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2024.05.01 21:26 Informal_Patience821 Songs of Solomon: Prophecies of Muhammad, Moses, and Jesus (in Ch. 1, 5 & 6) - Refuting the Christian Blasphemous "SoNgS oF SoLoMoN aRe ErOtIc StOrIeS" Excuse
Heb: נְשִׁיקוּת (f.)Also:
"(preced.) attachment, love. Cant. R. to I, 2 יוציא לי קול נ׳ וכ׳ may He issue forth unto me the voice of attachment."
Heb: נְשִׁיקָה f. (b. h.; נָשַׁק) 1) kissing, kiss. Gen. R. s. 70; Ex. R. s. 5, a. e. נ׳ של גדולה the kiss of homage; נ׳ של פרקים the kiss of meeting again; נ׳ של פרישות the kiss of parting; נ׳ של קריבות the kissing of relations. Deut. R. s. 11, end ונטל … בנְשִׁיקַת פה and took his (Moses’) soul with a kiss of the mouth. B. Bath. 17ᵃ מרים נמי בנ׳ מתה Miriam, likewise, died with a (divine) kiss (without agony); M. Kat. 28ᵃ. Ber. 8ᵃ נ׳ דמיא וכ׳ death without agony is like taking &c., v. בִּינְתָא II; a. fr.—Pl. נְשִׁיקוֹת. Ex. R. l. c. Cant. R. to I, 2 מה"ש אמרוהו יתן לנו מנ׳ וכ׳ the ministering angels said the verse, ‘May he give us of those kisses which he gave to his sons’ (at Mount Sinai). Ib. בסיני נאמרה יוציא לנו נ׳ מתוך פיהו at Mount Sinai the verse was said (by the Israelites), ‘May he let kisses go forth to us out of his mouth’; a. e. —2)Source: Both excerpts are from Jastrow's classical Hebrew dictionary.
"Your name is like oil poured forth: Your name is like fine oil, poured from one vessel into another. The seventy names are emanated from the seven sefirot. tiferet and the Crown are for Israel, the singular people, for Israel nurse from the trunk of the tree, tiferet and Crown, all joined as one. But its aroma travels a great distance. So too Your name increases and is poured forth as pure light to shekhinah, which is contained and sealed into all. Counting her they are seventy-two. This is the meaning of “therefore the maidens love you.”Now that we know what the first part of the verse means, let's see what the actual definition of Moses' name is in Hebrew, according to Jews themselves:
"The first and most obvious is the definition of Moses, draw out of water. Pharaoh’s daughter indeed drew Moses out of water, the waters of the Nile. She drew him out of the one of the most significant gods of Egypt, Hepi a fertility god who was the god of the annual flooding of the Nile. The flood deposited fertile soil on the river banks. Why was Pharaoh’s daughter’s at the Nile? It says in Exodus 2:5 that she came to wash herself or to bathe. Bathe in the sacred waters, not likely, especially a daughter of Pharaoh who took luxurious baths in tubs filled with all sorts of fragrances like myrrh and frankincense. The word used in Hebrew here for washing or bathing is rachats which means to pour water upon yourself. "Source: https://www.chaimbentorah.com/2018/04/hebrew-word-study-moses/
"Then take the anointing oil and anoint him by pouring it on his head." (Exodus 29:7)Another notable event involving Moses is the anointing of the Tabernacle and its furnishings. Exodus 40:9-11 directs Moses to anoint the Tabernacle and all its contents with oil:
"Then take the anointing oil and anoint the tabernacle and everything in it; consecrate it and all its furnishings, and it will be holy."
"Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee."My translation:
"Pull me along with you1, we will desire the king to bring me his chambers, we will rejoice in Baka2, we will remember your love, my Egyptian3, my beloved."Explanations:
The Codex Sinaiticus:It's worth noting that Google's speech recognition and search algorithms have trouble processing this word for some reason, often substituting "βοώσιν" instead of "βοωϲιν." It can just be that this specific word is a very ancient word and is not recognized, but I doubt it because it is refusing to even pronounce it, and Google even forcefully changes it into "βοώσιν" in its search results.
"βοωϲιν το ονομα τηϲ νυμ"
"Black am I, yet lovely, daughters of Jerusalem, dark like the tents of Kedar, like the tent curtains of Solomon."Zipporah, the wife of Moses, was a woman of black ethnicity from Ethiopia. She resided in Arabia, where the tents of Kedar were situated.
“And why worry about your clothing? Look at the lilies of the field and how they grow. They don’t work or make their clothing, yet Solomon in all his glory was not dressed as beautifully as they are.Jesus is referred to as a shepherd in the gospels, and here he is described as browsing in the garden shepherding his flock among the lilies. He also explicitly refers to Solomon for some remarkable reason, and it is only now that we can clearly see why he mentioned Solomon: To quite literally refer back to Songs of Solomon ch. 6 because it was prophesying him and his mother. Can't get any clearer than this.
Luke 15:3-7: "Then Jesus told them this parable: “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it?"He says "...go after the lost sheep until he finds it?" precisely mirroring the verse in SoS 6:6: "like a flock of sheep coming up from the washing. Each has its twin, not one of them is missing"
2 - a. complete, morally innocent, having integrityVerse 11: "I went down to the grove of nut trees to look at the new growth in the valley, to see if the vines had budded or the pomegranates were in bloom."
Source: מקור: Open Scriptures on GitHub
Creator: יוצר: Based on the work of Larry Pierce at the Online Bible
"And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, 'Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten.' But he called her from below her, 'Do not grieve; your Lord has provided beneath you a stream. And shake toward you the trunk of the palm tree; it will drop upon you ripe, fresh dates. So eat and drink and be contented. And if you see from among humanity anyone, say, 'Indeed, I have vowed to the Most Merciful abstention, so I will not speak today to [any] man.'" (Quran 19:22-26)"Nakhal" (palm tree): The verse in Songs of Solomon uses the same word "Nachal" in Hebrew, and it means the same thing according to Hebrew dictionaries:
n.[m.] perhaps palm-tree (Arabic نَخْلٌ, n. unit. نَخْلَةٌ; v. PerlesJQ, July, 1899, 688);— only pl. abs., כִּנְחָלִים נִטָּ֑יוּ Nu 24:6 like palm-trees, which are stretched out, spread out (as to foliage). So Perlesl.c., who compares כערבי נחל Ecclus 50:12, 𝔊 ὡς στελέχη φοινίκων.This verse is narrating the same story the Quran was narrating about Mary retreating to a far place unto a Palm-tree. We've had a lot of Christians critiquing the Qur'an for "taking" from apocrypha, yet here we see the same thing being said in the actual Bible.
Source: מקור: BDB Dictionary
Creator: יוצר: F. Brown, S. Driver & C. Briggs
Codex Sinaiticus:Source: Click Here
"12 η νυμφη ταδε προϲ τον νυμφιον εκει δωϲω τουϲ μαϲτουϲ μου ϲοι ουκ εγνω ψυχη μου εθετο με · αρματα αμιναδαβ"
"There I will give you my breasts, my soul did not know it placed me in the chariots of Amminadab."The phrase "There I will give you my breasts" signifies nursing, i.e., as a mother would nurse her child.
"His mouth is sweetness itself; in his entirety, Muhammadim. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem." (Songs of Solomon 5:16)
Phrase: מַֽחֲמַדִּ֑יםThe sudden use of the plural form in the verse has a purpose: to emphasize that this is a formal name, not a noun, verb, or any other grammatical form. If interpreted as a noun, the verse would contain a significant grammatical error.
Noun - masculine plural
"He is altogether lovelinesses"These sentences do not work grammatically. The only way to maintain the verse's grammatical accuracy is to interpret "Maḥammadim" as a formal foreign name with the Hebrew plural of majesty, as found in names like "Eliakim" or "Elohim."
"He is all, beauties"
"And afterward We inspired thee (Muhammad, saying): Follow the religion of Abraham, as one by nature upright. He was not of the idolaters." (The Holy Quran - "The Bee" - 16:123)And:
"And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Nay, but (we follow) the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters." (-''-, "The Heifer" - 2:135)Islam is the Religion of Abraham, given the name "Islam" by God Himself. It is not a new or novice faith from ancient Arabia but rather the continuation and culmination of the monotheistic tradition established by our father Abraham.
שוקיו עמודי שש מיסדים על־אדני־פז מראהו כלבנון בחור כארזים:The first word in this verse is:
"His desired one, Amudi!"And in the next verse, namely v.16 says:
"And in his entirety, Muhammadim!"It kind of makes sense now that it says "AND in his entirety" and then a mention of his full formal name, after having mentioned him by his nickname. The pillars that are referenced later in the verse are described as being six in number, specifically "Six pillars of gold." This could potentially be a reference to the six pillars or columns that are located inside the Rawdah (Riaz ul Jannah) in "Masjid Nabawi" (The Prophet's Mosque) in Medina. These pillars hold special historical significance for Muslims and are adorned with gold.
Root: שׁקק ᴵᴵ to desire. (— Qal)he desired (a hapax legomenon in the Bible, occurring Ps. 107:9). (— Hithpol.)he yearned, longed, desired. [Related to base שׁוק ᴵᴵᴵ.]Derivatives: שֶׁקֶק ᴵᴵ, שִׁקּוּק ᴵᴵ, שֽׁקִיקָה ᴵᴵ, הִשֽׁתּוֹקֽקוּת, שֽׁקִיקוּת, שׁוֹקֵק ᴵᴵ. Source: מקור: Klein Dictionary Creator: יוצר: Ezra Klein
John 14:15-18:While I am not an expert in Greek, the fact that the world cannot accept him could imply that they would reject his message, and that they do not see him could mean they do not believe in his message. It does not have to refer to an invisible Spirit.
"If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you (ἔρχομαι)."
Matthew 3:11 (NIV):Here, it is clear that John the Baptist is referring to another human being who will come after him because he mentions his sandals (Holy Ghost doesn't wear sandals, as far as we know). This individual will perform a different kind of baptism—with the Holy Spirit and fire. The Holy Spirit is identified as Gabriel, and the "Fire" in this context refers to the verse from Deuteronomy 33:
"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes (ἐρχόμενος - erchomenos) one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."
"He said, “The LORD came from Sinai, And dawned on them from Seir; He shone forth from Mount Paran, And He came from among ten thousand holy ones; At His right hand was a flaming fire, a law, for them." (Deuteronomy 33:2)The fire is this fiery Law that is mentioned here.
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.' But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, 'this is evident sorcery!'" (61:6)Additionally:
"Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds: the Spirit of Truth has brought it down [i.e. brought down the Quran] upon your heart, so that you become one of the warners, in plain Arabic language. And indeed, it is surely in the former Scriptures. Is it not a Sign for them that the scholars of the Children of Israel have recognized it?" (26:193-197)The Quran directly claims that this prophecy is found in the former Scriptures and that the scholars of the Children of Israel have recognized it, and here (in this post) you are clearly seeing parallels before your very own eyes.
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’ 41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ 44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”This "Son of man" prophecy in Matthew 25:31-44 is not referring to Jesus, even though he did use this term to describe himself. This passage is about another "Son of man," as Jesus was not a king. This was about the prophet from Arabia:
13 The burden against Arabia.The sole instance of Kedar's glory waning and ultimately falling was through the prophet Muhammad. This prophecy finds its fulfillment exclusively in him, with no possibility of being fulfilled by another, given the non-existence of "Kedar" any longer. Notice the words "They bring water to him who is thirsty, with their bread they met him who fled" mirroring what Jesus said about that Son of man.
In the forest in Arabia you will lodge,
O you traveling companies of Dedanites.
14 O inhabitants of the land of Tema,
Bring water to him who is thirsty;
With their bread they met him who fled.
15 For they fled from the swords, from the drawn sword,
From the bent bow, and from the distress of war.
16 For thus the Lord has said to me: “Within a year, according to the year of a hired man, all the glory of Kedar will fail; 17 and the remainder of the number of archers, the mighty men of the people of Kedar, will be diminished; for the Lord God of Israel has spoken it.”
"14. O inhabitants of the land of Tema, Bring water to him who is thirsty; With their bread they met him who fled."Directly mirroring what Jesus mentioned the king (i.e. this 'Son of man') would say, in Matthew 25:
"35. for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;"This passage pertains to the migration (also known as "Hijrah") of Prophet Muhammad in 622 CE from Mecca to Yathrib (Medina) upon receiving an invitation, in order to escape the persecution of the warring pagans of Mecca.
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2024.04.22 15:14 RAX024 INC Theology and doctrine creates bible contradictions.
Question number one submitted by RAX024 to exIglesiaNiCristo [link] [comments] Is there any contradiction in the bible? The bible shouldn't have any contradiction of itself (verse contradicting the other) nor wrong words in it since I and INC believes it is the exact words of God, now If it's the word of God it should be CORRECT, There shouldn't be any contradiction, its called law of non-contradiction it's defined by theologian James Montgomery "If the Bible is truly from God, and if God is a God of truth (as He is), then. If two parts seem to be in opposition or in contradiction to each other, our interpretation of one or both of these parts must be in error.” Citing Psalm 119:160 ESV 160 The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever. Question number 2 What are the verses that they use to refuse the divinity of Christ and how does it contradics the other passages Deuteronomy 6:4 (ESV) 4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Mark 12:29 (ESV) 29 Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Here you can see of hear ministers say"EhTo Oh Si CrIsTo na mAy SaBi Na I-iSa laNg AnG DiyOs BaKiT Ka MaNiNiwAlA sA TriNitY eh GinAwA LaNg NaMan yAn Sa CouNciL oF NiCea" Here is where the contradictions starts Here is the Trinity present in the bible that you heretics avoided(Which they're good at) The Father being God Philippians 1:2 (ESV) 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. The Son being God John 1:1 (ESV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:18 (ESV) 18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. And the Holy spirit. Acts 5:3–4 (ESV) 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you Just a reminder the doctrine of Trinity is not and will not be a DENIAL of 1 God but an explanation that that 1 God has 3 Co-Equal and Co-Eternal persons with each is a distinct person yet each is identified as God. Why is it important for us to accept the deity of Christ? Well here, 1 John 2:23 (ESV) 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 1 John 5:12 (ESV) 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:20 (ESV) 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. INC believes that Jesus is just a human Messiah how does this creates Bible contradictions ? Because even in the Old testament the messiah is not considered as "Just" a human being nor does it speak of the messiah as a mere human being but a God Pslam 45:6 6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness; In reference to Hebrews 1:8 (ESV) 8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. And then continue to name him SPECIFICALLY as GOD WITH US Isaiah 7:14 (ESV) 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Immanuel or Emmanuel (Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל, romanized: ʿĪmmānūʾēl, meaning, "God with us" or "God is with us"; also romanized: Imanu'el; and Emmanouël or Ἐμμανουήλ in Koine Greek of the New Testament) in image 1 The messiah is called A mighty God Isaiah 9:6 (ESV) 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. And being called a Lord Psalm 110:1 (ESV) 1 The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.” The lord is our righteousness in Jeremiah 23:6 (ESV) 6 In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely. And this is the name by which he will be called: ‘The Lord is our righteousness.’ Now in the new testament it will authors of the books(the saints) also speaks of Jesus being active in the old testament 1 Corinthians 10:4 (ESV) 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ. 1 Corinthians 10:9 (ESV) 9 We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents, Hebrews 1:2–3 (ESV) 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. Hebrews 1:8–10 (ESV) 8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.” Jude 5 (ESV) 5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. Moreover the new testament authors applied the Divine יהוה (YHWH) to Jesus. Hebrews 1:10 (ESV) 10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; (Citing the passage in Psalm 102:25-27) Psalm 102:25–27 (ESV) 25 Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. 26 They will perish, but you will remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will change them like a robe, and they will pass away, 27 but you are the same, and your years Now this is really confusing since Israel's belief in One God was firmly grounded in the introductory words of shema thw Hebrew confession that includes the central tenents of faith (Deuteronomy 6:4 (ESV) 4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.) in the first century,the early churches belief in one God separates them form the polytheistic practice of the Greco-Roman pantheon (made up of Many gods like Zeus Athena hades etc) Now to explain further and for deeper knowledge when the Apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians, he was writing in Greek-speaking people who had to come out of Greco-roman Culture. The scripture the Corinthians with was The greek translation of the old statement(image 2) Septuagint,LXX in 1 Corinthians 8, The Apostle Paul rejects the many " gods" and "lords" of Greco-Roman Culture 1 Corinthians 8:4–5 (ESV) 4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” 5 For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”— In reference with Deuteronomy 10:17 (ESV) 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe. When Apostle Paul refers to the Father, he uses the Greek word θεὸς (theos), which in hebrew translation אֱלֹהֵינוּ (ʾĕlōhênû), but he refers to Jesus he husses the Greek word κύριος (kyrios), which in hebrew translate to the word יהוה (YHWH). Look at image 3 (side by side interleniar 1 Corinthians 8:4-5 and Deuteronomy 10:17) We all know that Apostle Paul is a Jew he clearly believeed in the Shema, For people who doesn't know shema it's Shema Yisrael, or the Shema, is the central affirmation of Judaism. The prayer expresses belief in the "singularity" of God, that is, in God's oneness and incomparability. It is traditionally recited twice a day, as part of the morning (Shacharit) and evening (Arvit or Ma'ariv) services. But because of the incarnation which you can read here Philippians 2:5–8 (ESV) 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being … He is also believe that Jesus shared the identity of YHWH (יהוה), The God of Israel. Paul was a monotheist But it ended because of the incarnation that led us to believe and know that Apostle Paul is a trinitarian not only by his writings,words that he used but also in his theology 1 Corinthians 12:4–6 (ESV) 4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. Ephesians 2:18 (ESV) 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. Ephesians 4:4–6 (ESV) 4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Heres another Verse that they also use to disprove the deity of Christ but also the Trinitarian doctrine, and have the Confidence that they're correct in their theology while contradicting the very foundation of Christianity as we know it today. John 20:17 (ESV) 17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ” In this verse INC ministers and members will say "KiTa Mo sA TalATa? na aNg AmA LAng anG dIyoS at HindI si Christo?" And continue to add that even Jesus himself consider him as a God and he even called him greater than I in John 14:28 now how does this Verse contradict the Bible Well first and foremost it contradics the very first chapter and of the Gospel of Apostle John that Jesus is God in John 1:1 (ESV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 NIV [14] The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:18 (ESV) 18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. John 12:41 (ESV) 41 Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him. This will also contradict Jesus several claims to his own deity John 5:17–18 (ESV) 17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.” 18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself John 5:23 (ESV) 23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. John 8:58 (ESV) 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 10:28–30 (ESV) 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” Second it also ignores the fact(Which are the only thing that these heretics are good at) that the Son(Jesus) eternally existed on which you can see on John 1:1 (ESV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 8:58 (ESV) 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 17:5 (ESV) 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. And also became flesh(human) and dwelt among us in John 1:14 (ESV) 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. In Jesus incarnate role as a sinless man 1 John 3:5 (ESV) 5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. Because the Father was functionally(because the Father stayed in heaven and he Jesus became a servant) John 14:28 (ESV) 28 You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. Hence making the Father greater than him in rank and status not in essence(being God) therefore he would humbly acknowledge the Father as his God, because of his incarnation, Jesus can refer to the Father as “my God.” They could also use Acts 2:22-36 where Apostle Peter Consider Jesus being a man attested by God Acts 2:22–36 (ESV) 22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25 For David says concerning him, “ ‘I saw the Lord always before me, for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken; 26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced; my flesh also will dwell in hope. 27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption. 28 You have made known to me the paths of life; you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’ 29 “Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and whis tomb is with us to this day. 30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God raised up, band of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34 For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, i“ ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, 35 until I make your enemies your footstool.” ’ 36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” Yes Apostle Peter did Believe that Jesus was a Man attested by God,But that is not all the believed about Jesus. In the book of Acts ,Jesus has ascended to the right hand of The Father, Now Inc ministers might/will say(KiTa NyO Kahit Si aPosTle PeTer AlAm nA TaO si Jesus At HinDi DiYos) Well lets see on the book of Acts if the books of Acts will agree or disagree with what Acts 2:33 (ESV) 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. Acts 5:31 (ESV) 31 God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins (How can a "human" as you say forgive sins if he is not God/ Diety?) Acts 7:55–56 (ESV) 55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” (How can a man be at the right side(literally not lower as you imagine) or on the same level of the The Father if he is not God? A Role in which he us Active and Not Passive Show by answering the prayers of Peter to heal, Acts 3:6 (ESV) 6 But Peter said, “I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!” Acts 4:10 (ESV) 10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. Acts 9:3–6 (ESV) 3 Now as he went on his way, he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven shone around him. 4 And falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” 5 And he said, “Who are you, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you Acts 9:34 (ESV) 34 And Peter said to him, “Aeneas, Jesus Christ heals you; rise and make your bed.” And immediately he rose. in his sermon on the day of pentecost,Peter then links calling on the name of the "Lord" to save that only a The Father can do according to these heretics. Acts 2:21 (ESV) 21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’ This is in reference in the book of Joel Joel 2:32 (ESV) 32 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls. To calling on the name on the name of Jesus Acts 2:36–39 ESV 36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” 37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” Reference on Acts 7:59 (ESV) 59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” But peter is not done yet because he Further speaks of Jesus as pouring out the holy spirit which also a Contradiction to INC that God The Father is the only one who can do this Acts 2:33 (ESV) 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. Acts 2:17–18 (ESV) 17 “ ‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; 18 even on my male servants and female servants in., Peter also called Jesus the Author of life Acts 3:15 (ESV) 15 and you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses. Which also a Contradiction to INC teachings that God the Father is the only one that can create life but Peter is not done yet he also stated that Jesus is the only name for salvation in Acts 4:12 (ESV) 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” As a Savior Acts 5:31 (ESV) 31 God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. Citing Acts 13:23 (ESV) 23 Of this man’s offspring God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus, as he promised. And also the Judge of of the Living and the dead Acts 10:42 (ESV) 42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. And lastly "Lord of all" Acts 10:36 (ESV) 36 As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all). None of these things could be said of someone who is just a human because that will go againts their shema as Jews. If you don't know what it is Shema Yisrael, or the Shema, is the central affirmation of Judaism. The prayer expresses belief in the singularity of God, that is, in God's oneness and incomparability. It is traditionally recited twice a day, as part of the morning (Shacharit) and evening (Arvit or Ma'ariv) services. Now to further examine Apostle Paul's writings and beliefs let's dig deeper in 1 Peter 3:15 (ESV) 15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, Citing Isaiah 8:13 (ESV) 13 But the Lord of hosts, him you shall honor as holy. Let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. Most of the time in rhe LXX the covenant name for God is (יהוה) is translated as kyrios(Lord), The term "Lord" in the LXX of Isaiah 8:13(above) refers directly to the "Lord of hosts" Peter use the LXX, he inserts"Christ "(messiah), asserting that we should honor him as Lord in second Epistle Peter also clearly calls Jesus "God:""the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ" in 2 Peter 1:1 (ESV) 1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: Citing 2 Peter 1:11 (ESV) 11 For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 2:20 20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 2 Peter 3:18 (ESV) 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen. Moreover, when Peter confronted Ananias about his sin this is what he said "Why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy spirit You have not lied to man But to God" Acts 5:3–4 (ESV) 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you So meaning to say, To lie to the Holy spirit was to Lie to God. in the book of Acts, th Holy Spirit is not a force but a Person Who not only Can be lied to, But also fills, sends, and speak to people Here speaks Acts 4:8 (ESV) 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders, Acts 13:2 (ESV) 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Acts 21:11 (ESV) 11 And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘This is how the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’ ” Acts 28:25 (ESV) 25 And disagreeing among themselves, they departed after Paul had made one statement: “The Holy Spirit was right in saying to your fathers through Isaiah the prophet: Here sends Acts 13:4 (ESV) 4 So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus. And lied as shown in Acts 5:3-4 so like Paul we can say that Peter was also a Trinitarian in his theology Now onto the other verse that INC uses to contradict the Deity of Christ and also The Trinitarian belief which is 1 Timothy 2:4–5 (ESV) 4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, They might say "KeTah NyO? lEtrA Por LetRa naG lInE uP ang ExpLaNaTioN at ThEoLoGy naMin Na Isa Lang AnG Diyos!!(Screams in abuloy)" The contradictions that this gives is, the belief of those who hold the Deity of Jesus also lines up with what the Apostles Paul teaches but again we realize and read Paul said more about the identity of Jesus, The reason why Apostle Paul refers to Christ as a man is because a mediator is a representative between two parties explained in Hebrews 9:15 Hebrews 9:15 (ESV) 15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. This is not a denial of Jesus divinity but an acknowledgement of his incarnation In 1 Timothy 3:16 1 Timothy 3:16 (ESV) 16 Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. In other passage, Paul calls Jesus as our great God and Saviour in Titus 2:13 citing Titus 2:14 Titus 2:13 (ESV) 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:14 (ESV) 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works. To add Paul also describes the Corinthians as those who “call upon [epikaloumenois] the name of our Lord Jesus Christ” we can see it in 1 Corinthians 1:2 citing Acts 2:21 1 Corinthians 1:2 (ESV) 2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours: Acts 2:21 (ESV) 21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’ In the Ild testament "called on" the nema of the Lord(יהוה) is in Joel 2:32 Joel 2:32 (ESV) 32 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls. the Corinthians were people who addressed Jesus as Lord in prayer John 14:14 (ESV) 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it. This was not just something the Corinthians dud as Paul also directs his prayers to Jesus in both 1 Thessalonians 3:13 (ESV) 13 so that he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints. And also on 2 Thessalonians 3:5 (ESV) 5 May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the steadfastness of Christ. And To Jesus and the Father 1 Thessalonians 3:11 (ESV) 11 Now may our God and Father himself, and our Lord Jesus, direct our way to you, 2 Thessalonians 2:16–17 (ESV) 16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word. In 1 Corinthians 2:8, 1 Corinthians 2:8 (ESV) 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. Concerning God's wisdom,Paul states, "none of the rulers of this age understood this,for if they had they would not have crucified the Lord of glory". Paul describes Jesus as "the Lord of glory" this is in reference to James 2:1 and Psalm 24:7-8. James 2:1 (ESV) 2 My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. Psalm 24:7–8 (ESV) 7 Lift up your heads, O gates! And be lifted up, O ancient doors, that the King of glory may come in. 8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord, strong and mighty, the Lord, mighty in battle! Question to the Whole INC what man could be described in this way? it would be blasphemous to call anyone the Lord of glory unless they were devine. Now next question Did jesus Become a man? Now because these INC ministers and Their followers operates from Governing assumptions (that God is one Person the Father) that keeps them from arriving at a right conclusion (the Diety of Jesus)), they often engages in fallacious reasoning, For example Now common mistakes that these heretics might say if you use John 1:1-14 to prove the divinity of Christ they might tapdance and say "Oh NAsaN aNg TriniTy jAn? Wala NaMan Eh KahIt SaN Mo HaNapIn Yung Trinity Sa Gospel Of JhOn Wala KanG mAHaHanap Letra por LeTra Pero Iglesia Ni CriStO meron, ISa Pa YunG WoRd nA Theos iS Just Your Hebrew Opion(citing Joe Vintilador)". This simply a stupid and misinterpretation of what Trinitarian believe; Trinitarians don't teach that John1:1 or John 1:14 by themselves teach the Trinity. moreover, Trinitarians don not argue that the word Theos (God) means Trinity. However,the term Theos is used of Jesus in John 20:28 John 20:28 (ESV) 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” And the holy spirit in Acts 5:4 (ESV) 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” Rather than explicitly teaching the Trinity John 1:1 and John 1:14 supports the doctrine of the Trinity as they teach the Eternal Son of God(Jesus) took on Flesh (humanity/became human) and dwelt among us. Now to prove that Jesus pre exist and in his prayer in John 17:3-5, Jesus both refer to his Pre-existance and uses terminology that can only be used about deity John 17:3–5 (ESV) 3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 4 I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you However just as with other clear passages in the New Testament that Jesus speak to Jesus' Diety these heretics tries to find a way to get around this using John 17:3 NIV [3] Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. They'll say "KeTah Nyo Si Jesus Nga NaNiwAla Na Isa LanG aNg DiYos At yun Ay aNg Ama" What these heretics fails to highlight or understand(which hirap na hirap sila) is according to Jesus,to have Eternally lofe is to know two persons both the Father and The Son(Jesus) in John 14:6-7 and 16:3 John 14:6–7 (ESV) 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.” John 16:3 (ESV) 3 And they will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me Now same as Jewish monotheism (unlike unitarianism) could contain the idea that the Messiah was Devine as (stated in this post above) and that together with the creator give life you can see it in John 5:25-26 John 5:25–26 (ESV) 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. This is why Apostle John could also say that God's son, Jesus Christ is "the true God and eternal life 1 John 5:20 1 John 5:20 (ESV) 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. But still otice In John 17:5conversation Jesus is speaking of that glory he shared with the Father before the world existed The words "before the world existed" Shows that Jesus sonship did not begin at his baptism or resurrection (as other unitarian believe) but is an eternal sonship John 1:1 (ESV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. So in therefore John 17:3-5 is an example of a divine,yet incarnate that you can see in John 1:14 John 1:14 (ESV) 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. That the Person, The Son communicating with a divine but non-incarnate Person the Father in heaven. Now did Thomas call Jesus God? In John 20:28 Thomas famously answers the risen Jesus," My lord and my God! "(ho kyrios mou kai ho theos mou). Thomas Statement is from the Old testament in Psalm 35:23, Psalm 99:8 and 106:47 Psalm 35:23 (ESV) 23 Awake and rouse yourself for my vindication, for my cause, my God and my Lord! Psalm 99:8 (ESV) 8 O Lord our God, you answered them; you were a forgiving God to them, but an avenger of their wrongdoings. Psalm 106:47 (ESV) 47 Save us, LORD our God, and gather us from the nations, that we may give thanks to your holy name and glory in your praise. In response to this verse INC heretics might say "Eh YunG mGa TrInItaRiaN IsinAsAntAbi Na YuNg AmA Ang BumUhaY kaY Hesus eh Yada yada yada uhuh Ahah" Since they don't want to accept it theyll make something up and twist the bible but still its Gods words he'll protect it the assumptions that they make will back fire and also strange to say that Trinitarians fail to acknowledge the Father raised Jesus from the dead when its not even a part of the surrounding context in John 20:28. All Trinitarians believe the Father raised jesus from the dead Galatians 1:1 (ESV) 1 Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— But we also recognize that Jesus He would raise himself from the Dead and sinxe Jesus is a sinless man he can't and will not lie correct? John 2:19–22 (ESV) 19 Jesus answered them, z“Destroy this temple, and in three days aI will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple,3 and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking about bthe temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, chis disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed dthe Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken. And That the Holy spirit was also involved / Raised him from the dead Romans 8:11 (ESV) 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. The resurrection of Jesus involved all Three members/persons of the Trinity. The problem about the interpretations and theology of ministers who stumbled on John 20:28 is that Both nouns- Lord (kyrios) and God (theos)—are in the nominative case and are addressed to Jesus here on Revelation 4:11 (ESV) 11 “Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.” Infact Thomas's confession is directed to one Person, Jesus, If jesus was not Devine then Thomas made a serious error but Jeuss made no effort to correct Thomas in his worship yet Peter in Acts 10:25–26 Acts 10:25–26 (ESV) 25 When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I too am a man.” And also Paul in acts 14:14-15 Acts 14:14–15 (ESV) 14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their garments and rushed out into the crowd, crying out, 15 “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men, of like nature with you, and we bring you good news, that you should turn from these vain things to a living God, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all that is in them. And the Angel in Revelation in Revelation 22:8–9 Revelation 22:8–9 (ESV) 8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me, 9 but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those All corrected others for trying to worship them, clearly demonstrating that Worship belongs to God only. the confession of deity here is unmistakable because Jesus accepted Thomas' worship of him in John 20:28 John 20:29 (ESV) 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” Whats more in the book of Revelation,the elders every creature in heaven and upon the earth ascribe universal worship you can read is in Revelation 5:11-14 Revelation 5:11–14 (ESV) 11 Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and This is a reference to John1:29 John 1:29 (ESV) 29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! INC may claim the bible as their authority proudly screaming "we follow the bible" but Reject and distort anything in the bible that they cannot comprehend or go against their Doctrine since it'll go against their heretic view and Faulty doctrine from a GUY who didn't have enough sleep and starving(literally)for validation how does it feel for the very "authority" that you use doesn't agree with you even a single time? INC objections to the Diety of Jesus is nothing new and are based on Misunderstanding of the nature of God( that God is one person) and taking verse out of context(Which is the only thing they're good and also taking money) INC unitarianism is a rationalistic approach (placing their human reasoning na sira sira since kulang sa sleep) above revelation to the text of the bible they may claim the bible as their authority and say " NaNiNiwAlA Ako Sa BibLe" but they still Reject it. It is not the text of the Bible that determines UNITARIAN THEOLOGY but what they THINK is POSSIBLE. The Apostle Paul warned the Corinthians about accepting a Jesus that is different from the Jesus proclaimed by the apostles in 2 Corinthians 11:4 2 Corinthians 11:4 (ESV) 4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. Question can you still consider yourself TRUE and BIBLICAL if the very authority that you use to remove the Diety for Jesus doesn't agree with you and refuse your own theology and doctrine? What will the answer be sir?u/James_Readme Thankyou for reading a super long post about Unitarian beliefs may peace be upon you and your families. |
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18:17 And [had you been present], you would see the sun when it rose, inclining away from their cave on the right, and when it set, passing away from them on the left, while they were [lying] within an open space thereof. That was from the signs of Allah. He whom Allah guides is the [rightly] guided, but he whom He leaves astray - never will you find for him a protecting guide.▶ The Simpsons - sun; Mr. Burns' turn to strike the ball.
18:18 And you would think them awake, while they were asleep. And We turned them to the right and to the left, while their dog stretched his forelegs at the entrance. If you had looked at them, you would have turned from them in flight and been filled by them with terror.
Qur'an 18:[17-18] | The Simpsons - sun |
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18:17 "And [had you been present], you would see the sun when it rose, inclining away from their cave on the right, and when it set, passing away from them on the left," | Note that in the first scene of the video the thrown ball is shown merging with the sun. Then the next ball has a deviated trajectory from left to right: "Oh, a cunning stratagem, sir. It's curving right toward the green, and it's... there." |
18:17 "while they were [lying] within an open space thereof." | A 👁️🗨️ wide open space (clearing) between group of trees. |
18:18 "And you would think them awake, while they were asleep." | A character suddenly loses consciousness, causing another character to be confused. |
18:18 "And We turned them to the right and to the left," | A character turning on himself (starting from his left) with a club in his hand. (⇢ read [q-l-b] below the table ⬇️) |
18:18 "while their dog stretched his forelegs at the entrance." | 👁️🗨️ Two parallel golf clubs on the ground, in the foreground in front of the clearing. (⇢ read [k-l-b] below the table ⬇️) |
18:18 "If you had looked at them, you would have turned from them in flight and been filled by them with terror." | A character flees in haste at the sight of another lying on the ground. |
18:19 And similarly, We awakened them that they might question one another. Said a speaker from among them, "How long have you remained [here]?" They said, "We have remained a day or part of a day." They said, "Your Lord is most knowing of how long you remained. So send one of you with this silver coin of yours to the city and let him look to which is the best of food and bring you provision from it and let him be cautious. And let no one be aware of you.▶ The Simpsons - city; Marge travels to a faraway city in search of a high-quality dress.
18:20 Indeed, if they come to know of you, they will stone you or return you to their religion. And never would you succeed, then - ever."
Qur'an 18:[19-20] | The Simpsons - city |
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18:19 "[...] So send one of you with this silver coin of yours to the city" | A character going alone in a city... |
18:19 "and let him look to which is the best of food*️⃣ and bring you provision from it" | "Miss? Do you have a Chanel suit or any other high-quality clothes?" |
18:20 "[...] they will stone you" | A character stoned by a golf ball |
18:20 "or return you to their religion." | "I'm sure he'd support your application for membership tonight." | "Bull honkey! I don't care about joining this stupid club." | "But does your wife?" |
Qur'an 18:19 | The Simpsons - dollar |
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18:19 "And similarly, We awakened them that they might question one another. Said a speaker from among them*️⃣," | Just as they are about to exit the house, the chatty character asks another one questions. |
18:19 "How long have you remained [here]?" | "How much did it cost?" |
18:19 "They said, "We have remained a day" | "A dollar. Let's go." |
18:19 "or part of a day." | "With tax or without?" | "Without. Let me go." |
18:21 And similarly, We caused them to be found that they [who found them] would know that the promise of Allah is truth and that of the Hour there is no doubt. [That was] when they disputed among themselves about their affair and [then] said, "Construct over them a structure. Their Lord is most knowing about them." Said those who prevailed in the matter, "We will surely take [for ourselves] over them a masjid."▶ The Simpsons - party; The Simpsons go to the reception.
Qur'an 18:21 | The Simpsons - party |
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18:21 "[...][That was] when they disputed among themselves about their affair" | Arguing characters |
18:21 "and [then] said, "Construct over them a structure1️⃣. Their Lord is most knowing about them2️⃣."" | "I'm driving up to the main building. They've got valet3️⃣ parking tonight." |
18:21 "Said those who prevailed in the matter, "We will surely take [for ourselves] over them a masjid4️⃣."" | The dominant character chooses that they should walk instead: "Stop the car. We're walking." Following that decision they find themselves in a situation 👁️🗨️ reminiscent of the faithful behind their imam in a masjid (a mosque). |
18:21 And similarly, We caused them to be found that they [who found them] would know that the promise of Allāh is truth and that of the Hour there is no doubt. [...]▶ The Simpsons - party; Homer hurries to the building, expecting to be called sir:
For once, maybe someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene".The word translated as "the-Hour" is as-sa'ah. In the ayah, the word is pronounced as-sa'a-ta, but when the word is isolated, the final '-ta' disappears to be replaced by a small breath that comes from the bottom of the throat.
18:22 They [i.e., people] will say there were three, the fourth of them being their dog; and they will say there were five, the sixth of them being their dog - guessing at the unseen; and they will say there were seven, and the eighth of them was their dog. Say, [O Muḥammad], "My Lord is most knowing of their number. None knows them except a few. So do not argue about them except with an obvious argument and do not inquire about them among [the speculators] from anyone."[+] In addition to the normal continuation of the thread of ayat we're going to look back at ayat counting the beginning of the youths' story. These are ayat that we haven't covered yet:
18:13 It is We who relate to you, [O Muhammad], their story in truth. Indeed, they were youths who believed in their Lord, and We increased them in guidance.▶ The Simpsons - triangle; The Simpsons discuss what they are going to do at the reception.
18:14 And We made firm their hearts when they stood up and said, "Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. Never will we invoke besides Him any deity. We would have certainly spoken, then, an excessive transgression.
18:15 These, our people, have taken besides Him deities. Why do they not bring for [worship of] them a clear authority? And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie?"
18:16 [The youths said to one another], "And when you have withdrawn from them and that which they worship other than Allah, retreat to the cave. Your Lord will spread out for you of His mercy and will prepare for you from your affair facility."
18:22 [...] So do not argue about them except with an obvious argumentThe words used in Arabic translated as "to argue"/"argument" are tumari/mira'an from the root m-r-y. This root generates three main groups of ideas: [dispute/opposition/contestation], [hesitation/doubt], and [squeezing the maximum amount of milk out of a camel's udder]:
Qur'an 18:22 "So do not argue [tumari] about them" | The Simpsons - triangle |
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[dispute/opposition/contestation] | [opposition/contestation] "I'm going to regale everyone with my anecdote. You know, the one I tried to say on the radio? Who's going to bleep me this time?" |
[squeezing the maximum amount of milk out of a camel's udder] | ["milking" an old lady for her money] "I'm going to pose as an Italian count and get some old lady to leave me all her money." |
[hesitation/doubt] | [hesitation/doubt] "I'm going to ask people if they know their servants' last names or, in the case of butlers, their first." |
Qur'an 18:[14-15] | The Simpsons - triangle "No vulgarity. No mischief. No politics." |
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18:14 "[...] And We made firm their hearts when they stood up and said, "Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. Never will we invoke besides Him any deity. We would have certainly spoken, then, an excessive transgression." (⇢ read [shatatan] below the table ⬇️) | [vulgarity] "I'm going to regale everyone with my anecdote. You know, the one I tried to say on the radio? Who's going to bleep me this time?" |
18:15 "These, our people, have taken besides Him deities. Why do they not bring for [worship of] them a clear authority?" (⇢ read [qawmuna] below the table ⬇️) | [politics] "I'm going to ask people if they know their servants' last names or, in the case of butlers, their first." |
18:15 "Why do they not bring for [worship of] them a clear authority? And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie?"" (⇢ read [mis-chief] below the table ⬇️) | [mischief] "I'm going to pose as an Italian count and get some old lady to leave me all her money." |
Qur'an 18:14 | The Simpsons - triangle |
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18:14 "And We made firm their hearts*️⃣ when they stood up and said," | Homer's group begins to walk, and as soon as Homer speaks, the "camera" shots show the growing cohesion of the group until they end up in a tight row. They speak collegially and the camera following their faces forms a triangle (the triangle is reputed to be the most stable form for a structure). |
18:22 [...] except with an obvious argumentThe word used in Arabic translated as "obvious" is ẓahiran, which means "manifest (whereas previously latent)". This word comes from the root ẓ-h-r which generates seemingly distant meanings from each other. It gives the nouns back (of the body) and midday (when the sun is high) and also the verb to manifest.
Conclusion
There is only one root ظهر √ẓhr, which results from the crossing of the etymons {ẓ,r} and {h,r}.
– By the etymon {ẓ,r}, this root comes under the matrix of the throat and neck. Its semanticism is mainly oriented towards the back perceived as the extension of the back part of the neck, the nape of the neck. The etymon {h,r} only comes in reinforcement in the items relating to the notions of brilliance, midday, appearing, etc.
– But as there is only one word ظَهْر ẓahr to designate both the back of bipeds and that of quadrupeds, the root ظهر √ẓhr comes, by enantiosemy, to express both what is in the back of some, therefore behind them, hidden, invisible, and what is on the backs of others, therefore above, salient, shining, uncovered, visible.
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Qur'an 18:22 | The Simpsons - highlight |
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18:22 "[...] except with an obvious [ẓahiran] argument" | "You kids should thank your mother. Now that she's a better person we can see how awful we really are." (⇢ read [ẓahiran] below the table ⬇️) |
18:22 [...] and do not inquire about them among [the speculators] from anyone.The word used in Arabic translated as "to inquire" is tastafti. It is a verb formed from the root f-t-y which is declined in different meanings. From this root comes the word fatan which is used in this same surah (n°18) under its two definitions, "young men of sound judgment" (fit'yatun) and "servant/valet/slave" (lifatahu).
Qur'an 18:22 | The Simpsons - triangle |
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18:22 "[...] and do not inquire1️⃣ about them2️⃣ among [the speculators] from anyone." | "I'm going to ask people if they know their servants3️⃣' last names or, in the case of butlers, their first." | "No! No! No! Not tonight!" |
18:23 And never say of anything, "Indeed, I will do that tomorrow,"▶ The Simpsons - sir; Back to the "sir" scene.
18:24 Except [when adding], "If Allah wills." And remember your Lord when you forget [it] and say, "Perhaps my Lord will guide me to what is nearer than this to right conduct."
For once, maybe someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene".I think I can reconstruct some semblance of Homer's line by drawing on the two ayat above:
The Simpsons - sir | Qur'an 18:[23-24] |
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maybe someone will | 18:24 Perhaps my Lord will |
call me | 18:23 "wala taqulanna" (And never say). "qul" means "say". An emphatic suffix is added to give the form "-qulanna"; that is phonetically close to qul-'ana' (ana = me, I) ~~> qul 'me' ~~> call me. |
sir | ? (⇢ read [?] below the table ⬇️) |
without adding | 18:24 Except [when adding] |
"you're making | 18:23 "Indeed, I will do |
a scene" | 18:23 that. "that" refers to "of anything" or more precisely to lishay'in; li[of]-shay'in[a thing]. I find that the /sh/ and /s/ sounds are often interchangeable in this kind of comparison. Which leads me to say that the English word scene and the Arabic word shay'in are 🔊 consonant. |
▶ The Simpsons - sir; Homer says: "For once, maybe someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene"."In the Columbo video, the character reacts to being called "sir" by reciting a line of dialogue from a scene in Macbeth: Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, Macbeth - Act5, scene 5.
▶ Columbo - sir; The character hears himself called "sir" and arguably, he's making a scene...
- Is this your signature?
- Yes, sir.
- You don't have to call me "sir". Is this your signature?
- Sir, yes, sir.
- You certainly don't need to do it twice in one sentence.
[...]
- What's a garden variety Code Red?
- Sir?
- Harold, you say "sir", I turn around and look for my father.
Qur'an 18:24 | The Simpsons - sir | A Few Good Men - sir |
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18:24 Except [when adding], "If Allah wills." And remember your Lord when you forget [it] and say, "Perhaps my Lord will guide me to what is nearer than this to right conduct." | Homer says: "For once, maybe someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene"." In other words, that his conduct would be in accordance with etiquette. | "What's a Code Red?" | "Sir, a Code Red is a disciplinary engagement." | "What's that mean exactly?" | "Sir, a Marine falls out of line, it's up to the men in his unit to get him back on track." |
And they remained in their cave for three hundred years and exceeded by nine.▶ The Simpsons - thirty-three hundred; Marge's confession:
We'll have a thirty-three hundred dollars credit at Chanel.
Qur'an 18:25 | The Simpsons - thirty-three hundred |
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18:25 And they remained in their cave for three hundred years [...] | "We'll have a thirty-three hundred dollars credit at Chanel." |
18:25 [...] and exceeded by nine | "We'll have a thirty*️⃣-three hundred dollars credit at Chanel." |
And keep yourself patient [by being] with those who call upon their Lord in the morning and the evening, seeking His countenance. And let not your eyes pass beyond them, desiring adornments of the worldly life, and do not obey one whose heart We have made heedless of Our remembrance and who follows his desire and whose affair is ever [in] neglect.▶ The Simpsons - face to face; Marge faces a dilemma.
Qur'an 18:28 | The Simpsons - face to face |
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18:28 "And keep yourself patient [by being] with those who call upon their Lord in the morning and the evening, seeking His countenance1️⃣." | "Come here, Maggie. Oh, Homie I like your in-your-face humanity. I like the way Lisa speaks her mind. I like Bart's... I like Bart." |
18:28 "And let not your eyes pass beyond them, desiring adornments of the worldly life" | The main character in the scene first turns her gaze away from the other characters to look in the direction of the reception room, then changes her mind and looks back to them. Facing each of them, one after the other. |
18:28 "and do not obey one whose heart We have made heedless of Our remembrance" | "Come on, let's go. I wouldn't want to join any club that would have this me as a member." |
18:28 "and who follows his desire and whose affair is ever [in] neglect2️⃣." | "I didn't have to spend our savings on this stupid gown." |
18:29 And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place.▶ The Simpsons - surrounded; The Simpsons ignore the reception and go to Krusty Burger.
18:30 Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds - indeed, We will not allow to be lost the reward of any who did well in deeds.
18:31 Those will have gardens of perpetual residence; beneath them rivers will flow. They will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and will wear green garments of fine silk and brocade, reclining therein on adorned couches. Excellent is the reward, and good is the resting place.
Qur'an 18:[29-31] | The Simpsons - surrounded |
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18:29 "[...] Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them." | Shot of the exterior of the clubhouse, from which a dense yellowish light emanates: 👁️🗨️ The Simpsons - fire walls |
18:29 "And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil*️⃣" | A character drinks a yellow liquid: 👁️🗨️ The Simpsons - molten brass |
18:29 "which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place." | The liquid-drinking character is visually superimposed on another character behind her, whose face will soon express disgust. Followed by a transition shot of a face emitting a bright pulsating light. See ▶ The Simpsons - burning face |
18:31 "[...] beneath them rivers will flow." | The floor is washed with water just below where the main characters are seated. |
18:31 "[...] and will wear green garments of fine silk and brocade," | (⇢ read [Green and Silk] below the table ⬇️) |
18:31 "reclining therein on adorned couches" | The main characters are seated on comfortable banquettes. |
18:31 "Excellent is the reward, and good is the resting place." | "But, you know, we realized we're more comfortable in a place like this." |
[...] and will wear green garments of fine silk and brocadeThe whole surah revolves around the idea of comparison between two parties, I see here the entanglement of the notions of life in the "gardens of perpetual residence" and life in this world. I explain, green garments enters the lexical field of gardens while silk is part of the aspirations of this world.
18:29 And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." [...]
Qur'an 18:29 | Qur'an 18:[30-31] |
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18:29 "[...] Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them." | 18:30 "Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds - indeed, We will not allow to be lost the reward of any who did well in deeds." |
18:29 "[...] And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place." | 18:31 "Those will have gardens of perpetual residence; beneath them rivers will flow. They will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and will wear green garments of fine silk and brocade, reclining therein on adorned couches. Excellent is the reward, and good is the resting place." |
Marge | Busboy |
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"But, you know, we realized we're more comfortable in a place like this." | "Man, you're crazy. This place is a dump. Oh man, I'd be anywhere except this place, that's for sure." |
2024.04.20 19:50 LtColumbo403 On the trail of a spirit (2/3)
18:17 And [had you been present], you would see the sun when it rose, inclining away from their cave on the right, and when it set, passing away from them on the left, while they were [lying] within an open space thereof. That was from the signs of Allah. He whom Allah guides is the [rightly] guided, but he whom He leaves astray - never will you find for him a protecting guide.▶ The Simpsons - sun; Mr. Burns' turn to strike the ball.
18:18 And you would think them awake, while they were asleep. And We turned them to the right and to the left, while their dog stretched his forelegs at the entrance. If you had looked at them, you would have turned from them in flight and been filled by them with terror.
Qur'an 18:[17-18] | The Simpsons - sun |
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18:17 "And [had you been present], you would see the sun when it rose, inclining away from their cave on the right, and when it set, passing away from them on the left," | Note that in the first scene of the video the thrown ball is shown merging with the sun. Then the next ball has a deviated trajectory from left to right: "Oh, a cunning stratagem, sir. It's curving right toward the green, and it's... there." |
18:17 "while they were [lying] within an open space thereof." | A 👁️🗨️ wide open space (clearing) between group of trees. |
18:18 "And you would think them awake, while they were asleep." | A character suddenly loses consciousness, causing another character to be confused. |
18:18 "And We turned them to the right and to the left," | A character turning on himself (starting from his left) with a club in his hand. (⇢ read [q-l-b] below the table ⬇️) |
18:18 "while their dog stretched his forelegs at the entrance." | 👁️🗨️ Two parallel golf clubs on the ground, in the foreground in front of the clearing. (⇢ read [k-l-b] below the table ⬇️) |
18:18 "If you had looked at them, you would have turned from them in flight and been filled by them with terror." | A character flees in haste at the sight of another lying on the ground. |
18:19 And similarly, We awakened them that they might question one another. Said a speaker from among them, "How long have you remained [here]?" They said, "We have remained a day or part of a day." They said, "Your Lord is most knowing of how long you remained. So send one of you with this silver coin of yours to the city and let him look to which is the best of food and bring you provision from it and let him be cautious. And let no one be aware of you.▶ The Simpsons - city; Marge travels to a faraway city in search of a high-quality dress.
18:20 Indeed, if they come to know of you, they will stone you or return you to their religion. And never would you succeed, then - ever."
Qur'an 18:[19-20] | The Simpsons - city |
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18:19 "[...] So send one of you with this silver coin of yours to the city" | A character going alone in a city... |
18:19 "and let him look to which is the best of food*️⃣ and bring you provision from it" | "Miss? Do you have a Chanel suit or any other high-quality clothes?" |
18:20 "[...] they will stone you" | A character stoned by a golf ball |
18:20 "or return you to their religion." | "I'm sure he'd support your application for membership tonight." | "Bull honkey! I don't care about joining this stupid club." | "But does your wife?" |
Qur'an 18:19 | The Simpsons - dollar |
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18:19 "And similarly, We awakened them that they might question one another. Said a speaker from among them*️⃣," | Just as they are about to exit the house, the chatty character asks another one questions. |
18:19 "How long have you remained [here]?" | "How much did it cost?" |
18:19 "They said, "We have remained a day" | "A dollar. Let's go." |
18:19 "or part of a day." | "With tax or without?" | "Without. Let me go." |
18:21 And similarly, We caused them to be found that they [who found them] would know that the promise of Allah is truth and that of the Hour there is no doubt. [That was] when they disputed among themselves about their affair and [then] said, "Construct over them a structure. Their Lord is most knowing about them." Said those who prevailed in the matter, "We will surely take [for ourselves] over them a masjid."▶ The Simpsons - party; The Simpsons go to the reception.
Qur'an 18:21 | The Simpsons - party |
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18:21 "[...][That was] when they disputed among themselves about their affair" | Arguing characters |
18:21 "and [then] said, "Construct over them a structure1️⃣. Their Lord is most knowing about them2️⃣."" | "I'm driving up to the main building. They've got valet3️⃣ parking tonight." |
18:21 "Said those who prevailed in the matter, "We will surely take [for ourselves] over them a masjid4️⃣."" | The dominant character chooses that they should walk instead: "Stop the car. We're walking." Following that decision they find themselves in a situation 👁️🗨️ reminiscent of the faithful behind their imam in a masjid (a mosque). |
18:21 And similarly, We caused them to be found that they [who found them] would know that the promise of Allāh is truth and that of the Hour there is no doubt. [...]▶ The Simpsons - party; Homer hurries to the building, expecting to be called sir:
For once, maybe someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene".The word translated as "the-Hour" is as-sa'ah. In the ayah, the word is pronounced as-sa'a-ta, but when the word is isolated, the final '-ta' disappears to be replaced by a small breath that comes from the bottom of the throat.
18:22 They [i.e., people] will say there were three, the fourth of them being their dog; and they will say there were five, the sixth of them being their dog - guessing at the unseen; and they will say there were seven, and the eighth of them was their dog. Say, [O Muḥammad], "My Lord is most knowing of their number. None knows them except a few. So do not argue about them except with an obvious argument and do not inquire about them among [the speculators] from anyone."[+] In addition to the normal continuation of the thread of ayat we're going to look back at ayat counting the beginning of the youths' story. These are ayat that we haven't covered yet:
18:13 It is We who relate to you, [O Muhammad], their story in truth. Indeed, they were youths who believed in their Lord, and We increased them in guidance.▶ The Simpsons - triangle; The Simpsons discuss what they are going to do at the reception.
18:14 And We made firm their hearts when they stood up and said, "Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. Never will we invoke besides Him any deity. We would have certainly spoken, then, an excessive transgression.
18:15 These, our people, have taken besides Him deities. Why do they not bring for [worship of] them a clear authority? And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie?"
18:16 [The youths said to one another], "And when you have withdrawn from them and that which they worship other than Allah, retreat to the cave. Your Lord will spread out for you of His mercy and will prepare for you from your affair facility."
18:22 [...] So do not argue about them except with an obvious argumentThe words used in Arabic translated as "to argue"/"argument" are tumari/mira'an from the root m-r-y. This root generates three main groups of ideas: [dispute/opposition/contestation], [hesitation/doubt], and [squeezing the maximum amount of milk out of a camel's udder]:
Qur'an 18:22 "So do not argue [tumari] about them" | The Simpsons - triangle |
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[dispute/opposition/contestation] | [opposition/contestation] "I'm going to regale everyone with my anecdote. You know, the one I tried to say on the radio? Who's going to bleep me this time?" |
[squeezing the maximum amount of milk out of a camel's udder] | ["milking" an old lady for her money] "I'm going to pose as an Italian count and get some old lady to leave me all her money." |
[hesitation/doubt] | [hesitation/doubt] "I'm going to ask people if they know their servants' last names or, in the case of butlers, their first." |
Qur'an 18:[14-15] | The Simpsons - triangle "No vulgarity. No mischief. No politics." |
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18:14 "[...] And We made firm their hearts when they stood up and said, "Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. Never will we invoke besides Him any deity. We would have certainly spoken, then, an excessive transgression." (⇢ read [shatatan] below the table ⬇️) | [vulgarity] "I'm going to regale everyone with my anecdote. You know, the one I tried to say on the radio? Who's going to bleep me this time?" |
18:15 "These, our people, have taken besides Him deities. Why do they not bring for [worship of] them a clear authority?" (⇢ read [qawmuna] below the table ⬇️) | [politics] "I'm going to ask people if they know their servants' last names or, in the case of butlers, their first." |
18:15 "Why do they not bring for [worship of] them a clear authority? And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie?"" (⇢ read [mis-chief] below the table ⬇️) | [mischief] "I'm going to pose as an Italian count and get some old lady to leave me all her money." |
Qur'an 18:14 | The Simpsons - triangle |
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18:14 "And We made firm their hearts*️⃣ when they stood up and said," | Homer's group begins to walk, and as soon as Homer speaks, the "camera" shots show the growing cohesion of the group until they end up in a tight row. They speak collegially and the camera following their faces forms a triangle (the triangle is reputed to be the most stable form for a structure). |
18:22 [...] except with an obvious argumentThe word used in Arabic translated as "obvious" is ẓahiran, which means "manifest (whereas previously latent)". This word comes from the root ẓ-h-r which generates seemingly distant meanings from each other. It gives the nouns back (of the body) and midday (when the sun is high) and also the verb to manifest.
Conclusion
There is only one root ظهر √ẓhr, which results from the crossing of the etymons {ẓ,r} and {h,r}.
– By the etymon {ẓ,r}, this root comes under the matrix of the throat and neck. Its semanticism is mainly oriented towards the back perceived as the extension of the back part of the neck, the nape of the neck. The etymon {h,r} only comes in reinforcement in the items relating to the notions of brilliance, midday, appearing, etc.
– But as there is only one word ظَهْر ẓahr to designate both the back of bipeds and that of quadrupeds, the root ظهر √ẓhr comes, by enantiosemy, to express both what is in the back of some, therefore behind them, hidden, invisible, and what is on the backs of others, therefore above, salient, shining, uncovered, visible.
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Qur'an 18:22 | The Simpsons - highlight |
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18:22 "[...] except with an obvious [ẓahiran] argument" | "You kids should thank your mother. Now that she's a better person we can see how awful we really are." (⇢ read [ẓahiran] below the table ⬇️) |
18:22 [...] and do not inquire about them among [the speculators] from anyone.The word used in Arabic translated as "to inquire" is tastafti. It is a verb formed from the root f-t-y which is declined in different meanings. From this root comes the word fatan which is used in this same surah (n°18) under its two definitions, "young men of sound judgment" (fit'yatun) and "servant/valet/slave" (lifatahu).
Qur'an 18:22 | The Simpsons - triangle |
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18:22 "[...] and do not inquire1️⃣ about them2️⃣ among [the speculators] from anyone." | "I'm going to ask people if they know their servants3️⃣' last names or, in the case of butlers, their first." | "No! No! No! Not tonight!" |
18:23 And never say of anything, "Indeed, I will do that tomorrow,"▶ The Simpsons - sir; Back to the "sir" scene.
18:24 Except [when adding], "If Allah wills." And remember your Lord when you forget [it] and say, "Perhaps my Lord will guide me to what is nearer than this to right conduct."
For once, maybe someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene".I think I can reconstruct some semblance of Homer's line by drawing on the two ayat above:
The Simpsons - sir | Qur'an 18:[23-24] |
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maybe someone will | 18:24 Perhaps my Lord will |
call me | 18:23 "wala taqulanna" (And never say). "qul" means "say". An emphatic suffix is added to give the form "-qulanna"; that is phonetically close to qul-'ana' (ana = me, I) ~~> qul 'me' ~~> call me. |
sir | ? (⇢ read [?] below the table ⬇️) |
without adding | 18:24 Except [when adding] |
"you're making | 18:23 "Indeed, I will do |
a scene" | 18:23 that. "that" refers to "of anything" or more precisely to lishay'in; li[of]-shay'in[a thing]. I find that the /sh/ and /s/ sounds are often interchangeable in this kind of comparison. Which leads me to say that the English word scene and the Arabic word shay'in are 🔊 consonant. |
▶ The Simpsons - sir; Homer says: "For once, maybe someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene"."In the Columbo video, the character reacts to being called "sir" by reciting a line of dialogue from a scene in Macbeth: Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, Macbeth - Act5, scene 5.
▶ Columbo - sir; The character hears himself called "sir" and arguably, he's making a scene...
- Is this your signature?
- Yes, sir.
- You don't have to call me "sir". Is this your signature?
- Sir, yes, sir.
- You certainly don't need to do it twice in one sentence.
[...]
- What's a garden variety Code Red?
- Sir?
- Harold, you say "sir", I turn around and look for my father.
Qur'an 18:24 | The Simpsons - sir | A Few Good Men - sir |
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18:24 Except [when adding], "If Allah wills." And remember your Lord when you forget [it] and say, "Perhaps my Lord will guide me to what is nearer than this to right conduct." | Homer says: "For once, maybe someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene"." In other words, that his conduct would be in accordance with etiquette. | "What's a Code Red?" | "Sir, a Code Red is a disciplinary engagement." | "What's that mean exactly?" | "Sir, a Marine falls out of line, it's up to the men in his unit to get him back on track." |
And they remained in their cave for three hundred years and exceeded by nine.▶ The Simpsons - thirty-three hundred; Marge's confession:
We'll have a thirty-three hundred dollars credit at Chanel.
Qur'an 18:25 | The Simpsons - thirty-three hundred |
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18:25 And they remained in their cave for three hundred years [...] | "We'll have a thirty-three hundred dollars credit at Chanel." |
18:25 [...] and exceeded by nine | "We'll have a thirty*️⃣-three hundred dollars credit at Chanel." |
And keep yourself patient [by being] with those who call upon their Lord in the morning and the evening, seeking His countenance. And let not your eyes pass beyond them, desiring adornments of the worldly life, and do not obey one whose heart We have made heedless of Our remembrance and who follows his desire and whose affair is ever [in] neglect.▶ The Simpsons - face to face; Marge faces a dilemma.
Qur'an 18:28 | The Simpsons - face to face |
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18:28 "And keep yourself patient [by being] with those who call upon their Lord in the morning and the evening, seeking His countenance1️⃣." | "Come here, Maggie. Oh, Homie I like your in-your-face humanity. I like the way Lisa speaks her mind. I like Bart's... I like Bart." |
18:28 "And let not your eyes pass beyond them, desiring adornments of the worldly life" | The main character in the scene first turns her gaze away from the other characters to look in the direction of the reception room, then changes her mind and looks back to them. Facing each of them, one after the other. |
18:28 "and do not obey one whose heart We have made heedless of Our remembrance" | "Come on, let's go. I wouldn't want to join any club that would have this me as a member." |
18:28 "and who follows his desire and whose affair is ever [in] neglect2️⃣." | "I didn't have to spend our savings on this stupid gown." |
18:29 And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place.▶ The Simpsons - surrounded; The Simpsons ignore the reception and go to Krusty Burger.
18:30 Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds - indeed, We will not allow to be lost the reward of any who did well in deeds.
18:31 Those will have gardens of perpetual residence; beneath them rivers will flow. They will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and will wear green garments of fine silk and brocade, reclining therein on adorned couches. Excellent is the reward, and good is the resting place.
Qur'an 18:[29-31] | The Simpsons - surrounded |
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18:29 "[...] Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them." | Shot of the exterior of the clubhouse, from which a dense yellowish light emanates: 👁️🗨️ The Simpsons - fire walls |
18:29 "And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil*️⃣" | A character drinks a yellow liquid: 👁️🗨️ The Simpsons - molten brass |
18:29 "which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place." | The liquid-drinking character is visually superimposed on another character behind her, whose face will soon express disgust. Followed by a transition shot of a face emitting a bright pulsating light. See ▶ The Simpsons - burning face |
18:31 "[...] beneath them rivers will flow." | The floor is washed with water just below where the main characters are seated. |
18:31 "[...] and will wear green garments of fine silk and brocade," | (⇢ read [Green and Silk] below the table ⬇️) |
18:31 "reclining therein on adorned couches" | The main characters are seated on comfortable banquettes. |
18:31 "Excellent is the reward, and good is the resting place." | "But, you know, we realized we're more comfortable in a place like this." |
[...] and will wear green garments of fine silk and brocadeThe whole surah revolves around the idea of comparison between two parties, I see here the entanglement of the notions of life in the "gardens of perpetual residence" and life in this world. I explain, green garments enters the lexical field of gardens while silk is part of the aspirations of this world.
18:29 And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." [...]
Qur'an 18:29 | Qur'an 18:[30-31] |
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18:29 "[...] Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them." | 18:30 "Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds - indeed, We will not allow to be lost the reward of any who did well in deeds." |
18:29 "[...] And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place." | 18:31 "Those will have gardens of perpetual residence; beneath them rivers will flow. They will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and will wear green garments of fine silk and brocade, reclining therein on adorned couches. Excellent is the reward, and good is the resting place." |
Marge | Busboy |
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"But, you know, we realized we're more comfortable in a place like this." | "Man, you're crazy. This place is a dump. Oh man, I'd be anywhere except this place, that's for sure." |
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Some investors have started using the term ‘Sole Legal Title’ to refer to an investor who owns shares in their own name exclusively, on the issuer ledger, without any other entities involved (no nominees, no custodians, etc). ‘Pure DRS’ holdings would represent ‘Sole Legal Title’ while owning shares through a Plan or in an IRA with a custodian would not. Is there a better /more official term for this kind of ownership? An SEC bulletin uses the phrase ‘DRS Form’.
Can you explain in detail exactly how the holding works for Plan shares held at the DTC? Are those shares considered "non-investor owned"? If so, what does that mean exactly? Are non-investor shares mutually exclusive with other holding types? What are the actual account types that CS uses to interface with the DTCC with for DRS purposes?
Which of the following descriptions would you say best describes Plan shares held with DTC for operational efficiency purposes: “held by Cede & Co on behalf of the Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation” OR “held by registered holders with the transfer agent”
Currently, the common understanding is that Dingo & Co is a nominee used by Computershare for investors in DirectStock to enable features such as fractional shares and fungible bulk holdings. Individual investors names are listed as a subclass, which are on the issuer ledger under the name Dingo & Co. This is a form of beneficial ownership, but is not street name ownership, as shares purchased or through plan are removed from the DTC. Is this an accurate description of ownership structure?
In June 2023, the SEC’s OIEA and FINRA released bulletins (excerpts below) certifying that investors who purchased through plan and wished to hold shares directly on the issuer ledger needed to transfer those shares from plan to DRS. The CS FAQ uses similar language. Both Plan and DRS investors appear named on the issuer ledger. Could you describe the process of the Plan -> DRS transfer described here, and how the ownership record changes as a result?
When Shares are transferred from a brokerage to a Computershare account, only whole shares can be transferred and documents from computershare say “DTC Stock Withdrawals (DRS)”. Are shares purchased through DRP/DSPP also “DTC Stock Withdrawals (DRS)”, but withdrawn to Computershare’s nominee rather than the investor?
If the reported DRS totals for an issuer for the last 5 quarters straight are consistent (within rounding of ~100k shares), what are some possible explanations for why this might be?
Is it possible any quantity of registered shares are not being counted in the total reported to the company for any reason? (plan designated, DRS shares, fractionals, "operational efficiency", etc) Per CS FAQ, issuers are provided Plan and Book holdings tallies separately.
If an investor has a Computershare Investor Center account that's holding shares of designation "Book", does enrolling that account in the DirectStock Plan have any effect on who holds title to those shares? Specifically, do they remain DRS (DRS Form/Pure DRS), or do those shares become held in the Plan? Does it matter the method by which the account is enrolled (such as: plan purchase, DRIP activation, or setting a limit sell order)?
If an investor is enrolled in the DirectStock plan, are all the shares (DRS and plan) in their account considered plan-enrolled shares per the Computershare FAQ?
Is Computershare (or their subsidiary, nominee, or chosen broker dealer) compensated by the DTC, the Issuer, or any other third party for maintaining operational efficiency?
How could an investor of a given security learn the exact number of shares kept with DTC for OE% by Computershare on a given date?
Are shares of any given security owned by accounts enrolled in the DirectStock plan maintained in fungible bulk and held by Computershare’s nominee?
Near the end of the 5/2/23 YouTube video “An update on Fractional and Plan Shares”, you said there was a "mischaracterization" of the problem online. What did you mean?
Are DRS designated shares pulled into the plan when DRP/DSPP (DirectStock) is enabled, or are only Plan designated shares affected by enrollment?
Under what circumstances (if any) would DRS shares held with Computershare for which Cede & Co is not the registered holder be held at the DTC?
Under what circumstances (if any) would Plan shares held with Computershare for which Cede & Co is not the registered holder be held at the DTC?
Can you confirm if there are currently any ongoing corrections or dispute resolutions involving Direct Registration transactions, specifically using the '396 (Direct Registration Reclaim DK-Without Memo Seg)' code, that have impacted reportable DRS numbers in any stock significantly?Could you provide details on how the application of the '396' transaction code for Direct Registration Reclaim DK-Without Memo Seg activities is being monitored to ensure the integrity of DRS numbers?
Could you speculate as to why an issuer might choose to adjust the language in their 10Q/K of the way they report DRS totals, or what a change in language could imply? For example, if an issuer reported DRS shares as “directly registered” for almost two years and then changed the language to “registered” alone.
Why does the issuer name come up on bank statements when purchasing through DirectStock?
Computershare has indicated in the FAQ that it is up to individual issuers to disclose shares in DSPP in their tally of directly registered shares, and that such a disclosure may be subject to legislation and regulation. Could you direct us to the relevant legislation and regulation?
Do you feel that a recurring and predictable schedule for recurring buys creates an issue for recurring buyers? Predictable price movement can lead to arbitrage opportunities and can result in worse outcomes for plan participants in terms of dollars invested/shares owned.
Who, besides DTCC, can see ownership records of DTC members at the DTCC?
When participants log into the FAST system at the DTCC for DRS functionality, can they see anything about shares that the DTCC holds? The user manual for the FAST system has a DRS section but it is only a couple of pages with some screenshots, not granular data.
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