In memory of Leslie Shay
10 years ago, on May 13, 2014, Leslie Shay (played by Lauren German), the fan-favorite character of the NBC studio's series Chicago Fire, died in the finale of the second season. True, viewers only learned about this when the third season started. The death of the character was followed by an uproar from the audience, the popularity of the series (which had been on the rise until then) and the number of viewers decreased, because many people stopped watching the series due to Shay's death, including the author of this post (I reached the end of the third season). Due to the anniversary, I started researching on the Internet to better understand why Shay's character was destined for this fate, and using quite a few references and also abundant with spoilers, I will share with everyone what I came up with in this post. I will also write my own opinion.
(I apologize for any grammatical errors, I did not write the post in English and I created the English version with the help of Google Translate)
Shay's character probably doesn't need to be introduced to anyone, but if you do, this link nicely summarizes why everyone loved her so much.
https://screenrant.com/chicago-fire-leslie-shay-lauren-german-best-traits-facts-trivia/
When I started researching the topic, I read that despite the fact that Chicago Fire is already in its 13th season, Shay remains one of the most loved and most missed characters to this day. However, later, when I wrote the post, I could not find the source again, if anyone can send a link to this topic, please do so.
It is clear that if the series loses such a popular character, it will have an impact and will shake the viewers. Well, it turns out, more than anything in the show's 13 seasons. I found a lot of sources to prove this:
1)
People's Choice Awards, USA, 2015 / Favorite TV Character We Miss Most
In the above category, Shay made it to the top 5, which no one else did later.
https://www.imdb.com/event/ev0000530/2015/1?ref_=nmawd_ev_1
2)
Most shocking TV deaths of all time
https://tvline.com/lists/shocking-tv-deaths/leslie-shay-chicago-fire/
Shay is also included in the top 100 list above, as well as two other characters from the entire One Chicago franchise, Elias Koteas as Alvin Olinsky and Yuri Sardarov as Otis. Thus, Shay was on a list with the likes of Teri Bauer (24), Lance Sweets (Bones), Bobby Ewing (Dallas) or Ned Stark (GoT)
3)
And this is what ChatGPT answered when it was asked which of the characters in Chicago Fire had the most heartbreaking death (short quote from the answer):
"The most heartbreaking character death was definitely Leslie Shay. Oh, it was gut-wrenching! Shay, played by the incredibly talented Lauren German, was such a beloved and integral member of Firehouse 51....."
https://onechicagocenter.com/2023/07/24/heartbreaking-chicago-fire-death-according-ai-not-otisi/
4)
If I use the Google Search service, the answer to this search will also be Shay:
Question: "chicago fire most heartbreaking death"
Answer: "Leslie Shay died in a fire"
Searching the internet, it became clear to me that it wasn't just Shay's death that shocked viewers, but also the fact that the show's creators made the decision to get rid of Shay's character. This decision raised many questions and problems, which I will go through below. There are a lot of posts and articles on the internet about why Lauren German left the series, but in fact they were all based on a single, otherwise amazingly short interview that was made with Matt Olmstead. I found this at this link:
https://tvline.com/interviews/lauren-german-leaving-chicago-fire-shay-killed-off-549958/
If anyone has seen or read other interviews or other information, please share them.
I read a lot of comments under the link above, and I would like to thank everyone for expressing their opinions there. I read a lot of things in the comments that I didn't even think of at first, but it's good that they brought them to my attention, because I completely agreed with them.

1. The creators of the series killed off the third female character in 2 seasons, who was also one of the main characters.
2. Killing a character directly just for the sake of dramatic effect is already quite a boring solution
3. Olmstead praised Lauren German's talent a lot in the interview, but then why didn't the producers try to keep the actress?
4. Olmstead stated that there will be no flashbacks involving Shay. But in the first episode there were 4 (from Severide, Dawson and Boden)
5. The LGBT community also received a slap in the face, as an openly lesbian character was killed off. This is also a solution that has been seen many times and is boring.
6. Shay and Severide's relationship was one of the prominent aspects of the series, which made it worth watching, in fact, according to many, it was such a novel and well-constructed thread that the creators of the series were praised for this. After Shay's death, without the dynamism of their relationship, the series became boring.
7. Opinions also suggested that perhaps the goal was to attract the right target audience with Shay's lesbian character, but they no longer wanted to retain this group of viewers, so it was a harsh decision made from a business point of view by the creators
8. Olmstead defended the decision by saying that they could bring more and more storylines into the series, while without Shay's character, the exact opposite was true.
9. He also claimed that all the characters were assessed on equal footing when the decision was made. In comparison, they immediately replaced Shay with a new character who looked like her, was not a lesbian like Shay, and was 10 years younger. Because Lauren German was born in 1978, Kara Killmer in 1988. The message of this change was extremely bad in the eyes of the viewers
10. There was a commenter who suggested that the change was made so that the new character could be romantically involved with one of the male characters, and this actually happened during the third season when Brett and Cruz got together
11. If the purpose of Shay's death was to show how unpredictable life is, they should have paid much more attention to the details. The first part of the third season is full of mistakes and unrealistic solutions
12. It is strange that the interview only mentions in a few sentences what Lauren said to the fact that the creators of the series essentially fired her. In connection with this, it occurred to me that something else could have been behind the decision, which was never made public, but of course this is just a hunch.
13. As far as I know, Lauren German was the only main character in the history of Chicago Fire who did not leave the series by her own decision

There were many other strange things about Shay's death that could be found by searching the internet. I will also go through these in order.
A)
Let's return briefly to the fact that the popularity of the series decreased during the third season. This can be checked here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_(franchise))
Based on this, it can be definitely stated that whoever made this decision, for whatever reason, caused damage to the series.
The data:
First season, ranking 51, number of viewers 7.78M
Second season, ranking 31, number of viewers 9.70M
Third season, ranking 47, number of viewers 9.65M
The first season brought good numbers, and it can be seen from the data that its popularity increased for the next season. However, the ranking of the series dropped almost to the initial level by the third season, and although the number of viewers did not decrease so significantly, the reason for this is probably that, in addition to the viewers who left, there were still those who only joined at that time. Another interesting fact is that the third season is the only one where Dick Wolf is mentioned as showrunner. It is possible that during the third season he wanted to be more involved in the development of the story, and it was his decision to pull something unexpected in the series, so Shay's death is due to him. Here is a show-like interview with the whole team, in which I found it strange that Dick Wolf was given the central place on the stage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2tCrma7t5o&t=2s
It was as if they suggested that he was the most important person. It can be imagined that he always had the final say in making decisions. As a counter-example, I saw an interview with the actors of The Avengers, where one of the directors was present, and the Russo brother remained nicely in the background, since everyone was interested in the actors, Iron Man, and Thor, etc. However, this was not the case in this interview. Obviously, I'm not a behavioral researcher, so I can't draw important conclusions from a single interview.
Of course, it is also easy to imagine that the writing team made an independent decision, but did not count on how much the omission of Shay's character would turn fans away from the series. Thus, Dick Wolf was the savior when he was forced to intervene personally in shaping the story to mitigate the damage. Of course, it is also possible that these events and what I wrote about the video above have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
B)
It's also strange how many storylines with negative outcomes were connected to Shay's character during the first 2 seasons. She was seriously injured several times (the ambulance accident in the first season, the hospital bombing in the second season), and she went through several crises in her personal life. Her first love, Clarice, left her, and months later she broke Shay's heart a second time. Devon tricked and robbed her. When Severide and Shay wanted a baby, she failed to conceive. A patient of her, Daryl, whom she sympathized with, committed suicide in front of her eyes, and Shay also fell into depression after that, while her paramedic partner and friend, Dawson, did not care about Shay's mental breakdown at all. During the two seasons, she was almost hit by a car, almost shot, stabbed with a syringe, which could have been contagious, and there must have been other cases that I left out of the list. Then came the third season, where basically the firefighters who were inside a huge explosion were not hurt at all, while Shay, who was on the ground floor of the building, died in this explosion. On the part of the writers, this amount of negativism was perhaps already excessive and quite unrealistic (like the case of Doctor Romano in ER, who was hit by the helicopter). It's like the creators didn't really like the character, or didn't want to do anything with her other than build viewers' empathy / sympathy for Shay so they could switch it to a dramatic twist when the time was right. But that's the opposite of good storytelling in my view. My opinion is that the reason for Shay's popularity is not to be found in the "grateful" storylines written for her, because we will find it only and exclusively in the fantastic performance of Lauren German
C)
It's very strange that Leslie Shay was a main character in the first 2 seasons, but if you look at the Instagram page of the series (more specifically, the entire One Chicago franchise), you can see that Shay's character received very little attention.
https://www.instagram.com/nbconechicago/
At the time of writing this post, there were 3588 posts on the site. I took the trouble to check if my hunch was right and scrolled through to the posts about the first 3 seasons.
Number of pictures where Shay is clearly visible among many people in a group picture: 15
Number of photos where Shay is with 1-2 other people: 27
Number of photos featuring only Shay: 6
Yes, I didn't write a bad number, among 3588 pictures a total of 6 individual photos were given to one of the main characters of the first 2 seasons of the series, perhaps the most popular character of the series to date. Although Lauren German is a famously reclusive actress, she even has more selfies on her Instagram than that
D)
It's also very strange that in the third season they introduced a storyline that says Shay's death was caused by arson. Unfortunately, the execution of all this was extremely clumsy and illogical for me. It was already revealed during the first 2 seasons that Shay's parents are divorced, they live in two separate cities, and that she has no sisters. You could tell this from the fact that when Severide and Shay talked about who would take care of their baby if something happened to both of them, Dawson's name immediately came up. It's illogical that Shay wouldn't have said her sister. In fact, the whole thread felt more like a readjusting to placate fans who would channel their frustration and anger over Shay's death onto the arsonist in the story - instead of the show's writers.
E)
It occurred to me that maybe Lauren's relationship with her colleagues was not good, and for the sake of peace, the creators got rid of the character. This suggestion is probably the furthest from reality, I have a lot of hits that prove that Lauren maintained a very good relationship with her co-stars even later. Here are some examples of this
Trees R fun
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-rn0w-CTv-0
Shayveride back together
https://twitter.com/TaylorKinneyARG/status/1128137229577216000
S03 E14
https://hu.pinterest.com/pin/2814818493493352/
https://hu.pinterest.com/pin/630785491553579592/
From Lauren's Insta
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlRQVXqgxqP/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWZMBislmnE/
https://www.instagram.com/p/_50dHgFijd/
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2014/10/15/18477177/chicago-fire-if-anyone-can-saveseveride-it-s-casey
In real life, Kinney is grieving the loss of his costar, too.
"I miss her like crazy," he said about Lauren German. "She was a great scene partner. Great actor. Someone to work with and someone to confide in. It was an honest relationship. We hung out off the stages, too. I didn’t take that too easy.”
F)
It's also interesting that I've been able to find almost nothing online about what Lauren thought about what happened to Leslie Shay's character. What we do know from Matt Olmstead's interview is that she joked that she wasn’t going to miss the Chicago winters (she’s a California girl). Other than that, this is the only reaction from Lauren that can still be found, it's completely professional and polite, and perhaps it's no coincidence that she thanked the fans the most for their support
https://cartermatt.com/133627/chicago-fire-season-3-lauren-german-speaks-shay-premiere-shocke
"Hello beautiful people! I want to say thank you to NBC, Dick Wolf and the entire team for letting me be a part of such an amazing experience. I have to say I've never been around a more gifted, special, heartfelt, funny and loving cast and crew as with the CF gang. The show gave me so many priceless gifts. I'm forever grateful. I mostly want to thank the fans for their support and love on this journey. You all are so beautiful. It was a great honor to portray Shay. I love her: her spirit, her flaws, her honesty. And most of all she brought me the most genuine & meaningful interactions with you all, the fans, & my heart swells with gratitude. Thank you, thank you! So much love to you all.”
F) UPDATE
I just found this article, which for some reason didn't come up amongst the search results for the past few weeks.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2016/1/22/18408021/chicago-fire-alum-lauren-german-having-devilishly-good-time-on-lucifer
In this article, Lauren told a sweet story that I believe happened during the filming of the pilot episode of Lucifer:
Given her time on “Chicago Fire,” guest starring on “Chicago P.D.” and now on “Lucifer,” has German changed the way she reads about or watches crime stories in the news?
“I think so, but mainly I think my experiences have made me have even more respect for first responders than I did before I went to Chicago. Sure, I always respected them and paid attention when I’d see a fire truck going by or hear about the cops getting the bad guy.
“But after the training we went through with the firemen and paramedics in Chicago — plus now having worked with homicide detectives to prepare for ‘Lucifer’ — I can’t tell you how much I respect these guys and women.”
German found herself the butt of a few jokes during the filming of a huge scene in Los Angeles near the Dolby Theatre — the site of the annual Oscars show.
“There were helicopters flying overhead, there was all this commotion, but we also had real firemen there. It wasn’t too long after I left ‘Chicago Fire,’ so they were yelling at me, ‘You went to the dark side!’ They were really kidding me about going from playing a paramedic to playing detective.
“Of course the cops on the scene were yelling just the opposite — telling me, ‘No! You’ve come to the bright side!’ I loved that, because that’s the fun friendly competition between the firemen and police officers. It’s kind of like Army vs. Navy.
“But of course, at the end of the day, everyone’s on the same team. These people are my heroes.”
In addition, she also talked about her previous work here, based on which it can be stated that the rumors that she wanted to quit are completely unfounded (I considered this suggestion so unfounded that I didn't even include it in my post). She also confirmed what was also discussed in point E).
German did admit she misses “the whole Chicago crew I worked with — and the wonderful fans in Chicago too. Everyone in your town is so great.”
The actress said she considers co-star Monica Raymund “my best girlfriend” and also keeps up with fellow “Chicago Fire” castmates Taylor Kinney and Jesse Spencer “quite a bit.”
“In fact just the other day, Monica asked me that after I wrap [the initial 13 episodes of] ‘Lucifer’ to come over [to Chicago] for a few days and hang out with those guys. So I may do that around the end of February.”
If so, it’s likely German and her “Chicago Fire” pals will make a beeline to the Palm restaurant on East Wacker Drive.
“Taylor and Jesse and I lived in the same building [on the New East Side], and we’d go to the Palm like three times a week. It was so cozy there. We even had our own regular little booth!”
End of update
In regards to the oddities above, I can even imagine that Lauren's agent or agents had a hard time agreeing on a possible contract extension, and because of this, the creators preferred to get rid of the character of Shay. If that was the case, we will never know. However, if the decision-making really took place in the way and according to the criteria as stated in the Matt Olmstead interview, then it can be seen in retrospect that this was an extremely bad decision by the studio and that the writing team made a huge mistake
I am slowly coming to the end of my research, but before that I would like to discuss the mistakes that the writers made in the first part of the third season - perhaps these mistakes could indicate that they were very hasty during the implementation, or that they did not think through at all how to put together such an episode well. When an average viewer saw this episode for the first time, the shock was guaranteed by it (believe me, it HITS HARD), in this way the creators achieved their goal, but it was enough later to think about what happened, and the shock was already replaced by completely legitimate indignation of the viewing public.
Regarding the mistakes, for the sake of fairness, I also have to say that I consider 4 things to be extremely outstanding from the first 2 seasons of the series:
1)
The visual implementation of the series was amazingly fantastic, as if you were watching a 45-minute movie, and it still stands today. I don't know if this changed after the third season, but I assume not, since the series is still active today
2)
Atli Örvarsson's music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ABsDFMJr2E&list=PLXT2pBWM8DxfN4znwe3esSqg4LtBzlQz8
3)
The actors Jesse Spencer, Taylor Kinney, Monica Raymund, Lauren German, Charlie Barnett, David Eigenberg, Eamonn Walker, Joe Minoso, Yuriy Sardarov, Christian Stolte were all fantastic in their roles
4)
The writers did something really brilliant when they built Severide and Shay's relationship. The way these two people moved mountains just out of love as a friend to help the other was simply wonderful. The relationship between the two of them was central to the show, which is why it was so painful and infuriating at the same time that the writers didn't think it was important enough to keep it going after 2 seasons. So I didn't consider the series important enough to continue watching after the third season either, or to start anything else from the One Chicago group.
Mistakes in S03 E01:
Devon's character:

• In the last 2 episodes of the second season, it was revealed that Devon might not be as a bad person as we thought. The writers hinted at the possibility that maybe Shay could finally find her happiness with her. Whether Devon had really changed, whether she was telling the truth, was never revealed after Shay's death.

Shay's death:

• Why didn't the paramedics wear helmets when they entered a potentially dangerous building? In other episodes, the characters paid attention to this, but here they generously forgot about it
• During the first flashback, we saw that they started to treat an injured person. When the explosion occurred and Shay was lying on the ground, the injured person was disappeared.
• The firefighter (played by Preston James Hillier) who ran into the building before the explosion also disappeared
• In the flashback, we saw that Dawson was thrown backwards by the shock wave of the explosion before the ceiling collapsed. Shay, on the other hand, sat still, unaffected by the shock wave
• The firefighting team was in the middle of the explosion, the only injury in comparison was a broken leg. Andy Darden died instantly in the Pilot episode, according to the script, when a house fire started in a similar way.
• Shay's CPR was interrupted to take her to the ambulance. At the same time, the one who could have taken care of her was Dawson, who was next to her, and Shay herself, maybe even Mills, who had a broken leg. So why was it important to take Shay to the ambulance, if not because it gave the scene a dramatic, albeit illogical, ending?
• Several people (e.g. Cruz, Otis) in the episode did not behave like those who recently lost a friend, and this could not be the fault of the actors, but rather of the script. The situation was similarly strange in the Pilot episode after Darden's death
• Shay said that she has a good relationship with her parents, so it's very strange that they didn't apply for Shay's things, but Casey and Severide collected them a month and a half after Shay's death. Not to mention the later invented sister
• When Severide looked at a photo of Shay before playing the video, it can be seen that the creators did not bother to take a real photo, but instead used a screenshot from the first season.
• It's quite unlikely that Dawson would pick up a diary a month and a half later that still had Shay's signature on it, and the signatures were completely different

Again, in the interest of fairness, Severide's flashbacks, Severide and Shay's video were flawless. Just like the gesture of putting Shay's name on the ambulance door in the middle of the season was a great idea from the writers
Final thoughts:
This is how far I've come in my research. Unfortunately, I didn't find any reassuring answers, only strange things. If there was something else in the background why Shay's character had to die, it will probably never be revealed. If the whole truth was told in the Matt Olmstead interview, then in my opinion the creators of Chicago Fire made the biggest mistake of their lives by firing Lauren and letting the Shayveride friendship vanish. Plus, Leslie Shay's character didn't deserve such fate. Anyway, the first 2 seasons were a fantastic experience for me.
Although Lauren couldn't have known it at the time, she was doing very well, because after being unemployed, she auditioned for the role of Chloe Decker in the series Lucifer. Here she joined the team that involved Tom Ellis, Kevin Alejandro, D.B. Woodside, Lesley-Ann Brandt, Rachael Harris, Scarlett Estevez, and later Aimee Garcia, Tricia Helfer, Tom Welling, Inbar Lavi, Rebecca De Mornay, Dennis Haysbert and Brianna Hildebrand. The rest, as they say, is history. Lucifer was the biggest series of 2021 by racking a whopping 18.3 billion minutes of streaming across the year making the series the most-streamed show not just on Netflix, but among the entire crop of streaming originals. Lucifer was voted the best fantasy series of 2021 also, and Lauren German became very, very worldwide-famous.
https://netflixlife.com/2022/01/26/lucifer-best-netflix-show-2021/
After Lucifer ended, Lauren retired from acting, making her last appearance in November 2023 at an event in Chicago, the Heaven and Hell Convention. Here, of course, she was hilarious again, or to put it stylistically, funny as hell, and she simply proved why she was the actress who played Leslie Shay back then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um_hcX4FkfM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzHxlcMqM3
Here are a few links at the end
My favorite fan video commemorating the Shayveride friendship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjS1LmJgCIo
Others have written their opinions before me on the Leslie Shay topic, e.g. a great post
https://www.thetvaddict.com/2014/09/29/did-chicago-fire-kill-off-the-wrong-characte
A little fun
https://www.tiktok.com/@chicagofires/video/7255400196711107886
Still a little fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vZOsrSHql0
Thank you for reading through!
PJ
(this post is free to use and redistribute, but please at least credit the source! Thanks)
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i feel like Tom Elias who play Lucifer and Aimee Garcia who play Ela have a lot of chemestry (a lot more then what lucifer and cloei has i think)
i feel like Aimee is the closest to how Tom is in real life.
so their ending could have been amazing but i feel like it was a hit and miss do you agree ?

putting volume 2 up now, the REAL start to the corner.
just wanted to say if i give these early video low rankings its not to crap on call or the videos, but because later video exceed such quality i want to judge all videos compared to one another.
lets begin.

Amazing new food. Simple recipe invented by me. Please share this life changing tip

https://preview.redd.it/8islzxvfmdzc1.png?width=1562&format=png&auto=webp&s=469f5fcbcd54d2a1e32f2827cfb7e2c1cbcd13d1
Notes:
"absolutely gorgeous"
this food sounds really nice, props cal!
tries to be sly and hint at getting kirsty allsop to collab with him, which even though ot mentioned in this video, i can only guess is for sexual purposes.
thoughts:
again, not the most mindblowing or interesting video, but partially iconic
7/10

Real life account of being bullied

https://preview.redd.it/m36k0grcndzc1.png?width=1314&format=png&auto=webp&s=c850378ad77d8a3e4c2cce8172b827abc050e3ce
Notes:
He looks like a bean
The touchy subject, lighting and slow calm talkingis giving me murdery vibes.
cal talks about being fat, and having "boobs", does this confirm cal is a trans man? perhaps thats why he doesnt want to reveal his nips, so he can hide his transition scars.
the revenge plan is making this sound more murderey
thoughts: another more boring video 6/10

How to cook worlds best luxury flapjacks

https://preview.redd.it/k40lmu6codzc1.png?width=1378&format=png&auto=webp&s=ea14a990eb307dee5fbb68a0b4fe055b6af4d76f
Notes:
He does a silly face and visibly has a hole in his head
https://preview.redd.it/fonl1m4podzc1.png?width=629&format=png&auto=webp&s=2cf26cd633916774fad309e63fb9da59229c1add
thoughts:
again not very substantial, but the food sound lovely
6/10

Me and the music. A beautiful sensual dance I performed last night

https://preview.redd.it/nfc0rtr7pdzc1.png?width=1469&format=png&auto=webp&s=398bb4fd2872f93a7948f5d6a4db99910aeacc6b
Notes:
he shakes his booty for some reason
https://preview.redd.it/pheq8x1cpdzc1.png?width=573&format=png&auto=webp&s=4c41c4c8ba158b23af778402c66eae28049740eb
thoughts:
uh
i-
yikes
i guess you can call it entertaining, even if embarrasing
7/10

I HAD SEX AT LAST!!!!

https://preview.redd.it/k04zdcompdzc1.png?width=1276&format=png&auto=webp&s=4848a9d77a2c7e6bbc472f54717bac60d7e70583
Notes:
his bedroom has a "animal fog" apparently.
despite this being before the tic tac video he still mentions being "facebook famous"
maybe michelle?
yeah he mentions being called tic tac head even though this is a month before that video came out?
thoughts;
pretty funny, again not much to say
7/10

Worlds best biscuit and how it should be eaten

https://preview.redd.it/2bw36v2hqdzc1.png?width=1446&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a447aabc069c81882b62eb2fec7c28609de0b45
Notes:
Once again, food looks lovley.
he sticks out his tongue with the choclate on it, which is... an interesting choice.
thoughts:
yep, its another pre tic tac callum video- BUT it is the first "ayup and welcome to callums corner", so it has a extra half a point
6.5/10

Kanye West is shit, is he a parody act?

https://preview.redd.it/38l187vgrdzc1.png?width=1314&format=png&auto=webp&s=f2f8268d6807b8783d270bebe489728669dafcf5
Notes:
mentions a break up (presumably same girl as the other video0
mentions kanye being black?
harvey price mention
thoughts:
yeah you get the gist
6/10

My sister ate my fart

https://preview.redd.it/b9q9bu8asdzc1.png?width=1414&format=png&auto=webp&s=ac60ed52a300a159f339baf38d0cbe70e305b37c
Notes:
first mention of aimee, callums sister.
his mum is cleaning in the same room
he farted in his sister face, lucky.
thoughts: again not a big deal really, just a simple 5/10, hopefully the next video isnt that import-

MY HEAD DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A SODDING TIC TAC. A FINAL WARNING

https://preview.redd.it/nlle4xnltdzc1.png?width=1153&format=png&auto=webp&s=d0e9b7982cf30df1ac234e7a93ef6c21c568139a
Notes:
first proper angry rant.
first mention of being "6'5"
mentions not liking cats (aged well)
hes very scary
thoughts: iconic, our first great video.
8/10

Reminiscences of the Lucifer Musical Episode
https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/news/lucifer-gets-musical-aimee-garcia-195920688.html

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"All the Way"
I would swear Dawn looks older than she did an episode ago. Makeup? Maybe it's the Hello Kitty shirt.
It's amazing how Spike and Buffy can have actual conversations these days.
Seems like Dawn's over her crush on Xander by this point.
Damn, Amber Tamblyn. Was I ever so young? Don't answer that.
Justin is oddly nice for a vampire. Zack too. I mean, they're evil, but they seem to genuinely want to spend time with Dawn and Janice.
Xander's really a kid...even for someone who's 20-21. He's not nearly emotionally mature enough for marriage.
Oh, Willow.
To the people who think Willow and Tara had sex at this point, they pretty clearly didn't. They just cuddled with their clothes on.
"Offspring"
Holtz is wearing sunglasses in 1771. Why is Holtz wearing sunglasses in 1771? Indoors, no less.
I understand Cordelia being upset with Angel, but her weird solicitude toward Darla, just because she's pregnant, is...weird.
I love Cordy throwing hands once she remembers that Darla is, you know, an evil vampire.
Isn't Sahjhan supposed to be incorporeal? How's he smoking a cigarette?
"Once More, With Feeling"
Okay, let's go. I remember the first time around, I set my VCR for the normal recording time, not knowing that this one would be extra long. That was a bitch. I bitched about it.
I really like "Under Your Spell". I can tell that Amber Benson had vocal training. I was trained myself, so I notice things like how she opens up her mouth the way I was taught to. Actually, I think I was in a voice lesson at the very time this first aired, which would explain why I was taping it.
And I really like the composition and arrangement, especially the percussion. Also, after the relentless sexlessness of Tillow all the way through S5, it's good they get treated like the straight couples finally.
Ah, Hinton Battle. Not even three months gone. He's fantastic here.
Oh, the woman singing to the cop about a parking ticket is Marti Noxon. And David Fury IS Mustard Man.
Wish Michelle would have done a whole song. Whedon said, "She begged me, 'Don't make me sing, I only want to dance.' And so I went out of my way to accommodate that. Again, the more restrictions that are put on a person the more they already have their work done for them." That's a cool way of looking at it. I've had a similar thought about RPG video games; when all my characters can do the same things, it doesn't matter which ones are in my party, and that's boring. Give me limits. Force me to make choices.
Dawn/Sweet dance is great.
Ah, Tony. No wonder he's Murray Head's brother. And does anyone feel a Jesus Christ Superstar influence here? I'd certainly be surprised if Whedon wasn't very familiar with it.
Gut punch for the Scoobies.
Even knowing what Willow did, Tara still comforts her.
"Quickening"
Lovely place to work, Wolfram & Hart, where you sign paperwork with your own blood.
I really feel like the writers had Wolfram & Hart lose video while Holtz killed a whole-ass SWAT team with nothing but a sword because there was no non-stupid way to actually show it convincingly.
"Tabula Rasa"
Makes me chuckle when Buffy claims she will never, ever, absolutely one hundred percent for sure, not in a million years touch Spike again. If you recall, end of the next episode is when they fuck for the first time.
Teeth doesn't seem like such a bad guy. Except he possibly eats kittens. But he seems uninterested in fighting Buffy once Spike splits.
Oh, Willow. AGAIN. She had a pass. All she had to do was stop. For one week.
Buffy and Dawn are so sweet together when they've lost their memories.
"Goodbye to You" is maybe my favorite song ever on the show.
"Lullaby"
I may have sold Keith Szarabajka short as an actor. The flashback to his daughter, her having been turned into a vampire, it's brutal.
But Holtz sucks still. I do appreciate the exploration of Angel's guilt and how he navigates accepting someone's hate for what Angelus did while not giving them a blank check for their revenge.
Holtz is pretty okay with killing humans. And poor Lorne. He just wanted to reopen Caritas, and this asshole comes along and blows it up.
Fuck, the triplet babies who played Connor will be 23 this year. I really hate time.
"Smashed"
I assumed Warren and/or Jonathan were lowering Andrew through the museum's skylight, because that seems like something for which you'd need someone to spot you, but then they walk in through the door. So how was Andrew doing it?
It still bums me out that Amy went evil.
Makes me smile, Buffy hopping to see over the crowd of people at the museum. She's a pocket-sized Slayer.
It doesn't escape my notice that Buffy actually apologizes to Spike, recognizing that it wasn't right to toy with his feelings by kissing him.
And then when he thinks the chip's stopped working, he goes and tries to kill someone.
I'm glad to see that Tara and Dawn had their day together right after "Tabula Rasa", when Dawn understandably felt abandoned and turned away from Tara. I wasn't too clear on the timeline, so it's good that it was just a brief blip.
Considering that he genuinely loves Buffy, Spike's way too keen to have there be something wrong with her. He wants to drag her down into the muck with him instead of being someone who deserves her. His love just can't be good for her. It's destructive.
Really ugly scene at the Bronze. Screwing with those two assholes was one thing, but Willow and Amy are using people as toys for their own amusement.
Okay, I'm not a Spuffy shipper, but the all-out brawl to filthy, dirty hate-fucking a building down is hot.
"Wrecked"
I call bullshit on Buffy saying Spike was just "convenient". If she was so horny that any old body would do, she could have just picked a guy up at the Bronze and given him the ride of his life. She didn't do that because she didn't want to. She fucked Spike because she did want to.
Well, it's good that Spike's the giving kind in bed. Or in abandoned, crumbling building, whatever. Some guys are squeamish about that.
For a second, I thought the necklaces Buffy was wearing were marks in her skin from the previous night.
I didn't remember Buffy being so desperate to believe that she doesn't have a problem that she's in denial about Willow having a problem.
Peanut butter and banana quesadillas sounds good...unless it has cheese in it, given that, you know, quesa means cheese. I found a recipe via the magic of Google, and it doesn't use cheese, but with Dawn, you know...clearly the monks made her taste buds wrong. She likes anchovies, FFS.
Huh. She hated the quesadilla. There is a bottom for her taste buds.
Amy's character progression just doesn't feel right to me. For one thing, her magic seems way more advanced than before she became a rat. I mean, the very last spell she cast was to transmogrify herself, and she had to recite the incantation out loud, right? Now she makes things happen by just pointing, like Willow, which also is something I find a little too much.
And three years as a rat supposedly left her unstable, but it didn't seem like three years to her. She thought it had been weeks at most.
Sadly, this isn't the lowest Willow's going to get.
"Dad"
Angel's such a good dad.
Justine seems an oversight by the AI team. She's been hunting vampires solo for months. If they'd been paying attention, they could have made contact, maybe made an ally of her. There is the question of whether she could accept the idea of a good vampire, but they could have tried. And we know there are others like her who Holtz is going to recruit. AI is just really not on the stick here, and Holtz exploits that.
Justine isn't a very good character. I do like Laurel Holloman, though.
I love the big reveal. I knew it was coming this time, but still. Heartwarming that the team pulled the whole trick off because Angel trusted them with Connor. And to see Cordelia holding him, because Angel trusted her above all others. His oldest friend.
"Gone"
I'm getting homophobic vibes from Doris the social worker. It's the way she asks, "You live here with another woman?"
The nerds wanna turn invisible...so they can spy on naked women. I realize I'm old AF, but even back then, there was ample free internet porn. Creeps. Jonathan is only marginally better than Andrew, and I'm not really sorry he died.
You'd think Spike would smell that the invisible being in his crypt is Buffy.
Xander is so, so stupid for not realizing that Buffy and Spike were fucking.
James did a rather poor job with the physicality of acting with an invisible Buffy. When he grabs her shoulders, apparently she's as tall as him.
It's good to see Willow remember that she has brains and doesn't need magic for everything.
Buffy's hair is adorable.
"Birthday"
I've been looking forward to this one. It's a classic, and a major step for Cordy.
Hmm, this episode aired January 14. So is Cordelia like five days older than Buffy? Must be her 21st birthday as well.
I wonder, if Cordelia had gone with Gunn and Fred to her apartment, would Phantom Dennis have been able to see her?
Fuuuuuuuck, the back of Tammy's head is hard to look at. That's nasty.
I'd take the offer of being rich and famous. Screw the helpless.
Holy shit, Aimee Garcia!
Did Doyle smooch Angel in this timeline?

And I don’t mean like picking another actor outside of the show, I mean picking one of the actors that’s already in the show and having them play a different character.
Like for example Aimee Garcia could play Mazikeen instead of Ella, or Lesley Ann-Brandt can be Linda Martin

During a "Fireside Chat with Dawson & Shay" promo spot for episode 1x03 where the paramedics encounter a snake, Monica confesses her terror shooting the scene and Lauren cracks up, "sympathizes" and then pranks her bad (starting at 2:24):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn3mnykxaYA
God, I loved Shay!
On set for "Lucifer!", Aimee Garcia described Lauren as a "ninja prankster", which fits this clip perfectly.

Just for context, in this specific post:
X = Gen X
Y = Cusp
M = Millennial
This is a repost from the original (which was an extension of the very original post here) that I did a few years back, just to be updated for 2024 because I thought it'd be to fun to explore this again.
But I will exclude the 1984-1985 list because that'd be way too long. I'll add them in the comment sections. So in this post, I'll focus on the celebrities born from 1977-1983.
I know the vast majority of this sub will disagree but I'll post it anyway.
This is based on the vibes and/or appearance of the celebrity so please don't take this too seriously as this may or may not be accurate, depending on one's view of Gen X and Millennials.
This is based on my current perception of these celebrities.

WARNING: THIS POST WILL BE SUPER LONG!!! DISCRETION ADVISED!!!!!! 

1977

https://www.famousbirthdays.com/yea1977.html

1. Kanye West, 46, Rapper - Y
2. John Cena, 46, Wrestler - X
3. Shakira, 47, Pop Singer - X
4. Tom Brady, 46, Football Player - X
5. Gerard Way, 46, Rock Singer - Y
6. Jerry Trainor, 47, TV Actor - X
7. Thinknoodles, 46, YouTube Star - X
8. Christi Lukasiak, 47, Reality Star - X
9. Daddy Yankee, 47, Reggaeton Singer - Y
10. Orlando Bloom, 47, Movie Actor - Y
11. Brittany Murphy (1977-2009), Movie Actress - Y
12. Ludacris, 46, Rapper - X
13. Rhett McLaughlin, 46, YouTube Star - M
14. Tula Rodríguez, 46, TV Actress - Y
15. Chris Martin, 47, Pop Singer - Y
16. Tom Hardy, 46, Movie Actor - Y
17. John Mayer, 46, Rock Singer - Y
18. Floyd Mayweather Jr., 47, Boxer - X
19. Psy, 46, Pop Singer - Y
20. Brock Lesnar, 46, Wrestler - X
21. Jason Aldean, 47, Country Singer - X
22. Milo Ventimiglia, 46, TV Actor - Y
23. King Ali, 47, Snapchat Star - M
24. 2 Chainz, 46, Rapper - X
25. Tamar Braxton, 47, R&B Singer - X
26. AJ Styles, 46, Wrestler - X
27. Raina Telgemeier, 46, Cartoonist - Y
28. Dave Portnoy, 47, Entrepreneur - Y
29. Liv Tyler, 46, Movie Actress - X
30. Robin Thicke, 47, R&B Singer - Y
31. Fiona Apple, 46, Rock Singer - X
32. Jason Earles, 46, TV Actor - Y
33. Sarah Michelle Gellar, 46, TV Actress - X
34. Jeff Hardy, 46, Wrestler - X
35. Tom Welling, 46, TV Actor - Y
36. Rob Jensen, 46, YouTube Star - X
37. Jessica Chastain, 47, Movie Actress - X
38. Donald Trump Jr., 46, Business Executive - X
39. Bhushan Kumar, 46, Film Producer - X
40. Lana Parrilla, 46, TV Actress - X
41. Kerry Washington, 47, Movie Actress - X
42. Matt Bomer, 46, TV Actor - Y
43. Varli Singh, 46, TikTok Star - X
44. Papa Bee, 46, YouTube Star - Y
45. Vince Carter, 47, Basketball Player - X
46. Jeezy, 46, Rapper - X
47. Mrs Netta, 46, TikTok Star - X
48. Buddy Valastro, 47, Chef - X

1978

https://www.famousbirthdays.com/yea1978.html

1. Kobe Bryant (1978-2020), Basketball Player - X
2. Ian Somerhalder, 45, TV Actor - M
3. Usher, 45, R&B Singer - Y
4. Tia Mowry, 45, TV Actress - X
5. Rachel McAdams, 45, Movie Actress - Y
6. Jensen Ackles, 46, TV Actor - Y
7. James Corden, 45, Comedian - Y
8. Andy Samberg, 45, TV Actor - M
9. John Legend, 45, R&B Singer - X
10. James Franco, 45, Movie Actor - X
11. Scott Cawthon, 45, Game Designer - X
12. Jillzfoodz, 45, TikTok Star - X
13. Zoe Saldaña, 45, Movie Actress - X
14. Ashton Kutcher, 46, TV Actor - X
15. Link Neal, 45, YouTube Star - M
16. Nicole Scherzinger, 45, Pop Singer - Y
17. CM Punk, 45, Wrestler - X
18. Alesha Dixon, 45, Rapper - X
19. Nelly Furtado, 45, Pop Singer - X
20. Roly May, 45, TikTok Star - X
21. Luis Fonsi, 45, Pop Singer - Y
22. Evan Britton, 45, Entrepreneur - X
23. Tamera Mowry, 45, TV Actress - X
24. Anthony Mackie, 45, Movie Actor - Y
25. Mike Vitar, 45, Movie Actor - X
26. Katherine Heigl, 45, Movie Actress - X
27. Katie Price, 45, Model - X
28. Tom Ellis, 45, TV Actor - Y
29. Kel Mitchell, 45, TV Actor - Y
30. AJ Cook, 45, TV Actress - X
31. Mandana Mani, 46, Fashion Designer - M
32. Kenan Thompson, 45, TV Actor - Y
33. London Charles, 46, Reality Star - X
34. Christian Coulson, 45, Movie Actor - M
35. Bill Hader, 45, TV Actor - X
36. Tyrese Gibson, 45, R&B Singer - X
37. Judith Barsi (1978-1988), Voice Actress - X
38. Michelle Rodriguez, 45, Movie Actress - X
39. Perez Hilton, 46, Blogger - Y
40. Chris Stapleton, 45, Country Singer - X
41. Manny Pacquiao, 45, Boxer - X
42. Dianna Williams, 45, Reality Star - Y
43. Katie Holmes, 45, TV Actress - X
44. Roger Clark, 45, TV Actor - X
45. Diplo, 45, DJ - M
46. Justin Long, 45, Movie Actor - Y
47. Joanna Gaines, 45, Reality Star - X
48. Ginnifer Goodwin, 45, TV Actress - M

1979

https://www.famousbirthdays.com/yea1979.html

1. Kourtney Kardashian, 44, Reality Star - Y
2. Kevin Hart, 44, Comedian - Y
3. Pink, 44, Pop Singer - Y
4. Aaliyah (1979-2001), R&B Singer - X
5. Heath Ledger (1979-2008), Movie Actor - X
6. Chris Pratt, 44, Movie Actor - Y
7. Adam Levine, 45, Pop Singer - Y
8. Jason Momoa, 44, Movie Actor - X
9. Cooper Barnes, 44, TV Actor - Y
10. FGTeeV Mom, 44, YouTube Star - M
11. Sheri Nicole, 44, TikTok Star - X
12. Ne-Yo, 44, R&B Singer - Y
13. John Krasinski, 44, TV Actor - X
14. Flo Rida, 44, Rapper - Y
15. Oscar Isaac, 45, Movie Actor - X
16. Brandy, 45, R&B Singer - X
17. Notch, 44, Game Designer - Y
18. Kate Hudson, 44, Movie Actress - Y
19. Mindy McKnight, 44, YouTube Star - M
20. Tiffany Haddish, 44, Comedian - X
21. Pete Wentz, 44, Bassist - M
22. June Shannon, 44, Reality Star - X
23. James McAvoy, 44, Movie Actor - X
24. Caroline Flack (1979-2020), TV Show Host - Y
25. Aaron Paul, 44, TV Actor - M
26. Jawed Karim, 44, Entrepreneur - Y
27. Monique Carrillo, 44, Business Executive - Y
28. Mama Bee, 44, YouTube Star - Y
29. The Game, 44, Rapper - X
30. Rider Strong, 44, TV Actor - X
31. Jennifer Love Hewitt, 45, Movie Actress - X
32. Jennifer Morrison, 44, TV Actress - X
33. Sophie Ellis-Bextor, 44, Pop Singer - M
34. Lecrae Moore, 44, Rapper - M
35. Lamar Odom, 44, Basketball Player - Y
36. Mark Goldbridge, 45, YouTube Star - M
37. Rose Byrne, 44, Movie Actress - X
38. Colleen Hoover, 44, Novelist - X
39. Kimi Raikkonen, 44, Race Car Driver - X
40. Drew Brees, 45, Football Player - X
41. Bianca Lawson, 45, TV Actress - Y
42. Joe Gorga, 44, Reality Star - X
43. Walker Hayes, 44, Country Singer - Y
44. Luke Evans, 44, Movie Actor - Y
45. Juan Pablo Di Pace, 44, TV Actor - X
46. Adam Brody, 44, TV Actor - M
47. Kelis, 44, R&B Singer - X
48. Natasha Lyonne, 45, Movie Actress - X

1980

https://www.famousbirthdays.com/yea1980.html

1. Kim Kardashian, 43, Reality Star - M
2. Brooke Norris, 44, YouTube Star - Y
3. Ryan Gosling, 43, Movie Actor - Y
4. Matt Slays, 43, YouTube Star - M
5. Nick Cannon, 43, TV Actor - Y
6. Matthew Gray Gubler, 44, TV Actor - Y
7. Channing Tatum, 43, Movie Actor - Y
8. Jake Gyllenhaal, 43, Movie Actor - X
9. Mark Rober, 44, YouTube Star - M
10. Christina Aguilera, 43, Pop Singer - Y
11. Lin-Manuel Miranda, 44, Stage Actor - Y
12. Rebel Wilson, 44, Movie Actress - Y
13. Jonathan Saccone-Joly, 44, YouTube Star - Y
14. Katie LeBlanc, 43, Family Member - Y
15. Randy Orton, 44, Wrestler - X
16. Gucci Mane, 44, Rapper - Y
17. Ronaldinho, 44, Soccer Player - Y
18. Macaulay Culkin, 43, Movie Actor - Y
19. T.I., 43, Rapper - Y
20. Billy LeBlanc, 44, YouTube Star - Y
21. Kristen Bell, 43, TV Actress - Y
22. Gisele Bündchen, 43, Model - X
23. Theo Von, 44, Comedian - Y
24. Shay Carl Butler, 44, YouTube Star - M
25. Chris Pine, 43, Movie Actor - X
26. Ashanti, 43, R&B Singer - X
27. Richie McCaw, 43, Rugby Player - Y
28. Jason Coffee, 43, TikTok Star - M
29. Rishi Sunak, 43, Politician - X
30. Zooey Deschanel, 44, TV Actress - M
31. Monica Arnold, 43, R&B Singer - X
32. Jenna Dewan, 43, Movie Actress - Y
33. The Miz, 43, Wrestler - Y
34. Olivia Munn, 43, TV Actress - Y
35. Gotye, 43, Rock Singer - M
36. Pauly D, 43, DJ - M
37. Ben Savage, 43, TV Actor - Y
38. Mikey Way, 43, Bassist - Y
39. Bernice Burgos, 43, Instagram Star - M
40. Jessica Simpson, 43, Pop Singer - X
41. Remy Ma, 43, Rapper - X
42. Venus Williams, 43, Tennis Player - X
43. Grant Thompson (1980-2019), YouTube Star - Y
44. Corey Gamble, 43, Reality Star - X
45. Mikey Day, 44, TV Actor - X
46. Swoozie, 43, YouTube Star - M
47. Christina Ricci, 44, Movie Actress - X
48. dodgerfilms, 43, YouTube Star - Y

1981

https://www.famousbirthdays.com/yea1981.html

1. Beyoncé, 42, Pop Singer - Y
2. Britney Spears, 42, Pop Singer - Y
3. Adriana Lima, 42, Model - M
4. Chris Evans, 42, Movie Actor - Y
5. Justin Timberlake, 43, Pop Singer - Y
6. Paris Hilton, 43, Reality Star - M
7. Alicia Keys, 43, R&B Singer - Y
8. Ray William Johnson, 42, YouTube Star - M
9. Tom Hiddleston, 43, Movie Actor - X
10. Hayden Christensen, 42, Movie Actor - Y
11. Meghan Markle, 42, Duchess - Y
12. Keyshia Cole, 42, R&B Singer - X
13. Natalie Portman, 42, Movie Actress - Y
14. Jessica Alba, 42, Movie Actress - Y
15. Pitbull, 43, Rapper - Y
16. Joseph Morgan, 42, TV Actor - Y
17. Alexis Bledel, 42, TV Actress - Y
18. Chad Michael Murray, 42, TV Actor - M
19. Serena Williams, 42, Tennis Player - Y
20. Romeo Santos, 42, World Music Singer - Y
21. Zlatan Ibrahimovic, 42, Soccer Player - M
22. Casey Neistat, 43, YouTube Star - M
23. Kira Girard, 42, Reality Star - M
24. Kelly Rowland, 43, Pop Singer - Y
25. Rami Malek, 42, TV Actor - M
26. Jennifer Hudson, 42, Pop Singer - Y
27. Tiffany Rockelle, 43, Family Member - Y
28. Ray J, 43, R&B Singer - Y
29. Stephen Amell, 42, TV Actor - Y
30. Jesse Williams, 42, TV Actor - Y
31. Rachel Platten, 42, Pop Singer - X
32. Ben Barnes, 42, Movie Actor - Y
33. Danielle Fishel, 42, TV Actress - Y
34. Coyote Peterson, 42, TV Show Host - X
35. Finn Bálor, 42, Wrestler - M
36. Stephanie Beatriz, 43, TV Actress - Y
37. Elijah Wood, 43, Movie Actor - M
38. Ivanka Trump, 42, Business Executive - Y
39. Fernando Alonso, 42, Race Car Driver - X
40. Frank Iero, 42, Guitarist - Y
41. Tiania Haneline, 42, TikTok Star - Y
42. Nicky Jam, 43, Reggaeton Singer - Y
43. Natasha Bedingfield, 42, Pop Singer - X
44. Joseph Gordon-Levitt, 43, Movie Actor - Y
45. Amy Schumer, 42, Comedian - Y
46. Mehran Rowshan, 42, Soccer Coach - X
47. Guy Sebastian, 42, R&B Singer - M
48. Julia Stiles, 43, Movie Actress - Y

1982

https://www.famousbirthdays.com/yea1982.html

1. Nicki Minaj, 41, Rapper - M
2. Rebecca Zamolo, 41, YouTube Star - M
3. Kate Middleton, 42, Princess - Y
4. Paul Wesley, 41, TV Actor - M
5. Lil Wayne, 41, Rapper - Y
6. Anne Hathaway, 41, Movie Actress - M
7. Sebastian Stan, 41, Movie Actor - Y
8. Keemstar, 42, YouTube Star - M
9. Kelly Clarkson, 41, Pop Singer - Y
10. William, Prince of Wales, 41, Prince - Y
11. Priyanka Chopra, 41, Movie Actress - M
12. David Dallas, 41, Rapper - M
13. Jared Padalecki, 41, TV Actor - Y
14. Tati Westbrook, 42, YouTube Star - M
15. Jodie Sweetin, 42, TV Actress - X
16. Ong Squad, 42, TikTok Star - M
17. Lil Boosie, 41, Rapper - X
18. Cory Monteith (1982-2013), TV Actor - M
19. Ty Dolla Sign, 41, R&B Singer - M
20. Vanessa Bryant, 41, Model - Y
21. Ms. Rachel, 41, YouTube Star - M
22. Natalie Dormer, 42, TV Actress - M
23. Dwyane Wade, 42, Basketball Player - Y
24. Sophia Bush, 41, TV Actress - Y
25. Spice, 41, Reggae Singer - M
26. Kirsten Dunst, 41, Movie Actress - Y
27. Jamie Dornan, 41, Movie Actor - Y
28. Jesse Wellens, 41, YouTube Star - M
29. Matt Smith, 41, TV Actor - Y
30. Misty Copeland, 41, Dancer - M
31. Kaká, 41, Soccer Player - M
32. DaddyOFive, 41, YouTube Star - X
33. Seth Rogen, 41, Movie Actor - Y
34. Daveed Diggs, 42, Rapper - Y
35. Chyler Leigh, 41, TV Actress - Y
36. Adam Lambert, 42, Pop Singer - M
37. K Michelle, 42, R&B Singer - X
38. Jeddah Navalua, 42, YouTube Star - Y
39. Billy Wingrove, 41, Soccer Player - M
40. Eddie Redmayne, 42, Movie Actor - Y
41. Pornsak, 42, TV Show Host - M
42. John Mulaney, 41, Comedian - Y
43. DeStorm Power, 42, Pop Singer - M
44. Rachel Bennett, 41, YouTube Star - M
45. LeAnn Rimes, 41, Country Singer - X
46. Sexy Star, 41, Wrestler - M
47. Stephen Boss (1982-2022), Dancer - Y
48. Yandy Smith, 42, Reality Star - Y

1983

https://www.famousbirthdays.com/yea1983.html

1. Chris Hemsworth, 40, Movie Actor - Y
2. Amy Winehouse (1983-2011), Soul Singer - X
3. Andrew Garfield, 40, Movie Actor - M
4. Roman Atwood, 40, YouTube Star - M
5. Future, 40, Rapper - M
6. Mila Kunis, 40, Movie Actress - Y
7. Henry Cavill, 40, Movie Actor - Y
8. Carrie Underwood, 41, Country Singer - Y
9. Donald Glover, 40, TV Actor - M
10. Nikki Garcia, 40, Wrestler - M
11. jeenie.weenie, 40, TikTok Star - M
12. Emily Blunt, 41, Movie Actress - Y
13. Scott Disick, 40, Reality Star - M
14. Frankie Grande, 41, YouTube Star - M
15. Amber Rose, 40, Model - M
16. Lupita Nyong'o, 41, Movie Actress - M
17. Brie Bella, 40, Wrestler - M
18. Aaron Rodgers, 40, Football Player - M
19. Macklemore, 40, Rapper - M
20. Vic Fuentes, 41, Rock Singer - M
21. Kendra Johnston, 40, YouTube Star - Y
22. Stacy Hinojosa, 40, YouTube Star - M
23. Cheryl Ann Tweedy, 40, Pop Singer - Y
24. Zoe Perry, 40, TV Actress - X
25. Adam Driver, 40, Movie Actor - M
26. Miranda Lambert, 40, Country Singer - Y
27. Dani Alves, 40, Soccer Player - Y
28. Summer Rae, 40, Wrestler - M
29. Ronnie Radke, 40, Rock Singer - M
30. Jonah Hill, 40, Movie Actor - M
31. Camilla Luddington, 40, TV Actress - Y
32. Huda Kattan, 40, Instagram Star - M
33. Steven Yeun, 40, TV Actor - M
34. Adam DeVine, 40, TV Actor - M
35. José Bae, 41, TikTok Star - M
36. Danielle Busby, 40, Reality Star - Y
37. Adam22, 40, Podcast Host - M
38. Katrina Kaif, 40, Movie Actress - Y
39. Rebecca Ferguson, 40, Movie Actress - Y
40. Nancy Ajram, 40, Pop Singer - Y
41. Jessica Ballinger, 41, Instagram Star - M
42. Nathaniel Buzolic, 40, TV Actor - M
43. Greta Gerwig, 40, Movie Actress - Y
44. Darren Fizz, 40, YouTube Star - Y
45. Loreen, 40, Pop Singer - M
46. Jeana Smith, 41, YouTube Star - M
47. Peachy Queen, 41, TikTok Star - M
48. Ashley Johnson, 40, TV Actress - Y

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Just finished watching the series on Peacock and couldn’t understand why they added Aimee Garcia to the cast when she barely had screen time in the final season. It’s like, they decided to just add her in just to replace Carmen but somehow, couldn’t find anything useful in her role. I think the show was better off just writing off Carmen and letting it be. Didn’t make sense to add Aimee in. Anyone agree?
And by the way, the whole Max ogling over her was kinda gross, IMHO. I mean, she’s his cousin, for goodness sake!