we were trying to be just friends but clearly it can't work. Why won't he just see that they don't have his best interests at heart and want to use him?
Back to the original idea. Am I the a hole for thinking Micheal should cut out Brianna for lying and Tiffany for coming over to his house unannounced even though they aren't together anymore? If you have any questions because I don't feel like I explained everything well, feel free to ask.
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2023.09.24 13:14 enoumen AI Bridges Communication Between Humans and Animals The 'Reversal Curse' in LLMs DeepMind on Language Modeling

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Welcome to AI Unraveled, the podcast that demystifies frequently asked questions on artificial intelligence and keeps you up to date with the latest AI trends. Join us as we delve into groundbreaking research, innovative applications, and emerging technologies that are pushing the boundaries of AI. From the latest trends in ChatGPT and the recent merger of Google Brain and DeepMind, to the exciting developments in generative AI, we've got you covered with a comprehensive update on the ever-evolving AI landscape.

In today's episode, we'll cover AI revolutionizing our understanding of animal communication, translating languages and decoding animal vocalizations, how neural networks aid conservation efforts and assess animal emotions, the challenges of understanding meaning and validating conclusions in animal communication, flaws in logical generalization capabilities of AI models, the effectiveness of large language models in data compression, and a recommendation for the book "AI Unraveled" by Etienne Noumen to find answers to your AI questions.

So, imagine this: a New Caledonian Crow meticulously crafting a tool to fish out a tasty grub from a tree crevice. Fascinating, right? Turns out, animals have some incredible communication skills that we've only just begun to understand. Take Christian Rutz, a behavioral ecologist who has spent his career studying the New Caledonian Crow. He noticed that these birds live in complex social groups and actually pass on toolmaking techniques to their offspring. But here's the kicker – different crow groups have their own unique vocalizations. Rutz wondered if these dialects could explain the cultural differences in toolmaking among the groups. That's where artificial intelligence (AI) comes in. With recent advancements, we're on the brink of major breakthroughs in understanding animal communication. AI can help us decipher animal vocalizations, like the calls of crows. A group called the Earth Species Project is using machine learning models to analyze data collected from various species. And the Project Cetacean Translation Initiative is specifically focused on understanding the vocalizations of sperm whales. Decoding these vocalizations not only aids conservation and welfare efforts, but it also has a profound impact on us. It's like when the telescope was invented – we realized Earth wasn't the center of the universe. AI has the potential to reshape our understanding of animals and our place in the world. Scientists like Shane Gero are already using AI to decode the complex vocalizations of sperm whales. By analyzing patterns of sound, called codas, Gero and his team have identified individual whales with 99 percent accuracy. And now they're aiming to train a computer to speak whale by recording the vocalizations of Dominica's resident whales around the clock. AI is opening up a whole new world of possibilities for understanding animal communication, and it's truly mind-blowing. These tools are changing the way we see ourselves in relation to everything around us.
Artificial intelligence (AI) has made significant progress in recent years, enabling us to delve into the world of animal communication like never before. With the availability of cheaper sensors and advancements in technology such as hydrophones, biologgers, and drones, the amount of data gathered from animals has exploded. However, this deluge of data is challenging for biologists to manually analyze efficiently. This is where AI comes in. AI models, particularly large language models like ChatGPT, thrive on vast amounts of information. For instance, ChatGPT-3 was trained on approximately 45 terabytes of text data, a substantial portion of the entire Library of Congress. In the early days, humans had to classify a significant part of this data with labels, essentially teaching the machines what was important. Nevertheless, the next generation of models have advanced to the point where they can "self-supervise." They automatically learn the essential elements and create algorithms to predict what words will follow in a sequence. A breakthrough in translation occurred in 2017 when researchers found a way to translate between human languages without relying on a Rosetta stone. This discovery involved transforming the semantic relations between words into geometric ones. Machine-learning models can now translate unknown human languages by aligning shapes. By analyzing the frequency of words appearing in proximity to each other, models accurately predict what will follow. This suggests that there is an underlying structure that unites languages, opening doors for decoding new languages using machine learning techniques. In 2020, natural-language processing took another step forward by considering everything as a language. For example, DALL-E 2, an AI system capable of generating realistic images from verbal descriptions, maps the shapes that represent text to those that represent images with remarkable accuracy. This kind of "multimodal" analysis is likely to be crucial in translating animal communication, as many animals use different modes of communication concurrently, much like humans use body language alongside speech. By considering the actions immediately before, during, or after sounds, we can better understand the context and meaning behind an animal's communication. Machine-learning models trained with the right data could help decode these behaviors and potentially uncover new patterns. An example of AI-powered analysis already in use is Merlin, a free app developed by the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. Merlin uses AI to identify bird species. Users can record bird sounds, which Merlin then converts into a spectrogram, a visual representation of the volume, pitch, and duration of the call. By comparing the user's recording with its trained audio library and cross-referencing with the global database of observations called eBird, Merlin can accurately identify more than 1,000 bird species. This demonstrates the potential for AI to assist in understanding animal communication on a broader scale. The ability of AI to process and analyze large amounts of data can greatly aid in deciphering complex animal communication patterns. In a study published in Nature Communications, scientists reported that machine-learning models unearthed previously unrecognized differences in Zebra Finch songs that elicit attention from females during mate selection. Females prefer partners that sing similar to the birds they grew up with, and AI models were able to identify this pattern. Such findings highlight the potential for AI to discover novel information hidden within animal communication data. AI's impact on animal communication research goes beyond language translation and species identification. It has the potential to detect and understand the nuances of animal behavior by examining the context in which communication occurs. For instance, AI models trained to recognize patterns in body language and gestures, along with vocalizations, could reveal valuable insights into how animals communicate and interact with each other. With the rapid advancements in AI and the increasing availability of data, the future of animal communication research looks promising. By harnessing the power of AI, scientists can explore, decode, and understand the rich world of animal communication in ways that were previously unimaginable. It is an exciting frontier that opens up a new realm of knowledge and understanding about our fellow creatures with whom we share this planet.
But you know, the world can be a noisy place, with so many sounds overlapping and mingling together. It's like trying to pick out one specific bird's song in the middle of a bustling cacophony. And the same goes for other animals, like whales. It has always been a challenge for scientists to isolate and identify individual animal speakers amidst all the chaos. They call it the cocktail party problem, and it has always hindered our ability to process and understand animal vocalizations. But here's the exciting part - in 2021, the Earth Species Project came up with a groundbreaking solution. They developed a neural network that can untangle and separate overlapping animal sounds, like individual tracks in a music recording. And you know what's even better? They released the code for free, as an open-source project. This means that anyone can use this technology to filter out background noise, like car honks, and focus on the specific sounds they want to study. It's a game-changer! Let me explain how it works. This neural network creates a visual representation of the animal sounds, like a spectrogram or a waveform. It then uses this representation to determine which pixel corresponds to which speaker. It's like a magic trick for audio processing. Now researchers can finally distinguish between different animals in a chorus of sounds and understand each speaker individually. And that's not all! The Earth Species Project has been on fire lately. They also developed what they call a foundational model. This model can automatically detect and classify patterns in massive datasets. Imagine the possibilities! It can help scientists analyze and make sense of the immense amount of information contained in animal vocalizations. It's like a revolutionary tool for unlocking the secrets hidden in the animal kingdom's communication systems. Let me give you an example. Have you heard of the New Caledonian Crows? They are renowned for their remarkable tool-making skills. But did you know that they also have unique vocalizations specific to different regions? It's fascinating! And with the help of AI, we might one day decipher and understand the meaning of these vocalizations. Just imagine the insights we could gain into the lives of these intelligent creatures. But it's not just about unraveling the mysteries of nature. These tools have real practical value as well. Think about endangered species, like the Hawaiian Crow, or the 'Alalā as it is known locally. These birds went extinct in the wild a few decades ago, and efforts have been made to conserve and reintroduce them through breeding programs. One of the researchers involved in studying the New Caledonian Crows, Rutz, is now collaborating with the Earth Species Project to delve into the Hawaiian Crow's vocalizations. He wants to create an inventory of the vocalizations used by the captive birds and compare them to historical recordings of the last wild Hawaiian Crows. By doing so, he hopes to uncover whether there have been any significant changes in their repertoire while in captivity. This knowledge could aid in understanding why reintroducing the crow to its natural habitat has been so challenging. Now let's take a moment to talk about our beloved pets. For the longest time, animal behaviorists haven't paid much attention to domestic pets. But that is changing. Con Slobodchikoff, the author of "Chasing Doctor Dolittle: Learning the Language of Animals," has been studying prairie dogs for years and has discovered the complexity of their communication through calls. This understanding led him to become a behavioral consultant for dogs, as he realized that many owners misinterpret their pets' signals. You see, our furry friends don't just rely on barks; they communicate through various signals, including body language. And unfortunately, we often miss out on these cues because we are fixated on sound as the primary means of communication. But Slobodchikoff is working on an AI model that can help translate a dog's facial expressions and barks for their owners. He firmly believes that animals have their own thoughts, hopes, and even dreams. And with the help of AI, we might just be able to understand them better and strengthen the bond between humans and our four-legged companions. But the potential impact of this technology extends beyond companion animals. Farm animals, for instance, could greatly benefit from a deeper understanding of their emotions. Elodie F. Briefer, an associate professor in animal behavior, has been studying pig vocalizations and their emotional states. She trained an algorithm using thousands of pig sounds to predict whether the animals were experiencing positive or negative emotions. This incredible feat demonstrates the potential for AI and machine learning to improve animal welfare by helping us comprehend their feelings and tailor better care. So you see, these developments in AI and machine learning aren't just for the sake of research. They have practical applications that can make a difference in the world. Whether it's protecting endangered species, understanding our pets better, or ensuring the welfare of farm animals, these tools offer us a glimpse into the rich and complex world of animal communication. And who knows what other surprises await us as researchers continue to explore and unlock the secrets of the animal kingdom?
Language models are incredibly proficient at identifying patterns, but they do not possess the ability to decipher meaning or always make accurate conclusions. This lack of understanding makes it difficult for AI experts to validate the algorithms' results. Benjamin Hoffman, formerly involved in the development of the Merlin app and currently a member of the Earth Species Project, states that one of the biggest challenges scientists face is how to learn from the discoveries made by these models. Hoffman explains that the choices made in machine learning have a direct impact on the scientific questions that can be asked. For example, Merlin Sound ID can identify which birds are present, aiding in ecological research. However, it cannot answer questions about bird behavior, such as the types of calls made during interactions with potential mates. Understanding animal communication requires comprehending what the computer is doing when learning how to interpret it. Director Daniela Rus from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory is excited about the possibilities of studying animal communication with the help of machine learning. Rus previously developed remote-controlled robots for whale-behavior research, collaborating with biologist Roger Payne, known for popularizing the Save the Whales movement. With advancements in underwater monitoring sensors and improved AI models for data analysis, the two fields can now be combined. At the Earth Species Project, Rus initially focused on isolating sperm whale clicks from the ocean's background noise. Sperm whale vocalizations resemble binary code in the structure of representing information, but they are more intricate than that. Rus used machine learning to analyze how these clicks combine into codas, searching for patterns and sequences. By understanding these building blocks, they can begin studying the foundational components of the language and determining if the sperm whale lexicon possesses language-like properties. It is worth noting that understanding the structure of a language is not necessary for speaking it. AI can now mimic patterns and intonations of human speech after being trained with just three seconds of audio. Raskin, a project member, predicts that within the next year or two, this capability will extend to animal communication, making it easier for researchers to infer the meaning behind animal vocalizations. The Earth Species Project plans to conduct playback experiments in collaboration with biologists, involving playing artificially generated calls to animals in a laboratory setting and observing their responses. Raskin confidently asserts that soon they will be able to pass the Turing test with animals such as Zebra Finches, crows, and whales. This test determines if an animal can differentiate between conversations with a machine or a member of its own species. However, ethical concerns arise with the potential misuse of this technology, such as precision fishing or poaching endangered animals. As of now, non-profit organizations like the Earth Species Project lead the field of animal communication research. These organizations prioritize open-source data and model sharing, driven by scientists passionate about the animals they study. However, the landscape may change as profit-driven entities enter the scene. Guidelines and legislative frameworks are necessary to ensure responsible development and usage of this technology. Designing a "whale chatbot," like the aspirations of Project CETI, entails more than replicating the clicks and whistles of sperm whales—it requires understanding the animal's experience. Humans share many basic forms of communication with other animals, such as parent-offspring interactions. Both human and animal vocal expressions show similarities in development. The existence and conveyance of language-like qualities in animal communication are a subject of debate, with critics cautioning against imposing human linguistic rules on it. George Happ and Christy Yuncker, retired scientists who observed a pair of wild Sandhill Cranes over two decades, offer insight into the behavior of these birds. They explain how after the death of one of their colts, the surviving members engaged in what could be interpreted as mourning behavior. While critics may argue that squarely attributing emotions to animals lacking human capabilities is imprecise, the evidence from close observation suggests otherwise. The pain of losing a loved one is a universal experience, and the ability to relate to it may be the true value of any language. Yuncker and Happ eagerly anticipated the return of Millie and Roy, a crane pair that frequented their home every spring. Unfortunately, they did not appear in 2017. Despite the loss, a new crane pair nested and successfully raised their colts, signifying the continuation of life's cycles. Yuncker remarks that, rather than just observing nature, humans are an integral part of it. The understanding and translation of animal communication necessitate new tools and the ability to transcend human biases and expectations. Recognizing that each species has its own unique experiences and perspectives is vital for comprehensive communication with animals.
So, there's some interesting research that has just come out, showing a bit of a flaw in how AI models are trained. It turns out that training these models on statements like "A is B" doesn't actually enable them to figure out that "B is A" without further training. In other words, they struggle with generalization. To explain a bit further, let's say you teach one of these models that "Olaf Scholz was the ninth Chancellor." Now, you might expect it to be able to deduce the opposite statement, right? Well, it turns out that's not the case. Even models with billions of parameters fall short in this aspect. Researchers conducted some tests to uncover this deficiency. They used both fictional examples like "X is Y" statements and reverse questions, as well as real celebrity examples and their reversals. The results were quite telling. The success rate dropped from 79% for forward statements to just 33% for the reverse ones. If you're interested in diving deeper, you can check out the full 18-page paper on this subject. Also, if you're a bit of a coding enthusiast, you can find the code for this research on GitHub. In a nutshell, this study exposed what the researchers are calling the "reversal curse." It highlights the fact that these models struggle to infer reversed statements, which in turn underscores the limitations in their logical generalization capabilities. Quite fascinating stuff, don't you think?
Have you ever wondered how language modeling is related to compression? Well, DeepMind and Meta have conducted some fascinating research on this very topic. They have been exploring the compression capabilities of large language models (LLMs) and the results are quite impressive. In the past few years, the machine learning community has been all about creating bigger and more powerful self-supervised models. These LLMs have proven to have remarkable predictive abilities, making them excellent candidates for strong compressors. The research delves into the connection between compression and prediction. DeepMind and Meta have found that foundation models, which are primarily trained on text, possess remarkable in-context learning capabilities that enable them to be versatile compressors. To put it into perspective, a model called Chinchilla 70B achieved compression rates of 43.4% on ImageNet patches and 16.4% on LibriSpeech samples. What's particularly interesting is that these rates exceed those achieved by domain-specific compressors such as PNG or FLAC. So, by leveraging the power of language modeling, these models are able to compress data more effectively in certain domains. This research opens up exciting possibilities for leveraging the compressive power of language models in various applications. It highlights the potential of machine learning in discovering unconventional solutions to classic problems such as compression.
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In this episode, we explored how AI has the potential to revolutionize our understanding of animal communication, decode their vocalizations, analyze and translate languages, aid in conservation efforts, assess animal emotions, and even enable communication with animals—all while acknowledging the challenges in understanding meaning, ethical concerns, and responsible use, as well as the flaws in logical generalization capabilities of AI models. Plus, don't forget to grab "AI Unraveled" by Etienne Noumen to dive deeper into the world of artificial intelligence! Join us next time on AI Unraveled as we continue to demystify frequently asked questions on artificial intelligence and bring you the latest trends in AI, including ChatGPT advancements and the exciting collaboration between Google Brain and DeepMind. Stay informed, stay curious, and don't forget to subscribe for more!

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