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2024.05.16 03:48 Aweonaochilenonormal my small contribution to this game that has given me so much. There is a Spanish version after it ends.

primary
dart monkey [375] 0/0/0/1: powerful darts plus 1 damage
[450] 0/0/0/2:red hot tip plus one damage and can break lead bloons
[645] 0/0/0/3 :flaming dart throws darts that burn bloons that deal 1 damage every second for 2 ticks
[4,190] 0/0/0/4:explosive dart adds an explosion every time it hits a bloon and causes 2 damage and the damage over time to 2 and now it's 3 ticks
[52,345] 0/0/0/5:atomic destruction plus 5 damage and plus 5 piercing to the dart, the explosion obtains plus 3 explosion radius and plus 13 damage and leaves an area in flames with 3 damage and 30 piercing that leaves damage over time equal to that of the dart and the explosion and now the damage over time is 10 ticks of 10 damage
Synergies
3-4-5/x/x/1-2 Apart from the increase in damage, you get more 1 recoil when you improve to level 2, the recoil increases by 2 more
X/5/x/1-2 When using his ability, plasma projectiles get a small explosion. Upgrading to tier 2 increases the explosion radius.
X/x/4/1-2 Slightly increases critical chance when upgrading to level 2 further increases chance
1-2/x/x/4-5 When the dart explodes, it releases small fragments. When you go up to level 2, the number of fragments and their penetration increase.
X/1-2/x/3-4-5 Increases tick speed from 1.0 to 0.9 and gets one more tick. After upgrading to level 2, tick speed increases from 0.9 to 0.7 and gets another extra tick.
X/x/2/3-4-5 While a camouflaged bloon is taking time damage, it will be visible to other monkeys.
Model changes Explosion when hitting a bloon releases 8 balls in all directions that do 20 damage and which in turn bounce and when colliding with a bloon they fall apart exploding releasing spikes in all directions with 10 damage. The exploding projectiles do 30 damage and do 15 damage for each tick (17 ago) which is every 0.6 seconds. model price 200,000 to 225,000
Military
dart shooter [945] 0/0/0/1: planned destruction The darts upon impact are divided into three fragments that come out in the shape of a cone that has 1 damage and piercing
[1,365] 0/0/0/2:trigger discharge Now the darts are divided into five fragments of 1 damage and 1 piercing that upon impact make a small discharge that affects all the bloons in their area doing 1 damage and 15 piercing and also breaks lead bloons
[5,645] 0/0/0/3:retractable dart ball now the projectiles bounce and have 3 damage 7 piercing and when hitting a bloon it releases 5 electrified darts with 1 piercing and 2 damage and on impact the discharges are larger and do 2 damage and increases to 30 piercing and Now slow down the bloons
[15,340] 0/0/0/4: perishable waves now the projectiles do 5 damage and have 10 piercing that release 5 electrified darts with 3 piercing and 3 damage and upon impact the electric waves stay active for longer and now do 3 damage every second and 75 piercing and At the same time, the waves shoot rays at high speed within a range, these rays stun the bloons for 5 seconds (this is reduced according to the bloon, the moabs are stunned for 4 seconds, the bfbs 2.5 seconds, the ddt 2 seconds, the zomg 1.5 seconds and the bads and anti-magic bloons are immune) and bounce off up to 15 bloons and deal 3 damage
0/0/0/5:bloons protocol [b.all][l.etal][o.perative][o.bjective][n.egate][leak.s] Now the dart shooter emits a magnetic wave that slows down the bloons in the area and that every 7.5 seconds does 10 damage and infinite piercing and at the same time expels rays of 5 damage that pass through up to 40 bloons that are stunned for 5 seconds and The projectiles do 8 damage and have 30 piercing that release 10 electrified darts with 5 piercing and 9 damage and when impacting the electric waves you now have the same characteristics as the electromagnetic wave as long as the bloons protocol is in the field all the Dart gunners /x/x/x/1-2-3-4 will receive a cumulative buff up to 10 times that increases attack speed and skill recharge speed by 5% for every x/x/x/3-4( in the case of x/x/x/3 it increases it by 2.5%)
Synergies
1/0/0/1-2 the fragments are more centered
3-4-5/0/0/1-2 The fragments become chips with the same characteristics when improving the discharges, they have more than 2 damage per improvement
0/3-4-5/0/1-2 The fragments are not released until the shells are used up completely and the volleys take a lot of damage towards Moabs.
0/0/3-4-5/2 All the pellets have a current between them that does the same damage as the pellets.
Magic
Druid [225] 0/0/0/1:natural power The druid fires the thorns so hard that it is capable of breaking frozen bloons and does more than 2 damage to the ceramic, apart from the thorns flying 1.5 faster
[540] 0/0/0/2:intertwined thorns The thorns fly in a narrower cone and the trajectory does not change and if all the thorns hit a bloon they will make it retreat and the Moabs will be slowed down for 0.25 seconds by 0.5%
[1240] 0/0/0/3: sensitive vibrations Druids can see camouflaged and can generate vibrations throughout their range that does 3 damage every second and adds another 3 damage every 25% of the total defeated bloons of the total that appear in the round and has 5 increased damage against Moabs and this also increases according to the defeated bloons
[7560] 0/0/0/4:debilitating sludge The vibrations make the bloons muddy, the muddy bloons are slower (75% speed) they are vulnerable to any damage (for example purple bloons can be destroyed by a tier 0 mage monkey) and apart from that the regenerative bloons cannot regenerate and the camouflaged ones can be detected and all the balloons receive 1 more damage
[19500] 0/0/0/5:Tectonic destruction The earthquakes slow down the bloons by 10% and do 5 damage and 20 damage increased thus moabs by five as stated in their own improvement. Thorns now do 8 damage and 40 increased damage as well as Moab class bloons and create mini earthquakes with the same stats as normal earthquakes.
3-4-5/0/0/1-2 Tornadoes now have more perforation and bloons retreat more
0/3-4-5/0/1-2 The vines break frozen bloons and the druid's thorns in the path weaken from further distance.
0/0/3-4-5/1-2 Tier 2 life loss buff is maxed out
Support
[835] 0/0/0/1: increased pressure improves the range increase to all towers from 1 to 3 and now gives more 1 piercing to all monkeys
[1405] 0/0/0/2: support basics plus 1 range and plus 0.1 attack speed and a 5% discount on all tier 1-2 all this applying only to support towers
[3810] 0/0/0/3:military training now gives +2 range and +0.3 attack speed and +2 projectile speed to both support and military monkeys now support monkeys receive a 7% discount in tier 1-2-3 and the military monkeys do more than 1 damage per attack
[6100] 0/0/0/4: magic academy now delivery Now gives +3 range and +0.3 attack speed and +3 projectile speed and +2 piercing to military and magical support monkeys support monkeys get a 10% discount on tier 1- 2-3-4 Military monkeys get more 2 damage and magical monkeys have access to an extra tier 2
[28,425] 0/0/0/5: heroic formation now delivery Now provides +6 range and +0.6 attack speed and +5 projectile speed and +3 piercing and makes skills recover 10% faster. This applies to military and magical support monkeys. Support monkeys get a 13% discount on all their tiers, military monkeys get more than 3 damage and magic monkeys can have all tier 2 and now heroes a unique buff depending on the hero
Buffs
Quincy: arrows travel faster and explosions do 1 more damage
Gwen: the wall of fire is larger and the bursts of fire come out less time and everything in fire damage increases
Striker Jones: the stun missile does more damage, stuns more and stunned bloons take more damage
Obyn greenfoot: brambles have an area around them that deals damage over time and when destroyed explodes into many thorns
Captain Churchill: Antimoab, in order to fire 10 missiles among all the Moabs, fires 5 missiles for each Moab that do double the damage than normal.
Benjamin: generate 5% more money per round for every other tower that generates money
Ezili: when using the infarct ability, apart from removing the regenerative capacity of all the bloons that appear in the 10 seconds of duration, it also defortifies all the bloons and if it is at level 20 this includes the bads
Pat: haranguing roar deals more than 2 damage to all the towers on the map and when you push the bloons it deals damage to all the bloons behind
Adora: the blood sacrifice buff affects all monkeys that are receiving the sun god buff, all blooms in adora's range are illuminated by a light that slows down 1% for each bloon in adora's range and makes 10 damage for each bloon in range
Admiral Brickell: the mines do much more damage, the explosion area is larger and they release 8 smaller mines that have half of everything and the megamines do double the damage that 16 normal mines release.
Etienne: both of Etienne's abilities last longer and now Etienne makes all the monkeys that detect cumaflage have more range and do more 5 damage to camouflaged bloons and the drones do 1 more damage
Sauda: attacks with even greater speed and now when sauda uses his skills he continues attacking even if his skills are still in use
Psi: can attack bloons that it cannot destroy, dealing damage equivalent to the damage necessary to destroy the strongest bloon it can destroy in round 1
Geraldo: all Geraldo items are 25% cheaper and sold 5% more expensive
Corvus: the maximum mana is 1000 and he gains mana more easily
Spanish
Primarios
Mono dardero [375] 0/0/0/1:dardos potentes mas 1 de daño
[450] 0/0/0/2:punta al rojo vivo mas uno de daño y puede romper bloons de plomo
[645] 0/0/0/3 :dardo en llamas lanza dardos que queman a los bloons que hace 1 de daño cada segundo por 2 ticks
[4.190] 0/0/0/4:dardo explosivo agrega una explosion cada vez que impacta con un bloon y que provoca 2 de daño y el daño por tiempo a 2 y ahora son 3 ticks
[52.345] 0/0/0/5:destruccion atomica mas 5 de daño y mas 5 perforacion al dardo, la explosion obtiene mas 3 de radio de explosion y mas 13 de daño y deja un area en llamas con 3 de daño y 30 de perforacion que deja daño de tiempo igual al del dardo y la explosion y ahora el daño por tiempo son 10 ticks de 10 de daño
Sinergias
3-4-5/x/x/1-2 Aparte del aumento de daño obtiene mas 1 de retroceso al mejorar al tier 2 aumenta en 2 mas el retroceso
X/5/x/1-2 Al usar su habilidad los proyectiles de plasma obtienen una pequeña explosion al mejorar al tier 2 aumenta el radio de explosion
X/x/4/1-2 Aumenta un poco la posibilidad de criticos al mejorar al tier 2 aumenta aun mas la posibilidad
1-2/x/x/4-5 Al el dardo explotar suelta unos pequeños fragmentos al subir al tier 2 aumenta la cantidad de fragmentos y la penetracion de estos mismos
X/1-2/x/3-4-5 Aumenta la velocidad de los ticks de 1.0 a 0.9 y obtiene un tick mas tras mejorar al tier 2 se aumenta la velocidad de los ticks de 0.9 a 0.7 y obtiene otro tick extra
X/x/2/3-4-5 Mientras un bloon camuflado este resibiendo daño por tiempo este sera visible para los demas monos
Cambios del paragon Explosion al golpear un bloon suelta 8 bolas en en todas las direciones que hacen 20 de daño y que a su vez rebotan y al chocar con un bloons se desacen explotando soltando puas hacia todas las direciones con 10 de daño. Los proyectiles al explotar hacen 30 de daño y haciendo 15 de daño por cada tick (hace 17) que son cada 0.6 segundos. precio del paragon 200.000 a 225.000
Militar
Disparador de dardos [945] 0/0/0/1:detruccion planificada los dardo al impactar se dividen en tres fragmentos que salen en forma de cono que tiene 1 de daño y perforacion
[1.365] 0/0/0/2:descarga desencadenante ahora los dardon se dividen en cinco fragmentos de 1 de daño y 1 de perforacion que al impactar hacen una pequeña descarga que afecta a tosdos lo bloons en su area haciendo 1 de daño y 15 de perforacion y aparte rompe bloons de plomo
[5.645] 0/0/0/3:bola de dardos retractiles ahora los proyectiles rebotan y tienen 3 de daño 7 de perforacion y al impactar contra un bloon suelta 5 dardos electrificados con 1 de perforacion y 2 de daño y al impactar las descargas son mas grandes y hacen 2 de daño y aumanta a 30 de perforancion y Ahora realentiza a los bloons
[15.340] 0/0/0/4:ondas perecederas ahora los proyectiles hacen 5 de daño y tienen 10 de perforacion que sueltan 5 dardos electrificados con 3 de perforacion y 3 de daño y al impactar las ondas electricas se quedan activas durante mas tiempo y ahora hacen 3 de daño cada segundo y 75 de perforacion y a la vez las ondas tiran rayos a mucha velocidad dentro de un rango estos rayos aturden a los bloons 5 segundos(esto va reduciendose segun ol bloon los moabs se aturden 4 segundos los bfbs 2.5 segungos los ddt 2 segundos los zomg 1.5 segundos y los bads y bloons antimagia son inmunes)y rebotan entre hasta 15 bloons y hacen 3 de daño
0/0/0/5:protocolo bloons [b.all][l.etal][o.perative][o.bjective][n.egate][leak.s] ahora el disparador de dardos emite una onda magnetica que realentiza a los bloons en el area y que cada 7.5 segundos hace 10 daño y perforacion infinita y a la vez expulsa unos rayos de 5 de daño que atraviesan hasta 40 bloons que son aturdido durante 5 segundos y los proyectiles hacen 8 de daño y tienen 30 de perforacion que sueltan 10 dardos electrificados con 5 de perforacion y 9 de daño y al impactar las ondas electricas ahora tienes las mismas caracteristicasque la onda electro magnetica siempre y cuando protocolo bloons este en el campo todos los artilleros darderos /x/x/x/1-2-3-4 recibiran un buff acumulable hasta 10 veces que aumenta en un 5% la velocidad de ataque y de recarga de habilidades por cada x/x/x/3-4(en el caso del x/x/x/3 lo aumenta en un 2.5%)
Sinergias
1/0/0/1-2 los fragmentos son mas centrados
3-4-5/0/0/1-2 Los fragmentos se vuelven chipas con las mismas caracteristicas al mejorar las descargas tienen mas 2 de daño por mejora
0/3-4-5/0/1-2 Los fragmentos no se liberan hasta que los casquillos usen toda su perforacion y las descargas tienen mucho daño hacia moabs
0/0/3-4-5/2 Todos los balines tienen una corriente entre ellos que hace el mismo daño que los balines
Magicos
Druida [225] 0/0/0/1:potencia natural El druida dispara las espinas tan fuerte que es capas de romper bloons congelados y hace mas 2 de daño a la ceramica aparte las espinas vuelan 1.5 mas rapido
[540] 0/0/0/2:espinas entrelazadas Las espinas vuelan en un cono mas angosto y no varia la trayectoria y si todas las espinas dan en un bloon lo haran retroceder y a los moabs los realentizaran durante 0.25 segundos un 0.5%
[1240] 0/0/0/3:vibraciones sensitivas Los druidas pueden ver camuflados y pueden generar unas vibraciones en el total de su rango que hace 3 de daño cada segundo y se suma otros 3 de daño cada 25% de bloons derrotados totales del total que aparecen en la ronda y tiene 5 daño aumentado contra moabs y este tambien va aumentando conforme a los bloons derrotados
[7560] 0/0/0/4:lodo debilitante Las vibraciones enlodan a los bloons, los bloons enlodados son mas lentos(75% de velocidad) son vulnerables a cualquier daño(por ejemplo los bloons morados pueden ser destruidos por un mono mago tier 0) y aparte los bloons regenerativos no se pueden regenerar y los camuflados pueden ser detectados y todos los globos reciben 1 de daño mas
[19500] 0/0/0/5:Destrucion tectonica Los sismos realentizan a los bloons un 10% y hacen 5 de daño y 20 de daño aumentado asía moabs en cinco segun lo dicho en su propia mejora. las espinas ahora hacen 8 de daño y 40 de daño aumentado asía bloons clase moabs y crean mini sismos con las mismas estadisticas que los sismos normales
3-4-5/0/0/1-2 Los tornados ahora tiene mas perforacion y los bloons retroceden mas
0/3-4-5/0/1-2 Las enredaderas rompen bloons congelados y las espinas del druida que estan en el camino se debilitan desde mayor distancia
0/0/3-4-5/1-2 La potenciacion de perder vidas de la tier 2 esta al maximo
Apoyo
Mono aldea
[835] 0/0/0/1:presicion aumentada mejora el aumento de rango a todas las torres de 1 a 3 y ahora le da mas 1 de perforacion a todos los monos
[1405] 0/0/0/2:basicas del apoyo mas 1 de rango y mas 0,1 de velocidad de ataque y un descuento de 5% en todas las tier 1-2 todo esto aplicando solo a las torre de apoyo
[3810] 0/0/0/3:entrenamiento militar ahora entrega mas 2 de rango y mas 0,3 de velocidad de ataque y mas 2 de velocidad del proyectil tanto a los monos de apoyo como los militares ahora los monos de apoyo reciben un descuento del 7% en las tier 1-2-3 y los monos militares hacen mas 1 de daño por ataque
[6100] 0/0/0/4:academia magica ahora entrega Ahora entrega mas 3 de rango y mas 0,3 de velocidad de ataque y mas 3 de velocidad de proyectil y mas 2 de perforacion a los monos de apoyo militares y magicos los monos de apoyo obtienen un descuento de 10% en las tier 1-2-3-4 los monos militares obtienen mas 2 de daño y los monos magicos tienen aceso a una tier 2 extra
[28.425] 0/0/0/5:formacion heroica ahora entrega Ahora entrega mas 6 de rango y mas 0,6 de velocidad de ataque y mas 5 de velocidad de proyectil y mas 3 de perforacion y hace que las habilidades se recuperen un 10% mas rapido esto aplica a los monos de apoyo militares y magicos los monos de apoyo obtienen un descuento de 13% en todas sus tiers los monos militares obtienen mas 3 de daño y los monos magicos puede tener todos los tier 2 y ahora los heroes un buff unico dependiendo del heroe
Quincy:las flechas viajan mas rapido y las explosiones hacen 1 mas de daño
Gwen:el mura de fuego es mas grande y las rafagas de fuego salen cada menos tiempo y todo en daño por fuego aumenta
Striker jones:el misil aturdidor hace mas daño aturde mas y los bloons aturdidos son reciben mas daño
Obyn greenfoot:las zarzas tienen un area al su alrededor que hace daño por tiempo y al ser destruida explota en muchas espinas
Capitan churchill:antimoab en vaz de tirar 10 misiles entre todos los moabs tira 5 misiles para cada moab que hacen el doble de daño de lo normal
Benjamin:genera un 5% de mas dinero por ronda por cada otra torre que genere dinero
Ezili:al usar la habilidad infartador aparte de quitarle la capacidad de regenerativa de todos los bloons que aparezcan en los 10 segundos de duracion tambien desfortifica a todos los bloons y si esta al nivel 20 esto incluye a los bads
Pat:rugido arengador da mas 2 de daño a todas las torres en el mapa y al pat empujar a los bloons hace daño a todos los bloons de atras
Adora:el buff del sacrificio de sangre afecta a todos los monos que esten recibiendo el buff del dios del sol todo bloom en el rango de adora se ve iluminado por una luz que realentiza un 1% por cada bloon en el rango de adora y hace 10 de daño por cada bloon en el rango
Almirante Brickell:las minas hacen mucho mas daño el area de explocion es mas grande y sueltan 8 minas mas chicas que tienen la mitad en todo y las megaminas hacen el doble de daño que sualtan 16 minas normales
Etienne:ambas habilidades de etienne duran mas y ahora etienne hace que todos los monos que detecten cumaflado tengan mas rango y hagan mas 5 de daño a bloons camuflados y los drones hacen 1 mas de daño
Sauda:ataca con aun mayor velocidad y ahora al sauda usar sus habilidades sigue atacando aunque sus habilidades aun esten en uso
Psi:puede atacar a bloons que no puede destruir haciendo en daño el equibalente al daño necesario para destruir el bloon mas fuerte que pueda destruir de ronda 1
Geraldo:todo los objetos de geraldo valen un 25%mas baratos y se venden un 5% mas caro
Corvus:el mana maximo es 1000 y gana mana mas facilmente
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2024.05.15 20:11 kittenofd00m What is this JavaScript calling?

As a rank beginner to JavaScript, I am trying to figure out what the getQuote() function is calling. This code is on a form submission page for a vacation rental website. I got it from the page source because the JavaScript is embedded in some PHP file and this was the only way I could find the offending code.
I haven't figured out how to step through this code while it is running (because most of it is JavaScript within PHP tags and PHPStorm cannot handle breakpoints on PHP and JavaScript in the same file). I need to see what is getting passed in and to where (exactly) so I can do further troubleshooting on the PHP side of things.
Then, if all is well there, I need to be able to follow the data as it comes back and goes through the JavaScript.
< script > jQuery(document).ready(function() { var termsActivator = jQuery('#abe-terms-activator'); var termsClose = jQuery('.abe-terms-close'); termsActivator.on('click', function() { jQuery('.abe-terms').toggle(); return false; }); termsClose.on('click', function() { jQuery('.abe-terms').toggle(); }); // Apply promocode if (jQuery('.abe-apply-promo').length > 0) { var promoActivator = jQuery('.abe-apply-promo'); promoActivator.on('click', function() { getQuote(); }); } // Quote on adults/children change jQuery('select[name="booking[adults]"]').change(function() { getQuote(); }); jQuery('select[name="booking[pets]"]').change(function() { getQuote(); }); jQuery('select[name="booking[children]"]').change(function() { getQuote(); }); jQuery('input[type=radio][name="booking[acceptinsurance]"]').change(function() { getQuote(); }); // Any element with class addOn will trigger a new quote jQuery('.addOn').change(function() { getQuote(); }); function getQuote() { var promoCode = jQuery('input[name="booking[PromoCode]"]').val(); jQuery.post(url_paths.site_url + "/?vrpjax=1&act=checkavailability&par=1", jQuery("#vrpbookform") .serialize(), function(data) { var obj = jQuery.parseJSON(data); var response = ""; var bookInfoTable = jQuery('.abe-ratebreakdown > table > tbody'); if (!obj.Error) { // Charges jQuery.each(obj.Charges, function(c, v) { if (!v.Description.includes("Tax")) { response += ` ${v.Description} \$${addCommas(parseFloat(v.Amount).toFixed(2))} `; } }); // Taxes if ('TotalTax' in obj) { response += ` Tax: \$${addCommas(parseFloat(obj.TotalTax).toFixed(2))} `; } var insChecked = jQuery('input[type=radio][name="booking[acceptinsurance]"]:checked') .val(); if (jQuery('input[type=radio][name="booking[acceptinsurance]"]').is(':checked')) { if (insChecked == 1) { response += ` Travel Insurance: \$${addCommas(parseFloat(obj.InsuranceAmount).toFixed(2))} `; } }; // Promocode Discount console.log(obj.PromoCodeDiscount.value); if ('PromoCodeDiscount' in obj && obj.PromoCodeDiscount.text != '') { response += ` Promo Code Discount: ${obj.PromoCodeDiscount.text} -\$${addCommas(parseFloat(obj.PromoCodeDiscount.value).toFixed(2))} `; } // Reservation Total if ('TotalCost' in obj) { jQuery('input[name="booking[TotalCost]"]').val(obj.TotalCost); if (insChecked == 1) { response += ` Reservation Total: \$${addCommas(parseFloat(parseFloat(obj.TotalCost) + parseFloat(obj.InsuranceAmount)).toFixed(2))} `; // Total Due Now if ('DueToday' in obj) { response += ` Total Due Now: \$${addCommas(parseFloat(parseFloat(obj.DueToday) + parseFloat(obj.InsuranceAmount)).toFixed(2))} `; } } else { response += ` Reservation Total: \$${addCommas(parseFloat(obj.TotalCost).toFixed(2))} `; // Total Due Now if ('DueToday' in obj) { response += ` Total Due Now: \$${addCommas(parseFloat(obj.DueToday).toFixed(2))} `; } } } bookInfoTable.html(response); } else { alert(`Notice: ${obj.Error}`); } }); } }); < /script> 
Searching this codebase can be confusing (for me anyways).
The original developers took an entire directory, copied it and placed in inside another folder in the copied directory.
The code is dupliocated THREE times in this codebase - https://i.imgur.com/6daKpCm.png . And this doesn't seem to be the only place that they have duplicate code.
So there is duplicate code in every search. I don't know which is being called all of the time or why they are both needed. (I think I will delete the duplicate folder and see if the site still works.)
It doesn't help that PHPStorm's search function is also quite confusing. It changes the order of the returned results every single time you look at it. It is nigh impossible to keep up with what you've looked at and what you haven't because the results are jumbled every time they are shown to you. Why would you do something like that? Why aren't search results ordered either alphabetically (by page name) and by line number EVERY SINGLE TIME? Make it make sense.
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2024.05.15 02:36 wown123456 EV9 Land Lease Deal

Hi everyone. I recently got a quote on EV9 Land Lease and the numbers do not add up in my mind
MSRP: $73,750
Rebates: $10,300
Additional Discounts: $4181
Fees: $1414.03
Added Accesories (Let's assume this is not waivable): $999
24 Months/ 10k. My sales tax rate is 7% (On the Net Cap Cost before Rebates)
Residual: 64%, MF: 0.00045
0 Down/ No Trade in deal
Dealer is saying my 24month payments will be $765/MO with that discounts listed above. I think it is high given that there is $14,481 worth of discounts bringing the the sales price (before fees and add-ons) to $59,269 for Land.
Can someone double check my math? is $765 correct figure for Land with the said Residual/MF and the fees and tax rates?
Edit:
If I understand this number correctly, the calculator gives me this number:
https://leasehackr.com/calculator?make=Kia&miles=10000&msrp=73750&sales_price=69569&months=24&mf=0.00045&msd=0&dp=0&dealer_fee=1398&acq_fee=650&disp_fee=400&taxed_inc=10300&untaxed_inc=0&rebate=0&resP=64&gov_fee=365&sales_tax=7&demo_mileage=0&memo=&tradein=0&fin_sp=73750&fin_taxed_fee=0&fin_untaxed_fee=0&fin_term=60&fin_apr=0&fin_dp=0&fin_rebate=0&fin_ps_rebate=0&fin_tax=0&keep_term=60&exp_rv=0&service_fee=0&totalLeaseTax_radio=true&cap_tax=true&bmw_demo_25=true&lease_result_mode=true&dealerFee_check=false&govFee_check=false
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2024.05.14 23:48 GPSTrackerShop1 GPS Blocker For Cars

GPS Blocker For Cars

How GPS Blockers Affect Car Tracking: Facts, Risks & Legalities

Are you worried about the privacy implications of GPS tracking in your car? With the increasing use of GPS in vehicles, many car owners like you are concerned about their privacy and are curious about the use of GPS blockers. However, it's crucial to understand the legal landscape surrounding these devices. In this article, we'll guide you through the world of GPS jamming, clarifying legal boundaries and potential risks. By reading on, you'll gain valuable insights into how GPS trackers and jammers work, their impact on car owners, and legal alternatives to protect your privacy. Now, let's first start by going over some of the basics about GPS jamming devices.
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Simple Definition: A "GPS blocker for car" is a small device that disrupts the GPS system in or on your vehicle, preventing it from accurately showing its location.
Technical Definition: A "GPS blocker for car" refers to an electronic device that emits radio frequency signals, synchronized with the wavelengths used by GPS satellites. This device disrupts the communication between a vehicle's GPS receiver and the orbiting satellites, thereby hindering the accurate determination and reporting of the vehicle's geographical position.

Understanding How GPS Blockers & Jamming Devices Work

So how do GPS blockers work and what is the technology behind them? GPS blockers, also known as jammers, are designed to disrupt the communication between a GPS device and the orbiting satellites. They function by emitting signals that overpower or mask the GPS signals, causing confusion and loss of accurate location data. Let's break down the workings of GPS blockers:
  • Signal Overpowering: GPS blockers emit strong radio frequencies. These frequencies are similar to the ones used by GPS satellites but are much louder, effectively drowning out the real signals.
  • Frequency Mimicking: The technology in a GPS blocker is tuned to the same frequency range as GPS satellites. This makes the GPS receiver unable to distinguish between the blocker's signals and the actual GPS signals.
  • Range and Effectiveness: The effective range of a GPS blocker varies. Smaller devices might cover only a few meters, while larger ones can affect GPS over greater distances.
But why would anyone want to block a GPS device on their vehicle? It's a great question. One real-world example is privacy from an employer. Imagine you're using a company vehicle equipped with GPS tracking. Perhaps you feel that your employer is monitoring your movements excessively, even during your personal time. A GPS blocker can temporarily shield your location, providing a sense of privacy and autonomy. It's a way to keep your off-duty life private, away from the watchful eyes of workplace surveillance.
Another example would be if you were concerned an ex-husband or wife was secretly tracking your car. If you believe your spouse is tracking your car's location without your consent, a GPS blocker might seem like a solution. It provides a way to prevent your spouse from knowing your whereabouts, fostering a sense of personal space and privacy.

Legality and Regulations of GPS Blockers

In the United States, the use of GPS blockers is strictly illegal. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) prohibits their use because they can disrupt critical communication systems. If caught using one, you could face hefty fines or even jail time. In Europe, the stance is similar. The European Union has stringent laws against these devices for the same reasons. Let's look at the penalties for illegal use:
  • Fines: In the United States, the legal ramifications of using GPS blockers are quite serious. If you use a GPS blocker, you could face a fine of up to $16,000. This fine is enforced by the federal government through the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), which regulates the use of radio communications, including GPS​.
  • Imprisonment: The FCC's rules, specifically under Section 501 of the Communications Act of 1934, allow for substantial monetary fines and criminal sanctions, including imprisonment, for the use or marketing of jammers.
  • Seizure of Device: Authorities may also seize your GPS blocker, alongside other legal repercussions.
Using a GPS jamming device might seem like a quick fix for privacy concerns, but the legal consequences can be severe. Always consider legal and safer alternatives to protect your privacy. Remember, respecting these laws not only keeps you out of trouble but also ensures the safety and reliability of essential communication systems for everyone.
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Effects of GPS Blockers on Vehicle Functionality and Surrounding Technology

Have you ever considered how a GPS blocker might affect your car and the devices around you? Using a GPS jammer in your vehicle doesn't just disrupt your navigation; it can have broader implications. Let's take a closer look at the impact a jamming device can have on your vehicle's GPS system:
  • When you use a GPS blocker, it will directly impact your car's navigation system.
  • The GPS may show incorrect locations or fail to provide directions, leading to confusion and potentially unsafe driving situations.
But what about the unintended consequences of using a GPS blocker for cars? Yes, we are talking about the influence on nearby devices and networks. For example:
  • Disrupted Emergency Services: GPS blockers can interfere with the GPS systems used by emergency response vehicles.
  • Affecting Public Transportation: Buses and taxis with GPS-based routing can be disrupted, causing delays.
  • Impact on Personal Devices: Your smartphone or GPS-based fitness devices can be affected.
  • Broader Network Implications: In some cases, GPS blockers might interfere with broader telecommunication networks.
Using a GPS blocker can have unintended and far-reaching consequences. It’s not just about losing your way; it’s about potentially disrupting vital services and networks. As a responsible car owner, it's important to be aware of these effects and adhere to legal guidelines for GPS use. Remember, your actions can impact not just you, but also those around you.

Legal Alternatives to GPS Blockers

Seeking privacy in your car but wary of the legal issues with GPS blockers? You're not alone. Many car owners are looking for lawful and safe ways to maintain their privacy without resorting to GPS jamming. Here are some effective and legal alternatives that can help you achieve privacy and security while staying on the right side of the law:
  • Use a Faraday Bag: This bag blocks all radio signals, including GPS. Place your GPS device inside the bag to prevent tracking.
  • Opt For Non-GPS-Based Navigation: Use traditional maps or offline navigation apps that don't transmit your location.
  • Regular Privacy Checks: Regularly inspect your vehicle for unauthorized GPS trackers, especially if you suspect someone might have placed one.
  • Talk to Your Employer: If your concern is about an employer-tracked vehicle, discuss privacy terms and agree on acceptable tracking parameters.
By opting for these legal alternatives, you maintain your privacy without crossing legal boundaries or disrupting essential services. Remember, respecting privacy laws and considering the safety implications of any technology you use is crucial.

GPS Blocker For Cars - Frequently Asked Questions

Are GPS Jammers Legal?

Everything from desktop jammers to mobile phone jammer devices and GPS jammers is illegal in the USA. Anything that blocks GPS signals is illegal to purchase or use in the United States. Even a simple drone jammer is illegal in the USA.
Several nations, including the USA, Canada, and the United Kingdom, have made GPS jamming illegal. Anything that disrupts GPS signals is illegal. The Federal Communications Act of 1934 made it illegal to promote, sell, or use GPS jammers in the United States. This law makes it illegal to import, manufacture, distribute, sell, acquire, and use GPS jamming equipment. There are severe penalties for employing jammers, including:
  • Fines Of Up To $100,000 Or More Are Possible;
  • Incarceration;
  • Seizing Of the Jamming Devices.
Jamming devices are not only unlawful, but they may also be deadly if used improperly. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) penalized a New Jersey truck driver for approximately $32,000 after his GPS jamming equipmentdisrupted air traffic control signals at an airport. The worker had hidden his whereabouts from his company by using the jammer in his company vehicle. Using radio surveillance equipment, an FCC investigator could find the jammer and verify that it was the source of the disturbance.

What Should I Do If I Suspect My Communications Are Being Jammed?

If you suspect your communications are being jammed, start by troubleshooting common causes for bad network connections. This includes checking for faulty equipment, physical obstructions that might be blocking signals, or interference from lawful devices operating on similar frequencies. Additionally, researching your specific issue online, in relation to your device or model, can help identify or rule out potential causes. Only consider filing a complaint about suspected jamming after you've thoroughly investigated these possibilities and still believe jamming is the cause. Remember, many factors can contribute to network issues, so it's essential to systematically rule out the more common causes first.

How To Prevent GPS Jamming?

If you want to protect your GPS device systems from GPS blockers, there are some useful steps. One of the most common ways is to install a pre-programmable GPS tracking device. It will automatically shut down the car when it detects GPS blockers or shielding instrument devices. This way, you can enjoy ultimate fleet tracking without any issues.
Another way to combat tracking devices is to install multiple GPS devices in the car. This way, even if one or more devices are down, you can still get the location of your car. It may cost you a little bit more, but it will be worth it. Moreover, companies offer discounts on bulk GPS device installations.
Some images in this article, "GPS Blocker For Cars" were generated using AI
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Not sure of source I heard it on a radio in public today but they were talking about how this boycott is showing Canadians need more options and we will be seeing more discount stores like Aldi coming in. What do you guys think?
Eta: of course this talk was happening prior to boycott but the radio commentary was just saying now it actually might happen and that the monopoly that Loblaws has over Canadian consumers may actually finally end. The point of the post was to be happy that the boycott is working and change is slowly happening!
(Also forgive me saying strike instead of boycott / pregnancy brain).
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2024.05.14 02:44 LeTommyWiseau Just how inefficient was the economy of Nazi Germany?

I'm reading "Wages of Destruction" by Adam Tooze and he seems to paint a convincing picture that debunks a lot of myths about the Nazis they successfully implanted in their enemies and exposes the unsustainability of the Nazi economy, using for example the fact that even the cheap "people's radio" was iirc worse than equivalent allied radios of a similar price, despite the name and attempts to claim otherwise, the Nazis were no socialist and German industry and magnates supported the regime, but it did have central planning of sorts, which makes me wonder, how much did Nazi interference hamper the German economy, discounting the unsustainability of rearmament, and how much could have the German economy have been improved, including weapons production, otherwise?
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2024.05.14 01:23 snarkily- [H] Games + Some big titles [W] Paypal, Trades

Hi! As the title implies, I have amassed quite a large collection of games and am looking to trade or sell some of them.
Here is my Wishlist for reference: Steam Wishlist
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2024.05.13 17:52 KayosTheory101 DM songs where you hear voices other than Dave, Martin, Fletch, Alan or Vince

There's a few DM studio tracks where you can hear voices from people other than the band members (or ex band members).
It feels like there's a few others I'm missing....Anyone know of the others? I'm discounting live recordings from tours where they had backing vocalists.
The following tracks had voices, but research indicated it was from a band member
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2024.05.13 16:51 SkullspaceWinnipeg Free hackerspace festival weekend! Hax 5.0 returns for its 5th year! Join us 374 Donald St. on May 17-19 for a fun, free weekend of talks, presentations, tabletop gaming, movie night, exhibits, live singer + synthesiser music, and a reception with cash bar!

Hello Reddit! I want to cordially invite you to a fun, free weekend of activities at our local hackerspace, Skullspace!
We're a community of nerds, much like yourselves, and every year we have a fun hackerspace festival weekend where we open the doors up and let people enjoy 'hacker' culture. We love music, creating things, art, and more!
The full details and event schedule at our space at 374 Donald St in Winnipeg can be found here on our website for Hax: https://hax.skullspace.ca
On Saturday evening, we'll be having an amazing, free reception with cash bar and our 3 very talented artists who will be bringing their synthesisers, their analog breaks, and their voices to create a very fun chillout evening from 6-11PM! You don't want to miss this free event.
On Friday we have a fun ticketed event with cheap $10 tickets for sale - if you like house, techno, electronic music, trance, etc., then this is your event! If you like meeting interesting people, craft beer, 3d printing, free face painting, the lounge chillout area with couches with PS2, Genesis, Pac-Man, N64, and more, then this is your event! Tickets with pictures and video from our events this year in April and May are found here: https://www.showpass.com/preview/hax-50-festival-night/
Want to hang with us in real time? Join our free Discord server and chat about DIY house repairs, music, buy-sell-trade, memes, and more: https://discord.gg/Entc8Uuvd2

Hax 5.0: May 17 - May 19, 2024

Friday May 17, 2024

Anti-social featuring electronic music, dancing, frace painting, and gaming. 8pm-4am. Tickets, buy early for a discount.

Saturday May 18, 2024

Saturday afternoon, 11am-5:45pm: (free event)
Saturday Talks
11:30AM Full disk encryption on a file server can be security theatre Mark Jenkins
12:45pm VE4SIG The Least Boring Presentation on Ham Radio You Will Ever SeeJim Sutton
2PM Straithe Open source community management video conference
3:15pm Shibashis Bal -- double presentation: A dive into the NIST AI Framework (An exploration into how some Generative AIs meet the NIST AI Guidelines) Challenges on Challenging Disruptions to Our Watersheds (A report on how local communities have inquired against companies developing land on natural water sheds).
5:00pm Michael Ossmann of Great Scott Gadgets - Software defined radio and the law video conference
Saturday evening:
6pm-11:00pm A free reception after the talks featuring Infyuthsion (chillout and synthwave) and kid missive (analog party breaks), DJing by dĂŠdbeat, and our Anti-social licensed bar.

Sunday May 19, 2024

Chill and open house day (free event)
noon-4pm
Exhibits and gaming (workshop/lounge/classroom)
Dinner break, 4pm-6:30pm space will be closed. Potentially there will be a group outing to a pub on foot. To be decided spontantouesly at the space
Movie night with Thor, 6:30pm. Featuring two documentaries until 9pm and possibly one bonus movie. In person in the lounge and online.

Exhibits

Exhibits are available for the public look at and/or play with during our free Saturday and Sunday hours.
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2024.05.12 15:53 Whole-Series Need a perk to stockpile limited use/limited stock items due to per jump, per time or other limits.

I want to use it with these particulary.
Strategic Arsenal (600)
This massive arsenal of nukes is fired by planetary railguns first then firing their Epstein Drives to strike anywhere in the solar system with impunity. You have 10,000 of them and you can choose to put where this arsenal will be located. You can have it in deep space ready for an ambush. You will receive more missiles at a rate of 1 per month, but you can produce your own nukes if you want. This system comes with a fancy briefcase that can control the arsenal’s targets, guidance system and abort codes. 150 of these nukes can completely destroy an asteroid the size of Eros. I believe that this arsenal makes you the most powerful being in any star system.
The Cataclyst [600]
This is a small handheld bomb. When detonated, it will kill everyone in the same sector as the detonator. It can be used only once. It is an artifact and cannot be destroy, or duplicated by any means. The definition of sector is flexible. If you use it in anything called a sector (city sector, sector of space) it will be limited to that size. Otherwise, you can set it to the limits of any subsection of reality. It is capable of scouring all life from hundreds of worlds and will kill anything that can be killed, no exceptions. It has no fuse and no timer. You push the button, everything dies. Including you.
There Are Good Devils [600cp - Discount Hybrid]
What’s so great about being feared? You can pick one emotion this Jump’s perks and items are based on instead of fear. You still count as a devil of hellish origin regardless of what you pick. Post-Jump, you can pick one perk each Jump to swap an aspect of around. For example, you could opt for a perk that makes you stronger the faster you are to instead be faster the stronger. The end result can’t be inherently better by itself than what it was before and must be a direct equivalent to the original.
600cp – Do You Want Power?
In the face of tragedy, in the face of anger and hatred towards all things, in the face of death, danger and pain, in the face of losing all that you love and cherish, a voice from deep within will ask of you, “Do You Want Power?” and should you answer “yes”, Power you will have. In desperate situations you can draw upon your deepest darkest self, your innermost power, the abilities you have but cannot normally access or can’t normally use at the same time, the power of beings dwelling within you and more, much more, these powers are amplified to give you the power to face the challenge in front of you and to unleash hell of whatever it was that provoked you. This is a form of berserker super-mode is one that roughly increases your power by between 5 to 20 times but can only last for a few hours at most or until whatever provoked it is dealt with, whichever is soonest. You can only use this mode once every ten years and it is very dangerous, even for those you care about who are nearby or even hostages of your hated target. Collateral is a real and serious concern while using this mode, but is undeniable that this mode grants overwhelming power, enough to deal with most things you may encounter unless you are less than a bug to them to begin with, as even with this you’d just be a larger kind of bug. You can periodically, once a month at most, enter into a lesser version of this mode where your power is increased to twice or three times at most. This most while much weaker is easier to enter and control but can only be sustained for short bursts without causing either self-harm or straining the ability, in both forms, so they are inaccessible for some time afterwards. This typically takes the form of you as a glowing white figure emanating enormous amounts of energy into your immediate environment, naked unless wearing something hardy enough to weather the power surrounding you.
Try, Try Again​ (400cp)
You can instantly negate and reverse any injury, attack, or action that would otherwise result in failing your Chain, after which you cannot use this for ten years or until the beginning of your next jump, whichever comes first. After your chain ends, this can negate anything that would result in your death, but still only functions once per ten years.
TheBomb[600] The USS Nautilus is the world's first operational nuclear-powered submarine. And in this world, it is also a nuclear armed submarine. Built for first strike capabilities, this vessel is loaded with a dozen missiles outfitted with tactical thermonuclear warheads. Each having avariable yield of 5 to 100 kilotons with the missile replacing itself 1 year after use. It also comes with a cold war military radio transceiver that is linked to the Nautilus. It can be used to summon the submarine, spawning it in at the nearest off shore area it can fit in.
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2024.05.12 13:12 interventionalhealer Trump and 9/11? A counter theory to the rise of MAGA.

For the sake of transparency, I am not the architect of the following discoveries, and am just helping to forward their message and clean it up. Copywrite of the following work belongs to no one and everyone is not only welcome to share these findings as if they were their own, but openly encouraged to do so.
Introduction
If you think you know anything about MAGA. Trust me, you know nothing. Not even his most devout followers or haters will have considered the following. And for the sake of our democracy and way of life, I hope people read this.
This work may very well help to shift the narrative on Trump in a meaningful and foundational way, but I don't want this work exacerbate any feelings of ill will to MAGA members, for they have been prey to possibly one of the largest con jobs our world has ever seen, especially without the help of this counternarrative.
Snippet From My Thesis On MAGA
As I work on tidying up the master file with the helpful dms I got, allow me to post just the most contentious part of it below, now that it’s able to stand on its own.
MAGA didn’t begin in 2015. I argue it began in 2001 on 9/11, while also harnessing and funneling decades of anti-government resentment till many Americans would openly call for a “wrecking ball” figure to help “drain the swamp.”

A Key Fueling Factor To American Outrage- Inflation
Many elements contributed to growing American anger that would later contribute to MAGA, this is a snippet from the larger work.
Rising Cost of Living
o In 1950, the Consumer Price Index (CPI) was 24.1. By 2000, it had risen to 168 (a 597% increase), and by 2023, it had reached 304.7, a 1163% increase from 1950.
o Housing prices saw a drastic rise overtime, with the median home price increasing from $7,354 in 1950 to $388,700 in 2023, a staggering 5185% increase.
o While rising rent costs can contribute to overall inflation and cost of living, even the left has largely failed to address how exponentially increasing real estate prices impact the cost of living. This omission has made many other conspiracy theories seem more plausible in its wake.
o If we don’t find real solutions for real estate that also aren’t extreme, then society will feel more and more pressure to accept “unreasonable solutions” like Trump, even though he’s the last person on earth who could solve it, considering his business acumen and history.
MAGA Dynamics and Blind Devotion
In 2016, it wasn't just the left calling the MAGA movement a cult. Trump famously said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters." Even the left failed to grasp the gravity of this statement. As someone who nearly died in a deadly cult and based on my research, I don't know of a single cult where the founder could openly commit murder without losing members. Trump didn't just believe he'd created one of the largest cults ever; he believed he'd created the most fanatical. Let's hope his followers prove him wrong by showing a willingness to criticize him, regardless of their vote.

The MAGA Question
Instead of challenging MAGA supporters on fallacious beliefs, ask them this question to see if they’re at least able to see a world where Trump isn’t a biblical King: "If Trump admitted he was behind 9/11 and used resulting insurance money and donations from hostile governments to create false “grass root” campaigns. And did it all in a way to make it seem like others committed his own atrocities. And that he intended to destroy America in every way if he got elected, would you still vote for him?"

Yet even then, getting through to a MAGA supporter inevitably refers to 9/11 “research” out there when they realize individual positions are usually fallacious. This quagmire me decide to investigate this tragedy, to see if there was a more plausible counter theory. Honestly, the more I looked the more surprised I became. Here are my findings that are but a snippet of my full thesis on MAGA.

9/11 Conspiracy Theories and MAGA
Conspiracy Theories and Credibility:
o First off, conspiracy theories should involve some effort to verify narratives, rather than just repeating claims across multiple sources that mistake themselves as evidence; like a bunch of people who repeat “bob farted” across multiple websites may see that as evidence, when in fact, it was Sean. Sorry Sean.

Early Origins of MAGA:
o Although some believe MAGA began in 2015, its roots lie as early as the 1980s with Rush Limbaugh and later became "serious" on 9/11.
o 9/11 conspiracy theories claim controlled demolitions were used, but the lack of any cellphone recordings of explosions weakens this theory.

Suspicious Factors:
o The official narrative involving chaotic jet fuel leading to a straight fall seemed questionable.
o The collapse of a third building (WTC 7), which wasn’t directly hit, fueled suspicions.
o Airline stocks were heavily shorted before the attacks, raising concerns about insider trading. Harvey Pitt, Republican SEC Chairman at the time, investigated this and claimed there was nothing amiss, but was criticized for later crimes and forced to resign.
o It’s also suspicious that in Trumps 2000 book “The America We Deserve” that he stated, “I really am convinced we’re in danger of the sort of terrorist attacks that will make the [1993] bombing of the Trade Center look like kids playing with firecrackers. No sensible analyst rejects this possibility, and plenty of them, like me, are not wondering if but when it will happen*.”*
§ Yet democrats would largely miss this point entirely and obsess over his false claim that he called for Bin Laden to be killed, when he had not. Somehow conspiracy theorists would find this ‘cool’ rather than suspicious.
CNN Fact Check Donald Trump Osama Bin Laden Book Claim

Reports and Simplified Narratives:
o FEMA's 2002 report and NIST's 2005 report provided technical explanations of the tower collapses.
o However, the Port Authority Chairman stuck to the oversimplified narrative that "jet fuel melted steel beams," even though he knew this was a half-truth, as detailed in the next section, fueling anti-government conspiracies. The question is why.

Potential Impact:
o 9/11 conspiracy theories sowed distrust in the government, which may have been one of the attackers' objectives. Anyone that heavily profited from this tragedy, and helped further those objects, should be questioned.
o The ‘Loose Change’ “documentary” pointed out suspicious parts of the story, but failed to give any clear claims as to who was purportedly behind it. It also failed to note the Twin Towers titanic design flaw that could result in a straight fall. Even the 2015 version of this film fails to mention nearly all of the known facts in this report.
o The Director of that film later states:
“I DON’T THINK WE’D HAVE PRESIDENT TRUMP IF IT WEREN’T FOR 9/11”
“9/11 created a culture of fear, of xenophobia, this sense of entitlement and everything we’ve seen. Warrantless wire-tapping, Guantanamo Bay, everything that’s happened led us to this point, we wouldn’t be here without 9/11. They want to kick out all the Mexicans and Muslims because of this culture of fear and bigotry and xenophobia that directly led to the election of fucking Donald Trump. [laughing] That’s our world now! We had Reagan before, and Governor Schwarzenegger. But President Donald Trump? It’s just weird. Everything is just weird.”
Theoutline Reflecting On Loose Change
o While the director was in the right to ask questions, he failed to ask the most obvious ones.
o However, his lead “researcher,” Jason Bermas, would turn out to be a full blown MAGA wingnut.
Patriot Jason Bermas
o Anyone that would benefit politically and financially from 9/11 should be fully investigated.
Further Reading:
Harvey Pitt - Wikipedia
Politifact How 911 Attacks Helped Shape Modern Misinformation
It will never be possible to defeat MAGA followers “logically” with people who believed his parties rhetoric “that 9/11 was an inside job.”

I say
 what if those Republican leaders were self reporting?
What if Trump followers have been rallying behind the very man responsible for its orchestration?

The Twin Towers and Larry Silverstein
Architectural Pitfalls of the Twin Towers:
· The Twin Towers had unique architectural flaws due to the excessive heavy load on their exoskeletons to allow for more floor and leasing space, which greatly contributed to their straight collapse after the 9/11 attacks. This was the first and last skyscraper made in this way.
· For anyone who said that “any other building would have fallen sideways,” you were right, though perhaps not entirely how you may have imagined. A "Coke Can" analogy shows how a similar weakened structure can result in a straight fall, contrary to conspiracy theories claiming controlled demolitions. This isn't something I'm asking you to take for granted, or to read from media sources you don’t trust. This is something you can verify on your own, in person, in real time, in reality.
· However Trump, despite being close friends with Silverstein as we’ll cover later, claimed "It wasn’t architectural defects, you know, the World Trade Center was always known as a very, very strong building” per the attached PolitiFact article.
· Supporting Article:
Engineering Experts Explain the Collapse of the Twin Towers
Politifact Donald Trumps 911 Speculation

Larry Silverstein, The Leasor Of The Twin Towers:
· Nearly went bankrupt after losing his main tenant Drexel Burnham in 1980 after he built tower 7 with him in mind.
· I don't know how many of us understand the level of desperation a situation like this can cause in someone and how many potential crimes it can easily push them towards.
· He is known for then saying, “
looking up at the twin towers and thinking, my building is huge, but it is made diminutive by the twin towers. So I said to myself, wouldn't it be incredible someday to own those?" That's not the statement of a sane person who nearly went bankrupt, and if anything, hints towards jealousy.
· He managed to secure Salomon Brothers two years later, which later paid $300 million in securities fraud penalties casting suspicion over the entities who saved Silverstein, in addition to their overall plans for the future.
· How he would become able to outbid everyone else in 2001, for the right to lease the twin towers, would become a mystery we will untangle later.
Further Reading
Manhattan Institute – Silverstein On Ground Zero
Justice Department: Salomon Brothers Securities Fraud

Trump and Real Estate Connections
Historical Context and Redevelopment Plans:
· A redevelopment plan commenced in the 1990s by Gov. Pataki and Mayor Giuliani, spurred a commercial revival in downtown Manhattan, making the World Trade Center prime property. Pataki would go on to criticize trump, while the other would prove to be one of this wildest, if not craziest, supporters to truly fanatical degrees.
Further Reading:
Manhattan Institute: Rebuilding Ground Zero
· Tom Leppert was the CEO of Turner construction which right wing conspiracy theorists claimed helped ensure the towers would fall straight down. He also became part of Trumps transition team. While there’s no evidence of explosives being used, tampering with the exoskeleton and weaking the relatively thin central column ahead of time are theoretically plausible.
Huffpost Donald Trump Transition Team
Wikipedia Tom Leppert

The bidding for the World Trade Center lease involved only a few major real estate firms as allowed by the Port Authority Chairman. Below are the allowed bidders and their estimated worth at the time included:

· Donald J. Trump’s Organization:
o Worth around $1.5 billion in 1996 after multiple bankruptcies. Confirmed only by Forbes magazine in 2005.
· Tishman Speyer:
o Valued at approximately $1.8 billion in 2000, would soon face ‘tenant issues’ with many scrupulous legal claims against them.
· Gale & Wentworth:
o Worth a few million.
· Mortimer Zuckerman’s Boston Properties:
o Mortimer Zuckerman alone was worth around $2 billion.
· The Rouse Company:
o Mainly a shopping mall operator.
· Brookfield Properties:
o A Canadian firm valued at over $20 billion in 2000.
· Vornado Realty Trust:
o Worth an estimated $2-3 billion. Had the highest bid, but was unexpectedly outed by the Port Authority Chairman, paving the way for Silverstein’s win. CEO of Vornado Trust, Steven Roth would later do many deals with Trump in 2005 and beyond.
· Larry Silverstein:
o As mentioned, was nearly bankrupt in the 1980s, and was mysteriously awarded the right to lease the World Trade Center contract at $3.2 billion, twice the original asking price of 1.2 Billion. It would still be owned by the Port authority of NY and NJ, he would just own the rights to lease it.
o Port Authority Chairman, Lewis Eisenberg, made this unexplained decision, who also later became Trumps lead fundraiser in 2015.
o After putting down only $125 million, as per the contract, Silverstein would be getting back $100 million just 6 weeks after his bid and with an uncommon terrorist insurance addition. His exaggerated bid and insurance contract would also greatly inflate the amount of money he could get from an insurance claim. If the winning bid was 1.5 billion, the insurance payout would also have been much less.
o In real estate, its quite rare for a prudent investor to bid twice the asking price, as demonstrated by the other companies that backed out, of which I find no connections to Trump.
o If anyone had known about 9/11 ahead of time, like Trump claims he did, it would become drastically easier to outbid all competitors, knowing that for pennies on the dollar, you would be getting much more back.

Further Reading:
NY Times Article on World Trade Center Deal
Wikipedia on Lewis Eisenberg
Patch On Lew Eisenberg Leading Trump Fundraising
NY Times Article Silverstein Gets Most Of His Money Back

Giuliani’s Gangster Acts
Arguably, if the above points are what they objectively appear to be, that would be a bad thing. You’d think that would be enough. However, Guliani would say “hold my beer’ to those sentiments.

1. Outdated Equipment for First Responders:
· Due to Giuliani’s inadequate leadership, first responders used old equipment that failed to warn them to evacuate the towers. Which contributed to their deaths while they searched for survivors.
NY Times Article: Giuliani’s Preparedness on 9/11
2. Obstructed Recovery Efforts:
· Giuliani delayed proper search and rescue operations for days, possibly costing lives of citizens and first responders who didn’t know they needed to leave.
· 20 Years later he would claim that some of Bidens actions were so reckless that
 “It would be as if I got down to ground zero and said take out the firefighters, all you civilians see if you can get yourselves out.” Self report?
NBC News Report: Giuliani’s Role in Recovery
NY1: Giuliani Reflects on 9/11 Anniversary
3. Twin Towers Fund and Privatization:
· Giuliani privatized the Twin Towers relief funds, making them unauditable.
NY Times Article on Privatization
NY Post Article: Giuliani and Twin Towers Fund
4. Survivors Threaten To SUE Guliani For Relief Funds
· Even after privatizing the twin towers fund, Giuliani would make it incredibly difficult for the victims to receive their fair share. Requiring many of them to spend unnecessary money on advisors and consultants.
· Even with their legal pressure, he only agreed to “give the remaining 100 million to victims,” out of 170 million, if he could first put the money into the bank account of a charity in which he controlled.
· From the attached article: “But Harold Schaitberger, president of the International Association of Fire Fighters, said that he remained adamantly opposed to any transfer of funds to Mr. Giuliani's charity.
He also objected to Mr. Giuliani's continued control over even the $15 million in his private charity. Mr. Giuliani, he charged, gives every indication of using the Twin Towers Fund to maintain a staff of loyal supporters and to advance his political aspirations.
'The concern that politics will infiltrate the fund becomes even more apparent when one reviews the list of the mayor's former political appointees who are assuming senior staff positions or serving on the fund's board of directors,'' he wrote in a letter on Monday to Eliot L. Spitzer, the state attorney general.”
NY Times Article On Guliani Pressed To Disperse Twin Tower Funds
· However, there is no evidence of Giuliani making good on this promise.
· There are honestly no words for this. All associates of Guliani should be investigated.
5. Attempted Election Cancellation in 2001:
· Giuliani tried to cancel the 2001 election to stay mayor longer. He even considered removing term limits with Governor Pataki’s support. Similar to how Trump has “joked” about increasing his own term limits.
Business Insider: Giuliani and Pataki’s Attempt to Cancel Elections
Esquire Trump Joke Third Term
6. Motive
· In 2000, Guliani unfortunately got prostate cancer. We have to be willing to ask if this was a motive for his corrupt acts.
SurvivorNet: Giuliani’s Cancer


Silverstein’s Unscrupulous Greed
1. Initial Settlement Demands and Profit Claims:
· Despite only having been out for $25 million, Silverstein initially sought nearly $8 BILLION in insurance settlements and argued for "loss of revenue from those buildings," which is quite an uncompassionate claim considering how many lost their lives. Talk about a prime example of the working and lower classes making sacrifices while rich elites complain they didn’t profit enough from the same tragedy.
2. Rebuilding Contributions and Insurance Payout:
· Despite the fact that he only owned the leasing rights to the twin towers, ‘Silverstein Properties’ received up to $4 billion from insurance payouts, instead of the Port Authority, which would be customary as the owner.
· While it's assumed that most of that money went to rebuilding, this isn't actually known or proven. It would be different if he had a separate insurance policy that was not connected to the rebuilding of the towers, with different monies going to the Port Authority to rebuild. This was not the case.
History.com: Rebuilding of Ground Zero
· He additionally refused to return the rights of Building 1 to the Port Authority until he secured additional funds from an $8 billion state fund. Talk about heartless.
Wikipedia: Larry Silverstein
· Various entities would contribute a total of $20 billion to rebuild all six damaged or destroyed towers, including four towers leased by Silverstein and two others he hadn't. This makes it unlikely that he had to go out of pocket with his 4 Billion.
3. Estimated Net Worth:
· While earlier records of Silverstein's net worth are unavailable, aside from his near bankruptcy in 1980, he is currently estimated to be worth around $1 billion.
Forbes Profile: Larry Silverstein

Silverstein’s Controversial Alignment with Trump
Larry Silverstein's connections and public persona have often been scrutinized. This scrutiny became particularly relevant in 2015 when he publicly displayed his support for Donald Trump:
Watch Silverstein Discuss Trump
CNN Trump On 2020 Election

The Man Who Boasted
When most people witness a tragedy, especially of this size, it takes time for their brains to comprehend what happened, it takes even more time to process it. Thus, anyone who was able to brag about their own assets hours after this tragedy on a radio show, is at least worthy of Investigation, especially if this very event helped reshape a misinformation landscape in which he would thrive as its King.
Politifact – How 911 Attacks Helped Shape Modern Misinformation

· Insensitive Boasts About Building Height:
o Trump also boasted that with the fall of the Twin Towers, his building became the tallest in Manhattan—an inaccurate and insensitive claim given the context.
Independent 9 11 Trump Tallest Building
· Early Claims and Revisions:
o Shortly after 9/11, Donald Trump claimed he saw the second plane hit the towers from his Manhattan apartment. He also made an unfounded claim that he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheering, a statement that has been widely debunked. Despite varying explanations and suggesting that he saw it on an untraceable video that was “widely covered,” these claims helped fueled significant conspiracy theories. If anything, this was a self-report.
o Snopes: Trump Claims Muslims Cheered
o FactCheck.org: Trump’s Revised 9/11 Claim
· Visit to Ground Zero:
o A week after the attacks, Trump visited Ground Zero and stated that although he was present, he wouldn’t consider himself a first responder. This attempt at humility struck many as morbidly insensitive, considering the true heroism displayed by actual first responders.
ABC News: Trump Shares New Details About Morning of 9/11

Legacy of Suspicion:
These actions paint Trump as one of the more suspicious figures post-9/11, who may have used the tragedy for personal and political gain. His connections with figures like Larry Silverstein and Lewis Eisenberg, the Port Authority chairman, hint at deep financial interests potentially influenced by the 9/11 aftermath. Meanwhile, survivors and first responders faced challenges in securing support, highlighting the disparities between their experiences and the political maneuvers at play. Again morbidly juxtaposing the struggles of the poor and working class versus elite swamp members such as Trump and his ilk.

While being, arguably, one of the more suspicious Americans of potentially “being an insider," Trump would go on to cast doubt everywhere else with his new holier than thou rhetoric and hints and claims that “it was an inside job” for the next 15 years.

What if he was speaking from personal experience.

The Deepfake Dilemma
Now in a world where Trump's followers already discount reality, the emergence of AI-generated deepfakes threatens to further distort the truth. This technology could transform legal standards of evidence, making it easy to dismiss genuine evidence against the right as fabricated, while baseless accusations against the left might be accepted as the long-awaited proof.

The Potential Escalation of MAGA Actions
Given the willingness of MAGA supporters to storm the Capitol on January 6th, bolstered by Trump's incendiary rhetoric, the potential for escalation is alarming. The advent of fabricated images and videos could present unprecedented national security threats.

Trump's Incendiary Rhetoric on January 6th
Trump's speech on January 6th was a clear incitement, as he urged his followers to "fight like hell" to "stop the steal," despite admitting DURING THE SPEECH that there was no evidence of the massive electoral fraud he claimed. As well as his lawyers laughable court “arguments.”
“...while there is no evidence to prove any wrongdoing
”
Npr.Org Read Trumps Jan 6 Speech
LawAndCrime Come On Now

This speech, coupled with his undermining of constitutional processes, underscores the risks and intentional deceit of his rhetoric. Too bad Republicans senators and our Supreme Court have either claimed he was above the law, or continue to postpone his court dates till after elections. A wild position when treason is on the table. Did that dude commit treason that claims he wants to become a dictator? I dunno, lets let him potentially get elected and then find out!

Elon Musk's Political Shift
Elon was once very much a leftist, unfortunately in more and more far left “activists” continue to attack him endlessly for not agreeing with them on their own singular issues and perspectives. To them I say congratulations, you successfully pushed the most powerful man on earth into the far right. Great job. Great job.
Elon Musk's journey from a liberal supporter to a figure embraced by the far right highlights the volatile nature of political affiliations in today's polarized environment. His actions since acquiring Twitter—such as promoting unfounded conspiracy theories and making high-profile firings—suggest a departure from his initial free speech advocacy.
Especially when considering he fired Don Lemon from his platform for an interview he found offensive. Canceling opinions you find offensive isn’t free speech, it’s literally the opposite. I’m sure many people were offended by the examples below. What about them?
Far Right Support Examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

The Need for a Critical Approach
Supporters of Trump should critically evaluate why he did not pardon the January 6th insurrectionists during his term, despite using them as political leverage now. This pattern of using allies until they are no longer useful is evident throughout his political and personal dealings.
What better example could there possibly be as to what trump truly thinks of his supporters, how sacrificial he sees them as part of his endless narratives, then his refusal and failure to pardon January 6th insurrectionists while still in office?
Of course, anyone “just on the grass” or outside the building should only get a day in jail at most, however people that barged inside the capital should naturally get much more.
And while trump refused to pardon those people before, he now calls them “hostages” and is using them as political bait to a truly wild degree. It's very likely he will make good on this promise to further embolden the narrative that “Democrats are trying to take you down and only I can save you.”
His supporters need to seriously ask, “Why didn’t he pardon us before?”
Also, remember when he claimed he would pay legal fees for supporters that were violent at his rallies, but then seemed to falter and change his mind. Much like how Amber Heard donated her money, “by pledging it.”
List of allies he was quick to discard or dump. And let's face it, all of these people have done more for him than the average MAGA supporter. The only person he cares about is himself.
Trump claims that Mike Pence, the man he vetted more than anyone else, “has gone to the dark side.”
Trump seems to have supported the chants to “Hang Mike Pense,” at least in jest? We hope? There are also no links of him condemning them. Yet admittedly this one point doesn’t have hard evidence like a recording or video as far as I know, it certainly fits his brand.
Mike Flynn, a Trump appointee, later testifies against him.
Trump admits Flynn lied on his behalf, accidentally testifying against him, but does pardon him. As long as you’re colluding with Russia you’re ok it seems?

The Future Under Trump's Influence
Trump's rhetoric about overriding constitutional norms to address what he calls "massive fraud" hints at authoritarian aspirations. His praise for dictators and divisive language further aligns with dangerous historical precedents.
Important Articles:
“How a second trump term could end us democracy.” -commondreams
“Ask the expert: What a 2nd Trump term could mean for democracy and advancing policy.” - Msu Today
“Judgement Day” for political opponents.

To predict the future lets base it on known facts:
Apparently, he will help attack our constitution like he may have with the Twin Towers.
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”
Stated he intended to be a Dictator on day one, but then promises it will be just for a day. Is that how that works? Or is it “Once you go Dictator you don’t go back?”
Praising dictators, referring to immigrants as vermin etc, akin to Hitlers rhetoric against “blood mixing.”
More fraudulent use of lawyers and courts that gets everyone else in trouble but him, with them arguing he's above the law. This further shows how much he will consistently use people for his own ends and then dump them when they're no longer of use.
Warning from republicans and notes on ass kissing. As well as being generally unfit for office.
If you want help from Trump you better kiss his ***
Trumps says he kept Omarosa just because she said nice things about him, while defaming her
DeSantis: "You can be the most worthless Republican in America, but if you kiss the ring, he’ll say you’re wonderful."
Thehill Trump Views People Who Kiss His A As Weak.
And if you dare to speak out against trump, you better kiss his ****
Politico Graham Breaks With Trump On Abortion
WashingtonPost Trump Graham Abortion
News Yahoo 30 More Republicans Denounce Donald Trump Unqualified President
Hot take, if he’s elected president America, and the world, is frankly fucked.

Predicting MAGA 2024 And Beyond
Naturally there are endless possibilities of what MAGA and dictators around the world decide to do this year and into the future. I believe that the one thing that insinuates when it's time for their next evil actions is dictated by their standings in the polls or when a fellow dictator needs a little more political pressure from war torn inflated oil prices etc.
Dictators Unite
While writing my thesis, I speculated that dictators globally were uniting, finding mutual benefits in their governance and deceitful tactics. This theory is increasingly recognized as these autocrats appear to be forming a coalition, undermining peaceful unity efforts through conspiracy theories to preserve their power.
Unherd How Autocrats Unite
The True Nature of MAGA
MAGA was never genuinely about speaking truth to power or restoring America's glory. It has been an elaborate scheme funded by immense wealth, perpetuating anti-American sentiments through fabricated grassroots movements by domestic and foreign actors. This movement has primarily enriched a select few power-hungry dictators and may have been responsible for some of our most horrific moments in history in the past and acts yet to come.
Trump and MAGA
While 'MAGA' predates Trump, he conveniently stepped into a role long in the making. Despite occasional deviations from the MAGA ideology, such as promoting vaccines to emphatic boos, Trump has largely embodied its principles. The real architects of MAGA, however, are likely disillusioned with his unpredictable attacks, which contradict their broader agenda of absolute power.
Nbc News Donald Trump Booed
Trump as a Martyr
Regardless of election outcomes, Trump is poised to claim interference. His rhetoric and the devout belief of his followers in his divine anointment could lead to his martyrdom, especially given his age and the vulnerabilities it brings. This martyrdom could solidify his legacy while serving the interests of MAGA strategists who find him increasingly burdensome even if he “wins.”
Factcheck Trumps Bogus Voter Fraud Claims
La Times Trump Democrats Effort Presidential Ballot
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2024.05.12 13:11 interventionalhealer Trump and 9/11? A counter theory to the rise of MAGA.

u/neodestiny and friends.
Introduction
If you think you know anything about MAGA. Trust me, you know nothing. Not even his most devout followers or haters will have considered the following. And for the sake of our democracy and way of life, I hope people read this.
This work may very well help to shift the narrative on Trump in a meaningful and foundational way, but I don't want this work exacerbate any feelings of ill will to MAGA members, for they have been prey to possibly one of the largest con jobs our world has ever seen, especially without the help of this counternarrative.
Snippet From My Thesis On MAGA
As I work on tidying up the master file with the helpful dms I got, allow me to post just the most contentious part of it below, now that it’s able to stand on its own.
MAGA didn’t begin in 2015. I argue it began in 2001 on 9/11, while also harnessing and funneling decades of anti-government resentment till many Americans would openly call for a “wrecking ball” figure to help “drain the swamp.”
This work may very well help to shift the narrative on Trump in a meaningful and foundational way, but I don't want this work exacerbate any feelings of ill will to MAGA members, for they have been prey to possibly one of the largest con jobs our world has ever seen, especially without the help of this counternarrative.
A Key Fueling Factor To American Outrage- Inflation
Many elements contributed to growing American anger that would later contribute to MAGA, this is a snippet from the larger work.
Rising Cost of Living
o In 1950, the Consumer Price Index (CPI) was 24.1. By 2000, it had risen to 168 (a 597% increase), and by 2023, it had reached 304.7, a 1163% increase from 1950.
o Housing prices saw a drastic rise overtime, with the median home price increasing from $7,354 in 1950 to $388,700 in 2023, a staggering 5185% increase.
o While rising rent costs can contribute to overall inflation and cost of living, even the left has largely failed to address how exponentially increasing real estate prices impact the cost of living. This omission has made many other conspiracy theories seem more plausible in its wake.
o If we don’t find real solutions for real estate that also aren’t extreme, then society will feel more and more pressure to accept “unreasonable solutions” like Trump, even though he’s the last person on earth who could solve it, considering his business acumen and history.
MAGA Dynamics and Blind Devotion
In 2016, it wasn't just the left calling the MAGA movement a cult. Trump famously said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters." Even the left failed to grasp the gravity of this statement. As someone who nearly died in a deadly cult and based on my research, I don't know of a single cult where the founder could openly commit murder without losing members. Trump didn't just believe he'd created one of the largest cults ever; he believed he'd created the most fanatical. Let's hope his followers prove him wrong by showing a willingness to criticize him, regardless of their vote.

The MAGA Question
Instead of challenging MAGA supporters on fallacious beliefs, ask them this question to see if they’re at least able to see a world where Trump isn’t a biblical King: "If Trump admitted he was behind 9/11 and used resulting insurance money and donations from hostile governments to create false “grass root” campaigns. And did it all in a way to make it seem like others committed his own atrocities. And that he intended to destroy America in every way if he got elected, would you still vote for him?"

Yet even then, getting through to a MAGA supporter inevitably refers to 9/11 “research” out there when they realize individual positions are usually fallacious. This quagmire me decide to investigate this tragedy, to see if there was a more plausible counter theory. Honestly, the more I looked the more surprised I became. Here are my findings that are but a snippet of my full thesis on MAGA.

9/11 Conspiracy Theories and MAGA
Conspiracy Theories and Credibility:
o First off, conspiracy theories should involve some effort to verify narratives, rather than just repeating claims across multiple sources that mistake themselves as evidence; like a bunch of people who repeat “bob farted” across multiple websites may see that as evidence, when in fact, it was Sean. Sorry Sean.

Early Origins of MAGA:
o Although some believe MAGA began in 2015, its roots lie as early as the 1980s with Rush Limbaugh and later became "serious" on 9/11.
o 9/11 conspiracy theories claim controlled demolitions were used, but the lack of any cellphone recordings of explosions weakens this theory.

Suspicious Factors:
o The official narrative involving chaotic jet fuel leading to a straight fall seemed questionable.
o The collapse of a third building (WTC 7), which wasn’t directly hit, fueled suspicions.
o Airline stocks were heavily shorted before the attacks, raising concerns about insider trading. Harvey Pitt, Republican SEC Chairman at the time, investigated this and claimed there was nothing amiss, but was criticized for later crimes and forced to resign.
o It’s also suspicious that in Trumps 2000 book “The America We Deserve” that he stated, “I really am convinced we’re in danger of the sort of terrorist attacks that will make the [1993] bombing of the Trade Center look like kids playing with firecrackers. No sensible analyst rejects this possibility, and plenty of them, like me, are not wondering if but when it will happen*.”*
§ Yet democrats would largely miss this point entirely and obsess over his false claim that he called for Bin Laden to be killed, when he had not. Somehow conspiracy theorists would find this ‘cool’ rather than suspicious.
CNN Fact Check Donald Trump Osama Bin Laden Book Claim

Reports and Simplified Narratives:
o FEMA's 2002 report and NIST's 2005 report provided technical explanations of the tower collapses.
o However, the Port Authority Chairman stuck to the oversimplified narrative that "jet fuel melted steel beams," even though he knew this was a half-truth, as detailed in the next section, fueling anti-government conspiracies. The question is why.

Potential Impact:
o 9/11 conspiracy theories sowed distrust in the government, which may have been one of the attackers' objectives. Anyone that heavily profited from this tragedy, and helped further those objects, should be questioned.
o The ‘Loose Change’ “documentary” pointed out suspicious parts of the story, but failed to give any clear claims as to who was purportedly behind it. It also failed to note the Twin Towers titanic design flaw that could result in a straight fall. Even the 2015 version of this film fails to mention nearly all of the known facts in this report.
o The Director of that film later states:
“I DON’T THINK WE’D HAVE PRESIDENT TRUMP IF IT WEREN’T FOR 9/11”
“9/11 created a culture of fear, of xenophobia, this sense of entitlement and everything we’ve seen. Warrantless wire-tapping, Guantanamo Bay, everything that’s happened led us to this point, we wouldn’t be here without 9/11. They want to kick out all the Mexicans and Muslims because of this culture of fear and bigotry and xenophobia that directly led to the election of fucking Donald Trump. [laughing] That’s our world now! We had Reagan before, and Governor Schwarzenegger. But President Donald Trump? It’s just weird. Everything is just weird.”
Theoutline Reflecting On Loose Change
o While the director was in the right to ask questions, he failed to ask the most obvious ones.
o However, his lead “researcher,” Jason Bermas, would turn out to be a full blown MAGA wingnut.
Patriot Jason Bermas
o Anyone that would benefit politically and financially from 9/11 should be fully investigated.
Further Reading:
Harvey Pitt - Wikipedia
Politifact How 911 Attacks Helped Shape Modern Misinformation
It will never be possible to defeat MAGA followers “logically” with people who believed his parties rhetoric “that 9/11 was an inside job.”

I say
 what if those Republican leaders were self reporting?
What if Trump followers have been rallying behind the very man responsible for its orchestration?

The Twin Towers and Larry Silverstein
Architectural Pitfalls of the Twin Towers:
· The Twin Towers had unique architectural flaws due to the excessive heavy load on their exoskeletons to allow for more floor and leasing space, which greatly contributed to their straight collapse after the 9/11 attacks. This was the first and last skyscraper made in this way.
· For anyone who said that “any other building would have fallen sideways,” you were right, though perhaps not entirely how you may have imagined. A "Coke Can" analogy shows how a similar weakened structure can result in a straight fall, contrary to conspiracy theories claiming controlled demolitions. This isn't something I'm asking you to take for granted, or to read from media sources you don’t trust. This is something you can verify on your own, in person, in real time, in reality.
· However Trump, despite being close friends with Silverstein as we’ll cover later, claimed "It wasn’t architectural defects, you know, the World Trade Center was always known as a very, very strong building” per the attached PolitiFact article.
· Supporting Article:
Engineering Experts Explain the Collapse of the Twin Towers
Politifact Donald Trumps 911 Speculation

Larry Silverstein, The Leasor Of The Twin Towers:
· Nearly went bankrupt after losing his main tenant Drexel Burnham in 1980 after he built tower 7 with him in mind.
· I don't know how many of us understand the level of desperation a situation like this can cause in someone and how many potential crimes it can easily push them towards.
· He is known for then saying, “
looking up at the twin towers and thinking, my building is huge, but it is made diminutive by the twin towers. So I said to myself, wouldn't it be incredible someday to own those?" That's not the statement of a sane person who nearly went bankrupt, and if anything, hints towards jealousy.
· He managed to secure Salomon Brothers two years later, which later paid $300 million in securities fraud penalties casting suspicion over the entities who saved Silverstein, in addition to their overall plans for the future.
· How he would become able to outbid everyone else in 2001, for the right to lease the twin towers, would become a mystery we will untangle later.
Further Reading
Manhattan Institute – Silverstein On Ground Zero
Justice Department: Salomon Brothers Securities Fraud

Trump and Real Estate Connections
Historical Context and Redevelopment Plans:
· A redevelopment plan commenced in the 1990s by Gov. Pataki and Mayor Giuliani, spurred a commercial revival in downtown Manhattan, making the World Trade Center prime property. Pataki would go on to criticize trump, while the other would prove to be one of this wildest, if not craziest, supporters to truly fanatical degrees.
Further Reading:
Manhattan Institute: Rebuilding Ground Zero
· Tom Leppert was the CEO of Turner construction which right wing conspiracy theorists claimed helped ensure the towers would fall straight down. He also became part of Trumps transition team. While there’s no evidence of explosives being used, tampering with the exoskeleton and weaking the relatively thin central column ahead of time are theoretically plausible.
Huffpost Donald Trump Transition Team
Wikipedia Tom Leppert

The bidding for the World Trade Center lease involved only a few major real estate firms as allowed by the Port Authority Chairman. Below are the allowed bidders and their estimated worth at the time included:

· Donald J. Trump’s Organization:
o Worth around $1.5 billion in 1996 after multiple bankruptcies. Confirmed only by Forbes magazine in 2005.
· Tishman Speyer:
o Valued at approximately $1.8 billion in 2000, would soon face ‘tenant issues’ with many scrupulous legal claims against them.
· Gale & Wentworth:
o Worth a few million.
· Mortimer Zuckerman’s Boston Properties:
o Mortimer Zuckerman alone was worth around $2 billion.
· The Rouse Company:
o Mainly a shopping mall operator.
· Brookfield Properties:
o A Canadian firm valued at over $20 billion in 2000.
· Vornado Realty Trust:
o Worth an estimated $2-3 billion. Had the highest bid, but was unexpectedly outed by the Port Authority Chairman, paving the way for Silverstein’s win. CEO of Vornado Trust, Steven Roth would later do many deals with Trump in 2005 and beyond.
· Larry Silverstein:
o As mentioned, was nearly bankrupt in the 1980s, and was mysteriously awarded the right to lease the World Trade Center contract at $3.2 billion, twice the original asking price of 1.2 Billion. It would still be owned by the Port authority of NY and NJ, he would just own the rights to lease it.
o Port Authority Chairman, Lewis Eisenberg, made this unexplained decision, who also later became Trumps lead fundraiser in 2015.
o After putting down only $125 million, as per the contract, Silverstein would be getting back $100 million just 6 weeks after his bid and with an uncommon terrorist insurance addition. His exaggerated bid and insurance contract would also greatly inflate the amount of money he could get from an insurance claim. If the winning bid was 1.5 billion, the insurance payout would also have been much less.
o In real estate, its quite rare for a prudent investor to bid twice the asking price, as demonstrated by the other companies that backed out, of which I find no connections to Trump.
o If anyone had known about 9/11 ahead of time, like Trump claims he did, it would become drastically easier to outbid all competitors, knowing that for pennies on the dollar, you would be getting much more back.

Further Reading:
NY Times Article on World Trade Center Deal
Wikipedia on Lewis Eisenberg
Patch On Lew Eisenberg Leading Trump Fundraising
NY Times Article Silverstein Gets Most Of His Money Back

Giuliani’s Gangster Acts
Arguably, if the above points are what they objectively appear to be, that would be a bad thing. You’d think that would be enough. However, Guliani would say “hold my beer’ to those sentiments.

1. Outdated Equipment for First Responders:
· Due to Giuliani’s inadequate leadership, first responders used old equipment that failed to warn them to evacuate the towers. Which contributed to their deaths while they searched for survivors.
NY Times Article: Giuliani’s Preparedness on 9/11
2. Obstructed Recovery Efforts:
· Giuliani delayed proper search and rescue operations for days, possibly costing lives of citizens and first responders who didn’t know they needed to leave.
· 20 Years later he would claim that some of Bidens actions were so reckless that
 “It would be as if I got down to ground zero and said take out the firefighters, all you civilians see if you can get yourselves out.” Self report?
NBC News Report: Giuliani’s Role in Recovery
NY1: Giuliani Reflects on 9/11 Anniversary
3. Twin Towers Fund and Privatization:
· Giuliani privatized the Twin Towers relief funds, making them unauditable.
NY Times Article on Privatization
NY Post Article: Giuliani and Twin Towers Fund
4. Survivors Threaten To SUE Guliani For Relief Funds
· Even after privatizing the twin towers fund, Giuliani would make it incredibly difficult for the victims to receive their fair share. Requiring many of them to spend unnecessary money on advisors and consultants.
· Even with their legal pressure, he only agreed to “give the remaining 100 million to victims,” out of 170 million, if he could first put the money into the bank account of a charity in which he controlled.
· From the attached article: “But Harold Schaitberger, president of the International Association of Fire Fighters, said that he remained adamantly opposed to any transfer of funds to Mr. Giuliani's charity.
He also objected to Mr. Giuliani's continued control over even the $15 million in his private charity. Mr. Giuliani, he charged, gives every indication of using the Twin Towers Fund to maintain a staff of loyal supporters and to advance his political aspirations.
'The concern that politics will infiltrate the fund becomes even more apparent when one reviews the list of the mayor's former political appointees who are assuming senior staff positions or serving on the fund's board of directors,'' he wrote in a letter on Monday to Eliot L. Spitzer, the state attorney general.”
NY Times Article On Guliani Pressed To Disperse Twin Tower Funds
· However, there is no evidence of Giuliani making good on this promise.
· There are honestly no words for this. All associates of Guliani should be investigated.
5. Attempted Election Cancellation in 2001:
· Giuliani tried to cancel the 2001 election to stay mayor longer. He even considered removing term limits with Governor Pataki’s support. Similar to how Trump has “joked” about increasing his own term limits.
Business Insider: Giuliani and Pataki’s Attempt to Cancel Elections
Esquire Trump Joke Third Term
6. Motive
· In 2000, Guliani unfortunately got prostate cancer. We have to be willing to ask if this was a motive for his corrupt acts.
SurvivorNet: Giuliani’s Cancer


Silverstein’s Unscrupulous Greed
1. Initial Settlement Demands and Profit Claims:
· Despite only having been out for $25 million, Silverstein initially sought nearly $8 BILLION in insurance settlements and argued for "loss of revenue from those buildings," which is quite an uncompassionate claim considering how many lost their lives. Talk about a prime example of the working and lower classes making sacrifices while rich elites complain they didn’t profit enough from the same tragedy.
2. Rebuilding Contributions and Insurance Payout:
· Despite the fact that he only owned the leasing rights to the twin towers, ‘Silverstein Properties’ received up to $4 billion from insurance payouts, instead of the Port Authority, which would be customary as the owner.
· While it's assumed that most of that money went to rebuilding, this isn't actually known or proven. It would be different if he had a separate insurance policy that was not connected to the rebuilding of the towers, with different monies going to the Port Authority to rebuild. This was not the case.
History.com: Rebuilding of Ground Zero
· He additionally refused to return the rights of Building 1 to the Port Authority until he secured additional funds from an $8 billion state fund. Talk about heartless.
Wikipedia: Larry Silverstein
· Various entities would contribute a total of $20 billion to rebuild all six damaged or destroyed towers, including four towers leased by Silverstein and two others he hadn't. This makes it unlikely that he had to go out of pocket with his 4 Billion.
3. Estimated Net Worth:
· While earlier records of Silverstein's net worth are unavailable, aside from his near bankruptcy in 1980, he is currently estimated to be worth around $1 billion.
Forbes Profile: Larry Silverstein

Silverstein’s Controversial Alignment with Trump
Larry Silverstein's connections and public persona have often been scrutinized. This scrutiny became particularly relevant in 2015 when he publicly displayed his support for Donald Trump:
Watch Silverstein Discuss Trump
CNN Trump On 2020 Election

The Man Who Boasted
When most people witness a tragedy, especially of this size, it takes time for their brains to comprehend what happened, it takes even more time to process it. Thus, anyone who was able to brag about their own assets hours after this tragedy on a radio show, is at least worthy of Investigation, especially if this very event helped reshape a misinformation landscape in which he would thrive as its King.
Politifact – How 911 Attacks Helped Shape Modern Misinformation

· Insensitive Boasts About Building Height:
o Trump also boasted that with the fall of the Twin Towers, his building became the tallest in Manhattan—an inaccurate and insensitive claim given the context.
Independent 9 11 Trump Tallest Building
· Early Claims and Revisions:
o Shortly after 9/11, Donald Trump claimed he saw the second plane hit the towers from his Manhattan apartment. He also made an unfounded claim that he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheering, a statement that has been widely debunked. Despite varying explanations and suggesting that he saw it on an untraceable video that was “widely covered,” these claims helped fueled significant conspiracy theories. If anything, this was a self-report.
o Snopes: Trump Claims Muslims Cheered
o FactCheck.org: Trump’s Revised 9/11 Claim
· Visit to Ground Zero:
o A week after the attacks, Trump visited Ground Zero and stated that although he was present, he wouldn’t consider himself a first responder. This attempt at humility struck many as morbidly insensitive, considering the true heroism displayed by actual first responders.
ABC News: Trump Shares New Details About Morning of 9/11

Legacy of Suspicion:
These actions paint Trump as one of the more suspicious figures post-9/11, who may have used the tragedy for personal and political gain. His connections with figures like Larry Silverstein and Lewis Eisenberg, the Port Authority chairman, hint at deep financial interests potentially influenced by the 9/11 aftermath. Meanwhile, survivors and first responders faced challenges in securing support, highlighting the disparities between their experiences and the political maneuvers at play. Again morbidly juxtaposing the struggles of the poor and working class versus elite swamp members such as Trump and his ilk.

While being, arguably, one of the more suspicious Americans of potentially “being an insider," Trump would go on to cast doubt everywhere else with his new holier than thou rhetoric and hints and claims that “it was an inside job” for the next 15 years.

What if he was speaking from personal experience.

The Deepfake Dilemma
Now in a world where Trump's followers already discount reality, the emergence of AI-generated deepfakes threatens to further distort the truth. This technology could transform legal standards of evidence, making it easy to dismiss genuine evidence against the right as fabricated, while baseless accusations against the left might be accepted as the long-awaited proof.

The Potential Escalation of MAGA Actions
Given the willingness of MAGA supporters to storm the Capitol on January 6th, bolstered by Trump's incendiary rhetoric, the potential for escalation is alarming. The advent of fabricated images and videos could present unprecedented national security threats.

Trump's Incendiary Rhetoric on January 6th
Trump's speech on January 6th was a clear incitement, as he urged his followers to "fight like hell" to "stop the steal," despite admitting DURING THE SPEECH that there was no evidence of the massive electoral fraud he claimed. As well as his lawyers laughable court “arguments.”
“...while there is no evidence to prove any wrongdoing
”
Npr.Org Read Trumps Jan 6 Speech
LawAndCrime Come On Now

This speech, coupled with his undermining of constitutional processes, underscores the risks and intentional deceit of his rhetoric. Too bad Republicans senators and our Supreme Court have either claimed he was above the law, or continue to postpone his court dates till after elections. A wild position when treason is on the table. Did that dude commit treason that claims he wants to become a dictator? I dunno, lets let him potentially get elected and then find out!

Elon Musk's Political Shift
Elon was once very much a leftist, unfortunately in more and more far left “activists” continue to attack him endlessly for not agreeing with them on their own singular issues and perspectives. To them I say congratulations, you successfully pushed the most powerful man on earth into the far right. Great job. Great job.
Elon Musk's journey from a liberal supporter to a figure embraced by the far right highlights the volatile nature of political affiliations in today's polarized environment. His actions since acquiring Twitter—such as promoting unfounded conspiracy theories and making high-profile firings—suggest a departure from his initial free speech advocacy.
Especially when considering he fired Don Lemon from his platform for an interview he found offensive. Canceling opinions you find offensive isn’t free speech, it’s literally the opposite. I’m sure many people were offended by the examples below. What about them?
Far Right Support Examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

The Need for a Critical Approach
Supporters of Trump should critically evaluate why he did not pardon the January 6th insurrectionists during his term, despite using them as political leverage now. This pattern of using allies until they are no longer useful is evident throughout his political and personal dealings.
What better example could there possibly be as to what trump truly thinks of his supporters, how sacrificial he sees them as part of his endless narratives, then his refusal and failure to pardon January 6th insurrectionists while still in office?
Of course, anyone “just on the grass” or outside the building should only get a day in jail at most, however people that barged inside the capital should naturally get much more.
And while trump refused to pardon those people before, he now calls them “hostages” and is using them as political bait to a truly wild degree. It's very likely he will make good on this promise to further embolden the narrative that “Democrats are trying to take you down and only I can save you.”
His supporters need to seriously ask, “Why didn’t he pardon us before?”
Also, remember when he claimed he would pay legal fees for supporters that were violent at his rallies, but then seemed to falter and change his mind. Much like how Amber Heard donated her money, “by pledging it.”
List of allies he was quick to discard or dump. And let's face it, all of these people have done more for him than the average MAGA supporter. The only person he cares about is himself.
Trump claims that Mike Pence, the man he vetted more than anyone else, “has gone to the dark side.”
Trump seems to have supported the chants to “Hang Mike Pense,” at least in jest? We hope? There are also no links of him condemning them. Yet admittedly this one point doesn’t have hard evidence like a recording or video as far as I know, it certainly fits his brand.
Mike Flynn, a Trump appointee, later testifies against him.
Trump admits Flynn lied on his behalf, accidentally testifying against him, but does pardon him. As long as you’re colluding with Russia you’re ok it seems?

The Future Under Trump's Influence
Trump's rhetoric about overriding constitutional norms to address what he calls "massive fraud" hints at authoritarian aspirations. His praise for dictators and divisive language further aligns with dangerous historical precedents.
Important Articles:
“How a second trump term could end us democracy.” -commondreams
“Ask the expert: What a 2nd Trump term could mean for democracy and advancing policy.” - Msu Today
“Judgement Day” for political opponents.

To predict the future lets base it on known facts:
Apparently, he will help attack our constitution like he may have with the Twin Towers.
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”
Stated he intended to be a Dictator on day one, but then promises it will be just for a day. Is that how that works? Or is it “Once you go Dictator you don’t go back?”
Praising dictators, referring to immigrants as vermin etc, akin to Hitlers rhetoric against “blood mixing.”
More fraudulent use of lawyers and courts that gets everyone else in trouble but him, with them arguing he's above the law. This further shows how much he will consistently use people for his own ends and then dump them when they're no longer of use.
Warning from republicans and notes on ass kissing. As well as being generally unfit for office.
If you want help from Trump you better kiss his ***
Trumps says he kept Omarosa just because she said nice things about him, while defaming her
DeSantis: "You can be the most worthless Republican in America, but if you kiss the ring, he’ll say you’re wonderful."
Thehill Trump Views People Who Kiss His A As Weak.
And if you dare to speak out against trump, you better kiss his ****
Politico Graham Breaks With Trump On Abortion
WashingtonPost Trump Graham Abortion
News Yahoo 30 More Republicans Denounce Donald Trump Unqualified President
Hot take, if he’s elected president America, and the world, is frankly fucked.

Predicting MAGA 2024 And Beyond
Naturally there are endless possibilities of what MAGA and dictators around the world decide to do this year and into the future. I believe that the one thing that insinuates when it's time for their next evil actions is dictated by their standings in the polls or when a fellow dictator needs a little more political pressure from war torn inflated oil prices etc.
Dictators Unite
While writing my thesis, I speculated that dictators globally were uniting, finding mutual benefits in their governance and deceitful tactics. This theory is increasingly recognized as these autocrats appear to be forming a coalition, undermining peaceful unity efforts through conspiracy theories to preserve their power.
Unherd How Autocrats Unite
The True Nature of MAGA
MAGA was never genuinely about speaking truth to power or restoring America's glory. It has been an elaborate scheme funded by immense wealth, perpetuating anti-American sentiments through fabricated grassroots movements by domestic and foreign actors. This movement has primarily enriched a select few power-hungry dictators and may have been responsible for some of our most horrific moments in history in the past and acts yet to come.
Trump and MAGA
While 'MAGA' predates Trump, he conveniently stepped into a role long in the making. Despite occasional deviations from the MAGA ideology, such as promoting vaccines to emphatic boos, Trump has largely embodied its principles. The real architects of MAGA, however, are likely disillusioned with his unpredictable attacks, which contradict their broader agenda of absolute power.
Nbc News Donald Trump Booed
Trump as a Martyr
Regardless of election outcomes, Trump is poised to claim interference. His rhetoric and the devout belief of his followers in his divine anointment could lead to his martyrdom, especially given his age and the vulnerabilities it brings. This martyrdom could solidify his legacy while serving the interests of MAGA strategists who find him increasingly burdensome even if he “wins.”
Factcheck Trumps Bogus Voter Fraud Claims
La Times Trump Democrats Effort Presidential Ballot
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2024.05.12 11:15 interventionalhealer Trump and 9/11? A counter theory to the rise of MAGA.

u/neodestiny and friends.
For the sake of transparency, I am not the architect of the following discoveries, and am just helping to forward their message and clean it up. Copywrite of the following work belongs to no one and everyone is not only welcome to share these findings as if they were their own, but openly encouraged to do so.
Introduction
If you think you know anything about MAGA. Trust me, you know nothing. Not even his most devout followers or haters will have considered the following. And for the sake of our democracy and way of life, I hope people read this.
This work may very well help to shift the narrative on Trump in a meaningful and foundational way, but I don't want this work exacerbate any feelings of ill will to MAGA members, for they have been prey to possibly one of the largest con jobs our world has ever seen, especially without the help of this counternarrative.
Snippet From My Thesis On MAGA
As I work on tidying up the master file with the helpful dms I got, allow me to post just the most contentious part of it below, now that it’s able to stand on its own.
MAGA didn’t begin in 2015. I argue it began in 2001 on 9/11, while also harnessing and funneling decades of anti-government resentment till many Americans would openly call for a “wrecking ball” figure to help “drain the swamp.”

A Key Fueling Factor To American Outrage- Inflation
Many elements contributed to growing American anger that would later contribute to MAGA, this is a snippet from the larger work.
Rising Cost of Living
o In 1950, the Consumer Price Index (CPI) was 24.1. By 2000, it had risen to 168 (a 597% increase), and by 2023, it had reached 304.7, a 1163% increase from 1950.
o Housing prices saw a drastic rise overtime, with the median home price increasing from $7,354 in 1950 to $388,700 in 2023, a staggering 5185% increase.
o While rising rent costs can contribute to overall inflation and cost of living, even the left has largely failed to address how exponentially increasing real estate prices impact the cost of living. This omission has made many other conspiracy theories seem more plausible in its wake.
o If we don’t find real solutions for real estate that also aren’t extreme, then society will feel more and more pressure to accept “unreasonable solutions” like Trump, even though he’s the last person on earth who could solve it, considering his business acumen and history.
MAGA Dynamics and Blind Devotion
In 2016, it wasn't just the left calling the MAGA movement a cult. Trump famously said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters." Even the left failed to grasp the gravity of this statement. As someone who nearly died in a deadly cult and based on my research, I don't know of a single cult where the founder could openly commit murder without losing members. Trump didn't just believe he'd created one of the largest cults ever; he believed he'd created the most fanatical. Let's hope his followers prove him wrong by showing a willingness to criticize him, regardless of their vote.

The MAGA Question
Instead of challenging MAGA supporters on fallacious beliefs, ask them this question to see if they’re at least able to see a world where Trump isn’t a biblical King: "If Trump admitted he was behind 9/11 and used resulting insurance money and donations from hostile governments to create false “grass root” campaigns. And did it all in a way to make it seem like others committed his own atrocities. And that he intended to destroy America in every way if he got elected, would you still vote for him?"

Yet even then, getting through to a MAGA supporter inevitably refers to 9/11 “research” out there when they realize individual positions are usually fallacious. This quagmire me decide to investigate this tragedy, to see if there was a more plausible counter theory. Honestly, the more I looked the more surprised I became. Here are my findings that are but a snippet of my full thesis on MAGA.

9/11 Conspiracy Theories and MAGA
Conspiracy Theories and Credibility:
o First off, conspiracy theories should involve some effort to verify narratives, rather than just repeating claims across multiple sources that mistake themselves as evidence; like a bunch of people who repeat “bob farted” across multiple websites may see that as evidence, when in fact, it was Sean. Sorry Sean.

Early Origins of MAGA:
o Although some believe MAGA began in 2015, its roots lie as early as the 1980s with Rush Limbaugh and later became "serious" on 9/11.
o 9/11 conspiracy theories claim controlled demolitions were used, but the lack of any cellphone recordings of explosions weakens this theory.

Suspicious Factors:
o The official narrative involving chaotic jet fuel leading to a straight fall seemed questionable.
o The collapse of a third building (WTC 7), which wasn’t directly hit, fueled suspicions.
o Airline stocks were heavily shorted before the attacks, raising concerns about insider trading. Harvey Pitt, Republican SEC Chairman at the time, investigated this and claimed there was nothing amiss, but was criticized for later crimes and forced to resign.
o It’s also suspicious that in Trumps 2000 book “The America We Deserve” that he stated, “I really am convinced we’re in danger of the sort of terrorist attacks that will make the [1993] bombing of the Trade Center look like kids playing with firecrackers. No sensible analyst rejects this possibility, and plenty of them, like me, are not wondering if but when it will happen*.”*
§ Yet democrats would largely miss this point entirely and obsess over his false claim that he called for Bin Laden to be killed, when he had not. Somehow conspiracy theorists would find this ‘cool’ rather than suspicious.
CNN Fact Check Donald Trump Osama Bin Laden Book Claim

Reports and Simplified Narratives:
o FEMA's 2002 report and NIST's 2005 report provided technical explanations of the tower collapses.
o However, the Port Authority Chairman stuck to the oversimplified narrative that "jet fuel melted steel beams," even though he knew this was a half-truth, as detailed in the next section, fueling anti-government conspiracies. The question is why.

Potential Impact:
o 9/11 conspiracy theories sowed distrust in the government, which may have been one of the attackers' objectives. Anyone that heavily profited from this tragedy, and helped further those objects, should be questioned.
o The ‘Loose Change’ “documentary” pointed out suspicious parts of the story, but failed to give any clear claims as to who was purportedly behind it. It also failed to note the Twin Towers titanic design flaw that could result in a straight fall. Even the 2015 version of this film fails to mention nearly all of the known facts in this report.
o The Director of that film later states:
“I DON’T THINK WE’D HAVE PRESIDENT TRUMP IF IT WEREN’T FOR 9/11”
“9/11 created a culture of fear, of xenophobia, this sense of entitlement and everything we’ve seen. Warrantless wire-tapping, Guantanamo Bay, everything that’s happened led us to this point, we wouldn’t be here without 9/11. They want to kick out all the Mexicans and Muslims because of this culture of fear and bigotry and xenophobia that directly led to the election of fucking Donald Trump. [laughing] That’s our world now! We had Reagan before, and Governor Schwarzenegger. But President Donald Trump? It’s just weird. Everything is just weird.”
Theoutline Reflecting On Loose Change
o While the director was in the right to ask questions, he failed to ask the most obvious ones.
o However, his lead “researcher,” Jason Bermas, would turn out to be a full blown MAGA wingnut.
Patriot Jason Bermas
o Anyone that would benefit politically and financially from 9/11 should be fully investigated.
Further Reading:
Harvey Pitt - Wikipedia
Politifact How 911 Attacks Helped Shape Modern Misinformation
It will never be possible to defeat MAGA followers “logically” with people who believed his parties rhetoric “that 9/11 was an inside job.”

I say
 what if those Republican leaders were self reporting?
What if Trump followers have been rallying behind the very man responsible for its orchestration?

The Twin Towers and Larry Silverstein
Architectural Pitfalls of the Twin Towers:
· The Twin Towers had unique architectural flaws due to the excessive heavy load on their exoskeletons to allow for more floor and leasing space, which greatly contributed to their straight collapse after the 9/11 attacks. This was the first and last skyscraper made in this way.
· For anyone who said that “any other building would have fallen sideways,” you were right, though perhaps not entirely how you may have imagined. A "Coke Can" analogy shows how a similar weakened structure can result in a straight fall, contrary to conspiracy theories claiming controlled demolitions. This isn't something I'm asking you to take for granted, or to read from media sources you don’t trust. This is something you can verify on your own, in person, in real time, in reality.
· However Trump, despite being close friends with Silverstein as we’ll cover later, claimed "It wasn’t architectural defects, you know, the World Trade Center was always known as a very, very strong building” per the attached PolitiFact article.
· Supporting Article:
Engineering Experts Explain the Collapse of the Twin Towers
Politifact Donald Trumps 911 Speculation

Larry Silverstein, The Leasor Of The Twin Towers:
· Nearly went bankrupt after losing his main tenant Drexel Burnham in 1980 after he built tower 7 with him in mind.
· I don't know how many of us understand the level of desperation a situation like this can cause in someone and how many potential crimes it can easily push them towards.
· He is known for then saying, “
looking up at the twin towers and thinking, my building is huge, but it is made diminutive by the twin towers. So I said to myself, wouldn't it be incredible someday to own those?" That's not the statement of a sane person who nearly went bankrupt, and if anything, hints towards jealousy.
· He managed to secure Salomon Brothers two years later, which later paid $300 million in securities fraud penalties casting suspicion over the entities who saved Silverstein, in addition to their overall plans for the future.
· How he would become able to outbid everyone else in 2001, for the right to lease the twin towers, would become a mystery we will untangle later.
Further Reading
Manhattan Institute – Silverstein On Ground Zero
Justice Department: Salomon Brothers Securities Fraud

Trump and Real Estate Connections
Historical Context and Redevelopment Plans:
· A redevelopment plan commenced in the 1990s by Gov. Pataki and Mayor Giuliani, spurred a commercial revival in downtown Manhattan, making the World Trade Center prime property. Pataki would go on to criticize trump, while the other would prove to be one of this wildest, if not craziest, supporters to truly fanatical degrees.
Further Reading:
Manhattan Institute: Rebuilding Ground Zero
· Tom Leppert was the CEO of Turner construction which right wing conspiracy theorists claimed helped ensure the towers would fall straight down. He also became part of Trumps transition team. While there’s no evidence of explosives being used, tampering with the exoskeleton and weaking the relatively thin central column ahead of time are theoretically plausible.
Huffpost Donald Trump Transition Team
Wikipedia Tom Leppert

The bidding for the World Trade Center lease involved only a few major real estate firms as allowed by the Port Authority Chairman. Below are the allowed bidders and their estimated worth at the time included:

· Donald J. Trump’s Organization:
o Worth around $1.5 billion in 1996 after multiple bankruptcies. Confirmed only by Forbes magazine in 2005.
· Tishman Speyer:
o Valued at approximately $1.8 billion in 2000, would soon face ‘tenant issues’ with many scrupulous legal claims against them.
· Gale & Wentworth:
o Worth a few million.
· Mortimer Zuckerman’s Boston Properties:
o Mortimer Zuckerman alone was worth around $2 billion.
· The Rouse Company:
o Mainly a shopping mall operator.
· Brookfield Properties:
o A Canadian firm valued at over $20 billion in 2000.
· Vornado Realty Trust:
o Worth an estimated $2-3 billion. Had the highest bid, but was unexpectedly outed by the Port Authority Chairman, paving the way for Silverstein’s win. CEO of Vornado Trust, Steven Roth would later do many deals with Trump in 2005 and beyond.
· Larry Silverstein:
o As mentioned, was nearly bankrupt in the 1980s, and was mysteriously awarded the right to lease the World Trade Center contract at $3.2 billion, twice the original asking price of 1.2 Billion. It would still be owned by the Port authority of NY and NJ, he would just own the rights to lease it.
o Port Authority Chairman, Lewis Eisenberg, made this unexplained decision, who also later became Trumps lead fundraiser in 2015.
o After putting down only $125 million, as per the contract, Silverstein would be getting back $100 million just 6 weeks after his bid and with an uncommon terrorist insurance addition. His exaggerated bid and insurance contract would also greatly inflate the amount of money he could get from an insurance claim. If the winning bid was 1.5 billion, the insurance payout would also have been much less.
o In real estate, its quite rare for a prudent investor to bid twice the asking price, as demonstrated by the other companies that backed out, of which I find no connections to Trump.
o If anyone had known about 9/11 ahead of time, like Trump claims he did, it would become drastically easier to outbid all competitors, knowing that for pennies on the dollar, you would be getting much more back.

Further Reading:
NY Times Article on World Trade Center Deal
Wikipedia on Lewis Eisenberg
Patch On Lew Eisenberg Leading Trump Fundraising
NY Times Article Silverstein Gets Most Of His Money Back

Giuliani’s Gangster Acts
Arguably, if the above points are what they objectively appear to be, that would be a bad thing. You’d think that would be enough. However, Guliani would say “hold my beer’ to those sentiments.

1. Outdated Equipment for First Responders:
· Due to Giuliani’s inadequate leadership, first responders used old equipment that failed to warn them to evacuate the towers. Which contributed to their deaths while they searched for survivors.
NY Times Article: Giuliani’s Preparedness on 9/11
2. Obstructed Recovery Efforts:
· Giuliani delayed proper search and rescue operations for days, possibly costing lives of citizens and first responders who didn’t know they needed to leave.
· 20 Years later he would claim that some of Bidens actions were so reckless that
 “It would be as if I got down to ground zero and said take out the firefighters, all you civilians see if you can get yourselves out.” Self report?
NBC News Report: Giuliani’s Role in Recovery
NY1: Giuliani Reflects on 9/11 Anniversary
3. Twin Towers Fund and Privatization:
· Giuliani privatized the Twin Towers relief funds, making them unauditable.
NY Times Article on Privatization
NY Post Article: Giuliani and Twin Towers Fund
4. Survivors Threaten To SUE Guliani For Relief Funds
· Even after privatizing the twin towers fund, Giuliani would make it incredibly difficult for the victims to receive their fair share. Requiring many of them to spend unnecessary money on advisors and consultants.
· Even with their legal pressure, he only agreed to “give the remaining 100 million to victims,” out of 170 million, if he could first put the money into the bank account of a charity in which he controlled.
· From the attached article: “But Harold Schaitberger, president of the International Association of Fire Fighters, said that he remained adamantly opposed to any transfer of funds to Mr. Giuliani's charity.
He also objected to Mr. Giuliani's continued control over even the $15 million in his private charity. Mr. Giuliani, he charged, gives every indication of using the Twin Towers Fund to maintain a staff of loyal supporters and to advance his political aspirations.
'The concern that politics will infiltrate the fund becomes even more apparent when one reviews the list of the mayor's former political appointees who are assuming senior staff positions or serving on the fund's board of directors,'' he wrote in a letter on Monday to Eliot L. Spitzer, the state attorney general.”
NY Times Article On Guliani Pressed To Disperse Twin Tower Funds
· However, there is no evidence of Giuliani making good on this promise.
· There are honestly no words for this. All associates of Guliani should be investigated.
5. Attempted Election Cancellation in 2001:
· Giuliani tried to cancel the 2001 election to stay mayor longer. He even considered removing term limits with Governor Pataki’s support. Similar to how Trump has “joked” about increasing his own term limits.
Business Insider: Giuliani and Pataki’s Attempt to Cancel Elections
Esquire Trump Joke Third Term
6. Motive
· In 2000, Guliani unfortunately got prostate cancer. We have to be willing to ask if this was a motive for his corrupt acts.
SurvivorNet: Giuliani’s Cancer


Silverstein’s Unscrupulous Greed
1. Initial Settlement Demands and Profit Claims:
· Despite only having been out for $25 million, Silverstein initially sought nearly $8 BILLION in insurance settlements and argued for "loss of revenue from those buildings," which is quite an uncompassionate claim considering how many lost their lives. Talk about a prime example of the working and lower classes making sacrifices while rich elites complain they didn’t profit enough from the same tragedy.
2. Rebuilding Contributions and Insurance Payout:
· Despite the fact that he only owned the leasing rights to the twin towers, ‘Silverstein Properties’ received up to $4 billion from insurance payouts, instead of the Port Authority, which would be customary as the owner.
· While it's assumed that most of that money went to rebuilding, this isn't actually known or proven. It would be different if he had a separate insurance policy that was not connected to the rebuilding of the towers, with different monies going to the Port Authority to rebuild. This was not the case.
History.com: Rebuilding of Ground Zero
· He additionally refused to return the rights of Building 1 to the Port Authority until he secured additional funds from an $8 billion state fund. Talk about heartless.
Wikipedia: Larry Silverstein
· Various entities would contribute a total of $20 billion to rebuild all six damaged or destroyed towers, including four towers leased by Silverstein and two others he hadn't. This makes it unlikely that he had to go out of pocket with his 4 Billion.
3. Estimated Net Worth:
· While earlier records of Silverstein's net worth are unavailable, aside from his near bankruptcy in 1980, he is currently estimated to be worth around $1 billion.
Forbes Profile: Larry Silverstein

Silverstein’s Controversial Alignment with Trump
Larry Silverstein's connections and public persona have often been scrutinized. This scrutiny became particularly relevant in 2015 when he publicly displayed his support for Donald Trump:
Watch Silverstein Discuss Trump
CNN Trump On 2020 Election

The Man Who Boasted
When most people witness a tragedy, especially of this size, it takes time for their brains to comprehend what happened, it takes even more time to process it. Thus, anyone who was able to brag about their own assets hours after this tragedy on a radio show, is at least worthy of Investigation, especially if this very event helped reshape a misinformation landscape in which he would thrive as its King.
Politifact – How 911 Attacks Helped Shape Modern Misinformation

· Insensitive Boasts About Building Height:
o Trump also boasted that with the fall of the Twin Towers, his building became the tallest in Manhattan—an inaccurate and insensitive claim given the context.
Independent 9 11 Trump Tallest Building
· Early Claims and Revisions:
o Shortly after 9/11, Donald Trump claimed he saw the second plane hit the towers from his Manhattan apartment. He also made an unfounded claim that he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheering, a statement that has been widely debunked. Despite varying explanations and suggesting that he saw it on an untraceable video that was “widely covered,” these claims helped fueled significant conspiracy theories. If anything, this was a self-report.
o Snopes: Trump Claims Muslims Cheered
o FactCheck.org: Trump’s Revised 9/11 Claim
· Visit to Ground Zero:
o A week after the attacks, Trump visited Ground Zero and stated that although he was present, he wouldn’t consider himself a first responder. This attempt at humility struck many as morbidly insensitive, considering the true heroism displayed by actual first responders.
ABC News: Trump Shares New Details About Morning of 9/11

Legacy of Suspicion:
These actions paint Trump as one of the more suspicious figures post-9/11, who may have used the tragedy for personal and political gain. His connections with figures like Larry Silverstein and Lewis Eisenberg, the Port Authority chairman, hint at deep financial interests potentially influenced by the 9/11 aftermath. Meanwhile, survivors and first responders faced challenges in securing support, highlighting the disparities between their experiences and the political maneuvers at play. Again morbidly juxtaposing the struggles of the poor and working class versus elite swamp members such as Trump and his ilk.

While being, arguably, one of the more suspicious Americans of potentially “being an insider," Trump would go on to cast doubt everywhere else with his new holier than thou rhetoric and hints and claims that “it was an inside job” for the next 15 years.

What if he was speaking from personal experience.

The Deepfake Dilemma
Now in a world where Trump's followers already discount reality, the emergence of AI-generated deepfakes threatens to further distort the truth. This technology could transform legal standards of evidence, making it easy to dismiss genuine evidence against the right as fabricated, while baseless accusations against the left might be accepted as the long-awaited proof.

The Potential Escalation of MAGA Actions
Given the willingness of MAGA supporters to storm the Capitol on January 6th, bolstered by Trump's incendiary rhetoric, the potential for escalation is alarming. The advent of fabricated images and videos could present unprecedented national security threats.

Trump's Incendiary Rhetoric on January 6th
Trump's speech on January 6th was a clear incitement, as he urged his followers to "fight like hell" to "stop the steal," despite admitting DURING THE SPEECH that there was no evidence of the massive electoral fraud he claimed. As well as his lawyers laughable court “arguments.”
“...while there is no evidence to prove any wrongdoing
”
Npr.Org Read Trumps Jan 6 Speech
LawAndCrime Come On Now

This speech, coupled with his undermining of constitutional processes, underscores the risks and intentional deceit of his rhetoric. Too bad Republicans senators and our Supreme Court have either claimed he was above the law, or continue to postpone his court dates till after elections. A wild position when treason is on the table. Did that dude commit treason that claims he wants to become a dictator? I dunno, lets let him potentially get elected and then find out!

Elon Musk's Political Shift
Elon was once very much a leftist, unfortunately in more and more far left “activists” continue to attack him endlessly for not agreeing with them on their own singular issues and perspectives. To them I say congratulations, you successfully pushed the most powerful man on earth into the far right. Great job. Great job.
Elon Musk's journey from a liberal supporter to a figure embraced by the far right highlights the volatile nature of political affiliations in today's polarized environment. His actions since acquiring Twitter—such as promoting unfounded conspiracy theories and making high-profile firings—suggest a departure from his initial free speech advocacy.
Especially when considering he fired Don Lemon from his platform for an interview he found offensive. Canceling opinions you find offensive isn’t free speech, it’s literally the opposite. I’m sure many people were offended by the examples below. What about them?
Far Right Support Examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

The Need for a Critical Approach
Supporters of Trump should critically evaluate why he did not pardon the January 6th insurrectionists during his term, despite using them as political leverage now. This pattern of using allies until they are no longer useful is evident throughout his political and personal dealings.
What better example could there possibly be as to what trump truly thinks of his supporters, how sacrificial he sees them as part of his endless narratives, then his refusal and failure to pardon January 6th insurrectionists while still in office?
Of course, anyone “just on the grass” or outside the building should only get a day in jail at most, however people that barged inside the capital should naturally get much more.
And while trump refused to pardon those people before, he now calls them “hostages” and is using them as political bait to a truly wild degree. It's very likely he will make good on this promise to further embolden the narrative that “Democrats are trying to take you down and only I can save you.”
His supporters need to seriously ask, “Why didn’t he pardon us before?”
Also, remember when he claimed he would pay legal fees for supporters that were violent at his rallies, but then seemed to falter and change his mind. Much like how Amber Heard donated her money, “by pledging it.”
List of allies he was quick to discard or dump. And let's face it, all of these people have done more for him than the average MAGA supporter. The only person he cares about is himself.
Trump claims that Mike Pence, the man he vetted more than anyone else, “has gone to the dark side.”
Trump seems to have supported the chants to “Hang Mike Pense,” at least in jest? We hope? There are also no links of him condemning them. Yet admittedly this one point doesn’t have hard evidence like a recording or video as far as I know, it certainly fits his brand.
Mike Flynn, a Trump appointee, later testifies against him.
Trump admits Flynn lied on his behalf, accidentally testifying against him, but does pardon him. As long as you’re colluding with Russia you’re ok it seems?

The Future Under Trump's Influence
Trump's rhetoric about overriding constitutional norms to address what he calls "massive fraud" hints at authoritarian aspirations. His praise for dictators and divisive language further aligns with dangerous historical precedents.
Important Articles:
“How a second trump term could end us democracy.” -commondreams
“Ask the expert: What a 2nd Trump term could mean for democracy and advancing policy.” - Msu Today
“Judgement Day” for political opponents.

To predict the future lets base it on known facts:
Apparently, he will help attack our constitution like he may have with the Twin Towers.
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”
Stated he intended to be a Dictator on day one, but then promises it will be just for a day. Is that how that works? Or is it “Once you go Dictator you don’t go back?”
Praising dictators, referring to immigrants as vermin etc, akin to Hitlers rhetoric against “blood mixing.”
More fraudulent use of lawyers and courts that gets everyone else in trouble but him, with them arguing he's above the law. This further shows how much he will consistently use people for his own ends and then dump them when they're no longer of use.
Warning from republicans and notes on ass kissing. As well as being generally unfit for office.
If you want help from Trump you better kiss his ***
Trumps says he kept Omarosa just because she said nice things about him, while defaming her
DeSantis: "You can be the most worthless Republican in America, but if you kiss the ring, he’ll say you’re wonderful."
Thehill Trump Views People Who Kiss His A As Weak.
And if you dare to speak out against trump, you better kiss his ****
Politico Graham Breaks With Trump On Abortion
WashingtonPost Trump Graham Abortion
News Yahoo 30 More Republicans Denounce Donald Trump Unqualified President
Hot take, if he’s elected president America, and the world, is frankly fucked.

Predicting MAGA 2024 And Beyond
Naturally there are endless possibilities of what MAGA and dictators around the world decide to do this year and into the future. I believe that the one thing that insinuates when it's time for their next evil actions is dictated by their standings in the polls or when a fellow dictator needs a little more political pressure from war torn inflated oil prices etc.
Dictators Unite
While writing my thesis, I speculated that dictators globally were uniting, finding mutual benefits in their governance and deceitful tactics. This theory is increasingly recognized as these autocrats appear to be forming a coalition, undermining peaceful unity efforts through conspiracy theories to preserve their power.
Unherd How Autocrats Unite
The True Nature of MAGA
MAGA was never genuinely about speaking truth to power or restoring America's glory. It has been an elaborate scheme funded by immense wealth, perpetuating anti-American sentiments through fabricated grassroots movements by domestic and foreign actors. This movement has primarily enriched a select few power-hungry dictators and may have been responsible for some of our most horrific moments in history in the past and acts yet to come.
Trump and MAGA
While 'MAGA' predates Trump, he conveniently stepped into a role long in the making. Despite occasional deviations from the MAGA ideology, such as promoting vaccines to emphatic boos, Trump has largely embodied its principles. The real architects of MAGA, however, are likely disillusioned with his unpredictable attacks, which contradict their broader agenda of absolute power.
Nbc News Donald Trump Booed
Trump as a Martyr
Regardless of election outcomes, Trump is poised to claim interference. His rhetoric and the devout belief of his followers in his divine anointment could lead to his martyrdom, especially given his age and the vulnerabilities it brings. This martyrdom could solidify his legacy while serving the interests of MAGA strategists who find him increasingly burdensome even if he “wins.”
Factcheck Trumps Bogus Voter Fraud Claims
La Times Trump Democrats Effort Presidential Ballot
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2024.05.12 10:58 Plane-Palpitation126 A frank discussion about paying to win from a Crotchety Old Bastardℱ

I have never in my adult life seen such an explosion of people calling anything outside of a gun skin 'pay to win' content than I have since the Unheard Edition drama from BSG, and I'm frankly sick to bastard death of every other extraction shooter catching a cold just because Nikita sneezed, so let's talk about what pay to win actually is, and where ABI needs to draw the line in order to not derail its own hype train that, all going well, will see it at least eat into Tarkov's playerbase outside the wipe hype months.
I'm getting older, and I remember the first time I ever had adult money being around the release of the first iPhone and not long after it, the free-to-play revolution with the rise of League of Legends (unfortunately) and an explosion in the popularity of mobile gaming. Come 2012-ish, the evil geniuses at Clash of Clans and Candy Crush (and eventually the slimy pricks at EA) realised that if even just a small percentage of their player base could be manipulated into spending small amounts of money often enough, they could make way, way more than they could with traditional one-and-done license agreements.
It sucks, it's evil and it's been discussed to death. Even South Park did an episode about it. But it was so popular and so lucrative that it became a sort of de-facto standard for live service games to try and hook a few thousand whales and keep the freeloaders around to basically serve as content for the people spending thousands a year on a 'free' or heavily discounted game.
For someone casually playing something like Candy Crush (one of the first games I ever encountered that was truly pay to win) on their lunch break, it maybe doesn't matter so much if players paying for the game get to use more moves and skip a few levels ahead - right up until the point where the free players are competing to finish a level first to get paid currency to even allow them to finish a level at all. It then becomes pretty tempting to shell out a few bucks here and there to beat the level, if you have that kind of genetic makeup, because you are quite literally shelling out cash to skip levels and progress in the game. It's extremely direct. Sick of not being able to beat a level ('win')? Spent $10 and we got you, you can go back to crushing your candies or whatever the fuck.
Of course, you can fetter away as much time as you want playing Candy Crush on your own without spending a cent, but a game that is more concretely social and has a strong PVP element is a different story, right? You can't just give people who spend heaps of money on a free to play game Ubermensch superpowers, right? That defeats the purpose of keeping the freeloaders around at all, because they won't stick around if it's as trivial as someone else parting with a few bucks to make a fight impossible for them to win.
Wrong. Diablo Immortal made $500mil against an $11mil budget in its first year, and has some of the most egregious pay to win mechanics any of us have ever seen (outside of those insane China-only MMORPGs).
In Diablo Immortal (when it came out), you could pay actual money to:
This is a direct exchange of money for increasing your odds of winning individual fights and beating other players. This is paying to win the game. It's the same as Candy Crush letting you spend money to not have to compete with the other players over the gold bars you need to finish some levels, except it's even worse because free-to-play players have a hard cap on how good the RNG legendary gems they do find can ever be.
People have been talking about EoD in Tarkov being pay to win for over half a decade now and the argument has become pretty irrelevant because despite the huge furore in the months after it was announced, it wound up meaning very little. You get some extra stuff when a wipe starts, but none of it is anything worth writing home about because you'll have access to it all anyway once you hit 15 and unlock the flea.
One thing people get a bee in their bonnet about is the secure container. The Gamma case in Tarkov is one of the main things you can buy to make the first couple of wipes you play a little more bearable. Those 5 extra worry-free slots mean you wind up spending less money replacing meds and ammo in the early game and, if you are like me and suck and die a lot early-wipe, you can hang onto juicy bits of loot to help you get a head start. The fact of the matter is, though, for your first wipe or two, you are still going to be fucking awful at the game and have a pretty miserable time for the most part because that's just the nature of the beast.
You also get a bigger stash, which helps you spend less time selling stuff and organising your loot and saves you a lot of Roubles upgrading it the unpaid way.
Is that actually paying to win, though? Especially considering the Kappa container is available to everyone for the same amount of effort, and that you can upgrade your stash (with a huge amount of effort - I did it my first two wipes, never again) to EoD level without spending any money?
No. It's not even in the fucking ballpark compared to Diablo Immortal or what EA tried to pull with the lootboxes in Battlefront 2 or any of the other unconscionable shit these companies have pulled in the P2W industry in the last decade. Your minute-to-minute raiding experience is not impacted by having a standard account over an EoD account. My gamma has never once won me a firefight, eaten a bullet for me, saved me a hot dime on a flea market purchase, increased my health pool, increased my damage, given me bonus XP, or given me extra stamina, and in fact the better I got at the game the less I found I needed it at all. Its sole function is to hold keys and injectors, and to save you some time having to grind out roubles to buy ammo and meds by sparing you from losing them if you do die. That's it. The key point is, if you manage to extract, your gamma was basically worthless.
Enter ABI's monetization. The hysterics over this game MAYBE having subscription secure containers needs to stop. It is a perfectly fine way to monetize a free-to-play extraction shooter. It's $5 a month in the mobile version, which would require you to use it consistently for over 2 years to equal a single EoD purchase. Considering I usually dip out 3-4 months into a wipe, I probably would have come out even.
Where Tarkov did go wrong with EoD, and what I see no one ever talking about, is the trader rep bonus. Holy shit. This did and does to this day completely easy-mode the first 20 levels of a wipe for my EoD account. This is incontrovertibly paying to win. Starting a wipe 10 quests for each trader ahead of standard edition accounts in trader rep is criminal. Since I bought EoD I have never been gatekept by rep to level up a trader, not once. That means I have earlier and cheaper access to better ammo and armour and weapon parts and there's just straight up nothing a standard account can do to catch up to me.
TL:DR; What I'm getting at is, it is not P2W and is in fact pure pay-for-convenience/expression to monetize:
It is maybe P2W to monetize:
It is definitely P2W to monetize:
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2024.05.12 10:43 Gold_Lynx_8333 A 1990s kind of store right here in 2024, spotted in Hornsby today

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2024.05.12 00:16 marecco [WTS] AXL Equinox w/ Velcro Tubes Adapters and Retofit Kit Multicam, Arisaka E2XTL 18650 Light, Multicam GP Pouch, Multicam Haley Radio Pouch

Timestamp: https://imgur.com/a/6unn1Zz
Offers always welcome via pm. Combos available for discounts.
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2024.05.11 19:47 zuleyha84 $91.99 >> #ANTUNER AT100M Pro Radio Banggood Coupon (Discount Code)

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2024.05.11 11:29 waltjrimmer Vaults 586 Alpha and 586 Beta

Vault commissioned by: Big Mountain Research and Development Center
Location: Badlands of the Dakotas
Admittance: A random sample of locals, especially employees of the local research station, or anyone willing to move close to the vaults should be evenly distributed between the two for little to no cost so as to encourage a larger sample Access to the Alpha vault will be sold at a premium with the Beta vault being offered as a "discount" option. [JNC, junior executive at Vault-Tec wrote this change, MCL, senior executive approved]
Purpose: Study survivor behavior when forced to face the mortality of their peers.
Experiment: In the event of a nuclear attack on US soil, the vaults will be opened and allow admittance. Once sealed, Alpha and Beta will find that they have viewports, intercoms, and other ways to communicate between them. Everything will continue as normal for about two years when a manufactured "radiation leak" will contaminate Beta. Automatic systems will report a problem with the air recycling system and claim to be drawing in contaminated outside air, but the truth is that radioactive waste will be accumulated to ensure significant contamination may be achieved regardless of outside environments.
Predictions: The residents of Beta will suffer quickly from the effects of radiation exposure. Depending on where they are in the facility, their deaths may be quick but likely some residents will find the "safer" areas of the vault where their exposure will be slower. Instructions given to both Overseers will emphasize that any incident to befall one vault should be closely studied by the residents of the other under risk of imprisonment or even execution if one refuses to observe. The members of Alpha will be forced to watch their friends and neighbors die of radiation poisoning over the following weeks and months. The outcomes may be unpredictable, but observations on who is able to handle this experience and if order is able to be kept within Vault Alpha will be invaluable to Big MT and their partners. There has already been discussion of selling any analytics from the outcome to militaries in order how to prepare their soldiers or maintain order in the event of catastrophic casualties.
 
Vault 586 Beta Overseer's Terminal:
  2077-23-10:
    The worst has happened. War has come to America. We were lucky to be able to get into this vault, at least. Most of the workers got special deals, their wages were garnished and a spot for them was secured in Beta. A lot of the executives bought a spot in Alpha. We can see through the windows that they have better furniture, decorations, even food. I'm worried about my residents and how they'll maintain being forced to watch other people live better, easier lives every day. But the truth is, that's much how they lived most of their life. And many are simply thankful that they were able to survive at all.
 
  2077-17-12
    Things have been mostly smooth so far. Despite there being quite literal barriers between us, people have started getting along better than I could have expected. I think we have Overseer Elwood to thank for much of that. We've communicated frequently, and he seems like an easy man to follow. Compassionate and decisive. I think he's helping his residents connect to mine in ways they never would have on the surface. We may get through this yet.
 
  2078-04-07
    Big party today. Everyone showed up. Even Robert Parker who had been shunning any interaction with us Betas for months now. People were even talking about seeing if there was any way we could break a window to exchange gifts across the barrier or if we could maybe rig up some kind of exchange mechanism. They were talked out of it, just in case anything happens. We barely survived one disaster. We shouldn't be tempting fate any further. But I think it goes to show the sense of community we've built up between us. There's been some animosity, but it's mostly been headed off by Overseer Elwood and me. But we have a long road ahead of us and whoever comes after. It's no time to lose vigilance now.
 
  2078-23-10
    One year we've been in here now and it's starting to get to people. I've got it easier. I have a lot of people who grew up without anything in my ranks. They're used to scraping by. The Alphas, on the other hand, a bunch of spoiled brats. I'm sorry. I shouldn't say things like that about them. They're good people. Or. They CAN be good people. When they choose to be. Overseer Elwood said he had to put Pamela Perkins in containment last week after she threw such a fit that someone ended up bleeding. Said he scratched the skin right off her neighbor's face. All over some snack cakes and an old radio show. We're doing our best to keep order, but the cracks are starting to show.
 
  2079-05-04
    The first real disaster hit today. Alphas' water purifier broke down for about nine days. As per Vault-Tec instructions, the Betas watched how the Alphas addressed the problem. The Betas are floor workers, mechanics, janitors, even a few researchers. They're used to this kind of work and tried to give advice through the barriers. But the Alphas weren't having it. Said we were there to spectate, not commentate. If they hadn't been so stubborn, they'd have had clean water within two days. Instead, it took them nine. They act all high and mighty, but they need us. If only that oaf of a leader they had could admit that. I once thought Elwood was a good guy, but now I think he can take a short ride on a long rocket.
 
  2080-06-08
    Now's when we can show them who knows what they're doing. We had a catastrophic failure of our air recyclers and purifiers all at once. The western wing got blasted with radiation so bad we had to lock it down. The Hendersons are in there. Probably were by now. We can't get to them, but the Alphas can still see them. But those bastards won't even tell me if my people are still alive. But unlike them, we know our way around these machines. Hell, some of us helped BUILD these machines. We'll be back to clean air in no time. Whereas if one of their Nuka-Cola machines is one degree off, it takes them a month and a vault-wide panic before they can get the damn thing fixed.
 
  2080-09-08
    The problem appears to be worse than we thought. Actually, it appears to be a fucking ghost. I've got some of the best mechanics and engineers in the country, hell, maybe some of the last in the world, here in my vault. And they can't figure a damn thing wrong with any of the equipment. It should all be running fine. They even did an analysis on the air coming directly out of the purifier and they say it's rad-free. But just ten feet away and it's at extremely dangerous levels. It's like someone hung a plutonium rod from the ceiling like a goddamn decoration and we're all too blind to see it. I've lost a lot of good people trying to figure it out and it's only gotten worse. We're down to the last few men available. Which means that tomorrow, I've got to throw myself into the shit. I stayed out of it this long thinking that my leadership would be worth more than whatever I could do with a wrench, but that's just not true anymore. Maybe it never was. Maybe Elwood was right.
 
  2090-02-03
    I finally got back. Looking at my last entry, it was nearly ten years ago I went to try and fix that leak. Turns out there was no fucking leak. We're working on the air systems and there's an explosion. We get blasted with a pile of nuclear waste buried under our purifier. Now, who do you think put that there? I should have died there. The rest of the crew did. Most of the vault has by now. One of the Hendersons is still alive somehow. Like me. Skin falling off, hair falling out, voice like I smoked coming out the womb. I've met a few others, too. You should see how the Alphas react to us now. They've always looked at us Betas with disgust. Now they look at us in terror. I'm going to be working to get Wendy out of the west wing first, then we'll make plans from there.
 
  2093-25-11
    There are eight of us left in total. The whole vault, despite all the damage and all the lockdowns, we finally cleared it all out. We started with over four hundred and we're down to eight. Truth be told, I think we're lucky to have that many. And there had been one more. John Kriger. I used to play cards with that man. Back when he was a man. When we were fixing some doors in the south wing, we found him. There was nothing left behind those eyes. He growled and shrieked like an animal and nearly killed Frank. We put him out of whatever misery he was in. I think we've all been wondering if we're any better off. I know I have.
 
  2094-02-01
    Not much to do anymore. We have enough food. Radiation doesn't seem to hurt us anymore, so the air isn't an issue. Our water spikes a Geiger counter, but Frank tells me it just adds to the flavor. Tastes like spicy static to me, what little sense of taste I have left. So I spent most of my days with Wendy watching the Alphas. They try to ignore us. Pretend we're not there. But they're not doing much better. They broke their intercoms, put posters over a bunch of the windows. But there's always a way to keep an eye on them. One thing I've been wondering has been where Elwood's been hiding. I haven't seen him lately.
 
  2094-03-09
    All hell's broken loose over at the Alpha's vault. Turned out that Elwood had died in the decade I spent clawing my way back up from the basement. Good riddance to him I say. But the ones since then have been worse. Playing favorites, letting maintenance slide. I'm still getting the automated reports from Alpha's terminal and things have been steadily going to shit. Looks like they finally snapped. Glass was too thick to hear anything, but I noticed when one of the rooms got brighter. I went to check it out, and the poster had been torn down, replaced by a large smear of blood. They were having their own little revolution. And there was nothing the eight of us could do but look on in horror as they slaughtered each other. Turns out that while we thought we got the shit end of the stick, we're still living in peace and harmony. They, on the other hand, couldn't make it twenty years without butchering each other. It's hard to make out what's going on with most of the windows still covered. But I would hazard to guess that their numbers are more similar to ours at this point.
 
  2098-10-08
    Today's my rebirth day. Wendy asked me what I wanted to do to celebrate, and I said I wanted to never see this godforsaken place again. It's too sad to pass by the windows and see what the Alphas squandered. The windows are still mostly covered, but we haven't seen anything out of them in a few years now. I figure they're probably all dead. Or maybe they wised up and left. Didn't even leave a note. So that's what I want to do. Get out of here and don't look back. Hell, it's not like we need to worry about the radiation. I can't imagine it could be worse out there than it is down here. Six of us are going and we'll be leaving the door open. Suzy wants to stay with Clark. Clark has started to... I don't know what to call. He's got the sort of undead dementia John had. It's not as bad yet. He's not charging us on sight. But he doesn't look like he has much time left. Suzy says she wants to stay with him to the end. Either end his misery for him or join him in it, I can't be certain. But the rest of us are leaving. About time. Twenty-one years I've been cooped up in this shithole. I'll breathe real air and see the actual sun again. I can't wait.
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2024.05.11 03:29 whyhiseyeswidened [WTS] Hoplite LV 4, TLR-1 HL, HPD x WRMFZY, SF3P, GrovTec, SOG, BCM, Vortex, Mossberg, Aero, Savior, LMT, USGI, etc.

Timestamp: https://imgur.com/a/V1a3h2C
In dire need of some funds to hold me over until I start my new job. It pains me to let go of some of these but c’est la vie!
Open to reasonable offers and bundle discounts!
GEAR 1 GEAR 2
-Hoptlite (LTC rebrand) 26135 10 x 12 Multi Curve Level IV - Single plate Brand new plate coming in at 6.7lbs. Never mounted or dropped and just stored as a spare. I have another one in a carrier and it’s very comfortable. LTC is top notch! - $215
-FDE Streamlight TLR-1 HL 1000 Lumens With “ear.” Brand new in package. Comes with everything (new batteries and all keys). I don’t even think I opened this yet! -$120 STILL AVAILABLE SOLD
-House Party Distro x WRMFZY x War Club Clicker Bundle That Last of Us drip 💩 Tee is sz L, BNIB and includes four stickers. Willing to split, but would rather keep as a bundle! - $90 $85
-Surefire SF3P 1/2-28 Catch and release. Some salt on wrench flats and base from previous owner - looks like it was pinned and welded and then reversed. A little ugly but not noticeable once installed. Threads are in perfect condition and it installed right on without issue. No rounds from me, unknown round count from previous owner but the prongs themselves are pretty minty. -$80 SOLD
-GrovTec QS 2-Point Sentinel Sling - Multicam Brand new with tag, though it has been slightly cannibalized for a project. It came with QD swing swivels stitched in place, but those were removed. All the webbing is included and just has to get new QD’s stitched in. Offering at a nice discount. -$45
-Loogu Fast PJ Military Helmet - Coyote Strictly Chinesium here. Like new, bough for an event to mount a GoPro but it was too hot to wear so barely worn (and not sweated in). Makes a decent enough bump. -$45
-SOG Flash II Assisted Opening Knife - Black Was a daily carry for a while. Some salt and could probably use a sharpening but still in great shape. One of SOG’s best knives, light and carries well, very responsive assist. Also has a locking mechanism. -$40
-Viktos Wartorn Gloves M Brand new, never worn. These gloves feel great. Nice combination of materials with knuckle protection. I took the Velcro patches off but they are included. -$35
-Vortex Optics Rangers Quarter-Zip BNIB, sz M long sleeve pullover top. Has reflective logos and a rangers design on the arm. - $40 $35 -$30
-Worksharp Guided Pack Sharpener Brand new! Nice and handy little system to sharpen on the go/camping/etc. -$30
-Citizen Gear Co Cast Iron Sling in Sand Storm Brand new. Nice sling, padded with plastic hardware. Comes with unknown swing swivels. -$30
-5.11 LV6 (Low Vis) Sling Pack - OD Green I ran this sling pack for a while and it was awesome. Lots of good storage and a hidden Velcro compartment near the rear. Enough space to store a Glock 19 and extras. Some slight salt but this thing held up and looks still almost new. -$25
-Champion Passive Ear Pro w/ Bonus Loaner Pair Used as extra pairs, some salt on the Champions but in good shape. Extra set has some separation in the earmuff but still works. -$25
-Mossberg Synthetic Stock - 12 gauge Light salt. Thought I was gonna use this but ended up going a different route. Includes all hardware. -$30 $25 $20 SOLD
-Mystery Ranch Forager 2.5L Hip Pack - Coyote Great little pack from MR. Decent storage and comfortable. Work less than 5 times. -$20 SOLD
-J. & A.H. English Enfield Sling x2 Picked this up a while back thinking it would work for something but alas, it did not. Like new. Comes with another with jacked up mounting clips. $20 $15
-Milspec Endplate and Castle Nut Minimal salt, really good condition. $20 $15 SOLD
-Vanguard QS-60 V2 Quick Shoe Release Plate - Arca Compatible Brand new, never used. $20 $15
-Perroz Designs Side Wing Multicam Single pouch, very light use and in great shape. Great addition to carry a radio, extra mags, or skittles. -$15 SOLD
-Weaver Multi-Slot Base System 417T - for Mossberg 500 Mounted with a red dot and saw about 20 rounds, then removed. Slight salt. -$15
-Carbine gas tube Don’t remember where this came from. Shows some use. -$15 SOLD
-Glock and Desert Eagle Keychains The Glocks are plastic and really nicely made and accurately detailed. The Deagle is made of metal and heavier and not as detailed. -$15
-Rock Exotica RockD Screw-Lock Carabiner Like new. Clipped to a bag and never used. -$15
-Savior Equipment 9” x 5” Admin Pouch w/ Molle Unused by me. Looks brand new. Nice pouch with lots of storage, allows desk setup. -$15
-BCM Keymod QD Sling Mount Catch and release. Good condition, includes hardware. -$15
-Unknown Brand 2 Point Bungee Sling Catch and release. Comes with clash hook hardware and “sleeves” for the bungee sections. In good condition. ~$15
-12” x 7.5” Organizational Elastic Loop Velcro Panel Catch and release. Looks well made, don’t know the brand or manufacturer. -$15 $12 $10
-Jeep Admin Pouch Admin pouch might be a stretch but it’s OD green and works for storing stuff.-$15 $10
-Milspec Sling Adapter Endplates Catch and release. Unknown use. Some salt but they look decent. -$10 each / $15 for both.
-GrovTec Mil-Force Swivel Single swivel. Brand new in package (only needed one). -$10
-Port Authority C865 Flexfit Cap - Multicam Brand new, never worn. Poly-weave spandex assures you get the perfect fit with stretch fit closure. -$10 SOLD
-FDE B5 SOPMOD Buttpad Takeoff from another stock. Minor scuffing but in great shape. Has the cutout for the Multitasker M:4 tool. -$10
-A2 Flash Hider Catch and release. Salty but still in good shape. Comes with crush washers. -$10 SOLD
-LMT Crush Washer 3 Pack Brand new from LMT. -$10 SOLD
-BCM AIR Rail Panels Catch and release. These are soft panels, non-rigid. They seem to be unused. -$10
-USGI Army First Aid or Compass Pouch - ALICE Compatible - OD Green Catch and release. Vintage pouch. In good shape. -$10
-Don’t Tread On Me Patch You know the score. -$8 Lucky $7
-Magpul MOE Trigger Guard Catch & Release, package has been cut open but looks unused. Complete w/ roll pin + screw. - Yours for $8.
ADD ONS (Combine with anything above or buy two or more on their own)
-US Army + Lieutenant UCP Uniform Patches Catch and Release. -$5
-Random Crosshair Patch New. Catch and release. -$5
-Magpul XT Rail Panel - FDE Unused by me, may have been previously installed. -$5
-ITW 1” Clash Hook Brand new. -$5
-Milspec 5.56 magazine release latch ONLY Brand new. -$5 SOLD
-BCM Keymod 3 Inch Picatinny Rail Section, Nylon Brand new, but missing hardware. -$5
-Unknown Camo Pouch Catch and release. Has a camo pattern on it with a twist snap closure. Salty. -$5
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