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2024.05.21 17:30 Individual_Ad1193 How to have Cassia denounce her duty as novator?
From what I have seen so far, it's the only way for me to not become a cuck or have to reload a save from hours ago just so I can propose a political marriage myself. For some reasons, I can't marry cassia both for our love and political means.
for your information, there are more than one way to conceive childs, from test tube babies to straight up cloning. She could have had her eggs taken from her womb and fertilize it with some radom navigator's semen and have some other female to carry out the birthing process to continue her bloodline for all I care, and none of this process involves marrying off to someone you don't like and thus cuckolding your lover.
In the same note, may the writer of Cassia's endings rot eternally in Nurgle's garden forever being feasted upon by the worms and microorganisms there while feeling the pain of being eaten alive at every moment.
Sincerely yours, a player who enjoyed the romance way too much and somehow actually fell in love with a digital character
p.s. those who apologize for this bad writing are cuckolds, and I have no respect for them
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for your information, there are more than one way to conceive childs, from test tube babies to straight up cloning. She could have had her eggs taken from her womb and fertilize it with some radom navigator's semen and have some other female to carry out the birthing process to continue her bloodline for all I care, and none of this process involves marrying off to someone you don't like and thus cuckolding your lover.
In the same note, may the writer of Cassia's endings rot eternally in Nurgle's garden forever being feasted upon by the worms and microorganisms there while feeling the pain of being eaten alive at every moment.
Sincerely yours, a player who enjoyed the romance way too much and somehow actually fell in love with a digital character
p.s. those who apologize for this bad writing are cuckolds, and I have no respect for them
2024.05.17 21:52 Consistent_Pea_1374 Found the source of the leak
(Sorry for typos or grammatical errors I’m on my phone and it’s a ton of info to edit.)
At this point I’m a 99 percent sure Diddy is the one pulling the strings behind the Kendrick and Drake beef.
At this point I’m a 99 percent sure Diddy is the one pulling the strings behind the Kendrick and Drake beef. I believe that Al B. Sure! was planing to release all the info he had on Diddy in 2022, but may have been poisoned beforehand similar to theories about Diddys’s ex wife Kim Porter who was originally married to Kim before Diddy stole her away along with Al’s son, also Diddy’s stepson Quincy. Diddy has also been directly tied to the murders or mysterious deaths of at least a half a dozen more people who were close associates from the beginning of his career and were key players in the formation of Bad Boy. Coincidentally many of the victims had either exposed or were threatening to expose evidence related to all of these crimes. They are also using Keefe D. to take the charge for 2Pacs murder so he can spin the story and leave out and ties to Diddy who ordered the hit or did it himself.
Unfortunately for Diddy, unlike the rest of the people he had successfully silenced in the past, Al ended up coming out of his coma and revealing all the info he had on Diddy, including that he was responsible for him falling into a coma. After he came out of the coma Diddy knew he was about to go down and before the raid he destroyed and staged all of his homes with evidence that would verify all the claims related to other celebrities over the age of 18. Meanwhile he got rid of all the videos involving murder, sa, child abuse, bestiality and other evidence that would bring major charges. This is so he can cooperate with the Feds and help reduce his sentence. If he hid all the evidence they would know and work overtime to find it. Instead he lied by omission and corroborated the accusations that won’t completely destroy him. He can then release all his dirt to seem like he made all the blackmail with the intention of bringing down known predators who were able to get away with the same things he’s guilty of.
In the video of Diddy in the wig, he talks about partying with Drake and The Weekend and I believe he was able to acquire the blackmail. He then released the blackmail to selected people to ensure they leak at the appropriate time. The plan is to publicly out Drake for sex crimes so the rest of Hollywood knows not to testify against him. During the auction mentioned by ebony prince they are going to auction off all the dirt Diddy has collected the last 30 years. This includes dirt on Trump, which may be the reason behind all of this. The auction is four days after Election Day and will be used as a fail safe in case Trump wins the election.
I’m trying my best to add everything, just struggling because I have like 30 pages worth of write ups. If you want more evidence I have a ton, on my other account, I don’t want to spam so just dm me if you want additional evidence. The full post above is multiple pages long so I just chose the important part because very few people on here have the attention span for it.
You don’t have to believe it, it’s just my personal opinions, but they are based on facts and about 80 hours of research.
https://www.reddit.comRationalSchizo812020/s/IsgRSkK8KM
Check out the post covering Diddy, Drake, Kendrick, and Kanye
Two articles about modern sex cults still in operation: https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/28/new-york-satanic-cult-764-fbi
https://www.complex.com/life/a/brad-callas/accused-cult-leader-nature-boy-sentenced-to-life
Yesterday I found Ye’s full interview with The Download from before the beef blew up. It discusses a lot of my connections and hints that Ye is partially involved. You can skip to around 13 minutes in.
(Recently the charges against Lucian Grange were dropped showing he most likely is working behind the scenes as well and has some influence. He may be related to the leak as well. He could have also been the one who supplied the blackmail. Another alternative is Diddy went to the feds on his own accord, but when multiple lawsuits pop up very quickly, especially after thirty years of avoiding charges related to tons of sketchy shit, it usually means there is some type of coordination. Look at TI and his wife’s allegations and what lead up to those events.)
Full post:
This is all speculation so please don’t victim blame or spread conspiracies about a possible survivor of C.S abuse. This is why many don’t come forward. All I’m trying to do is point out the large amount of details surrounding the rumor that stand out as odd to me. By no means does this dismiss his claims. I’m not a lawyer, but if he was suing my client, this is some of the evidence I would use in the case.
Before I start I need to put in a small disclaimer. **The subjects I covered in my essay are well known to be linked to conspiracy theory communities that have been equated to terrorist groups. The end goal of a lot of these communities is to promote political divide, antisemetism, homophobia, and violence. I think the ultimate goal is to create such a massive gap between the left and right that the two party system fails and we fall into anarchy allowing the people who really pull the strings to restructure and in order to retain their power. It’s already evident that Biden isn’t able to do nearly as much as he could do if he didn’t have to consider the opposing party’s majority vote as well. Whoever wins I feel the results will be the same, violent protests aiming to reverse the vote. If this is achieved it will be the death of democracy in America.
I highly encourage anyone who identifies with either political party and are attracted to controversial subjects or consider themselves to be contrarian to please look out for any conspiracies that seem to be targeted towards you or the community you’re a part of. If they share similar ideas to the findings I made in my research, please do not engage.
I’ve watched the conception and the eventual downfalls off the P-gate and Q conspiracy communities. It didn’t take me long to figure out the eventual end game and step back from the community while continuing independent research. If you’re letting someone else to the research for you, you really need to be sure to trust the source and be aware of possible ulterior motives. It’s really dangerous territory though, filled with hidden traps that can draw you in and send you so deep that you either end up going into psychosis from the stress and paranoid, or you do what I did and step back for the sake of your mental health. I hate even sharing things like this because I know it may not have the effect I intended, but on the other hand people who are new to these subjects and conspiracies really, really need to take them seriously. They are not just games on the internet and there is a reason members of these communities have to hide in the shadows and lure people into their dark corners. There is also reason why they target the groups they do and I’ve noted a huge effort to indoctrinate people in rap community, the content creator community, and the celebrity gossip communities. I’ll let you guys draw your own conclusions as to why this is. I assume if you read this far you’re not dumb.
Once you’re stuck in their web it’s very difficult for most people to find their way back to society without seeing examples everywhere. I hope this is able to at least help one person who might be teetering on the edge of these rabbit holes. It’s not worth it and if I wasn’t sober and taking my meds, Id probably end up having a psychotic break. If you feel like you may be approaching that point you can still quit while you’re ahead.
Here are just a few of the things you can do to keep yourself from spiraling.
Take a step back for a while and focus on other things. Taking a hiatus from social media is crucial. If you can’t control yourself maybe detach from the news and internet entirely for a couple days. Even a long weekend can make a MASSIVE difference.
Try to get a good nights sleep and consider taking melatonin or an over the counter sleep aid.
Spend some time with friends or loved ones.
Eat some good, somewhat healthy, food and stay hydrated.
Try to get some sun and consider taking a walk or doing some other form of exercise.
Volunteer or do something to help your community if you want to continue working to benefit society.
Try to read a book or spend some time doing your favorite hobbies that aren’t related to any of the subjects I discuss below. Without further ado…
Ties Between Drake, Kendrick Lamar, and Violent Antigovernment Conspiracies
I recently saw an article about Bryshere Gray, a rappeactor best known for his role in Empire. He was born in Philadelphia and started rapping at 16. His manager Craig Mack, who facilitated his big break by getting him a role on the TV series Empire, is life long friends with Will Smith. Currently there are conflicting claims about whether he is currently suing or planning to sue Will Smith and P. Diddy for s. abusing him as a minor. It’s rumored he is trying to get 50 million dollars in damages. That number alone seems suspicious to me. That’s 20 million more than Cassie got and she dated and lived with Diddy for over a decade.
One of the other things I noticed off the jump was the fact that the only sources regarding the case were on social media along with one article on MSN, which is known for being a nest of clickbait journalism. Essentially they are the written version of gossip videos made by content creators. The only evidence I could find in these videos were a few short clips from his socials where is talking about the negative sides of fame and a clip of him on the red carpet with Will Smith. This might hint towards suppression, but I’m leaning toward this whole story being bullshit.
The only connection I found between him and Diddy is a song he did with 2 Chainz and Fabolous, the latter being signed to Bad Boy. He ended up getting signed to Columbia which falls under the Sony Music Entertainment while Bad Boy is under UMG. Considering these rumors came about a while back he hasn’t mentioned it at all as far as I know. Some might argue this could be a product of friction between labels or that he included Diddy because everyone knows he’s going down. On the other hand if he is a victims he may not have wanted his story told and doesn’t want to stoke the rumors by responding whether they’re true or not.
One of the biggest things that led me to question the validity of the claims is the fact that 90 percent of the sources I found were using a three minute clip from an interview with one of the top content creators on YouTube, I’ll call her J. At this point I’m 99 percent sure J is an opp, whether she knows it or not. She told his story in vivid detail accusing Will and Jada of luring young artists with promises of mentorship, then involving them in their bedroom activities.
It’s not really a stretch to think that Will might have a cuckold fetish and probably swings both ways. Two things that could ruin you in the 90’s, but neither or them could do more damage to their careers then they have already done by airing out intimate details of their relationship to the public. However the allegations involving minors are complete heresay. This leads me to believe these are just rumors from the 90’s updated to include modern conspiracy theories. J clearly also clearly has some homophobic tendencies, but uses her bisexuality as a pass to bash on most black gay men and even straight men who she claims to be gay. It’s all too obvious she still holds onto resentment over her career never taking off while a lot of the people she collaborated with turned into megastars which is a huge motivator for her content. She clearly still lives in the nineties when these type of allegations alone could seriously damage your career.
In Bryshere’s case, regardless if any of the details she shared were true, they shouldn’t have been aired to the public by anyone but Gray himself. This isn’t the first time J has leaked recordings, exploited, or stolen from victims she claimed to be advocating for. She has even doxxed victims by starting a women’s group for sa survivors and recording all their meetings. She eventually leaked some, claiming they were trying sabotage the group. When the rest found out or were threatened themselves, the group was quickly dissolved and covered up. Considering her track record it’s not unlikely that if true, she released Gray’s story after trying to ask for a payoff and not receiving it. Considering their is no evidence they’ve even met, it’s more likely she’s just reporting on local rumors considering her and Gray are both from Philly and now both live in the Dallas. It’s very important to look at J’s history to see the bigger picture here.
My theory is J was given permission to share her story detailing the dark side of the industry and promised protection if she also included certain details that they provided to her. If true, the motive could have been to help her home channel gain credibility and attract a large viewer base so they can manipulate the message. I believe these people do know some shit about some people, and they want to get out ahead and make sure they only go after their rivals.
I followed J, an up and coming influencer, to examine to see if I noticed any obvious agendas and stumbled upon a full blown conspiracy. I use as an example started with very levelheaded claims that were easy to digest and over the course of five years this influence lured in their viewers with insider knowledge that turned out to be true and by the end was spouting rumors that are easily traceable to certain movements that have been tied to antisemetism, anti LBGTQ, and violent ideologies. It started slow with a few buzzwords and before you knew it the comment sections had been taken over. She started by luring in the celebrity gossip community, specifically people over the age of 40, who treat gossip blogs like the gospel. It’s obvious why this community has been chosen as a target, and I’ve seen recently to rap community is not much better. I imagine whoever is orchestrating this campaign probably wasn’t expecting it to be this easy.
We very well may be witnessing a controlled takedown and the purpose usually is to take out any liabilities while painting their innocence. If a lot of sick people get outed for terrible crimes most people will assume the Feds weeded out all the bad seeds. It would be a public win for the FEDs and would address any criticism aimed at them and those in the industry who have been facing pressure to deal with these types of issues for at least 3 decades. It will also assuage a lot of the conspiracy communities who have been trying to bring light to these issues. I definitely believe the people they chose to take the rap are going to take the charges for all their co conspirators, so those close to them don’t catch any charges. This would be very important in a R.I.C.O. case.
After they’ve completed their mission and their message has been delivered they will then allow these messengers to continue to capitalize on their channel’s popularity. This way they could still manipulate to spread whatever they choose whenever it’s deemed it to be necessary, It probably won’t work too many times before people catch on. In they want to continue making content they can force them to dig up their old dirt. They could also easily provide them with a list of names they are and aren’t allowed to talk about. My guess is they know that most of them aren’t going to be able to find anything, and since they picked people willing to to say any thing for money, they know they will continue to do it with or without relevant information.
They could also continue aiding her in an effort to further the spread disinformation as a preemptive measure. They may threaten harm or violence if the view counts dip below a certain amount to prevent the messenger from self sabotaging in case they need to get their message to the massesIf in the future. If they do ever need them again to do the same thing or are themselves being targetted, they can use their messengers to discredit the facts about them and shine light on those who are leveling the allegations.
You may be wondering what if the enemy finds them and pays them more to doublecross their handlers? They can then use their messenger’s mental illness and paint them and their viewers as violent or mentally ill members of a disinformation cult and either blackmail them into retracting their claims or label them and their listeners as a disinformation cult that happened to be right about some things. Mental health issues can also help paint the narrative that the messenger is suicidal so they can take her out easier if needed. In the case of J it’s not out of the realm of possibility considering her recent struggle and probably played a big part in choosing her to be their mouth piece. since they can use her mental illness at any time to discredit her or create plausible deniability if any connection is made between them and they need to go to court to prove the opposite.
She’s such a wildcard their is no way they would’ve recruited her if they didn’t have an iron clad manipulation tactic with multiple failsafes in place. Usually threatening to kill someones entire family works just fine, but she doesn’t seem to be too worried about her families safety. This is why I think it’s the big labels going after their own artists because they know they’re probably going to get busted soon. Also studios rarely sign you and give you a good deal if they don’t have some type of dirt in case the artist to keep them in line, and use them for their own personal gains. They can also keep them from going after the messenger and better ensure their safety. If they had her go after another label’s artists they probably wouldn’t be able to cover all the bases when it comes to protection, which with J is necessary since she never has any security detail and constantly doxxes herself and her family on live.
While going though her interviews it became very clear to me something was very fishy off the rip. It became obvious after watching sections from all four of her main interviews that as time went on she began incorporating more and more lies and more and more ridiculous conspiracies into the narrative. For most people as soon as they hear a blatant lie they immediately write off anything coming from the source. Most people don’t do their own research so if the messenger tells a couple little white lies with a dramatic flair they can get away with it for a while. The more lies though the higher the chance of them getting called out and losing a portion of their audience as well as making any truth information that can’t be verified sound sketchy.
As I’ve said before J first two interviews do have a lot of verifiable claims, juxtaposed with her life story, and a few blatant lies. One thing I noticed is the majority of her allegations are against artists from her hometown in Philadelphia who were breaking into the industry around the same time as she was and managed to make their way to the top of their respective industries. Sadly neither of J’s two albums were well received and she lost her opportunity because of her combative personality mixed with major narcissism.
After her music career didn’t pan out she moved to Dallas, Texas to try to rebrand. After her son was murdered in 2018, similar to her career, her mental health took appeared to take a nosedive. Before the first interview in 2020, apparently rumors were floating around she was living out of cars and motels. She then met her husband who was ex-military and it seemed like he really built her up and helped her, possibly even writing the stories. In that first interview she accused multiple artists of mistreatment as well as assault. It went semi-viral and a good portion of the accused either provided evidence to contradict her or said the don’t want to go into it, and they seemed to know the situation and feel bad for her. The rapper Common, who she claimed had abused her even said he hopes she’s ok and wished her well. A lot of her fans took this and twisted them into him being guilty because he didn’t go off on a rant trying to claim his innocence and shit on J like they were expecting.
I belief either before or after the first interview got some attention she was contacted and either paid or blackmailed into doing another interview where she was fed information, some truth some lies, and told to mix it in to her life story. I also think her husband may have been one of her handlers. My suspicions stem from the fact that he popped up not long before the first interview and married her after like 3 weeks. I also noticed his way of speaking was also was very similar to J’s and he’d even use similar vocal inflections and speech patterns. They also displayed a lot of similar quirks. Another coincide is he claimed he was responsible for most of the technical support and played a huge part in establishing her online presence. He claimed to have learned everything in a day, and apparently people were shocked at how quickly he learned how to code websites and manage her accounts. A few weeks after getting married she had already made him a fifty/fifty partner for the a new television network she was promoting around the time, but was designed to steal peoples money.
She returned for a second interview in December 2022 and during her second video she mentioned Diddy and dropped a lot of information regarding his current case, his connections to many celebrities, and many specific details about their lives only an insider would have access to. Still there wasn’t much evidence to verify a good portion of her claims until Cassie filed her lawsuit a couple weeks later. I’m almost positive whoever is trying to bring Diddy to justice is connected to whoever is giving her all this info. During the interview J once again eloquently details the dark side of the industry.
Unfortunately her second interview was overshadowed by two separate incidents that both occurred only a few days later and were also caught on her live stream. First she was arrested at a Chicago airport for losing her mind at the security checkpoint. Not much longer after that during an apparent psychotic break, she was filmed in a barbershop parking lot abusing her husband then taking her sons ashes and throwing them her husband and his friends while acting like she was literally possessed. In a later interview she claimed to have Dissociate Identity Disorder from all the trauma and admitted that it was the cause of her psychotic breaks, which totally applies if someone was severely abused at a young age like she has claimed is the case. Eventually she was restrained by the police, strapped down, and tied to a stretcher.
After she got out of a mental hospital a couple days later, her and her soon to ex-husband did a couple separate interviews followed by one where they both discussed to situation together. Before the joint interview their original stories did not line up at all. From their description of events it’s obvious she was cheating and he seems intelligent enough to that, but instead claims the now leader of the Carbon Nation sex cult we’ll call Sol. According to their story he hypnotized her the first time they met and manipulated her into joining her and her husband on their planned weekend roadtrip after meeting in person for the first time. He also forced her into saying she wanted to kill her husband multiple times and letting him touch all over her while they were all in the car together. After that she went on and shared a painfully detailed description of the abuse she suffered as a child all they up until she left the industry. Not much longer after that her husband filed for divorce, further contributing to the spiral.
About three months ago she did another interview that clearly was made by someone else and was loaded with editing mistakes and long gaps without sound that are so muffled you can barely hear them. She also obvious took clips of the interviewer from previous interviews and pasted them together to form new questions and edited them in between her responses. This is also where her claims were all either recycled or included the wildest pizzagate rumors. Then as always she included them in her personal anecdotes so people feel bad for questioning her. The last interview I saw came out less than a week ago and it was even worse than the last and it seems like she’s now just shitposting and seeing how much she can get away with and sadly as expected most people are still eating it up out of the palm of their hand. People who literally worship these influencers like Gods.
Sorry for the giant tangent, but it seems obvious to me that the husband and the two interviewers were all working together. He dressed her up, got her sober and kept her on her meds so she could deliver these interviews. At the same time she was the one who agreed to literally sell her soul and I believe she conscientiously made the decision to scam others. I think everything with Sol was either planned by the three of them or at least the two men who both appeared randomly and were obviously both manipulators. They used their, “divorce,” to really kick things into overdrive and then either both left her there jobs were done. In my humble opinion it’s more likely that they are all mentally ill, desperate for money, and playing roles that were assigned to them for a very specific purpose. I’m almost positive the whole marriage was a sham to help contribute to the narrative that everything in the first two videos was true, until she lost her mind because of the DID, PTSD, and stress.
The last thing I’ll mention before getting back to Bryshere Gray is how I found it interesting that she chose a DID diagnosis. Bipolar used to be a big one, but most people these days know at least one person with it, and it’s easier to tell when people are faking. DID and BPD are the trendy ones now because they aren’t as well understood and easier to fake or play up for the camera. The large numbers of people obviously faking their symptoms, based off the symptoms of some influencer who is also faking. This makes it very difficult to know what’s . It’s also commonly brought up in more radical conspiracy groups as being part of the satanic agenda or brainwash people. I think they were intentionally trying to attract people who would get anything related to the movement send to the deep corners of the internet where those types tend to hide.
This all leads me to the wildest connection of the story. In 2015, when Gray joined Columbia Records, he was signed alongside his future Empire costar Jussie Smollett who ended up playing his older brother. For those who don’t know or remember in 2019, Jussie Smollett was found guilty of staging a hate crime against himself somewhere around the 4th season of he show. The expensive investigation revealed the motivation was political after revealing Michellle Obama’s form chief of staff reached out to Smollett’s lawyer and requested the case be handed over to the FBI. His lawyer then forward the request to Chicago’s Superintendent who approved the request and the case was dropped. After a massive uproar, pitting democrats and republicans against each other, he was resentenced in December 2019 and to this day his legal defense team is still trying to drag out the case so the prosecutor just drops the charges and they don’t have to admit guilt. (If interested the Wikipedia article sums up the whole thing very well.)
Up until his arrest for domestic violence over three years ago where he was caught multiple times lying to the police in his interview, he was found guilty. Seemingly overnight his career tanked and he essentially disappeared and clearly seemed to be dealing with some mental health issues. I find it interesting that after four years of silence he’s just deciding to come out now, and if this case is real in the first place I wonder if anyone is going to draw all these connections.
Aside from Smollett and Gray, the cast list attached to the TV series Empire reveals a lot of connections to a lot of high powered figures with strange connections to this whole conspiracy. A good example of one of these connections is Terrence Howards’s character, a top record label president named Lucious. After skimming the first season’s plot points, some appeared to be directly based on attributes commonly associated with Diddy.
When I looked a little deeper I found that Howard, who also originates from Philadelphia, was cast as the lead actor on the show, while still finding the time to deliver his infamous guest lectures around the world. The main focus of the lectures was discussing the theory he hypothesized which he appropriately named, “Terryology.” This came after being blacklisted from the industry for nearly seven years prior for beating up a crew member and being convicted of multiple domestic violence charges. After the incident with the crew member in 2008, it was revealed Howard had been replaced by Don Cheadle in the sequel to his last hit movie, Iron Man.
Around the same time in 2008, he also signed a record deal with no other than Columbia Records. This came a few years before his infamous on screen sons joined a the same label years later. This can definitely be connected to Howard’s relationship with Gray’s manager Charlie Mack. Some other people who made guest appearances on the show include Naomi Campbell, Cassie, Cuba Gooding Jr, and Mary J. Blige.
The creator of the show Lee Daniel’s, the popular democratic activist whose connections go all the way up to the Obama’s, Oprah, and the Clintons. (Before I go any further, please don’t go down this rabbit hole much further, and to the people who use these type of stories to promote their agendas and spark even more political discord. Now more then ever we need to reel in both the far left and far right and meet as close to the middle as possible or else both candidates are going to continue to be worse every election. Please keep any comments politically neutral. I hate both candidates and I’m simply making connections and could care less who wins the upcoming election.
I think what we’re seeing now regarding Drake, Kendrick, Diddy, and people like Bryshere Gray and J and other influencers and content creators are all be used as weapons to distract people from something major going down and the fact that it’s only getting crazier every day, it appears whatever I’m referring to is yet to come, but won’t be long. Please keep all of this in mind before you start trying to research subjects like these. You may realize that some of the ideologies that have been chastised and tied to violence have been saying these types of things for years, and most of their evidence has been proven already or align with everything we’re seeing.
The paid protestors at Columbia is another example of political theater. Here is where people make the connection to Semetism and where most subscribers theories go off the fucking rails. Just because a lot of these things can be tied to Israel and Jewish Americans, a lot of people like to blame them for all the worlds problems, what they don’t realize is most of this stems from cultural traditions and generational wealth that was gained through hard work and promotion of high education. This has resulted in the majority of Jewish Americans holding more wealth than the average Christian household and most if this stems purely from jealousy and fucking Hitler. This is why the majority of people who go all in on these types of theories don’t have any further education than a high school diploma.
I know this doesn’t make them all dumb, but even a lot of very intelligent people like Ye and other major public figures got sucked into these communities without realizing they were part of the same agenda they were trying to expose. That’s how you end up with Ye saying he loves Hitler in a public interview and promoting Trump for president and supporting the fucking, “white lives matter,” movement along with the Candace Owen, the republicans answer to AOC. Even people with more formal education and fewer biases can and have been successfully targeted by these communities. It’s been shown time and time again that many of these recruiters who have been in their respective communities since their inception usually end up end reaching the same conclusions and the more people there are to confirm your beliefs or suspicions, the more likely it is you’ll accept everything else in they say as true. (This is a very similar conclusion the one I reached in my essay about J).
My belief is someone from the same circle that J was in during her singing career are the same people who reached out to Katt Williams and other blacklisted artists with long recorded histories of mental illness and substance abuse problems to lie by omission and allowing them to release preselected pieces of evidence without repercussions. They could easily know what information the Feds were able to acquire. They then had her leak those details to the public so when the details to come out it makes she can work with the Feds and dismiss any other allegations even if they are true. Obviously it won’t determine the outcome, but it can definitely go a long way in making sure certain details of the defendant choosing can be struck from the record if the evidence isn’t good enough.
At this point I’m a 99 percent sure Diddy is the one pulling the strings behind the Kendrick and Drake beef. I believe that Al B. Sure! was planing to release all the info he had on Diddy in 2022, but may have been poisoned beforehand similar to theories about Diddys’s ex wife Kim Porter who was originally married to Kim before Diddy stole her away along with Al’s son, also Diddy’s stepson Quincy. Diddy has also been directly tied to the murders or mysterious deaths of at least a half a dozen more people who were close associates from the beginning of his career and were key players in the formation of Bad Boy. Coincidentally many of the victims had either exposed or were threatening to expose evidence related to all of these crimes. They are also using Keefe D. to take the charge for 2Pacs murder so he can spin the story and leave out and ties to Diddy who ordered the hit or did it himself.
Unfortunately for Diddy, unlike the rest of the people he had successfully silenced in the past, his dirt ended up coming out right around when Al ended up coming out of his coma and I think it’s likely that if my theory is correct he released all the info he had on Diddy. He even may have hinted in an interview at him being responsible for him falling into a coma. After he came out of the coma Diddy knew he was about to go down and before the raid he destroyed and staged all of his homes with evidence that would verify all the claims related to other celebrities over the age of 18. Meanwhile he got rid of all the videos involving murder, sa, child abuse, bestiality and other evidence that would bring major charges.
This is so he can cooperate with the Feds and help reduce his sentence. If he hid all the evidence they would know and work overtime to find it. Instead he lied by omission and corroborated the accusations that won’t completely destroy him. He can then release all his dirt to seem like he made all the blackmail with the intention of bringing down known predators who were able to get away with the same things he’s guilty of.
In the video of Diddy in the wig, he talks about partying with Drake and The Weekend and I believe he was able to acquire the blackmail. He then released the blackmail to selected people to ensure they leak at the appropriate time. The plan is to publicly out Drake for sex crimes so the rest of Hollywood knows not to testify against him. During the auction mentioned by ebony prince they are going to auction off all the dirt Diddy has collected the last 30 years. This includes dirt on Trump, which may be the reason behind all of this. The auction is four days after Election Day and will be used as a fail safe in case Trump wins the election.
When people who already have even the slightest political biases and less formal education, it can be very difficult to look at these things and not choose a side. This is their agenda to promote centrism and split the left and right even further to promote chaos and anarchy. I advise anyone who identifies as democrat or republican to be extremely cautious when exploring these topics and watch out for the type of things I mentioned. If the information is specifically pointed towards whichever party you identify with, they are trying to suck you in and fill your head with their beliefs.
*Update 2- I’ve never seen this amount of negative responses on any of the bullshit reposts and memes. Clearly people don’t want to actually think for themselves and are just trying to shut down any theory that contradicts their own. Y’all need to stop trying to disprove shit that actually promotes alternative ideas. This is exactly why this community was created. You don’t have to agree with everything, but if you see anything of interest you can do some more research if you’re interested if not just move on and mind your business. Either read it if you’re interested and do your own research or move along and mind your own business.
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At this point I’m a 99 percent sure Diddy is the one pulling the strings behind the Kendrick and Drake beef.
At this point I’m a 99 percent sure Diddy is the one pulling the strings behind the Kendrick and Drake beef. I believe that Al B. Sure! was planing to release all the info he had on Diddy in 2022, but may have been poisoned beforehand similar to theories about Diddys’s ex wife Kim Porter who was originally married to Kim before Diddy stole her away along with Al’s son, also Diddy’s stepson Quincy. Diddy has also been directly tied to the murders or mysterious deaths of at least a half a dozen more people who were close associates from the beginning of his career and were key players in the formation of Bad Boy. Coincidentally many of the victims had either exposed or were threatening to expose evidence related to all of these crimes. They are also using Keefe D. to take the charge for 2Pacs murder so he can spin the story and leave out and ties to Diddy who ordered the hit or did it himself.
Unfortunately for Diddy, unlike the rest of the people he had successfully silenced in the past, Al ended up coming out of his coma and revealing all the info he had on Diddy, including that he was responsible for him falling into a coma. After he came out of the coma Diddy knew he was about to go down and before the raid he destroyed and staged all of his homes with evidence that would verify all the claims related to other celebrities over the age of 18. Meanwhile he got rid of all the videos involving murder, sa, child abuse, bestiality and other evidence that would bring major charges. This is so he can cooperate with the Feds and help reduce his sentence. If he hid all the evidence they would know and work overtime to find it. Instead he lied by omission and corroborated the accusations that won’t completely destroy him. He can then release all his dirt to seem like he made all the blackmail with the intention of bringing down known predators who were able to get away with the same things he’s guilty of.
In the video of Diddy in the wig, he talks about partying with Drake and The Weekend and I believe he was able to acquire the blackmail. He then released the blackmail to selected people to ensure they leak at the appropriate time. The plan is to publicly out Drake for sex crimes so the rest of Hollywood knows not to testify against him. During the auction mentioned by ebony prince they are going to auction off all the dirt Diddy has collected the last 30 years. This includes dirt on Trump, which may be the reason behind all of this. The auction is four days after Election Day and will be used as a fail safe in case Trump wins the election.
I’m trying my best to add everything, just struggling because I have like 30 pages worth of write ups. If you want more evidence I have a ton, on my other account, I don’t want to spam so just dm me if you want additional evidence. The full post above is multiple pages long so I just chose the important part because very few people on here have the attention span for it.
You don’t have to believe it, it’s just my personal opinions, but they are based on facts and about 80 hours of research.
https://www.reddit.comRationalSchizo812020/s/IsgRSkK8KM
Check out the post covering Diddy, Drake, Kendrick, and Kanye
Two articles about modern sex cults still in operation: https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/28/new-york-satanic-cult-764-fbi
https://www.complex.com/life/a/brad-callas/accused-cult-leader-nature-boy-sentenced-to-life
Yesterday I found Ye’s full interview with The Download from before the beef blew up. It discusses a lot of my connections and hints that Ye is partially involved. You can skip to around 13 minutes in.
(Recently the charges against Lucian Grange were dropped showing he most likely is working behind the scenes as well and has some influence. He may be related to the leak as well. He could have also been the one who supplied the blackmail. Another alternative is Diddy went to the feds on his own accord, but when multiple lawsuits pop up very quickly, especially after thirty years of avoiding charges related to tons of sketchy shit, it usually means there is some type of coordination. Look at TI and his wife’s allegations and what lead up to those events.)
Full post:
This is all speculation so please don’t victim blame or spread conspiracies about a possible survivor of C.S abuse. This is why many don’t come forward. All I’m trying to do is point out the large amount of details surrounding the rumor that stand out as odd to me. By no means does this dismiss his claims. I’m not a lawyer, but if he was suing my client, this is some of the evidence I would use in the case.
Before I start I need to put in a small disclaimer. **The subjects I covered in my essay are well known to be linked to conspiracy theory communities that have been equated to terrorist groups. The end goal of a lot of these communities is to promote political divide, antisemetism, homophobia, and violence. I think the ultimate goal is to create such a massive gap between the left and right that the two party system fails and we fall into anarchy allowing the people who really pull the strings to restructure and in order to retain their power. It’s already evident that Biden isn’t able to do nearly as much as he could do if he didn’t have to consider the opposing party’s majority vote as well. Whoever wins I feel the results will be the same, violent protests aiming to reverse the vote. If this is achieved it will be the death of democracy in America.
I highly encourage anyone who identifies with either political party and are attracted to controversial subjects or consider themselves to be contrarian to please look out for any conspiracies that seem to be targeted towards you or the community you’re a part of. If they share similar ideas to the findings I made in my research, please do not engage.
I’ve watched the conception and the eventual downfalls off the P-gate and Q conspiracy communities. It didn’t take me long to figure out the eventual end game and step back from the community while continuing independent research. If you’re letting someone else to the research for you, you really need to be sure to trust the source and be aware of possible ulterior motives. It’s really dangerous territory though, filled with hidden traps that can draw you in and send you so deep that you either end up going into psychosis from the stress and paranoid, or you do what I did and step back for the sake of your mental health. I hate even sharing things like this because I know it may not have the effect I intended, but on the other hand people who are new to these subjects and conspiracies really, really need to take them seriously. They are not just games on the internet and there is a reason members of these communities have to hide in the shadows and lure people into their dark corners. There is also reason why they target the groups they do and I’ve noted a huge effort to indoctrinate people in rap community, the content creator community, and the celebrity gossip communities. I’ll let you guys draw your own conclusions as to why this is. I assume if you read this far you’re not dumb.
Once you’re stuck in their web it’s very difficult for most people to find their way back to society without seeing examples everywhere. I hope this is able to at least help one person who might be teetering on the edge of these rabbit holes. It’s not worth it and if I wasn’t sober and taking my meds, Id probably end up having a psychotic break. If you feel like you may be approaching that point you can still quit while you’re ahead.
Here are just a few of the things you can do to keep yourself from spiraling.
Take a step back for a while and focus on other things. Taking a hiatus from social media is crucial. If you can’t control yourself maybe detach from the news and internet entirely for a couple days. Even a long weekend can make a MASSIVE difference.
Try to get a good nights sleep and consider taking melatonin or an over the counter sleep aid.
Spend some time with friends or loved ones.
Eat some good, somewhat healthy, food and stay hydrated.
Try to get some sun and consider taking a walk or doing some other form of exercise.
Volunteer or do something to help your community if you want to continue working to benefit society.
Try to read a book or spend some time doing your favorite hobbies that aren’t related to any of the subjects I discuss below. Without further ado…
Ties Between Drake, Kendrick Lamar, and Violent Antigovernment Conspiracies
I recently saw an article about Bryshere Gray, a rappeactor best known for his role in Empire. He was born in Philadelphia and started rapping at 16. His manager Craig Mack, who facilitated his big break by getting him a role on the TV series Empire, is life long friends with Will Smith. Currently there are conflicting claims about whether he is currently suing or planning to sue Will Smith and P. Diddy for s. abusing him as a minor. It’s rumored he is trying to get 50 million dollars in damages. That number alone seems suspicious to me. That’s 20 million more than Cassie got and she dated and lived with Diddy for over a decade.
One of the other things I noticed off the jump was the fact that the only sources regarding the case were on social media along with one article on MSN, which is known for being a nest of clickbait journalism. Essentially they are the written version of gossip videos made by content creators. The only evidence I could find in these videos were a few short clips from his socials where is talking about the negative sides of fame and a clip of him on the red carpet with Will Smith. This might hint towards suppression, but I’m leaning toward this whole story being bullshit.
The only connection I found between him and Diddy is a song he did with 2 Chainz and Fabolous, the latter being signed to Bad Boy. He ended up getting signed to Columbia which falls under the Sony Music Entertainment while Bad Boy is under UMG. Considering these rumors came about a while back he hasn’t mentioned it at all as far as I know. Some might argue this could be a product of friction between labels or that he included Diddy because everyone knows he’s going down. On the other hand if he is a victims he may not have wanted his story told and doesn’t want to stoke the rumors by responding whether they’re true or not.
One of the biggest things that led me to question the validity of the claims is the fact that 90 percent of the sources I found were using a three minute clip from an interview with one of the top content creators on YouTube, I’ll call her J. At this point I’m 99 percent sure J is an opp, whether she knows it or not. She told his story in vivid detail accusing Will and Jada of luring young artists with promises of mentorship, then involving them in their bedroom activities.
It’s not really a stretch to think that Will might have a cuckold fetish and probably swings both ways. Two things that could ruin you in the 90’s, but neither or them could do more damage to their careers then they have already done by airing out intimate details of their relationship to the public. However the allegations involving minors are complete heresay. This leads me to believe these are just rumors from the 90’s updated to include modern conspiracy theories. J clearly also clearly has some homophobic tendencies, but uses her bisexuality as a pass to bash on most black gay men and even straight men who she claims to be gay. It’s all too obvious she still holds onto resentment over her career never taking off while a lot of the people she collaborated with turned into megastars which is a huge motivator for her content. She clearly still lives in the nineties when these type of allegations alone could seriously damage your career.
In Bryshere’s case, regardless if any of the details she shared were true, they shouldn’t have been aired to the public by anyone but Gray himself. This isn’t the first time J has leaked recordings, exploited, or stolen from victims she claimed to be advocating for. She has even doxxed victims by starting a women’s group for sa survivors and recording all their meetings. She eventually leaked some, claiming they were trying sabotage the group. When the rest found out or were threatened themselves, the group was quickly dissolved and covered up. Considering her track record it’s not unlikely that if true, she released Gray’s story after trying to ask for a payoff and not receiving it. Considering their is no evidence they’ve even met, it’s more likely she’s just reporting on local rumors considering her and Gray are both from Philly and now both live in the Dallas. It’s very important to look at J’s history to see the bigger picture here.
My theory is J was given permission to share her story detailing the dark side of the industry and promised protection if she also included certain details that they provided to her. If true, the motive could have been to help her home channel gain credibility and attract a large viewer base so they can manipulate the message. I believe these people do know some shit about some people, and they want to get out ahead and make sure they only go after their rivals.
I followed J, an up and coming influencer, to examine to see if I noticed any obvious agendas and stumbled upon a full blown conspiracy. I use as an example started with very levelheaded claims that were easy to digest and over the course of five years this influence lured in their viewers with insider knowledge that turned out to be true and by the end was spouting rumors that are easily traceable to certain movements that have been tied to antisemetism, anti LBGTQ, and violent ideologies. It started slow with a few buzzwords and before you knew it the comment sections had been taken over. She started by luring in the celebrity gossip community, specifically people over the age of 40, who treat gossip blogs like the gospel. It’s obvious why this community has been chosen as a target, and I’ve seen recently to rap community is not much better. I imagine whoever is orchestrating this campaign probably wasn’t expecting it to be this easy.
We very well may be witnessing a controlled takedown and the purpose usually is to take out any liabilities while painting their innocence. If a lot of sick people get outed for terrible crimes most people will assume the Feds weeded out all the bad seeds. It would be a public win for the FEDs and would address any criticism aimed at them and those in the industry who have been facing pressure to deal with these types of issues for at least 3 decades. It will also assuage a lot of the conspiracy communities who have been trying to bring light to these issues. I definitely believe the people they chose to take the rap are going to take the charges for all their co conspirators, so those close to them don’t catch any charges. This would be very important in a R.I.C.O. case.
After they’ve completed their mission and their message has been delivered they will then allow these messengers to continue to capitalize on their channel’s popularity. This way they could still manipulate to spread whatever they choose whenever it’s deemed it to be necessary, It probably won’t work too many times before people catch on. In they want to continue making content they can force them to dig up their old dirt. They could also easily provide them with a list of names they are and aren’t allowed to talk about. My guess is they know that most of them aren’t going to be able to find anything, and since they picked people willing to to say any thing for money, they know they will continue to do it with or without relevant information.
They could also continue aiding her in an effort to further the spread disinformation as a preemptive measure. They may threaten harm or violence if the view counts dip below a certain amount to prevent the messenger from self sabotaging in case they need to get their message to the massesIf in the future. If they do ever need them again to do the same thing or are themselves being targetted, they can use their messengers to discredit the facts about them and shine light on those who are leveling the allegations.
You may be wondering what if the enemy finds them and pays them more to doublecross their handlers? They can then use their messenger’s mental illness and paint them and their viewers as violent or mentally ill members of a disinformation cult and either blackmail them into retracting their claims or label them and their listeners as a disinformation cult that happened to be right about some things. Mental health issues can also help paint the narrative that the messenger is suicidal so they can take her out easier if needed. In the case of J it’s not out of the realm of possibility considering her recent struggle and probably played a big part in choosing her to be their mouth piece. since they can use her mental illness at any time to discredit her or create plausible deniability if any connection is made between them and they need to go to court to prove the opposite.
She’s such a wildcard their is no way they would’ve recruited her if they didn’t have an iron clad manipulation tactic with multiple failsafes in place. Usually threatening to kill someones entire family works just fine, but she doesn’t seem to be too worried about her families safety. This is why I think it’s the big labels going after their own artists because they know they’re probably going to get busted soon. Also studios rarely sign you and give you a good deal if they don’t have some type of dirt in case the artist to keep them in line, and use them for their own personal gains. They can also keep them from going after the messenger and better ensure their safety. If they had her go after another label’s artists they probably wouldn’t be able to cover all the bases when it comes to protection, which with J is necessary since she never has any security detail and constantly doxxes herself and her family on live.
While going though her interviews it became very clear to me something was very fishy off the rip. It became obvious after watching sections from all four of her main interviews that as time went on she began incorporating more and more lies and more and more ridiculous conspiracies into the narrative. For most people as soon as they hear a blatant lie they immediately write off anything coming from the source. Most people don’t do their own research so if the messenger tells a couple little white lies with a dramatic flair they can get away with it for a while. The more lies though the higher the chance of them getting called out and losing a portion of their audience as well as making any truth information that can’t be verified sound sketchy.
As I’ve said before J first two interviews do have a lot of verifiable claims, juxtaposed with her life story, and a few blatant lies. One thing I noticed is the majority of her allegations are against artists from her hometown in Philadelphia who were breaking into the industry around the same time as she was and managed to make their way to the top of their respective industries. Sadly neither of J’s two albums were well received and she lost her opportunity because of her combative personality mixed with major narcissism.
After her music career didn’t pan out she moved to Dallas, Texas to try to rebrand. After her son was murdered in 2018, similar to her career, her mental health took appeared to take a nosedive. Before the first interview in 2020, apparently rumors were floating around she was living out of cars and motels. She then met her husband who was ex-military and it seemed like he really built her up and helped her, possibly even writing the stories. In that first interview she accused multiple artists of mistreatment as well as assault. It went semi-viral and a good portion of the accused either provided evidence to contradict her or said the don’t want to go into it, and they seemed to know the situation and feel bad for her. The rapper Common, who she claimed had abused her even said he hopes she’s ok and wished her well. A lot of her fans took this and twisted them into him being guilty because he didn’t go off on a rant trying to claim his innocence and shit on J like they were expecting.
I belief either before or after the first interview got some attention she was contacted and either paid or blackmailed into doing another interview where she was fed information, some truth some lies, and told to mix it in to her life story. I also think her husband may have been one of her handlers. My suspicions stem from the fact that he popped up not long before the first interview and married her after like 3 weeks. I also noticed his way of speaking was also was very similar to J’s and he’d even use similar vocal inflections and speech patterns. They also displayed a lot of similar quirks. Another coincide is he claimed he was responsible for most of the technical support and played a huge part in establishing her online presence. He claimed to have learned everything in a day, and apparently people were shocked at how quickly he learned how to code websites and manage her accounts. A few weeks after getting married she had already made him a fifty/fifty partner for the a new television network she was promoting around the time, but was designed to steal peoples money.
She returned for a second interview in December 2022 and during her second video she mentioned Diddy and dropped a lot of information regarding his current case, his connections to many celebrities, and many specific details about their lives only an insider would have access to. Still there wasn’t much evidence to verify a good portion of her claims until Cassie filed her lawsuit a couple weeks later. I’m almost positive whoever is trying to bring Diddy to justice is connected to whoever is giving her all this info. During the interview J once again eloquently details the dark side of the industry.
Unfortunately her second interview was overshadowed by two separate incidents that both occurred only a few days later and were also caught on her live stream. First she was arrested at a Chicago airport for losing her mind at the security checkpoint. Not much longer after that during an apparent psychotic break, she was filmed in a barbershop parking lot abusing her husband then taking her sons ashes and throwing them her husband and his friends while acting like she was literally possessed. In a later interview she claimed to have Dissociate Identity Disorder from all the trauma and admitted that it was the cause of her psychotic breaks, which totally applies if someone was severely abused at a young age like she has claimed is the case. Eventually she was restrained by the police, strapped down, and tied to a stretcher.
After she got out of a mental hospital a couple days later, her and her soon to ex-husband did a couple separate interviews followed by one where they both discussed to situation together. Before the joint interview their original stories did not line up at all. From their description of events it’s obvious she was cheating and he seems intelligent enough to that, but instead claims the now leader of the Carbon Nation sex cult we’ll call Sol. According to their story he hypnotized her the first time they met and manipulated her into joining her and her husband on their planned weekend roadtrip after meeting in person for the first time. He also forced her into saying she wanted to kill her husband multiple times and letting him touch all over her while they were all in the car together. After that she went on and shared a painfully detailed description of the abuse she suffered as a child all they up until she left the industry. Not much longer after that her husband filed for divorce, further contributing to the spiral.
About three months ago she did another interview that clearly was made by someone else and was loaded with editing mistakes and long gaps without sound that are so muffled you can barely hear them. She also obvious took clips of the interviewer from previous interviews and pasted them together to form new questions and edited them in between her responses. This is also where her claims were all either recycled or included the wildest pizzagate rumors. Then as always she included them in her personal anecdotes so people feel bad for questioning her. The last interview I saw came out less than a week ago and it was even worse than the last and it seems like she’s now just shitposting and seeing how much she can get away with and sadly as expected most people are still eating it up out of the palm of their hand. People who literally worship these influencers like Gods.
Sorry for the giant tangent, but it seems obvious to me that the husband and the two interviewers were all working together. He dressed her up, got her sober and kept her on her meds so she could deliver these interviews. At the same time she was the one who agreed to literally sell her soul and I believe she conscientiously made the decision to scam others. I think everything with Sol was either planned by the three of them or at least the two men who both appeared randomly and were obviously both manipulators. They used their, “divorce,” to really kick things into overdrive and then either both left her there jobs were done. In my humble opinion it’s more likely that they are all mentally ill, desperate for money, and playing roles that were assigned to them for a very specific purpose. I’m almost positive the whole marriage was a sham to help contribute to the narrative that everything in the first two videos was true, until she lost her mind because of the DID, PTSD, and stress.
The last thing I’ll mention before getting back to Bryshere Gray is how I found it interesting that she chose a DID diagnosis. Bipolar used to be a big one, but most people these days know at least one person with it, and it’s easier to tell when people are faking. DID and BPD are the trendy ones now because they aren’t as well understood and easier to fake or play up for the camera. The large numbers of people obviously faking their symptoms, based off the symptoms of some influencer who is also faking. This makes it very difficult to know what’s . It’s also commonly brought up in more radical conspiracy groups as being part of the satanic agenda or brainwash people. I think they were intentionally trying to attract people who would get anything related to the movement send to the deep corners of the internet where those types tend to hide.
This all leads me to the wildest connection of the story. In 2015, when Gray joined Columbia Records, he was signed alongside his future Empire costar Jussie Smollett who ended up playing his older brother. For those who don’t know or remember in 2019, Jussie Smollett was found guilty of staging a hate crime against himself somewhere around the 4th season of he show. The expensive investigation revealed the motivation was political after revealing Michellle Obama’s form chief of staff reached out to Smollett’s lawyer and requested the case be handed over to the FBI. His lawyer then forward the request to Chicago’s Superintendent who approved the request and the case was dropped. After a massive uproar, pitting democrats and republicans against each other, he was resentenced in December 2019 and to this day his legal defense team is still trying to drag out the case so the prosecutor just drops the charges and they don’t have to admit guilt. (If interested the Wikipedia article sums up the whole thing very well.)
Up until his arrest for domestic violence over three years ago where he was caught multiple times lying to the police in his interview, he was found guilty. Seemingly overnight his career tanked and he essentially disappeared and clearly seemed to be dealing with some mental health issues. I find it interesting that after four years of silence he’s just deciding to come out now, and if this case is real in the first place I wonder if anyone is going to draw all these connections.
Aside from Smollett and Gray, the cast list attached to the TV series Empire reveals a lot of connections to a lot of high powered figures with strange connections to this whole conspiracy. A good example of one of these connections is Terrence Howards’s character, a top record label president named Lucious. After skimming the first season’s plot points, some appeared to be directly based on attributes commonly associated with Diddy.
When I looked a little deeper I found that Howard, who also originates from Philadelphia, was cast as the lead actor on the show, while still finding the time to deliver his infamous guest lectures around the world. The main focus of the lectures was discussing the theory he hypothesized which he appropriately named, “Terryology.” This came after being blacklisted from the industry for nearly seven years prior for beating up a crew member and being convicted of multiple domestic violence charges. After the incident with the crew member in 2008, it was revealed Howard had been replaced by Don Cheadle in the sequel to his last hit movie, Iron Man.
Around the same time in 2008, he also signed a record deal with no other than Columbia Records. This came a few years before his infamous on screen sons joined a the same label years later. This can definitely be connected to Howard’s relationship with Gray’s manager Charlie Mack. Some other people who made guest appearances on the show include Naomi Campbell, Cassie, Cuba Gooding Jr, and Mary J. Blige.
The creator of the show Lee Daniel’s, the popular democratic activist whose connections go all the way up to the Obama’s, Oprah, and the Clintons. (Before I go any further, please don’t go down this rabbit hole much further, and to the people who use these type of stories to promote their agendas and spark even more political discord. Now more then ever we need to reel in both the far left and far right and meet as close to the middle as possible or else both candidates are going to continue to be worse every election. Please keep any comments politically neutral. I hate both candidates and I’m simply making connections and could care less who wins the upcoming election.
I think what we’re seeing now regarding Drake, Kendrick, Diddy, and people like Bryshere Gray and J and other influencers and content creators are all be used as weapons to distract people from something major going down and the fact that it’s only getting crazier every day, it appears whatever I’m referring to is yet to come, but won’t be long. Please keep all of this in mind before you start trying to research subjects like these. You may realize that some of the ideologies that have been chastised and tied to violence have been saying these types of things for years, and most of their evidence has been proven already or align with everything we’re seeing.
The paid protestors at Columbia is another example of political theater. Here is where people make the connection to Semetism and where most subscribers theories go off the fucking rails. Just because a lot of these things can be tied to Israel and Jewish Americans, a lot of people like to blame them for all the worlds problems, what they don’t realize is most of this stems from cultural traditions and generational wealth that was gained through hard work and promotion of high education. This has resulted in the majority of Jewish Americans holding more wealth than the average Christian household and most if this stems purely from jealousy and fucking Hitler. This is why the majority of people who go all in on these types of theories don’t have any further education than a high school diploma.
I know this doesn’t make them all dumb, but even a lot of very intelligent people like Ye and other major public figures got sucked into these communities without realizing they were part of the same agenda they were trying to expose. That’s how you end up with Ye saying he loves Hitler in a public interview and promoting Trump for president and supporting the fucking, “white lives matter,” movement along with the Candace Owen, the republicans answer to AOC. Even people with more formal education and fewer biases can and have been successfully targeted by these communities. It’s been shown time and time again that many of these recruiters who have been in their respective communities since their inception usually end up end reaching the same conclusions and the more people there are to confirm your beliefs or suspicions, the more likely it is you’ll accept everything else in they say as true. (This is a very similar conclusion the one I reached in my essay about J).
My belief is someone from the same circle that J was in during her singing career are the same people who reached out to Katt Williams and other blacklisted artists with long recorded histories of mental illness and substance abuse problems to lie by omission and allowing them to release preselected pieces of evidence without repercussions. They could easily know what information the Feds were able to acquire. They then had her leak those details to the public so when the details to come out it makes she can work with the Feds and dismiss any other allegations even if they are true. Obviously it won’t determine the outcome, but it can definitely go a long way in making sure certain details of the defendant choosing can be struck from the record if the evidence isn’t good enough.
At this point I’m a 99 percent sure Diddy is the one pulling the strings behind the Kendrick and Drake beef. I believe that Al B. Sure! was planing to release all the info he had on Diddy in 2022, but may have been poisoned beforehand similar to theories about Diddys’s ex wife Kim Porter who was originally married to Kim before Diddy stole her away along with Al’s son, also Diddy’s stepson Quincy. Diddy has also been directly tied to the murders or mysterious deaths of at least a half a dozen more people who were close associates from the beginning of his career and were key players in the formation of Bad Boy. Coincidentally many of the victims had either exposed or were threatening to expose evidence related to all of these crimes. They are also using Keefe D. to take the charge for 2Pacs murder so he can spin the story and leave out and ties to Diddy who ordered the hit or did it himself.
Unfortunately for Diddy, unlike the rest of the people he had successfully silenced in the past, his dirt ended up coming out right around when Al ended up coming out of his coma and I think it’s likely that if my theory is correct he released all the info he had on Diddy. He even may have hinted in an interview at him being responsible for him falling into a coma. After he came out of the coma Diddy knew he was about to go down and before the raid he destroyed and staged all of his homes with evidence that would verify all the claims related to other celebrities over the age of 18. Meanwhile he got rid of all the videos involving murder, sa, child abuse, bestiality and other evidence that would bring major charges.
This is so he can cooperate with the Feds and help reduce his sentence. If he hid all the evidence they would know and work overtime to find it. Instead he lied by omission and corroborated the accusations that won’t completely destroy him. He can then release all his dirt to seem like he made all the blackmail with the intention of bringing down known predators who were able to get away with the same things he’s guilty of.
In the video of Diddy in the wig, he talks about partying with Drake and The Weekend and I believe he was able to acquire the blackmail. He then released the blackmail to selected people to ensure they leak at the appropriate time. The plan is to publicly out Drake for sex crimes so the rest of Hollywood knows not to testify against him. During the auction mentioned by ebony prince they are going to auction off all the dirt Diddy has collected the last 30 years. This includes dirt on Trump, which may be the reason behind all of this. The auction is four days after Election Day and will be used as a fail safe in case Trump wins the election.
When people who already have even the slightest political biases and less formal education, it can be very difficult to look at these things and not choose a side. This is their agenda to promote centrism and split the left and right even further to promote chaos and anarchy. I advise anyone who identifies as democrat or republican to be extremely cautious when exploring these topics and watch out for the type of things I mentioned. If the information is specifically pointed towards whichever party you identify with, they are trying to suck you in and fill your head with their beliefs.
*Update 2- I’ve never seen this amount of negative responses on any of the bullshit reposts and memes. Clearly people don’t want to actually think for themselves and are just trying to shut down any theory that contradicts their own. Y’all need to stop trying to disprove shit that actually promotes alternative ideas. This is exactly why this community was created. You don’t have to agree with everything, but if you see anything of interest you can do some more research if you’re interested if not just move on and mind your business. Either read it if you’re interested and do your own research or move along and mind your own business.
2024.05.14 04:57 yamheisenberg Why do Indians lust for everything the western nations do, but don’t learn from their behaviour?
There are countless YouTube videos of Indian people copying western culture (ONS, cuckold, cheating, open relationships, polyamory, clubbing, wokeness, judging their own kind for not speaking English, western dress sense, etc)
If they can copy all this and call it “cool”, why not learn from them when it comes to behaving properly in public, respecting rules and etiquette and punctuality? We don’t want to care about personal hygiene (the stink stereotype), we don’t want to throw litter in dustbins because, “it’s not mine, why should I?” Call someone out for littering, and they’ll yell at you. Ask someone to not jump a red light, they’ll yell at you, maybe even beat you up.
Worry about your own country and its issues, maybe learn a thing or two about etiquette and hygiene and shut up.
But Indians who move abroad will suddenly start following every damn rule in the book.
If you behave well, you’ll be told, “bhai, yeh India hai, saale firangi”
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If they can copy all this and call it “cool”, why not learn from them when it comes to behaving properly in public, respecting rules and etiquette and punctuality? We don’t want to care about personal hygiene (the stink stereotype), we don’t want to throw litter in dustbins because, “it’s not mine, why should I?” Call someone out for littering, and they’ll yell at you. Ask someone to not jump a red light, they’ll yell at you, maybe even beat you up.
Worry about your own country and its issues, maybe learn a thing or two about etiquette and hygiene and shut up.
But Indians who move abroad will suddenly start following every damn rule in the book.
If you behave well, you’ll be told, “bhai, yeh India hai, saale firangi”
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2024.03.11 02:50 Reasonable_Injury121 Chivalry Is On Life Support, Chapter Nineteen
Brooke was always sexually submissive to Luke, but I noticed a subtle yet distinct shift in the dynamics of their relationship after that day. As much as he enjoyed having sex with her, it was clear that she was more sexually dependent upon on him than the other way around. Brooke became increasingly reluctant to distance herself from Luke, even when he did things to her that crossed the line, fearful that doing so might again lead to a protracted period of separation— or, worse yet, that he might choose to end the arrangement altogether. I actually believed (and still believe today) the likelihood of him ending things with her to be very, very low (he had things far too good to put an end to it, his ex-wife basically his sex toy and her new husband basically his slave). Luke being Luke, however, he pressed his advantage, of course. He did this primarily by humiliating Brooke more frequently and intensely and by increasingly exerting his control over her outside of the purely sexual domain. So by extension, of course, he humiliated me more and controlled me in more and more areas of life.
Take, for example, football.
One afternoon in early September, about six months after Luke’s invasion began, Brooke and I were alone together in the house, while Luke was out supervising a big plumbing job in a school in the next county. I looked up from my desk to see Brooke come down the stairs dressed in a short cheerleader’s uniform, with pom poms. It was blue and white, showed a bit of her midriff, and had the word “Daddy” printed across the bosom in big white letters.
“What do you think?”, she asked me.
“I think you look incredibly sexy. Probably the sexiest cheerleader I’ve ever seen. But you’re one of the last women on earth who I’d ever expect to want to dress as a cheerleader. So, it’s a little strange, to be honest.”
“Yeah, most of the cheerleaders I knew in high school were total bimbos. And I’ve always thought the whole concept of cheerleaders — the way they dress, the super short skirts like this and so forth — is just another kind of institutionalized exploitation of women. All these hypocritical, uptight Christian men (and probably some of the women, for that matter) have no problem getting their jollies by looking up cheerleaders’ skirts or at their bouncing tits when they jump around. Even as they preach to the rest of us about modesty and morality.”
“So why are you dressed this way? Not that I’m complaining.”
“Because Luke’s football season starts on Saturday, and he said he wants to be cheered on.”
“I’ve never really liked football. I’ve always found it a little barbaric for my tastes.”
“I completely agree. You know me, I’m not that big into sports in general. And football seems to be especially violent. All those traumatic head injuries and everything.“
“Did you ever dress up this way for him when you were married?”
“Once or twice, but I always resisted it. I felt it was demeaning.”
“So what changed?”
“Maybe I’ve lightened up a bit. Or maybe it’s because I know now that, since we’re no longer married, it’s easier for me to tell him to shove these pom poms up his ass, if I really want to.“
“But you don’t want to.”
“Is that a question or a comment?”
“Either. A question, I guess.”
“A part of me does. But part of me just wants to keep him happy. I’m gonna try to have some fun with it. And you are too.”
I really took no special notice of her last remark; I simply thought she meant that I would enjoy watching her in her skimpy little uniform. Which I’m sure I would. When I went upstairs to the bedroom about an hour later, however, she followed me. Laid out on the bedspread was a matching uniform to what Brooke was wearing, except in pink and white, along with two matching pom poms.
I turned to look at her, and she had a huge grin on her face.
“You don’t really expect me to wear this, do you?”
“I absolutely do. Put it on now. I ordered the largest size they have and I want to see if it fits.“
I stripped down to my panties and put on the uniform. It was snug, but it fit. I felt beyond ridiculous.
Brooke giggled. “Now pick up the pom poms and give me a cheer.”
“Rah rah,” I said lamely and without enthusiasm, waving the two large pom poms in the air.
Laughing, she said, “Well, you definitely need a lot of work. Fortunately, I found some great how-to videos on YouTube. It’s amazing how you can find anything on YouTube these days, isn’t it? Come on, let’s go downstairs and watch some of them on the TV. We have at least two hours to practice before he gets home.”
“Do I really have to do this, Brooke? I’m sure he doesn’t want to see me dressed in this little uniform. He wants to see you, not me. Look at my stomach.”
Patting my stomach with her hand and speaking mockingly, she said, “Poor baby. I know you’re sensitive about your belly fat. But you’ve lost some weight. It’s looking better. I think the sit-ups are starting to have some positive effect, too.”
“Not nearly enough.“
“Look, Luke said he wanted both of us to cheer him on, and both of us are. I picked out the uniform with the least visible midriff that was available. I did that for you. Besides, you’re lucky, you only have to dress up this way at home. He’s going to expect me to wear a cheerleading uniform to all of the home games as well. You’ll be cheering there too, just not in uniform. But before he leaves for any away game and anytime he gets back from a game, win or lose, you’re gonna put on this uniform and cheer right next to me. Got it?”, she said firmly.
“Yes, miss.”
“Great, now let’s go practice. It will be good exercise for you too.”
I felt more ridiculous wearing that uniform than in just about anything else I had worn so far, including the speedo and cuckold T-shirt, or even panties and tights. Nevertheless, I watched the how-to videos with Brooke and we rehearsed several different cheers.
On Saturday, when Luke was putting on his football uniform in the upstairs bedroom, Brooke and I changed into our uniforms in the basement and were ready to greet him in the living room when he came downstairs with the following cheer:
Stronger than steel (clap, clap) Hotter than the sun; Luke won’t stop (clap, clap) Till he gets the job done.
We then picked up and waved our pom poms and yelled in unison, “Go, Luke, go!”
He laughed and said “Babe, I told you that you’d look smokin hot in that uniform.” He walked up to her, reached up under her skirt and cupped her right buttock with his large hand, kissing her. She swooned over him like a high school girl being kissed by the star quarterback. Turning to me, he said, “And I’ve never seen a more ridiculous sight in my entire life than you, prof, wearing that uniform. It’s fucking hilarious. I expect to see you in it a lot.”
“Yes, sir.”
The game was a couple of hours drive away so Brooke and I didn’t attend that particular one. When Luke got home that evening, we greeted him at the door with the same cheer, but it was clear as soon as we saw him that he wasn’t happy.
“We lost, 6-3. Our defense totally shut them down. They only scored two lousy field goals. You should’ve seen a couple of my open field tackles. But our quarterback totally sucks. He couldn’t get shit going on offense. I told our coach, he’s got to bench him and go with our second string quarterback next game. It was a fucking disaster.”
Brooke said, “I’m sorry, babe. But wouldn’t our cheer cheer you up?”
Already starting to undress, Luke said, “Save it. What WOULD cheer me up is if I get to fuck the pretty cheerleader while the fat, butt ugly one cleans my cleats and washes my jock strap.”
Luke removed his jock strap and threw it at my face, “Here, you can hand wash my jock with some mild detergent later. First, get an old toothbrush and clean my cleats on your knees next to the bed while I take out my aggressions on your wife’s pussy and ass.”
“Yes, sir.”
Luke was now naked and fully erect, his uniform and cleats in a pile at his feet. Looking at his cock, Brooke said, “Now that’s really something to cheer about.”
“Bring my dirty clothes and cleats upstairs, along with a bucket of water with some mild soap and a roll of duct tape. You do know what that is, don’t you?,” he said to me.
“Yes, sir.“
“I’m surprised.”
After I had gathered all of the required materials, and we were all upstairs, Luke commanded, “Scrub my cleats carefully with the brush and soap. I expect them to be clean enough to eat off them. In fact, the way I’m feeling, I’m thinking of having you eat dinner off them and then clean them again. I stepped on some dog shit out on the field, so you better clean them well, cuck.”
“Yes, sir. Of course, sir.”
So upstairs, still wearing the ridiculous uniform, I scrubbed Luke’s cleats with the toothbrush as I watched him manhandle Brooke. He first threw her onto the bed, and roughly removed all of her clothing except for her ankle socks. She had put her hair into two pigtails for the cheerleader look, and he pulled her by her pigtails up to his huge cock, forcing her to suck it. He then abruptly pulled her off, and shoved her nose into his right armpit. The sweat from the game had largely dried, I imagine, but it was a warm fall night and I could see a faint sheen of fresh sweat on Luke’s muscular torso; his armpits couldn’t have smelled good. Nevertheless, Brooke nuzzled her face into his pit and inhaled greedily, sighing. Gripping her ponytail, he then pulled her back onto his cock. He alternated back and forth several more times between cock and both armpits. The second time he pulled her up to his right armpit, he said simply, “Lick.” She obediently did as commanded, and didn’t have to be told to lick the left one when he pulled her up to that one, a few minutes later.
I had licked rivulets of sweat off Brooke’s smooth armpits and had smelled them before, even after she worked out. It was, without a doubt, erotic. But watching her lick Luke’s hairy, sweaty armpit disgusted me. Or did it? My cock throbbed painfully in its cage watching this scene unfold, hyper conscious of the utter shame of the position in which I found myself. There was indeed dog shit on the bottom of his right cleat, and I worked hard to remove every trace of it (wondering if he was really going to follow through on his threat to make me eat off the bottom of his shoe).
“How are you coming with my shoes, cuck?”
“I’ve cleaned them multiple times, and I believe I’ve gotten all of the grass stains and poop off of your cleats, sir.”
I heard Brooke laugh as Luke said, “You better have, for your sake. But you can’t clean the inside of a shoe, can you?”
“No, sir.” When I had lifted his cleats off the floor to bring them upstairs, I felt the inside still moist with sweat from the game. They were far from new, and the smell certainly wasn’t pleasant as I scrubbed them clean.
Luke, with his typical abruptness and ferocity, lifted Brooke or up off the bed, and put her back down on it on her hands and knees. He swatted her bottom sharply with his hand, saying “Spread your cheeks with your fingers, keep your ass up in the air and don’t move. I’ll be right back.”
To me, he said, “You’re in luck, cuck. You’re going to get to watch today. Sit down in that chair.” He shoved me onto the chair. He then picked up one of his cleats along with the duct tape on the floor and quickly placed his shoe directly over my nose, wrapping it in place twice tightly with the tape. The tape was stuck in my hair at the back of my head and it hurt like hell when Luke ripped it off later, after he was finished pummeling my beloved Brooke. Meanwhile, he ordered me to put my wrists together and tightly wrapped them with the tape as well.
The odor of his foot sweat was overpowering, but that was my immersive sensory experience for the next 30 minutes or so. That, and watching him roughly penetrate all three of Brooke’s orifices. On this occasion, as he took her anally, he placed his foot not on her face (as he did first time I saw him take her) but rather right next to her face.
“Lick my big toe, slut.” And so Brooke began licking it, between her moans. He next made her kneel before him, and using her pigtails as grips, forced her to suck her own anal secretions off his cock. He next threw her back onto the bed, slapped her face a few times and roughly pinched her nipples, as he took her vaginally. Brooke was characteristically vocal (sounds rather than words for the most part, except for the occasional “Yes, baby,” “Softer, no harder” “Please, baby” and “Yes, I’m your dirty little slut”), again experiencing multiple orgasms. He finished by ejaculating all over her face. I resented his mistreatment of her, and imagined myself wrapping my bound hands around his neck and yanking him off her from behind before pounding his face with my bound fists. What can I say, I have a vivid imagination…That’s probably one of the key reasons I became a literature professor focused on medieval legend.
After pulling the sneaker off my face (I screamed when my hair was pulled), he said, “Time for you to kiss your wife, cuck.” I kissed her on the lips, through Luke’s reservoir of semen, repulsed but nonetheless hard against the confines of my chastity cage.
Brooke and Luke showered together. I too was permitted to shower (which was not always the case after I cleaned them, but I still had to prepare and serve dinner). Luke insisted that I put back on my cheerleader uniform to serve them. I made veggie and cheese omelettes and a salad, and stood at attention tableside, as usual, as they ate, dressed like some dirty old man’s idea of a fetishized waitress.
After they finished, Luke did indeed compel me use his cleat as my plate as I ate my omelette. The two of them watched me with amusement. When I picked up my knife and fork, Luke said, “Whoa there, prof, I’d rethink that if I were you. You want to damage my cleats? Are you stupid? Use your hands.”
“Yes, sir. I wasn’t thinking, sir.” I began pulling the egg up and eating it, but when I finished there were still bits of egg around the studs of his cleat. When I got up to take the cleat to the kitchen to clean off the egg, Luke said, “That omelette was delicious, prof. We’re all members of the clean plate club, here. Lick it clean.”
Deeply humiliated, I did as he commanded, with the two of them looking on, laughing. The evening concluded with the three of us watching an action movie on cable, with Luke using my back as a foot rest. We had all changed into our sleep clothes (Luke into a pair of boxers, Brooke into panties and a T-shirt, and me into a pair of sheer gray tights). At one point, they requested popcorn. After I served them, Luke told me I could get myself a bowl. I thought with relief that perhaps his foul mood had finally lifted.
But he then ordered me to place the bowl on the floor at his feet and then fed me kernels between his toes. Brooke looked at him, giggling, and said, “You’re terrible,” before kissing him passionately.
“That’s me, Luke the Terrible.”
I found myself wishing fervently that Luke’s team went the rest of the season undefeated.
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Take, for example, football.
One afternoon in early September, about six months after Luke’s invasion began, Brooke and I were alone together in the house, while Luke was out supervising a big plumbing job in a school in the next county. I looked up from my desk to see Brooke come down the stairs dressed in a short cheerleader’s uniform, with pom poms. It was blue and white, showed a bit of her midriff, and had the word “Daddy” printed across the bosom in big white letters.
“What do you think?”, she asked me.
“I think you look incredibly sexy. Probably the sexiest cheerleader I’ve ever seen. But you’re one of the last women on earth who I’d ever expect to want to dress as a cheerleader. So, it’s a little strange, to be honest.”
“Yeah, most of the cheerleaders I knew in high school were total bimbos. And I’ve always thought the whole concept of cheerleaders — the way they dress, the super short skirts like this and so forth — is just another kind of institutionalized exploitation of women. All these hypocritical, uptight Christian men (and probably some of the women, for that matter) have no problem getting their jollies by looking up cheerleaders’ skirts or at their bouncing tits when they jump around. Even as they preach to the rest of us about modesty and morality.”
“So why are you dressed this way? Not that I’m complaining.”
“Because Luke’s football season starts on Saturday, and he said he wants to be cheered on.”
“I’ve never really liked football. I’ve always found it a little barbaric for my tastes.”
“I completely agree. You know me, I’m not that big into sports in general. And football seems to be especially violent. All those traumatic head injuries and everything.“
“Did you ever dress up this way for him when you were married?”
“Once or twice, but I always resisted it. I felt it was demeaning.”
“So what changed?”
“Maybe I’ve lightened up a bit. Or maybe it’s because I know now that, since we’re no longer married, it’s easier for me to tell him to shove these pom poms up his ass, if I really want to.“
“But you don’t want to.”
“Is that a question or a comment?”
“Either. A question, I guess.”
“A part of me does. But part of me just wants to keep him happy. I’m gonna try to have some fun with it. And you are too.”
I really took no special notice of her last remark; I simply thought she meant that I would enjoy watching her in her skimpy little uniform. Which I’m sure I would. When I went upstairs to the bedroom about an hour later, however, she followed me. Laid out on the bedspread was a matching uniform to what Brooke was wearing, except in pink and white, along with two matching pom poms.
I turned to look at her, and she had a huge grin on her face.
“You don’t really expect me to wear this, do you?”
“I absolutely do. Put it on now. I ordered the largest size they have and I want to see if it fits.“
I stripped down to my panties and put on the uniform. It was snug, but it fit. I felt beyond ridiculous.
Brooke giggled. “Now pick up the pom poms and give me a cheer.”
“Rah rah,” I said lamely and without enthusiasm, waving the two large pom poms in the air.
Laughing, she said, “Well, you definitely need a lot of work. Fortunately, I found some great how-to videos on YouTube. It’s amazing how you can find anything on YouTube these days, isn’t it? Come on, let’s go downstairs and watch some of them on the TV. We have at least two hours to practice before he gets home.”
“Do I really have to do this, Brooke? I’m sure he doesn’t want to see me dressed in this little uniform. He wants to see you, not me. Look at my stomach.”
Patting my stomach with her hand and speaking mockingly, she said, “Poor baby. I know you’re sensitive about your belly fat. But you’ve lost some weight. It’s looking better. I think the sit-ups are starting to have some positive effect, too.”
“Not nearly enough.“
“Look, Luke said he wanted both of us to cheer him on, and both of us are. I picked out the uniform with the least visible midriff that was available. I did that for you. Besides, you’re lucky, you only have to dress up this way at home. He’s going to expect me to wear a cheerleading uniform to all of the home games as well. You’ll be cheering there too, just not in uniform. But before he leaves for any away game and anytime he gets back from a game, win or lose, you’re gonna put on this uniform and cheer right next to me. Got it?”, she said firmly.
“Yes, miss.”
“Great, now let’s go practice. It will be good exercise for you too.”
I felt more ridiculous wearing that uniform than in just about anything else I had worn so far, including the speedo and cuckold T-shirt, or even panties and tights. Nevertheless, I watched the how-to videos with Brooke and we rehearsed several different cheers.
On Saturday, when Luke was putting on his football uniform in the upstairs bedroom, Brooke and I changed into our uniforms in the basement and were ready to greet him in the living room when he came downstairs with the following cheer:
Stronger than steel (clap, clap) Hotter than the sun; Luke won’t stop (clap, clap) Till he gets the job done.
We then picked up and waved our pom poms and yelled in unison, “Go, Luke, go!”
He laughed and said “Babe, I told you that you’d look smokin hot in that uniform.” He walked up to her, reached up under her skirt and cupped her right buttock with his large hand, kissing her. She swooned over him like a high school girl being kissed by the star quarterback. Turning to me, he said, “And I’ve never seen a more ridiculous sight in my entire life than you, prof, wearing that uniform. It’s fucking hilarious. I expect to see you in it a lot.”
“Yes, sir.”
The game was a couple of hours drive away so Brooke and I didn’t attend that particular one. When Luke got home that evening, we greeted him at the door with the same cheer, but it was clear as soon as we saw him that he wasn’t happy.
“We lost, 6-3. Our defense totally shut them down. They only scored two lousy field goals. You should’ve seen a couple of my open field tackles. But our quarterback totally sucks. He couldn’t get shit going on offense. I told our coach, he’s got to bench him and go with our second string quarterback next game. It was a fucking disaster.”
Brooke said, “I’m sorry, babe. But wouldn’t our cheer cheer you up?”
Already starting to undress, Luke said, “Save it. What WOULD cheer me up is if I get to fuck the pretty cheerleader while the fat, butt ugly one cleans my cleats and washes my jock strap.”
Luke removed his jock strap and threw it at my face, “Here, you can hand wash my jock with some mild detergent later. First, get an old toothbrush and clean my cleats on your knees next to the bed while I take out my aggressions on your wife’s pussy and ass.”
“Yes, sir.”
Luke was now naked and fully erect, his uniform and cleats in a pile at his feet. Looking at his cock, Brooke said, “Now that’s really something to cheer about.”
“Bring my dirty clothes and cleats upstairs, along with a bucket of water with some mild soap and a roll of duct tape. You do know what that is, don’t you?,” he said to me.
“Yes, sir.“
“I’m surprised.”
After I had gathered all of the required materials, and we were all upstairs, Luke commanded, “Scrub my cleats carefully with the brush and soap. I expect them to be clean enough to eat off them. In fact, the way I’m feeling, I’m thinking of having you eat dinner off them and then clean them again. I stepped on some dog shit out on the field, so you better clean them well, cuck.”
“Yes, sir. Of course, sir.”
So upstairs, still wearing the ridiculous uniform, I scrubbed Luke’s cleats with the toothbrush as I watched him manhandle Brooke. He first threw her onto the bed, and roughly removed all of her clothing except for her ankle socks. She had put her hair into two pigtails for the cheerleader look, and he pulled her by her pigtails up to his huge cock, forcing her to suck it. He then abruptly pulled her off, and shoved her nose into his right armpit. The sweat from the game had largely dried, I imagine, but it was a warm fall night and I could see a faint sheen of fresh sweat on Luke’s muscular torso; his armpits couldn’t have smelled good. Nevertheless, Brooke nuzzled her face into his pit and inhaled greedily, sighing. Gripping her ponytail, he then pulled her back onto his cock. He alternated back and forth several more times between cock and both armpits. The second time he pulled her up to his right armpit, he said simply, “Lick.” She obediently did as commanded, and didn’t have to be told to lick the left one when he pulled her up to that one, a few minutes later.
I had licked rivulets of sweat off Brooke’s smooth armpits and had smelled them before, even after she worked out. It was, without a doubt, erotic. But watching her lick Luke’s hairy, sweaty armpit disgusted me. Or did it? My cock throbbed painfully in its cage watching this scene unfold, hyper conscious of the utter shame of the position in which I found myself. There was indeed dog shit on the bottom of his right cleat, and I worked hard to remove every trace of it (wondering if he was really going to follow through on his threat to make me eat off the bottom of his shoe).
“How are you coming with my shoes, cuck?”
“I’ve cleaned them multiple times, and I believe I’ve gotten all of the grass stains and poop off of your cleats, sir.”
I heard Brooke laugh as Luke said, “You better have, for your sake. But you can’t clean the inside of a shoe, can you?”
“No, sir.” When I had lifted his cleats off the floor to bring them upstairs, I felt the inside still moist with sweat from the game. They were far from new, and the smell certainly wasn’t pleasant as I scrubbed them clean.
Luke, with his typical abruptness and ferocity, lifted Brooke or up off the bed, and put her back down on it on her hands and knees. He swatted her bottom sharply with his hand, saying “Spread your cheeks with your fingers, keep your ass up in the air and don’t move. I’ll be right back.”
To me, he said, “You’re in luck, cuck. You’re going to get to watch today. Sit down in that chair.” He shoved me onto the chair. He then picked up one of his cleats along with the duct tape on the floor and quickly placed his shoe directly over my nose, wrapping it in place twice tightly with the tape. The tape was stuck in my hair at the back of my head and it hurt like hell when Luke ripped it off later, after he was finished pummeling my beloved Brooke. Meanwhile, he ordered me to put my wrists together and tightly wrapped them with the tape as well.
The odor of his foot sweat was overpowering, but that was my immersive sensory experience for the next 30 minutes or so. That, and watching him roughly penetrate all three of Brooke’s orifices. On this occasion, as he took her anally, he placed his foot not on her face (as he did first time I saw him take her) but rather right next to her face.
“Lick my big toe, slut.” And so Brooke began licking it, between her moans. He next made her kneel before him, and using her pigtails as grips, forced her to suck her own anal secretions off his cock. He next threw her back onto the bed, slapped her face a few times and roughly pinched her nipples, as he took her vaginally. Brooke was characteristically vocal (sounds rather than words for the most part, except for the occasional “Yes, baby,” “Softer, no harder” “Please, baby” and “Yes, I’m your dirty little slut”), again experiencing multiple orgasms. He finished by ejaculating all over her face. I resented his mistreatment of her, and imagined myself wrapping my bound hands around his neck and yanking him off her from behind before pounding his face with my bound fists. What can I say, I have a vivid imagination…That’s probably one of the key reasons I became a literature professor focused on medieval legend.
After pulling the sneaker off my face (I screamed when my hair was pulled), he said, “Time for you to kiss your wife, cuck.” I kissed her on the lips, through Luke’s reservoir of semen, repulsed but nonetheless hard against the confines of my chastity cage.
Brooke and Luke showered together. I too was permitted to shower (which was not always the case after I cleaned them, but I still had to prepare and serve dinner). Luke insisted that I put back on my cheerleader uniform to serve them. I made veggie and cheese omelettes and a salad, and stood at attention tableside, as usual, as they ate, dressed like some dirty old man’s idea of a fetishized waitress.
After they finished, Luke did indeed compel me use his cleat as my plate as I ate my omelette. The two of them watched me with amusement. When I picked up my knife and fork, Luke said, “Whoa there, prof, I’d rethink that if I were you. You want to damage my cleats? Are you stupid? Use your hands.”
“Yes, sir. I wasn’t thinking, sir.” I began pulling the egg up and eating it, but when I finished there were still bits of egg around the studs of his cleat. When I got up to take the cleat to the kitchen to clean off the egg, Luke said, “That omelette was delicious, prof. We’re all members of the clean plate club, here. Lick it clean.”
Deeply humiliated, I did as he commanded, with the two of them looking on, laughing. The evening concluded with the three of us watching an action movie on cable, with Luke using my back as a foot rest. We had all changed into our sleep clothes (Luke into a pair of boxers, Brooke into panties and a T-shirt, and me into a pair of sheer gray tights). At one point, they requested popcorn. After I served them, Luke told me I could get myself a bowl. I thought with relief that perhaps his foul mood had finally lifted.
But he then ordered me to place the bowl on the floor at his feet and then fed me kernels between his toes. Brooke looked at him, giggling, and said, “You’re terrible,” before kissing him passionately.
“That’s me, Luke the Terrible.”
I found myself wishing fervently that Luke’s team went the rest of the season undefeated.
2024.03.09 08:42 Slight-Government149 My life as an extremely online, shut-in, anti-feminist 'red piller
A while ago now, I contracted an illness that rendered me mostly housebound. Being a young, heterosexual male with poor dating prospects, I was naturally drawn to the 'manosphere' - a loose collection of websites centred around 'pick-up artists' - so I could live vicariously through their exploits. The manosphere has a reputation for being sexist, and for good reason; but what else was I supposed to do?
Before I go further, let me precede this by telling you I'm not stupid; my judgement wasn't that bad. At the start, I thought they were mostly trolling, and when they weren't, I could still see their shortcomings. For example, long before Roosh V was a Christian, he wrote a particularly smug post about religion, even though it had nothing to do with his audience at that time. This 'I'm right, everyone else is an idiot' attitude would be a taste of things to come.
With that out of the way, starting to read manosphere websites marked the beginning of my political evolution. At first, I gravitated towards libertarianism, because it seemed like the best of both worlds. Over time, I gravitated towards conservatism, then the far right, or the 'alt-right'. In my defense, I always knew my 'shut-in' status and lack of outside influences played a huge role, but I had no other avenues with which to engage with politics.
When most people look back on their lives, they have a collection of real-life experiences that shaped them: relationships that failed, nightlife venues they frequented, parties they witnessed. When I look back on my life, I have a collection of online experiences that shaped me: parasocial relationships that failed, websites I frequented, forum threads I witnessed.
One belief the manosphere instilled in me is that the universe is governed by greed. This was because of how full of grifters the manosphere was. In the past, people who wrote about seduction were professional journalists who'd been assigned to it. But pickup artists were regular guys who'd built good sex lives and, in an effort to help other men do it, started blogs. Yet the 'grassroots' nature of this community did little to stop them from scamming men. I became 'red-pilled', alright; but on people rather than women.
An experience that shaped me was watching Margin Call, a movie about Wall Street. One quote stood out: "There are three ways to make it in this business: be first, be smart, or cheat. I don't cheat, and although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first." This made me think of the 'anti-social' nature of a lot of 'successful' people, like pickup artists. They didn't have that pedantic, Jordan Peterson-like habit of getting caught up in moral conundrums; they just acted. This was driven home by an interview I read with George Clooney, where he related an anecdote about how, when he first got rich, he gave $1 million to each of his friends who'd helped him; another rich guy had asked him why he'd do that, and Clooney had thought "Why wouldn't you do that, you schmuck?"
There were upsides to being extremely online, however. One was learning about social 'faux pas' in more depth than real life would've taught me. This is because in real life, you can only really learn about the ones in your immediate culture, but on the internet, since it centralizes information, you can learn about social 'faux pas' from all sorts of cultures. It also takes a certain kind of person to teach you social graces. I have a brother-in-law who'd tell tall tales, show off his sports car, and take me to car shows, relishing being the 'cool older guy'. But he was never a mentor; the internet had to be my mentor.
Then there were the miscellaneous beliefs the internet led me to, such as the belief that excessive research is pedantic. This is because, after consuming manosphere content for years, an integral part of which were pickup artists, few of them ever did it congruently despite it being their job. This led me to conclude that 'writing' and 'doing' are two separate things, and if I wanted to 'do', I needed to engage the 'doing' part of my brain rather than the research and 'writing' part of my brain.
Another belief I developed during my years viewing manosphere and adjacent content is that it's a lot more 'engineered' and astroturfed than we're led to believe. This was for a few reasons. One reason is how many content creators lived in Washington D.C. when they started blogging (Roosh V, Roissy, Virgle Kent, Jack Murphy) or came from military or law enforcement backgrounds (Rian Stone, The Family Alpha/Zac Small/Hunter Drew, Paul from Apex Mindset, Myron Gaines from Fresh & Fit, RealFemSapien/Aly Dee, Paul from the Come On Man podcast); another is how many have been charged with crimes then, shortly after, have become content creators or, if they're not already, have started pushing an agenda (Mike Cernovich, Tanner Guzy, Rian Stone, Andrew Tate, Alex Cortes); another is that, over time, they became increasingly affiliated with the far-right, and I, despite being the quintessential shut-in, never related to it, because most people are apolitical, and if you have any self-awareness at all, you know not to go too far down rabbit holes since you have to stay anchored to reality to have the ability to persuade people of things; another is that too many users seemed too 'on the nose' with their beliefs, so they were likely bots or paid troll farm members; and another is, when Roosh V Forum suddenly changed from a pickup forum to a Christian forum that disavowed premarital sex, how many members suddenly 'realized' they were also Christians that disavowed premarital sex.
Yet another belief I developed was that extremely online people are disproportionately 'trust fund kids'. The first piece of evidence for this is how much free time they have; I've never been able to read and watch all the things some internet users do despite having all the free time in the world. The second piece of evidence is that any time someone asks what an 'average middle class income' is, commenters tend to say six figures or above. The third piece of evidence is the amount of Reddit threads that ask things like "What's the worst gift you've ever gotten?", suggesting a 'rich kid' ungratefulness. The fourth piece of evidence is the general softness and sensitivity of people on the internet.
These things turned me off spending so much time on the internet, since I'd assumed most 'extremely online' people were like me: housebound due to illness. The tendency of able-bodied people to 'front' on the internet was something I found annoying, since they had the ability to actually build the lives they wanted. There were several examples of this.
One was a blog I read years ago called something like 'female misogynist'; supposedly written by a woman, at some point - in part due to the overly-pedantic, stereotypically 'male' tone - I realized it was probably written by a man. Another was Roosh V trying to convince people he's better than gay men, despite the fact that even conservative dads would likely rather have a gay son than a son as cringe-worthy as him. And another was a commenter called Mark Minter, who went on and on about how terrible marriage was, then married someone he knew for three days. What do these people think? "If I bitch enough on the internet, the universe will reward me somehow?"
Internet commenters can be just as bad, writing in this rushed, whispered, confessional, wide-eyed tone. See Jon Anthony Lifestyle's YouTube channel for the vibe I'm talking about. He sits there in a wife beater 'exposing' other manosphere guys; there's even one particularly tasteless video 'exposing' manosphere figures' 'ugly' significant others, thus proving pickup artists and the like are 'frauds'.
They blame their failures on some conspiracy by 'normies'. This is especially hypocritical considering a lot of them are right-wing; they deny systemic bias exists against, for example, African-Americans, but if you ask them why there aren't many conservatives in Hollywood, they say it's because people are 'scheming' against them. One upside of the pickup community is that they called people out for seeking validation rather than overcoming their failures. It gets under their skin when someone from the 'other side' is rational, because it legitimizes the 'other side'. I know this because it used to get under my skin.
Internet commenters also tend to look for the one person to validate their insanity rather than just not be insane in the first place. Jon Fitch told a story about a guy who wanted to learn MMA but didn't want to do conditioning, but Fitch told him he had to. Fitch later found out this guy had contacted a whole bunch of MMA gyms asking the same thing, looking for that one person to say "yes, you can be out of shape and still be a mixed martial artist".
It also doesn't matter to them if the views they're seeking validation for contradict their other views. Matt Forney hated fat women but is fat himself. Roosh always made fun of women being slovenly, promiscuous, validation junkies but was one himself. He also hated 'neurotic' Jews despite being like a parody of a Woody Allen character. Roosh V Forum was full of men who leveraged their developed country citizenship status into easy sex. But Roosh V Forum was also a bastion of radical anti-immigration sentiment. Never mind that Roosh V Forum members were self-described 'love tourists', essentially sex tourists, and immigrants immigrate for jobs. Then there's Rollo Tomassi, who complains about society becoming 'feminized' yet is the most passive-aggressive person I've ever come across, man or woman. (On that note, the manosphere rivals celebrity gossip for cattiness. I'm not even joking; I've read celebrity gossip.) There's also Jack Murphy, a self-styled macho man who's into cuckolding. He's not the only one; a lot of others of his ilk, such as Mike Cernovich and Jon Anthony, have admitted to being with transwomen. And Jon from Modern Life Dating preaches the importance of physical fitness but gets liposuction.
But validation seems addictive, so not all 'pickup artist' and 'manosphere' content creators are immune to it. This taught me a lesson about human nature: as long as people could find a proverbial 'room' where everyone thought like them, all other opinions - for all intents and purposes - didn't exist. This didn't appeal to me; I'd think the universe would always somehow know whether someone's right or wrong.
I knew it was time to spend less time on the internet when I became 'post-political'. What I meant by this is that, even when I agreed with someone, if I felt they were politicking I was nevertheless turned off. One example of this is this 'faux surprise' thing people do where, when they're arguing with someone, they feign surprise at their opponent not jumping through this trivial moral hoop. It's like they all read some lame self-help book about 'projecting confidence'.
The internet becoming increasingly 'engineered' and astroturfed and the men's movement petering out was my political education. I imagine this is how other hopeful, idealistic people feel when a movement fails. It's funny when people say the manosphere radicalizes men, because it had the opposite effect on me, making me see why feminists are so cautious of men.
I know what you're thinking: I drifted away from the manosphere because I never fully swallowed 'the red pill'. But that's not true; I still see how feminism fails to properly deal with 'low-status men'. It's just that I've grown out of binary thinking.
Or you might think I drifted away from it because I'm magnanimous. But that's not true; growing up, I was pretty bratty. But if you spend enough time on the internet, you will find people cringe-worthy. A lot of them are legitimately insane, as in potentially psychotic or schizophrenic. Rollo Tomassi used to get under my skin, but after Roosh V's mental breakdown, I wouldn't be surprised if Rollo has one too. He's halfway there already; his views are so intricate, they're like a schizophrenic person who 'sees' subliminal messages in newspapers.
So if you're still addicted to rage-bait, don't worry too much; you'll probably grow out of it.
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Before I go further, let me precede this by telling you I'm not stupid; my judgement wasn't that bad. At the start, I thought they were mostly trolling, and when they weren't, I could still see their shortcomings. For example, long before Roosh V was a Christian, he wrote a particularly smug post about religion, even though it had nothing to do with his audience at that time. This 'I'm right, everyone else is an idiot' attitude would be a taste of things to come.
With that out of the way, starting to read manosphere websites marked the beginning of my political evolution. At first, I gravitated towards libertarianism, because it seemed like the best of both worlds. Over time, I gravitated towards conservatism, then the far right, or the 'alt-right'. In my defense, I always knew my 'shut-in' status and lack of outside influences played a huge role, but I had no other avenues with which to engage with politics.
When most people look back on their lives, they have a collection of real-life experiences that shaped them: relationships that failed, nightlife venues they frequented, parties they witnessed. When I look back on my life, I have a collection of online experiences that shaped me: parasocial relationships that failed, websites I frequented, forum threads I witnessed.
One belief the manosphere instilled in me is that the universe is governed by greed. This was because of how full of grifters the manosphere was. In the past, people who wrote about seduction were professional journalists who'd been assigned to it. But pickup artists were regular guys who'd built good sex lives and, in an effort to help other men do it, started blogs. Yet the 'grassroots' nature of this community did little to stop them from scamming men. I became 'red-pilled', alright; but on people rather than women.
An experience that shaped me was watching Margin Call, a movie about Wall Street. One quote stood out: "There are three ways to make it in this business: be first, be smart, or cheat. I don't cheat, and although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first." This made me think of the 'anti-social' nature of a lot of 'successful' people, like pickup artists. They didn't have that pedantic, Jordan Peterson-like habit of getting caught up in moral conundrums; they just acted. This was driven home by an interview I read with George Clooney, where he related an anecdote about how, when he first got rich, he gave $1 million to each of his friends who'd helped him; another rich guy had asked him why he'd do that, and Clooney had thought "Why wouldn't you do that, you schmuck?"
There were upsides to being extremely online, however. One was learning about social 'faux pas' in more depth than real life would've taught me. This is because in real life, you can only really learn about the ones in your immediate culture, but on the internet, since it centralizes information, you can learn about social 'faux pas' from all sorts of cultures. It also takes a certain kind of person to teach you social graces. I have a brother-in-law who'd tell tall tales, show off his sports car, and take me to car shows, relishing being the 'cool older guy'. But he was never a mentor; the internet had to be my mentor.
Then there were the miscellaneous beliefs the internet led me to, such as the belief that excessive research is pedantic. This is because, after consuming manosphere content for years, an integral part of which were pickup artists, few of them ever did it congruently despite it being their job. This led me to conclude that 'writing' and 'doing' are two separate things, and if I wanted to 'do', I needed to engage the 'doing' part of my brain rather than the research and 'writing' part of my brain.
Another belief I developed during my years viewing manosphere and adjacent content is that it's a lot more 'engineered' and astroturfed than we're led to believe. This was for a few reasons. One reason is how many content creators lived in Washington D.C. when they started blogging (Roosh V, Roissy, Virgle Kent, Jack Murphy) or came from military or law enforcement backgrounds (Rian Stone, The Family Alpha/Zac Small/Hunter Drew, Paul from Apex Mindset, Myron Gaines from Fresh & Fit, RealFemSapien/Aly Dee, Paul from the Come On Man podcast); another is how many have been charged with crimes then, shortly after, have become content creators or, if they're not already, have started pushing an agenda (Mike Cernovich, Tanner Guzy, Rian Stone, Andrew Tate, Alex Cortes); another is that, over time, they became increasingly affiliated with the far-right, and I, despite being the quintessential shut-in, never related to it, because most people are apolitical, and if you have any self-awareness at all, you know not to go too far down rabbit holes since you have to stay anchored to reality to have the ability to persuade people of things; another is that too many users seemed too 'on the nose' with their beliefs, so they were likely bots or paid troll farm members; and another is, when Roosh V Forum suddenly changed from a pickup forum to a Christian forum that disavowed premarital sex, how many members suddenly 'realized' they were also Christians that disavowed premarital sex.
Yet another belief I developed was that extremely online people are disproportionately 'trust fund kids'. The first piece of evidence for this is how much free time they have; I've never been able to read and watch all the things some internet users do despite having all the free time in the world. The second piece of evidence is that any time someone asks what an 'average middle class income' is, commenters tend to say six figures or above. The third piece of evidence is the amount of Reddit threads that ask things like "What's the worst gift you've ever gotten?", suggesting a 'rich kid' ungratefulness. The fourth piece of evidence is the general softness and sensitivity of people on the internet.
These things turned me off spending so much time on the internet, since I'd assumed most 'extremely online' people were like me: housebound due to illness. The tendency of able-bodied people to 'front' on the internet was something I found annoying, since they had the ability to actually build the lives they wanted. There were several examples of this.
One was a blog I read years ago called something like 'female misogynist'; supposedly written by a woman, at some point - in part due to the overly-pedantic, stereotypically 'male' tone - I realized it was probably written by a man. Another was Roosh V trying to convince people he's better than gay men, despite the fact that even conservative dads would likely rather have a gay son than a son as cringe-worthy as him. And another was a commenter called Mark Minter, who went on and on about how terrible marriage was, then married someone he knew for three days. What do these people think? "If I bitch enough on the internet, the universe will reward me somehow?"
Internet commenters can be just as bad, writing in this rushed, whispered, confessional, wide-eyed tone. See Jon Anthony Lifestyle's YouTube channel for the vibe I'm talking about. He sits there in a wife beater 'exposing' other manosphere guys; there's even one particularly tasteless video 'exposing' manosphere figures' 'ugly' significant others, thus proving pickup artists and the like are 'frauds'.
They blame their failures on some conspiracy by 'normies'. This is especially hypocritical considering a lot of them are right-wing; they deny systemic bias exists against, for example, African-Americans, but if you ask them why there aren't many conservatives in Hollywood, they say it's because people are 'scheming' against them. One upside of the pickup community is that they called people out for seeking validation rather than overcoming their failures. It gets under their skin when someone from the 'other side' is rational, because it legitimizes the 'other side'. I know this because it used to get under my skin.
Internet commenters also tend to look for the one person to validate their insanity rather than just not be insane in the first place. Jon Fitch told a story about a guy who wanted to learn MMA but didn't want to do conditioning, but Fitch told him he had to. Fitch later found out this guy had contacted a whole bunch of MMA gyms asking the same thing, looking for that one person to say "yes, you can be out of shape and still be a mixed martial artist".
It also doesn't matter to them if the views they're seeking validation for contradict their other views. Matt Forney hated fat women but is fat himself. Roosh always made fun of women being slovenly, promiscuous, validation junkies but was one himself. He also hated 'neurotic' Jews despite being like a parody of a Woody Allen character. Roosh V Forum was full of men who leveraged their developed country citizenship status into easy sex. But Roosh V Forum was also a bastion of radical anti-immigration sentiment. Never mind that Roosh V Forum members were self-described 'love tourists', essentially sex tourists, and immigrants immigrate for jobs. Then there's Rollo Tomassi, who complains about society becoming 'feminized' yet is the most passive-aggressive person I've ever come across, man or woman. (On that note, the manosphere rivals celebrity gossip for cattiness. I'm not even joking; I've read celebrity gossip.) There's also Jack Murphy, a self-styled macho man who's into cuckolding. He's not the only one; a lot of others of his ilk, such as Mike Cernovich and Jon Anthony, have admitted to being with transwomen. And Jon from Modern Life Dating preaches the importance of physical fitness but gets liposuction.
But validation seems addictive, so not all 'pickup artist' and 'manosphere' content creators are immune to it. This taught me a lesson about human nature: as long as people could find a proverbial 'room' where everyone thought like them, all other opinions - for all intents and purposes - didn't exist. This didn't appeal to me; I'd think the universe would always somehow know whether someone's right or wrong.
I knew it was time to spend less time on the internet when I became 'post-political'. What I meant by this is that, even when I agreed with someone, if I felt they were politicking I was nevertheless turned off. One example of this is this 'faux surprise' thing people do where, when they're arguing with someone, they feign surprise at their opponent not jumping through this trivial moral hoop. It's like they all read some lame self-help book about 'projecting confidence'.
The internet becoming increasingly 'engineered' and astroturfed and the men's movement petering out was my political education. I imagine this is how other hopeful, idealistic people feel when a movement fails. It's funny when people say the manosphere radicalizes men, because it had the opposite effect on me, making me see why feminists are so cautious of men.
I know what you're thinking: I drifted away from the manosphere because I never fully swallowed 'the red pill'. But that's not true; I still see how feminism fails to properly deal with 'low-status men'. It's just that I've grown out of binary thinking.
Or you might think I drifted away from it because I'm magnanimous. But that's not true; growing up, I was pretty bratty. But if you spend enough time on the internet, you will find people cringe-worthy. A lot of them are legitimately insane, as in potentially psychotic or schizophrenic. Rollo Tomassi used to get under my skin, but after Roosh V's mental breakdown, I wouldn't be surprised if Rollo has one too. He's halfway there already; his views are so intricate, they're like a schizophrenic person who 'sees' subliminal messages in newspapers.
So if you're still addicted to rage-bait, don't worry too much; you'll probably grow out of it.
2024.03.08 11:15 Slight-Government149 A detailed summary of my time in the manosphere
A while ago now, I contracted an illness that rendered me mostly housebound. Being a young, heterosexual male with poor dating prospects, I was naturally drawn to the 'manosphere' - a loose collection of websites centred around 'pick-up artists' - so I could live vicariously through their exploits. The manosphere has a reputation for being sexist, and for good reason; but what else was I supposed to do?
Before I go further, let me precede this by telling you I'm not stupid; my judgement wasn't that bad. At the start, I thought they were mostly trolling, and when they weren't, I could still see their shortcomings. For example, long before Roosh V was a Christian, he wrote a particularly smug post about religion, even though it had nothing to do with his audience at that time. This 'I'm right, everyone else is an idiot' attitude would be a taste of things to come.
With that out of the way, starting to read manosphere websites marked the beginning of my political evolution. At first, I gravitated towards libertarianism, because it seemed like the best of both worlds. Over time, I gravitated towards conservatism, then the far right, or the 'alt-right'. In my defense, I always knew my 'shut-in' status and lack of outside influences played a huge role, but I had no other avenues with which to engage with politics.
When most people look back on their lives, they have a collection of real-life experiences that shaped them: relationships that failed, nightlife venues they frequented, parties they witnessed. When I look back on my life, I have a collection of online experiences that shaped me: parasocial relationships that failed, websites I frequented, forum threads I witnessed.
One belief the manosphere instilled in me is that the universe is governed by greed. This was because of how full of grifters the manosphere was. In the past, people who wrote about seduction were professional journalists who'd been assigned to it. But pickup artists were regular guys who'd built good sex lives and, in an effort to help other men do it, started blogs. Yet the 'grassroots' nature of this community did little to stop them from scamming men. I became 'red-pilled', alright; but on people rather than women.
An experience that shaped me was watching Margin Call, a movie about Wall Street. One quote stood out: "There are three ways to make it in this business: be first, be smart, or cheat. I don't cheat, and although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first." This made me think of the 'anti-social' nature of a lot of 'successful' people, like pickup artists. They didn't have that pedantic, Jordan Peterson-like habit of getting caught up in moral conundrums; they just acted. This was driven home by an interview I read with George Clooney, where he related an anecdote about how, when he first got rich, he gave $1 million to each of his friends who'd helped him; another rich guy had asked him why he'd do that, and Clooney had thought "Why wouldn't you do that, you schmuck?"
There were upsides to being extremely online, however. One was learning about social 'faux pas' in more depth than real life would've taught me. This is because in real life, you can only really learn about the ones in your immediate culture, but on the internet, since it centralizes information, you can learn about social 'faux pas' from all sorts of cultures. It also takes a certain kind of person to teach you social graces. I have a brother-in-law who'd tell tall tales, show off his sports car, and take me to car shows, relishing being the 'cool older guy'. But he was never a mentor; the internet had to be my mentor.
Then there were the miscellaneous beliefs the internet led me to, such as the belief that excessive research is pedantic. This is because, after consuming manosphere content for years, an integral part of which were pickup artists, few of them ever did it congruently despite it being their job. This led me to conclude that 'writing' and 'doing' are two separate things, and if I wanted to 'do', I needed to engage the 'doing' part of my brain rather than the research and 'writing' part of my brain.
Another belief I developed during my years viewing manosphere and adjacent content is that it's a lot more 'engineered' and astroturfed than we're led to believe. This was for a few reasons. One reason is how many content creators lived in Washington D.C. when they started blogging (Roosh V, Roissy, Virgle Kent, Jack Murphy) or came from military or law enforcement backgrounds (Rian Stone, The Family Alpha/Zac Small/Hunter Drew, Paul from Apex Mindset, Myron Gaines from Fresh & Fit, RealFemSapien/Aly Dee, Paul from the Come On Man podcast); another is how many have been charged with crimes then, shortly after, have become content creators or, if they're not already, have started pushing an agenda (Mike Cernovich, Tanner Guzy, Rian Stone, Andrew Tate, Alex Cortes); another is that, over time, they became increasingly affiliated with the far-right, and I, despite being the quintessential shut-in, never related to it, because most people are apolitical, and if you have any self-awareness at all, you know not to go too far down rabbit holes since you have to stay anchored to reality to have the ability to persuade people of things; another is that too many users seemed too 'on the nose' with their beliefs, so they were likely bots or paid troll farm members; and another is, when Roosh V Forum suddenly changed from a pickup forum to a Christian forum that disavowed premarital sex, how many members suddenly 'realized' they were also Christians that disavowed premarital sex.
Yet another belief I developed was that extremely online people are disproportionately 'trust fund kids'. The first piece of evidence for this is how much free time they have; I've never been able to read and watch all the things some internet users do despite having all the free time in the world. The second piece of evidence is that any time someone asks what an 'average middle class income' is, commenters tend to say six figures or above. The third piece of evidence is the amount of Reddit threads that ask things like "What's the worst gift you've ever gotten?", suggesting a 'rich kid' ungratefulness. The fourth piece of evidence is the general softness and sensitivity of people on the internet.
These things turned me off spending so much time on the internet, since I'd assumed most 'extremely online' people were like me: housebound due to illness. The tendency of able-bodied people to 'front' on the internet was something I found annoying, since they had the ability to actually build the lives they wanted. There were several examples of this.
One was a blog I read years ago called something like 'female misogynist'; supposedly written by a woman, at some point - in part due to the overly-pedantic, stereotypically 'male' tone - I realized it was probably written by a man. Another was Roosh V trying to convince people he's better than gay men, despite the fact that even conservative dads would likely rather have a gay son than a son as cringe-worthy as him. And another was a commenter called Mark Minter, who went on and on about how terrible marriage was, then married someone he knew for three days. What do these people think? "If I bitch enough on the internet, the universe will reward me somehow?"
Internet commenters can be just as bad, writing in this rushed, whispered, confessional, wide-eyed tone. See Jon Anthony Lifestyle's YouTube channel for the vibe I'm talking about. He sits there in a wife beater 'exposing' other manosphere guys; there's even one particularly tasteless video 'exposing' manosphere figures' 'ugly' significant others, thus proving pickup artists and the like are 'frauds'.
They blame their failures on some conspiracy by 'normies'. This is especially hypocritical considering a lot of them are right-wing; they deny systemic bias exists against, for example, African-Americans, but if you ask them why there aren't many conservatives in Hollywood, they say it's because people are 'scheming' against them. One upside of the pickup community is that they called people out for seeking validation rather than overcoming their failures. It gets under their skin when someone from the 'other side' is rational, because it legitimizes the 'other side'. I know this because it used to get under my skin.
Internet commenters also tend to look for the one person to validate their insanity rather than just not be insane in the first place. Jon Fitch told a story about a guy who wanted to learn MMA but didn't want to do conditioning, but Fitch told him he had to. Fitch later found out this guy had contacted a whole bunch of MMA gyms asking the same thing, looking for that one person to say "yes, you can be out of shape and still be a mixed martial artist".
It also doesn't matter to them if the views they're seeking validation for contradict their other views. Matt Forney hated fat women but is fat himself. Roosh always made fun of women being slovenly, promiscuous, validation junkies but was one himself. He also hated 'neurotic' Jews despite being like a parody of a Woody Allen character. Roosh V Forum was full of men who leveraged their developed country citizenship status into easy sex. But Roosh V Forum was also a bastion of radical anti-immigration sentiment. Never mind that Roosh V Forum members were self-described 'love tourists', essentially sex tourists, and immigrants immigrate for jobs. Then there's Rollo Tomassi, who complains about society becoming 'feminized' yet is the most passive-aggressive person I've ever come across, man or woman. (On that note, the manosphere rivals celebrity gossip for cattiness. I'm not even joking; I've read celebrity gossip.) There's also Jack Murphy, a self-styled macho man who's into cuckolding. He's not the only one; a lot of others of his ilk, such as Mike Cernovich and Jon Anthony, have admitted to being with transwomen. And Jon from Modern Life Dating preaches the importance of physical fitness but gets liposuction.
But validation seems addictive, so not all 'pickup artist' and 'manosphere' content creators are immune to it. This taught me a lesson about human nature: as long as people could find a proverbial 'room' where everyone thought like them, all other opinions - for all intents and purposes - didn't exist. This didn't appeal to me; I'd think the universe would always somehow know whether someone's right or wrong.
I knew it was time to spend less time on the internet when I became 'post-political'. What I meant by this is that, even when I agreed with someone, if I felt they were politicking I was nevertheless turned off. One example of this is this 'faux surprise' thing people do where, when they're arguing with someone, they feign surprise at their opponent not jumping through this trivial moral hoop. It's like they all read some lame self-help book about 'projecting confidence'.
The internet becoming increasingly 'engineered' and astroturfed and the men's movement petering out was my political education. I imagine this is how other hopeful, idealistic people feel when a movement fails. It's funny when people say the manosphere radicalizes men, because it had the opposite effect on me, making me see why feminists are so cautious of men.
I know what you're thinking: I drifted away from the manosphere because I never fully swallowed 'the red pill'. But that's not true; I still see how feminism fails to properly deal with 'low-status men'. It's just that I've grown out of binary thinking.
Or you might think I drifted away from it because I'm magnanimous. But that's not true; growing up, I was pretty bratty. But if you spend enough time on the internet, you will find people cringe-worthy. A lot of them are legitimately insane, as in potentially psychotic or schizophrenic. Rollo Tomassi used to get under my skin, but after Roosh V's mental breakdown, I wouldn't be surprised if Rollo has one too. He's halfway there already; his views are so intricate, they're like a schizophrenic person who 'sees' subliminal messages in newspapers.
So if you're still addicted to rage-bait, don't worry too much; you'll probably grow out of it.
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Before I go further, let me precede this by telling you I'm not stupid; my judgement wasn't that bad. At the start, I thought they were mostly trolling, and when they weren't, I could still see their shortcomings. For example, long before Roosh V was a Christian, he wrote a particularly smug post about religion, even though it had nothing to do with his audience at that time. This 'I'm right, everyone else is an idiot' attitude would be a taste of things to come.
With that out of the way, starting to read manosphere websites marked the beginning of my political evolution. At first, I gravitated towards libertarianism, because it seemed like the best of both worlds. Over time, I gravitated towards conservatism, then the far right, or the 'alt-right'. In my defense, I always knew my 'shut-in' status and lack of outside influences played a huge role, but I had no other avenues with which to engage with politics.
When most people look back on their lives, they have a collection of real-life experiences that shaped them: relationships that failed, nightlife venues they frequented, parties they witnessed. When I look back on my life, I have a collection of online experiences that shaped me: parasocial relationships that failed, websites I frequented, forum threads I witnessed.
One belief the manosphere instilled in me is that the universe is governed by greed. This was because of how full of grifters the manosphere was. In the past, people who wrote about seduction were professional journalists who'd been assigned to it. But pickup artists were regular guys who'd built good sex lives and, in an effort to help other men do it, started blogs. Yet the 'grassroots' nature of this community did little to stop them from scamming men. I became 'red-pilled', alright; but on people rather than women.
An experience that shaped me was watching Margin Call, a movie about Wall Street. One quote stood out: "There are three ways to make it in this business: be first, be smart, or cheat. I don't cheat, and although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first." This made me think of the 'anti-social' nature of a lot of 'successful' people, like pickup artists. They didn't have that pedantic, Jordan Peterson-like habit of getting caught up in moral conundrums; they just acted. This was driven home by an interview I read with George Clooney, where he related an anecdote about how, when he first got rich, he gave $1 million to each of his friends who'd helped him; another rich guy had asked him why he'd do that, and Clooney had thought "Why wouldn't you do that, you schmuck?"
There were upsides to being extremely online, however. One was learning about social 'faux pas' in more depth than real life would've taught me. This is because in real life, you can only really learn about the ones in your immediate culture, but on the internet, since it centralizes information, you can learn about social 'faux pas' from all sorts of cultures. It also takes a certain kind of person to teach you social graces. I have a brother-in-law who'd tell tall tales, show off his sports car, and take me to car shows, relishing being the 'cool older guy'. But he was never a mentor; the internet had to be my mentor.
Then there were the miscellaneous beliefs the internet led me to, such as the belief that excessive research is pedantic. This is because, after consuming manosphere content for years, an integral part of which were pickup artists, few of them ever did it congruently despite it being their job. This led me to conclude that 'writing' and 'doing' are two separate things, and if I wanted to 'do', I needed to engage the 'doing' part of my brain rather than the research and 'writing' part of my brain.
Another belief I developed during my years viewing manosphere and adjacent content is that it's a lot more 'engineered' and astroturfed than we're led to believe. This was for a few reasons. One reason is how many content creators lived in Washington D.C. when they started blogging (Roosh V, Roissy, Virgle Kent, Jack Murphy) or came from military or law enforcement backgrounds (Rian Stone, The Family Alpha/Zac Small/Hunter Drew, Paul from Apex Mindset, Myron Gaines from Fresh & Fit, RealFemSapien/Aly Dee, Paul from the Come On Man podcast); another is how many have been charged with crimes then, shortly after, have become content creators or, if they're not already, have started pushing an agenda (Mike Cernovich, Tanner Guzy, Rian Stone, Andrew Tate, Alex Cortes); another is that, over time, they became increasingly affiliated with the far-right, and I, despite being the quintessential shut-in, never related to it, because most people are apolitical, and if you have any self-awareness at all, you know not to go too far down rabbit holes since you have to stay anchored to reality to have the ability to persuade people of things; another is that too many users seemed too 'on the nose' with their beliefs, so they were likely bots or paid troll farm members; and another is, when Roosh V Forum suddenly changed from a pickup forum to a Christian forum that disavowed premarital sex, how many members suddenly 'realized' they were also Christians that disavowed premarital sex.
Yet another belief I developed was that extremely online people are disproportionately 'trust fund kids'. The first piece of evidence for this is how much free time they have; I've never been able to read and watch all the things some internet users do despite having all the free time in the world. The second piece of evidence is that any time someone asks what an 'average middle class income' is, commenters tend to say six figures or above. The third piece of evidence is the amount of Reddit threads that ask things like "What's the worst gift you've ever gotten?", suggesting a 'rich kid' ungratefulness. The fourth piece of evidence is the general softness and sensitivity of people on the internet.
These things turned me off spending so much time on the internet, since I'd assumed most 'extremely online' people were like me: housebound due to illness. The tendency of able-bodied people to 'front' on the internet was something I found annoying, since they had the ability to actually build the lives they wanted. There were several examples of this.
One was a blog I read years ago called something like 'female misogynist'; supposedly written by a woman, at some point - in part due to the overly-pedantic, stereotypically 'male' tone - I realized it was probably written by a man. Another was Roosh V trying to convince people he's better than gay men, despite the fact that even conservative dads would likely rather have a gay son than a son as cringe-worthy as him. And another was a commenter called Mark Minter, who went on and on about how terrible marriage was, then married someone he knew for three days. What do these people think? "If I bitch enough on the internet, the universe will reward me somehow?"
Internet commenters can be just as bad, writing in this rushed, whispered, confessional, wide-eyed tone. See Jon Anthony Lifestyle's YouTube channel for the vibe I'm talking about. He sits there in a wife beater 'exposing' other manosphere guys; there's even one particularly tasteless video 'exposing' manosphere figures' 'ugly' significant others, thus proving pickup artists and the like are 'frauds'.
They blame their failures on some conspiracy by 'normies'. This is especially hypocritical considering a lot of them are right-wing; they deny systemic bias exists against, for example, African-Americans, but if you ask them why there aren't many conservatives in Hollywood, they say it's because people are 'scheming' against them. One upside of the pickup community is that they called people out for seeking validation rather than overcoming their failures. It gets under their skin when someone from the 'other side' is rational, because it legitimizes the 'other side'. I know this because it used to get under my skin.
Internet commenters also tend to look for the one person to validate their insanity rather than just not be insane in the first place. Jon Fitch told a story about a guy who wanted to learn MMA but didn't want to do conditioning, but Fitch told him he had to. Fitch later found out this guy had contacted a whole bunch of MMA gyms asking the same thing, looking for that one person to say "yes, you can be out of shape and still be a mixed martial artist".
It also doesn't matter to them if the views they're seeking validation for contradict their other views. Matt Forney hated fat women but is fat himself. Roosh always made fun of women being slovenly, promiscuous, validation junkies but was one himself. He also hated 'neurotic' Jews despite being like a parody of a Woody Allen character. Roosh V Forum was full of men who leveraged their developed country citizenship status into easy sex. But Roosh V Forum was also a bastion of radical anti-immigration sentiment. Never mind that Roosh V Forum members were self-described 'love tourists', essentially sex tourists, and immigrants immigrate for jobs. Then there's Rollo Tomassi, who complains about society becoming 'feminized' yet is the most passive-aggressive person I've ever come across, man or woman. (On that note, the manosphere rivals celebrity gossip for cattiness. I'm not even joking; I've read celebrity gossip.) There's also Jack Murphy, a self-styled macho man who's into cuckolding. He's not the only one; a lot of others of his ilk, such as Mike Cernovich and Jon Anthony, have admitted to being with transwomen. And Jon from Modern Life Dating preaches the importance of physical fitness but gets liposuction.
But validation seems addictive, so not all 'pickup artist' and 'manosphere' content creators are immune to it. This taught me a lesson about human nature: as long as people could find a proverbial 'room' where everyone thought like them, all other opinions - for all intents and purposes - didn't exist. This didn't appeal to me; I'd think the universe would always somehow know whether someone's right or wrong.
I knew it was time to spend less time on the internet when I became 'post-political'. What I meant by this is that, even when I agreed with someone, if I felt they were politicking I was nevertheless turned off. One example of this is this 'faux surprise' thing people do where, when they're arguing with someone, they feign surprise at their opponent not jumping through this trivial moral hoop. It's like they all read some lame self-help book about 'projecting confidence'.
The internet becoming increasingly 'engineered' and astroturfed and the men's movement petering out was my political education. I imagine this is how other hopeful, idealistic people feel when a movement fails. It's funny when people say the manosphere radicalizes men, because it had the opposite effect on me, making me see why feminists are so cautious of men.
I know what you're thinking: I drifted away from the manosphere because I never fully swallowed 'the red pill'. But that's not true; I still see how feminism fails to properly deal with 'low-status men'. It's just that I've grown out of binary thinking.
Or you might think I drifted away from it because I'm magnanimous. But that's not true; growing up, I was pretty bratty. But if you spend enough time on the internet, you will find people cringe-worthy. A lot of them are legitimately insane, as in potentially psychotic or schizophrenic. Rollo Tomassi used to get under my skin, but after Roosh V's mental breakdown, I wouldn't be surprised if Rollo has one too. He's halfway there already; his views are so intricate, they're like a schizophrenic person who 'sees' subliminal messages in newspapers.
So if you're still addicted to rage-bait, don't worry too much; you'll probably grow out of it.
2024.03.07 12:52 Slight-Government149 My life as an extremely online, shut-in, anti-feminist 'red piller'
A while ago now, I contracted an illness that rendered me mostly housebound. Being a young, heterosexual male with poor dating prospects, I was naturally drawn to the 'manosphere' - a loose collection of websites centred around 'pick-up artists' - so I could live vicariously through their exploits. The manosphere has a reputation for being sexist, and for good reason; but what else was I supposed to do?
Before I go further, let me precede this by telling you I'm not stupid; my judgement wasn't that bad. At the start, I thought they were mostly trolling, and when they weren't, I could still see their shortcomings. For example, long before Roosh V was a Christian, he wrote a particularly smug post about religion, even though it had nothing to do with his audience at that time. This 'I'm right, everyone else is an idiot' attitude would be a taste of things to come.
With that out of the way, starting to read manosphere websites marked the beginning of my political evolution. At first, I gravitated towards libertarianism, because it seemed like the best of both worlds. Over time, I gravitated towards conservatism, then the far right, or the 'alt-right'. In my defense, I always knew my 'shut-in' status and lack of outside influences played a huge role, but I had no other avenues with which to engage with politics.
When most people look back on their lives, they have a collection of real-life experiences that shaped them: relationships that failed, nightlife venues they frequented, parties they witnessed. When I look back on my life, I have a collection of online experiences that shaped me: parasocial relationships that failed, websites I frequented, forum threads I witnessed.
One belief the manosphere instilled in me is that the universe is governed by greed. This was because of how full of grifters the manosphere was. In the past, people who wrote about seduction were professional journalists who'd been assigned to it. But pickup artists were regular guys who'd built good sex lives and, in an effort to help other men do it, started blogs. Yet the 'grassroots' nature of this community did little to stop them from scamming men. I became 'red-pilled', alright; but on people rather than women.
An experience that shaped me was watching Margin Call, a movie about Wall Street. One quote stood out: "There are three ways to make it in this business: be first, be smart, or cheat. I don't cheat, and although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first." This made me think of the 'anti-social' nature of a lot of 'successful' people, like pickup artists. They didn't have that pedantic, Jordan Peterson-like habit of getting caught up in moral conundrums; they just acted. This was driven home by an interview I read with George Clooney, where he related an anecdote about how, when he first got rich, he gave $1 million to each of his friends who'd helped him; another rich guy had asked him why he'd do that, and Clooney had thought "Why wouldn't you do that, you schmuck?"
There were upsides to being extremely online, however. One was learning about social 'faux pas' in more depth than real life would've taught me. This is because in real life, you can only really learn about the ones in your immediate culture, but on the internet, since it centralizes information, you can learn about social 'faux pas' from all sorts of cultures. It also takes a certain kind of person to teach you social graces. I have a brother-in-law who'd tell tall tales, show off his sports car, and take me to car shows, relishing being the 'cool older guy'. But he was never a mentor; the internet had to be my mentor.
Then there were the miscellaneous beliefs the internet led me to, such as the belief that excessive research is pedantic. This is because, after consuming manosphere content for years, an integral part of which were pickup artists, few of them ever did it congruently despite it being their job. This led me to conclude that 'writing' and 'doing' are two separate things, and if I wanted to 'do', I needed to engage the 'doing' part of my brain rather than the research and 'writing' part of my brain.
Another belief I developed during my years viewing manosphere and adjacent content is that it's a lot more 'engineered' and astroturfed than we're led to believe. This was for a few reasons. One reason is how many content creators lived in Washington D.C. when they started blogging (Roosh V, Roissy, Virgle Kent, Jack Murphy) or came from military or law enforcement backgrounds (Rian Stone, The Family Alpha/Zac Small/Hunter Drew, Paul from Apex Mindset, Myron Gaines from Fresh & Fit, RealFemSapien/Aly Dee, Paul from the Come On Man podcast); another is how many have been charged with crimes then, shortly after, have become content creators or, if they're not already, have started pushing an agenda (Mike Cernovich, Tanner Guzy, Rian Stone, Andrew Tate, Alex Cortes); another is that, over time, they became increasingly affiliated with the far-right, and I, despite being the quintessential shut-in, never related to it, because most people are apolitical, and if you have any self-awareness at all, you know not to go too far down rabbit holes since you have to stay anchored to reality to have the ability to persuade people of things; another is that too many users seemed too 'on the nose' with their beliefs, so they were likely bots or paid troll farm members; and another is, when Roosh V Forum suddenly changed from a pickup forum to a Christian forum that disavowed premarital sex, how many members suddenly 'realized' they were also Christians that disavowed premarital sex.
Yet another belief I developed was that extremely online people are disproportionately 'trust fund kids'. The first piece of evidence for this is how much free time they have; I've never been able to read and watch all the things some internet users do despite having all the free time in the world. The second piece of evidence is that any time someone asks what an 'average middle class income' is, commenters tend to say six figures or above. The third piece of evidence is the amount of Reddit threads that ask things like "What's the worst gift you've ever gotten?", suggesting a 'rich kid' ungratefulness. The fourth piece of evidence is the general softness and sensitivity of people on the internet.
These things turned me off spending so much time on the internet, since I'd assumed most 'extremely online' people were like me: housebound due to illness. The tendency of able-bodied people to 'front' on the internet was something I found annoying, since they had the ability to actually build the lives they wanted. There were several examples of this.
One was a blog I read years ago called something like 'female misogynist'; supposedly written by a woman, at some point - in part due to the overly-pedantic, stereotypically 'male' tone - I realized it was probably written by a man. Another was Roosh V trying to convince people he's better than gay men, despite the fact that even conservative dads would likely rather have a gay son than a son as cringe-worthy as him. And another was a commenter called Mark Minter, who went on and on about how terrible marriage was, then married someone he knew for three days. What do these people think? "If I bitch enough on the internet, the universe will reward me somehow?"
Internet commenters can be just as bad, writing in this rushed, whispered, confessional, wide-eyed tone. See Jon Anthony Lifestyle's YouTube channel for the vibe I'm talking about. He sits there in a wife beater 'exposing' other manosphere guys; there's even one particularly tasteless video 'exposing' manosphere figures' 'ugly' significant others, thus proving pickup artists and the like are 'frauds'.
They blame their failures on some conspiracy by 'normies'. This is especially hypocritical considering a lot of them are right-wing; they deny systemic bias exists against, for example, African-Americans, but if you ask them why there aren't many conservatives in Hollywood, they say it's because people are 'scheming' against them. One upside of the pickup community is that they called people out for seeking validation rather than overcoming their failures. It gets under their skin when someone from the 'other side' is rational, because it legitimizes the 'other side'. I know this because it used to get under my skin.
Internet commenters also tend to look for the one person to validate their insanity rather than just not be insane in the first place. Jon Fitch told a story about a guy who wanted to learn MMA but didn't want to do conditioning, but Fitch told him he had to. Fitch later found out this guy had contacted a whole bunch of MMA gyms asking the same thing, looking for that one person to say "yes, you can be out of shape and still be a mixed martial artist".
It also doesn't matter to them if the views they're seeking validation for contradict their other views. Matt Forney hated fat women but is fat himself. Roosh always made fun of women being slovenly, promiscuous, validation junkies but was one himself. He also hated 'neurotic' Jews despite being like a parody of a Woody Allen character. Roosh V Forum was full of men who leveraged their developed country citizenship status into easy sex. But Roosh V Forum was also a bastion of radical anti-immigration sentiment. Never mind that Roosh V Forum members were self-described 'love tourists', essentially sex tourists, and immigrants immigrate for jobs. Then there's Rollo Tomassi, who complains about society becoming 'feminized' yet is the most passive-aggressive person I've ever come across, man or woman. (On that note, the manosphere rivals celebrity gossip for cattiness. I'm not even joking; I've read celebrity gossip.) There's also Jack Murphy, a self-styled macho man who's into cuckolding. He's not the only one; a lot of others of his ilk, such as Mike Cernovich and Jon Anthony, have admitted to being with transwomen. And Jon from Modern Life Dating preaches the importance of physical fitness but gets liposuction.
But validation seems addictive, so not all 'pickup artist' and 'manosphere' content creators are immune to it. This taught me a lesson about human nature: as long as people could find a proverbial 'room' where everyone thought like them, all other opinions - for all intents and purposes - didn't exist. This didn't appeal to me; I'd think the universe would always somehow know whether someone's right or wrong.
I knew it was time to spend less time on the internet when I became 'post-political'. What I meant by this is that, even when I agreed with someone, if I felt they were politicking I was nevertheless turned off. One example of this is this 'faux surprise' thing people do where, when they're arguing with someone, they feign surprise at their opponent not jumping through this trivial moral hoop. It's like they all read some lame self-help book about 'projecting confidence'.
The internet becoming increasingly 'engineered' and astroturfed and the men's movement petering out was my political education. I imagine this is how other hopeful, idealistic people feel when a movement fails. It's funny when people say the manosphere radicalizes men, because it had the opposite effect on me, making me see why feminists are so cautious of men.
I know what you're thinking: I drifted away from the manosphere because I never fully swallowed 'the red pill'. But that's not true; I still see how feminism fails to properly deal with 'low-status men'. It's just that I've grown out of binary thinking.
Or you might think I drifted away from it because I'm magnanimous. But that's not true; growing up, I was pretty bratty. But if you spend enough time on the internet, you will find people cringe-worthy. A lot of them are legitimately insane, as in potentially psychotic or schizophrenic. Rollo Tomassi used to get under my skin, but after Roosh V's mental breakdown, I wouldn't be surprised if Rollo has one too. He's halfway there already; his views are so intricate, they're like a schizophrenic person who 'sees' subliminal messages in newspapers.
So if you're still addicted to rage-bait, don't worry too much; you'll probably grow out of it.
Edit: formatting.
Edit 2: typo.
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Before I go further, let me precede this by telling you I'm not stupid; my judgement wasn't that bad. At the start, I thought they were mostly trolling, and when they weren't, I could still see their shortcomings. For example, long before Roosh V was a Christian, he wrote a particularly smug post about religion, even though it had nothing to do with his audience at that time. This 'I'm right, everyone else is an idiot' attitude would be a taste of things to come.
With that out of the way, starting to read manosphere websites marked the beginning of my political evolution. At first, I gravitated towards libertarianism, because it seemed like the best of both worlds. Over time, I gravitated towards conservatism, then the far right, or the 'alt-right'. In my defense, I always knew my 'shut-in' status and lack of outside influences played a huge role, but I had no other avenues with which to engage with politics.
When most people look back on their lives, they have a collection of real-life experiences that shaped them: relationships that failed, nightlife venues they frequented, parties they witnessed. When I look back on my life, I have a collection of online experiences that shaped me: parasocial relationships that failed, websites I frequented, forum threads I witnessed.
One belief the manosphere instilled in me is that the universe is governed by greed. This was because of how full of grifters the manosphere was. In the past, people who wrote about seduction were professional journalists who'd been assigned to it. But pickup artists were regular guys who'd built good sex lives and, in an effort to help other men do it, started blogs. Yet the 'grassroots' nature of this community did little to stop them from scamming men. I became 'red-pilled', alright; but on people rather than women.
An experience that shaped me was watching Margin Call, a movie about Wall Street. One quote stood out: "There are three ways to make it in this business: be first, be smart, or cheat. I don't cheat, and although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first." This made me think of the 'anti-social' nature of a lot of 'successful' people, like pickup artists. They didn't have that pedantic, Jordan Peterson-like habit of getting caught up in moral conundrums; they just acted. This was driven home by an interview I read with George Clooney, where he related an anecdote about how, when he first got rich, he gave $1 million to each of his friends who'd helped him; another rich guy had asked him why he'd do that, and Clooney had thought "Why wouldn't you do that, you schmuck?"
There were upsides to being extremely online, however. One was learning about social 'faux pas' in more depth than real life would've taught me. This is because in real life, you can only really learn about the ones in your immediate culture, but on the internet, since it centralizes information, you can learn about social 'faux pas' from all sorts of cultures. It also takes a certain kind of person to teach you social graces. I have a brother-in-law who'd tell tall tales, show off his sports car, and take me to car shows, relishing being the 'cool older guy'. But he was never a mentor; the internet had to be my mentor.
Then there were the miscellaneous beliefs the internet led me to, such as the belief that excessive research is pedantic. This is because, after consuming manosphere content for years, an integral part of which were pickup artists, few of them ever did it congruently despite it being their job. This led me to conclude that 'writing' and 'doing' are two separate things, and if I wanted to 'do', I needed to engage the 'doing' part of my brain rather than the research and 'writing' part of my brain.
Another belief I developed during my years viewing manosphere and adjacent content is that it's a lot more 'engineered' and astroturfed than we're led to believe. This was for a few reasons. One reason is how many content creators lived in Washington D.C. when they started blogging (Roosh V, Roissy, Virgle Kent, Jack Murphy) or came from military or law enforcement backgrounds (Rian Stone, The Family Alpha/Zac Small/Hunter Drew, Paul from Apex Mindset, Myron Gaines from Fresh & Fit, RealFemSapien/Aly Dee, Paul from the Come On Man podcast); another is how many have been charged with crimes then, shortly after, have become content creators or, if they're not already, have started pushing an agenda (Mike Cernovich, Tanner Guzy, Rian Stone, Andrew Tate, Alex Cortes); another is that, over time, they became increasingly affiliated with the far-right, and I, despite being the quintessential shut-in, never related to it, because most people are apolitical, and if you have any self-awareness at all, you know not to go too far down rabbit holes since you have to stay anchored to reality to have the ability to persuade people of things; another is that too many users seemed too 'on the nose' with their beliefs, so they were likely bots or paid troll farm members; and another is, when Roosh V Forum suddenly changed from a pickup forum to a Christian forum that disavowed premarital sex, how many members suddenly 'realized' they were also Christians that disavowed premarital sex.
Yet another belief I developed was that extremely online people are disproportionately 'trust fund kids'. The first piece of evidence for this is how much free time they have; I've never been able to read and watch all the things some internet users do despite having all the free time in the world. The second piece of evidence is that any time someone asks what an 'average middle class income' is, commenters tend to say six figures or above. The third piece of evidence is the amount of Reddit threads that ask things like "What's the worst gift you've ever gotten?", suggesting a 'rich kid' ungratefulness. The fourth piece of evidence is the general softness and sensitivity of people on the internet.
These things turned me off spending so much time on the internet, since I'd assumed most 'extremely online' people were like me: housebound due to illness. The tendency of able-bodied people to 'front' on the internet was something I found annoying, since they had the ability to actually build the lives they wanted. There were several examples of this.
One was a blog I read years ago called something like 'female misogynist'; supposedly written by a woman, at some point - in part due to the overly-pedantic, stereotypically 'male' tone - I realized it was probably written by a man. Another was Roosh V trying to convince people he's better than gay men, despite the fact that even conservative dads would likely rather have a gay son than a son as cringe-worthy as him. And another was a commenter called Mark Minter, who went on and on about how terrible marriage was, then married someone he knew for three days. What do these people think? "If I bitch enough on the internet, the universe will reward me somehow?"
Internet commenters can be just as bad, writing in this rushed, whispered, confessional, wide-eyed tone. See Jon Anthony Lifestyle's YouTube channel for the vibe I'm talking about. He sits there in a wife beater 'exposing' other manosphere guys; there's even one particularly tasteless video 'exposing' manosphere figures' 'ugly' significant others, thus proving pickup artists and the like are 'frauds'.
They blame their failures on some conspiracy by 'normies'. This is especially hypocritical considering a lot of them are right-wing; they deny systemic bias exists against, for example, African-Americans, but if you ask them why there aren't many conservatives in Hollywood, they say it's because people are 'scheming' against them. One upside of the pickup community is that they called people out for seeking validation rather than overcoming their failures. It gets under their skin when someone from the 'other side' is rational, because it legitimizes the 'other side'. I know this because it used to get under my skin.
Internet commenters also tend to look for the one person to validate their insanity rather than just not be insane in the first place. Jon Fitch told a story about a guy who wanted to learn MMA but didn't want to do conditioning, but Fitch told him he had to. Fitch later found out this guy had contacted a whole bunch of MMA gyms asking the same thing, looking for that one person to say "yes, you can be out of shape and still be a mixed martial artist".
It also doesn't matter to them if the views they're seeking validation for contradict their other views. Matt Forney hated fat women but is fat himself. Roosh always made fun of women being slovenly, promiscuous, validation junkies but was one himself. He also hated 'neurotic' Jews despite being like a parody of a Woody Allen character. Roosh V Forum was full of men who leveraged their developed country citizenship status into easy sex. But Roosh V Forum was also a bastion of radical anti-immigration sentiment. Never mind that Roosh V Forum members were self-described 'love tourists', essentially sex tourists, and immigrants immigrate for jobs. Then there's Rollo Tomassi, who complains about society becoming 'feminized' yet is the most passive-aggressive person I've ever come across, man or woman. (On that note, the manosphere rivals celebrity gossip for cattiness. I'm not even joking; I've read celebrity gossip.) There's also Jack Murphy, a self-styled macho man who's into cuckolding. He's not the only one; a lot of others of his ilk, such as Mike Cernovich and Jon Anthony, have admitted to being with transwomen. And Jon from Modern Life Dating preaches the importance of physical fitness but gets liposuction.
But validation seems addictive, so not all 'pickup artist' and 'manosphere' content creators are immune to it. This taught me a lesson about human nature: as long as people could find a proverbial 'room' where everyone thought like them, all other opinions - for all intents and purposes - didn't exist. This didn't appeal to me; I'd think the universe would always somehow know whether someone's right or wrong.
I knew it was time to spend less time on the internet when I became 'post-political'. What I meant by this is that, even when I agreed with someone, if I felt they were politicking I was nevertheless turned off. One example of this is this 'faux surprise' thing people do where, when they're arguing with someone, they feign surprise at their opponent not jumping through this trivial moral hoop. It's like they all read some lame self-help book about 'projecting confidence'.
The internet becoming increasingly 'engineered' and astroturfed and the men's movement petering out was my political education. I imagine this is how other hopeful, idealistic people feel when a movement fails. It's funny when people say the manosphere radicalizes men, because it had the opposite effect on me, making me see why feminists are so cautious of men.
I know what you're thinking: I drifted away from the manosphere because I never fully swallowed 'the red pill'. But that's not true; I still see how feminism fails to properly deal with 'low-status men'. It's just that I've grown out of binary thinking.
Or you might think I drifted away from it because I'm magnanimous. But that's not true; growing up, I was pretty bratty. But if you spend enough time on the internet, you will find people cringe-worthy. A lot of them are legitimately insane, as in potentially psychotic or schizophrenic. Rollo Tomassi used to get under my skin, but after Roosh V's mental breakdown, I wouldn't be surprised if Rollo has one too. He's halfway there already; his views are so intricate, they're like a schizophrenic person who 'sees' subliminal messages in newspapers.
So if you're still addicted to rage-bait, don't worry too much; you'll probably grow out of it.
Edit: formatting.
Edit 2: typo.
2024.02.26 19:41 tryingtodetox94 29m trying to free myself
This is probably the hardest thing I've ever had to admit in my entire life, but i really want to do better and cure myself of the hold pornography has on me.
When i was around 5-6yo, i was SA'd by a family member and introduced to masturbation and pornography (magazines and hardcore VHS tapes) and i was just completely captivated by it. Looking at 2 strangers have sex made me think about the depths of sexual negotiation and bodily conquest, i am romanticizing it because that's how it was in my mind, romantic and pure. Nature in it's most primal form.
As i entered my teenage years, the video club moved out and we didn't have internet yet only 20hrs of dial-up per month, that wasn't enough to curb my hunger, so i feasted my eyes on the next best thing, my mother.
My mother is truly a beautiful woman, and judging by her style she knows it. I took every single opportunity to peep on her while she showered, changed, sunbathed, and even wake up at odd hours of the night to go into her room and see if i was lucky enough to catch her nightgown slipping to the side and exposing her chest. At that point i was masterbating around 2x per day on a normal day and 4x if i was extremely aroused.
As i grew older she grew more cautious of her movements so i started using my phone's camera strategically to record her and by extent started recording my aunts, cousins, and even my grandmother. I stored all the recordings on sd cards that i hid in a dug out pocket of my mattress.
As the internet started taking off and being more accessible, i started googling my every fantasy looking for pictures and videos of everything I've ever wanted to see, clicking videos and going through all the suggested videos to see what else was recommended. At that point i would open 10, 20, 50 even 100 tabs of porn videos because i didn't want to "miss out" on the videos that were presented, at that point i would be on my laptop for hours looking for porn videos, my penis becoming erect then flaccid, then jerked back erect, then flaccid again then gripped hard to become as erect as it would come again. I would regularly miss classes at my University because i stayed up the entire night just looking thru hundreds of videos of porn and edging, only to get a painful orgasm and shoot a small, weak load of very watery cum. I was disgusted with myself but i couldn't stop.
Fast forward to now, i live with my fiance and i fake IBS to hide in the bathroom and look for videos to jerk off to when she falls asleep. This has been my routine for the past 7 years (we lived together prior to engagement) and i was almost caught a couple times because she is a light stepper and i gave to listen keenly to hear her footsteps approaching.
In January I looked myself hard in the mirror and said that i would change this year because my sex life is terrible, i can only satisfy her orally and the only porn i am interested in is "BBC Wife Cuckold" because i feel like i can only derive pleasure from the thought of watching another man fuck her, or the thought of her cheating with someone who can actually please her and make her cum.
But i really want to be that man, i really really really want to be the guy who can scoop her off her feet and give her the pleasure she deserves because she is an absolutely wonderful and sexy person.
I tried to quit and watched all the "Desexualize your life" and "Dopamine detox" vids on YouTube with Hubberman etc and it helped alot, because i went an entire week without masterbating (for context, my regular masterbation habits were 1-3x per day for the last 16yrs) and i was incredibly proud of myself, like i freaking cried on the toilet thinking about how i could do it...then i went with my fiance shopping at the mall and she went to buy bras and stuff and i accidentally (thought it was my fiances change room) walked in on a woman with a very nice chest wearing a see thru lingerie bra set...i loudly apologized and told my fiance i am going to wait in the car, then i went to the bathroom stall and jerked off thinking about her :/ that was last Wednesday and i have completed went back to my old ways of Death Grip masturbating and sleepless nights of looking at porn...
But i really want to change, and i really need help. If anyone can relate to what i said said here, please help me. Please. I want to be better and i know i can be but i am weak. Please tell me what you did to overcome your addiction, i am willing to try any and everything because I really want to live and lead a better life.
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When i was around 5-6yo, i was SA'd by a family member and introduced to masturbation and pornography (magazines and hardcore VHS tapes) and i was just completely captivated by it. Looking at 2 strangers have sex made me think about the depths of sexual negotiation and bodily conquest, i am romanticizing it because that's how it was in my mind, romantic and pure. Nature in it's most primal form.
As i entered my teenage years, the video club moved out and we didn't have internet yet only 20hrs of dial-up per month, that wasn't enough to curb my hunger, so i feasted my eyes on the next best thing, my mother.
My mother is truly a beautiful woman, and judging by her style she knows it. I took every single opportunity to peep on her while she showered, changed, sunbathed, and even wake up at odd hours of the night to go into her room and see if i was lucky enough to catch her nightgown slipping to the side and exposing her chest. At that point i was masterbating around 2x per day on a normal day and 4x if i was extremely aroused.
As i grew older she grew more cautious of her movements so i started using my phone's camera strategically to record her and by extent started recording my aunts, cousins, and even my grandmother. I stored all the recordings on sd cards that i hid in a dug out pocket of my mattress.
As the internet started taking off and being more accessible, i started googling my every fantasy looking for pictures and videos of everything I've ever wanted to see, clicking videos and going through all the suggested videos to see what else was recommended. At that point i would open 10, 20, 50 even 100 tabs of porn videos because i didn't want to "miss out" on the videos that were presented, at that point i would be on my laptop for hours looking for porn videos, my penis becoming erect then flaccid, then jerked back erect, then flaccid again then gripped hard to become as erect as it would come again. I would regularly miss classes at my University because i stayed up the entire night just looking thru hundreds of videos of porn and edging, only to get a painful orgasm and shoot a small, weak load of very watery cum. I was disgusted with myself but i couldn't stop.
Fast forward to now, i live with my fiance and i fake IBS to hide in the bathroom and look for videos to jerk off to when she falls asleep. This has been my routine for the past 7 years (we lived together prior to engagement) and i was almost caught a couple times because she is a light stepper and i gave to listen keenly to hear her footsteps approaching.
In January I looked myself hard in the mirror and said that i would change this year because my sex life is terrible, i can only satisfy her orally and the only porn i am interested in is "BBC Wife Cuckold" because i feel like i can only derive pleasure from the thought of watching another man fuck her, or the thought of her cheating with someone who can actually please her and make her cum.
But i really want to be that man, i really really really want to be the guy who can scoop her off her feet and give her the pleasure she deserves because she is an absolutely wonderful and sexy person.
I tried to quit and watched all the "Desexualize your life" and "Dopamine detox" vids on YouTube with Hubberman etc and it helped alot, because i went an entire week without masterbating (for context, my regular masterbation habits were 1-3x per day for the last 16yrs) and i was incredibly proud of myself, like i freaking cried on the toilet thinking about how i could do it...then i went with my fiance shopping at the mall and she went to buy bras and stuff and i accidentally (thought it was my fiances change room) walked in on a woman with a very nice chest wearing a see thru lingerie bra set...i loudly apologized and told my fiance i am going to wait in the car, then i went to the bathroom stall and jerked off thinking about her :/ that was last Wednesday and i have completed went back to my old ways of Death Grip masturbating and sleepless nights of looking at porn...
But i really want to change, and i really need help. If anyone can relate to what i said said here, please help me. Please. I want to be better and i know i can be but i am weak. Please tell me what you did to overcome your addiction, i am willing to try any and everything because I really want to live and lead a better life.
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2024.01.16 23:22 Mammoth-Scale- He thinks I'm jealous of his music;) the fact that he has sex with his mom is just a distraction. I love this.
 | submitted by Mammoth-Scale- to DeplorableInstinct [link] [comments] |
2023.12.21 14:35 osikalk And after all this, BH continues the "reconciliation". I'm not the OP
I'm not the OP.
Below is a post from one of the subs dedicated to "reconciliation". I wonder what can make such betrayd partners stop "reconciliation"? They do not pay attention to the regular lies, to the fact that they are cuckolds, that they were humiliated and insulted, that WP and AP brazenly mock them, that they were, are and will be a backup option, etc. It 's incredibly sad and scary ...
.........................................................................
My wife (44) and I (43) agreed to try to overcome this and part of the things I asked was the truth and nothing but the truth. The whole truth. Instead, I got trickled truth since day one:
-First it was just a friend, then it was a flirting friend, then he was sending her sexual texts and proposals, she said she never acted on those.
-When old texts surfaced, she said that yes, it was a EA but that they never got physical. He acted like he was her “boyfriend” in the sense that she got jealous when others were around him, but that she never even kiss him.
-Then, when more proof was found, it was a kiss. Then yes, three sexual encounters.
-When I asked for details about those sexual encounters, one was described as a parking lot sex. The second was in a motel just a mile away from home. The third was an unplanned parking lot encounter again.
-When I asked why, she said that she felt manipulated by a textbook narcissist, her YouTube browsing history shows a person looking to escape from a narcissist.
-Turns out, that both of them were using narcissistic tendencies against each other (love bombing and then withdrawing. Hoovering, etc) she volunteered for his kid’s birthday party and then he came home to help me move and in both cases they tried to befriend each other’s spouses.
-Remember that third “parking lot incident”? It turns out that it was a second trip to the same motel and that, because she wasn’t nervous anymore, it was more enjoyable.
She said that she ended the relationship about a month before the last DDay (November 19). Her AP says that HE ended everything in the end of September, but she was “friendly” up until DDay.
And just today I figured out that in three incidents, I confronted her about odd behavior and coming home late, then days after she would have sex with him to “end things once and for all”.
She says that everything was done so I wasn’t hurt more than I should, that that’s why she withheld details and sugarcoated others. Instead, every time he find something, it sent me back to DDay with all the trimmings.
As you can imagine, I don’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth anymore. I know that she is very remorseful and want sincerely to fix this, but I don’t know if I can anymore. I feel like R is going to fail.
My advice to anyone reading this? Be firm in asking for all the truth since day one. And for WS: don’t even think that TT will give you any points. If you’re serious about fixing things, you will have to remember EVERYTHING.
.......................................
I'm not the OP.
submitted by osikalk to CheatersConfronted [link] [comments]
Below is a post from one of the subs dedicated to "reconciliation". I wonder what can make such betrayd partners stop "reconciliation"? They do not pay attention to the regular lies, to the fact that they are cuckolds, that they were humiliated and insulted, that WP and AP brazenly mock them, that they were, are and will be a backup option, etc. It 's incredibly sad and scary ...
.........................................................................
TT is a R killer.
I’ve been considering, and still are in a way, to try R. I’ve been taking the steps since DDay because I felt the relationship was worth saving.My wife (44) and I (43) agreed to try to overcome this and part of the things I asked was the truth and nothing but the truth. The whole truth. Instead, I got trickled truth since day one:
-First it was just a friend, then it was a flirting friend, then he was sending her sexual texts and proposals, she said she never acted on those.
-When old texts surfaced, she said that yes, it was a EA but that they never got physical. He acted like he was her “boyfriend” in the sense that she got jealous when others were around him, but that she never even kiss him.
-Then, when more proof was found, it was a kiss. Then yes, three sexual encounters.
-When I asked for details about those sexual encounters, one was described as a parking lot sex. The second was in a motel just a mile away from home. The third was an unplanned parking lot encounter again.
-When I asked why, she said that she felt manipulated by a textbook narcissist, her YouTube browsing history shows a person looking to escape from a narcissist.
-Turns out, that both of them were using narcissistic tendencies against each other (love bombing and then withdrawing. Hoovering, etc) she volunteered for his kid’s birthday party and then he came home to help me move and in both cases they tried to befriend each other’s spouses.
-Remember that third “parking lot incident”? It turns out that it was a second trip to the same motel and that, because she wasn’t nervous anymore, it was more enjoyable.
She said that she ended the relationship about a month before the last DDay (November 19). Her AP says that HE ended everything in the end of September, but she was “friendly” up until DDay.
And just today I figured out that in three incidents, I confronted her about odd behavior and coming home late, then days after she would have sex with him to “end things once and for all”.
She says that everything was done so I wasn’t hurt more than I should, that that’s why she withheld details and sugarcoated others. Instead, every time he find something, it sent me back to DDay with all the trimmings.
As you can imagine, I don’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth anymore. I know that she is very remorseful and want sincerely to fix this, but I don’t know if I can anymore. I feel like R is going to fail.
My advice to anyone reading this? Be firm in asking for all the truth since day one. And for WS: don’t even think that TT will give you any points. If you’re serious about fixing things, you will have to remember EVERYTHING.
.......................................
I'm not the OP.
2023.12.21 14:32 osikalk And after all this, BH continues the "reconciliation". I'm not the OP
I'm not the OP.
Below is a post from one of the subs dedicated to "reconciliation". I wonder what can make such betrayd partners stop "reconciliation"? They do not pay attention to the regular lies, to the fact that they are cuckolds, that they were humiliated and insulted, that WP and AP brazenly mock them, that they were, are and will be a backup option, etc. It 's incredibly sad and scary ...
.........................................................................
TT is a R killer.
I’ve been considering, and still are in a way, to try R. I’ve been taking the steps since DDay because I felt the relationship was worth saving.
My wife (44) and I (43) agreed to try to overcome this and part of the things I asked was the truth and nothing but the truth. The whole truth. Instead, I got trickled truth since day one:
-First it was just a friend, then it was a flirting friend, then he was sending her sexual texts and proposals, she said she never acted on those.
-When old texts surfaced, she said that yes, it was a EA but that they never got physical. He acted like he was her “boyfriend” in the sense that she got jealous when others were around him, but that she never even kiss him.
-Then, when more proof was found, it was a kiss. Then yes, three sexual encounters.
-When I asked for details about those sexual encounters, one was described as a parking lot sex. The second was in a motel just a mile away from home. The third was an unplanned parking lot encounter again.
-When I asked why, she said that she felt manipulated by a textbook narcissist, her YouTube browsing history shows a person looking to escape from a narcissist.
-Turns out, that both of them were using narcissistic tendencies against each other (love bombing and then withdrawing. Hoovering, etc) she volunteered for his kid’s birthday party and then he came home to help me move and in both cases they tried to befriend each other’s spouses.
-Remember that third “parking lot incident”? It turns out that it was a second trip to the same motel and that, because she wasn’t nervous anymore, it was more enjoyable.
She said that she ended the relationship about a month before the last DDay (November 19). Her AP says that HE ended everything in the end of September, but she was “friendly” up until DDay.
And just today I figured out that in three incidents, I confronted her about odd behavior and coming home late, then days after she would have sex with him to “end things once and for all”.
She says that everything was done so I wasn’t hurt more than I should, that that’s why she withheld details and sugarcoated others. Instead, every time he find something, it sent me back to DDay with all the trimmings.
As you can imagine, I don’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth anymore. I know that she is very remorseful and want sincerely to fix this, but I don’t know if I can anymore. I feel like R is going to fail.
My advice to anyone reading this? Be firm in asking for all the truth since day one. And for WS: don’t even think that TT will give you any points. If you’re serious about fixing things, you will have to remember EVERYTHING.
.......................................
I'm not the OP.
submitted by osikalk to cheatingexposed [link] [comments]
Below is a post from one of the subs dedicated to "reconciliation". I wonder what can make such betrayd partners stop "reconciliation"? They do not pay attention to the regular lies, to the fact that they are cuckolds, that they were humiliated and insulted, that WP and AP brazenly mock them, that they were, are and will be a backup option, etc. It 's incredibly sad and scary ...
.........................................................................
TT is a R killer.
I’ve been considering, and still are in a way, to try R. I’ve been taking the steps since DDay because I felt the relationship was worth saving.
My wife (44) and I (43) agreed to try to overcome this and part of the things I asked was the truth and nothing but the truth. The whole truth. Instead, I got trickled truth since day one:
-First it was just a friend, then it was a flirting friend, then he was sending her sexual texts and proposals, she said she never acted on those.
-When old texts surfaced, she said that yes, it was a EA but that they never got physical. He acted like he was her “boyfriend” in the sense that she got jealous when others were around him, but that she never even kiss him.
-Then, when more proof was found, it was a kiss. Then yes, three sexual encounters.
-When I asked for details about those sexual encounters, one was described as a parking lot sex. The second was in a motel just a mile away from home. The third was an unplanned parking lot encounter again.
-When I asked why, she said that she felt manipulated by a textbook narcissist, her YouTube browsing history shows a person looking to escape from a narcissist.
-Turns out, that both of them were using narcissistic tendencies against each other (love bombing and then withdrawing. Hoovering, etc) she volunteered for his kid’s birthday party and then he came home to help me move and in both cases they tried to befriend each other’s spouses.
-Remember that third “parking lot incident”? It turns out that it was a second trip to the same motel and that, because she wasn’t nervous anymore, it was more enjoyable.
She said that she ended the relationship about a month before the last DDay (November 19). Her AP says that HE ended everything in the end of September, but she was “friendly” up until DDay.
And just today I figured out that in three incidents, I confronted her about odd behavior and coming home late, then days after she would have sex with him to “end things once and for all”.
She says that everything was done so I wasn’t hurt more than I should, that that’s why she withheld details and sugarcoated others. Instead, every time he find something, it sent me back to DDay with all the trimmings.
As you can imagine, I don’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth anymore. I know that she is very remorseful and want sincerely to fix this, but I don’t know if I can anymore. I feel like R is going to fail.
My advice to anyone reading this? Be firm in asking for all the truth since day one. And for WS: don’t even think that TT will give you any points. If you’re serious about fixing things, you will have to remember EVERYTHING.
.......................................
I'm not the OP.
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2023.10.08 05:46 Sir-Planks-Alot Second Chances Chapters 1-4
Hi guys. Thank you all for your compliments on my work! The chat thread seems like a bad place to publish. It looks like a lot of people were getting turned around the parts weren't getting published in order.
I'll post updates to Hans and Alyonna's story here. If y'all want more just say so, so I know you haven't gotten tired of it yet :D
As always, I appreciate your feedback, especially u/onescaryarmadillo for being the first prod me to write more and u/1AJ for pointing out a critical flaw in the original post that would've made things...awkward down the line.
I'm also gonna go ahead and tag the other commenters here so y'all have an easier time finding it.
Thanks again, and here's everything I wrote today.
u/chloewrites u/deloptin u/mamamaddhattress u/spiritedraccoon123
*apparently posts have a limit so I'm breaking it into blocks of chapters
Second Chances
Chapter 1
“Maybe…” the words stuck in Captain Hans Agler’s throat.
“Maybe what, Hans?” Alyonna’s voice was a little muffled since her face was buried in a shoulder that could rival a bull.
Hans ran a huge hand through Alyonna’s flame red hair. “Maybe we should just say goodbye now,” the words came slow and ponderous like drawing teeth.
Alyonna clutched him more fiercely and shifted her head sideways a little so she could breathe, “No,” was all she said.
“Alyonna, think about this. You’re going into cryo and I, I can’t.”
“So?” She mumbled, not releasing him.
“So, it’s a fifty year trip. We’re already twenty-eight,” he looked off to the side and his massive frame seemed to shrink a little. He wondered if he was doing this for himself or for her. “By the time we reach Proxima-B, you’ll still be in the prime of your life, and I’ll be an old man. Do you really want to spend the best years of your life in a strange world…caring for an old goat?”
This time Alyonna pulled away and looked defiantly up at him, her emerald eyes narrowed, “An old goat?” She repeated. Hans looked away, “An old GOAT!” Her voice went up an octave. “We’ve been together since freshman year of middle school!”
A slender hand pulled Hans face, framed by short blonde hair, back toward hers, “Oh, Hans,” she whispered, “You’ll always be that little boy who made an admirable example of a brick wall when I walked right into you.”
Hans chuckled, his light, chocolate colored eyes twinkling, “You were on your phone.”
“Oh constantly,” she said, “until I met someone who reminded me that life is interesting and beautiful and full. And–” her voice trailed off.
“And what?” Hans asked.
“And that there’s someone, right here, in front of me now, who I can always count on.” Hans started to reply, but was met with Alyonna’s lips instead.
He kissed her deeply for a long time. Neither wanted to pull away. In the end, it was Hans. He cradled her face in hands that embraced her head fully on three sides. “But–” escaped his lips.
A meaningful look from Alyonna stopped him, but only for a moment. “But I know you want to have children, and I don’t know what the radiation in space and the passage of time will do to me,” he finished quickly. He was doing everything in his power to push her away, even though he knew he couldn’t. He loved her. The girl with the hello kitty phone case who somehow managed to break her nose on his shoulder by walking into it in 5th grade. He ran a finger gingerly down the faint scar where the break had been set.
She reached up and pulled his hands down to her waist. His hands didn’t leave her body once. She didn’t care. There were hundreds of people in the room, but to them it was only they.
She wrapped her arms around his neck, tilted her head slightly to the side and smiled, “Oh my dear, sweet, steadfast, honorable, ferocious soldier,” she whispered, “don’t worry about a thing. And we will have children.”
Chapter 2
Alyonna’s eyes flickered open. She panicked for a moment when she couldn’t move her body. Then the blinking green light above her head both reminded her where she was and that this was a standard wake cycle. The ship was not in danger. They had probably just stopped at the halfway point to refuel from the dummy tanker NASA had thrown out here 35 years before in preparation for the mission.
Slowly, her feeling returned and she got her bearings. A nurse appeared by her, and helped her wrangle uncooperative limbs into a standard issue passenger jumper. The nurse then pointed her to a facility to clean up.
“Where is Hans?” She asked the nurse before leaving.
“Who?” The nurse, a young man in his mid twenties, asked.
Alyonna rolled her eyes like he was a dummy, “Captain Hans Agler,” she said, “the commander of this ship.”
“I don’t mean to frighten you ma’am. Everything on the ship is in order, but I’m afraid Captain Agler is in emergency cryogenesis. He was badly burned in an electrical fire on the bridge fifteen years ago. Firstmate Tyrone Hunter is in command.”
“Ma’am?” the nurse asked, alarmed, as Alyonna sat back down on her cryo bed, chest heaving.
The nurse took her hand to offer support and checked her eyes and pulse asking useless questions all the while, “I’m sorry ma’am. I know how distressing it must be to hear about the captain.”
“Stupid boy,” Alyonna thought, but corrected herself. He was just doing his job and following his training. Out loud she begged, “Please, take me to him.”
Peter Halberd was a bit taken aback, then replied, “I can’t do that ma’am, he’s in emergency cryo. No one but authorized medical personnel are allowed back there.”
“Take me! To him!” Alyonna was on her feet.
She barely felt the needle break her skin before slumping into unconsciousness.
When she came to, Peter was standing by her bed. But it wasn’t her cryo bed. This was the medical bay.
“Who was he to you?” Peter asked, clearly having exhausted his training and started using his brain…and empathy.
“He’s my fiance,” she whispered.
Peter took a step back and appeared lost in thought for a moment.
A voice came over the loudspeaker, “All non essential personnel and passengers are to report back to their cryo pods. Fueling is completed and the Interstellar will resume its journey toward Proxima-B in one hour.”
“You have time,” Peter whispered, undoing the straps holding her to the bed. “Follow me while they’re all distracted.”
Peter led her down a hallway emptying of medical personnel. Coming to a door at the end of the hall, he pulled on a cloak that was hanging by the doorway and wrapped Alyonna in another. He waved his badge by the keypad and tapped in a code.
It was freezing inside the emergency cryo room. Hans was laying on two pallets because one was too small for him. Tubes and nodes covered his body. Half of his body was covered in burns that glistened with healing ointments.
“He was worse fifteen years ago,” Peter whispered, “Recovery has been slow, but the doctors think he has a good chance, especially once we wake his body up and get the full medical facility set up. Please, refrain from touching him.” He squeezed her hand comfortingly then stepped back to the door to give her space.
Images flashed through Alyonna’s mind, Hans when they first met, roundish, shy, and extremely apologetic. Hans as he was when they left, a mountain in any room he walked through, his blonde hair cut short and smart, inexorably advancing toward his goal, yet gently weaving around children, stopping to pat pets, and always somewhere behind his eyes a little shy.
Choking back a sob and holding back her hair, Alyonna leaned down to Hans’ ear and whispered, “I wanted to wait till we got to Proxima-B to share this with you because I didn’t want you to be distracted thinking about me five decks below.” She paused, then said, “Hans, baby, I’m pregnant.”
She knew she couldn’t touch him. She wanted to hold his hand, but instead just poured the emotion into her voice, “Baby, please, hold on for us.”
A silly thought entered her mind and she couldn’t help breaking out in a little smile. A tear ran over her top lip striking her tongue with the bittersweet taste of salt. “And look at it like this. This way, you’ll be thirty-eight and I’ll be twenty-eight. That’s not so bad a spread. You’ll get to see your kid grow up, and teach him to master a brave new world.”
Chapter 3
Alyonna’s eyes flickered open again. It hadn’t felt like twenty-five years. This time she gave her body time to adjust before sitting up and found it a much easier task.
She shivered in the cold chamber of the spaceship and crossed her arms over her chest which was protected with nothing more than a thin cryogenic material similar to a bra. The two piece cryogenic wear for women and the one piece for men was only designed as additional cryogenic protection for exposed reproductive organs, not warmth or privacy. Apparently the logistics people could’ve made them thicker, but it would’ve been a lot more expensive for a scenario in which privacy wasn’t really a factor. The cryogenic chambers were sealed and translucent.
But now she wished for something warmer, and looked around for a nurse like before. But there was no one.
She shivered again. This time she wasn’t sure if it was from the cold.
She looked up and saw that the status lights were shining green. Maybe she was still sleeping? She bit her finger and winced in pain. Nope, definitely awake.
“Are you insane?” A gruff male voice spoke behind her.
Relieved to hear someone’s voice, Alyonna turned around and found herself face to face with a military officer. He had a lieutenant’s insignia on his lapel.
“No,” she said, “I was just making sure I was awake.” She felt vulnerable under the scrutiny of the tall skinny officer. Mostly because he was wearing a gun and giving her a look that was none too friendly for some reason she didn’t know, but also that he was a man and it would be a stretch to call what she was wearing “clothing.”
“You better be,” he said in a professional, though faintly angry tone, “We had to take special precautions with you during the trip because of your condition.”
“My condition?” Alyonna asked, perplexed, then it hit her.
“Alyonna Marian Standing,” the officer said, pulling a pair of handcuffs from his pocket, “You’re under arrest for failure to disclose a compromising medical condition and accessing a restricted area. Turn around and place your hands behind your back.”
Bewildered, Alyonna did as she was told.
“Wait!”
Alyonna recognized Peter Halberd’s voice.
“Wait, Lieutenant Smith!” Peter came running up out of breath holding a passenger jumper.
“Back off medic,” Smith ordered, “you’re lucky I don’t slap you in handcuffs too for giving her access. The tribunal took pity on you because you’re young and stupid and reported her condition immediately, but that doesn’t mean you’re out of the dog house.”
“It’s Doctor Halberd now and I was just worried about her!” Peter exclaimed. He must’ve been put in cryo soon after he finished his education because he didn’t look more than ten years older than he’d been at the dummy tanker.
“All well and good you gentle soul,” Lt Smith scoffed, pushing Peter away with his baton.
Peter took a few deep breaths to compose himself, then said in an even tone, “On a scale of one to ten, how pissed do you think the Captain will be that you paraded his fiance naked through the ship when he wakes up?”
Smith stopped in his tracks. Alyonna breathed a sigh of relief. Hans was still alive.
“His chances aren’t that good,” Smith snorted.
“I’ll make sure to tell him that when he wakes up,” Peter offered.
“Don’t make an enemy of me boy,” the large officer growled warningly.
“I’ll take my chances.”
Officer Luke Smith weighed his own chances for a moment.
Alyonna was certain the officer would brush Peter off and take the long way through the enlisted barracks for good measure.
He must’ve decided it wasn’t worth the risk, as much as his mates in the blockhouse would appreciate seeing something like that, because the handcuffs clicked open and she was dressed in a minute.
Peter walked with them as far as the blockhouse. He wasn’t taking any chances with violent men who’d been adrift in space for half a century.
The cell door clicked shut behind her. Alyonna sat on the hard bench at the back of the cell and tried to avoid the looks from her guards. She also noticed that they tended to look away or pretend to check their weapons whenever their commander walked through the room.
She remembered telling Hans this was something she was afraid of. She had just come home from working with the cryogenic development team at Space X.
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“When we land, promise you’ll come find me immediately.”
“Of course,” Hans said, “As soon as my responsibilities allow.”
“No,” Alyonna said, “immediately.”
“What makes this so urgent? You’ll be with the medical staff as soon as we land.”
“Captain Hans Agler,” she snapped.
Usually Hans made fun of her when she did that by snapping to attention but this time he turned to her and paid attention.
“We still don’t know what fifty years of cryogenesis will do to the human body. It may be that we all just wake up and feel exactly how we felt going in…”
“But you don’t think so.”
“No,” Alyonna replied, “No, I think certain sub functions still continue, just much slower. Perhaps fifty times slower. I’m mainly talking about certain types of hormonal activity, Hans. I mean, if we shut it all down, for real, how many people would we be able to revive? Maybe twenty-five percent. So we just slow it down as much as we can.”
The light of understanding lit Han’s eyes like a lightbulb flickering on…slowly, “You’re afraid everyone’s going to wake up horny like cuckolded lions.”
Alyonna giggled at that. Leave it to Hans to find humor in a serious conversation.
“Yes,” she said, still smiling a little, “I mean, just think how you get when we haven’t done the ‘boinky dance’ as you call it for a few days. Now multiply that by a hundred.”
Hans indicated his understanding by grinning, gripping her butt, and pulling her in for a kiss.
She giggled and pushed him away. Her tone grew serious again, “For the most part it won’t be a problem. Most people are good. I’m just afraid of the psychologically errant people, and the military, which, as a rule, attracts violent men and women.”
“I understand,” Hans said, slowly folding his arms around her, “I’ll wake you up before we land. They won’t tell the Captain of the Interstellar he can’t have his beloved fiance with him to see our new world for the first time from space.”
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Chapter 4
Alyonna was jolted out of her reverie by the cell door opening. She must’ve been lost in nostalgia for a while because the rest of the precinct was empty. Her belly twisted with fear.
“On your feet, prisoner,” the man on the left ordered. The other withdrew a pair of handcuffs.
Trying not to cry, Alyonna stood up.
“Turn around.”
She did so.
The one with the handcuffs pushed her against the wall and kicked the back of her leg, causing her to lose her footing for a moment. Her hands were cuffed behind her back, and she was marched out of the cell.
“Where are we going?” She asked, her voice trembling.
They didn’t answer.
Several agonizing minutes later, the soldiers opened a large door, this one, strangely for a spaceship, made of wood.
She found herself in a courtroom, and breathed a ragged sigh of relief.
The judge, a woman in her mid forties, looked at her over the top of a set of small crystal spectacles.
She shuffled some papers around then demanded, “Alyonna Marian Standing?”
“Yes, your honor,” Alyonna replied, trying not to shift too much and feeling underdressed for the second time that day.
“Alyonna Marian Standing, you stand accused of failing to disclose compromising medical information to your cryogenics team and accessing a restricted area. How do you plead?”
Alyonna’s eyes flashed. She didn’t know what kind of justice system this was, but it wasn’t the one she left Earth with. “By ‘compromising medical information’ do you mean the fact that I’m carrying a baby, possibly the very first who will be born in a new world? That I accessed an area where my fiance, the CAPTAIN of this ship was lying wounded and possibly dying? Are these what I stand accused of?”
“Yes,” the judge replied without looking up from her paperwork. She adjusted her spectacles then went on in a bored tone, “We’ll accept that as a full confession.”
“What!?” Alyonna burst out, outraged, “Where’s my lawyer! I have a right to an attorney! And a jury!”
The judge looked at Alyonna for a full thirty seconds then answered, “In the United States. If you’d like to go back there to stand trial we can put you in a shuttle. It’ll only take about two thousand years and you won’t have cryo capabilities. Honestly, it would save me some paperwork.”
Alyonna fell silent.
“No?” The judge said, “Pity.” and went back to her papers. “As you must’ve known when you failed to disclose your condition Ms Standing, the Interstellar does not have enough food or supplies for the ten thousand people it transported for more than a few weeks. That’s why it was manned only by a highly specialized skeleton crew and everyone else went into cryo. As near as we can tell, it will take a full year to get to the point where everyone can meet their complete nutritional needs every day, and that’s if we supplement foraging and farming efforts with what we already have. The cryogenic fluid would also only last until we arrived. It is depleted. Do you acknowledge that you knew this?”
Alyonna couldn’t deny it, it had been on the medical disclosure form. “No, I don’t deny it.”
“Very well, I find you guilty,” BANG, went the gavel.
“So, Ms Standing, you are found guilty and must resolve the issue. Sadly, we cannot feed you both and while we would hate to lose a valuable cryogenicist and astrobiologist we do still have laws. So, Ms. Standing, you have a choice. You or the baby.”
“I’m sorry, what?” Alyonna asked, more to gain time to wrestle the anvil pressing down on her heart, than anything else.
“You heard me, Ms. Standing, you can terminate the pregnancy now, or carry it to term and face execution yourself. Choose.”
“Now?”
“Now,” the judge answered in a nasally tone.
“I choose the baby’s life,” she whispered.
“I can’t hear you,” the judge said.
“I choose the baby’s life,” Alyonna answered.
The judge sighed and said, “Very well, get out of my courtroom.”
“You mean I’m free to go?”
“Yes. There’s nowhere for you to run to.” The judge’s face softened a little, “Captain Hans is being treated in the Red Cross facility at the base of the ship. You might try getting situated with new quarters on the surface and go see him in the morning.”
Alyonna hurried out the courtroom. Peter was waiting for her.
She gave him a hug, “Thank you for all your help, Dr Halberd.”
“Please,” he said, when she released him, “Call me Peter. What did you tell her?”
“The baby, of course.”
“Did you really mean that? You’ll go to your death just after giving birth, robbing a newborn of his or her mother?”
Alyonna looked at the floor and hugged her belly. She wished she could say the decision was selfless, but it wasn’t, “Eight months,” she answered, “this baby was conceived one month before we left, and I found out a few days before we left. That gives us 8 months to see what happens. I may miscarry, or we may generate a lot of food ahead of schedule,” she paused, “Hans could wake up,” she whispered. Then more fiercely, “and I hope you get to see that judge shit her pants when three hundred pounds of angry man child storms into her office and throws a tantrum,” the smile on her lips took the sting out of her derisive word choices.
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I'll post updates to Hans and Alyonna's story here. If y'all want more just say so, so I know you haven't gotten tired of it yet :D
As always, I appreciate your feedback, especially u/onescaryarmadillo for being the first prod me to write more and u/1AJ for pointing out a critical flaw in the original post that would've made things...awkward down the line.
I'm also gonna go ahead and tag the other commenters here so y'all have an easier time finding it.
Thanks again, and here's everything I wrote today.
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*apparently posts have a limit so I'm breaking it into blocks of chapters
Second Chances
Chapter 1
“Maybe…” the words stuck in Captain Hans Agler’s throat.
“Maybe what, Hans?” Alyonna’s voice was a little muffled since her face was buried in a shoulder that could rival a bull.
Hans ran a huge hand through Alyonna’s flame red hair. “Maybe we should just say goodbye now,” the words came slow and ponderous like drawing teeth.
Alyonna clutched him more fiercely and shifted her head sideways a little so she could breathe, “No,” was all she said.
“Alyonna, think about this. You’re going into cryo and I, I can’t.”
“So?” She mumbled, not releasing him.
“So, it’s a fifty year trip. We’re already twenty-eight,” he looked off to the side and his massive frame seemed to shrink a little. He wondered if he was doing this for himself or for her. “By the time we reach Proxima-B, you’ll still be in the prime of your life, and I’ll be an old man. Do you really want to spend the best years of your life in a strange world…caring for an old goat?”
This time Alyonna pulled away and looked defiantly up at him, her emerald eyes narrowed, “An old goat?” She repeated. Hans looked away, “An old GOAT!” Her voice went up an octave. “We’ve been together since freshman year of middle school!”
A slender hand pulled Hans face, framed by short blonde hair, back toward hers, “Oh, Hans,” she whispered, “You’ll always be that little boy who made an admirable example of a brick wall when I walked right into you.”
Hans chuckled, his light, chocolate colored eyes twinkling, “You were on your phone.”
“Oh constantly,” she said, “until I met someone who reminded me that life is interesting and beautiful and full. And–” her voice trailed off.
“And what?” Hans asked.
“And that there’s someone, right here, in front of me now, who I can always count on.” Hans started to reply, but was met with Alyonna’s lips instead.
He kissed her deeply for a long time. Neither wanted to pull away. In the end, it was Hans. He cradled her face in hands that embraced her head fully on three sides. “But–” escaped his lips.
A meaningful look from Alyonna stopped him, but only for a moment. “But I know you want to have children, and I don’t know what the radiation in space and the passage of time will do to me,” he finished quickly. He was doing everything in his power to push her away, even though he knew he couldn’t. He loved her. The girl with the hello kitty phone case who somehow managed to break her nose on his shoulder by walking into it in 5th grade. He ran a finger gingerly down the faint scar where the break had been set.
She reached up and pulled his hands down to her waist. His hands didn’t leave her body once. She didn’t care. There were hundreds of people in the room, but to them it was only they.
She wrapped her arms around his neck, tilted her head slightly to the side and smiled, “Oh my dear, sweet, steadfast, honorable, ferocious soldier,” she whispered, “don’t worry about a thing. And we will have children.”
Chapter 2
Alyonna’s eyes flickered open. She panicked for a moment when she couldn’t move her body. Then the blinking green light above her head both reminded her where she was and that this was a standard wake cycle. The ship was not in danger. They had probably just stopped at the halfway point to refuel from the dummy tanker NASA had thrown out here 35 years before in preparation for the mission.
Slowly, her feeling returned and she got her bearings. A nurse appeared by her, and helped her wrangle uncooperative limbs into a standard issue passenger jumper. The nurse then pointed her to a facility to clean up.
“Where is Hans?” She asked the nurse before leaving.
“Who?” The nurse, a young man in his mid twenties, asked.
Alyonna rolled her eyes like he was a dummy, “Captain Hans Agler,” she said, “the commander of this ship.”
“I don’t mean to frighten you ma’am. Everything on the ship is in order, but I’m afraid Captain Agler is in emergency cryogenesis. He was badly burned in an electrical fire on the bridge fifteen years ago. Firstmate Tyrone Hunter is in command.”
“Ma’am?” the nurse asked, alarmed, as Alyonna sat back down on her cryo bed, chest heaving.
The nurse took her hand to offer support and checked her eyes and pulse asking useless questions all the while, “I’m sorry ma’am. I know how distressing it must be to hear about the captain.”
“Stupid boy,” Alyonna thought, but corrected herself. He was just doing his job and following his training. Out loud she begged, “Please, take me to him.”
Peter Halberd was a bit taken aback, then replied, “I can’t do that ma’am, he’s in emergency cryo. No one but authorized medical personnel are allowed back there.”
“Take me! To him!” Alyonna was on her feet.
She barely felt the needle break her skin before slumping into unconsciousness.
When she came to, Peter was standing by her bed. But it wasn’t her cryo bed. This was the medical bay.
“Who was he to you?” Peter asked, clearly having exhausted his training and started using his brain…and empathy.
“He’s my fiance,” she whispered.
Peter took a step back and appeared lost in thought for a moment.
A voice came over the loudspeaker, “All non essential personnel and passengers are to report back to their cryo pods. Fueling is completed and the Interstellar will resume its journey toward Proxima-B in one hour.”
“You have time,” Peter whispered, undoing the straps holding her to the bed. “Follow me while they’re all distracted.”
Peter led her down a hallway emptying of medical personnel. Coming to a door at the end of the hall, he pulled on a cloak that was hanging by the doorway and wrapped Alyonna in another. He waved his badge by the keypad and tapped in a code.
It was freezing inside the emergency cryo room. Hans was laying on two pallets because one was too small for him. Tubes and nodes covered his body. Half of his body was covered in burns that glistened with healing ointments.
“He was worse fifteen years ago,” Peter whispered, “Recovery has been slow, but the doctors think he has a good chance, especially once we wake his body up and get the full medical facility set up. Please, refrain from touching him.” He squeezed her hand comfortingly then stepped back to the door to give her space.
Images flashed through Alyonna’s mind, Hans when they first met, roundish, shy, and extremely apologetic. Hans as he was when they left, a mountain in any room he walked through, his blonde hair cut short and smart, inexorably advancing toward his goal, yet gently weaving around children, stopping to pat pets, and always somewhere behind his eyes a little shy.
Choking back a sob and holding back her hair, Alyonna leaned down to Hans’ ear and whispered, “I wanted to wait till we got to Proxima-B to share this with you because I didn’t want you to be distracted thinking about me five decks below.” She paused, then said, “Hans, baby, I’m pregnant.”
She knew she couldn’t touch him. She wanted to hold his hand, but instead just poured the emotion into her voice, “Baby, please, hold on for us.”
A silly thought entered her mind and she couldn’t help breaking out in a little smile. A tear ran over her top lip striking her tongue with the bittersweet taste of salt. “And look at it like this. This way, you’ll be thirty-eight and I’ll be twenty-eight. That’s not so bad a spread. You’ll get to see your kid grow up, and teach him to master a brave new world.”
Chapter 3
Alyonna’s eyes flickered open again. It hadn’t felt like twenty-five years. This time she gave her body time to adjust before sitting up and found it a much easier task.
She shivered in the cold chamber of the spaceship and crossed her arms over her chest which was protected with nothing more than a thin cryogenic material similar to a bra. The two piece cryogenic wear for women and the one piece for men was only designed as additional cryogenic protection for exposed reproductive organs, not warmth or privacy. Apparently the logistics people could’ve made them thicker, but it would’ve been a lot more expensive for a scenario in which privacy wasn’t really a factor. The cryogenic chambers were sealed and translucent.
But now she wished for something warmer, and looked around for a nurse like before. But there was no one.
She shivered again. This time she wasn’t sure if it was from the cold.
She looked up and saw that the status lights were shining green. Maybe she was still sleeping? She bit her finger and winced in pain. Nope, definitely awake.
“Are you insane?” A gruff male voice spoke behind her.
Relieved to hear someone’s voice, Alyonna turned around and found herself face to face with a military officer. He had a lieutenant’s insignia on his lapel.
“No,” she said, “I was just making sure I was awake.” She felt vulnerable under the scrutiny of the tall skinny officer. Mostly because he was wearing a gun and giving her a look that was none too friendly for some reason she didn’t know, but also that he was a man and it would be a stretch to call what she was wearing “clothing.”
“You better be,” he said in a professional, though faintly angry tone, “We had to take special precautions with you during the trip because of your condition.”
“My condition?” Alyonna asked, perplexed, then it hit her.
“Alyonna Marian Standing,” the officer said, pulling a pair of handcuffs from his pocket, “You’re under arrest for failure to disclose a compromising medical condition and accessing a restricted area. Turn around and place your hands behind your back.”
Bewildered, Alyonna did as she was told.
“Wait!”
Alyonna recognized Peter Halberd’s voice.
“Wait, Lieutenant Smith!” Peter came running up out of breath holding a passenger jumper.
“Back off medic,” Smith ordered, “you’re lucky I don’t slap you in handcuffs too for giving her access. The tribunal took pity on you because you’re young and stupid and reported her condition immediately, but that doesn’t mean you’re out of the dog house.”
“It’s Doctor Halberd now and I was just worried about her!” Peter exclaimed. He must’ve been put in cryo soon after he finished his education because he didn’t look more than ten years older than he’d been at the dummy tanker.
“All well and good you gentle soul,” Lt Smith scoffed, pushing Peter away with his baton.
Peter took a few deep breaths to compose himself, then said in an even tone, “On a scale of one to ten, how pissed do you think the Captain will be that you paraded his fiance naked through the ship when he wakes up?”
Smith stopped in his tracks. Alyonna breathed a sigh of relief. Hans was still alive.
“His chances aren’t that good,” Smith snorted.
“I’ll make sure to tell him that when he wakes up,” Peter offered.
“Don’t make an enemy of me boy,” the large officer growled warningly.
“I’ll take my chances.”
Officer Luke Smith weighed his own chances for a moment.
Alyonna was certain the officer would brush Peter off and take the long way through the enlisted barracks for good measure.
He must’ve decided it wasn’t worth the risk, as much as his mates in the blockhouse would appreciate seeing something like that, because the handcuffs clicked open and she was dressed in a minute.
Peter walked with them as far as the blockhouse. He wasn’t taking any chances with violent men who’d been adrift in space for half a century.
The cell door clicked shut behind her. Alyonna sat on the hard bench at the back of the cell and tried to avoid the looks from her guards. She also noticed that they tended to look away or pretend to check their weapons whenever their commander walked through the room.
She remembered telling Hans this was something she was afraid of. She had just come home from working with the cryogenic development team at Space X.
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“When we land, promise you’ll come find me immediately.”
“Of course,” Hans said, “As soon as my responsibilities allow.”
“No,” Alyonna said, “immediately.”
“What makes this so urgent? You’ll be with the medical staff as soon as we land.”
“Captain Hans Agler,” she snapped.
Usually Hans made fun of her when she did that by snapping to attention but this time he turned to her and paid attention.
“We still don’t know what fifty years of cryogenesis will do to the human body. It may be that we all just wake up and feel exactly how we felt going in…”
“But you don’t think so.”
“No,” Alyonna replied, “No, I think certain sub functions still continue, just much slower. Perhaps fifty times slower. I’m mainly talking about certain types of hormonal activity, Hans. I mean, if we shut it all down, for real, how many people would we be able to revive? Maybe twenty-five percent. So we just slow it down as much as we can.”
The light of understanding lit Han’s eyes like a lightbulb flickering on…slowly, “You’re afraid everyone’s going to wake up horny like cuckolded lions.”
Alyonna giggled at that. Leave it to Hans to find humor in a serious conversation.
“Yes,” she said, still smiling a little, “I mean, just think how you get when we haven’t done the ‘boinky dance’ as you call it for a few days. Now multiply that by a hundred.”
Hans indicated his understanding by grinning, gripping her butt, and pulling her in for a kiss.
She giggled and pushed him away. Her tone grew serious again, “For the most part it won’t be a problem. Most people are good. I’m just afraid of the psychologically errant people, and the military, which, as a rule, attracts violent men and women.”
“I understand,” Hans said, slowly folding his arms around her, “I’ll wake you up before we land. They won’t tell the Captain of the Interstellar he can’t have his beloved fiance with him to see our new world for the first time from space.”
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Chapter 4
Alyonna was jolted out of her reverie by the cell door opening. She must’ve been lost in nostalgia for a while because the rest of the precinct was empty. Her belly twisted with fear.
“On your feet, prisoner,” the man on the left ordered. The other withdrew a pair of handcuffs.
Trying not to cry, Alyonna stood up.
“Turn around.”
She did so.
The one with the handcuffs pushed her against the wall and kicked the back of her leg, causing her to lose her footing for a moment. Her hands were cuffed behind her back, and she was marched out of the cell.
“Where are we going?” She asked, her voice trembling.
They didn’t answer.
Several agonizing minutes later, the soldiers opened a large door, this one, strangely for a spaceship, made of wood.
She found herself in a courtroom, and breathed a ragged sigh of relief.
The judge, a woman in her mid forties, looked at her over the top of a set of small crystal spectacles.
She shuffled some papers around then demanded, “Alyonna Marian Standing?”
“Yes, your honor,” Alyonna replied, trying not to shift too much and feeling underdressed for the second time that day.
“Alyonna Marian Standing, you stand accused of failing to disclose compromising medical information to your cryogenics team and accessing a restricted area. How do you plead?”
Alyonna’s eyes flashed. She didn’t know what kind of justice system this was, but it wasn’t the one she left Earth with. “By ‘compromising medical information’ do you mean the fact that I’m carrying a baby, possibly the very first who will be born in a new world? That I accessed an area where my fiance, the CAPTAIN of this ship was lying wounded and possibly dying? Are these what I stand accused of?”
“Yes,” the judge replied without looking up from her paperwork. She adjusted her spectacles then went on in a bored tone, “We’ll accept that as a full confession.”
“What!?” Alyonna burst out, outraged, “Where’s my lawyer! I have a right to an attorney! And a jury!”
The judge looked at Alyonna for a full thirty seconds then answered, “In the United States. If you’d like to go back there to stand trial we can put you in a shuttle. It’ll only take about two thousand years and you won’t have cryo capabilities. Honestly, it would save me some paperwork.”
Alyonna fell silent.
“No?” The judge said, “Pity.” and went back to her papers. “As you must’ve known when you failed to disclose your condition Ms Standing, the Interstellar does not have enough food or supplies for the ten thousand people it transported for more than a few weeks. That’s why it was manned only by a highly specialized skeleton crew and everyone else went into cryo. As near as we can tell, it will take a full year to get to the point where everyone can meet their complete nutritional needs every day, and that’s if we supplement foraging and farming efforts with what we already have. The cryogenic fluid would also only last until we arrived. It is depleted. Do you acknowledge that you knew this?”
Alyonna couldn’t deny it, it had been on the medical disclosure form. “No, I don’t deny it.”
“Very well, I find you guilty,” BANG, went the gavel.
“So, Ms Standing, you are found guilty and must resolve the issue. Sadly, we cannot feed you both and while we would hate to lose a valuable cryogenicist and astrobiologist we do still have laws. So, Ms. Standing, you have a choice. You or the baby.”
“I’m sorry, what?” Alyonna asked, more to gain time to wrestle the anvil pressing down on her heart, than anything else.
“You heard me, Ms. Standing, you can terminate the pregnancy now, or carry it to term and face execution yourself. Choose.”
“Now?”
“Now,” the judge answered in a nasally tone.
“I choose the baby’s life,” she whispered.
“I can’t hear you,” the judge said.
“I choose the baby’s life,” Alyonna answered.
The judge sighed and said, “Very well, get out of my courtroom.”
“You mean I’m free to go?”
“Yes. There’s nowhere for you to run to.” The judge’s face softened a little, “Captain Hans is being treated in the Red Cross facility at the base of the ship. You might try getting situated with new quarters on the surface and go see him in the morning.”
Alyonna hurried out the courtroom. Peter was waiting for her.
She gave him a hug, “Thank you for all your help, Dr Halberd.”
“Please,” he said, when she released him, “Call me Peter. What did you tell her?”
“The baby, of course.”
“Did you really mean that? You’ll go to your death just after giving birth, robbing a newborn of his or her mother?”
Alyonna looked at the floor and hugged her belly. She wished she could say the decision was selfless, but it wasn’t, “Eight months,” she answered, “this baby was conceived one month before we left, and I found out a few days before we left. That gives us 8 months to see what happens. I may miscarry, or we may generate a lot of food ahead of schedule,” she paused, “Hans could wake up,” she whispered. Then more fiercely, “and I hope you get to see that judge shit her pants when three hundred pounds of angry man child storms into her office and throws a tantrum,” the smile on her lips took the sting out of her derisive word choices.
2023.10.02 23:03 keeperofcalmsq I [36M] found evidence of my wife [35F] cheating on her computer.
Moving this to this cheating subreddit based on a few responses I got in another sub: (here are all the posts up to today)
Post 1:
My wife was out tonight after work celebrating a goodbye dinner for a coworker moving on. I put our kid to bed around 9pm and started to clean up the house. I usually hear from her if she is going to miss bedtime but she hadnt responded to any of my texts. I tried to push any anxiety I had about it out of my head and focus on housework but the more time passes, the less I could keep the anxiety away.
About 10:30 I hear a ding while coming back inside from taking out the trash. My wife works at home in a home office on the bottom floor of our three story townhouse. Normally we never look at each other's stuff but since she hasn't returned my calls or text I decided to snoop.
The ding came from her laptop that she left open on her desk and is synced with her phone. I saw the texts I had sent as well as a text from a contact titled "Sarah" that read "are you up?". I scrolled up to look at their conversation and it wasn't Sarah. I read lewd texts sent back and forth from her and the contact and then I came across a video of her sucking cock. My world melted a bit. I walked out of the room at first but then came back to it. I watched the video trying to see if I knew who the guy was but I couldn't figure it out.
The video was taken at our house from the very office I was watching it in. I scrolled up some more and read several messages about how he needs to be inside her and her responding how much she needed him as well. After a bunch more of those messages I came across a video sent to her and it was her getting fucked. His pov fucking her raw in doggy until he puts the phone down to cum.
I have been into cuckolding before but strictly as a kink to get off but mostly it's been years since I visited any subreddits around the topic. I never wanted that to be my real life, however when she came home I acted like nothing was wrong. She acted normal as could be but all I could think about was her lips wrapped around the strangers shaft.
She's been asleep for two hours next to me but I can't sleep.I finally picked up my phone and wrote this out hard as a rock.
Post 2: This may not be the most fun post to read on this sub but I just wanted to update everyone on how I'm doing and what I've been thinking.
The rollercoaster of emotions has been overwhelming. I feel like I'm going crazy with all the thoughts and feelings flooding my head the past few days. I haven't given any hint to my wife this weekend I know. I'm paralyzed on how to proceed.
I have been spending the little free time I've had (weekends are busy)on the adultery subreddit for information about divorce and how to protect myself and my parental rights. It has been a great resource for me to learn about the process and how to protect myself financially and my parental rights.
This cuckolding subreddit has been a confusing place for me. On the one hand, I'm hoping that I can salvage my marriage and come to agreement with my wife that works for both of us. But on the other hand, I'm wondering if I'm in denial that I want this and really I'm just struggling to process what is happening.
I have found comfort in talking to others on the subreddit who have been cheated on and have chosen to get into cuckolding. They have shared their experiences and have helped me try to figure out how I can make it work for me.
Some background on our relationship and sex life;
She provides very well for us financially and in turn I try not to let her lift a finger at home. I focus on meeting her needs and helping her with her work stress. She is always very appreciative and affectionate towards me. I do believe she loves me.
As far as our sex life goes, things seemed perfectly fine from the outside but we had fallen into a routine where I would focus on pleasing my wife almost every time without me getting off. I was comfortable with this because my childhood trauma around sex makes me anxious when I'm vulnerable . When she is focused on me I feel extremely vulnerable and shut down. If I just focused on her then I'm in control and okay.
In hindsight, I can see where my wife would have felt stuck in this dynamic. I'm now sure she wasn't getting any of the satisfaction of pleasing a partner because I wouldn' let her. She's always told me that she was okay with my issues and loved me anyway. Anytime I got anxious about not being able to relax, she would just minimize it and say something like "I'm getting off I'm happy"
The biggest reason I think this is our main issues is when I watched the video of her sucking his cock, She looked so happy being able to suck the cock of someone who wasn't so anxious and focused on their own orgasm. I felt relieved that someone could enjoy her talents. It looked like she was very tickled with herself with her ability to make him cum.
I really think cuckolding could work for us. It is a way for me to explore my vulnerability without feeling like the pressure is on me. But I am hesitant because I want to make sure I'm not trying to avoid the problem instead of actually solving it.
It seems like this is a win-win-lose situation. My wife is winning because she is getting her needs met, and she is keeping our marriage stable by finding a man to play with. I am winning because I don't have to worry about sex anymore. But I am losing because I still worry that I'm not as desirable to her and the anxiety of vulnerability still clouds my experience.
I'm still figuring out what I want to do and how to proceed. I plan on trying to get on her computer again tomorrow if I can.
Post 3:(today)- yes,you can be upset about something and turned on at the same time.
I'm currently sitting on what my first move will be but I'm feeling things out and will push accordingly.
The fun stuff I know people want to hear first: I definitely have picked up many more patterns and can see how she conceals her cheating.
-She takes showers and baths with her phone, watching YouTube but now I can see how she never wants to leave her phone unattended.
-I remembered about a year ago she was showing me something on her computer and in the address bar when she started typing it autofilled in "how to hide apps without deleting..." she found the webpage before I could read it fully. I asked her about it and she said she wanted to hide Instagram from herself so she didn't spend so much time on it. Very believable but now I'm not sure that was the reason. She may have a Snapchat I don't know about. It seems careless to use imessege but maybe she got wreckless?
-Late night gym sessions. She routinely can work late when out at a clients office but what is suspicious is that she use to always say she wanted to go to the gym before heading home even if it was 8 or 9 pm . She said she didn't want to bring her stress home and going for a run on the treadmill and a shower cools her off. Now I think she probably was fucking someone and covering her tracks.
-i looked up the toll tag and did my best to match up dates with what she told me she was doing. They didn't all match. One day she drove an hour away when she said she was just in the city over under 10 miles away, I have text to back it up.
-laundry, we do our own clothes but I sorted through her laundry today and found some suspicious marks and smells. I don't know if I'm imagining now but was worth noting.
-i think she has been fucking multiple people based off of these clues, toll tag locations, time etc. The guy that used her imessege I bet is someone we know or she knows on a friend level or work level. I would bet she doesn't prefer to use that method so maybe it was a client she worked with. I'm still trying to figure that out. The reason I think it's multiple guys is because Friday night I scrolled up to the top and this guy only has texts with her from the past month and the suspicious behavior has been going on over a year.
So those are some things I've put together since finding out she was cheating, I'm not particularly upset or feel disrespected, I just want to understand what she is getting that she can't get with me. If I'm honest with myself , uncovering some of the patterns of her cheating and imagining what she was doing with different people is a huge turn on. When I found out she drove an hour away , I just imagined them getting a hotel and fucking all day.
Now to address some comments.
I don't want this to be an argumentive post but I want to address some things:
1: yes cheating is a disrespectful act but why she is cheating may not mean she disrespects me. I feel it has a little to do with me and more to do with her. Human behavior is complicated and it's very rarely a black and white answer
2: I love my wife and I believe she loves me. I know we are having a major communication breakdown around sex but we both come from a conservative Christian background and sex is always difficult to talk about with each other. Would I wished she told me what she needed , yes but my best guess based on information I know is that she didn't know she wanted what she is getting with this guy until it happened. I'm not sure how they started but I'd be surprised if she knew what she was looking for before she found it. Like I said avoge, probably not the first guy, but I imagine that is how it first started.
3: I think she is protecting me. When she is unhappy about something I tend to take it personally and blame myself. I can't imagine how hard it would be to communicate to me "you don't sexually satisfy me anymore" I don't blame her for taking the easier route. I can understand why she wouldn't tell me, if it's meaningless sex and she doesn't want to hurt me but protect the relationship .Or if it happened unplanned the first time and then she couldn't stop but doesn't want a divorce.
4: knowing my wife, I think it something that just naturally started happening. She is very strong in her logic but not very emotionally aware. That isn't to say she doesn't have emotions , she has a lot, it's that she isn't the most aware or capable of communicating them. When stress builds up and needs don't get addressed she tends to blow up in anger, sadness etc then it passes. If it was sex then it may have blown up with finding a sexual release that was better than what I could provide.or easier or new , lots of reasons to seek different partners.
5 : reading her text messages didn't lead me to thinking she was in love, it was sex focused and he honestly is into her more than she seemed to be him. He text her much more than she replied.
Those are a few bullet pointed things to address that I needed to address. I do think cuckolding could work for us but we need to establish that it is safe for her to tell me how she feels around her sexual desires outside our relationship first. Then maybe we can talk about what to do with it. If we can get there I think it may be an option for us. If she tells me she doesn't love me anymore or not attracted to me then I agree I need a divorce.
TL;DR I found two videos on my wife's computer using her imessege of her having a sexual relationship with an unknown man. It turned me on but also makes me concerned and worried. I'm contemplating what to do but really want to figure out a way to stay married.
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Post 1:
My wife was out tonight after work celebrating a goodbye dinner for a coworker moving on. I put our kid to bed around 9pm and started to clean up the house. I usually hear from her if she is going to miss bedtime but she hadnt responded to any of my texts. I tried to push any anxiety I had about it out of my head and focus on housework but the more time passes, the less I could keep the anxiety away.
About 10:30 I hear a ding while coming back inside from taking out the trash. My wife works at home in a home office on the bottom floor of our three story townhouse. Normally we never look at each other's stuff but since she hasn't returned my calls or text I decided to snoop.
The ding came from her laptop that she left open on her desk and is synced with her phone. I saw the texts I had sent as well as a text from a contact titled "Sarah" that read "are you up?". I scrolled up to look at their conversation and it wasn't Sarah. I read lewd texts sent back and forth from her and the contact and then I came across a video of her sucking cock. My world melted a bit. I walked out of the room at first but then came back to it. I watched the video trying to see if I knew who the guy was but I couldn't figure it out.
The video was taken at our house from the very office I was watching it in. I scrolled up some more and read several messages about how he needs to be inside her and her responding how much she needed him as well. After a bunch more of those messages I came across a video sent to her and it was her getting fucked. His pov fucking her raw in doggy until he puts the phone down to cum.
I have been into cuckolding before but strictly as a kink to get off but mostly it's been years since I visited any subreddits around the topic. I never wanted that to be my real life, however when she came home I acted like nothing was wrong. She acted normal as could be but all I could think about was her lips wrapped around the strangers shaft.
She's been asleep for two hours next to me but I can't sleep.I finally picked up my phone and wrote this out hard as a rock.
Post 2: This may not be the most fun post to read on this sub but I just wanted to update everyone on how I'm doing and what I've been thinking.
The rollercoaster of emotions has been overwhelming. I feel like I'm going crazy with all the thoughts and feelings flooding my head the past few days. I haven't given any hint to my wife this weekend I know. I'm paralyzed on how to proceed.
I have been spending the little free time I've had (weekends are busy)on the adultery subreddit for information about divorce and how to protect myself and my parental rights. It has been a great resource for me to learn about the process and how to protect myself financially and my parental rights.
This cuckolding subreddit has been a confusing place for me. On the one hand, I'm hoping that I can salvage my marriage and come to agreement with my wife that works for both of us. But on the other hand, I'm wondering if I'm in denial that I want this and really I'm just struggling to process what is happening.
I have found comfort in talking to others on the subreddit who have been cheated on and have chosen to get into cuckolding. They have shared their experiences and have helped me try to figure out how I can make it work for me.
Some background on our relationship and sex life;
She provides very well for us financially and in turn I try not to let her lift a finger at home. I focus on meeting her needs and helping her with her work stress. She is always very appreciative and affectionate towards me. I do believe she loves me.
As far as our sex life goes, things seemed perfectly fine from the outside but we had fallen into a routine where I would focus on pleasing my wife almost every time without me getting off. I was comfortable with this because my childhood trauma around sex makes me anxious when I'm vulnerable . When she is focused on me I feel extremely vulnerable and shut down. If I just focused on her then I'm in control and okay.
In hindsight, I can see where my wife would have felt stuck in this dynamic. I'm now sure she wasn't getting any of the satisfaction of pleasing a partner because I wouldn' let her. She's always told me that she was okay with my issues and loved me anyway. Anytime I got anxious about not being able to relax, she would just minimize it and say something like "I'm getting off I'm happy"
The biggest reason I think this is our main issues is when I watched the video of her sucking his cock, She looked so happy being able to suck the cock of someone who wasn't so anxious and focused on their own orgasm. I felt relieved that someone could enjoy her talents. It looked like she was very tickled with herself with her ability to make him cum.
I really think cuckolding could work for us. It is a way for me to explore my vulnerability without feeling like the pressure is on me. But I am hesitant because I want to make sure I'm not trying to avoid the problem instead of actually solving it.
It seems like this is a win-win-lose situation. My wife is winning because she is getting her needs met, and she is keeping our marriage stable by finding a man to play with. I am winning because I don't have to worry about sex anymore. But I am losing because I still worry that I'm not as desirable to her and the anxiety of vulnerability still clouds my experience.
I'm still figuring out what I want to do and how to proceed. I plan on trying to get on her computer again tomorrow if I can.
Post 3:(today)- yes,you can be upset about something and turned on at the same time.
I'm currently sitting on what my first move will be but I'm feeling things out and will push accordingly.
The fun stuff I know people want to hear first: I definitely have picked up many more patterns and can see how she conceals her cheating.
-She takes showers and baths with her phone, watching YouTube but now I can see how she never wants to leave her phone unattended.
-I remembered about a year ago she was showing me something on her computer and in the address bar when she started typing it autofilled in "how to hide apps without deleting..." she found the webpage before I could read it fully. I asked her about it and she said she wanted to hide Instagram from herself so she didn't spend so much time on it. Very believable but now I'm not sure that was the reason. She may have a Snapchat I don't know about. It seems careless to use imessege but maybe she got wreckless?
-Late night gym sessions. She routinely can work late when out at a clients office but what is suspicious is that she use to always say she wanted to go to the gym before heading home even if it was 8 or 9 pm . She said she didn't want to bring her stress home and going for a run on the treadmill and a shower cools her off. Now I think she probably was fucking someone and covering her tracks.
-i looked up the toll tag and did my best to match up dates with what she told me she was doing. They didn't all match. One day she drove an hour away when she said she was just in the city over under 10 miles away, I have text to back it up.
-laundry, we do our own clothes but I sorted through her laundry today and found some suspicious marks and smells. I don't know if I'm imagining now but was worth noting.
-i think she has been fucking multiple people based off of these clues, toll tag locations, time etc. The guy that used her imessege I bet is someone we know or she knows on a friend level or work level. I would bet she doesn't prefer to use that method so maybe it was a client she worked with. I'm still trying to figure that out. The reason I think it's multiple guys is because Friday night I scrolled up to the top and this guy only has texts with her from the past month and the suspicious behavior has been going on over a year.
So those are some things I've put together since finding out she was cheating, I'm not particularly upset or feel disrespected, I just want to understand what she is getting that she can't get with me. If I'm honest with myself , uncovering some of the patterns of her cheating and imagining what she was doing with different people is a huge turn on. When I found out she drove an hour away , I just imagined them getting a hotel and fucking all day.
Now to address some comments.
I don't want this to be an argumentive post but I want to address some things:
1: yes cheating is a disrespectful act but why she is cheating may not mean she disrespects me. I feel it has a little to do with me and more to do with her. Human behavior is complicated and it's very rarely a black and white answer
2: I love my wife and I believe she loves me. I know we are having a major communication breakdown around sex but we both come from a conservative Christian background and sex is always difficult to talk about with each other. Would I wished she told me what she needed , yes but my best guess based on information I know is that she didn't know she wanted what she is getting with this guy until it happened. I'm not sure how they started but I'd be surprised if she knew what she was looking for before she found it. Like I said avoge, probably not the first guy, but I imagine that is how it first started.
3: I think she is protecting me. When she is unhappy about something I tend to take it personally and blame myself. I can't imagine how hard it would be to communicate to me "you don't sexually satisfy me anymore" I don't blame her for taking the easier route. I can understand why she wouldn't tell me, if it's meaningless sex and she doesn't want to hurt me but protect the relationship .Or if it happened unplanned the first time and then she couldn't stop but doesn't want a divorce.
4: knowing my wife, I think it something that just naturally started happening. She is very strong in her logic but not very emotionally aware. That isn't to say she doesn't have emotions , she has a lot, it's that she isn't the most aware or capable of communicating them. When stress builds up and needs don't get addressed she tends to blow up in anger, sadness etc then it passes. If it was sex then it may have blown up with finding a sexual release that was better than what I could provide.or easier or new , lots of reasons to seek different partners.
5 : reading her text messages didn't lead me to thinking she was in love, it was sex focused and he honestly is into her more than she seemed to be him. He text her much more than she replied.
Those are a few bullet pointed things to address that I needed to address. I do think cuckolding could work for us but we need to establish that it is safe for her to tell me how she feels around her sexual desires outside our relationship first. Then maybe we can talk about what to do with it. If we can get there I think it may be an option for us. If she tells me she doesn't love me anymore or not attracted to me then I agree I need a divorce.
TL;DR I found two videos on my wife's computer using her imessege of her having a sexual relationship with an unknown man. It turned me on but also makes me concerned and worried. I'm contemplating what to do but really want to figure out a way to stay married.
2023.09.26 09:11 LuminousRuse Feeling lost/hopeful/confused/resentful
I have been stalking this page for a couple weeks now after seeing a referral for it on a relationship problems page. I haven't commented although I've wanted to a few times, just haven't had the energy. My story is a little long but I'll try to summarize as succinctly as possible.
I am 50 and my husband is 55. We met in 2019 online playing Grand Theft Auto, introduced by a mutual friend. We started as gaming buddies and became more over the course of a couple years. Forward to now, I moved to Australia last year to marry him. Two of my kids are also here and hopefully the oldest can join in the near future. My husband and I both were single and celibate for about ten years prior to getting together.
For the first few months of our relationship things were largely great. We have so many personal jokes and get along well. The sex was not frequent enough for my preference, 2-3 times a week or so, but he does have a lot of physical pain due to injuries and previous job strain so I accepted that it might be his limit. I did make it clear to him that I was willing for much more. After a few months I went back to my home country to visit family. When I came back the frequency lessened more to just a few times per month. There were a couple times when he wasn't able to get very hard and he joked about needing viagra. We also had some stressful time over the holidays and I was greatly missing family. I brought up the topic of sex a few times and he said me asking about it just put more pressure on him and I should just let it happen naturally. However this didn't really occur much.
I had created his Google account for him, so it is linked to mine. I might mention that he's not very tech savvy even though we met through gaming. I set up the account for his phone. One day in about January or February this year I was trying to figure out how to get to Google email on the pc (which he doesn't use) because my info hadn't saved and I found all these settings including recent history. I noticed that it pulled data from both my Google accounts as well as his and I saw that he had a lot of webpage history which I found odd because he doesn't spend much time on his phone normally. I looked at his phone and found that he was checking out porn videos a couple times a week on average. I was pretty devastated. He was letting me think he needed viagra and putting guilt on me for pressuring him when he was doing this. The only consolation was that it wasn't horrifying porn, just slightly weird things like bukkake, cuckolding, dogging (which I hadn't heard of) attractive girls jogging topless etc.
We had a rather large fight about this and I felt really heart broken. I was shell shocked for a few days and it didn't fit with the person I thought he was. I went through so much to get here because he wasn't able to move to my country and he was holding back a big part of himself.
He went through the usual arguments about everyone doing it and it's been available and not a big deal. He's done it most of his life and actually hadn't been doing it much before we got married but then the stress of an actual physical relationship after so long got to him. He also was the victim of SA as a young teen. I had tried to set him up for counseling for this but he didn't follow through. I suggested counseling for us to get through this issue and he said he would not subject himself to the embarrassment of talking about it.
He cut down quite a bit after that and our physical relationship improved for the most part. Fast forward to July when I went back home again for a visit. Upon my return we had a sexual encounter in which he couldn't finish. He also was back to being a little distant and non affectionate. I straight up asked him if he used porn while I was away and he admitted that he had a couple times. I talked to him about how not being able to finish was a side effect of using it and that I was concerned that our relationship would end up sexless at some point. Another big fight ensued. He hates when I "drag things out" for hours and he was very defensive and shut down.
He eventually asked what it was going to take for me to get over this and asked if he should give up porn and I said yes. I hadn't even thought of it as an option to ask but I felt a huge sense of relief after he agreed. That was nearly two months ago. For the first month I noticed a huge difference. I felt more relaxed and we actually were intimate 3 to 5 times per week. I decided to go on his phone a couple weeks ago and leave him a topless photo of me and noticed he had photos of other girls on his phone. None of them were nude.. They were pictures he took of YouTube videos that he was watching on his console/tv. But it still hurt me to see. I had been monitoring his phone during that time and he wasn't watching or using anything else. I looked at his YouTube history and saw that it contained some videos of tik tok challenges and just in general attractive women in underwear and sexy outfits. Part of me was okay with it because our sex life hadn't been impacted but part of me wondered if it would just lead him back to porn eventually so I asked him about it and he admitted that it had been on his mind to use it the last few days. I told him I appreciated that he gave it up and it made me feel so much better and I asked him if he noticed positive changes without it and he said yes definitely. We talked about it a bit more but then he started to shut down and get angry about me "lecturing" him so I dropped it. He hasn't been looking at those videos since but now I'm on edge and feeling stressed about it. I hate feeling like a gatekeeper. Honestly I couldn't have handled a relationship like this in my younger days. I am able to work from home 3 or 4 days a week and I've been looking for other opportunities that let me stay home all the time because my days in office are miserable. He works part time so it's hard to know when he'll be there.
Looking for help I guess in coping and with this man who is willing to give it up for me so far but won't seek outside help and hates to talk about it. Considering the sacrifices I made for him I don't think I'm asking too much for him to give this up. But it's like always waiting for bad news and feeling anxious daily. 😥
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I am 50 and my husband is 55. We met in 2019 online playing Grand Theft Auto, introduced by a mutual friend. We started as gaming buddies and became more over the course of a couple years. Forward to now, I moved to Australia last year to marry him. Two of my kids are also here and hopefully the oldest can join in the near future. My husband and I both were single and celibate for about ten years prior to getting together.
For the first few months of our relationship things were largely great. We have so many personal jokes and get along well. The sex was not frequent enough for my preference, 2-3 times a week or so, but he does have a lot of physical pain due to injuries and previous job strain so I accepted that it might be his limit. I did make it clear to him that I was willing for much more. After a few months I went back to my home country to visit family. When I came back the frequency lessened more to just a few times per month. There were a couple times when he wasn't able to get very hard and he joked about needing viagra. We also had some stressful time over the holidays and I was greatly missing family. I brought up the topic of sex a few times and he said me asking about it just put more pressure on him and I should just let it happen naturally. However this didn't really occur much.
I had created his Google account for him, so it is linked to mine. I might mention that he's not very tech savvy even though we met through gaming. I set up the account for his phone. One day in about January or February this year I was trying to figure out how to get to Google email on the pc (which he doesn't use) because my info hadn't saved and I found all these settings including recent history. I noticed that it pulled data from both my Google accounts as well as his and I saw that he had a lot of webpage history which I found odd because he doesn't spend much time on his phone normally. I looked at his phone and found that he was checking out porn videos a couple times a week on average. I was pretty devastated. He was letting me think he needed viagra and putting guilt on me for pressuring him when he was doing this. The only consolation was that it wasn't horrifying porn, just slightly weird things like bukkake, cuckolding, dogging (which I hadn't heard of) attractive girls jogging topless etc.
We had a rather large fight about this and I felt really heart broken. I was shell shocked for a few days and it didn't fit with the person I thought he was. I went through so much to get here because he wasn't able to move to my country and he was holding back a big part of himself.
He went through the usual arguments about everyone doing it and it's been available and not a big deal. He's done it most of his life and actually hadn't been doing it much before we got married but then the stress of an actual physical relationship after so long got to him. He also was the victim of SA as a young teen. I had tried to set him up for counseling for this but he didn't follow through. I suggested counseling for us to get through this issue and he said he would not subject himself to the embarrassment of talking about it.
He cut down quite a bit after that and our physical relationship improved for the most part. Fast forward to July when I went back home again for a visit. Upon my return we had a sexual encounter in which he couldn't finish. He also was back to being a little distant and non affectionate. I straight up asked him if he used porn while I was away and he admitted that he had a couple times. I talked to him about how not being able to finish was a side effect of using it and that I was concerned that our relationship would end up sexless at some point. Another big fight ensued. He hates when I "drag things out" for hours and he was very defensive and shut down.
He eventually asked what it was going to take for me to get over this and asked if he should give up porn and I said yes. I hadn't even thought of it as an option to ask but I felt a huge sense of relief after he agreed. That was nearly two months ago. For the first month I noticed a huge difference. I felt more relaxed and we actually were intimate 3 to 5 times per week. I decided to go on his phone a couple weeks ago and leave him a topless photo of me and noticed he had photos of other girls on his phone. None of them were nude.. They were pictures he took of YouTube videos that he was watching on his console/tv. But it still hurt me to see. I had been monitoring his phone during that time and he wasn't watching or using anything else. I looked at his YouTube history and saw that it contained some videos of tik tok challenges and just in general attractive women in underwear and sexy outfits. Part of me was okay with it because our sex life hadn't been impacted but part of me wondered if it would just lead him back to porn eventually so I asked him about it and he admitted that it had been on his mind to use it the last few days. I told him I appreciated that he gave it up and it made me feel so much better and I asked him if he noticed positive changes without it and he said yes definitely. We talked about it a bit more but then he started to shut down and get angry about me "lecturing" him so I dropped it. He hasn't been looking at those videos since but now I'm on edge and feeling stressed about it. I hate feeling like a gatekeeper. Honestly I couldn't have handled a relationship like this in my younger days. I am able to work from home 3 or 4 days a week and I've been looking for other opportunities that let me stay home all the time because my days in office are miserable. He works part time so it's hard to know when he'll be there.
Looking for help I guess in coping and with this man who is willing to give it up for me so far but won't seek outside help and hates to talk about it. Considering the sacrifices I made for him I don't think I'm asking too much for him to give this up. But it's like always waiting for bad news and feeling anxious daily. 😥