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2024.05.14 02:41 Pyroski The Midterms of 1848 and 1849 Pine & Liberty
In the final months of Daniel Webster's term, the economy, still reeling from the War of 1839 and the subsequent Panic of 1843, began a slow but steady recovery. William Lloyd Garrison, the incoming President who shattered the Federalists' grip on power, stepped into office with a bold agenda aimed at bolstering the economic upturn and lifting the nation's spirits. His initial flurry of legislative efforts included a proposed second bill of rights to prevent a repeat of the Sedition Acts, as well as measures to curb speech, the introduction of an equal rights and poll tax amendment, the reduction of the National Bank's influence, which Garrison branded as "corrupt" and "flawed," in favor of greater state control, and the full nationalization of the road industry. Congress has rejected every one of these, however, Garrison has managed to push through some reforms, such as removing Nathan Appleton as the bank's president in 1848, granting states more authority over monetary policies, the nonrenewal of the sedition acts, the District of Maine region's autonomy, imposing national limits on alcohol sales, and ban of the purchase of quantities over 16, and the ending of U.S. cooperation in the deportation of fugitives. However, widespread American fatigue over aggressive slavery policies, coupled with an indifferent Martin Van Buren administration, terms of the Treaty of Brussels, and interest in the settlement of new territories in the northwest, resulted in minimal diplomatic opposition to Garrison's fugitive policy. submitted by Pyroski to u/Pyroski [link] [comments] Despite minor economic hiccups, trade has largely returned to its pre-war status as industries have stabilized. This was partly due to then-President Nathan Appleton raising interest rates in response to Garrison's funding cuts and minor currency instability resulting from the sudden influx of state control. Furthermore, despite Garrison's efforts to establish further independence from the increasingly close British empire by expanding trade with Haiti, Mexico, France, and the Netherlands, foreign investments, particularly by the British, in railroads and other industries continue, much to Garrison's chagrin. Meanwhile, on the domestic front, with William Lloyd Garrison shepherding the more affluent Liberty party to adopt a more radical rhetoric against the establishment and secret societies as a whole, the Anti-Masonic party would see a sudden bleed of support, as several of its representatives switched their party affiliations in their 1846 and 1847 campaigns. This bleed would continue, as the party became Garrison's largest outsider ally on key legislative reforms, with Garrison championing the collapsing party's platform on issues such as poll tax and voting reforms, and fines for secret societies. By 1848, party officials would agree on a formal merge, as the remainder of party members switched over. As Temperance sentiment spreads far and wide across the nation, Natavist feelings soar to unprecedented heights; as Catholics and the Irish find themselves in the crosshairs of nativism, owing to stereotypes associating them with regular drinking and heavy alcohol consumption. https://preview.redd.it/842ju2rxl90d1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=85820820ec95de1b3299657f3fe8a2d267920b63 Federalist Led by their esteemed leader, George Evans, federalists have undergone a significant transformation following a series of setbacks, including major electoral defeats to the oligarchy during the "Revolution of 1846" in both the Presidential and House races, and narrowly retaining control of the Senate. They distanced themselves from the still-sensitive Daniel Webster administration, and addressing concerns over his well-known alcoholism and allegations of sympathy to liquor, they adopted a more pronounced pro-temperance stance; with states such as Connecticut and New Hampshire, where they held sway over governorships and state legislatures, implementing stricter regulations. Moreover, although initially backing the Sedition Acts and playing key roles in its creation alongside Federalist President Noah Webster in 1827, most of the party shifted its stance by 1847, opposing its renewal. While Federalists have supported specific measures during the Garrison presidency, particularly those related to Temperance and opposition to the Sedition Acts, the party has emerged as Garrison's main opponent, leveraging their status as the second-largest party in the House and their majority in the Senate, to block much of his agenda. Notably, Massachusetts representative Nathaniel Briggs Borden, supported by the party establishment, spearheaded Federalist efforts to censure Garrison for his attempts to rein in the National Bank. Nonetheless, with the defense of the Law and Order party, Garrison managed to evade censure with a vote margin of 19-35. Nevertheless, leveraging their control in the Senate, Federalists effectively obstructed Garrison's legislative agenda, halting proposed cuts to national defense meant to prioritize funding for education and infrastructure, as outlined in Garrison's Bill of rights. Additionally, they stymied social reforms proposed by Garrison, including provisions in The Penitentiary Act of 1848 aimed at alleviating penalties for tax evasion, victims of the Sedition Acts, and Dorr sympathizers. Furthermore, they thwarted the full implementation of Garrison's Land Reform policy, which aimed to repurchase all lands acquired by foreign investors. Despite defeats amid the "Revolution of 1846" and a party identity crisis, the glimmer of victory at the end of the tunnel, driven by opposition to Garrison and his efforts to dismantle the National Bank, has spurred party unity. Centering their campaign primarily on one issue: The National Bank, Federalists argue that Garrison's attempts to curtail it are unconstitutional, citing the 13th amendment which established a strong permanent bank, and criticizing his use of the spoils system, particularly Arthur Tappan's appointment as bank president in the wake of Appleton's removal. Opponents criticize Tappan as too inexperienced, highlighting his close friendship with Garrison and lack of a banking background, exacerbated by Appleton's own nearly decade-long experience as its president, to allege cronyism. On economics, Federalists campaign on reinstating Appleton; passing legislation to ensure the bank's stability; and the further federalizing of the bank to its pre-Garrison status. Cooperation with private industries in the construction of infrastructure, to limit government spending so that the nation may pay off the heavy debts sustained from a lengthy war on top of an economic depression. They also contest Garrison's efforts to distance New England's ties with British trade and investors, advocating instead for a stronger connection with other European Powers; They champion a return to a close-knit relationship, both diplomatically and economically, with Federalists emphasizing Britain, which contributed heavily to their independence and later the diplomatic resolution of the War of 1839, as their foremost ally. This political cartoon, prominent during the Revolutionary War to depict Yankees as British loyalists, has regained popularity as a means to mock the Federalists' affection towards Britain and pro-British policies. Liberty Unseating the long-standing single-party rule of the Federalists during the Revolution of 1846, the Liberty Party stepped into the fray amidst a transformative era following a return to stability. Conceived by now-President William Lloyd Garrison under the influences of transcendentalism and liberty, advocating opposition to the government and support for limited intervention, it proved easier said than done to translate ideals into reality. Garrison eventually faced the stark reality upon assuming office, facing a slim majority in the House and a minority in the Senate, which forced him to navigate within the system, leaving much of his agenda in vain. Furthermore, Garrison's failure to pass equal rights and his proposed bill of rights has led inner-party critics, led by George Ripley, a Unitarian minister, and Henry David Thoreau, an author and former campaigner of Garrison, who has returned to civilization from his isolation in the forests of Massachusetts, to label Garrison as "corrupted" by political institutions. Other intra-party critics criticize his national restrictions on alcohol, attempts to block foreign business and investment, and fines for secret societies as further increasing the authority and scope of the government when the party's whole platform stood against it. Nonetheless, allies argue that his restrictions and expansion of executive power are necessary evils to tackle the root causes of societal issues and special interests and to promote the nation's independence while also supporting local businesses and industries. Despite the emergence of splintering anti-Garrison factions, the Liberty Party has sought to navigate controversy by upholding the core tenets of Garrison's presidency. These include his cessation of collaboration with the U.S. on the deportation of fugitives from the Hudson-Greenway line; dismantling what Liberators perceive as a corrupt National Bank, and his instrumental role in achieving Statehood for the District of Maine after a struggle spanning over a decade, resulting in the creation of two new states: Maine and Bangor. In addition to championing Garrison's established agendas, the party endeavors to garner support for unfinished initiatives. These include proposals to expand the House's seats from 65 to 86, with each state gaining two more representatives than its electoral vote in the Electoral College, thus aiming to bolster representation. Furthermore, they advocate for Garrison's Second Bill of Rights, seeking to amend the constitution to ensure rights for all citizens and to federalize the poll tax to a reduced fee of $1.80. Additionally, they push for legislation aimed at diminishing the influence of Jewish bankers and investments, echoing Garrison's public condemnation of them as "the enemy of the people and Christ" and their purported "stranglehold over our nation's wealth." The origin of the party name and of its followers, William Lloyd Garrison's \"The Liberator\" has remaiend infleuntial even despite Garrison's dpearture, with followers hanging the cover of the paper to show their support for the party. Law and Order Despite suffering heavy defeats amidst the Revolution of 1846 and Thomas Dorr's rebellion, the cornerstone of the party's creation, now relegated to the back burner of voters' minds, the Law and Order alliance of Farmers, Liberals, Traditionalists, and former Federalists and Nationalists finds itself in an awkward position. Larger parties such as the Federalists have adopted the centerpiece coalition's platform, such as the Federalists now championing calls for cooperation with the U.S. and moderate views on black and women's rights, while the Liberty Party advocates for limited government and a smaller national bank; Nonetheless, the Law and Order coalition has attempted to carve out a platform wedged between the two current party giants. Led by the party's House leader Robert C. Winthrop, the party has strongly emphasized its economic agenda, in a bid to set it apart from the two leading parties. They advocate for a limited National Bank, arguing for its scope to be restricted to essential sectors such as agriculture, infrastructure, and trade. Additionally, they propose limits on the money supply to maintain a stable bimetal gold and silver standard, advocate for increased transparency regarding bank loans, and impose requirements for loan eligibility. Moreover, emphasizing a limited federal government approach in favor of state control, they argue for allowing states to charter their own banks to a certain extent. They have also advocated for giving full control to the states to set their whiskey and alcohol policies, supporting government rollbacks on Garrison's national restrictions. Critics from the Law and Order faction lambaste Garrison for what they perceive as insufficient efforts to rein in the National Bank. Instead, they accuse him of employing the spoils system by appointing his friend, Arthur Tappan, whom many consider inexperienced, to oversee it, despite most of the party voting to replace Appleton with him. The party has argued for lower tariffs, contending that high tariffs disproportionately affect the nation's farmers while benefiting wealthy foreign and domestic investors and businesses; Additionally, they argue that lower tariffs would benefit consumer interests. Championed by Winthrop and fellow prominent Law and Orderites, including Senator Franklin Pierce, former Governor Edward Everett, Representative Charles G. Atherton, Rhode Island speaker John Hopkins Clarke, and a now one-legged John Fairfield, the party has attempted to adopt a "Proclamation of Neutrality" regarding foreign policy, believing their strength could be achieved through trade and cordial relations with any country, regardless of past relations or tensions with the nation's ally states. Most notably, their support for this policy extends to the nation's most infamous and longstanding enemy, the United States, with whom the nation has fought two wars. Any attempts to reconcile have been further complicated after the election of vocal anti-Fugitive ally, William Lloyd Garrison, who halted Yankee cooperation in the retrieval and return of fugitives. Nevertheless, this faction, derisively labeled the "Doughfaces" by critics due to their perceived willingness to bend to U.S. interests argues that cooperation was necessary. They point to the provisions of the Treaty of Brussels and the agreed-upon reward for captured fugitives, whom they claim weren't even citizens of New England, that the U.S. agreed to pay; Which they contend as a necessary evil to tackle and settle the burdensome debts the nation has accumulated in recent years. In stark contrast, the "Firebrands," nicknamed as such due to the fearmongering that their support for Garrison's policy will spark a third crisis between the two bordering nations, are led by Representative John P. Hale of New Hampshire and Associate Justice Marcus Morton, the 1841 National Party nominee. Famously during a party meeting, Hale would passionately argue, "After witnessing the sacrifice of countless lives, the toll of significant casualties, the devastation wrought upon our infrastructure, and the profound scars etched upon our nation, it would be nothing short of tragic to discover ourselves entangled once more in the very predicament we endeavored to escape..." This sentiment has been echoed similarly by the rest of the Firebrands as they emerge as the top faction opposed to inner-party calls for cooperation with the United States. \"DIPLOMATIC SCALES, a true balance\" a pro-Doughface political cartoon, contends through a smudge of humor, that the only way that the two nations, New England and the United States could remain in harmony is through compromise. Meanwhile, highlighting their role in the Treaty of Brussells and War of 1839, a man in the bottom-right conner, the personifcation of Britian interjects with his own oponions. |
2024.05.14 02:26 Pyroski The Midterms of 1848 and 1849 Pine & Liberty
In the final months of Daniel Webster's term, the economy, still reeling from the War of 1839 and the subsequent Panic of 1843, began a slow but steady recovery. William Lloyd Garrison, the incoming President who shattered the Federalists' grip on power, stepped into office with a bold agenda aimed at bolstering the economic upturn and lifting the nation's spirits. His initial flurry of legislative efforts included a proposed second bill of rights to prevent a repeat of the Sedition Acts, as well as measures to curb speech, the introduction of an equal rights and poll tax amendment, the reduction of the National Bank's influence, which Garrison branded as "corrupt" and "flawed," in favor of greater state control, and the full nationalization of the road industry. Congress has rejected every one of these, however, Garrison has managed to push through some reforms, such as removing Nathan Appleton as the bank's president in 1848, granting states more authority over monetary policies, the nonrenewal of the sedition acts, the District of Maine region's autonomy, imposing national limits on alcohol sales, and ban of the purchase of quantities over 16, and the ending of U.S. cooperation in the deportation of fugitives. However, widespread American fatigue over aggressive slavery policies, coupled with an indifferent Martin Van Buren administration, terms of the Treaty of Brussels, and interest in the settlement of new territories in the northwest, resulted in minimal diplomatic opposition to Garrison's fugitive policy. submitted by Pyroski to Presidentialpoll [link] [comments] Despite minor economic hiccups, trade has largely returned to its pre-war status as industries have stabilized. This was partly due to then-President Nathan Appleton raising interest rates in response to Garrison's funding cuts and minor currency instability resulting from the sudden influx of state control. Furthermore, despite Garrison's efforts to establish further independence from the increasingly close British empire by expanding trade with Haiti, Mexico, France, and the Netherlands, foreign investments, particularly by the British, in railroads and other industries continue, much to Garrison's chagrin. Meanwhile, on the domestic front, with William Lloyd Garrison shepherding the more affluent Liberty party to adopt a more radical rhetoric against the establishment and secret societies as a whole, the Anti-Masonic party would see a sudden bleed of support, as several of its representatives switched their party affiliations in their 1846 and 1847 campaigns. This bleed would continue, as the party became Garrison's largest outsider ally on key legislative reforms, with Garrison championing the collapsing party's platform on issues such as poll tax and voting reforms, and fines for secret societies. By 1848, party officials would agree on a formal merge, as the remainder of party members switched over. As Temperance sentiment spreads far and wide across the nation, Natavist feelings soar to unprecedented heights; as Catholics and the Irish find themselves in the crosshairs of nativism, owing to stereotypes associating them with regular drinking and heavy alcohol consumption. Federalist Led by their esteemed leader, George Evans, federalists have undergone a significant transformation following a series of setbacks, including major electoral defeats to the oligarchy during the "Revolution of 1846" in both the Presidential and House races, and narrowly retaining control of the Senate. They distanced themselves from the still-sensitive Daniel Webster administration, and addressing concerns over his well-known alcoholism and allegations of sympathy to liquor, they adopted a more pronounced pro-temperance stance; with states such as Connecticut and New Hampshire, where they held sway over governorships and state legislatures, implementing stricter regulations. Moreover, although initially backing the Sedition Acts and playing key roles in its creation alongside Federalist President Noah Webster in 1827, most of the party shifted its stance by 1847, opposing its renewal. While Federalists have supported specific measures during the Garrison presidency, particularly those related to Temperance and opposition to the Sedition Acts, the party has emerged as Garrison's main opponent, leveraging their status as the second-largest party in the House and their majority in the Senate, to block much of his agenda. Notably, Massachusetts representative Nathaniel Briggs Borden, supported by the party establishment, spearheaded Federalist efforts to censure Garrison for his attempts to rein in the National Bank. Nonetheless, with the defense of the Law and Order party, Garrison managed to evade censure with a vote margin of 19-35. Nevertheless, leveraging their control in the Senate, Federalists effectively obstructed Garrison's legislative agenda, halting proposed cuts to national defense meant to prioritize funding for education and infrastructure, as outlined in Garrison's Bill of rights. Additionally, they stymied social reforms proposed by Garrison, including provisions in The Penitentiary Act of 1848 aimed at alleviating penalties for tax evasion, victims of the Sedition Acts, and Dorr sympathizers. Furthermore, they thwarted the full implementation of Garrison's Land Reform policy, which aimed to repurchase all lands acquired by foreign investors. Despite defeats amid the "Revolution of 1846" and a party identity crisis, the glimmer of victory at the end of the tunnel, driven by opposition to Garrison and his efforts to dismantle the National Bank, has spurred party unity. Centering their campaign primarily on one issue: The National Bank, Federalists argue that Garrison's attempts to curtail it are unconstitutional, citing the 13th amendment which established a strong permanent bank, and criticizing his use of the spoils system, particularly Arthur Tappan's appointment as bank president in the wake of Appleton's removal. Opponents criticize Tappan as too inexperienced, highlighting his close friendship with Garrison and lack of a banking background, exacerbated by Appleton's own nearly decade-long experience as its president, to allege cronyism. On economics, Federalists campaign on reinstating Appleton; passing legislation to ensure the bank's stability; and the further federalizing of the bank to its pre-Garrison status. Cooperation with private industries in the construction of infrastructure, to limit government spending so that the nation may pay off the heavy debts sustained from a lengthy war on top of an economic depression. They also contest Garrison's efforts to distance New England's ties with British trade and investors, advocating instead for a stronger connection with other European Powers; They champion a return to a close-knit relationship, both diplomatically and economically, with Federalists emphasizing Britain, which contributed heavily to their independence and later the diplomatic resolution of the War of 1839, as their foremost ally. https://preview.redd.it/kw6x3jsyu90d1.png?width=645&format=png&auto=webp&s=61eea696763d9a22017b26e91766ed73f9f37cc2 Liberty Unseating the long-standing single-party rule of the Federalists during the Revolution of 1846, the Liberty Party stepped into the fray amidst a transformative era following a return to stability. Conceived by now-President William Lloyd Garrison under the influences of transcendentalism and liberty, advocating opposition to the government and support for limited intervention, it proved easier said than done to translate ideals into reality. Garrison eventually faced the stark reality upon assuming office, facing a slim majority in the House and a minority in the Senate, which forced him to navigate within the system, leaving much of his agenda in vain. Furthermore, Garrison's failure to pass equal rights and his proposed bill of rights has led inner-party critics, led by George Ripley, a Unitarian minister, and Henry David Thoreau, an author and former campaigner of Garrison, who has returned to civilization from his isolation in the forests of Massachusetts, to label Garrison as "corrupted" by political institutions. Other intra-party critics criticize his national restrictions on alcohol, attempts to block foreign business and investment, and fines for secret societies as further increasing the authority and scope of the government when the party's whole platform stood against it. Nonetheless, allies argue that his restrictions and expansion of executive power are necessary evils to tackle the root causes of societal issues and special interests and to promote the nation's independence while also supporting local businesses and industries. Despite the emergence of splintering anti-Garrison factions, the Liberty Party has sought to navigate controversy by upholding the core tenets of Garrison's presidency. These include his cessation of collaboration with the U.S. on the deportation of fugitives from the Hudson-Greenway line; dismantling what Liberators perceive as a corrupt National Bank, and his instrumental role in achieving Statehood for the District of Maine after a struggle spanning over a decade, resulting in the creation of two new states: Maine and Bangor. In addition to championing Garrison's established agendas, the party endeavors to garner support for unfinished initiatives. These include proposals to expand the House's seats from 65 to 86, with each state gaining two more representatives than its electoral vote in the Electoral College, thus aiming to bolster representation. Furthermore, they advocate for Garrison's Second Bill of Rights, seeking to amend the constitution to ensure rights for all citizens and to federalize the poll tax to a reduced fee of $1.80. Additionally, they push for legislation aimed at diminishing the influence of Jewish bankers and investments, echoing Garrison's public condemnation of them as "the enemy of the people and Christ" and their purported "stranglehold over our nation's wealth." https://preview.redd.it/9xaddoj2v90d1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=362325892120aab3df3f014dd3dfdb71f42440d9 Law and Order Despite suffering heavy defeats amidst the Revolution of 1846 and Thomas Dorr's rebellion, the cornerstone of the party's creation, now relegated to the back burner of voters' minds, the Law and Order alliance of Farmers, Liberals, Traditionalists, and former Federalists and Nationalists finds itself in an awkward position. Larger parties such as the Federalists have adopted the centerpiece coalition's platform, such as the Federalists now championing calls for cooperation with the U.S. and moderate views on black and women's rights, while the Liberty Party advocates for limited government and a smaller national bank; Nonetheless, the Law and Order coalition has attempted to carve out a platform wedged between the two current party giants. Led by the party's House leader Robert C. Winthrop, the party has strongly emphasized its economic agenda, in a bid to set it apart from the two leading parties. They advocate for a limited National Bank, arguing for its scope to be restricted to essential sectors such as agriculture, infrastructure, and trade. Additionally, they propose limits on the money supply to maintain a stable bimetal gold and silver standard, advocate for increased transparency regarding bank loans, and impose requirements for loan eligibility. Moreover, emphasizing a limited federal government approach in favor of state control, they argue for allowing states to charter their own banks to a certain extent. They have also advocated for giving full control to the states to set their whiskey and alcohol policies, supporting government rollbacks on Garrison's national restrictions. Critics from the Law and Order faction lambaste Garrison for what they perceive as insufficient efforts to rein in the National Bank. Instead, they accuse him of employing the spoils system by appointing his friend, Arthur Tappan, whom many consider inexperienced, to oversee it, despite most of the party voting to replace Appleton with him. The party has argued for lower tariffs, contending that high tariffs disproportionately affect the nation's farmers while benefiting wealthy foreign and domestic investors and businesses; Additionally, they argue that lower tariffs would benefit consumer interests. Championed by Winthrop and fellow prominent Law and Orderites, including Senator Franklin Pierce, former Governor Edward Everett, Representative Charles G. Atherton, Rhode Island speaker John Hopkins Clarke, and a now one-legged John Fairfield, the party has attempted to adopt a "Proclamation of Neutrality" regarding foreign policy, believing their strength could be achieved through trade and cordial relations with any country, regardless of past relations or tensions with the nation's ally states. Most notably, their support for this policy extends to the nation's most infamous and longstanding enemy, the United States, with whom the nation has fought two wars. Any attempts to reconcile have been further complicated after the election of vocal anti-Fugitive ally, William Lloyd Garrison, who halted Yankee cooperation in the retrieval and return of fugitives. Nevertheless, this faction, derisively labeled the "Doughfaces" by critics due to their perceived willingness to bend to U.S. interests argues that cooperation was necessary. They point to the provisions of the Treaty of Brussels and the agreed-upon reward for captured fugitives, whom they claim weren't even citizens of New England, that the U.S. agreed to pay; Which they contend as a necessary evil to tackle and settle the burdensome debts the nation has accumulated in recent years. In stark contrast, the "Firebrands," nicknamed as such due to the fearmongering that their support for Garrison's policy will spark a third crisis between the two bordering nations, are led by Representative John P. Hale of New Hampshire and Associate Justice Marcus Morton, the 1841 National Party nominee. Famously during a party meeting, Hale would passionately argue, "After witnessing the sacrifice of countless lives, the toll of significant casualties, the devastation wrought upon our infrastructure, and the profound scars etched upon our nation, it would be nothing short of tragic to discover ourselves entangled once more in the very predicament we endeavored to escape..." This sentiment has been echoed similarly by the rest of the Firebrands as they emerge as the top faction opposed to inner-party calls for cooperation with the United States. Minor PartyThis section is dedicated to minor parties that lack ballot access or cannot field candidates beyond specific races, making their chances of winning impossible.Drunkards Amidst the backdrop of anti-immigrant and Catholic sentiments fueled by campaigns advocating Temperance and the implementation of anti-alcohol measures on the national agendas of leading political factions, a coalition of politically engaged Catholic and Irish immigrants has emerged. Spearheaded by the influential editor of The Boston Post, James Gordon Bennett Sr., a Scottish Roman Catholic, their collective efforts have given rise to a small yet significant political organization: the Workingman's Party. With minor political connections, the party has largely remained native to Massachusetts, where it has contested several seats across the state, on a platform consisting of only three issues: equal protections for immigrants and immigrant workers, labor rights, and most infamously of all, opposition to temperance and alcohol restrictions. As a consequence, despite its intended role as a champion for laborers and immigrants, the party has more famously become to be known the mocking moniker of the "Drunkards" party, a label crafted by detractors to smear its reputation and insinuate that the party is run by a bunch of alcoholics who only became politically active after attempts to take or limit their bottle consumption https://preview.redd.it/p39hdv64ja0d1.png?width=1035&format=png&auto=webp&s=907ffefd3e191033384bc9ac17bab090ad4b876d View Poll |
2024.05.13 21:03 FakeElectionMaker In 1934, almost mmediately after coming into power, the AN, which had a section in French Algeria composed exclusively of pieds-noirs, banned miscegenation in all of France's overseas territories.
Jacques Dutroux was a Social Darwinist and scientific racist who blamed miscegenation for the "degeneracy" of the United States, as slave owners had intercourse with their slaves. The ban on race mixing and interracial marriage was followed by further restrictions on natives that effectively implemented Jim Crow-style segregation across the French colonial empire; they segregated society down to its furthest minutiae, and only French Indochina, whose inhabitants (especially the Tonkinese) were not perceived by the Jacqueries to be inferior, was spared. Colonial tirauller units were also maintained. submitted by FakeElectionMaker to GustavosAltUniverses [link] [comments] After the Allies liberated virtually all of the French colonial empire in May 1945, they lifted segregation and removed all restrictions on French colonial subjects, but did not promise independence (except for Tunisia) which the post-1950 French government did and followed with its remaining overseas territories (except French Polynesia, which remained in France's hands and remains so to this day due to its lack of strategic value). On 14 July 1957 (French Revolution Day), a referendum was held on Algerian independence, and 64% of voters chose independence. General elections were held on 12 October 1957, and won by the party that led the independence struggle and had its flag become that of Algeria. |
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2024.05.13 02:53 EverydayAden BETTER LATE THAN NEVER? Neptunia r/place 2023 Summary and Post-Place Events Neptunia: Pixels vs Pixels: Story of Destruction and Rebirth
Heya, before reading this, it is HIGHLY recommended that you read this summary from this Google Document instead because the entire "The Tales to be Told" portion had to be cut from this Reddit post to fit the 40,000 character limit, and that part is the full recap. I repeat, the full summary can be found IN THE GOOGLE DOC. submitted by EverydayAden to gamindustri [link] [comments] The Google Document also has every image readily visible instead of a bunch of Imgur links because Reddit has an image limit too. Here on this Reddit post, however, you can still find the post-Place section and the credits section with everyone's names and quotes. IntroductionHey, all! The Neptunia Pixel HQ is back with yet another tale to tell from place 2023! But before I get to the main details of this post, I’ll need to fill you all in on a couple details so you little rascals know what you’re getting into.This post is going to serve as a story of everything that occurred behind the doors of the Neptunia Pixel HQ during place 2023, which started on July 20th and ended on July 25th. At the end, there will be a list of everything we achieved this year and any other events that happened after place 2023. For those who don’t know, place was a social experiment originally hosted by Reddit on April 1st, 2017. During the event, everyone was given a 1000x1000 pixel canvas, and anyone on Reddit could change the color of a pixel on the canvas every 5 minutes using a 16 color palette. 2017’s place lasted from April 1st to April 3rd. 2022’s place lasted from April 1st to 4th, but this time, there were two more canvas expansions that both doubled the canvas in size and expanded the color palette. And finally, this year’s place lasted from July 20th to July 25th, and oh boy, it was a wild one. The Neptunia Pixel HQ is a thread on the Gamindustri Standard Discord server. Last year, despite our greatest efforts to maintain our Neptunia plots, both were taken over by bots in the final hour. Our end goal was to make a comeback and get Neptunia on the 2023 place canvas to make a mark for the Neptunia series and its community. Last year’s place Summary The Tales to be ToldFor the entire story from start to finish, read this portion of the summary in the official Google Document! This section sadly had to be cut from the Reddit post to fit the 40,000 character limit. Post-PlaceFor those of you who made it to the end of the summary, thank you so much for reading! And for those who didn’t, that’s okay too. Now I’ll be mentioning some of the events that happened after place 2023, our noteworthy achievements, and some other creations that were made by the Neptunia Pixel HQ in celebration of our efforts in place 2023. I’ll also be crediting some people for making certain pixel art and tools that helped maintain our art on the canvas.Achievements! After our Nep and earless Dogoo were wiped out by the Poland flag one hour from victory and Noire too being erased minutes from the finish line in 2022’s place, HQ makes an insane comeback and manages to make Reddit’s official final cut of place 2023! Multiple resolutions of the final canvas can be found on Reddit’s post of the place 2023 data. https://www.reddit.com/place/comments/15bjm5o/rplace_2023_data/ Even though Reddit’s final cut is one or two hours prior to the true final canvas, this is still a massive feat, and a much better ending than if a bunch of people were wiped out by bots for the final shot. Yeah, you’re right, Zoro. Nothing happened. https://i.imgur.com/Ed2iWAA.png place 2022’s Neptune and famous earless Dogoo, before and after being wiped out by the polish flag an hour before the end: https://i.imgur.com/c6CM3A9.png https://i.imgur.com/CpVE4ja.png place 2022’s Nowa before and after being erased by an unknown force minutes before the end: https://i.imgur.com/iV05Ha8.png https://i.imgur.com/FjQMdfj.png place 2017’s Lastation and Planeptune logos: https://i.imgur.com/l78K1ec.png place Atlas has taken our request to add our description and information to our plot on the canvas. If you scroll through the timeline, you can also spot our other various attempted plots. https://2023.place-atlas.stefanocoding.me/#//-825/-218/8.14 The Final Clean has also taken our request to add our template to their cleaned up version of the canvas, which you can also view on place Atlas. https://2023.place-atlas.stefanocoding.me/#/T/-825/-218/8.14 Just like last year, we were able to reach Idea Factory themselves to give us a shoutout on Twitter so others could help our cause, and they also mentioned the Neptunia subreddit. Thank you, Idea Factory! https://twitter.com/IdeaFactoryIntl/status/1683521321869737984 Post-Place Creations! Tsukitsune has made a stunning artwork of Nepgear offering a popsicle to Uni on the beach, with the Neptunia Pixel HQ’s names on the top. Thank you for your amazing artwork, Tsukitsune! Check out the post on Tsukitsune’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/Tsukitsune01/status/1688562079010000897 Later version of the art with name updates: https://i.imgur.com/2P7yFSB.jpg Electrocutux has made an absolutely awesome artwork of the CPU candidates and Histoire in front of the Planeptune tower, with various references to surrounding art on the place 2023 canvas. Thank you for your incredible artwork, Electrocutux! https://i.imgur.com/aHqSXS0.png Brand new never-before-seen 3D images of Pixel Placr were made by Crimson Heart (u/Xeno_CHeart) in Koikatsu! Thank you for giving even more love to our amazing mascot, Crimson Heart! https://i.imgur.com/LoKMayb.png https://i.imgur.com/QV0T434.png https://i.imgur.com/ape7LXZ.png https://i.imgur.com/DscLG4U.png The original Pixel Placr artwork from 2022, also made by Crimson Heart: https://i.imgur.com/4tcyQ4V.png Teiroba (u/teiroba) was logging many entries of their experience live during place, and all of their amazing writings are here for all to read! Witness the personal story of a fellow HQ member as they ferociously battle the denizens of the canvas. “I stand there, waiting, protecting what I hold dear. I can feel the world tensing, like everything will soon end, and I ask myself "When will it end ? Have we not suffered enough ? Have we not conquered enough to satisfy the Cursed Sword ? What will we need to do to be set free ?" And as I wait, I contemplate. Was it worth it ? No matter. The end is nigh... As I hope, I reminisce. The beginning... I think I remember. In the beginning, there was nothing, until we suddenly came into existence, with orders to create. And so we started with the Cursed Wielder. Yet, we were too weak, and soon enough, our work was destroyed. Was that what started this war ? I can barely hold onto these memories... We must have started to rebuild, if we still stand today. We had thought being near the Many that ressemble us would protect us. How naive... Didn't we start the first thing we truly called "war" then ? Such a pointless conflict over such a small space, and we thought this would be the extent of it all... And for what ? A hair strand ? Why do I feel panic when remembering what comes next ? Was that when the stakes appeared to me ? I remember the smell of the sea, and a shanty... Were pirates involved ? I think that is when we made a pact with the Devil, trying to use his most powerful creation... Why did we do that again ? I also remember movement... and yet we hadn't moved. Did we fail to expand then ? Why can't I remember ? Ahhh, it seems they are taking over. My allies want me to rebuild, but I cannot muster the strength. What is the point ? Destruction is imminent regardless. And so, I try to hold onto the last dregs of my memories, while I wait... The pirates... I recall panic, but I can't recall any threat... Were they that weak ? Then, I slept for what felt like forever. When I woke up, IT was there. The Cursed Sword. Gehaburn. I remember a skirmish, and clones ? I think that was when I started raising my army, conjured from the power of the Cursed Blade. Is that blade the reason I can barely remember the past ? It doesn't matter. I can feel it. My memories weren't moving on with me anyways. I remember fighting until I dropped. My soldiers... The Cursed Sword made them draw upon my own energy, instead of giving them their own. I can't recall much then... Was there a lemon ? How does one even fight against a fruit ? Or were we trying to put up a banner ? Who knows by now... We were so confident back then. Recalling what comes next... Truly, our foolishness knew no bounds. Ah... It seems my comrades - or should I call them friends by now ? Not that it will matter soon- are managing to rebuild nicely. Why are they doing this ? I can't understand. Are they not tired ? Do they not feel the end approaching ?... Is it the Sword ? Did I manage to break its hold on me, while it compels the others to rebuild it ? Should I help them break out too, or is it too late ? I cannot tell anymore... Despair. That is all that comes next. First, beheadings. Then, the devil itself got swallowed. And then we got eaten. Even our fully armed allies weren't spared. There was only blue for a while. We went on a true Conquest, to try and find a new territory for the Sword. A slug, a heart... All gone because of us. All that for what ? An empty victory, as our neighbors, who promised peace with the established, crushed us again. Then I slept. And I dreamed. This dream... Why is it the only thing I remember vividly ? I saw a man. He was sitting in front of a screen. Every few minutes, he would click and art appeared. The art... Was it our world ? Is that the truth of the World Above our own ? Were we merely puppets, conquering for their amusement ? It cannot be... As I woke up, I had been moved to a new place. I saw the Cursed Wielder standing tall. The others told me to wake my army : The time for conquest was upon us once again. A man, a monster, and so much more, consumed to summon the Wielder's friends... We finally got all four standing together. Then the Cursed Sword came back. We wanted to leave our mark on this world... Or was it the Cursed Sword's will ? And so we once more went on the warpath, all just to signal our presence. Then... Didn't our leaders want us to conquer more ? But I think one of them broke out of the Cursed Sword's hold, as he started feeling remorse, and had us help our former enemies. Now, as the world draws its last breath, I stand next to the broken fragments of the Cursed Sword. I look around me, and see people desperately holding on to what they hold dear. But I am at peace, for I am finally being set free. As I stand there still, waiting for the end, I wonder : "Who has won this war ? Was it us, who managed to stay standing until the world's end ? Was it the army leaders, who managed to trample and destroy ? The countries, who dominated ? The robot overlords, omnipresent, and crushing everything in the end ? Was it the protesters ?" But deep inside, I knew. The only true winners of this war, were the people behind the scenes, setting us up to heighten their numbers. The ones managing everything in the World Above our own. Finally, I close my eyes, as I feel myself disappearing into the unknown. If anyone somehow finds this, this is my last gift to the world : The memories of an insane man, suffering in a broken world, waiting for his end.” Additional Shout-outs Lastly, I’ll be crediting a few people for making specific pixel art, tools, and templates that greatly assisted us during place. This part isn’t post-place but it’s still something I wanted to add. Firstly, thanks to u/Palladium346 for creating the stylized sprites for the CPU candidates! https://i.imgur.com/X4DmcZt.png https://i.imgur.com/nfdRFXx.png https://i.imgur.com/m76bPMG.png ...as well as the unused Nepgear with brighter hair. https://i.imgur.com/pcrBPBL.png Thanks to Beta and Dudexploring (u/Dudexploring) for the Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 background idea, and to Beta for making the pixelated version that ended up on the canvas. https://i.imgur.com/FGFCBF8.jpg And credit to various others in the HQ chat for further stylizing the Planeptune tower into the final version. Updated tower entrance after removing the Sharicite symbol, made by Crady: https://i.imgur.com/uoOU7mC.png And credit to an unknown member for making the final version of the tower. And another thanks to Beta for making these unused versions of our “Go Love & Peace” sign. https://i.imgur.com/GD2HD0X.png https://i.imgur.com/s1kQSjA.png Thanks to Tsukitsune for making the unused “Top Nep” Plot, and for putting together convenient spreadsheets with our templates that greatly aided in building our art. https://i.imgur.com/IsOWDv5.png Credit to Zeroturne (u/Mehmet595) for making these unused CPU sprites during place. Seriously, aren’t they just adorable? https://i.imgur.com/y2UaJBg.png https://i.imgur.com/8dZe26Q.png https://i.imgur.com/zXFW7gL.png Thanks to an anonymous user for making these unused pixelated versions of the nation logos! https://i.imgur.com/XAETouf.png https://i.imgur.com/E6eq7Dj.png https://i.imgur.com/H05WN45.png https://i.imgur.com/ZqD4FEp.png https://i.imgur.com/gBO0S3O.png Thanks to “iblobtouch” for making this Lastation logo as well. https://i.imgur.com/fitJLi4.png And credit to Beta for making these unused stylized versions. https://i.imgur.com/JP8p1Ck.png https://i.imgur.com/loP8OUo.png https://i.imgur.com/1pPipmN.png https://i.imgur.com/fyhcU2q.png There were other unused assets that were made during place, but I have chosen to leave them out because some people either didn’t want to be credited or never responded. The Credits Screen!Aaaaand finally, the people who made all of this possible! These fearful warriors fought through thick and thin to mark their place on the canvas. u/Dudexploring "You can't have everything you wanted, something you must give up something for the greater good. You can't be too greedy, do not succumb to Gehaburn's desire of conquest." ..and so he left, with terrible power in shaking hands. u/planeptune_neptune “Conquest has the best story.” ..and so she left, her soul still remaining on the planet. Space Spud u/Space__Spud u/Wwlink55 Discord: wwlink55 ..and so he left, with delusions of a good night's sleep. u/meguminxpanda "this blue dot in the grass is actually a hoard of dogoo in the distance in virtua forest" ..and so she left, with two shakes of a dogoo's tail u/teiroba Discord: Teiroba "I'm so fucking done i'm starting my new career as a place fanfiction writer" ..and so he left, leaving fading memories to a broken world. Richard Discord: planeptunecpu “THE GEHAVOID IS COMING...” u/haha_umadbro Discord: haha_umadbro "weebs stronk together" u/vinnn702 "We managed this with no template until it was almost over. 10/10 wouldn't have done this any other way." ..and so they left, deathly afraid of the feeble Culicidae. u/Mehmet595 Discord: zeroturne "When you wake up, you will see your bed is surrounded with pipebombs." ..and so he left, with the thoughts about his waifu preferences. u/Xeno_CHeart Discord: virtuecpu "Hey, I'm the creator of Pixel Placr, New drawing coming soon (or out depending on timing)" u/HamoodyTheWolf "everything the pixel touches is our kingdom" u/iseealemon Discord: thebirbyboye "Never thought I'd see myself discussing pixel diplomacy with an entire nation, but alright." ..and so he left, returning to his corner with a feeling of newfound friendship. u/RalsTube131 Discord: thisisrals "Truly one of the places of all time" ..and so he left, going back to lurking on servers. u/Bajs1030 "Neptunia fans are truly a fascinating breed" u/Palladium346 "From slumber I rise, and to slumber I one day will return." u/SkyBlueNinja Discord: skyblueninja Discord: ik4n “ight let’s go team, place them pixels” u/mister_foudre Discord: electrocutux "There was less bots in 2022." ..and so he left, with his inner peace finally returned. Discord: maenep "I will not stand for this BULLSHIT, Uni WILL RISE" u/SomeRandomNep Discord: reithedweeb ..and so they left, with their sanity burnt to a crisp... u/sammyrms1 Discord: sammyrms1 "Victory is forever, and so are our Guardian Goddesses." u/diggy631 Discord: diggy631 "Streamer Vs Streamer - the real SvS." ..and so he left, turning his misery into song. u/Xstronomy007 Discord: chacheechoo "At least I was awake when we carpet-bombed France." ..and so he left, deleting reddit app off his phone. u/ThatOneBonk_ Discord: thatonebonk ..and so he left, remaining unseen. u/Incave59112 Discord: incave "I had a great moment joining the community for this event, keep on nepping everyone !" u/BardOfTheCrab Discord: godson42423 "who the hell is UniGearFutaerotica" ..and so he left, unsure of his true muse. u/piplupm Discord: aceofdeathpiplupm "I'm doing my best, sarge!" ..and so he left, in search of another world's story that he may witness. u/Luna-Crestt Discord: lunacrestt2 “The Sister Slicer is finished. LET’S GOOOOO!” Beta “To all the true Nep fans of the series, this year's place is filled with all kinds of little references. As a large contributor to how the final canvas was designed, I hope you catch those references Dimension Tripper. We truly did a lot this year!” u/Archadianite Discord: archadianite "Even if it seems impossible, don't give up! Also, Fuck Spez" Axle u/YaBoiAxle (Got banned during 2022’s place, never forget) u/Axle-Gaming (New Main made specifically for this place) Discord: yaboiaxle “The amount of times I listened to Divine Madness then Aden & Arch jumped into a VC with me to tell me something horrible was happening in place was ridiculous.” ..and so he left, on a different account. Crady “Nep Team Epic!!” u/IblobTouch Discord: iblobtouch “Let's go for the Holy Sword ending next time!” u/RyNinja22 Discord: ryninja “Even if everything is in vain, I will keep on struggling...” -Shirasu Azusa, Blue Archive. These names and quotes were submitted from people in the Gamindustri Standard Discord server after the event. I assumed that anyone who did not DM me did not want to be credited. If anyone wants their credits to be edited, added, or removed, please DM me! If you did not participate in the event, please do not ask to be credited, but if you did participate, let me know if you want to be credited and submit some sort of proof of participation, as I can’t just put anyone in here. Also, here’s how to submit a credit: I am only accepting Reddit and Discord usernames (not display names). You can have both or one or the other. Send me the usernames you want to be included. Optionally, you can then submit a quote with your credit, which can be something you said during place or anything you have to say after the fact. It can be funny, serious, or whatever! Go nuts. Additionally, you can also make up a Risk of Rain quote to go with the other one! This is also optional and was just done for fun even though it’s irrelevant. Here's an example of Risk of Rain's end quotes for all of it's characters. You can choose one of these or make up your own. https://www.reddit.com/riskofrain/comments/ib4sda/risk_of_rain_2_ending_messages_for_each_characte You can have a normal quote and a Risk of Rain quote at the same time if you want, or one or the other. It's completely up to you. Submit all of this information to my DMs on Reddit or preferably on Discord if you know me there, as I’m less active on Reddit. If you don't want any usernames attached to your credit, I can list you as anonymous and still include your quotes. I can also just submit a name that isn’t a username like I’ve done with a few people above. If any of this is confusing, the credits above are good examples. The usernames and quotes you send will all be copied exactly, so make sure you don't make mistakes. If you want your credit edited, added, or removed, DM me. If you have further questions, also DM me! Here’s also an example of how the credit will look: Outro and Personal ThanksHey HQ, it’s Aden. I know I wrote a thank-you message last year too but something I don’t like is that I tried to make it sound way too epic and sincere that I forgot to just be real with everyone and say exactly what I’m thinking. I know I was a bit of a dick this year and got sort of frustrated trying to get this done and I even left the Gamindustri Standard Discord for a day during the event, so I’m sorry if I treated you guys not so nicely.All I really want to say is thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for making this possible. I never expected the Neptunia Pixel HQ to be formed. It’s been such an awesome time chatting with you guys, dicking around, cracking jokes, and banding together to work towards this goal. Both this year and last year were a hell of a time. And I can’t believe we actually made it to the end this time. It’s seriously crazy how much we’ve grown through each place. Even if you weren’t in the Neptunia Pixel HQ thread this year, I’m so thankful for everything you’ve given me. And LOOK. LOOK AT US. WE MADE IT. WE did that together. I’m so proud. https://i.imgur.com/bn4CSzd.png Seriously, you guys are the best and you’re such a great group of people. Thank you for sharing this with me. And sorry this summary took so incredibly long. Anyways guys, that’s it from me. Ima head out https://i.imgur.com/EDlQg5m.gifv https://preview.redd.it/349vzfx6830d1.png?width=655&format=png&auto=webp&s=cdcc69cec811b57df589b31566c7611ecdf3d8dd |
2024.05.12 22:35 Lionclaw21 Ice Dance Grand Prix Spots for the 2024/25 Season
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2024.05.12 22:04 popcodswallop [WTS] VINTAGE • 1930s-40s Italian and French Wet Noodles (Superflex-Wet Noodle): (2) Montegrappa Extras Aurora Selene Astura Nova Novo Retrofit (3) Edacotos Mercury w/ Sticker •
2024.05.12 15:01 hockeydiscussionbot Daily Free Talk Thread: PLUS, links to ALL Game Day Threads inside - 12 May 2024
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2024.05.12 03:31 freifraufischer A (not so quick) and Dirty Guide for Four Year Fans of Rhythmic (who happen to be regular fans of Artistic Gymnastics)
(This is a lose adaptation of a very long thread I posted on the bird site. It's meant as a summary so there are things in here that are overly broad but I mostly want to help artistic fans know what is going on in Rhythmic with Paris on the horizon.) submitted by freifraufischer to Gymnastics [link] [comments] So you only watch Rhythmic Gymnastics every 4 years and OMG Paris is in a few months and you have no idea what your watching except dropping things is bad and wasn't this sport like super corrupt? Let's start with the basics. In the ye olden times all female gymnasts used to do exercises with portable and non portable apparatus. So a balance beam would be non portable and things like clubs, or balls would be portable. What we know of as artistic gymnasts competed in team portable apparatus. This video is from the 1952 Olympics and at the .10 mark you can see the Hungarian team which includes the great Ágnes Keleti (HUN) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtZ9t_9O-b0 One of my favorite facts about Auntie Ágnes is that not only is she the oldest living Olympic champion at 103, a holocaust survivor and number 3 on the all time women's Olympic medal list... she's also a reigning Olympic champion as her team was the last to win gold on Team PA before the event was discontinued. A lot of things were changing in gymnastics in the 1950s, women stopped doing Rings, the uneven bars started evolving from just being a set of pbars set to different heights, and they stopped doing exercises with portable apparatus. It was in this period that the sport that we now know of as Rhythmic Gymnastics split off and embraced ways to make themselves different from Artistic Gymnastics. What I want to emphasize here is that Rhythmic is just as "old school" as Artistic. It might be useful to point out here that in a lot of languages call MAG/WAG "Sport Gymnastics" (Russian) or "Apparatus Gymnastics" (many other European languages). In these contexts RG is often called "Artistic Gymnastics" because the sport emphasizes artistry so much more. The idea here is that this is a discipline that emphasizes more musicality, dance, formal ballet, and as a consequence they ban things like saltos. I'm mostly talking to people who are familiar with artistic gymnastics so think of this as "dance elements taken to 11". Broadly a RG wants to keep the apparatus moving at all times as they perform elements, to avoid dropping it but also to avoid holding onto it with an obvious death grip. The ball should for instance sit in the hand, not be squeezed to keep hold. Here is a basic guide to ball handling by a British RGI (Individual Rhythmic Gymnast) and just understanding that basic foundation of handling really goes a long way to explain just how difficult the sport is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MSLaVO-MM&t=246s They throw the apparatus but your eye should stay on the gymnast not the flying apparatus as they do dance between the throw and the catch. If they catch the apparatus when they can't see it that's extra difficulty. Sometimes really terrible television camera crews will follow the apparatus in the air instead of the gymnast and this is very much worse than when they do face close ups on beam. All of the elements are what is happening UNDER the apparatus during the throw. One of the things I find incredible about rhythmic gymnasts is just how smart they need to be in order to do their sport. We're talking a special and physical awareness that is second to none because they need that catch to appear natural and effortless. A hand should meet the apparatus you shouldn't stick your arm up and wait for it to arrive. You should be in the right place to catch it without having to move unnaturally out of your choreography or you will get a trajectory deduction. As a good casual rule of thumb, if you are seeing them trying hard to do something, something is wrong. In fact, the ability of the gymnast to precisely control those throws means that when they do ribbon at the elite level they turn the air handling off in the arena so as not to influence the 6 meters of flying silk (that's almost 20 feet in freedom units). This adds a new level of awe when you realize that during ribbon qualification at last year's world's in Valencia, Spain it was 35 C (or 95 F). Please think about that later when I show you ribbon routines. And how toasty it will certainly be for athletes in Paris. The apparatus are Hoop, Ball, Clubs, Ribbon, and Rope. Wait... what? Rope?! Yes. So they used to rotate between the 5 apparatus but Rope has fallen out of favor largely because it's difficult to read on TV, though many purists think it's the most difficult apparatus. It's still competed among juniors and here is 2019 Junior Rope Apparatus World Champion Anastasia Simakova (RUS) (now GER) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-G47KnUCZY Another useful thing to know about the apparatus is that the clubs can be connected together or disconnected and this will frequently happen during the course of routines. My favorite weird fact about rhythmic is that if the clubs go out of bounds while connected it counts as one apparatus, but if you yeet the clubs out of bounds while they are separated it's two for double the penalty. No really... I will never not find this funny for some reason. https://preview.redd.it/205fhweiyvzc1.png?width=438&format=png&auto=webp&s=3c1693c4f044588989d107a5effa90dcd02a718f As a note, Ribbon always scores lower than the other apparatus, and you don't just risk dropping it but knots or even tangling yourself up in the ribbon in a kind of sparkly auto-bondage happen more frequently than you might think. RG scoring is fairly complicated but in brief: Difficulty, Execution, and Artistry scores which are combined together to create a total. Execution and Artistry are out of a 10.0. Think of Execution the same way you would in AG, somewhere in the 8s is good. You start to look for something fairly major wrong when you have an E in the low 7s, and anything below 7 for an Olympic contender was a car crash. Like .44 in this video where major Olympic contender Stiliana Nikolova (BUL) trips on the spare apparatus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbx4R4M3akk&t=44s Difficulty is open ended and is broken up into DA (difficulty of apparatus handling) and DB (body difficulty). If you want a better summary than I could ever give you (if a little outdated because of updates), here is the 2022-24 code in 15 minutes from Clematis on youtube. It was made for a RG point of view but I think if you are used to the WAG code you can probably follow along well enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxIlbaiPJWY Some gymnasts (like Nikolova and Darja Varfolomeev (GER)) build their routines on extremely high difficulty while others like Ekaterina Vedeneeva (SLO) and Daria Atamanov (ISR) concentrate on lower difficulty more securely done. Rhythmic Group Gymnastics (RGG) is performed with 5 gymnasts together doing complex interacting choreography and exchanges. The apparatus for RGG changes every few years but always one routine is done with 5 of the same apparatus, and another with a mix of 2. The Paris quad RGG is 5 Hoops, and 3 Ribbons/2 Balls. People who want chaos wish for 10 Clubs but that's not in the cards for the next quad either. If you aren't used to watching Rhythmic I promise you are probably better at spotting when things go wrong than you think. You may not know what it is, but "wait that's not right" comes quickly. Because the IOC hates fun, there are only two medal events at the Olympics, the All Around in RGI and the All Around in RGG. At world championships there is the All Around for both individuals and groups, but there are also apparatus finals. Because there are no apparatus medals at the Olympics we sometimes wont get to see the real masters of a given apparatus. Imagine if you never got to see Sanne Wever's beam because to get to the Olympics she had to be one of the top 24 All Arounders in the world. Which is really an important thing to point out. There are only 24 individual rhythmic gymnasts at the Olympics. That is a TINY fraction of the competitive field. Relative to international competition there will be many highly competitive RGIs left home compared to WAGs. I want to dwell on that point for a moment so I'm going to apply the RGI Olympic qualifying procedure to the Artistic field. Rhythmic worlds Olympic QFers were all non-nominative, meaning the place is awarded to the country not the gymnast by name. If WAG Olympic QF looked like RGI:
Back to the real world there are some heart breakers. There are 4 Bulgarians in the top 12 All Arounders this year. They have 2 spots in Paris. Other countries like Germany, Italy, and Ukraine will be leaving at least one great gymnast at home. I'm going to go through the likely Olympic field, as well as some that will not make the Olympics because they deserve their flowers too. These routines are, for the most part, the their top scoring routines from 2024, or if I thought a 2023 Worlds routine is a better representative I've used that. For the top 5 All Arounders this year I'm showing you a routine on each apparatus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLPt-3rifnA&t=119s By the way, she's 18, just very short which isn't that common for a rhythmic gymnast. Her father was a professional football player and played in the 1986 FIFA World Cup for Bulgaria... continuing my theme of elite gymnasts with international footballer fathers. 😊 Sofia Raffaeli (ITA)
😊 Daria Atamanov (ISR)
Atamanov was on a roll in 2022 as the European Champion (which means a LOT in RG), 2 gold medals at the World Games... and then she broke her leg in warmups at 2022 Worlds. She came back to win bronze in the AA at 2023 Worlds. 😊 Darja Varfolomeev (GER)
😊 Boryana Kaleyn (BUL)
If I was a betting woman I'd say the Olympic medals are going to come from that first 5 gymnasts I introduced. There are others of course but these 5 gymnasts own all the World and European AA medals from this quad. 😊 Takhmina Ikromova (UZB) Ball - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chS5Y-8c8do Ikromova owns the 11th highest All Around score of the year so far... her problem is those 5 big names hold the top 10 between them. Still she's the best rhythmic gymnast in Asia and came in 5th at worlds last year. On a good day she could medal in Paris but she may need help. And the Bulgarians are inclined towards helping others medal way too often for the sanity of their fans. 😑 Elvira Krasnobaeva (BUL) Clubs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lw7_y3Rh50 Remember how limited the Olympic field is? Well this is the 7th best RGI by AA score this year. She almost certainly wont be in Paris because Kaleyn and Nikolova are just better bets. 😁 Elzhana Taniyeva (KAZ) - Asian Champs Quota Clubs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb9gZGdUkZY 😊 Ekaterina Vedeneeva (SLO) Ribbon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NByCW_nEUws Bronze medalist with ribbon at 2022 and 2023 Worlds is the beloved veteran finally able to shine later in her career. Think about how WAG fans feel about Georgia Godwin or Ellie Black and mix that with the elegance of an Eythora Thorsdottir. She originally competed for Russia but switched to Slovenia in 2018, in contrast to someone I will mention later Irina Viner did not oppose her transfer. A key difference was that Viner never saw Vedeneeva as a threat to take medals from Russian gymnasts. 😑 Eva Brezalieva (BUL) Hoop - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mTbBZS2TzQ Remember how I said 4 of the top 12 All Arounders this year were Bulgarian? Meet number 4. Unfortunately for her they only have 2 spots in Paris. 😊 Alba Bautista (ESP) Ball - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyTRgKgyK6c 😊 Viktoriia Onopriienko (UKR) Clubs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4icRp-FX5Y Bronze with clubs at 2023 Worlds, this is one of my favorite routines of last year. It also shows what the power of a giant crowd that actually has rhythm clapping unlike some depressing artistic gymnastics crowds. But you may know her from this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOCHFWODAGY 😊 Margarita Kolosov (GER) Ball - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCwB_3ESnPQ Remember how I said Germany will have a hard choice, after Varfolomeev they have two very talented gymnasts plagued with inconsistency. Kolosov is likely the one who will win out here (which some may feel is right as she earned the second German spot at worlds however the other athlete wasn't permitted to compete at 2023 Worlds....). I think of Kolosov for her incredibly aggressive towel throwing at the start of her walk out. Every time. 😑 Anastasia Simakova (GER) Ball - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OotziO4k34w Kolosov can't breath easy because running neck and neck with her is her club mate Anastasia Simakova but if inconsistency marks both of them it does Simakova more. She had been a Jr. World Champion for Russia and came to Germany (where her parents had immigrated) in 2022. Simakova's family are from the ethnic German minority in Russia and she told Irina Viner that she was going to Germany to get (a very real) back injury treated. And never came back. The Disney Villain of Gymnastics was displeased and held up her country transfer for a year. A stress point is that she didn't immigrate to a country where it would be easier to make the Olympics. She moved to the one her parents had already immigrated to. Viner has allowed Russian gymnasts to leave and compete for small unthreatening countries in the past, but generally those have been "B" team gymnasts. Simakova had far too much success and Germany (and her coach Yulia Raskina) were far to outside of Viner's control to allow it. 😊 Fanni Pigniczki (HUN) Hoop - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsKKiL3kA1Y The most successful Hungarian rhythmic gymnast ever, she won bronze with the hoop at 2023 Worlds. The Spanish crowd gave her a nickname after the motion one makes while making potato croqueta. 😊 Zohra Aghamirova (AZE) Ball - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVP7dSfv44k 😊 Helene Karbanov (FRA) Ribbon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwD31PfYp-0 The French were very proud of the fact that they qualified both a group and an individual in their own right and didn't need a host spot. Karbanov doesn't quite have the difficulty to contend for medals but her artistry is lovely and enjoyable. 😊 Bárbara Domingos (BRA) Ball - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD_oAqQINLQ Domingos is pretty decisively the best RG in the Americas right now and I expect insanity when Rhythmic Worlds is held in Brazil next year. One of the things I love about this routine is you can clearly see how they can't grip the ball so the handling has to be precise. 😊 Milena Baldassarri (ITA) Hoop - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6beHGGdPq7M Baldassarri finished 6th in Tokyo and is probably the second Italian but she has a younger potential rival for that spot that is chasing at her heals. 😑 Tara Dragas (ITA) Ball - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cto6j-UgN6k I actually think the fight between the Italians for the second spot should be tighter than the German race but I just can't let go of the sense that it will go to Baldassarri. Dragas is young though and surely a name for the LA quad. 😊 Polina Berezina (ESP)
😊 Annaliese Dragan (ROU) Ball - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A5zc1Ts_gM 😁 Wang Zilu (CHN) - Reallocated Host Quota
😁 Aliaa Saleh (EGY) - African Championships Quota Ball - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r40wQHtYQBA 😁 Evita Griskenas (USA) - Pan American Games Quota Ribbon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ergCL_3Ow She is the 2019 Pan American Games AA champion and 2023 Pan American Games silver medalist. She will be the only American rhythmic representation in Paris as the US did not qualify a group. 😔 Alina Harnasko (AIN) Ribbon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YWf8A6Xem0 Harnasko is the Tokyo bronze medalist and without question I think the best non Bulgarian FIG authorized RGI who wont be in Paris. She can not qualify as her only path to the Olympics would have been the European Championships and European Gymnastics has maintained their ban. That said, I don't think even if Harnasko had been in Paris she would have medaled. Having watched her over the course of the season (as well as other Belarussians), it's fairly clear to me that the Belarussians haven't maintained the difficulty curve to stay competitive. That covers the top individuals, there will be another European (not from a previously qualified country) and an Australian in the field. Group isn't my thing and I'm not keeping a running tally of the leading scores for groups so this will be a bit more vibes Israel (2023 World Champions) 3 Ribbons/2 Balls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hVWyjhZzzU I think at the moment Israel is the most likely to medal in group (if not gold). But Group can go south very quickly as seen with the same group doing the same routine at the Palaio Faliro World Cup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zl0WAhN3CE Bulgaria (2022 World Champions) 3 Ribbons/2 Balls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXYwZmzSLZo But I hear you saying, why do I think Israel has better odds than Bulgaria? They're stunning. And aren't they the Olympic champions? Well yes, A Buglarian group were the Olympic Champions, but this is a different Bulgarian group. They are much younger and the pressure on them is tremendous and cracks show quite frequently. Most tragically at 2023 Worlds. When your 5 Hoops routine is suddenly a 7 Hoops routine as you yeet the apparatus out of bounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVzWW0ulHFM Spain 5 Hoops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LxSPZAK_Vo China 5 Hoops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wd6wpMmFZo I desperately want the Chinese group to medal in Paris. They're my favs. I'm sorry I can't talk more coherently about groups than I can about individuals. Italy 5 Hoops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e05ezkvFHGg Ukraine 5 Hoops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bUW61a17xU Brazil 3 Ribbons 2 Balls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlE2tP6mVRw This is a very early season competition but it's my favorite mixed apparatus group routine this year and I think showcases how different styles can be integrated into rhythmic. I can't wait to see this routine in Paris. France 3 Ribbons 2 Balls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZu9ZkZNkyQ Yes, this is the second Moulin Rouge I've shown you. Welcome to the Paris Olympics! Mexico - Pan American Games Quota 5 Hoops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K36uEWicn8 Egypt - African Championships Quota 3 Ribbons 2 Balls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGXCmYIpyAI Uzbekistan - Asian Championships Quota 5 Hoops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGjMF3VIXjQ Germany - Either the European Quota OR the Reallocated Host Quota 5 Hoops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py7M0QKBZ3g There will another European country which will either be whoever wins the European quota or if Germany wins it then AZE I have been salty about the fact that Australia gets a free pass to the Olympics despite finishing 23 of 24 Groups at 2023 Worlds but apparently they have a new group this year who I'm assured is not that bad. Anyway so that's the Olympic field, for the most part, because I'm a structural nerd I'm going to hit on a few other points. Corruption The sport has a terrible and long history of corruption, including judges cheating on FIG exams (you can thank rhythmic for why FIG doesn't like holding online exams), bribery, favoritism, and straight up writing the code of points to favor a particular athlete. I will be honest and tell you that the corruption kept me from giving the sport a chance for a long time and I don't blame you if you find it a non starter as well. It's still a problem but I have hope. There is no getting around that Rhythmic is essentially an Eastern European sport and Russia has dominated for many years in part because of the immense amount of money they spend not just at home but in other federations. One might say that Irina Viner bought herself a sport. Not that it wasn't for sale before Viner. To give a sense of the amount of money involved let's talk about palaces to Rhythmic Gymnastics. Literal Palaces. This is the Irina Viner-Usmanova Gymnastics Palace in Moscow. This is the National Gymnastics Arena in Baku, Azerbaijan, built in large part for the first lady/vice president of the country whose favorite sport is... you guest it. National Gymnastics Arena in Baku, Azerbaijan Just the mention of Baku is enough to send some rhythmic fans into PTSD flashbacks for completely unjustifiable scoring (and terrible camera work and and and ...) . The fact that the arena was built for Rhythmic though, will explain to Artistic fans why the arena can't put both a beam and a set of parallel bars on it's floor space at the same time at the Baku World Cup. The sport also has a vicious history of coaching abuse and eating disorders that I wont defend and I don't think has really been addressed. But the elephant in the room of all of this corruption and abuse is Irina Viner, the president of the Russian Rhythmic Gymnastics Federation. Irina Viner was married to Oligarch Alisher Usmanov, at one point Russia's richest man. He's currently the president of the European Fencing Federation which explains how they've massively botched handling Russian athletes. Her Wikipedia Article. They divorced for financial reasons after Usmanov was subject to many many many sanctions following the invasion of Ukraine. His mega yacht is stranded in Germany. Anyway, Irina Viner dresses like a Disney Villain and acts like one too. After she viciously attacked the judges at the Tokyo Olympics she was banned for 2 years starting from the day after Russia's international ban ends. https://preview.redd.it/0l3weeymcwzc1.jpg?width=866&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=960f12a402c0975dba57b994c64a50c826f91fe4 She has at different points told gymnasts that she'll kill them if they try to retire, and pulled Russian support from her own hand picked president of the Rhythmic Technical Committee because she didn't fall in line in Tokyo. The carrot to performing for Viner though is a promise of a marriage to an obscenely wealthy Russian man at the end of your career. Or you know... becoming the mother of Putin's children. Khorkina's face in this picture... https://preview.redd.it/2vv649gscwzc1.jpg?width=2200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5514a3ffe55d47e28834bb3156ed49941b56f7d1 So they're banned and they've dominated the sport for so long surely they're doing amazing things at their domestic competitions now. Well... for values of amazing. Viner has decided to create her own personal code of points which the Russians are now competing to. It emphasizes elements that in previous FIG CoPs caused massive numbers of injuries. Massive scores despite obvious errors and their gymnasts are breaking down physically. They've also brought up a non-apparatus routine setting called Free Hands which is normally competed by juniors... but hey if Irina likes it she's playing in her own sandbox now. Would the Russians be competitive if they were in Paris? Sure. Probably. But maybe not? It's hard to tell when they're playing in lala land and have routines composed for an entirely different code of points. No Russians have applied for FIG AIN status. But here is the best part.... Rhythmic Gymnastics is taking the time they have without the Russians and without Viner and they're fixing as much as they can as fast as they can. The age for juniors was raised last year (something Irina very much did not want) and the 2025-28 Code of Points takes a hatchet to a lot of the difficulty stacking (very broad over simplification) that has been written into previous codes to favor particular Russian gymnasts. They're basically unwinding what she did to the CoP either directly or through her influence. And right now Rhythmic is more competitive than it's ever been. A wide variety of countries are winning medals, and the RGI All Around in Paris looks to be the most unpredictable that it has ever been and much more unpredictable than the artistic all arounds. The biggest looming issue for Rhythmic though is the IOC's clear dislike of single gendered sports. With the introduction of men to artistic swimming it's hard to think that Rhythmic will stay in the Olympics for very long if they don't find some way to include men. There are two competing styles of men's rhythmic but neither has a mass of athletes. The first is Japanese Men's Rhythmic which includes things you normally would see in Artistic. Some argue that it's basically a different sport. Japanese Men's Rhythmic Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D48ZPoY2e2Y The second style is Spanish Men's Rhythmic which more closely echoes the women's discipline. Spanish Men's Rhythmic Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BckY1Glglrg Men's rhythmic faces a lot of resistance rooted in homophobia and I don't know how it's going to resolve. But the IOC is pretty much an unmovable object and they have been systematically forcing gendered integration on single gender sports. If you want to learn more here is a great video from a few years ago about the state of Men's Rhythmic and showing a lot of examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNhLauzoYOk I'll leave you off with one last routine. 😑 Taisiia Onofriichuk (UKR) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndz58tmfBVQ Onofriichuk will almost certainly not be in Paris but I feel like her exhausting ribbon is a good way to end this marathon of a thread. |
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Booker T. Washington became the first African-American President in 1912 and his presidency was filled with actions. First of all, he effectively used diplomacy to help to end some rebellions in russia throughout his term. As a result of these rebellions, Republic of Poland, Finland, Lithuania and Kindom of Ukraine became independent countries, Belarus and Kazakhstan gained some autonomy and other rebellions were put down. In particular, in Caucasus russia put down Georgian, Armenian and Azerbaijan revolts with the help of an unlikely ally, the Ottoman Empire. In result, russia gave control over Armenia and parts of Azerbaijan to the Ottomans. It may seem that France and russia gained an ally in reformed Ottoman Empire who gained influence in Balkan region previously. submitted by TWAAsucks to imaginaryelections [link] [comments] He faced some riots in the South due to his win, but those riots were put down. Still, White Supremacism seem to be on the rise in the South as a reaction to Washington's election and policies. On other front, Washington continued domestic policies of Roosevelt and Burke. The main difference was his push for the Civil Rights Act that would ban discrimination based on race, color of the skin and national origin. However, before it could be passed, President Washington's health rapidly deteriorated and he passed away in 1915 due to the kidney failure. Vice President Albert B. Cummins became President and was easily nominated as a Republican Presidential candidate. He runs on a promise to continue Washington's policies, including the Civil Rights act. He shares a lot of Washington's views, although more economically progressive. His running mate is Senator Charles Curtis who is pretty Bipartisan, but more Conservative than Cummins, although, he isn't opposed to the Civil Rights Act. He is also a member of the Kaw Nation, which makes him the first Native American nominated for Vice President. Meanwhile, the Liberal Party nominated Senator Robert M. La Follette for President. "Fighting Bob" is a Progressive Populist who thinks that Republicans are too conservative (Even though Albert Cummins is arguably as Progressive as Teddy Roosevelt) and he is an Anti-Interventionist who thinks that America shouldn't be involved in Europe's business. He chose a Representative and a former Speaker of the House Champ Clark as his running mate. Clark is more Conservative than La Follette, although, still a Progressive, and is Moderately Interventionist. However, he was chosen to appeal to Bourbon Liberals who are sceptical of La Follette. La Follette, surprisingly, isn't clear on his stances on the Civil Rights Act, which caused Southern Liberals to believe that he supports it. This caused a lot of Southern Liberals to denounce La Follete and run their own Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates under newly created Conservative Liberal Party. They nominated Senator Furnifold M. Simmons from North Carolina for President and James E. Ferguson, Governor of Texas, for Vice President. Their campaign is clear - the opposition to the Civil Rights Act with more Conservative government. There is also Social Democratic Party, which actually endorsed La Follette, but chose William E. B. Du Bois, a Sociologist, as their Vice Presidential Nominee. Other third party running is Prohibition Party, which nominated William Sulzer, former Governor of New York, for President and former Representative and Liberal Party's Vice Presidential Nominee William Jennings Bryan for Vice President. https://preview.redd.it/hh65s98o5szc1.png?width=1043&format=png&auto=webp&s=c6179accde69cd8256542b2ae61d9c8dc2aeb4f6 This election will be chaotic, but who will be the President is to be decided: View Poll |
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